06/02/2018 Tuesday in Parliament

Hello and welcome to the programme.

Coming, Carillion senior executives

are lost for words.

And you are

still all right, all of you. Aren't

you?

100 years after the first one

and get the boat, female MPs are

still severing abuse.

What this is

about is massage and is seeking to

silence women who dare to speak out.

And plane speeding about the online

abuse of a model's disabled son.

We

do not like you, but what you have

done is amazing because it will help

lots of people.

The chairman of the

collapsed company Carillion has told

MPs about how upset he is about the

demise. They provided services for

schools, hospitals and prisons. It

went into liquidation leading

suppliers unpaid and a hole in the

company entered scheme which amounts

to nearly billions of pounds. An

array of senior executives get a

joint committee of MPs as either the

story, but the chairs of the

committees were not impressed saying

afterwards that the directors were

delusional who maintained that

everything was hunky-dory until it

all went suddenly and unfortunately

wrong.

DPhil perhaps that you are

asleep at the wheel and surprised?

No I do not think I was asleep at

the wheel, because as soon as I got

the role we were looking to tackle

issues and the key focus of my time

in the role was to bring net debt

down and that...

So you feel that in

the nine months that you are in the

business you did the right thing at

the right time?

I believe I did

everything that I could have done.

The words cannot describe the depth

of my despair, I am devastated by

the impact and -- that the collapse

has had, on pensioners and customers

and suppliers and staff. It is very

difficult to say, how sorry or how

desperate we are by the situation.

There were loud voices telling you

things were going wrong, and you are

saying that there was no indication

that something was wrong until the

last minute. I simply say it is

incredible.

Sorry, I am not saying

there was no indication, I am not

saying we got all that decision is

right, I am not saying I are there

of those things.

We have had one

session here where people are

pointing fingers and your main

evidence so far is that you have

these advisers and in effect pointed

your finger at them, what is your

responsibility for this collapse?

Board and complete, total. Very

good. No question in my mind about

that, full responsibility, no

question and if I look back, of

course there are things we looked at

would have done differently.

I'm

asking if you think it is justified

in a time when the share price of

the cup -- company is falling quite

substantially, whether it is right

to increase the remuneration of the

chief executive.

We thought it was

right at the time because we wanted

to retain in that business of period

when that sector was volatile.

And

the benefit in hindsight, do you

think those decisions were right?

I

thought a lot about the decisions

that we have made, and I think that

decision in terms of increase in his

pay was correct.

So you think that

in 2016, the chief executive

deserved...

Ever made in January it

in the back with consulting and

shareholders.

I'm asking you in

hindsight, do you think the reward

of £1.5 million at a time when

there's lots of evidence to show

what happened to the business,

whether that was justified?

I

completely understand the anger that

people will feel about the paper has

been made to executives, in my role

on the remuneration committee, I

have to balance factors including

the market and the advice we get...

You already said that, I asked you

would benefit of the hindsight if

you think that the packet was

justified? Wu acting insight that we

should've looked that they were paid

against targets that could have

committed with overall performance

of the business. And all of your

sitting here, with millions of

pounds of payment over a period of

years, and you say how sad and

disappointed you are, but what

actions do you take to show that?

Because it is just words, is it not?

Is just work, I'm sorry, I'm I'm

disappointed, but the money is in

the bank. It is not is it? For the

people who are retired or coming up

for retirement. So instead of the

words, why cannot do something? Why

not give money back and try and make

a difference and put right some of

the wrong.

Can I put it another way?

You opened up about how sorry you

are, but it does not seem to me that

the sorrow leads as Richard says,

too any way of you put the money

back and all for if you have done

rather well after the company which

you then in different ways, helped

to crash. Does that not move you at

all? I mean, why should we believe

you, that you feel so sad about all

of this it does not extend to the

chequebook.

I am genuinely, shocked

and saddened by the events. I

genuinely am. And I am very happy to

engage with the company and

understand what...

You have to wait

for someone to have an engagement

with you, it's part of your DNA. Is

it not?

It is, but I do need to

understand what the position is. I

do not know what my position is

today.

It's clear isn't it, pensions

are taking cuts, large numbers of

people are going to not get paper

contracts, and other people have

lost their jobs, and you are still

all right. All of you. Are you not?

Carillion executives loss for words.

Now, female MPs should not have to

put up with hate and abuse 100 years

after the first women got the vote

in the UK. The women in the

qualities Minister, also told the

Commons should look at cost to

pardon suffragettes convicted of

militant activities. She was making

a statement as MPs commemorated the

anniversary of that 1918

representation of the people act,

which gave women over 30 web

property the right to vote. The

comments was awash with purple and

green emblem of the suffragette

movement.

I'm proud to be part of

the most diverse House of Commons in

British history, we have our second

female Prime Minister. Third of

those in Cabinet are web in and we

have the highest ever number of

female MPs. Outside of politics, we

have seen so much progress since

1918. More women are in a more

diverse range of jobs ever before,

and increasing at the top of the

fields.

The women could not hold

himself that true equality was a

done deal.

Weekdays vile sexist

abuse. We have seen a concerted

effort online and off-line to

destroy the confidence of women who

want to be involved in political

life. Just last week, we learned

that the labour leader had quit over

what she called over bullying and

sexism by supporters of Jeremy

Corbyn. The honourable lady received

endless verbal abuse, in fact she

has disgraced leader received over

half of all the online abuse sent to

female politicians. As she has set

herself, it is the sheer volume and

hatred which makes it so

debilitating, so corrosive, and so

upsetting. And to my own

constituency, I am often asked by

people who come up to me, how can

you bear it? The hate, and I will

tell you I buried. Like other women

in this chamber do, because I know

that the male matter in politics,

and in light. I was hoping that the

Minister was going to make an

announcement today that the

Government was going to issue may be

an official apology to the women of

the suffragette movement or a pardon

Navy for those who are oddly

imprisoned and sexually assaulted in

battle to get women the vote.

By

instead, all we have is another free

announcement of how utterly

disappointed.

I support the move to

ask and consider the case to bring

candidates. What this is about his

misogynists seeking to sign into

women who dare to speak out.

Particularly, this is against

younger women and black women. Now,

voters have the right to choose who

they want, man or woman to represent

them. And once that representative

is elected to Parliament, it is

their right and duty to be able to

get on with the job without being

subjected to intimidation, threats,

or violence. This is about our

democracy, and I hope members on all

sides of the House will get this

their full support.

I would be doing

a disservice to suffragettes who

stood up for their causes, which

were more than just getting above

for women, if I do not say that

today we still have a government

that pursues policies and social

security cuts which hurt when in

budgets and 85% of cuts have come

out of women pockets, and we get to

see the justice for this campaign

is.

I would generally say that this

government is focused on the

Isherwood making sure to do that,

both in terms of positives and

making sure that we have a better

approach to the gender pay gap, and

in terms of protecting women, which

is why we bring forward domestic

abuse bill year which will address

of this.

A couple of senior MPs

wanted a lot to force political

parties to publish the gender

balance of the candidate list.

It

may not be very conducive for this

party to publish the list, but it

would encourage us to select more

women for candidates to take a role

in public life.

She said she would

take a look at his suggestion. You

are watching Tuesday Parliament with

me, Mandy Baker. Do not forget you

can thought -- find previous

editions of this programme by going

to the BBCi player. Weber has

claimed that ten more cash strapped

councils could be about to take the

same emergency measures as

Northamptonshire. Issuing a section

1114 notice, stopping all spending

apart from what is needed to

safeguard vulnerable people. Labour

said that shifting local -- local

government cost to taxpayer did not

work as it did not raise enough

money.

The Treasury notes that and

the local government sector knows

that. So when the Minister is going

to stand up to the Chancellor and

demand the money that local

government needs, because the local

Government Chronicle are suggesting

that there are already at least ten

other local authorities preparing to

issue 114 notice this. How this

Minister treat Northamptonshire,

will be looked on very closely by

the sector.

The Minister said that

all councils have a duty to balance

budget.

The Government has been

aware of concerns about

Northamptonshire County Council

finances and governance for some

time. This is why the secretary is

straight -- stay, appointed an

inspector to undertake independent

best value inspection on the 9th of

January. This independent inspection

is due to report on the 16th of

March.

Before the report came out,

it was wrong for them to comment on

it he said, but one local

conservative felt no such restraint.

It gives me no pleasure Mr Speaker

to say that with this of this

notice, becomes the worst run the

local authority in the country.

Undoubtedly there is huge pressures

the social care budget, exacerbated

by no temperature's fast rowing

elderly population. And the funding

review is welcome, but will come too

late I'm afraid for that counsel.

The Mac all seven MPs have lost

confidence in the leadership of the

Council. There is no question served

that this is not about money, this

is about the governance of the

Council and I Cabinet has to go and

it has to go now.

Jeremy Hunt has

ordered an urgent review of medical

malpractice cases following concerns

over a recent manslaughter clays

involving the death of a 6-year-old

boy. Medical professionals were but

a High Court ruled that that Doctor

should be struck off and they argued

shipping under

It is fair to say that the recent

case has caused huge concerns, so

today I can announce that I've asked

the former president of the Road

College of surgeons to conduct a

rapid review -- Royal College of

surgeons to... So that mistakes are

learned from and not covered up, how

we ensure there is a clarity about

where the line is drawn in medical

practise respect... And any lessons

that need to be learned by the

General medical Council and other

professional regulators.

STUDIO: Other MPs wanted to know

what Ministers would do to integrate

the dot it's important that the dot

-- Anne Holton is now on -- Halton

is now on the...

There's not enough

money, the Government keeps trying

to avoid. Mr Speaker, we've given

extra funding over the next three

years to help councils, that's

addition to giving them access to

nine point dedicated social care

funding by...

The former top civil

servant at the Foreign Office has

been an outspoken attack on the

Government's the dramatic vision for

Britain after it leaves the European

Union. The idea of global Britain is

to show that the UK will remain

fully engaged with the world. Doctor

Simon Fraser seemed less than

impressed.

To be frank, I think many

countries that for the time being

we've lost the plot in terms of

understanding or we intend to go and

it has to be said that in terms of

big geopolitical strategy, whilst

Brexit is consuming us and this

country, it is not the central deal

in global geopolitics. I think that

global Britain at the moment is

really a slow oven, and we need more

clarity of thought. As a set in the

streets that Mr Murray referred to,

it seemed to me that we need to

think through, where that leaves us

on the international stage, what are

the objectives that this country

outside the European Union will be

seeking to achieve in its

international policies, what are the

priorities for us, what is the

message we want to give to the

world? What are the relationships

and institutions and other methods

of leverage that we're going to use

to achieve our goals. At the moment,

there's a lot of mushy thinking

about this and a lot of simplistic

words, and we need to sit down and

put some hard content behind it.

When I was a vicar, the organist

used by any old music, and we used

to call that vamp until ready. And

global Britain is that, it is damp

till ready. They will make noise

until they've come up with a

decision and some kind of policy for

the future. It's a sensible thing to

do, to be honest. Just put any old

slogan up. Until we get to the point

where we know what Brexit really

looks like, I'm trying to be

generous to her.

I don't think I'll

interfere with your relationship

with the Prime Minister. This is an

unusual statement. It seems to me

that global Britain is a very

sensible aspiration as it was three

years ago. Because this is the self

image... It was the policy of the

Foreign Secretary that we should be

present around the world button as

many places as possible so we were

engaged in networks around the

world, and we were able to influence

events. I think that is a good

policy. The challenge us in my view

is leaving the European Union is a

step in a different direction. It is

probably the most important ever

this country is involved with. So it

de-globalize is us. I think it

creates a challenge as to how we're

going to pursue our global

aspirations.

Last week, MPs voted to

vacate the Palace of Wen Spencer

sometime after 2025 to allow

extensive restorations of the

building. -- palace of when Spencer/

Palace of Westminster.

There are

difficult decisions to be made on

how we best protect one of the

world's most iconic buildings for

future generations. We must address

these decisions head-on. The patch

and bend approaches no longer

sustainable.

STUDIO: When that the dot the House

of Commons has lifted our affairs --

it is the citadel of British

liberty.

I don't know how was this

country can be governed by the then

by the House of Commons playing its

part... For me the House of Commons

is down the road. Or for a temporary

period, here. And I think we should

think about that. Very, very

seriously. And I think any of us

that have watched the film artist

our -- Darkest Hour, they understand

the emotion about that.

Think about

her spoilers, random electric fires,

routine and constant maintenance and

equipment failures, floods, I am

frankly amazed that this building

functions as well as it does.

STUDIO: Lesley -- Lady Stowell...

This is fundamental surgery. The

bits that we can see that keep this

building habitable...

It's not often

a reality TV star is called to give

evidence in front of a Parliamentary

committee. But on Tuesday, Katie

price appeared before MPs to make an

impassioned plea for criminal action

to be taken against malicious

trolling on social media. She has

long campaigned on behalf of her son

Harvey, who has a series of

disabilities.

This is what worries

me. To even doubt... the someone has

taken the time to mock his picture

on it, mock words, and I mean, is

that normal? And it happens a lot. A

lot. What I'm thinking is, it's bad,

but what goes through peoples heads

so that people's heads... I've got

loads of gatherings together and I

went to the police. I went to the

police twice, they've arrested two

people, got all of their computers,

phones and everything. And the

police were embarrassed because it

got to a point where they couldn't

take it any further because they

couldn't charge them with anything,

because there's nothing in place.

They had to drop the cases, and

since then, its continued -- it has

continued. It's getting worse.

It's

not just us it affects, we know by

the amount of contact that we've had

from people is that everyone, it's

from children to adults...

You think

you know why he is singled out? Is

it because of his disabilities? Is

he subject to racial abuse?

It's a

lot of racial abuse. I think they

find him an easy target to pick on.

But I'm his voice, and I'm going to

protect him.

Wouldn't you want to

happen to the?

If you are going to

be a nanny, you get police checked.

They want to know your address, they

want to know all the information. So

you if you pave your carpets,... It

say someone came to you for an

interview and you let that person

and said, guess, I will take on. You

realise that the that the dot -- you

realise that they had a history of

online abuse. This is the point.

Something on the record, basically.

Keeping in mind, this is my point of

view. You are allowed your free

speech, and you can have banter, you

can say your point of view about

things. But there is a point,

hopefully the next discussion of it,

where you sit down and draw a line,

when does it become a criminal

offence.

It's taken off and it's the

way it's going to go in the future.

With a lot of things. It's got to be

policed a bit more now. There has to

be lost put in place, and guidelines

to what you can and can't do. And as

she was touching him, freedom of

speech, that still important, but

there's got to be guidelines online

as there are off-line.

Do the two

you viewed there is a gap in the

law?

Completely. I mean, like I say,

in my petition, I got 200,000

signatures, and people said, I don't

like you, which is not very nice, we

are not fans of years, we don't like

you but what you are doing we think

is amazing because it will help a

lot of people. I know you lot

sitting there agree with me, really.

I think everyone agrees. This is the

thing. It's a no-brainer. Only one

I've ever spoken to has not agreed.

We just have to get the Government

to do it. It is that the dot help

everyone.

That's all we've got time

for. From me, Mandy Baker, goodbye.