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It is time for Tuesday in Parliament.

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Hello there. Welcome to Tuesday in Parliament. MPs began two days of

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debate on the bill triggering our formal exit from the European Union.

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We voted to give the people a chance to determine the future referendum.

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Now we must fulfil our side to deliver on the result. Scottish

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Nationalists say they will vote against the bill. One Conservative

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says he will join them, rejecting the idea that exit will be good for

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trade. Apparently you follow the Rabbit down the hole and emerge in

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Wonderland. Also, are concerns about prisons falling on deaf ears? And

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debate about Donald Trump's ban on some was in countries entering the

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US. It is divisive and wrong. -- Muslim. The big Brexit debate. The

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first day of discussion on the bill following the process of leaving the

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EU. They will finish their debate and vote on Wednesday. The

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government was forced to bring in the bill after losing a case in The

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Supreme Court when the government's intention that ministers alone

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should be able to start the process was challenged by campaigners who

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said it should be a decision for Parliament. The SNP and the Lib Dems

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are against the legislation, but it is expected to pass because Labour

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MPs have been ordered to support it. The Secretary of State stepped out

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the government's case. -- set out the pillar it is not about whether

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we should leave the EU or how we should do it. It is simply about

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Parliament empowering the government to implement the decision already

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made, a point of no return already passed. We asked the people of the

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UK whether they want to leave. They decided they did. So the core of

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this ill has a very simple question. -- bill. Do we trust the people or

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not? Our aim is to take this decision and emerge stronger,

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fairer, and more united and outward looking than ever before. We have

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been cleared there has to be no attempts to remain inside the EU, no

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attempts to rejoin it through the backdoor, and no second referendum.

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The eyes of the nation are on this chamber as we consider this deal.

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For many years there has been a creeping sense in the country, not

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just this country, the politicians say one thing and do another. We

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voted to give the people the chance to determine how future in a

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referendum. Now we must deliver our side and deliver on the result. We

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are considering a simple question. Do we trust the people or not? For

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generations, my party has done so. Now that question goes to every

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member of this house. This bill provides a power for the Prime

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Minister to begin the process and on the decision made by the people of

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the UK on the 23rd of June last year. I commit it to the house,

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trust the people. Is Labour shadow was in a reflective mood. We lost

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the referendum. Yes, the result was close. Yes, there were lies and,

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none worse than the false promise of ?350 million a week for the NHS.

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Yes... Yes, technically, the referendum is not legally binding.

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But the result was not technical. It was deeply political. And

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politically, the notion that the referendum was merely a consultation

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exercise to inform Parliament holds no water. I hope the respectful

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approach I have tried to adopt two colleagues with the anxiety of the

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48% is reflected across the house. -- to. Hopefully we will see a good

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deal less of gloating for those who campaigned to leave than we have

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seen in the past. It is our duty to accept and respect the outcome of

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the referendum, but we remain a European country with a shared

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history, and shared values. And it is also our duty to fight for a new

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relationship with our EU partners that reflects our values, our

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commitment to internationalism, and our commitment to an open and

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tolerant society. Above all, it is our duty to ensure an outcome that

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is not just for the 52%, nor the 48%, but for the 100 per cent. That,

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we will do. A veteran Conservative pro- European said he would be

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voting for hanky SNP amendment attempting to stop the bill in its

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tracks. -- an. He received criticism. I don't say there is

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criticism. I am actually on good terms with the hardline Eurosceptics

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because I respect their sincerity and the passionate nature of their

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believes. Bit if I see the member for Stone voted in favour of Britain

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remaining in the EU, well, I retract what I say. A referendum... Hot

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tongs would not make him vote for membership of the EU. He turned to

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trade. Apparently, you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge

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in Wonderland, where suddenly, countries in the world are queueing

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up to give us trading advantages and access to their markets that

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previously we have never been able to achieve as part of the EU. Nice

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man like President Trump, President Erdogan, they are just impatient to

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abandon their normal protectionism and give us access... Don't let me

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be too cynical, I hope that is right. I do want the best outcome

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for the United Kingdom from this process. No doubt, somewhere there

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is a hatter holding a Tea Party with a doormouse. LAUGHING. We need

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success in this trade negotiation to recoup at least some of the losses

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which we are going to incur from leaving the single market. This is a

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big deal. You are not just divvying up an animus records... INAUDIBLE.

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This has an impact on each and every one of us. We will tackle

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inequality, I'm a change, refugee issues, and areas that do not get

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much of a hearing in Whitehall these days. -- climate. Our sovereignty

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and working together is a good thing. Passing this bill and turning

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your back on the amendment would turn its back on the progress we

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have made and disrespects the devolution settlement. Vote for our

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amendment all this is economic and constitutional sabotage. The British

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people gave the government the mandate to pull the United Kingdom

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out of the European Union. The British people no... They did not

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give this government the mandate to threaten to turn our country into

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some tawdry the regulation low tax cowboy economy. The British people

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did not vote to make themselves poorer by pulling ourselves of the

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greatest free trading single market the world has ever seen.

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Incidentally, that is one of the many reasons why the Lib Dems

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believe the British people should be given a sad at the end of the

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process as much as at the start. -- say. The British people did not give

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a mandate to the British government to indulge in this sycophantic farce

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in the past few days where the government having burned every

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bridge left in Europe rushes across the Atlantic to sidle next to a US

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president who they do not seem to be aware about whose nativism,

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isolationism, protectionism, is directly opposed to the long-term

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strategic interests of the United Kingdom. There are a number of

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excuses that have been made. We heard from the former leader of the

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Liberal Democrats that the people did not know what they were voting

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for. Well, first of all, there is no excuse for people in this house do

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not know what they are voting for. Because the Prime Minister has made

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it very clear in 6000 words what we are voting for. And during the

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referendum campaign, the people of the United Kingdom knew what they

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were voting for. In fact, those who wanted to remain tried to scare the

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devil out of them when it came to the vote! They told them all kinds

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of horrors were going to beset them. And within a couple of days we would

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be eating dried bread and have no water and lose all of our jobs. And

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still they voted to leave. Sam Wilson. We will have more from that

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debate a little later in the programme. Now two other news. The

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Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, has said the US travel ban creates a

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potential propaganda opportunity for so-called Islamic State. Appearing

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before the Home Affairs Committee, she also said officials were working

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to take down extremist on line postings. Donald Trump has signed an

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executive order suspending refugee settlement in blocking individuals

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from seven majority Muslim countries from entering the US. Do you agree

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with the Donald Trump ban? Yes. I support the stand the government has

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taken. Amber Rudd said that it is divisive and wrong. It was reported

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in the last few days that Isil supporters have been monitored on

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social media saying things like this is a blessing, the ban, because it

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helps increase recruitment. There are many people talking about the Al

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Qaeda leader who claimed the West would eventually turn against its

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Muslim civilians, using this to say that he was right. And also reports

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of former security offices and agents warning that this is going to

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make it harder to combat extremism. Are you worried about this? I mean,

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Isil and Daesh will use any possibility they can to create the

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environment they want to radicalise people to bring them over to their

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side. So, it is a propaganda opportunity for them potentially.

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What we will continue to do is monitor what is being said and

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continue to take down the sort of literature and postings that we see

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on the Internet that tried to encourage that sort of extremism.

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They may use this as an example. We will continue to monitor and take

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down those sites where we can. Another Labour MP turned to the

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decision to invite President Trump on a state visit. Why spend this

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money policing and individual with all the added costs that come with a

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state visit, and individual that has peddled hate, racism, misogyny,

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Islamophobia, when many people in this country would rather that money

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were deployed on actually, for example, policing our communities?

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Well, he is the head of state of the USA. We have an arrangement

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internationally where we look after each other is head of state is. If

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the Queen goes abroad we expect them to look after each other and spend

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enough money. She is universally popular but some countries do not

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take their views are big they still look after her and spend money on

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policing her. -- this is Tuesday in Parliament with me, Alyssa McCarthy.

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The chief inspector of prisons in England and Wales says many of his

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reports are falling on deaf ears. He told the justice committee that

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jails which did not fit his recommendations into practice often

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fail to improve or went into decline. Both of you are hugely

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experienced in the criminal justice system, with an enormous amount of

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knowledge as to how it works, so Mr Clarke, starting with you, in 60

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seconds tell me what's wrong with our prisons? Basically they are

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unsafe, full of drugs, the physical environment is appalling and there

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are too many people in our prisons suffering from mental health issues.

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In my judgement those five issues will create a major obstruction to

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the programme. Who is holding up this reform? You've identified the

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problems and you have talked about what needs to be improved. Where is

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the block in the system that prevents the changes that need to be

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made? In terms of those issues which I've mentioned they our issues which

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we frequently referred to in our reports and I have a frustration

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that far too often it feels as if our reports fall on deaf ears. Not

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in all prisons, but in some. Typically, the prisons which do not

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respond positively to our reports, where there is a hugely low uptake

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or implementation of our recommendations are those prisons

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which do not improve for which actually decline in the way in which

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they treat business and the outcomes that business encounter in those

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prisons. Over the past year there has been a decline in the number of

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our recommendations over role that have been implemented and most

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worryingly a decline in the area of the recommendations in the area of

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safety. In fact we are now in a position where more of our

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recommendations on the subject of safety are not being achieved and

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are being achieved. Let me ask a question about the opportunities for

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the of prisoners to be heard. Do you think those as efficient at the

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moment? Even if I were to believe just some of the stories I receive

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in my postbag, then in some places there are clearly blockages. I've

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seen this on several inspections, where a quite often I get mobbed or

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approached by significant numbers of prisoners and very often that

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complaint is about mundane, day-to-day issues, getting equipment

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and supplies, getting bedsheets, clothing and getting their canteen

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and so on and so forth. Lower-level staff, which has an enormous impact

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on how a prisoner feels about their day-to-day existence. The government

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has denied reports that it is planning to nationalise the

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franchise which includes southern railway, after months of strikes and

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disruption. The transport and is the told peers there were no plans to

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use drip Thameslink railway, also known as GTR, of its franchise. This

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followed reports that ministers were considering taking direct control,

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with an official preparing a number of options. My lords, there are no

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plans to strip the franchise. The speculation in the media is just

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that, speculation. We continue to monitor the performance of all

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franchises. Could the government say what benefits current Southern Rail

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passengers have gained from the current franchise agreement, in view

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of the extent of the widely recognised poor performance from

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that regulator over the past two years? We are acutely aware of the

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challenges which all people who are using that particular franchise are

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facing, but my noble lords tried to distinguish between the industrial

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dispute, which I have always said compound the problems the Network

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Rail faces and an extra ?300 million has been given to the Brighton

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mainline. In terms of the industrial dispute itself, it is

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contextualised. RMT are out on dispute on a new contract. Every

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single train supervisor has signed that contract. Every one. Not a

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single one is exempted. They are working on a new contract. There are

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no job losses on the new contract. There is no pay cut on those job

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losses and what's more they are guaranteed a job until 2021. Even I

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can't lay claim to that. Staying with trains, an 11th hour would bid

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to derail the high-speed rail project has failed in House of

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Lords. He opposed a backbench move to block legislation that paves the

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way for the scheme by 386 votes to 26. The long-awaited HS2 project is

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now set to go ahead after more than three years of parliamentary

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scrutiny. A bill aimed at increasing the number of prosecutions after

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so-called honour crimes has gained initial approval in the House of

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Commons. The bill put forward by the Conservative Ms racked Ghani would

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ban the phrase honour killings from all publications. She said police

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were often not wanting to deal with these problems due to racism and

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referred the woman abused throughout her marriage. She was terrorised,

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going to bed not knowing if she would be alive the next day. She was

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told that the honour of her family was at stake if she complained and

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that police would treat her as a number. She told me that she did not

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feel alive, but nor was she dead. When she did some of the courage she

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called Crimestoppers as well as police. She risked her life in

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reaching out. But after statements were taken she was returned home to

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her abusers because it was just a "cultural misunderstanding". Buy to

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bill was opposed by a fellow conservative. I believe that his

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ministry premise of this bill is wrong because not all victims are

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female and not all of offenders are male. -- discriminant tree. We

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should have gender neutral laws so they help all victims of crime, and

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punish all offenders whether they be men or women. We are looking at the

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screen. It says crime, aggregated murder and violence against women.

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It doesn't mention then! It is there on the screen for honourable members

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who can't read or hear what is actually happening. They clearly

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haven't read the bill that's been brought forward. But MPs allowed

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Nusrat Ghani's bill to move forward, although it will not become law.

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Let's return to the Brexit debate, with national conditions from all

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sides of the house. Many working to be heard, at the Speaker had to make

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this plea for forbearance. Can I appeal to members, please not to

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keep coming up to the chair and asking where they are on the list.

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Not doing so explicitly and not doing so by the backdoor, by asking

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whether it is all right if they go to the Louvre, may I have a of tea?

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Can I eat a biscuit? -- the loo. I will do my best to accommodate

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everybody in the time available, but I appeal to colleagues to show a

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little bit of patience and some regard for the chair trying to

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concentrate on the debate. I will get you in if I possibly can. For

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me, this referendum was a massive peaceful revolution by consent of

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historic proportions. This bill at last endorses that revolution. From

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the 17th century, right the way through our history, through the

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parliamentary format which gave the vote to the working class, the

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suffragettes who got the vote in 1928, and then of course in the

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period of appeasement, these have all been great benchmarks of British

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history and they have all ultimately been determined by the decisions

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that have been taken in this house, and if I may be permitted to say so,

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by backbenchers. The referendum decided only one thing. That that we

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are leaving institutions of the EU. It did not determine the terms on

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which we leave, it did not decide the new relationship we will have

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with the other 27 member states. That is why we have as a nation to

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get our objectives and process right as we start this great negotiation.

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I have to say the government's handling of this thus far has not

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shown sufficient respect for Parliament, notwithstanding the

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number of times the Secretary of State has come to the spat box. How

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long have they said they would give us a running commentary. And if you

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ask for clarity you are not backing the UK team. That wasn't the right

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way to approach it. One Labour MP suggested the Iain Duncan Smith that

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there haven't been enough information published about this

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bill. Over the past 40 years if anybody in this house doesn't have

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enough information to make a decision about this I wonder where

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they've been in the last 40 years, all the years they spent here. Of

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course we have enough information. The question she is referring to is

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the publication of the white paper and the government is certain they

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will publish it. I stand by that, I think is a good idea, but I must say

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the PM made a good fist of it in her recent speech in which he set out 12

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point that would guide to negotiation. I do hope the

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government reprints that with a couple of diagrams, the odd

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explanation and the odd picture and I think that will make an excellent

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white paper. I ensure the Secretary of State who, like me, has a degree

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of experiencing complex international negotiations, is as

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conscious as I am that one of the first prerequisite is to listen to

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the words. It was not the president of the United States who said that

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Britain would be at the front of the queue. It was British politicians.

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What the president said was," you're doing great". I don't take as much

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comfort. The other area that I just want to raise it is the question of

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the game this idea that somehow if you voted to leave you were... If

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not a racist outrightly, an indirect racist. That has been so ridiculous

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and appalling that people, the 70 million people who voted to leave,

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have been treated in that way. -- 17 million. We know that what people

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voted for was not against immigrants but against the idea that 27 other

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countries, 26 excluding the Republic of Ireland, would come into our

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country without any... Any reason other than that they could come,

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whereas outside the European Union and we've betrayed the Commonwealth

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so badly back in 1973. You can't go back on your word because you don't

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agree with the result. But I want to say this: I believe history will not

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be kind to this Parliament, nor indeed the government I was so proud

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to serve. How on earth did we ever come to give an alternative to the

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people which we then said would make them worse off, less safe and would

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weaken our nation? I greatly fear echoing the wise words of some of

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the speech from my honourable friend a new member, that I greatly feared

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generations who either did not vote or who are yet to come will not

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thank us for a great folly. That's it from me for now. Do join me on

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Wednesday night at 11pm for the conclusion of that debate and the

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vote on the bill to begin our exit from the EU. For now, from me,

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goodbye. The weather is very ugly outside

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right now. We've had rain overnight and rain at times expected on

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Wednesday as well. There will be some

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