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Tuesday in Parliament.

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Welcome to Tuesday in Parliament as

MPs get down to their line by line

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scrutiny of the bill putting EU law

into the statutory regulations.

It

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is about one main question and it is

democracy.

I asked the government to

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reconsider silly amendments thrown

out because they have a good article

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in the Daily Telegraph.

Also calls

for more to be done to tackle tax

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avoidance and questions for the

government over whether Islamic

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State extremists were allowed to

free the city of Raqqa.

On this

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release of fighters, our ability to

hold these criminals to account.

It

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was time for MPs to finally get down

to the detailed scrutiny of the bill

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putting EU law into UK law to avoid

a legislative Black hole come

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Brexit. The bill is being

scrutinised in committee, line by

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line, by all MPs. It is a mammoth

piece of legislation running 260

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pages, add another 200 pages of

amendments propose. So start

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reluctant Brexiteer Frank Field

proposed the build should propose a

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date of except of March three, 2019.

The Brexit secretary wants to build

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two feet except date on 11pm March

29 2019.

While the government is

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introducing its own timetable, set

by the European bureaucrats whoever

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they are, I think we should actually

make a decision today it and leave

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on our terms and on our time. I have

never bought a house without having

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in the contract that date when it is

mine, when I can actually get in.

I

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think is an allergy about buying a

house falls down at its first

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hurdle. Nobody commits to buying a

house before knowing what they are

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buying. It is possible that

negotiations may go to the 59th

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minute of the 11th hour. In those

circumstances, does it really make

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sense to bind the hands of the

country, of those who are

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negotiating on the heart of the

country to get the best possible

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deal we can get, which is also the

weakness of the government 's

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amendment.

This argument falls when

you look at Article 50 itself. It

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was very specific for a very simple

reason and that is, in that time

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scale it is therefore determined on

those negotiating to reach an

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agreement or agreed not to reach an

agreement. Just changing that

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timescale does not allow you to

reach an agreement. That is the

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whole point of compression, to get

an agreement.

We recognise the

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importance of being crystal clear on

the setting of except date and the

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government is keen to provide the

certainty that people are seeking.

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In light of these, three at one

amendment has been brought forward

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with amendments three 100 and 82

11pm 29th of March 2019. Of course,

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this is slightly different to the

amendment of the honourable member

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in that it also sets a time. Under

Article 50 there is a date but also

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it has in itself provisions for the

possible extension of the period if

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that is what is actually needed to

conclude an agreement and that is

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what I have to say, this amendment

by the government is is a very

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strange because it seems to me to

add nothing to the strength of the

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government negotiating position and,

in fact potentially create a very

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great problem that could be brought

back to visit us at a later stage.

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The government has had months to

repair this deeply flawed deals.

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Environmental protection, and

limiting the scope of delegated

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powers etc, but instead, they have

chosen to come to this house with

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the gimmick on the departure date, a

gimmick that is about the Prime

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Minister negotiating with her party

rather than trying to get a Brexit

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deal that prioritises job, the

economy and the livelihood of our

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people.

The majority wanted to leave

the European Union. It settled

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nothing else. Nobody expected lead

to win, including the Leave campaign

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as LAUGHTER he would have taken no

notice of the referendum had they

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notice, nobody actually paid any

attention to what leaving actually

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meant. There are some very, very

serious issues to be settled in this

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bill and a half the government to

reconsider the silly amendment

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thrown out because they have a good

article in the Daily Telegraph which

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actually might do harm. CHEERING AND

APPLAUSE..

It is an absolute

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privilege to follow the right

honourable member and I welcome the

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applause from the Labour Party

benches as well...

Some of the

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benches.

We will seek to find common

cause with colleagues from across

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the house. However, we know that

what we are trying to achieve, even

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if we achieve common ground, is to

make the situation in not better but

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less bad and that is not a situation

that any member should ever find

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themselves in when they come to this

house. I would urge members to

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reconsider, I would urge the

government to press the reset

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clause, there is far more at stake

than the future of this government

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all members of this house.

These are

built, this whole issue is about one

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main question and the word is a

democracy. Whether or not we have

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the right to govern ourselves in

this sacred House of Commons which

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is the basis on which the people of

this country in general elections

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make decisions of their own free

choice, whether it is to vote for

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the Labour Party or the Liberal

Democrats or the SNP or the

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Conservative Party, and then had to

make a decision in this house as to

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how they going to be governed.

At

the end of that debate, Frank Field

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withdrew his proposal that Brexit

should happen on March 30, 2019.

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They will vote on the government 's

preferred date later in the process.

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The government should compel British

overseas territories and Crown

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dependencies such as Bermuda and the

Isle of Man to do away with secret

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tax arrangements. Debate on tax

avoidance, Dave Margaret Hodge, she

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said it was one way to ensure rich

firms and individuals who fill their

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duty to pay tax in the UK.

The

culture of powerful corporation and

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the wealthiest in a society, as

revealed in the Paradise Papers,

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Constitution and national and

international disgrace. --

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constitutes. It is not just a

trivial or return practised by a

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small number of greedy individuals

and co-operation but a widely

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accepted behaviour of too many of

those who were rich and influential.

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There is no such thing as a magic

money tree the Prime Minister told a

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nurse who had not had an increase in

eight years. Do they grow on the

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Cayman Islands, Bermuda and tax

dodging to be picked and put into

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our public services, we would not

have police services and teachers

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facing the sack.

I completely agree

with their remarks which are very

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pertinent to what we will be

discussing in the debate. An tax is

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an essential part of the social

contract into which we all enter as

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members of the community. As members

of society we agree to abide by a

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set of rules and regulations that

make all our lives better.

She said

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several things I agree with, the

incident everyone should pay their

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fair share to the tax system and

that tax avoidance is something we

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should work together on, yet, she

not feel a little ashamed about her

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party's attempts to block steps

before the most recent election that

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would have reduced some of the tax

avoidance?

I am trying not to make

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this overly partisan but I feel more

ashamed as a member of a limit at

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her party 's reluctance to adopt a

very clear and simple measure that

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could actually tackle tax avoidance.

She said transparency would change

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behaviour.

We should compel our

overseas territories to publish

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public registers in all their

territories. In the past, a

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Conservative government has used its

powers to outlaw capital punishment

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in our territories and the Labour

government used the same powers will

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skim a nation against gay people.

Today we should work together to our

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rule of the secrecy of these

jurisdictions that leads to such

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massive tax injustices.

The minister

defended the government's records.

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We have raised £160 billion in

additional revenue as a consequence

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of clamping down on tax avoidance,

invasion and non-compliant since

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2010. We have brought in to point £1

billion tracking down those who

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would soar to inappropriately hide

their finances in overseas tax

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jurisdictions. -- 2.8. A further 35

measures will come in from 2015 are

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raising 18.5 billion pounds and one

of the problems is we have been so

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active bringing in so many measures

that, unfortunately, not all of them

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have been notice.

A significant tax

return, would it be better if we

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were to invest tax officers and go

after the multi- billion-dollar tax

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avoidance?

The minister insisted the

government was going after the tax

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cuts. You are watching Tuesday in

Parliament. Don't forget, you can

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find previous editions of this

programme by going to the BBC

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iPlayer.

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committee has been questioning why

there is a need for the review of

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there is a need for the review of

security capabilities. The

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conservative MP, Johnny Mercer,

himself or for me -- former Army

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lieutenant, ask the question.

Is it

hard to accept and we are so

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appalled a booking at board threats

that we have to do the thing again

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two years later.

The whole package

includes the strategic decision by

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the nation to leave the EU and to

change by implication the nature of

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our posture in the world. So that's

a very good start to a review

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reconsideration. And the finances

associated with that including the

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fundamentals such as the fundamental

shift in the pound dollar balance.

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General Sir Richard Barron 's was

the head of joint forces command for

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three years.

If defence officials

were here they could show you pages

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of analysis showing we are in a

different climate with Russia and we

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need to worry about North Korea and

various tensions in the Middle East

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and they would also begin to

describe just in terms of military

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capability, there are reasons to be

UK homeland which armed forces can

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deal with.

We are very close in the

commercial sector to huge advances

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in AI which will change the nature

of the human machine performance and

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that will change incredibly quickly

without the law being in place for

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military conflict. It's just, I

think, I would guess between five

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and ten years and now, which is

within the horizon, we are going to

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have a wholly different approach to

the nature of the human in warfare

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and there is not a whisper of debate

on the subject.

Which areas to see

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this first and foremost coming into

defence thinking and operationally

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within the MOD or rather forces?

Any

area that has very rapid

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decision-making associated with

weaponry. So if the human in the

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loop is in a decision-making loop is

slower than the enemy, you will

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lose. You have to do, in a Darwinian

way, accelerate your utility of AI

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at least as fast if not faster than

the enemy.

Sir Mark Lyall Grant was

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a National Security Adviser who

helped put together the Strategic

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Defence Review in 2015, telling the

committee why there had to be

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another reviewer now.

A number of

things have happened since then

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which call into question the

affordability of the review. There

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is obviously an extra element which

is the referendum to leave the

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European Union but that does not

have a very significant impact on

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either the threat assessment or the

commitment made. Only one of the 89

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commitments in the review mentions

the European Union at all. So I

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don't think that development

fundamentally changes the properties

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of the review but as I mentioned

since then, partly perhaps linked to

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the referendum decision, the pound

has gone down. Some of that money

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can be hedged and has been hedged by

the Ministry of Defence and not all

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of it. Some of the costs have gone

up and that is fairly normal

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process. We should be fairly

familiar. All those issues are

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there. As I mentioned, some of the

efficiency savings have not come

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through as fully as they liked.

There is an issue in the Budget.

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That review is due to be published

next month. This week, the BBC

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learned that several hundred Islamic

State fighters and their family

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members were allowed to leave the

Syrian city of Raqqa when it fell to

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US- backed forces. Labour's Collings

was concerned.

These fighters have

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gone somewhere. There is a threat to

neighbouring countries. What

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assessment has the government done

in terms of the threat to

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neighbouring countries and

particularly countries that are

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fighting Daesh and what assessment

has the minister made on fighters on

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our ability to hold the kernel --

these criminals to account?

The

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withdrawal from the city happened

under the gaze of the coalition.

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Britain was said not to have been

involved in the agreement with the

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aim had been to minimise civilian

casualties.

We are continuing to

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work with the coalition, 73

countries including several

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neighbouring countries, to ensure

that those are seeking to leave. But

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they are held accountable. And that

those foreign fighters seek to

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return to the UK, that there is due

process. That they are held to

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account for their crimes abroad.

The

government should honour the

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controversial promise on the side of

the Birch Leave campaign bus, saying

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millions of pounds would be

available for the health service.

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Simon Stephens insisted ministers

needed to scrap the cost of the pay

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NHS workers, a point raised by the

Shadow Health Secretary.

Does he

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agree with Simon Stephens who says

it would be an own goal not to fully

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fund the scrapping of the pay cut in

the Budget next week and expected to

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be paid for by a productivity gains?

The government is willing to be

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flexible in terms of funding

additional pay. We do want some

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important reforms and if those

negotiations do well and we have had

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very constructive discussions, I'm

hopeful we can get a deal everyone

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is happy with.

So he doesn't agree

with Simon Stephens. Can I ask him

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about his comments last week that it

that underfunding continues, the

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waiting lists will rise from 4

million to 5 million, Cancer care

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will deteriorate and the mental

health pledges won't be met, the 18

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week target will be permanently

abandoned. Is it not the case that

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in the Budget next week, if the

Chancellor doesn't allocate at least

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an extra £6 billion a year, but he

will have failed the Secretary of

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State?

What Simon Stephens noticed,

when he came up with this plan in

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2014, Labour refused to back it.

What we were prepared to put on his

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side of the house. And what he also

said as he is quoting Simon Stephens

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is that when the British economy

sneezes, the NHS catches a cold and

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it will be far worse than a cold to

the NHS if we have Labour's run on

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the prowl.

Later a bill to address

-- address another service bugbear,

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car parking charges at hospitals.

Hospital car parking charges are a

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stealth tax on the NHS. We cannot

say in good faith that the NHS is

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free at the point of access paid by

general taxation if people with cars

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basics tour June -- extortionate

fees to go to hospital appointments

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and work and visit sick relatives.

The bill had support from across the

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house but one MP was concerned about

course.

I am concerned about the

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funding stream. 200 million was

mentioned. It is certainly more than

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162 million mentions. That would be

a funding gap that would need to be

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provided. If we have 162 million, we

would be better spending on hospital

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care rather than hospital parking.

That bill will go onto the next

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stage of consideration but it stands

no real chance of becoming law. The

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football Association needs to take a

long hard look at itself in the

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light of allegations of bullying and

races in women's football according

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to the Sports Minister, Tracey

Crouch. A barrister last month ruled

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the former England women's coach

Mark Sampson had made unacceptable

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remarks to two England players. At a

committee session, one of the

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players accused the FA of behaviour

bordering on blackmail when it

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dismissed complaints. A Labour MP,

Julie Elliott, took up the issue.

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One of the things claimed about the

FA investigation, one of the things

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she said was she felt it was

constantly protecting the reputation

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of the FA and that came across to

the committee very clearly in the

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answer is that the employees do.

Dancing on the head of a pin. Rather

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than if they admitted they had done

wrong. You think that is a realistic

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claim that it was all about

protecting the reputation of the FA?

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I do think it's right to me to sit

there...

I think it is right but to

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your opinion.

I said I thought the

FA handled the incident really

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badly. In a way, it has quite

rightly taken the shine off the work

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that is the FA has done on reform of

the government. I think that the FA

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have to take a long hard look at

itself.

What about the gaps it

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showed an acknowledgement?

Lastly,

there was good news for bees. A ban

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on neo-nicotinoid pesticides will be

banned in the UK. It can cause bees

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to lose their bars.

Why do bees

matter? First, they are exceptional

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animals in the Roman rite and

although there are over 250 speeches

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of bees including 25 species of

bumblebee, they have some remarkable

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characteristics. They can navigate

their way in an astonishingly

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sophisticated way with a combination

of using the angular angle of the

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Sun, counting landmarks and

exploiting electrical fields and

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they can exchange information with

other bees about the precise

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location of a perfect flower known

as a waggle dance. Beyond are

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intrigued to value, they play a

vital role in the border environment

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and that was summarised beautifully

by a poet stating, to be, the flower

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is the fountain of life and to the

flour, is the messenger of life.

The

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role of pollinating is that it is

fundamental to our agricultural way

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of life and it's in the interest of

farmers as well of those with an

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interest in pollinating that we get

this done together. One in every

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three mouthful of food depends on

pollinators.

The minister said he

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had consulted the expert committee

on pesticides.

There may also be a

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persistence of neo-nicotinoid in

soils which may have a wider effect

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on as a precautionary basis, we have

decided to act on that. They were

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clear in their recent advice. The

evidence is not that clear at the

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moment. It is, they believe, reason

to extend the restrictions further

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and that's why we've taken the

restrictions we have.

That is it

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from either now but do join me

tomorrow for a round-up of the best

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of the day in Westminster including

the highlights from Prime Minister's

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questions but the knee, for now,

goodbye.

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