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Hello and Welcome to Tuesdax in Parliament, our look at the best

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of the day in the Commons and the Lords.

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The Government is to "take stock" before going ahead with a sdcond

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stage of the inquiry into press regulation.

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In effect, she is today announcing a consultation

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on whether the cover-up shotld be covered up.

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Are the public hood-winked by claims and counter claims in referdndums?

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You're misleading them with an atrocious lie.

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The vote was about improving the quality of our democracx...

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And the moment a peer who h`ils from north of the border gave

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Would it be appropriate to say to these people...

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The Government is to hold a 10-week consultation exercise beford

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deciding if part two of the Leveson Inquiry

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into the regulation of the British press should go ahead.

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Part one of the inquiry by Lord Justice Leveson studied

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the culture and ethics of newspapers.

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to probe deeper into wrong-doing in the press and police.

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The Culture Secretary Karen Bradley also announced that the Govdrnment

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will consult on whether to hmplement legislation which would force

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newspapers to pay all of thd costs of libel or privacy actions brought

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against them, even if they win the case.

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First she talked about what had been achieved in Part 1 of

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Part one made numerous recommendations, all of which are

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being addressed by the police, her Majesty's Inspectorate of

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Constabulary, the Independent Police Complaints Commission, and the

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College of Policing, where they relate to them.

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Given the extent of these criminal investigations, the

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implementations of the recommendations from part one of the

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of part one, which is ?43.7 million and ?5.4

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Government is considering whether undertaking part two

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We are keen to take stock and seek the views of the

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public and interested partids, not least those who have bedn

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We are determined that a balance is struck between press

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freedom and the freedom of the individual.

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Those who are treated improperly must have redress.

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Likewise, politicians must not seek to muzzle

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the press or prevent it doing legitimate work,

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And the police must take seriously its role

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in protecting not only its reputation, but also those

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This is the balance we wish to strike and this

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consultation is the most appropriate and fairest way of doing so.

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I commend this statement to the House.

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At least I'm grateful to the Secretary of State for giving

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me an advance copy of her statement one hour ago.

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947 days after all parties reached an agreement to

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implement the recommendations of the inquiry in full.

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In effect she is today annotncing a consultation on whether

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And it is my view that the dvents of the past five years make Levenson

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Let's remind ourselves of the parents of Milly Dowler and the

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What is their view of these proposals?

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Do they think it passes the Prime Minister's test?

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Are we protecting the peopld who have been caught up

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I also believe in a free prdss and also a responsible press.

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Would she not agree one of the virtues of the

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inquiry is it took the whold issue, this whole contentious

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issue out of the hands of

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politics and by going with this consultation to which she whll

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respond she is in danger of embroiling a political issud again

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and low-cost arbitration has to be part of the solution?

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Does the Secretary of State understand the difficulties

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local newspapers face and recognises the majority of the

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press, especially the regional press in Scotland,

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was not involved in the sort of practice which prompted

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It is important that we must balance respect for freedom of the press and

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the public desire for high standards, accuracy

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In considering how best to proceed would she take

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account of the significant deterioration in the economhc

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health of traditional media, which has taken place even

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since Levenson and is still leading to the closure

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of titles both national and local level?

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Will she bear in mind the

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scope of legislation and regulation altogether?

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Do the right thing on behalf of the victims,

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that this House at the Housd of Lords have already passed and do

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What I said is we are going to consult.

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It is a ten week consultation, it is

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The Home Secretary Amber Rudd has been accused of protecting

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the legacy of Margaret Thatcher by rejecting an inquiry

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into policing at the Orgreave cokeworks in South Yorkshird,

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during the year-long miners' strike in 1984.

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The charge, from Labour's Ddnnis Skinner, came during an acrhmonious

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urgent question on the issud in the House of Commons.

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Campaigners for a public inpuiry into the so-called Battle

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- and they'll seek a judici`l review of the decision.

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Ultimately, there were no ddaths or wrongful convictions.

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In addition, the police landscape and

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the wider criminal justice system have changed fundamentally

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With significant changes in the oversight of policing at every

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level, including major reforms to criminal procedure, changes to

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public order policing practhce, stronger scrutiny

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The minister attended a positive meeting with

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We were left with a clear impression it

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was not just whether there would be an enquiry,

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was not just whether there would be an enquiry, it was what forl

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Indeed, the next day the Tiles reported on the front page

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Whitehall sources saying that there would be an enquhry.

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Did the Home Secretary or her advisors authorise

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In retrospect does the Minister now concede it was utterly

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cruel to give those campaigners false hope in that way?

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Yesterday we were hit with a bombshell but today,

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we dust ourselves down and we give notice to this government...

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Angry exchange followed all were blame lay in the miners strhke. --

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over where blame Lee. -- whdre blame should be placed.

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I support the Home Secretary's decision.

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Unlike most of the people opposite of bleating,

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I actually lived in South Yorkshire in a

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mining community at the timd of the miners' strike

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and saw first-hand the bullying and intimidation that went

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on from the miners, people who did not contribute to the strikd had

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They were trying to bring down the democratically elected

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government of the time and they lost and they need

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to get over, they need to get over it.

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Orgreave campaigners feel they have been

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led up the garden path by the

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Does the Minister understand that the Home Secretary's

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proposition that because thdre were no deaths, because there

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were no convictions and the case has only

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collapsed because of collushon by South Yorkshire officers was

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revealed, but because there were no deaths and because there were no

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to ministers and we will not let this issue go and that injustice

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Some of us did not read accounts of the

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miners strike from the benefits of living

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in London and an account in the Guardian.

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Some of us were there on a daily basis reporting as I was

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Can I completely and totally agree with

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the very sensible decision of the Home Secretary?

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If we were to have an enquiry, would my honourable

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friend agree that it might be for the funding

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youth union of Mineworkers who on an almost daily basis thrust

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thousands of their members into the county of

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Nottinghamshire not only to bring down a democratically electdd

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government but also to thwart the democratic

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decision of the miners of Nottinghamshire to work.

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There was a very important issue raised and it

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is this, the alleged political interference by the then UK

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If political interference from the Government took pl`ce

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in operational policing this would be a deeply

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troubling matter and one of huge constitutional significance.

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Did the Home Secretary give this grave

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accusation consideration as part of the process in leading

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We now know that the Thatchdr government was going to

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The truth is that this nasty party has now

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become the nasty government, that is more concerned

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about preserving the

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Thatcher legacy than it is fighting for truth and justice.

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I would say to the honourable gentleman that I think

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again actually he has interdstingly interpreted what I have been saying.

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What I have said very clearly is the decision about not h`ving

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a public enquiry is based on a look in the

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wider public interest, including issues such as no wrongful

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convictions, no deaths and importantly the change in structural

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behaviour partly by Labour government but also

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prominently by this government as well.

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STUDIO: The Home Office Minister, Brandon Lewis.

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Now, say the name Martin Luther King and you probably think of hhs famous

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Much less remembered about the legendary American civil

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rights leader is the visit he made to Britain four years later.

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Martin Luther King was given an honorary doctorate in civil law,

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In fact, Newcastle was the only British university to award

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Five months later, his life came to a brutal end when he was shot

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Dr Luther King's 1967 visit has been the subject of a brief

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Doctor King held people spellbound as he spoke of his struggle for

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racial justice and, and I qtote the three urgent and indeed great

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problems that we face, not only in the United States of America but

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That is the problems of racism, the problem

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Only someone like Martin Luther King could help me, help give me the

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inspiration to dream that I could one day be a member

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And when the three great problems of racism, war and

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poverty are still all too real for millions

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of people, I believe we all

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have a responsibility to take forward Dr King's legacy.

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And to mark the upcoming 50 year anniversary of the ceremony, Freedom

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City 2017 will be celebrated across Newcastle and Gateshdad.

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As he beautifully put it, when he said, it

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may be true that the law cannot change the heart, but it can

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It may be true that the law cannot make a man

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love me, but it can restrain him from lynching me.

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This is why on this side we push so much for equality

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legislation to move forward and continue to move forward

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until we have true equality in the world.

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greatest African Americans, Martin Luther King and his visit to

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Martin Luther King came to Newcastle in 1967 as the honourable l`dy said,

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to accept an honorary degred as a doctor of civil law.

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It was given to him by the University.

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I think with Britain we can claim to be a

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successful multi-ethnic, multi-faith country,

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and in recent years members of African and Caribbean colmunities

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have achieved in many different areas, in business, sport, the arts,

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We know in that context that we still

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You're watching our round-up of the day

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Will it be easy, or difficult, to strike new trade

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Now, you may just possibly have noticed, this summer's referendum

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on Britain's continued EU mdmbership resulted in victory for Leave.

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But did the Leave campaign win fairly and squarely?

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Some politicians take the vhew the public were being

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fed highly exaggerated and even false information.

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A committee's now looking at the lessons of the EU Referendum.

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At its latest session, Labour's Paul Flynn first rdcalled

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some of the claims made during the 2011 Referendum

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on whether we should have a different electoral system,

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the Alternative Vote, at general elections.

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I don't know if you were here when I mentioned the promindnt

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poster that I saw on Vauxhall Bridge which said that Alternative Vote

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would cost money therefore the Government will cut the amount

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of money they give to speci`l baby units in hospitals and cut

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the protective equipment that our soldiers in

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I passed this daily on my way into work.

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If you are referring back to the AV referendum in 2011,

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firstly your memory is defective, I never signed off a poster...

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I have got in front of me, he needs a bullet-proof vest,

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Suggesting that anyone voting for AV wants to imperil the lives

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We were inviting the voter to make a choice.

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I believe someone once said something about the

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We were inviting the voters to consider their priorities.

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Which would they rather mondy was spent on?

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You are misleading them with an atrocious lie.

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The vote was about improving the quality of our democracx

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If we take this referendum, are you happy that the publhc,

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they were not told that the pound was going to lose 17% of its value,

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but they were definitely told that there was going to be

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?350 million extra per week for the health service.

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I think I would defend everx aspect of the Vote Leave campaign.

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The point we were raising there was basically who controls how

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Should we depend on the snapshot of a vote for one day based

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on all kinds of wild propag`nda or should it be a decision taken

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by Government when it's cle`r that the results of that vote

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and then the Government shotld be in charge, not the snapshot

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I think in this case the Government is going to make the decision

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about Brexit and Theresa Max has been very clear that Brexit does

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mean Brexit so we will be leaving the European Union.

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So the Government is implemdnting the will of the people

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Isn't it right that the public when they realised the result

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of the vote that was taken on the 23rd of June should

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be subject to second thoughts when they realised

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I don't think that should be the case.

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I don't think there should be a second referendum.

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Can I ask Mr Norton to answer the question?

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Mr Flynn, your concern is that a momentous decision of this nature

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of such importance for blah blah blah was taken on a

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You were elected on a snapshot single day, sir.

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Do you think that your constituents should...?

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I was elected on a snapshot on seven days.

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You know you are only as good as your last...

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I find that much more convincing and not on the basis of untruths

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Can I give you an example of a lorry driver on LBC which I'm

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James O'Brien, the splendid James O'Brien, the lorry drhver

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said, I finally found the b`ckbone to admit that he changed his mind

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over voting to leave realishng the detrimental impact it would have

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on the life of his 13-year-old son and the evidence of many others

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Broken promises, that they had been conned by a single phrase -

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He then said he feels less in control of his life than ever.

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Isn't it right that lots of people like this lorry driver would take

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vote when it's clear what the disasters that

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There's actually evidence to suggest that more people regret vothng

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So actually were the referendum to be run again actually thd Leave

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Well, staying with matters of leaving the EU,

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plans appeared to suffer a setback last week

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when the Australian Trade Mhnister revealed he'd been given advice

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saying entering trade talks with Britain before Brexit

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The International Trade Secretary Liam Fox had intended to st`rt

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negotiating trade deals with states like Australia before the two-year

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Brexit process comes to an dnd, thought to be in 2019.

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The issue surfaced at question-time in the Lords.

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Does she believe that the process of undertaking negotiations

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for trading arrangements with all the other countries

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in the world is going to take place quickly after this country leaves

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the European Union and is there not a real danger of a very

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unsatisfactory and dangerous limbo arising in most cases

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and what is the Government going to do about that?

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My lords, we are doing absolutely everything we can to achievd

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The Australian Trade Ministdr told us that he would want to conclude

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a free trade agreement as qtickly as possible after Brexit and this

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Could my noble friend confirm that there is no EU free tr`de

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agreement with Australia, that for years they have trhed

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and failed to achieve one, that you don't need to have a trade

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agreement in order to trade, and once we have left

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the European Union we will be able to negotiate a trade without having

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Why does Germany do far mord trade with India while Germany's ` member

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of the EU than we do, ie the EU is not stopping us,

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and isn't it true that the DU leave us open markets with the clout of 27

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members which is greater than the clout of one member?

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All I can say is that the UK remains committed to being a world

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Will my noble friend tell md what estimate she has made

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of the additional trade which would be available in value

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to the United Kingdom by a free trade agreement or agreement under

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special arrangement with of Australia that is not now

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available to us as a member of the world's largest tradhng

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I do not have figures of what might happen.

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All I can say is that we have about ?10 billion worth of trade

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in goods and services currently with Australia.

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We are in the fortunate poshtion of having the same legal system

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the same language, the same, you know, culture and

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And so these are all positives towards actually negotiating a free

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trade agreement to further dnhance what we already have.

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My lords, can the noble lord the Minister, the noble ladx

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the Minister, confirm that there is nothing to inhibit

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discussions and indeed agredments on memorandum of understandhng over

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trade even while we are a mdmber of the European Union,

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and that those memoranda of understanding might well

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form the basis for trade agreements after we leave?

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I absolutely agree with the noble lady.

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Could it be by some quite unimaginable stretch

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of the imagination that those noble lords who keep moaning about Brexit

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are trying to justify the dhre warnings about what would

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And as the Minister and I come from the fair city of Glasgow

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would it be appropriate to say to these people,

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Yes, well, I think my noble lord has taken the words

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Now, could these creatures soon be in great demand

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Eagles are being employed bx police in Holland to tackle illegal drones.

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A number of tests have been conducted since January.

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Police in Holland say the bhrds are not in any danger.

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So could police soon be announcing not so much the eagle has l`nded

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The prospect was raised at Justice Question

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Can smuggling into prisons by drones be stopped?

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The new threat by drones is a game changer,

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not just for prisons but for other parts of Government.

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That is why I am working with ministers

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across the Government to engage with several

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manufacturers to find a

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I am keeping a close eye on what is happening intern`tionally

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particularly in Holland where they are using

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eagles to stop drones and

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I am sure, Mr Speaker, we will find a solution

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Sam Gyimah with just about the worst pun of the day.

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Do join me for our next daily round-up.

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Until then, from me, Keith Macdougall, goodbye.

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