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Hello and Welcome to Tuesday in Parliament, our look at the best

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of the day in the Commons and the Lords.

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The sister of a man suspected of being a masked I.S.

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Jihadist in a propaganda video asks MPs who her family can turn

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Just in terms of what I can do to help my brother, is there anything I

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can do? We will certainly be contacting, if it is helpful to you,

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the Home Office. Peers voice fears about

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the dangers from drones. We warned about the risks from

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terrorism and aircraft and we must move on this now.

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And an MP who's battled cancer twice pleads for more support

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We need a landscape out there that allows for a personalised medicine

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that is coming down the tracks to us. Cancer will not wait for the

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regulator Nora will it wait for the patient.

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The sister of the British man thought to have appeared in a murder

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video produced by so-called 'Islamic State' has been talking

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In the video, a man with an English accent insults the Prime Minister

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before executing five men accused of spying against I.S..

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The man was thought to be Siddhartha Dhar from London.

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Also known as Abu Rumaysah, he'd fled Britain in 2014

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He'd been arrested on suspicion of encouraging terrorism,

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but then was able to travel to Syria.

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When his sister, Konika Dhar, appeared before the Home affairs

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committee, a Labour MP started the questioning.

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Is it fair to say, the sense I get from the evidence you have given,

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which in some sense is a little bit different from The Sunday Times

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article, is that you are still coming to terms with what has

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happened to you and your family? Would I be right in saying that you

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are in a bad dream in which you are unable to wake up? You have putted

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very well. People underestimate how traumatic the experiences, for the

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person and the families left behind and I think people expected me and

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everyone else to get on with it. It is harder than in practice. The

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committee is interested in the narrative of your brother,

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Siddhartha Dhar. The last time I saw him was in September 2014 and he

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seemed to me to be OK. Obviously, I was always aware that he was

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practising his Muslim religion. He kept his political movements Private

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and... He did not discuss it with you all? To be honest, I was not

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even aware he went by another name until he left. My instant reaction

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was, I do not know that person, I know my brother as the person I grew

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up with, I have never known anyone to go through this. It is important

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for other families to know what are the appropriate steps one needs to

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take in order to get their loved one back, who has the right person to

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contact and I thought I did the right thing, and I hope it is, but I

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am just a bit wary if I am making things worse. I am not trying to,

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but I miss my brother and I am trying to make him realise that none

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of this is him. Could you in your hard ever forgive him for what he

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has done in betraying the family and obviously the country that he lived

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in? I am still holding to the firm belief that what I am seen is not my

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brother. I have not have their occasion otherwise. I have said

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before that if it is, I don't... It is a difficult one. Yes it is. In

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your position, I would be as ambiguous as you are. Is he really

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my brother if he has done this? I cannot accept that he would do this.

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I cannot accept it. I want to try and explore how he is living his

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life, do you still believe him to be a good man and is -- and if he is

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supporting Daesh, he is probably engaged in beheading and raping.

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This is what Daesh doors. One woman gave evidence, there was an article,

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about a number of women who have come forward to give evidence and

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one of them said, the saddest thing are member is this little girl, 12

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years of age and they raped without mercy. These are the activities your

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brother is engaged in, do you still believe he is a good man? I think

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this is... This is a sensitive topic to talk about, my opinion will be

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biased because he is my brother. I still do not want to associate the

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two, the activities that you have just described, with my brother and

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I know that may be hard for many people to believe, but that is

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because he is my brother and as far as I am concerned, I grew up with a

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different person. Thank you for coming in. It has been a very

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important thing for you to help us, it may not do anything concerning

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your brother, but hopefully it will give the committee and understanding

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of what is that tipping point that changes as you have said, and normal

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person into someone who is involved in the kinds of activities that we

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know Daesh has been involved in and we are very grateful to you for

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coming in today. If there is any other information that you want to

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help this committee with, please do write to us and we will welcome it.

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Thank you so much. Thank you. You are welcome to stay for the rest of

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the session. OK. Can I ask a question? Of course. In terms of...

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What I can do to help my brother, is there anything I can do? Well, there

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is nothing that this committee can suggest. But we will certainly be

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contacting, if it is helpful to you, the Home Office to see what support

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is on offer for the families of those who have been left in the way

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in which you and your mother have been.

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The crisis in UK steel-making means the Northern Powerhouse is actually

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more of a 'poorhouse', the claim of Labour's Dennis Skinner,

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as the problems in the industry were raised with the Chancellor.

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The monthly round of Treasury questions came on the day

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the International Monetary Fund downgraded its forecasts

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In the Commons, the Shadow Chancellor said just eight weeks ago

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George Osborne had promised 'an economic recovery for all'.

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Can I ask him on the day that the IMF has warned about the global

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economy and called for governments to increase their investment

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spending, just as we have on the side consistently called for, while

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the Chancellor reconsider his economic plan and investment plan

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think in particular? Biker gently suggest that he might want to

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changes own economic policy since in last week he has called for the

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return of flying pickets, he says he wants to ban companies paying

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dividends and he wants to spend billions of pounds on nuclear

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missile submarines without any nuclear missiles. And today he said

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he will tour the country with the former Greek Finance Minister, to

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educate us all about economic 's, I think the one thing they have in

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common is that they have both lost their marbles! John McDonnell. If

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the Chancellor will not reconsider his plans, can he at least

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appreciate how angry families of in South Wales are this morning?

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Knowing that when the bankers bonuses were threatened, immediately

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shot across to Brussels with lawyers to defend them. He would jump into a

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helicopter for a Tory fundraiser but it has taken him four months to lift

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a finger for a steelworker to save their jobs. It does it prove he is

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the bankers Chancellor? We want a successful financial services

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industry because hundreds of thousands of people across the

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country work in it. We also want as accessible manufacturing and steel

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industry and that is why we have taken action to reduce energy costs,

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something that had not happened previously and that comes into

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effect today. That is why we are taking action to change procurement

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rules so that the British Government and others are encouraged to buy

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British Steel, again something that never happened when the Labour Party

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was in office. Does the northern powerhouse occur in Redcar, where

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the steel industry has been closed because of him allowing the Chinese

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to dump steel? Are they talking about it in Scunthorpe where they

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have lost 1000 jobs, are they talking about it in Port Talbot

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where they are going to lose a lot more jobs? The truth is they do not

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talk about the northern powerhouse in the coalfields where the Tories

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have shot the last three pits, they call it the northern house! That is

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its real name! He seems to forget that the red car works first closed

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under the Labour government that he supported. It is also the case that

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during that government which he supported from that bench there, the

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number of steel jobs lost in this country was 30,000. We are doing

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everything we can to preserve the steel jobs that remain. George

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Osborne. Labour has failed in an attempt

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to reverse a Government decision to scrap maintenance grants

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for the poorest students in England In a Labour-led debate,

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ministers were warned that not enough consideration has

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been given to the impact From this autumn, means-tested

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grants are to be switched to loans The Government has said

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the change will mean extra As students protested

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outside the Commons, the shadow universities minister

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said the end of grants would leave them with debts of more

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than 50 thousand pounds. Scrapping maintenance grants will

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leave people struggling to go to university. People here today have

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talked about consequences, people will talk about their own

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experiences, I was a student of the open university and I know the

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experience of many of the students who I'd taught was that they had

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been put off higher education at an earlier age by the cost. What we

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have seen is an increase, what we have seen is an increase in the

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number of students from disadvantaged backgrounds going to

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university. His argument does not stack up.

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Mr Marsden rejected that and attacked the way the decision

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was taken in private - accusing ministers of

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So we have brought this debate today to hold them to account. Because

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this being such a major issue that the government have refused to bring

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the changes to the floor of the house themselves but preferred to

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stick them through delegated legislation work can be debated and

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voted on by only a handful of MPs. It is a scandal in 2013 that impact

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statement that the NUS strike out of the Ministry that confirms that this

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proportionately affects black and minority ethnic students, affects

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women and affects disabled students, does not merit a proper boat and

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debate in this house. The fact that the government had proceeded with

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this considering the importance of secondary legislation without the

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proper full debate is an absolute disgrace. For families who are

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living under the constant threat of debt for whom life is a continual

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battle to survive between meagre wage packets, the decision to take

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out a loan introducing further debt is extremely difficult and often it

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is one that they just cannot take. There has been a 36% increased in

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the number of the poorest background is going to university and the fact

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that we raise the level at which you had to pay back a student loan to

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?21,000, the fact that we have reduced the amount you would be

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paying back, the fact that you do not start paying interest on it

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until you leave university and the fact it has the time

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limit on it so that it gets written off after a period of time, all

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these things are key aspects in making sure that we get people to

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university and meet their potential. He is telling the house in clear

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terms, an explicit Conservative story of hard work, opportunity and

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meritocracy. In sharp contrast to the narrative opposite... The

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minister denied the change have been sneaked in. Rather than using some

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obscure procedure as honourable members have suggested, we are

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actually following the very parliamentary processes which the

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last Labour government created for this purpose. Labour asked for a

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debate on the regulations on the 9th of December, the government tabled a

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motion which appeared on the order paper on January the 5th, referring

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these regulations to delegated Legislation committee, Labour did

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not object. This is about social cleansing and

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keeping them out of university and it is wrong. Jeremy Corbyn said in

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July he should be removed completely with grants attendant Phil. This was

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costed by Labour at ?10 billion. These policies move us backwards,

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are unsustainable and at the conservative estimate would add ?40

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million to the deficit over a five-year Parliament. We should be

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clear about this would mean. More reckless borrowing, more taxes on

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hard-working people and the reintroduction, inevitably, student

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number controls. We have listed student number controls and we will

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not allow the Labour Party to reimpose a cap on young people's

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aspirations. You're watching our round-up

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of the day in the Commons Still to come: Peers voice fears

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about the dangers from drones. Blame for the current chaotic state

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of Libya lies with the long regime of Colonel Gaddafi, not with British

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intervention in the country - that was the claim at a committee

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hearing of William Hague, Gaddafi was removed as leader

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following the deployment of the RAF in the country - along

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with other Western forces - during the time Lord Hague

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was Foreign Secretary. But after Gaddafi was overthrown,

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Libya descended into violence and instability, with the formation

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of hundreds of militant groups. Lord Hague was facing questions

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from the Foreign Affairs committee. Did we really understand what was

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happening on the ground? Did we understand the extent to which

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Islamic extremists were on the rebels' site? Why did we not pick up

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on this more? It might have helped when it came to the lamentation,

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realising you are dealing with a fragmented situation. They

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themselves to and understand the situation. Cardinal Qaddafi and his

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intelligence had no idea what was about to happen. -- temp Gaddafi.

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They had no idea which was about to hit them. Should that not have been

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a lesson to us? That's going back to the broader question. Foreign policy

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and decisions are choice between unpalatable alternatives. You are

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taking a step into the unknown, there is no military action, very

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few in history have had a certain course once they are embarked on,

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but on the other hand as we discussed when I came to the

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committee before, we had to make a decision about what to do in the

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face of the threat to the area, and the state of intention of the

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Gaddafi Government. As Doctor Fox said, one of the lessons has got to

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be focusing on clearly defined, achievable objectives, and if we are

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saying we have no idea how it is going to turn out, that does

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question the initial intervention, surely. Now, I don't think it does.

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I have placed flowers at the Memorials because in each case, the

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world that nothing when thousands of people were being slaughtered.

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Hundreds of thousands. When you add in office facing the situation, that

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is what you have to think about, are you going to let that happen again?

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Members of the House of Lords have called for stricter controls

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on drones to prevent a possible terrorist attack.

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The Labour peer and former Security Minister Lord west said

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the dangers from unmanned aerial vehicles had been raised several

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years ago before the London Olympics.

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He said capable drones were easily available from supermarkets.

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The issue was raised during Lords Question Time.

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Colin Smith asserts that there are almost weekly incidents that

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endanger air passengers because drones fly into the path

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of aeroplanes, whether deliberately or by accident.

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What assessment have the Government made of this risk?

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Do they believe that we now urgently need to update the licensing

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and training processes relating to drones?

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We are aware of the advance of the technology.

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The Government are looking urgently at the issues involved.

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It would be a mistake to rush into legislation at this stage,

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but it is important to look at all the facts.

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We initially raised the issue of drones way back

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when we were preparing for the Olympics.

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There was great difficulty getting a cross-party group set up.

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Two years ago we were warning of the real risks from

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There are now highly capable drones that can carry a substantial weight,

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which you can buy for ?2,000 from a supermarket.

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They can also do intelligence-gathering.

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This is a very real risk and we need to move on it.

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Would the Minister not admit that we must really make something

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happen as soon as possible this year?

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Indeed, I think I have outlined exactly what we are doing.

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It is important that we look at the facts first and then come

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back with a full report by September, which is not

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However, we are not being complacent about the safety issues

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Last week, the World Health Organisation declared three

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countries of West Africa to be free of Ebola.

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The outbreak of the Ebola virus is reckoned to have led

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to the deaths of some 11,000 people in Africa.

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It's also had a major impact on West African economies,

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as borders have been closed and trade has declined.

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But within a few days of the WHO announcement,

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a 22-year-old female student was found to have died from Ebola.

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Her death has served as an illustration that Ebola can

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In the Commons, a Conservative MP said the recent death

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It is fair to say that the worst predictions during the previous

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outbreak did not materialise but across West Africa, more than 11,300

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people died between 2014 and 2015. Many more died of preventable

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diseases which a bird and health care system was unable to cope with

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-- burdened. We should deal with this latest outbreak and deal with

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resilience in the health care system to deal with the disease which may

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now be endemic in the region. We may all have expected that having

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gotten over the maximum period of their outbreak that there would be

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sporadic cases that would continue to appear. That is the phase we are

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now in. Getting on top of those, as he says, is the way in which we will

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get to this resiliency and all be more confident that we won't see any

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future cases coming up. We've worked with the Government of Sierra Leone

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to work with their health systems and strengthen society including

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civil society to allow them to be prepared and we continue to stand by

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ACLU on cars as we have always made clear, there is always the potential

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for further cases and that is why a response note is made on assisting

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Sierra Leone and isolating new cases of Ebola before they spread.

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I am a Member of the House with a Sierra Leonean mother,

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so will the Secretary of State assure the House,

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my family and the wider Sierra Leonean diaspora that support

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for Sierra Leone will continue until local facilities are able

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to withstand further health difficulties such as this?

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Will she also assure the House that our future economic

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and diplomatic relationship with Sierra Leone will not be

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defined by this darkest period in the history of such

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We have to learn the lessons, however.

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On many occasions, I had deep reservations about the effectiveness

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This is a time to reflect on whether the WHO is

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If it is not, the UK should try to do something about it.

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The Conservative MP Jo Churchill, who's fought cancer twice,

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has again pleaded for a secure future for the Cancer Drugs Fund,

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which pays for non-NHS approved drugs that can improve the quality

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The ?200 million-a-year fund was set up six years ago

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to help patients who've being denied life-extending drugs,

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because of decisions taken by the drugs approval body, Nice.

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But set up as a stop-gap measure, the fund's future is uncertain.

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MPs have been debating the CDF in Westminster Hall.

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In the world of pharmaceuticals and, more importantly, genomics,

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We need a space where we can trial medicines for use not only in big

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cohorts, but for rarer cancers and diseases.

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We need a landscape that will allow for the personalised medicine

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that is coming down the tracks to us.

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I have been diagnosed with cancer and pre-cancerous

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That is why I challenge the Minister on behalf of other cancer patients

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and my constituents in need, to ensure that the CDF delivers

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reforms that will improve patient access to effective cancer medicine.

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There are many who believe that, wherever they live and whatever

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their age, cancer patients - and there many different types

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of cancers - should be able to access clinically effective,

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evidence-based treatments in a fair, consistent, timely and transparent

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Clearly, when the average survival rate is between two and six months,

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even an extra two months' survival gain represents a relatively large

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amount of time for patients to spend with their loved ones,

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and the value of that was indicated earlier.

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After Nice have said no, NHS England have the funds to buy drugs that

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Nice have said no to, and there is a commitment to an assessment funds to

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look at these drugs that are coming into the stream earlier in the

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Do join me for our next daily round-up.

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Until then, from me, Keith Macdougall, goodbye.

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