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On this week's Timeline, a sideways look at what's ahead

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We'll also be getting the Charlie Hebdo take on the state

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of the EU and we're joined in the studio by a seven-year-old

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Welcome to Timeline, where we'll be chatting

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to the people launching the first amputee football Scottish Cup,

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This is Donald Trump, asking you to watch Timeline on BBC Two with my

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favourite, Shereen Nanjiani and the other guy. It's not fake news. It's

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beautiful, it's going to be so good. Who's the other guy?

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We brought you the story of dancing with dementia here on Timeline.

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Now the whole world has seen it, after it went viral with over

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We'll be joined by the star of the video.

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Well, we've seen a flurry of announcements this

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week on the subject of another independence referendum.

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On Monday, the First Minister said she wanted the power

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Today, the Prime Minister said now is not the time.

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But first, we sent James Devoy to Stirling to give us his

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unique take on the timing of a second independence referendum.

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I will seek the authority of the Scottish Parliament to agree with

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the UK Government the details of a Section 30 order, the procedure that

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will enable the Scottish Parliament to legislate for an independence

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referendum. Its back on. Cue the music.

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So it appears we will be doing a referendum fandango once again. Yes,

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yes, I know what you are thinking, some of us, let's be frank, maybe

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Yes voters are jumping at the bit to it again while others would rather

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have a short, sharp, kick in the crotch. In my view, this is a once

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in a generation, perhaps a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for

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Scotland. Once in a generation is what we at but how did we end up

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IKEA? If Twitter is to be believed, and isn't, this drawing of Maggie

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Simpson is the answer... No, yes, it is Brexit's full. So what can we

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expect from IndyRef2. Good news, it is going to be a quite and sedate

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affair where we listen to both sides equally. Best time of the day, this,

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when they are all out, nice and quiet. Remember when we had to hear

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cereal? Who has to be told that? It's the most important meal of the

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day. All that time Kay Burley called a guide... EXPLETIVE. Or when we

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find that Alex Salmond had the voice of an angel and inexplicably we're

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both green fans. How are you feeling about the new trend, happy we're

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doing it again? Trent Renata not really, no. Have you had enough? How

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many referendums is enough? She should be concentrating on something

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else. I would like another vote having voted No last time. You would

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vote yes this time? Yes. I think that what has been said has been

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said and 5% was not enough but I suppose there's no real harm in

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asking again and I think the EU has made a big difference. Honestly, who

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knows any more? The question of Scotland's Constitution is not going

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anywhere soon, the Yes side will keep going until they get the answer

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they want and the No side will get the answer if they don't. Me, I'm

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going to let the good times roll because these referendums come along

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faster than Marvel movies. Are we going to see a recommend any

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time soon. We are far from a deal on that, on Monday, Nicola Sturgeon try

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to open in negotiation on having another independence referendum but

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today, Theresa May tried to close it down. You have a massive stand-off

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between the Scottish Government and the UK Government. The SNP think the

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Prime Minister's intervention could drive up support for another

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independence referendum and perhaps for independence itself. The

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Conservatives might be a bit nervous about that but they will keep their

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fingers crossed that the Prime Minister's stance will be seen as

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reasonable because she is not saying never, just not now. You have a huge

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battle for public opinion and both sides cannot win it. But it will

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keep you busy for the coming months and years, that is clear. One of the

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main reasons given for a second referendum is to protect Scotland's

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position in Europe. But what will the EU actually look

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like in two years' time? Robert McLiam Wilson is known

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as the Irishman Abroad. He lives in France and

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writes for the satirical So we know that the U:K.'s leading

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the EU but that necessarily mean that the European Union is falling

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apart? It is certainly how it seems in Europe itself, on the continent

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of Europe. People are dismayed at the departure and dismayed at how

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negotiable or impossible to see the future is but Europe is not falling

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apart any time soon. There's lots of elections this year and lots of talk

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about the rise of the far right spot in the Dutch elections, the party

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representing that point of view has failed to make a big breakthrough.

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Can we read much into that when elections in France and Germany are

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looming? I think you can read everything into it. It is a bit like

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America at the minute in the sense that Europe is going selectively and

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passionately mad but unlike the US, we are not having that intense

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romance with stupid. There's no such thing as too stupid for the

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Republican base whereas in Europe, some of that stuff plays very badly.

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I think after 40 years of everything being in favour of the liberal

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project in democracies and advanced societies, I think this is racism

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and far right thinking's great big moment and thankfully, we should be

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glad they are completely blowing it. Will that also be the case in France

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or Germany? The problem in Germany, I think, it is unlikely to go far

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right because the far right leaders there are a symptom in fact of a

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political brain drain. Politics is a very bad career choice at the

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moment, but good people don't go into it. Barack Obama was an

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outlier. I don't see a lot of people like him coming. It is no accident

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the Dutch guy was a young, green left, good-looking, charismatic

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figure. Marine Le Pen has one thing the others don't. She is not stupid.

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And that is slightly worrying. But nonetheless, the system here

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mitigate against, I think, a far right choice because there is a

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second round in which it is almost like cheating for the far right,

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they can't win if it is one-on-one but in a democracy, what you don't

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want is just as important as what you want and I think people don't

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want, can I say dumbness? Is that all right? You have said it now

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anyway. Briefly, last question, will the EU be worth being part of in a

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few years' time? I don't know. My attitude is if Scotland breaks off

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from the United Kingdom, then Northern Ireland is going to look at

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its own position very quickly. I'm from Belfast and I know that

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particularly well. And what is England going to be after that, and

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Wales? Is it going to be some kind of run, Tory, permanent future? I've

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been the EU will certainly be a better bet than England and Wales.

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-- I think. Robert, thanks for joining us.

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We brought you the story last week of dancing with dementia.

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Now it's gone global - with more than 9 million

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People forget about being who they are. They all join in. Otherwise

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we'd be sitting like this, sad, for two hours!

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So much for dancing - it got an awful lot

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Here's some of your reaction to it online.

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Vanessa Bailey says: "This is beautiful and amazing and reminds

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us that life is precious and rich at every stage".

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Lisa Pearson says: "I have Lyme Disease which affects me

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cognitively and I'm sure that starting tap classes is helping."

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Edinburgh March Riding Association says: "So very lovely.

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Well done on bringing happiness to these folk."

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We're joined now by the star of the video - Chris Wilson,

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For those very few people who have not seen it, remind us what the idea

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behind the dance classes is. The idea is to provide a facility for

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care homes and care centres, basically, bringing dance to the

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community. Specifically, what I was doing is a project called Seated

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Swing which was funded by dance base in Edinburgh and it is simply seated

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exercises which are engaging everybody in the group to basically

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improve their mood and their strength and also, kind of, some of

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their cognitive function as well hopefully. We can see how they

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absolutely loved it. Have you been amazed at the reaction you have had?

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I can't get over it. It's been incredible. Yes, I'm still trying to

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get my head around it because it's been an incredible response, which

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is brilliant, it is raising the awareness of this really simple

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thing. To the whole world, which is great. With an ageing population,

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dementia is a big and growing problem, how much an unmet demand is

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therefore this kind of thing. There's a lot of unmet demand

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because there is a huge demand. There's a lot of centres that need

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this kind of thing and hopefully in light of this video, it will raise

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that kind of awareness and the thing is, this work is going on all over

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the world. I'm not pioneering it but I'm happy to be a platform for

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people to recognise this as a Ruediger thing. Nice of you to come

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in to talk to us. Thank you and good luck with the project. Thank you

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very much. Well, that was a social

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media sensation. And remember, if you have anything

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you think should be on our Timeline, You can let us know what you want us

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to follow up through Facebook and Twitter, you can find us online,

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or you can email us. Universities are meant to be

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bastions of free speech and freedom of thought,

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but there's a growing trend now to The idea is that students should be

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shielded from offensive language - with the concept that universities

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should be safe spaces. But when do safe spaces

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become censorship? We got Glasgow University student

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Isaac Callan to make this film. It's an ever-growing issue for

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universities. Should speakers be allowed to make offensive remarks?

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Should speakers with controversial views be invited to speak in the

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first place? And to what extent should the university be a safe

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space for its students? Somewhere they are safe from offence? Take the

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example of some universities banning newspapers they disagree with, like

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the sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express. And there have been

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protests against controversial visiting speakers, like this one at

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Oxford against Marine Le Pen. Now this row has reached Scotland. I a

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student at the University of Glasgow where every three years, we elect

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someone to become the rector to represent our views on university

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Court. The current rector is famous whistle-blower Edward Snowden. 11

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people are now in the running to replace him including human rights

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lawyer Anwar Anwar, former politician Vince Cable and Milo

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Yiannopoulos. I am of course not be racist or the sexist or anything of

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that the posters... He's a right-wing commentator who is best

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known for making inflammatory and misogynist remarks. A big supporter

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of Donald Trump, a recent speech of his was cancelled after huge

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protests against him at the University of California. Thousands

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of students in Glasgow are outraged. But despite a petition to remove

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him, the student Representative Council said it would be

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undemocratic to take him off the ballot. I don't think he can really

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be our representative, given the diversity of our student population,

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it's obviously a very small number of people that support him, and even

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among the council, there are lots of different views as to what approach

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we should take, platforming, no-platforming, tolerating or not,

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that kind of thing. All we can do is try to ensure it is a smooth

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election and everyone gets a fair shot. His presence on the ballot

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could be said to go against the ethos of safe spaces. But Professor

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Tom Scotto of the University of Strathclyde says universities should

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be open to controversial views. Largely rather than engaging in a

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debate, it seems to be a race at this point to shout down the other

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side's speakers, to prevent the other side from being able to air

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their point of view. I guess the big issue facing us that Glasgow is

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whether we protest Milo and draw attention to his campaign or ignore

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him and hope he flopped at the ballot. The debate around Milo

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Yiannopoulos beads into a wider conversation about whether

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universities should be safe spaces. Whatever the result here, that

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conversation is set to continue for quite some time.

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Amputee football has taken off in other countries,

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That's about to change though, with a Scottish Cup

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Its profile here rose after this remarkable goal

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Half-time entertainment here, what a finish that is! Great half-time

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goal. That had millions of hits on the Internet.

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So far, there's only one club in Scotland - Partick Thistle.

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But we can reveal on Timeline tonight that Hearts are to become

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the country's second club, as the sport tries to expand.

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We're joined now by footballer Brian Murray, and Ashley Reid,

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who's the director of the Amputee Football

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Brian, how did you get into amputee football? I found in a Matip zine at

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a local hospital. I contacted Lee English league to see if there was

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anything in Scotland, so I can like that idea later I was invited to

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play in a cup game. Had you been good before the amputation? I lost

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my leg at ten to cancer, and before that I played football. Even after I

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lost my leg, I used to play with crutches. It was only later on, it

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stopped. You were playing amputee football for Everton? What body back

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to Scotland? We did a taster session, to bring it back to

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Scotland. We got four or five players, and now 15 or 16. It's

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grown. This is why we wanted a Scottish team. Had he got a team

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now? We launched with Partick Thistle community trusts, I could

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see there was an appetite for the sport, Brian did a taster session,

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and it's been instrumental in helping us form and amputee football

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Association Scotland. With now got a fourth team with 15 or 16 players,

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although it is played seven a side, and they're taking it over to the

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east, and hopefully after that north and south. How many clubs you need

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to get involved for the Scottish Cup? We will probably do east versus

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West for the Scottish Cup. But we need to create a league in Scotland

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akin to that in England, where a lot of premiership clubs have amputee

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football teams. Can anyone join that hasn't amputation? Yes. Other rules?

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In the Paralympics you have rules according to disability. The

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outfield players have to play in crutches, and they touch the ball

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with their good like they are penalised. It is a free kick. What

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do you get out of it? For me, confident. My confidence has grown

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since I started playing amputee football. Even to go about with just

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one leg, that's what's given to me. I love football, and the me this is

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a dream come true. Football is full of money, and there's a lot of talk

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about that now. Are the mainstream clubs and organisations willing to

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put some of it your way to help out? I hope so. Will be looking for that.

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The SFA have been supportive which is wonderful. I initially went to

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them and said I think there is an ambit of the matter appetite for

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amputee football. We worked with Partick Thistle to make that happen

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and the SFA are behind us. Their endorsement and going out to clubs

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out there who, really, a lot of the Scottish clubs have excellent

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disabilities sport going on. If we get them on board, we are winning.

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Thanks for joining us. What's next? Most of you will

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remember Gordon Aikman. He was diagnosed with Motor Neurone

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Disease three years ago, and raised hundreds of thousands,

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and inspired many more, with his Gordon died in February at the age

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of 31, but his legacy lives on - and on Monday a bill of top comics

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will take part in a benefit gig That's where I went to meet one

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of the them, Des Clarke. I met Gordon a few times and

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followed the story and they asked me to host the first one that he did a

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couple of years ago. And just seeing him and his courage was brilliant.

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I30 came backstage as well beforehand, and said to the

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comedians, you're so brave. Imagine trying to get people to laugh. We

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looked instead, I think you might have won that one. He's going out

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there and fighting an amazing fight for a great course. So that's what I

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did it. Gordon got on stage that night. He did. He tried to upstage

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all of us. He was the first act on stage to say some words to the

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audience about what the gig was about, or why they were here, why

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they wanted to see Frankie Boyle, to see him. He was great. Did some

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jokes, got off. He asked the comedians backstage how it went. He

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was used to getting support throughout everything he was doing

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and we all came out and said you were rubbish. We don't care, mate.

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Just don't take this up as a career. That's what he loved. He laughed. We

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told him how it was, and he enjoyed the company of comedians and using

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comedy to get his cause out there. It was brilliant for them. Was it

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awkward for you finding comedy out of such a serious subject? It is.

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Let's be honest. Motor neurone disease is not a comedy subject.

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That's why Gordon came up and talked about his story and his disease, it

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was great fuss. Because it was the elephant in the room kicked into

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touch. -- it was great for us. With Scottish. The best way to deal with

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negative things is to laugh. Fight against it. Gordon had such a

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positive outlook and we had a great night. And nothing will change next

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week. Fred Macauley, Kevin Bridges are on. And I'll were set. We'll be

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up there and doing the best we can to entertain the audience and give a

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tribute to Gordon. Knowing that he's sitting up there watching us,

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probably watching, and knowing where saying, it we love you but your

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rubbish comedian. Gordon was involved in the Better Together

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campaign. As a tribute to him, I'm going to dust down my Indyref

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campaign jokes. This is a sequel to the Indyref. And Donald Trump is now

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a big figure in the scene so I don't know how he'll play, Obama got

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involved in the first one. Will we get from coming out saying we will

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make Scotland great again, gripped Hadrian to build another wall. The

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people will come out. That will happen. Because of Gordon's

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political involvement, and the fact we're doing it now, Indyref two

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might get a few mentions in the night.

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That will be a good to. -- a good gig to go to.

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Seven-yeair-old Marcus Tinley is a very active youngster.

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But while most boys his age are playing sports, Marcus's

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Marcus is thought to be one of Britain's youngest winter

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climbers, having mastered how to scale peaks in crampons

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He joins us now with his Dad, Simon - welcome, both.

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Is it true that Marcus started climbing at the age of two?

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What aides were you when you started climbing? -- what age were you?

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Three. What do you like about climbing ayes I like spending time

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with my dad and going camping and I make fires with them. You make fires

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as well? You also like Trail running? What is that? You run down

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a mountain but it's really fun. Because you can do stunts. Looking

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at pictures of it now, it looks dangerous. Is it not scary? It is

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scary sometimes. He's quite a daredevil, this young man? He's got

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the confidence and a sense of balance as a young child. We've been

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able to go out and enjoy the mountains on progressively got

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longer in terms of the duration, three or four hours now six or seven

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hours. We had a lot of fun together. You get any negative reaction? What

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are you doing taking a young boy up the mountains and such? It's usually

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positive. I can't believe it sometimes. We explain it starts off

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at the gradual level and it's built up over time, and with his natural

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energy that he has, he's able to last and really enjoys it, don't

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you? Marcus, would you like to do all the mountains in Scotland? Yes.

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What's been your favourite so far? When I was on Ben Lomond in the

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snow. What did you like about that. We were on the trail, we found a

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Mars bar that sealed. My dad said shall we open it and I said yes. And

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it did with energy and we went back to the top of the hill. Just a small

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grip. -- a small bit. You're raising money and you have to be safety

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conscience. Loch Lomond Mountain Rescue filmed

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this short guide for Timeline. I've got what you need for a day's

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hill walking, go walking in Scotland. A hat, a bag, drink, food

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for the day with some extra encase you get into trouble. A set of a

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jacket. And waterproof trousers, essential to keep the wind off which

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is a real enemy in Scotland. A nice warm, insulated jacket. This is warm

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even wet, but I keep it in a waterproof bag. I bring a small

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first aid kit, an essential item is a group shelter. This is a 2-person

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one, it could be a life-saver in a bad situation. Even in summer, a

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sad, grey head torch is essential. You should also have an ability to

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navigate. I have a map and waterproof paper. In case of an

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emergency, I have a torch battery and emergency whistle.

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I must remember that advice when I go hill

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Not sure but I think we're going to stay in a bothy.

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The British one or the European one?

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