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Tonight - are we too quick to hand out antidepressants to kids?

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Plus - tennis, Trainspotting and Attenborough on Trump -

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Hello and welcome to the first ever Timeline.

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And great to see Shereen back on the telly -

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Yes, ten years - it's good to be back.

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So tonight - on the week the whole country has gone a bit Trainspotting

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mad, we get a different view from one of the film-makers.

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We have an exclusive interview with Judy Murray who says Scotland's

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too late in capitalising on her boys' success.

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That was Inti the armadillo from Edinburgh Zoo who I got to hold

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when I went to see Sir David Attenborough.

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Sir David will be talking about the future of the planet.

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First - what will be a difficult story for many parents -

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would you want to know if your child was being prescribed

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Annette McKenzie wishes she'd been told before her 16-year-old

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daughter Britney died from an overdose last summer.

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Annette's grief is still very raw but she's taken a petition

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to the Scottish Parliament demanding a change in the law.

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She told me earlier what happened when Britney went for help.

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The day Britney went to the doctors,... Did she tell you she was

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going? No. It was three days after Father's Day. Thinking back, Britney

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was working, getting up in the morning, going to work, chatting to

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her friends. She didn't do anything out of the ordinary. Back then, in

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June, we would have been out on a family occasion for my son's ninth

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birthday and she was so happy. So fun loving. She was even being a big

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kid on the dodgems and things like that and having a good time. To me,

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it was like, whatever she was dealing with, she was doing OK and

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getting better. And then I noticed, I would say the last two weeks, her

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mood changed a lot. She didn't want to get out of bed, she didn't want

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to do the simplest task of going to the shop. She wasn't really eating.

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And I would say to her, what is wrong? And she would say nothing. I

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asked her why she wouldn't eat and she said she wasn't hungry. There

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were no signs that she was going to do what she did. None at all.

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Britney was quite vocal. A lot of people have jumped on her Facebook

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account and said, you can quite clearly see she was upset and

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feeling down. Did they not think I could see those things as well and

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that I would speak to her? I would speak to her as her mother and get

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to the bottom of whatever it was. She was having trouble online? I

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don't know, if that interpreted to her thoughts and feelings that night

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alone. When did you realise she had been taking these pills? When her

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friend came, at 3:17am and knocked on the front door. She asked me if

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Britney was OK. I was, yes, she is in bed, she is fine and she was

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like, no, she has taken an overdose. My partner, I can't remember events

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properly from that night but I can remember, I was shouting back to the

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girl, she came back into the room after me and she was saying, her own

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pills. I rang the emergency services and they asked me what Whitney had

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taken and I said I didn't know. -- Britney. I didn't understand, I

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didn't think Britney had her own pills. I didn't properly find out

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Britney had been given these pills until... I think it was when the CID

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came to see me a couple of days later. That is when I found out how

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many tablets Britney had been given for the month. At 16, she was

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legally able to make those health decisions. In the eyes of the law,

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yes. I know a lot of people think, at 16, you can move out, you can do

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certain things, and it is like, physically, I would say, maybe you

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are ready, but emotionally, it lags behind. Do you think Britney

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understood all the tablet she was taking? Not at all. The tablets

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Britney was taking, she had antibiotics twice in her life, she

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never went to the doctor, she wasn't a sickly child. No reason to take

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her to the doctor. So what they gave her, the dosage, it was high. No

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guidelines to say a child of a certain age is only allowed a

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certain dose or only allowed this tablet under the watchful eye of a

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mother or father or guardian, they are 13, they go into that doctors

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and sit in front of them and have the conversation with the doctor.

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That doctor then Dean is if you understand and are capable of

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administering and understanding your medication. I don't understand how a

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doctor can assess that in 15 minutes. This is where it Britney's

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plea comes in, you have taken a petition to the Scottish Parliament.

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What do you want to see happening? More talking about mental health.

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Not completely taking away the medication but understanding

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situations where kids do need to be medicated. Some people have

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experiences in life that they can't control and they do need medication

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for it. I think when we are just giving kids medication from the ages

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of 13, 14, 15, at those ages, there are a lot of life changes going on

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at the same time. Something you would take as an everyday event,

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they are taking at the end of the world because they are not mature

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enough to realise, I had just split up with my boyfriend or fallen out

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with my best friend, that things will get better, they just think the

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world is caving in. You can treat mental health wrongly in so many

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children for that reason. I know it has been difficult for you to talk

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about this but thank you very much. You have given parents a lot to

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think about. Let's have a look at prescribing in

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numbers. 850,000 Scots prescribed

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anti-depressants last year. 1,123 were children

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under the age of 14. Well, Dr Miles Mack

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from the Royal College Are GPs too quick to

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prescribe antidepressants? Ake or anti-anxiety drugs? Drugs

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have an important part in our treatment for mental health

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problems. I don't think that is the first line and I believe our role is

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to be there, really as the first point of call for people, the unique

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position GPs have got, is that quite often, we have known these people

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since they were quite young. We may well have an inkling as to the

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social circumstances if we're lucky enough to have built that long-term

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relationship. When they come to us, our job is to make that assessment

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and start to think about what help they need and what support.

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Sometimes, it is a helping hand, sometimes they just need help making

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some difficult decisions. That doesn't need to be a GP to do that

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but obviously, we are recognised as the first point of call.

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Is it true that GPs don't have to tell the parents,

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even if they are giving a child as young as 13 antidepressants?

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At the age of 16, in Scotland, they are treated as adults. We are very

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mindful of our responsibility for patient confidentiality. It is

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incredibly important to actually make sure people do access us. There

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is a real issue about people not getting help. Under 16, it is on a

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case-by-case basis. If we feel that patient understands their treatment

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and the implications of that treatment, we would support their

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confidentiality. That doesn't mean to say we won't encourage them to be

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in contact with their parents or other people close to them. We would

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absolutely convinced the best chance of successful outcome is if they

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have got that social support around them. When you listen to a net,

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isn't it the case that she or indeed any parent would be a better able to

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help the child if they had that information? We absolutely agree we

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want the parents involved. We want to make sure they have as many

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supports close to them. If they decide they don't want to have them

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contact, we have to respect that. Wouldn't you want to know,

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if it was your child? I am a parent and I understand what

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they are going through. It is tough, always wondering but as a parent, I

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always want to know that if they don't feel they can speak to me,

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they can go to someone who is trusted and who knows the system and

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can help navigate them through the difficulties they will have to get

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through. Thank you. If you've been affected by any

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of the issues we've been discussing and would like details

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of organisations which offer advice and support, you can go online

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to bbc.co.uk/actionline or you can call free any time to hear recorded

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information on 0800 066066. In the past hour we've heard the sad

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news that the former Labour MP Tam Dalyell has died,

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at the age of 84. He sat in the House of Commons

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from 1962 until 2005, representing Lots of tribute still coming in. He

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ended his career in Parliament as father of the House of Commons

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because he was at that point, the longest serving MP after more than

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40 years. Many tributes coming in from across the political divide.

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Jeremy Corbyn, leader of the Labour Party says, sad to hear of the death

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of my friend. Fearless in pursuit of truth, thoughts with the family.

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From the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon of the SNP, she says very

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sad to hear of the death of Tam Dalyell, a giant of Scottish

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politics. Ruth Davidson saying very sorry to hear of his death, he was

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unique, thoughtful, gracious, dignified and utterly tenacious. You

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knew him well, what was he like? He was a gentleman first and foremost,

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hugely intelligent and fiercely independent. No lengths to which he

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wouldn't go to pursue what he felt strongly about. The creation of the

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Scottish Parliament, he thought it would be a motorway without exit

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without independent Scotland. He was thought of as a thorn in the side of

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whatever government was in power. The title of his biography, The

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Importance Of Being Awkward. Tennis now, Judy Murray is the mum

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of a tennis Singles World No One She's also very vocal on how kids

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from poorer areas aren't getting the chances that her boys got

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and that more could be done to capitalise on Andy and Jamie's

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sucess.She's been speaking Andy Murray remains for now, world

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number one. His success has put Scotland on the sporting map. Much

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of that is down to the hard work of this woman, his mum, Judy. I met up

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with her just before she headed out to Melbourne and we began by talking

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about who really gets opportunities in sport. I am a private schoolboy

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and played rugby at private school. Do you think sport is a level

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playing field for every one of different income levels? Absolutely

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no chance. I also went to a private school and will always be grateful

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to my parents forgive me that opportunity because I love sport and

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I played for every school team available. It was great for me. But

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if I hadn't gone to that school, I would not have had those

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opportunities and therefore, I wouldn't have become what I became.

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It is funny because if I hadn't gone to private school,... And if you

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hadn't gone, they might not be Andy Murray, Jamie Murray, it doesn't

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feel right, does it? It does not, I think so often now, if there are not

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opportunities within the state schools and within the locality in

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which you live in, that make it easy for kids to go into a sport and

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develop at it, then it really is again up to the parents to try to

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support that love or desire of what the child wants to do. If you are in

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the east end of Glasgow for example, hosted two semifinals of the Davis

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Cup and doesn't have one public tennis court for anyone to play, so

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anyone inspired by that, isn't going to be the play and that is my point.

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You put on the big events, you get people excited, but then the

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opportunity is there. And it has to be cheaper. It has to

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be cheap and affordable. If I look at my experience with the boys, they

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played every sport under the sun when they were little, and settled

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on a couple that they liked. But anti-it was football, and tennis. I

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could never have afforded for my kids to do terrace if I had not

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played tennis myself. No chance. It is not a level playing field is it?

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No chance. No question. They have long called for more investment in

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tennis and are often back in tennis promoting the grassroots game.

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Recently sport Scotland, announced a ?15 million investment in indoor

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courts, is that enough? 50 million in itself would build about 30

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indoor courts and we could do with a whole lot more than that. It has

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been an enormous source of frustration to me because I have

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seen the opportunity that the success of the boys has presented to

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our sport and yet nobody has really grasped it and seen what we can do.

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Until Jamie starts treating. I think somebody has to do draw attention to

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it. -- Jamie starts tweeting. What was clear to me over the last year

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and a half, was when we bought Davis Cup matches to Glasgow the two

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semifinals that were at the Emirates Arena, they were sold out within

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hours and the atmosphere was incredible, and then we had and

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the's exhibition match at the Hydro which was the first thing any thing

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like that had been done in Scotland and that sold out very quickly.

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There is a huge appetite for it. For people to watch it in Scotland and

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what has worried me is seeing that nobody else is really grasping this

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opportunity to grow our sport at this boom time. Andy and Jamie may

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only play for another few years and when they stop playing, that is too

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late to start creating a legacy, you have to jump on it now. If you wait

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two or three years, when they have gone, tennis could go back to being

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largely available in this country again. Should have started nine

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years ago. Exactly. Well I don't know about the next

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generation of tennis stars but the film Trainspotting

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is reaching a new generation with the release of T2 tomorrow.

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You'll have no doubt seen shots from the premiere in Edinburgh

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at the weekend, indeed it was a star studded occasion but we've taken

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a slightly different perspective on how the movie brand continues

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to make an impact 20 years on. Filmmaker Garry Fraser was brought

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on board to work on the new movie Choose life, choose a job, choose a

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career... It is a cult classic and one of Britain's greatest ever

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films. It told the study of the capital's drug culture. In 1996 when

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the first film came out I was dealing and kicking heroine. My life

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was spiralling out of control and I was chaotic. -- dealing and taking

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heroin. The drugs and inequality destroyed communities and very

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quickly I had the realisation when I looked to my son's eyes that I had

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to turn my life around and that is what I did. I started making short

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films and enrolled in the cause of Edinburgh College. It was a new

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life, but I was always trying to tell the story of the old one. A

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full generation of people died here. My first feature film got me a BAFTA

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and attention. Irvine Welsh solid and it was him that told Danny Boyle

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that I should be involved in the Trainspotting sequel. -- Ivan Wells

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saw it. The new film looks at life after addiction. A battle that I

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know well. You are an addict. Do you think I haven't had that so many

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times. So, be addicted to something else. Like running until I feel

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sick? Yes. And it wasn't just my talent that Danny Welbeck ignite, he

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decided to cast these guys to after he came to our acting class. It was

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brilliant, Danny Boyle made us feel welcome and talk to others about

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normal stuff, like football and music, treated us like normal

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people. The addiction stuff, the way bet they put it across in the film

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is good, because it is about moving forward and channelling their energy

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into something positive and making healthy choices. I think they

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captured that well. I think it is great how they looked at addiction

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and didn't just covered the drugs, they could Facebook, food, exercise,

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addiction covers a wide range of stuff and I think Trainspotting has

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captured that. I am really looking forward to you having your position

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where you are sitting in the cinema and yous are part of the most

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anticipated film of 2017. An Edinburgh has massively changed

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since the first Trainspotting, it has a new parliament, shiny new

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trams and lots of money blowing in. But there has also been

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gentrification and working class communities pushed to the edge of

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the city. It has become more multicultural and diversity is a

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good thing. Now, I can appreciate Trainspotting was a film than what I

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did back then. What I have come to realise after all these years is

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that Trainspotting is a work of fiction made for Hollywood and not a

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documentary. You are creating something for a large audience and

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you have to do make something magical. Now I am part of that

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magic, as well. Gary Fraser and his role in

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Trainspotting two. our Timeline's available

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where ever you are. Throughout the week you'll

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find lots of our stories and on BBC Scotland news on Facebook

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so head there to join Already Judy Murray has been having

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a conversation with solitude. -- there with some of you.

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There's also a chat with Professional MasterChef

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A behind the scenes film of our studio.

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Sir David Attenborough answers the questions you wanted asked.

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I did and Sir David is worried by the news that last year the world

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There has been an increase in the world temperature and we know now

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that it was human activity that contributed very largely to that

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with the release of carbon dioxide and other gases, which greenhouse

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gases which means that the rays from the sun carrying he'd come in, but

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instead of escaping Bay of reflected back onto the earth. This was

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predicted 20, 30 years ago that this was going to happen. Some people

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said rubbish, but it was not show, that temperature has been

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increasing. Here in Scotland we might include could do with a bit

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more heat. Maybe, and it would be silly to say that such a global

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change wouldn't have effects that were both good and bad, that is

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true. You may lose things from up in the North of Scotland but you might

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get interesting butterflies coming up from your work. From that point

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of view, yes. But, that is a very special point of view. If the

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temperature of the oceans increase and the temperature of the world

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increases, there is a possibility that the ice caps, particularly in

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the North will melt. It is a triggering effect that as you rise,

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and it gets warmer, suddenly, the moment comes when instead of being

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solid it is liquid. If that happens to the ice cap in the Arctic, the

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level of the oceans of the world will rise and man has always built

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his city is close to the sea because of trade in communication, so many

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of the most important cities in the world, or in danger of being blooded

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over a long period of time unless we do something about it. -- floated

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over a long period of time. I remember that you had a famous and

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privileged conversation with Obama. Would his successor be as receptive

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to your point of view? We will have to see, I don't know enough about

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American politics to know how powerful, President Obama said a lot

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of marvellous things in support of conservation but was frustrated in

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putting them into effect because of the way that American politics were.

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He doesn't have absolute power. We will see, Quaker S specs -- we will

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see greater expats than me will be up to see how far president from

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will be up to put the statements he has made into effect. He has talked

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about taking America out of the United Nations's agreements and

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climate change. If he invited you into the White House, what would you

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say to persuade him that he does need to stick with that? I don't

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know, it doesn't seem to me that he listened a lot to some of the

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arguments that are put to him if he doesn't agree with them. Not the man

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who changes his mind recently. Theresa May is meeting him in the

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White House, should she put this high on her agenda? I hope so, but

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she will have a big agenda and I don't know how long they have the

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top. Can we successfully reverse climate change and its effect we do

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not have the US on board? It will be very much more difficult and the

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fact was that America wasn't and bought about climate change in the

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days before Obama. So, we will have deceived. I wonder when you look

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ahead to your hundred birthday, what could be the best way someone who

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spent their life exploring the natural world to celebrate that

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landmark? -- so, we will two C. To see the graph of global warming

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levelling out a little, that would be a fantastic birthday present.

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As we said earlier we'll be keeping the conversation going throughout

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the week on social media - get in touch if you've got a story

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you think we should be talking about.

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be sitting down to a Burns supper in the coming days we've put

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together a wee poem to the Bard with a few well ken't faces

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You can see the full version online, but we'll leave

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We timorous beastie, oh what... When murdering... I am truly sorry man's

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Dominion has broken nature 's social union... Which makes you startle at

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me die poor earth bound companion and fellow mortal. The best laid

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schemes of mice and men... Still, their art blessed compared with me,

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the present only touches... I.e., cast my eye and prospects. Forward

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though I had nisi, guess.

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