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We look at a new law on revenge porn.

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People who share sexual images of ex-partners online could be

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We'll hear from the actor David Hayman and the Scottish comic

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book artist who's brought Batman and Superman to life and is now

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We hear from two survivors of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima

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and I've been in Brussels for the EU view on Brexit.

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Plus how horses are helping traumatised soldiers.

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We've been to an Aberdeenshire charity that's galloped away

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There's a new clamp-down this week on so-called revenge porn -

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where people have intimate images shared without their consent

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via phone messaging services or online.

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Anyone who breaks the law could now face up to five years in jail.

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You might have noticed the adverts carrying that message this week.

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But will changing the law stop the problem?

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We asked Ellie Hutchinson, who's campaigned on the issue,

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to make this film on why she thinks it's so important.

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Revenge porn is on the rise. People using explicit images to shame,

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humiliate and even control victims. There are people who are living

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through that nightmare every day and as more of us share images, it's

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become difficult to work out if you did or didn't give consent to images

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being shared. As a campaigner on this, women told me it is hard to

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explain the impact these images can have, whether they have had to leave

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work or they live with fear that the images will come back to haunt them.

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The new legislation coming into force means so-called revenge porn

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is now a crime that could carry up to five years in prison. The law

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sends an important message to victims that what they have

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experienced is abuse and to perpetrators that this is serious.

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Teenagers, conduct much of their lives online and their relationships

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look very different to their parents'. But the line between

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public and private are blurred like never before, with many using social

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#3450ed -- media for fun. Tell me more about your lives online. It is

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important for young people now, it gives them an opportunity to show

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the world how they would like to be perceived and it gives them a great

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chance to shape their identity more. Things can go wrong, but it can be

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great. What can happen when things go wrong? There are cases from

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bullying and harassment and stalking and something is that relevant, a

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young person sending a private picture to somebody they're in a

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relationship with. They have a bad break up and their image gets spread

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around the school. Technology is changing the way relationships work

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and it is important we understand what consent looks like. As things

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stand, many victims won't come forward, because they're worried

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about the response they may get. This new law aims to ensure that

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police and prosecutors respond appropriately and take action. Let's

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hope our communities will do the same.

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With us now is Liz Ely from Zero Tolerance,

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a charity that works to prevent violence against women.

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And we're also joined from Newcastle by Clare McGlynn, a professor of law

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from Durham University who specialises in the legal

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regulation of pornography and was consulted about this issue

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Liz, how big a problem is this in Scotland? I think it is a big

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problem in Scotland. Is is an issue where the true scale of the problem

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is not known about, because there is so much stigma associated with

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people that are victims of this kind of crime that I think a lot of

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people don't come forward and it is something we don't talk about much.

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Do you think this law will make a difference? I think the law will

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make a difference, it is an important new law for two reasons. I

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think it is important because it sends a clear message to people who

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are likely to perpetrate these crimes and share these images

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without consent and sends a message this behaviour is not acceptable and

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something we don't want to tolerate in society. I think it is sends a

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clear message to victims what's happen to you was not your fault, it

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was a crime and there is something you do about that. So I think it

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will make a difference for that reason. How does this new law

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compare with what is in place in England and Wales and has it worked

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there? Well the law in Scotland is far better than the law in England.

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England has a lot to learn from Scotland in this regard. The

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Scottish law covers threats to distribute and that is an important

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aspect when you think about the practices in controlling

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relationships. The law in Scotland is also broader, because it covers

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the person not just who intends to cause distress directly to victim,

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but also the person who just doesn't care about causing distress and they

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too will be, will come under the law. In England, what we have found

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is that the laws are a welcome first step and we have seen people come

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forward, but we haven't seen a lot of successful prosecution. There is

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a lot for Scotland to learn from the English experience. To what extents

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does the new law apply to under 18s? It is the same law for everybody,

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but for under 18s, we have also got to remember that if they take or

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share intimate images of themselves, they're falling foul of criminal

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laws against child sexual abuse images, what sometimes people talk

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about child pornography. With all ages we have got to use the new law

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as an opportunity to educate, raise awareness and talk to young people

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about this is an issue of consent and we should not be sharing images

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without the consent of the person who is in them. Is it OK for people

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to send sbim Nate images -- intimate images to themselves? I think it is

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OK to do that. It can form part of a healthy relationship. I think we all

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share things with our intimate partners in a situation of trust and

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when we respect and care about a person, we respect their privacy and

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should be able to share things and respect that partner will respect

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our dignity. But the line between privacy and public is blurred now

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with the internet? Yes, I think we have all got our own personal lines

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on what we share and don't share on social media, but so much of our

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lives is lived out online and we share photographs of what we ate for

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dinner and what our dog's been doing. It normal to share our lives,

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and there is not necessarily harm in that. I think what's harmful is when

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people use that to have power over somebody and to shame and humiliate

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someone. I think that is the problem, the abuse of power and

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control, rather than the sharing itself. To what extent can a new law

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change the cull dhur? I think it is an important first start. The fact

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that we are having this kvrs means across -- conversation means people

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are talking about is it right or wrong to share images. But you need

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the police to take this seriously and have the resources to do so and

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encourage victims to come forward, knowing something can be done about

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it. What kind of impact does revenge porn have on the victims? There is

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all sorts of impacts this can have on the individual and on society as

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a whole. Really negative impacts in terms of mental health. The amount

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of distress it can cause to know that, those images are out there. It

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can impact on your personal and professional life. Knowing that

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somebody may Google your name and find this. There is a wider impact

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of people silencing themselves and choosing not to share things. There

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i far-reaching consequences. Thank you both very much.

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The effects of post-traumatic stress on former soldiers is well-known

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and helping people recover is a huge challenge.

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Now one charity, based in Aboyne in Aberdeenshire,

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has won a national award for its novel approach -

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by getting military veterans in the saddle and on a horse.

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I'm Emma hutch this is my husband. We are founders of HorseBack UK. We

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had friends up who had been in the military and some were struggling a

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bit. We had horses and we had a big bonfire and we sat around the fire

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and talked and one guy said, this what is people should be doing to

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help them on their recovery. That is how it started. I was injured by a

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suicide bomber just outside Kandahar. I came back through the

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recovery path way and got fit and went out. But in 2008 I stepped on

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an improvised explosive device, which talk my left leg and I lost my

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left eye, my nose, I have a facial reconstruction. We found out about

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the charity HorseBack UK and some friends said I might enjoy coming

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and trying to ride horses. At that time, I had one leg and they had

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four and maybe we could get out and about into the Highlands on a horse.

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And make a break in that clinical recovery. Many of the people we

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serve have become isolated because of physical or mental injuries or

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both. This takes away your confidence to interact with other

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people. The longer you're isolated, the less confident you are in

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talking to people. If we want to help the people we have got to give

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them a purpose beyond recovery. And what we can do is replace the

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confidence and self-esteem that is stolen from them by getting them to

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connect again with the wider world through the horse. There is no quick

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fix for post-traumatic stress and people are coming with all types of

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mental health issue. Anxiety and depression on high on the list. More

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and more we have having mental health issues, rather than physical

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issues. I don't think we realise quite what a big award ceremony it

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was and we were shocked when we saw hundreds of people there. And

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hundreds of very important people there. So it was very exciting as we

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don't get out much. Yes, to then to win it was the... The icing on the

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cake. It was very exciting. To quote Winston Churchill there is something

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about inside of a horse that is -- outside of a horse that is good for

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the inside of a man. It is a bit of mobility, a bit of adrenaline. What

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an amazing idea. I think I would like the cowboy hat as well. No! Not

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a good look on you. Now, you can't have failed to notice

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that this is the historic week when Article 50 was finally

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triggered and the Scottish Parliament voted to have another

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independence referendum - and no-one seems sure about what's

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going to happen next. I've been at the heart of Europe

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this week in search of some answers and I spoke

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to the Brussels correspondent of the Guardian, Jennifer Rankin,

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about the EU view on Brexit - Jennifer, we are leaving, how do

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people here feel about that? I think the mood is of sadness, regret, when

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people voted to leave in June, there was shock and even anger in

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Brussels. Now the overwhelming mood is of sadness, the reality has hit

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home and the UK is leaving. We have handing in your letter, what happens

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now? Now we go into a holding pattern. There will be a lot of

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toing and froing in Brussels, but we won't sit down the UK face to face

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with the rest of the EU until late May at the earliest. Maybe June. How

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long will these talks take? Under the EU treaty, there is a deadline

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and they must concluded in two years. Unless every one of the 27

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other states agrees to extend them. That looks unlikely. In two years

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whatever happens, the UK will be out. What are the big sticking

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points? That is the money. As in any divorce, money will be a huge

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problem and we have seen that's something that the UK and the rest

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of the EU have clashed over. There is the question of EU sit zens, the

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3.5 million EU citizens in the UK and the one million British citizens

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on the continent and the Irish border is something the EU want to

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settle soon. If there was another vote on Scottish independence? That

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is a good question. If Scotland did vote to leave the UK it wouldn't be

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able to maintain its EU membership and would have to reapply. But it

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wouldn't be the in the position as somebody like Serbia or Turkey.

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Having been a member of the EU for decades it would be simpler to join

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and I imagine the EU would welcome Scotland as a pewer -- powerful

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signal of confidence in the EU. The UK says I wants to keep buying and

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selling stuff with Europe and control the number of EU citizens

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coming in, can we have our waffle and eat it? The message here has

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been consistent, the UK can't have its waffle and eat it. The EU is a

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club and you have to pay to be a member and you can't get the

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benefits of being in the club when you're on the outside. Did he bring

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me back any chocolates? Did he heck. Don't you like the diamonds? Still

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time for Easter. I won't live this down!

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He's one of Scotland's greatest architects

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but Alexander Greek Thomson has often been in the shadow of another

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But with the 200th anniversary of Greek Thomson's birth,

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his profile is to get a boost this year.

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The actor David Hayman has made a film about him for the BBC.

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I spoke to him earlier - but first let's take a quick

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Wow, the scale of it! This is quite breath-taking. Open a door, walk

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down the street, this is an incredible city. And one man did

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more than anyone to transform this Victorian power house into a new

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kind of metropolis. Born 200 years ago, Alexander "Greek" Thomson

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created a bold sign that defined Glasgow's most ambitious age and

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helped turn it into the second city of the empire. David Hayman welcome.

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Most of us have heard of Charles Rennie Mackintosh, but not so many

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have heard of Alexander "Greek" Thomson. What for you is so special

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about him? I think he is on a par with Charles Rennie Mackintosh. The

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breadth of his work is extraordinary from warehouses to Villas to schools

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to public buildings, to churches, his legacy is vast and greater than

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Charles Rennie Mackintosh. What is interesting is after, he had a

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lifetime of leaving his legacy behind, creating these wonderful

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works. After he died, a bunch of friends got together to see how they

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could honour his legacy. So they came up with a skal orship -

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scholarship to take architects on foreign trip and the first to win

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was a young Charles Rennie Mackintosh. It formed hi career. He

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benefitted from him. How much has he influenced the way Glasgow looks

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now? He has had a major influence. Most of iconic buildings were

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created by Alexander "Greek" Thomson. His reputation is

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worldwide. He never left the country. He was born in Balfron a

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family of 20, he lost both his parents as a teenager and even more

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tragically lost four of his own children in an epidemic of cholera.

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But he managed to create some outstanding works of genius. His

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influence, they were Greece and aSyria and India. He didn't like the

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still of the day that was gothic. He would look at Glasgow University and

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thought it was an ugly building. The gothic nature of most of everybody

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he hated. He was breaking the mould and he was aware of his time. He was

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very clever, because he used the best of the innovative engineering

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and technological techniques that were being dropped in Glasgow when

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we were building the ships and the engines and everything that was

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needed for the British Empire. He was taking from that. I can hear

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your passion. I want to talk about your day job, you do some acting.

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Yes it has been known. It saw you in Taboo, the drama with Tom Hardy. The

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company have stapted those involved -- stated those involved will hang.

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You seem to be cornering the market in sinister man servant. Well if you

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have a face like man, you don't get the romantic leads! It was a

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wonderful six months. Tom Hardy is a speck individual and he has --

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special individual and he has great intense #2i, I have a fair amount of

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intensity myself and it was lovely to have these two heavy weights

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knocking against each over. It was a great job. You couldn't wait to get

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into work and we had interesting directors. One was Danish and one

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was Finnish. And we didn't want to whitewash it. It is down and dirty

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and dark, it is muddy. Manky is the words. It is a great words. I have

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to ask you with Article 50 and a new independence referendum, how do you

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feel about the future? I find change, any period of change

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exciting. Out of change can come something new. I know people feel we

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are living in a world of shifting sands, but out of that something

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good will come, something that will lead us into a better future. I'm

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pro-independence any way and I think it is inevitable whether it is two

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year or 20 years we will gain independence and I'm very excited by

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it. Thank you for joining us. When does the programme go out. BBC Two

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Scotland this Sunday at 10pm. Thank you.

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Nuclear weapons have been around for more than 70 years,

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but they've only ever been used twice - when America dropped atomic

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bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki before

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More than 100,000 people were killed and their use has

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We've spoken to two survivors of those attacks,

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who are on a visit to Scotland, about their experience

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I'm 82, my name I Reiko Yamada. I lived in a town two kilometres from

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ground zero. I'm the second generation of world we - word we

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give to people exposed to the nuclear bomb. I was eleven, I was in

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the school grounds in primary school. Half of the children were

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already in the countryside as part of the evacuation. So the school was

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only half full. It was very hot, very strong sunshine. The boys

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pointed to the sky and shouted there was an American plane and everyone

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stared at the plane. I saw the white smoke from the tail. I thought it

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was beautiful. Then everything disappeared. I couldn't see

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anything. I didn't know what happened. So I ran for the shelter.

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I felt this hot blast behind my back and I fell. I got to the shelter,

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and lots of people were running around me and I couldn't work out

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what happened. There was a very black cloud in the sky and then rain

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started. I was shivering, soaking wet, it was very cold. I couldn't

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walk on the the street, there was so many people. When I was little, I

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wasn't aware of being a second generation of these people, but

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there was a young couple near my house who were expoemzed to

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radiation -- exposed to radiation and tried not to have children. My

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brother was engaged, but cancelled the engagement. I thought I

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shouldn't speak about it. When I was 34 I had breast cancer and 20 years

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later I had breast cancer in another area and I'm still having treatment

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now. Just like me, a lot of the second generation worry the

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explosion might be affecting our health. I would like to believe viz

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silting other countries -- visits other countries helps raise

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awareness. I give talks about how scary nuclear weapons can be and how

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they kill people. If you look at politicians now, they never talk

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about stopping nuclear development. They never talk about throwing

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nuclear weapons away. The top people in the country won't do it. So the

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citizens must force the people at the top.

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Midori Yamada and Reiko Yamada there, talking about their

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experience of surviving the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima.

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He's an artist who's drawn for the official comics

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of superheroes including Superman, Batman and X-Men, with millions

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But from this weekend the art of Frank Quitely

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will feature not in comics - but in a museum.

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Frank's drawings will be a star attraction in his home city

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of Glasgow at Kelvingrove Art Gallery.

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Welcome to Timeline. How is it feeling to see it all up there in a

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galley? It is exciting and humbling. Have you been along to see the

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exhibition? Yes I have been in various stages of install and it's

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just looking better Eamesest each time. -- each time. All the super

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heros are there. We have a picture of superman. Yes. You didn't

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actually take your inspiration from the American comic book heroes. How

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did you get into it? My inspiration was the Dudley Watkins, who drew the

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Broons and OorWullie. You see the influences? Yes I can still see the

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influences. He was the first and still one of the most important to

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me. Never mind the Broons, you have created a female version of Oor

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Wullie, does she have a name. No people have calmed her Wilhememina.

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I was asked to do the po for Glasgow comic con. So when I started out,

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you know, like you went to a comic convention and like... No one. It

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was less than 1%. Why are there so few female cashings the. --

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characters. At first they were more aimed at boys. In Glasgow we have a

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self-published independent comic scene with a lot of female writers.

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Why is Scotland such a hot bed for comic creations? I don't know, we

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are a nation of story tellers. I'm sure that has something to do with

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it. I get the feeling if you didn't do it for a living you would do it

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any way. Yes it is like people who play guitar or five-a-side. What do

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you want people too take from the exhibition. On one hands, you can do

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what you love for a career. It doesn't always work. But that is one

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thing you could take from it. More importantly than that, it is just if

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you have something that you're passionate about and you spend your

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life doing it then keep trying to get better by your own standards. It

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is just a kind of life-enriching thing. Thank you.

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That exhibition begins at Kelvingrove Art

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