Browse content similar to 24/11/2015. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!
Line | From | To | |
---|---|---|---|
Residents in Brussels tell us they're too frightened to leave | :00:12. | :00:15. | |
their house at all as the lock-down in the capital continues. | :00:16. | :00:23. | |
I'm Patrick living in Brussels and I haven't left my home for two days. | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
Also on the programme - watch what happens when we took | :00:28. | :00:29. | |
Saturdays singer Frankie Bridge who's been called "fat" on social | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
OK, so why did you? Just people getting replies from trolling and, | :00:33. | :00:51. | |
you know, people join in. Watch that full exclusive film | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
after 0930 this morning. Plus a student tells this programme | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
he's been called a "rapist" and had to miss lectures after questioning | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
the effectiveness of sexual consent Quite insulting to be invited to a | :01:00. | :01:21. | |
class that emimplies, the very nature of it implies that I don't | :01:22. | :01:22. | |
know how to treat other people. Hello, welcome to the programme, | :01:23. | :01:31. | |
we're on BBC 2 and the BBC News Throughout the programme we'll bring | :01:32. | :01:35. | |
you the latest breaking news It's being reported that Turkey shot | :01:36. | :02:07. | |
down a plane in their air space. Footage shows that. | :02:08. | :02:08. | |
After 1030 we'll speak to former England cricketer Kevin Pietersen | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
and we;ll look at a huge rise in so-called legal highs in prisons. | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
As always - do get in touch to discuss all | :02:16. | :02:17. | |
Texts will be charged at the standard network rate. | :02:18. | :02:26. | |
And of course you can watch the programme online wherever you | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
are via the bbc news app or our website bbc.co.uk/Victoria. | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
You can also subscribe to all our features on the news app, | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
by going to add topics and searching Victoria Derbyshire. | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
'It makes me want to cry, terrorists have shut down our city | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
without a single bomb', - the words of one Brussels resident summing up | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
The Belgium capital has been in lockdown since the weekend; schools, | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
the metro, cinemas and other public buildings are closed and many people | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
are staying off work over fears of a credible and imminent terror attack. | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
In Paris, 11 days after the terror attacks which killed 130 people, | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
So what's it like living in such a climate of fear? | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
Patrick, Manuela and Elisa are in Brussels. | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
And in Paris we can speak to Shantal, | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
Thank you for joining us. We'll start with | :03:28. | :03:37. | |
Thank you for joining us. We'll it's been like in Brussels the last | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
few days? Good morning. The last few days we didn't go out that much. The | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
last time we went to a party was on Friday evening. When we got | :03:46. | :03:46. | |
last time we went to a party was on the morning, we heard that | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
everything was on lockdown, that we the morning, we heard that | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
had to avoid going to the city centre and, on Sunday, I still went | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
with the car in the city centre to have a look what was happening and | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
it was very calm. There were still people on the streets but very calm. | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
Since Sunday, we just stay at home and we wait. If we don't have to go | :04:10. | :04:16. | |
outside, we prefer to stay inside to avoid any risk. And | :04:17. | :04:24. | |
outside, we prefer to stay inside to do you feel about that? I'm a bit | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
shocked, Saturday in front of my apartment there was police, a black | :04:29. | :04:37. | |
car with big man with machine guns, from the police, so it was worrying | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
to see them just here in front of my apartment. Also because I'm not | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
living in the centre. Then I went out yesterday actually just to do | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
some groceries and there is a strange atmosphere in the city. In | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
some groceries and there is a what way, give us an insight? People | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
are starting to look at each other in a strange way. I mean, there are | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
some strange looks, especially in front of the | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
some strange looks, especially in usually go, there was a police car | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
so usually go, there was a police car | :05:12. | :05:11. | |
alert side. So in a sort usually go, there was a police car | :05:12. | :05:20. | |
mistrustful way, people looking at each other with suspicion Exactly. I | :05:21. | :05:28. | |
don't think this lockdown is helping us move forward. | :05:29. | :05:29. | |
What would us move forward. | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
government to do if they have warnings or, you know, evidence that | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
there is an imminent terrorist attack? Yes, indeed, I mean the | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
lockdown is a solution, but in the long-term, I mean if we know that | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
most of the citizens are feeling worried, this is not the solution in | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
the long-term I think to keep us in lockdown. Now they are even talking | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
about finishing and ending the lockdown on Monday. This is | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
something that has consequences in the long-term in the sense of how we | :06:02. | :06:09. | |
feel as a community in Brussels. I'm not so worried about the terrorist | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
attack, I have to say, but I'm worried about the long-term | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
consequences of the actions and the feelings that we have. I wonder what | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
you think will happen Wenlockdown is over, when security is relaxed, what | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
then? That is the difficult thing because they are telling us that | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
maybe tomorrow the Metros will be opening and the schools will be open | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
but we'll still get a level four risk so the risk won't have | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
decreased but they're opening up the city again because, I mean they have | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
to, they can't keep us locked down for ever. Life has to go on at some | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
point. But obviously there's still a major risk so that makes me a bit | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
nervous. Yes. Shantal in Paris, good morning to you, thank you for coming | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
on our programme. What do you say to your compatriots in Brussels where | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
there hassen been a terror attack but where they are feeling really | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
under pressure For me, because we have never been on a lockdown after | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
the attacks, we just keep on going, we are stronger than ever. I have a | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
14-year-old daughter, she has to go on the Metro, she has to go, she has | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
to go to school and I tell her, don't panic about a terrorist, but | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
be panicked about panic because they want to scare us. So that is it, | :07:37. | :07:45. | |
yes, keep going, don't get the fear in your head, we have to two on. | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
Patrick, what would you say to Chantal? I think she's right. You | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
need to continue to live, but just take care where you go and maybe | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
avoid the big risks. I think in the end we will have to go on with our | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
lives and accept the fact that it's a new way of living, that you will | :08:08. | :08:14. | |
always have the risks even if they find the guys now, there'll still be | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
other terrorist cells in the future. We'll never have a zero risk. | :08:21. | :08:29. | |
Marook, what would you say to Letitia, Alisa and Patrick in | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Brussels? Good morning. I would like to tell them that we stand by them | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
because we've experienced that, we have been having attacks here and, | :08:38. | :08:44. | |
although they haven't got the attackers, we just want to say that | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
yes you have to keep on living and to not be afraid. Although the fear | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
is legitimate, we can understand that people are afraid, but they | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
have to overcome this and keep on living. | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
Pierre-Marie you live a few blocks from where the police had that gun | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
fight with the terror suspects last Wednesday in northern Paris, are you | :09:10. | :09:17. | |
afraid? No, I am not afraid. I just am thinking about the new situation. | :09:18. | :09:30. | |
I am very impressed at this situation. We have to do this. It's | :09:31. | :09:43. | |
better, if you want to be free, we have to be alive before. At the | :09:44. | :09:54. | |
moment, we have to be more careful in our life, we have to adapt. We | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
have the adapt to this new situation. We can live if nothing | :10:01. | :10:26. | |
happen outside. If something happen, unfortunately, it's not nice. I | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
wonder how free you feel in Brussels? Less free than before. | :10:31. | :10:37. | |
Especially after last week when I was going to work. Usually I take | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
the tram to go to the centre and I have to say that I took the bike so | :10:43. | :10:51. | |
I let fear come into me. So, we feel less freedom than before and this is | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
not normal. I understand the Government, it's right to do this | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
and it's its duty to protect us but I'm wondering if this is the right | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
solution for a long-term plan. Letitia, when the Metro opens and | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
schools open tomorrow as they apparently will, will you go back to | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
work, carry on as normal, what? Yes, I've been trying to carry on as | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
normal as I can actually. I live right in the centre and I'm kind of | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
reassured by the police presence actually but obviously there are | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
things you can't do, the shops and the Metro are closed and the Metro | :11:32. | :11:36. | |
is important to me. When the Metro opens tomorrow, yes, I'll probably | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
get back on it but I think it will be a case of it's going to be | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
natural to be nervous, you are going to look at people and looking for | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
danger. That is probably what is going to change. Chantal, you live | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
close to the Bataclan Theatre, give us a sense of what it's been like | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
there over the past ten, 11 days? We have been surrounded by a lot of | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
soldiers, but I have to say that the people in general have been very | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
positive. It's a bit of forced positivity, but I think it's in | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
France people realise we can't live in fear, we have to continue and so | :12:16. | :12:25. | |
I walk every day for five minutes to the Pepublique, I meet my locals | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
here and we talk and yes, it's reality and there's nothing else we | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
can do -- Republique. It's really interesting to hear you all discuss | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
this together because clearly, we had the horrendous terrorist attacks | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
in Paris and from what I'm gathering, I know it's only a very | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
small snapshot but from what I'm gathering from the Parisian | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
residents, it's an attitude of, we have to keep going and yet in | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
Brussels where this's been no terrorist attack but the threat has | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
been raised, you are sounding like the ones really living in fear. | :13:02. | :13:12. | |
Indeed. More or less, yes. Don't live in fear, guys, keep going. You | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
are safer than ever. You have all protection around you at the moment | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
because they are on high alert, please keep going. I think that this | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
is really like the problem of the fear that they are creating on us | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
and it's, it might be justifiable, but it creates a long-term feeling | :13:33. | :13:40. | |
in the city amongst the people living in the city that is not good. | :13:41. | :13:50. | |
So yes, I actually agree with the previous person, Letitia that we | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
need to keep going. We need to show our citizens here that we actually | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
care about the city so go out and go in bars as far as they are open. | :14:00. | :14:07. | |
Yes, it's hard when you see so many soldiers on the street. You have to | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
remember that the chances of being caught up in an attack are very | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
slim, so yes, you can't let that fear stop you getting on with life, | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
especially not long-term. Indeed, yes. Marook, can you give us an | :14:22. | :14:29. | |
insight into whether anything's changed in so far as the way you are | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
treated as you walk around your city of Paris? Well, nothing has changed | :14:34. | :14:40. | |
really. I'm a Muslim, a French Muslim woman and I keep my vale on | :14:41. | :14:48. | |
me and the fact that I have this is something something, I've been | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
having looks since way before these attacks or the Charlie Hebdo attack, | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
but what I agree with, with all the people who've been talking here, is | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
that yes, the French society have been very, very positive about it, | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
we have been having a lot of good messages of, we stand united, but at | :15:10. | :15:11. | |
the same time, the fear messages of, we stand united, but at | :15:12. | :15:19. | |
PROBLEM WITH SOUND | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
PROBLEM WITH I think we are just losing your line | :15:25. | :15:24. | |
We got the gist of what you were there. | :15:25. | :15:35. | |
We got the gist of what you were saying, | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
We got the gist of what you were coming on the programme, I really | :15:40. | :15:40. | |
appreciate it from Brussels and from Thank you for talking to each other, | :15:41. | :15:53. | |
we wish you all the best. We will on the breaking news from | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
Turkey, where a Turkish fighter jet has shot down a Russian plane, that | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
is that is what is being reported at the moment. Officials in Ankara say | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
it straight into Turkish airspace and ignored repeated warnings to | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
turn back. Videos footage shows the plane on fire before it crashed into | :16:16. | :16:22. | |
a hill. Defence officials in Moscow said the pilot ejected. Have a look | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
at this. The two pilot apparently injected from the plane as you see | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
it coming down towards the ground. Their fate at the moment is unclear, | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
reports say one of them is in the custody of forces in Syria. They | :16:35. | :16:47. | |
denied the plane had crossed into Turkish air plane. Reuters is | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
quoting a Turkish official saying that two Russian planes had | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
approached the border and were warned before they were shot down, | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
saying they have footage that shows that their airspace was repeatedly | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
violated. We will keep you a cross that story. | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
In fact, we can speak to our News correspondent Andy Moore to explain | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
what we know so far. What the Turkish military are | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
saying, that they warned this jet ten times in five minutes that it | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
was violating Turkish airspace, according to the Turks it ignored | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
those messages and they said then it was shot down by two Turkish F-16 | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
aircraft. Turkey also says that it has briefed Nato and the United | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
Nations and its allies about these latest development on its borders. | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
Then we have the account of the Russian military, they said the | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
aircraft was over Syrian airspace the whole time, they say they can | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
prove that from their records. They say, confusingly, according to the | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
Russian defence Ministry, that it may have been shot down by fire from | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
the ground. We also know, according to the Russians, that the two | :18:00. | :18:06. | |
personnel on board injected and parachuted, but the Russians say | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
they don't know what has happened to the two pilot. There are reports, | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
there are helicopters on the way to try to pick them up, but what | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
happened to them we don't know at this stage. | :18:20. | :18:22. | |
We will bring you more as we get it, of course. | :18:23. | :18:24. | |
Saturdays' singer Frankie Bridge, herself a victim of online abuse, | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
confronts a social media troll about why he insults strangers. | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
And a student has told this programme he's been driven out of | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
lectures and called a 'rapist' after he | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
questioned the effectiveness of sexual "consent workshops". | :18:37. | :18:37. | |
Turkish jets have reportedly shot down a Russian military aircraft on | :18:38. | :18:54. | |
the border with Syria. Russia says the jet crashed in northern Syria | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
and that it's two pilot rejected. It says the plane's entire flight was | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
over Syria. Turkey says it warned the pilots they had entered Turkish | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
airspace. Police in Paris are examining what's | :19:07. | :19:06. | |
thought to be An explosives belt which may have | :19:07. | :19:17. | |
been dumped by a terrorist who decided not to blow himself up. | :19:18. | :19:19. | |
It was found among rubbish close to where a mobile phone used by the key | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
suspect, Salah Abdeslam, was traced on the night of the killings. | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
He's now thought to be in Belgium, where a big police operation is | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
It remained under lockdown as the hunt for the suspect continues. | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
The Children's Commissioner for England, Anne Longfield, | :19:32. | :19:33. | |
says 85% of cases of child sexual abuse may go undetected. | :19:34. | :19:35. | |
A report found that 50,000 children were identified | :19:36. | :19:38. | |
as being abused between 2012 and 2014, but it estimates the true | :19:39. | :19:42. | |
Police searching for a missing Sheffield student, | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
Caroline Everest, have found a woman's body in a river. | :19:49. | :19:55. | |
Our reporter can tell us the latest. Yes, a developing story, police said | :19:56. | :20:03. | |
they found the body in the early hours of this morning as they were | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
searching for Caroline Everest. She was reported missing on Sunday, she | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
had been to visit a popular nightclub in the middle of | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
Sheffield, last seen leaving their in the early hours of Sunday morning | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
at around 1:30am, two-way, and did not turn up for a family Mail On | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
Sunday. A big police hunt in Sheffield yesterday looks sadly like | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
it has come to a conclusion with the discovery of the body. Police have | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
not yet confirmed it is Caroline's body but they believe it is and have | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
informed her family, who are now being supported by specially trained | :20:35. | :20:36. | |
officers. Thank you. | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
The NHS in England is to receive an extra ?3.8 billion | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will also | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
It is up to them whether they spend it on help. -- on health. | :20:50. | :20:59. | |
EasyJet has announced that it is cancelling all its flights to | :21:00. | :21:01. | |
and from Sharm el-Sheikh until after the Christmas period. | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
The airline said that all none of its planes will fly to | :21:06. | :21:08. | |
the Egyptian holiday resort until January 6th because of safety | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
concerns following the bombing of a Russian airliner last month. | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
Two others are also suspended float in December. | :21:14. | :21:15. | |
Let's catch up with all the sport now. | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
Arsenal have been present in the knockout stages in the last 12 years | :21:20. | :21:26. | |
in Europe's elite competition, they have Dean as I grabbed at home but | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
even beating them might not be enough to make it into the last 16. | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
Chelsea play Maccabi Tel Aviv in Israel, they should win, possibly | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
going through to the knockout game this evening with a game to spare. | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
We will be light at 10am looking at all of the permutations. | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
A great win for Sunderland last night, a rare clean sheet, a first | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
away win beating Crystal Palace 1-0. | :21:51. | :21:52. | |
Another day, another controversial comment from Tyson Fury, getting | :21:53. | :21:55. | |
ready for his world title fight against Vladimir Critchlow at the | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
weekend, doing a lot of media Bisbee. You can hear the build-up to | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
that fight. He says boxing has got a big problem with doping and that he | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
can tell straightaway is a fighter is cheating just by looking at his | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
physique. His answer is to legalise doping in the sport to make it | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
fairer. As you can imagine, a lot of reaction to that. That is all coming | :22:20. | :22:22. | |
up at 10am. Let's bring you a little bit more on | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
this Russian military aircraft which is being reported has been shot down | :22:29. | :22:34. | |
on the Turkish Syria border by Turkish warplanes. The initial | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
reports came from Russia's Interfax news agency citing their defence | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
ministry as saying one of their plane had crashed in northern Syria | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
and two pilot had ejected. Turkish military officials said Turkish jets | :22:50. | :22:52. | |
shot down the plane after warning Russian pilots that they were | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
violating Turkish airspace. More now from our colleagues who say that | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
Syrian activists had said that at least one of the pilots has been | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
captured and is being held in a mountainous area on the Turkey - | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
Syria border. Russian military helicopters are searching for their | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
pilots from the downed jet. Little bits of information coming in | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
all the time on that, obviously we will bring them to you as soon as we | :23:22. | :23:23. | |
have them. Next this morning, watch what | :23:24. | :23:23. | |
happens when Saturdays singer Frankie, who's been trolled herself | :23:24. | :23:25. | |
and called "fat" on social media, wanted to know what drives someone | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
to send vile messages to strangers. She's been making a film | :23:32. | :23:34. | |
for this programme about social media, and media generally, and the | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
impact it can have on body image. As well as meeting a troll, | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
she also interviewed a national magazine editor | :23:41. | :23:42. | |
about "fat-shaming" articles, and We'll talk to her live after | :23:43. | :23:44. | |
10.30am, but first this is the film It is important for me to look | :23:45. | :23:51. | |
my best, because in my job people They expect me to look like Frankie | :23:52. | :24:02. | |
from The Saturdays 24/7. I think the minute I don't look | :24:03. | :24:10. | |
like that someone is going to In the past, | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
especially when I was pregnant and I put on a bit of weight, people were | :24:14. | :24:23. | |
very quick to make comments on Twitter, saying that I was fat | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
and that I'd lost it, what it is. It really dragged me down, | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
something I was already self-conscious about, and | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
the minute someone draws attention What I think of social media, | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
it is a weapon. People pick a platform, like Twitter | :24:41. | :24:49. | |
or Facebook or whatever they want to use, and they launch hate at anyone | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
and everyone they can find. I've been called fat, worthless, | :24:53. | :25:01. | |
ugly. I've been called things | :25:02. | :25:09. | |
like "whale", I've been told I I'm Frankie Bridge | :25:10. | :25:11. | |
and I really wanted to make a film about how social media and | :25:12. | :25:34. | |
the media are affecting body image. I've come | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
along today to meet a great group of people to find out how trolling | :25:38. | :25:39. | |
on social media is affecting them. I think a big, | :25:40. | :26:00. | |
common misconception is that people think body image stuff is just | :26:01. | :26:02. | |
about women, but that is not really People | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
on my Facebook are always putting pictures of someone David Beckham or | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
even Matt Smith or David Tennant. It is a perfectly normal human | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
instinct to want to look People should just accept that | :26:15. | :26:21. | |
and not make bad comments or good There's also a lot of banter | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
which goes on on social media. Sometimes it is almost as if you put | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
it under the umbrella of banter, you A lot | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
of people have done that to me, and But a lot of the time it is not | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
just banter and people have got You found yourself looking at | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
images on pro-ana or thinspiration Yes, it must be when I was | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
about 14 or 15. I was really into fashion so I was | :26:50. | :27:04. | |
reading different weekly magazines. I'd been bullied and picked on | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
and sent messages I went there | :27:09. | :27:11. | |
because I was confused and I was The quickest and easiest option, | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
the only option I seemed to have, I surrounded myself with it and I | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
posted goal weights of 100lb. Fran, you have managed to turn | :27:24. | :27:35. | |
the negativity into positivity. You spend your time posting positive | :27:36. | :27:46. | |
pictures and messages onto When I first put up | :27:47. | :27:49. | |
my first picture, which was a full I had a bit of tummy showing and I | :27:50. | :28:07. | |
felt uncomfortable and I had not properly prepared | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
myself for negative comments. But now I have been able to post | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
things like this with these kind I get a lot of messages | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
from young women, mostly, saying, "You're an inspiration, you're | :28:22. | :28:30. | |
making me feel better about myself." That is the kind of thing | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
which keeps me going. Because if I can show something | :28:34. | :28:35. | |
like that and it makes someone feel good and appreciate | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
the body they've got, it might dull or lessen | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
the negative emotions they've got. I want to find out why people think | :28:43. | :28:51. | |
it's OK to be nasty to people I'm here to talk to | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
a troll to find out why. But for legal reasons I have | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
to interview him anonymously. I want to see why he does what he | :28:59. | :29:08. | |
does and if he can justify himself. But I'm actually really scared | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
because I don't know what he's It was just to get a buzz, | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
and people getting replies Sometimes it does become | :29:16. | :29:44. | |
a competition between trolls. The buzz you say that you get, is | :29:45. | :29:57. | |
that from being horrible to someone It is from getting the retweets | :29:58. | :30:07. | |
and the favourites. Why do you think you enjoy | :30:08. | :30:19. | |
the attention online? Would you be like that to someone | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
in person? I've seen that you've said you | :30:24. | :30:25. | |
would rape someone, and that you Would you say that to someone | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
in person? No. | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
No? So how come you feel it is OK | :30:33. | :30:33. | |
online? Did you never think about how | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
it would make that person feel? No, you don't think | :30:37. | :30:47. | |
about what you're saying. I was bullied all the time | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
at school. How do you feel it is OK | :30:51. | :30:58. | |
for you to do that to someone else? Do you not see that someone of your | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
age saying, " I just don't think", People say you're just acting | :31:03. | :31:13. | |
like a child. Because I look back, it was terrible | :31:14. | :31:21. | |
what I said, so I stopped. Because I know from when people | :31:22. | :31:35. | |
have said things to me... They've never called me | :31:36. | :31:38. | |
a bitch or said they are going to These are just comments about | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
the way I look or my personality or something and that really hurt me, | :31:43. | :31:50. | |
and I'm feeling insecure, when I'm I'm there to be a singer, | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
not there to be a perfect person. It is hard when people say | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
those comments to me. But I can't even imagine how I would | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
have felt if someone had said some And as someone who's actually been | :32:07. | :32:09. | |
bullied do you not see that is just as nasty, even though that is | :32:10. | :32:18. | |
on the internet? That other person could actually | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
hurt themselves Does it make you feel anything, | :32:23. | :32:33. | |
hearing me saying how horrible it is Or me just being honest to you | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
about how I feel Hearing from someone who has been | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
trolled makes me feel terrible. And what | :32:47. | :32:52. | |
the person has gone through. Have you ever apologised to | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
anyone that you said anything to? If I could apologise to | :32:59. | :33:00. | |
the people I've trolled, I would. Negative comments about body | :33:01. | :33:07. | |
image on social media can make you So I'm here to meet someone who is | :33:08. | :33:16. | |
trying to do something about it, a girl called Natasha Devon who is | :33:17. | :33:22. | |
part of the Self-Esteem Team and she is | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
at this school to do a class today. You're creating | :33:27. | :33:48. | |
your own reality based on what you At the time | :33:49. | :33:53. | |
when that is probably most relevant Natasha, | :33:54. | :34:04. | |
how did you think that went? I'm really pleased you | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
found it interesting. And I think you're in | :34:09. | :34:15. | |
for a treat working with them later, because they are really | :34:16. | :34:22. | |
enthusiastic and the questions they I'm quite confident with this lot | :34:23. | :34:25. | |
that they will go away and think about it and carry | :34:26. | :34:32. | |
on practising the tips I gave them. Do you find when you're looking | :34:33. | :34:35. | |
through magazines and things like that, can you look | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
at a picture of someone and think," Yes, I know that is not normal | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
and it's almost impossible to look Do you find yourself | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
following people that you look I know, as a girl, I sit there most | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
nights, saying, "I'm going to bed". And I'm going to go to bed and look | :34:53. | :34:58. | |
at lots of hot people on Instagram and think, "she's got really nice | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
legs, she's got really nice hair". I can find myself the whole | :35:04. | :35:17. | |
time comparing myself to these I know nothing about them, | :35:18. | :35:20. | |
but I obsess over them. Do you find that you look | :35:21. | :35:27. | |
at everyone else's profiles, even girls from school, and think, | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
"she is better than me"? There is a lot of pressure on us | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
today with all the social media. You have to keep on posting to make | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
you seem interesting, it feels like. You have to make your own life look | :35:37. | :35:42. | |
as interesting as everybody else's. And if you don't do it, people are | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
like," you didn't do anything". When you did, | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
but you just didn't want to put it Or maybe having too much fun to | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
be taking photos of yourself. LAUGHTER It is not just social media | :35:54. | :35:59. | |
which is piling on the pressures It is magazines like this and other | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
celebrity magazines with pictures of girls in bikinis and things about | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
diets all over the front cover. I'm here to talk to the editor in | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
chief of Star magazine Lebby Eyres, I'm sitting here looking | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
at the front covers of some of your magazines and a lot of them | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
seem to be about how people look. There is fat | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
in capital letters there! Do you find that stuff like that | :36:25. | :36:26. | |
really helps to sell your magazines? In that instance, | :36:27. | :36:29. | |
that cover you're pointing out, that is the best selling issue we've | :36:30. | :36:38. | |
had so far of Star magazine. I would say that both | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
of those pictures that the girls are posing for worse set up probably | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
with the celebrities themselves. And the story is | :36:48. | :36:50. | |
about an argument they have. People are very quick to call us | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
out on twitter if they think we've gone too far with something or | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
we've been mean about someone. If a celebrity suddenly appears they | :36:57. | :37:12. | |
are looking much skinnier than they If we don't say anything and we just | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
say" wow, they look amazing in that dress", I think we're being | :37:18. | :37:25. | |
irresponsible to our readers because then that overly skinny | :37:26. | :37:30. | |
frame becomes the new normal. I've been airbrushed and everything, | :37:31. | :37:32. | |
so people could say I'm being hypocritical by asking that sort | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
of question. Do you think, | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
because so many pictures are airbrushed now, that seeing the | :37:40. | :37:42. | |
pictures where celebrities aren't, We did start a no airbrushing | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
campaign in the magazine. If we do a shoot with | :37:47. | :37:58. | |
a celebrity we don't airbrush it. Obviously, there are some pictures | :37:59. | :38:00. | |
in the magazine that I don't have total control over, if we do | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
a interview with a celebrity and But actually slimming people down | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
in pictures is something that all After talking to Lebby, | :38:08. | :38:15. | |
the editor of Star magazine, I've realised it will be very hard to get | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
the magazines to change their way. As their biggest selling magazine | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
of the year was the one with the word fat in big capital letters | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
on the front. And two celebrities not | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
looking 100% their best. It's been so interesting, | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
meeting so many people affected by body image either through social | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
media or the media. What is clear to me, though, | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
is that it is a big problem, and it It might be hard to do, | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
but there should be some way that social media sites and the police | :38:49. | :38:55. | |
can shut down accounts quicker And if you want to share that film, | :38:56. | :38:57. | |
you can find it on our programme Shepherds Bush Proof if ever sub it | :38:58. | :39:15. | |
were needed that the best thing to do with a troll is nothing at all. | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
Tweet from Anthony, this looks amazing, we should be strong and | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
stand up to online bullying together. Gareth | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
More now on the the trolls do need beating. | :39:27. | :39:45. | |
shot down a Russian plane. Turkey says the plane violated Turkish air | :39:46. | :39:54. | |
shot down a Russian plane. Turkey were involved in the downing of | :39:55. | :39:56. | |
shot down a Russian plane. Turkey plane. You can see it coming down | :39:57. | :40:03. | |
now. A Turkish military statement says; Moscow meanwhile says, sorry, | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
it can prove the jet had not left Syrian air space. In the last few | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
minutes, our colleagues at BBC Monitoring are reporting | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
minutes, our colleagues at BBC armed opposition groups are claiming | :40:14. | :40:14. | |
to have captured at least one armed opposition groups are claiming | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
pilots, both ejected and Syrian opposition groups are saying they | :40:20. | :40:20. | |
captured at least one of the opposition groups are saying they | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
and that another pilot has been killed. | :40:24. | :40:29. | |
and that another pilot has been According to the Saudi funded TV | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
channel, there are pictures to confirm the killing of the pilot. | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
Much more on that to come. The danger of legal highs - | :40:36. | :40:37. | |
we'll be speaking to a man who became addicted to one | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
legal drug while in prison. The Government has announced that | :40:43. | :41:03. | |
Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland will receive proportionate | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
increases. Norman Smith is at Westminster to | :41:09. | :41:12. | |
increases. Norman Smith is at increase for the NHS. You have to be | :41:13. | :41:16. | |
careful. 24 hours before the Chancellor's Spending Review, | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
numbers will be flying all over the place, these numbers, the ?3.8 | :41:20. | :41:24. | |
million is the first instalment of ?8 billion that the Government | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
promised it would give to the NHS during the course of this Parliament | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
to it's a sort of down payment. It will be a big boost, it will deliver | :41:34. | :41:43. | |
something like ?800,000 more operations -- 800,000 more | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
operations, there'll be more diagnostic tests and there'll be | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
more out-patient appointments. It also tells with it another story | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
more out-patient appointments. It and, when the Chancellor and Jeremy | :41:58. | :42:01. | |
Hunt visited a GP surgery in Streatham this | :42:02. | :42:02. | |
Hunt visited a GP surgery in there about the sort of immediate | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
pressures the NHS is under because we know the NHS is expected to have | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
a ?2 billion deficit by the end of this year, something like two thirds | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
of Trusts are in debt. On top of that, of course, we have got the | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
difficulties with the doctors strike looming just around the corner, | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
three days of industrial action pencilled in. We have got the winter | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
pressures coming along and the Government wants to provide cash to | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
ease the way for this seven-day NHS. This extra cash, yes, it provides | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
some benefits, but it's also designed to ease some of the huge | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
pressure now on the NHS. So if the NHS is getting that next | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
year, what will that mean for other Government departments and the | :42:53. | :42:55. | |
funding of them? The short answer is, if there's more cash for the | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
NHS, there's more pain for everyone else, something the Chancellor | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
himself acknowledged this morning, have a listen. It's all part of the | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
NHS's own plan to improve the service it gives to our patients. We | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
have to make savings elsewhere in Government to pay for all this but | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
that goes to show if you have a strong economy, you have a strong | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
NHS and social care system. So more cash for the NHS, other areas are | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
also protected like defence, overseas aid and schools, but it | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
means a big squeeze in some very, very sensitive areas, police numbers | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
could be cut. They were cut by around 17,000 in the last | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
Parliament, Mr Osborne's refused to rule out further cuts to police | :43:40. | :43:47. | |
numbers. How far will he go to ease the pain from cuts in Tax Credits? | :43:48. | :43:51. | |
He might have less cash to do that. Social care too, there are signs | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
that local authorities are going to have to pick up more of the bill for | :43:55. | :44:00. | |
social care, so, you know, on the eve of the Spending Review, we get a | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
big announcement from the Chancellor saying good news on the NHS, but | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
there's another side to this which is there's going to be real pain | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
elsewhere announced tomorrow. Thank you very much Norman. Full | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
coverage of the Autumn Statement here on BBC News. Kevin Pietersen's | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
set up a tournament for underprivileged teenagers. We'll | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
talk to him live after 10. 30. Here is Carol for the latest weather. How | :44:30. | :44:33. | |
is it looking? It's cold for some of us today. | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
Colder than it was for Scotland and Northern Ireland but a wee bit less | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
cold across parts of England and Wales. Have you heard of our | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
weather-watchers club I'll tell you about it, it's something that | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
anybody can join in with and we invite anybody that is a member of | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
the club to send in pictures of where they are. For example, this | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
picture was taken tracking storm Abigail and so was the next one I'm | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
going to show you. They are from different parts of the condition | :45:03. | :45:10. | |
tri. -- country. We have thousands of members | :45:11. | :45:13. | |
already, extending from the Channel Islands to Shetland. We had storm | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
Barney, so you can see some of the damage from him. These pictures came | :45:19. | :45:24. | |
in fairly instantly to us. A similar one, huge waves in the Isle of Wight | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
and, more recently at the weekend, this picture was taken as the | :45:29. | :45:31. | |
temperature dropped low enough for the rain to turn to snow. Here are | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
the after-effects as well in Derbyshire. | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
Anybody can join in this, just go online and you can add the weather | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
where you are with your weather picture if you want or you can put | :45:45. | :45:48. | |
in a symbol like this one saying it's sunny where I am. If you have a | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
weather station in your garden, which I am sure you do, then add | :45:55. | :46:02. | |
details there. I don't actually. It's a now-cast, not replacing the | :46:03. | :46:09. | |
forecast, but it's a great idea. How is it today? Today not too bad for | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
some of us. If you are heading out, make sure you bring your brolly. We | :46:15. | :46:19. | |
have some blustery showers. Some of us will see some sunshine, but not | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
all of us. The back edge of the rain is pushing away. You can see a | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
plethora of showers across many other parts of the UK. Through the | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
morning, we'll continue to see the rain move away. The gusty winds we | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
have had across the English Channel will be easing. A lot of showers in | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
the north and west. The east seeing something drier and brighter with | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
sunny spells and the odd occasional showers coming through the | :46:49. | :46:50. | |
afternoon. Picking up the forecast, you can see the extent of the cloud | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
cover. One or two showers, some brighter spells but drifting across | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
the southern counties, more cloud around, particularly so in | :47:00. | :47:01. | |
south-west England where you could catch a shower. Showers on and off | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
through the day in Northern Ireland and north-west England. There'll be | :47:08. | :47:17. | |
showers in western Scotland. Most of them however will be in the east of | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
Scotland. The chilly wind will mean more | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
showers pack inland. Cold enough for a touch of frost, | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
but we are not expecting frost in the west with all the cloud and | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
wind. Tomorrow we start off on not a bad note in the east. We will have a | :47:37. | :47:45. | |
lot of showers coming in from the west. Anywhere from western Scotland | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
down towards the Isle of Wight and north-west of that where you can | :47:50. | :47:52. | |
expect the cloud, drizzle and showers. In the east, dry with | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
plenty of sunshine. We could catch some showers in north-east Scotland | :47:58. | :48:01. | |
and also the north coast of Norfolk. In the east, despite the sunshine, | :48:02. | :48:04. | |
it will feel cold in the west because of the wind. As we head on | :48:05. | :48:09. | |
into Thursday, the cloud that was in the west on Wednesday moves towards | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
the east so it will be a fairly cloudy day for the bulk of the | :48:13. | :48:22. | |
British Isles. Not how the temperatures are slowly starting to | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
pick up. As we head on into Friday, we are looking still at another | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
weather front coming in. That will introduce wet and windy weather, | :48:33. | :48:35. | |
slipping southwards and behind it, it's going to turn much colder into | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
the weekend. We'll say hello to gales for some of | :48:42. | :48:43. | |
us once again. Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :48:44. | :48:47. | |
welcome to the programme. Our Russian warplane is shot down by | :48:48. | :49:01. | |
Turkish fighter jets over Turkey's border with Syria. We will be live | :49:02. | :49:06. | |
with the latest in four minutes. Also, watch what happens when we | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
speak to Frankie Bridge, the victim of online abuse, to confront a | :49:12. | :49:13. | |
troll. So, why did you? Because I get a | :49:14. | :49:22. | |
buzz. Getting replies from the people I am trolling, the favourite | :49:23. | :49:28. | |
and retweets. People joining in. Watch the full film on our programme | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
page. We will speak to Frankie Bridge lives after 10:30am. Plus, | :49:35. | :49:41. | |
warnings that legal highs are leading to an increase in violence | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
in prisons. I wanted to hurt somebody all the time, I felt I | :49:46. | :49:49. | |
wanted to harm myself, I just did not feel a human being. | :49:50. | :50:01. | |
Turkey says it's shot down a military jet that violated | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
Russia says the downed plane is one of | :50:06. | :50:07. | |
its Sukhoi Su-24s, but it was shot down from the ground over Syria. | :50:08. | :50:26. | |
Russian military helicopters are searching for the pilots, | :50:27. | :50:28. | |
Police in Paris are examining what's thought to be | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
an explosives belt which may have been dumped by a terror suspect who | :50:32. | :50:35. | |
It was found among rubbish close to where a mobile phone used by the key | :50:36. | :50:40. | |
suspect, Salah Abdeslam, was traced on the night of the killings. | :50:41. | :50:42. | |
He's now thought to be in Belgium, which remains under lockdown. | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
Residents in Brussels have told this programme | :50:46. | :50:47. | |
We just stay at home and we wait. If we don't have to go outside, we | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
prefer to stay inside to avoid any risk. Obviously I'm a bit shocked. | :50:54. | :51:01. | |
Saturday, in front of my apartment, there were police cars, a black | :51:02. | :51:10. | |
car, men with machine guns. We just keep on going, we are | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
car, men with machine guns. We just ever. I have a 14-year-old | :51:15. | :51:16. | |
daughter, she has to go on the Metro, she has to go, she has to go | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
to school. And I tell her, don't panic about the terrorists, but be | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
panicked about panic, because they want to scare us. | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
The Children's Commissioner for England says 85% of cases of child | :51:30. | :51:32. | |
A study found that while 50,000 children were | :51:33. | :51:50. | |
identified as being abused over a two-year period, the true figure was | :51:51. | :51:53. | |
Police searching for a missing Sheffield student, | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
Caroline Everest, have found a woman's body in a river. | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
18-year-old Caroline Everest was last seen in a nightclub in the | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
city. The body, yet to be formally identified, was discovered in a | :52:04. | :52:05. | |
river in the early hours of this morning. Her family have been | :52:06. | :52:06. | |
informed. The NHS in England is to receive | :52:07. | :52:06. | |
an extra ?3.8 billion Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
will receive proportionate increases but it's up to them | :52:10. | :52:12. | |
whether they spend it on health. EasyJet has announced that it is | :52:13. | :52:26. | |
cancelling all its flights to and from Sharm el-Sheikh | :52:27. | :52:28. | |
until January 6th. It follows the crash of a Russian | :52:29. | :52:30. | |
airliner last month, believed to Monarch | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
and British airways are stopping Let's catch up with all | :52:34. | :52:36. | |
the sport now and join Olly. We'll show you last night's goal | :52:37. | :52:39. | |
in the Premier League in just a moment, but it's the return | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
of the Champions League tonight, English clubs have hardly lit up | :52:43. | :52:48. | |
Europe's elite club competition. Arsenal have an incredible record, | :52:49. | :52:50. | |
ever-presents in the knockout-stage for the past 12 | :52:51. | :52:52. | |
years, but even a win against Dinamo Zagreb tonight might not be enough | :52:53. | :52:55. | |
to get them out of the group. For all their woes | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
on the home-front, Chelsea could qualify tonight, they are in Haifa, | :52:59. | :53:06. | |
playing Maccabi Tel Aviv. Conor Mcnamamra sent us this | :53:07. | :53:08. | |
in the last few minutes Jose Mourinho is pleased that his | :53:09. | :53:15. | |
full Chelsea squad have made this trip for what is now an important | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
Champions League games at Chelsea. Mourinho had a swipe yesterday in | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
the press conference at former Chelsea defender Graeme Bisson, who | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
has been critical of Mourinho this season. But he made reference to | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
2001, the last time Chelsea played in Israel, in the immediate | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
aftermath of terrorist attacks, and low so was one of six players who | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
decided not to make the trip to Israel for security reasons. | :53:42. | :53:44. | |
Mourinho very much pleased that the full squad have come this time | :53:45. | :53:47. | |
around. Realistically a better chance of silverware in the | :53:48. | :53:49. | |
Champions League for Chelsea this season than the domestic league. He | :53:50. | :53:56. | |
made reference to the fact it has not been the greatest system that by | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
season on the home front but teams can have a good season in Europe. | :54:02. | :54:06. | |
There is high alert as usual in Israel but no extra facilities put | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
in place for the game. Chelsea left London 24 hours earlier than they | :54:11. | :54:14. | |
normally would, not so much for security reasons but due to the | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
length of the flight. Mourinho wanted them to have the extra time | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
to stretch their legs before kick-off. | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
Looks lovely there this morning. Could be gloomy in North London this | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
evening. Arsenal third in their Champions League group and in | :54:30. | :54:32. | |
serious danger of failing to make it through to the knockout stages. They | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
face dynamos I grabbed. There could be a needle because Arsenal lost 2-1 | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
in Croatia to them. After that, aspiration player failed a doping | :54:44. | :54:47. | |
test. Arsene Wenger feels Uefa have been far too soft on drugs offences | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
and perhaps the result should have been overturned. To the match | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
itself, they have to win but even if they do, they rely on other results | :54:57. | :54:59. | |
to go their way. We want to win our game, anyway. It | :55:00. | :55:04. | |
is true that we need a positive result from Bayern, but that only | :55:05. | :55:10. | |
has an impact if we win, so let's focus on what we can do. | :55:11. | :55:14. | |
Sunderland are on the up, slowly - they are now 18th in the | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
Jermaine Defoe got the winner in the last ten minutes at Selhurst Park | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
pouncing on some very poor defending from Crystal Palace's Scott Dann. | :55:23. | :55:25. | |
Sunderland are now a point off safety. | :55:26. | :55:28. | |
There's a world title fight coming up at the weekend and | :55:29. | :55:31. | |
Great Britain's Tyson Fury, who is challenging Wladimir Klitschko for | :55:32. | :55:33. | |
the World Heavyweight title, says that boxing has got "a big doping | :55:34. | :55:39. | |
problem", and that the easist solution would be to legalise it. | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
I think it would be more fair, because you have got people taking | :55:45. | :55:51. | |
drugs and when you face a man who is not taking drugs, it becomes unfair, | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
it is a disadvantage. But if everyone was taking drugs, then it | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
would be fair, I think. In response, the | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
British Boxing Board of Control says Fury's comments are simply wrong | :56:02. | :56:03. | |
and they are working as hard as any That's all the sport for now, | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
I'll be back with the headlines Hello, thank you | :56:07. | :56:12. | |
for joining us this morning. Welcome to the programme | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
if you've just joined us, we're on BBC Two and the BBC News | :56:17. | :56:18. | |
Channel until 11am this morning. We will be bringing you the latest | :56:19. | :56:27. | |
breaking news and sport, and an interview with controversial cricket | :56:28. | :56:29. | |
captain Kevin Pietersen after 10:30am. We will also speak to The | :56:30. | :56:38. | |
Saturdays single Frankie Bridge, who confronted a troll about social | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
media messages. Thank you for your thoughts. | :56:44. | :56:45. | |
One says, trolls are obviously people with a problem, I wonder how | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
perfect they are. This tweet, it is sad that Frankie | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
Bridge's comments that she was feeling insecure about her pregnant | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
body before comment about being fat while pregnant. | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
This e-mail, being called fact, etc, relates not only to young people but | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
everyone. I am a professional singer and when performing on a number of | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
occasions people have come to me and said, haven't you got fat, you have | :57:14. | :57:16. | |
put weight on, you look different. Charming! | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
Phoebe has tweeted, great to see women speaking up, I have watched | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
from Hong Kong where body shaving is so common that people think it is | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
OK. Rose tweets, people who call are | :57:29. | :57:31. | |
cowards. This from Chuck, you have given the | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
troll exactly what he wanted, some attention. I hope the interview does | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
not give an incentive to others. Thank you for those. | :57:40. | :57:41. | |
Your contributions to this programme and your expertise really is key. | :57:42. | :57:43. | |
Texts will be charged at the standard network rate. | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
And you can watch the programme online wherever you | :57:48. | :57:49. | |
are via the BBC News app or our website, bbc.co.uk/victoria, | :57:50. | :57:51. | |
and you can also subscribe to all our features on the news app, | :57:52. | :57:54. | |
by going to 'add topics' and searching 'Victoria Derbyshire'. | :57:55. | :58:00. | |
Let's bring you more on the breaking news from Turkey, where it Turkish | :58:01. | :58:07. | |
fighter jets have shot down a Russian warplane. | :58:08. | :58:09. | |
Officials in Ankara say it strayed into Turkish airspace and ignored | :58:10. | :58:11. | |
Video footage shows the plane, a Sukhoi 24, on fire | :58:12. | :58:19. | |
Let's have a look at these pictures now, that is after the plane crashed | :58:20. | :58:35. | |
into a mountainous area. Defence officials | :58:36. | :58:37. | |
in Moscow say the two pilots One report says one of them is in | :58:38. | :58:39. | |
the custody of Turkmen forces in They are ethnic Turks who don't | :58:40. | :58:53. | |
support so-called Islamic State or President Assad of Syria. The other | :58:54. | :58:58. | |
pilot has been killed, according to a Saudi funded TV channel. | :58:59. | :59:01. | |
Russia has denied that the plane had crossed into Turkish airspace. | :59:02. | :59:05. | |
It says it was shot down from the ground, not by fighter jets. | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
Let's talk to our reporter in Istanbul, Turkey saying one thing, | :59:12. | :59:18. | |
Russia said another. Give us more detail about what Turkish officials | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
are saying? Turkish officials are saying one | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
thing, another Turkish official is saying about as well, so there are | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
conflicting accounts of what has actually happened. Initially, | :59:31. | :59:32. | |
Turkish presidential sources were saying that a Russian jet was downed | :59:33. | :59:40. | |
by Turkish military fighter jets, but then another account of what | :59:41. | :59:46. | |
happened took place and Turkish presidential sources are saying it | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
could have been a Russian jet, but they are not being very clear on | :59:51. | :59:55. | |
that. It could maybe be a Russian jet, maybe not. That is what Russian | :59:56. | :00:00. | |
defence ministry sources are saying. They are investigating and saying | :00:01. | :00:04. | |
they think it could be a Russian jet. Turkish military officials are | :00:05. | :00:09. | |
saying that this particular jet was warned over ten times in five | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
minutes before the decision to shut down -- to shoot down the plane was | :00:15. | :00:20. | |
taken. They are saying that this jet had actually violated Turkish | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
airspace, was warned several times, but the warnings were not adhere | :00:24. | :00:29. | |
to, and it was shot down because of the rules of engagement. Earlier | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
this week, the Turkish Prime Minister had warned Russia about its | :00:34. | :00:46. | |
military incursions on Turkmens, the Prime Minister was saying that | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
Russian air strikes were targeting the Turkmen minority in Syria, | :00:52. | :00:58. | |
rather than the Islamic State targets, for instance. The Turkmen | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
minority is very crucial for the Turkish Government, because the | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
Turkmen are ethnically close to the Turkish people, and that was a red | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
line for the Turkish Government. There were several warnings made as | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
such, and this warning came just this week. The Russian ambassador | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
was summoned to the Foreign Ministry for instance, and the Turkish | :01:20. | :01:25. | |
Government has said they would take necessary precautions and measures | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
if Turkish airspace, for instance, was violated, and that is what has | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
happened today. Reports from the border area are suggesting that the | :01:37. | :01:42. | |
jet was downed just over where a refugee camp was present, and this | :01:43. | :01:52. | |
refugee camp was sheltering Turkmen refugees fleeing the Russian air | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
strikes and fleeing the clashes with Assad forces. We have to remember | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
that Turkmen minorities are an opposition group, opposing the Assad | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
forces, the Assad regime, and opposing the Islamic State militants | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
as well. So, they were taking shelter in this refugee camp, and | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
just over this refugee camp, it seems, this jet was downed. | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
Recently, this week, Turkey opened its borders for the Turkmen refugees | :02:21. | :02:26. | |
fleeing the clashes and Russian air strikes and over 1500 Turkmen were | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
welcomed in Turkey, so there was actually a sort of refugee crisis | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
just at the border building up recently this week, and I did | :02:35. | :02:42. | |
probably have a military crisis building up at its border as well. | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
What is happening could be very significant, especially regarding | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
what the fate of these two pilots are. The reports claim that they had | :02:51. | :03:01. | |
objected -- ejected from the planes, one Turkish opposition member saying | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
they captured one of the pilots but these are not verified reports. The | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
fate of the pilots will be crucial, as to whether the tension between | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
Turkey and Russia will escalate or not. | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
Thank you very much. Our defence correspondent is with us | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
in the studio. How serious is it if one country shoots down another | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
country's played? It is very serious, there is a | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
history here, Turkey has shot down two Syrian aircraft, also possibly a | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
helicopter and a drone that it said was violated its airspace. The fear | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
when Russia intervened in the campaign was that it might be a | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
Russian jet involved in this way, and it seems to have happened, it is | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
irrelevant whether it was shot down by ground fire or a Turkish jet. The | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
difficulty of course is that there are lots of questions, still. Was | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
the Russian jet in Syrian airspace, as the Russians insist, or had it | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
straight into Turkish airspace? Is it simple to stray into somebody | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
else's airspace? It is it simple to stray into somebody else's | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
airspace? It despite arises, was it necessary for the Turks to shoot the | :04:15. | :04:17. | |
aircraft down? They could have intercepted it, | :04:18. | :04:24. | |
there was no indication, yet, that anybody had dropped bombs on Turkish | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
territory. But there is the back story there, you heard from my | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
colleague a moment ago, there is the minority in northern Syria which the | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
Turkish Government feels affinity for, which may have a key role in | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
any buffer zone established. That group has been under air attack in | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
recent days and weeks, the Syrian Government forces, they are opposed | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
to the Syrian Government, the Syrian Government forces trying to push in | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
towards the border, being backed up by Russian air power. So clearly the | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
Turks have been annoyed by that, they have made representations to | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
Moscow about that. Maybe they decided to draw a line, who knows? | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
But it is not a very helpful episode. It really does -, we have | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
this discussion with the Americans, the Russians, about what they call | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
the conflict in, not straying into each other's operations. The real | :05:20. | :05:27. | |
problem, as many people bought, rests with the Syrian - Turkish | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
border airspace, and sure enough that has caused this incident today. | :05:32. | :05:38. | |
A Kremlin spokesman has said; a very serious incident but too early to | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
draw conclusions about the circumstances. Absolutely, and I | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
think also another crucial factor will be the fate of the crew. The | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
jet is a strike aircraft, it has two-man crew, as you heard, and | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
reports that parachutes were seen, possibly one of the crew is in the | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
hands of one of the militia groups on the ground in Turkey. | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
hands of one of the militia groups were actually to be dead, lost, | :06:05. | :06:10. | |
handed over perhaps to some unpleasant organisation or whatever, | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
clearly that would compound the problem. If the Russians were able | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
to get their crew back safely, assuming that the two of them are | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
actually alive, clearly that would go some way to mitigate the drama. | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
Thank you very much. This just in, this is being reported by Reuters | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
about something that is happening in Libya. A car bomb has killed five | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
guards, it's being reported, at a checkpoint in Tripoli. | :06:37. | :06:45. | |
That is all we know at the moment. That is being reported by Reuters. | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
More on that to come. Now later this week a cricket | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
tournament for underprivileged teenagers will get underway | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
in the United Arab Emirates. There is a warning so-called legal | :06:57. | :07:07. | |
highs are leading to violence in prisons. A drugs charity is | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
concerned about the effects of the drugs and the gangs connected to | :07:11. | :07:15. | |
dealing. The charity which helps prisoners addicted to drugs says in | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
the past year, it's seen a seven-fold increase in the number of | :07:20. | :07:25. | |
people coming to it for help with new psychoactive substances like | :07:26. | :07:30. | |
Spice. Radio 1 Newsbeat's Jim Connolly has been speaking to one | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
person who was addicted to Spice. I'm Dave, I'm 29, originally from | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
London, I'm now in Hull, welcome to the Bridges in Hull, a residential | :07:44. | :07:52. | |
centre. Went to prison in 2012, I was a drug addict, alcoholic. I went | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
in and I thought I was going to be able to get away from drink and | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
drugs, stuff like that. When I went into prison, I was still smoking | :08:04. | :08:10. | |
cannabis. Then I came into this connection with legal highs, Spice. | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
It's known as prison crack, green crack, whatever you want to call it | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
really. It's so addictive that I found it more addictive to me than | :08:22. | :08:26. | |
what I did when I was on crack from the age of 14. You can get it | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
anywhere. You can get that more than what you can your dinner! You always | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
know where the dinners are, but there's so much of it that you don't | :08:36. | :08:40. | |
know where it's coming from. There's a lot of fights going on, people | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
getting in debt for Spice, people liking like they are having heart | :08:47. | :08:54. | |
attacks on it. People are vomiting, they're passing through bales and | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
it's just so addictive. Once you get it in your system, you can't stop. | :09:00. | :09:08. | |
Let's talk to Dan Rolfe who's spent in total 27 years in jail and was | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
released last December. He swapped crack cocaine and heroin inside for | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
the legal high, Spice. During his last prison sentence for commercial | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
burglary that happened. It's believed Spice is a at pandemic | :09:23. | :09:31. | |
levels in prison. Dan, tell us about taking spice and how you got it when | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
inside? It literally came into my path the moment I walked in the | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
prison. There is so much of it in there that, you know, the people | :09:42. | :09:48. | |
selling it are always looking for new customers because there's so | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
much of it. Never known anything like it. Coming in from the visitors | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
or people who work? The majority get thrown over the wall because it's so | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
cheap to buy. If they lose two thirds of it, they are still making | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
five times what they paid, you know. The money in it is unbelievable. How | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
do you pay for it when you're inside? You get family and friends | :10:12. | :10:18. | |
to put money in bank accounts, tattooing, other services, you know. | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
Why did you swap to Spice? Mainly because it doesn't show up on urine | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
tests so I didn't lose any time on it. I lost a lot of time in the past | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
through positive tests. What effect would you say it has on inmates? The | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
psychosis is the worst thing, people passing out, falling down stairs and | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
people getting their hands shut in doors over like ?50 quid because the | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
violence makes sure people pay. So the violence emanates from the fact | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
that people need to be paid for delivering the Spice to fellow | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
inmates, rather than the effect of the drug on someone making them | :10:58. | :11:04. | |
violent? It depends because I know people with mental health issues and | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
when they take Spice, they become very violent, antisocial, you know, | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
it depends on the chemical make-up. How much do you think you took? Oh, | :11:14. | :11:22. | |
I smoke at least two or three grammes a day, every day. What | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
effect did it have on you? I don't know, it makes me very antisocial. | :11:29. | :11:36. | |
Very guarded, don't trust nobody, paranoia. And now do, you take it | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
now you're on the outside? No, I haven't touched anything in a long | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
time now. I went through the drug programme in prison. We'll talk to | :11:48. | :11:54. | |
Mike now. You say this is at pandemic proportions? Yes, the | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
prisons are flooded with it at the moment. We are hearing these | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
problems, we have the same problems in Scotland, Ireland, private and | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
public sector jails. If people are chubbing it over the walls, that's | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
not that difficult to pick up from a prison officer's point of view is | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
it? No, you are right, but the resources are being cut drastically, | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
we have had year on year budget cuts, major efficiencies, you need | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
to put the resource in to manage the new policies. What effect is it | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
having on people in jail and why should law-abiding citizens be | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
bothered if inmates are taking Spice? They should be bothered | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
because it's stopping people being able to rehabilitate effectively. By | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
the use of spice, they are creating a violent atmosphere in prison, | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
creating gangs, there is a massive trade of illegal substances coming | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
into prison so that is creating a more criminality within a prison | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
environment and that's not helping anyone to rehabilitate, so when | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
getting released, they are keeping these addictions. Dan is out and | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
it's better for him not to be in jail in terms of that addiction and | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
the effect it's having on him and others? Of course and it's cheaper | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
to pick the substances up in the outside world than in prisons, it's | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
up to 18 times the cost it is on the street Valin side a prison. Right. | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
Mike, the effect of spice on people, Dan's just given us an insight, what | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
would you say? I back up what Dan is saying, we are seeing a lot more | :13:26. | :13:32. | |
drugs in prisons and also a lot more violent incidents or emergency | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
hospital admissions relating to the use of spice so it's grown in our | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
experience about six or seven fold in the last year. OK. I think it's | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
worth saying what is K spice? It's not an easy answer, it first came | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
into prison as something that was chemical constituents that mimic the | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
effects of strong cannabis so it's a colourless liquid sprayed on plant | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
material but it's now a generic name to call for anything that's chemical | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
in that prison because it's that vibrant a market. In terms of the | :14:03. | :14:08. | |
solution, Mike from the Prison Officers' Association, are you | :14:09. | :14:11. | |
saying we need more money and prison officers? Yes, that is part of the | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
solution, but we also need to get the message out to prisoners of the | :14:15. | :14:21. | |
harmful effects of Spice. Spice by the probation report released last | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
harmful effects of Spice. Spice by year says 19 deaths were | :14:26. | :14:26. | |
harmful effects of Spice. Spice by with it. I'm aware of | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
incidents, colleagues that have been retired as a result of assaults from | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
inmates that have become paranoid whilst using Spice | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
inmates that have become paranoid many prisoners out to hospital. So | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
it's not just the prison, it's the wider community, the prison | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
officers, when a prisoner has been using Spice in prison, we are having | :14:46. | :14:48. | |
to take those people out into hospitals, creating a massive cost | :14:49. | :14:51. | |
to wider society. Thank you, gentlemen. | :14:52. | :14:58. | |
Let's bring you more on the news that Turkey says it shot down a | :14:59. | :15:03. | |
Russian military jet that violated its airspace. This is from Moscow, | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
it is being reported on Reuters, President Putin's spokesman has | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
called the downing of the Russian warplanes a very serious incident, | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
but said it was too early to talk and conclusions. Presumably that is | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
to do with the circumstances of the downing of the plane. Quote, it is | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
impossible to say something without having full information, says | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
President Putin's spokesperson. In Ankara, meanwhile, they say that | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
Turkish fighter jets shot down the Russian warplanes near the Syrian | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
border after repeatedly warning it after it violated its airspace. They | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
say they gave the pilots ten warnings, ten opportunities to get | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
out of Turkish space. The Russian defence Ministry said, though, that | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
they can prove it plane had not strayed into Turkish airspace. | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
Meanwhile, the fate of the two pilots not yet known at the moment. | :15:56. | :16:00. | |
It is being reported on one TV channel in Saudi Arabia that one has | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
died, and it is being reported elsewhere that one pilot is in | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
captivity in the mountainous area of the - Syria border. | :16:09. | :16:15. | |
More as we get it, obviously -- the Turkey - Syria border. | :16:16. | :16:18. | |
Coming up, watch what happens when The Saturdays singer Frankie Bridge | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
confronts a troll. She herself has been a victim of online abuse and | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
speaks to a troll about why he insults complete strangers. | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
Turkey says it's shot down a military jet that violated | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
Russia says the downed plane is one of | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
its Sukhoi Su-24s, but it was shot down from the ground over Syria. | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
Russian military helicopters are searching for the pilots, | :16:47. | :16:48. | |
One is reported dead, another is reported captured by Syrian rebels. | :16:49. | :16:57. | |
Forensic experts in Paris are examining what's thought to be | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
decided not to blow himself up. Abdeslam in Belgium, which remains | :17:04. | :17:16. | |
under lockdown. Residents in Brussels have told us how they are | :17:17. | :17:18. | |
affected. We just stay at home, and we wait. | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
If we don't We just stay at home, and we wait. | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
preferred to stay inside to avoid any risk. Obviously I'm a bit | :17:27. | :17:33. | |
shocked will stop Saturday, in front of my apartment, there were police, | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
a black car with big men with machine guns. We just keep on going. | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
We are stronger than ever. I have a 14-year-old daughter, she has to go | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
on the Metro, she has to go. She has to go to school, and I tell her, | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
don't panic about a terrorist, but be panicked about panic, because | :17:58. | :17:58. | |
they want to scare us. The Children's Commissioner for | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
England says 85% of cases of child A study found that while 50,000 | :18:02. | :18:03. | |
children were identified as being abused over a two-year | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
period, the true figure was more Police searching for a student who | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
went missing in Sheffield on Sunday 18-year-old Caroline Everest was | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
last seen in a nightclub The body, which is yet to be | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
formally identified, was discovered in a river | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
in the early hours of this morning. EasyJet has announced that it is | :18:28. | :18:30. | |
cancelling all its flights to and from Sharm el-Sheikh | :18:31. | :18:40. | |
until January 6th. It follows the crash of a Russian | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
airliner last month, believed to Monarch | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
and British Airways are stopping Those are the news headlines, now | :18:46. | :18:57. | |
for the rest of the sport. These are the headlines this | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
morning, a big night for the English teams in the Champions League. | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
Arsenal could fail to reach the knockout stage for the first time in | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
13 years even if they beat Dinamo Zagreb at home. | :19:09. | :19:11. | |
Chelsea are in Israel, despite their poor form in the Premier League | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
victory for Jose Mourinho's side could see them progress to the last | :19:16. | :19:18. | |
16. Sunderland are up to a deep in the | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
Premier League after their first away win of the season. Jermain | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
Defoe got the only goal of the game in the last ten minutes against | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
Crystal Palace. Sunderland now one point of safety. | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
David Habel returned to the rink in January, he says he wants to claim | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
back his title. It is his first fighting over three years. | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
Tyson Fury, you is challenging Vladimir Critchlow for the world | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
heavyweight title next weekend, says boxing has a big doping problem and | :19:53. | :19:56. | |
it may be fairer to legalise it. The British boxing board of control says | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
the comments are unfounded and their doping controls are just as tight as | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
any other sport. Those are the sports headlines this | :20:04. | :20:04. | |
morning. Thank you. | :20:05. | :20:13. | |
As we have reported, a Russian fighter jet has been downed by | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
Turkey's forces on the border with Syria. | :20:19. | :20:20. | |
Let's get the latest from Moscow and our correspondent there | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
Tell us what the Russians are claiming? The Russian defence | :20:24. | :20:30. | |
ministry put out a statement fairly quickly saying that, yes, a Russian | :20:31. | :20:41. | |
plane, a macro -- Sukhoi Su-24 jet, had come down, but rather than | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
confirming it had been shot down by Turkish fighter jets, they said it | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
had apparently been shot down from the ground, apparently saying rebel | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
forces in Syria had brought down the plane. | :20:54. | :20:55. | |
We have had no further clarification of that since the official statement | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
but we understand from the Russian defence Ministry that they claim | :20:59. | :21:07. | |
they did not violate the Turkish border, that they were flying at | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
6000 metres and the Russians said both pilots did reject, but they | :21:12. | :21:14. | |
don't know what happened to them after that. It is a statement which | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
directly contradicts what the Turks have been saying, which is that two | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
of their fighter jets warned this Russian plane ten times within some | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
minutes that they had violated Turkish airspace and that then the | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
plane was shot down under what Turkey says are the rules of | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
engagement. An extremely delicate situation, an extremely difficult | :21:36. | :21:38. | |
situation for the politicians to handle. | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
Thank you very much. Let's talk to our security | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
correspondent, Frank Gardner. What do you make of this? | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
There is a massive gap between the two versions of the story. Either | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
Ankara is wrong or Moscow is wrong, there is no common ground. If it was | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
shot down at 6000 metres, that is higher than any surface to air | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
missile that the rebels are known to control in that part of Syria, which | :22:07. | :22:14. | |
is a bit odd. Turkey says that it warned the plane ten times in five | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
minutes to leave its territory. That has not been corroborated by the | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
Russians. This is the last thing that the coalition needs in trying | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
to fight so-called Islamic state. President Hollande is seen President | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
Putin on Thursday, and I think there will be enormous pressure from | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
European leaders to try to calm this down and stop the Russians from | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
retaliating, because they will be very angry about this. Turkey has | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
been extremely defensive about its border, it has already in the past | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
summoned the Russian ambassador, last Friday, to the Foreign Ministry | :22:49. | :22:51. | |
complaining about Russian air strikes on rebels on that side of | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
the border, pointing out there are no Islamic State forces in that | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
area, and that it worries about the impact on refugees coming across its | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
own border. In a way, this was almost like an accident waiting to | :23:05. | :23:06. | |
happen. Thank you very much, Frank Gardner, | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
security correspondent. It is being reported by Reuters, video sent by a | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
Syrian rebel group to Reuters, claims to show one of the Russian | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
pilots in mobile on the ground. An official from the group says he | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
is dead. Not sure about the fate of the other, although reported earlier | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
that he was in the hands of one of the rebel groups. | :23:31. | :23:33. | |
Hopefully not Isis, given what happened to the Jordanian pilot in | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
January, they burnt alive in a cage. But these are different rebel | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
groups, they will not be particularly friendly towards the | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
Russians who are bombing them, so this is a very unpredictable, this | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
is how wars start, and obviously there was already a war in Syria, so | :23:50. | :23:59. | |
the last thing anybody needs is a dip in Matic let alone military | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
confrontation between Turkey and Russia. | :24:02. | :24:02. | |
Thank you for that. The Russian presidential press | :24:03. | :24:04. | |
secretary has just said it is too early to talk about a possible | :24:05. | :24:07. | |
worsening of relations with Turkey over the jet. | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
Let's talk now to Andrei Kolesnikov, a former Russian | :24:11. | :24:12. | |
journalist who runs the domestic politics programme at the Carnegie | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
Thank you very much for talking to us. You making of this? I think this | :24:16. | :24:27. | |
is quite bad for relations between Russia and Turkey. The relations | :24:28. | :24:36. | |
were quite bad until this incident, and it could be much worse. After | :24:37. | :24:46. | |
that incident. One more important thing is that the majority of | :24:47. | :24:58. | |
Russians are in an information war with the West, we are engaged in the | :24:59. | :25:07. | |
war in Syria, and all these wars, Ukraine, Cold War, war in Syria, was | :25:08. | :25:17. | |
without any victims. Now we can see that we have victims, and this is | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
trouble for the concept of victorious war, of the preventative | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
war. This is some kind of strategic trap for Putin and his inner | :25:32. | :25:37. | |
circle, which articulated this concept of victorious war. So in | :25:38. | :25:44. | |
order to prevent relations from getting any worse, what sort of | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
wisdom do we need from politicians with cool heads? Yes, this is really | :25:50. | :26:01. | |
a very difficult situation for both sides, if they want to prolong their | :26:02. | :26:13. | |
relations in the sphere of the war with Isis and so on. I can't even | :26:14. | :26:23. | |
imagine what Putin now can invent in order to explain that it wasn't an | :26:24. | :26:32. | |
intention of Russians to make some harm to Turkey. I think there could | :26:33. | :26:39. | |
be real diplomatic conflict with unpredictable consequences for this | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
relationship between Russia and Turkey. OK, thank you very much for | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
talking to us. Thank you for your time. | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
More to come, obviously, on that developing story before the end of | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
the programme. Later this week a cricket tournament | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
for underprivileged teenagers will get under way in the United Arab | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
Emirates, the result of months of work from former England cricket | :27:06. | :27:06. | |
captain Kevin Pietersen, who was left out of the squad last year. | :27:07. | :27:15. | |
His critics say he is arrogant and confrontational but many fans think | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
His critics say he is arrogant and he's England's's he arose, someone | :27:20. | :27:21. | |
who bought the game to the masses. He made his England | :27:22. | :27:24. | |
who bought the game to the masses. and was part of the team that | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
famously brought home the Ashes ten years ago. One of England's's | :27:28. | :27:34. | |
leading run scorer was, he hit 1181 runs in 104 tests, including 23 | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
centuries. He was sacked from the England setup last year at which | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
stage his international career appeared to be over. He then restart | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
autobiography criticising several England players, saying there was a | :27:47. | :27:49. | |
bullying culture in the dressing room. I deserve an opportunity, | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
after five or six years of character assassination after character | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
assassination, to get my side of events out. A clamour grew for him | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
to be recalled to the salt before this summer's Ashes after he hit 355 | :28:02. | :28:16. | |
not out the story against Leicestershire, which prompted a | :28:17. | :28:18. | |
meeting with the new director of cricket and former team-mate Andrew | :28:19. | :28:21. | |
Strauss. But Strauss decided not to recall the 35-year-old, and it is no | :28:22. | :28:23. | |
secret they do not get on. Everyone would agree that is the case. With | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
the players? Between Kevin and the board. Let's not run away from the | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
fact that that is the issue, that is the problem we need to aggressive | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
there is any future the cabin in English cricket. At the moment, we | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
are miles apart. Kevin Pietersen says he holds no grudges about the | :28:40. | :28:44. | |
decision and is focusing on other things, including a cricket | :28:45. | :28:46. | |
tournament for underprivileged teenagers in the United Arab | :28:47. | :28:48. | |
Emirates. Let's talk to him now to find out | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
more. Phil is in? Hi, thanks for having me. It is | :28:53. | :28:59. | |
more. Phil is in? Hi, thanks for kids around the world | :29:00. | :29:01. | |
more. Phil is in? Hi, thanks for travelled of international | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
cricketers were years, you see the opportunities that some of us have | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
had throughout our lives, I have also seen the | :29:09. | :29:08. | |
had throughout our lives, I have against, played with, had practice | :29:09. | :29:16. | |
had throughout our lives, I have is an opportunity to get back to | :29:17. | :29:17. | |
had throughout our lives, I have these kids, to help them along their | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
ways, take them to do by over the next ten days, 12 kids from six or | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
seven different countries, 16 to 18-year-olds. We have got them | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
passports and visas, they will come to do by, spend ten days, play a | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
global tournaments at the end. We will give scholarships to some of | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
the better players going forward and just help them on their way. We have | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
got some wonderful videos of kids from Bangladesh and Sri Lanka where | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
they talk about the opportunity, saying that it is not just them that | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
is proud, but their brothers, sisters, families and villages that | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
are proud. For me, I think this is probably going to be the proudest | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
week of my sporting career because it is not just about me but making | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
kids from different countries who don't have the opportunities and | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
access to this scheme, just making them happy, seeing them smile. | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
This is an absolutely amazing opportunity for the kids so all the | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
best to them for this tournament as well. You say this is the proudest | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
of your career. Since England dropped you, you've been working | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
around the world in T20 competitions, what is the difference | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
in feeling, I want you to describe your emotions here, the difference | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
in feeling when you pull on a shirt for the Durban Dolphins or | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
Melbourne, compared to a Surrey or Hampshire shirt or even the England | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
colours? It's pretty similar because I treat every single game like it's | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
my last and my work ethic whether I'm in Durban, India or the | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
Caribbean or playing for Surrey, I treat it exactly the same. I don't | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
create mountains out of mole hills, I don't let emotion take over so | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
playing for the Dolphins like I was last week in South Africa would be | :31:08. | :31:10. | |
the same as playing for Melbourne and the same for England because, if | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
you start trying to put things on different levels, you can complicate | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
things and I don't like to complicate things. You can also put | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
too much pressure on yourself. The pressure was on me playing for | :31:24. | :31:31. | |
England for ten years anyway, I felt the weight of expectation. Keep it | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
even peg and trust your practise and I think if my practise is good | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
enough, if I perform the next day I perform the next day but I couldn't | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
have done anything differently to get the results the next day so | :31:44. | :31:46. | |
there is no real difference. I understand. That is interesting. Are | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
you resigned to not playing for England again? I mean no, if it | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
happens it happens... Do you think it could? When I talk to | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
journalists, they ask that question, it's not something I wake up every | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
morning worrying about. I know. I wake up as happy as anything every | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
day with my life and if it happens over the next however many years | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
that I'm still playing cricket, it happens. If I have played my last | :32:15. | :32:23. | |
game, I have played my last game. But this project is making me so | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
happy this week. Quick question about England and South Africa, are | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
England mentally tough enough to take on South Africa and I know what | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
you think about Ian Bell being dropped, but answer the mentally | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
tough thing first of all? ! I think we lack experience in going to South | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
Africa. I think Cook's ander son and Broad are the only ones who've | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
played international cricket in South Africa so it's the experience | :32:50. | :32:53. | |
that we lack, but there are so many of us that got our predictions short | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
of time. Having played in South Africa over the last few weeks, it's | :33:00. | :33:02. | |
going to be tough, I know how hard South Africa is. I played my whole | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
career and never beat South Africa in a test r test series, so it's | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
going to be incredibly hard. It will be a good viewing spectacle. You | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
said it was pathetic that England dropped Ian Bell? When you are | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
playing against the best side in the world, you need experience. I saw | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
some of the runs he's got in the UAE, they were hard runs, you don't | :33:29. | :33:34. | |
just go to smash the 100, you've got to grind it out and he scored some | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
tough runs there. If he didn't score runs in any Test matches in South | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
Africa I would understand it more, before you go and embark on a | :33:44. | :33:46. | |
journey over two or three months in South Africa against the best team | :33:47. | :33:49. | |
in the world, you need experience. Thank you very much for talking to | :33:50. | :33:53. | |
us Kevin. Good luck with the tournament. Thank you very much. | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
What makes a troll send abusive messages? | :33:57. | :33:58. | |
Is it the thrill of the number of retweets? | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
That's what Saturday's singer Frankie Bridge tried to find out | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
when she exclusively confronted a troll for this programme. | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
Frankie has been trolled on social media herself, called "fat" | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
and told she'd "lost it" when she was pregnant with her young son. | :34:14. | :34:16. | |
Here's what happened when she met a troll who we've not | :34:17. | :34:18. | |
been able to identify for legal reasons; there's some | :34:19. | :34:20. | |
It was just to get a buzz, and people getting replies | :34:21. | :34:45. | |
Sometimes it does become a competition between trolls. | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
The buzz you say that you get, is that from being horrible to someone | :34:52. | :34:59. | |
It's from getting the retweets and the favourites. | :35:00. | :35:12. | |
Why do you think you enjoy the attention online? | :35:13. | :35:18. | |
Would you be like that to someone in person? | :35:19. | :35:20. | |
I've seen that you've said you would rape someone, and that you | :35:21. | :35:23. | |
Would you say that to someone in person? | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
So how come you feel it is OK online? | :35:28. | :35:33. | |
Did you never think about how it would make that person feel? | :35:34. | :35:41. | |
No, you don't think about what you're saying. | :35:42. | :35:58. | |
I've seen that you've said you would rape someone, and that you | :35:59. | :36:01. | |
Would you say that to someone in person? | :36:02. | :36:14. | |
Because I know from when people have said things to me... | :36:15. | :36:17. | |
They've never called me a bitch or said they're going to | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
These are just comments about the way I look or my personality or | :36:21. | :36:24. | |
something and that really hurt me, when I'm feeling insecure, when I'm | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
I'm there to be a singer, not there to be a perfect person. | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
It is hard when people say those comments to me. | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
But I can't even imagine how I would have felt if someone had said some | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
And as someone who's actually been bullied, do you not see that is just | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
as nasty, even though that's just on the internet? | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
That other person could actually hurt themselves | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
You can watch and share the full film on our | :36:51. | :36:56. | |
Frankie Bridge is with us now, along with Caroline Noakes, Conservative | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
MP and chair of a Parliamentary group looking at body image and Abby | :37:01. | :37:04. | |
Pell who was trolled after posting a picture of her six pack online with | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
the words 'I have a kid, a six-pack and no excuse'. | :37:08. | :37:10. | |
Frankie, what was it like meeting a troll? | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
He seemed quite apologetic but didn't give me any reasons for it | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
that I felt warranted what he'd been saying to people and a lot of it to | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
me just seemed like he did it for attention. Yes. Which is interesting | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
in itself, the fact that he wanted retweets or whatever, it's as | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
straightforward as that? Yes, people see that as some sort of thing to | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
make them popular. I find it weird that people see reality and the | :37:38. | :37:40. | |
Internet as two completely different things. I think it's really faceless | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
and I think he just saw it as a bit of fun and he liked the thrill of | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
not being able to get caught. Yes. The impact on you when you get | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
abusive messages, people say, it's part of the job, you are in the | :37:55. | :37:58. | |
public eye, you are a singer, it's inevitable, but tell us about the | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
impact on you? I think there is a line and sometimes it's crossed. I | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
think I started in this industry when I was 12 and around that time | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
there was no social media, I was really sheltered because I wasn't | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
really allowed to be put in magazines and things like that, so I | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
came into the Saturdays naively I think. I don't think it's right for | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
anyone to say, you know, I don't understand why you would want to say | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
those things to someone, why would you want to go out of your way to be | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
nasty. I know people sit and chat and say, hasn't she got fat, but to | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
actually say it so they know I've read it, that's what I found real hi | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
hard to get my head around. I don't think I'll ever understand that even | :38:41. | :38:47. | |
after meeting him. Caroline Noakes, is there a link between poor | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
self-esteem when it comes to body image and the kind of stuff that | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
goes on on social media? Absolutely and if you talk to teenagers they'll | :38:55. | :39:01. | |
freely tell you they never upload a photograph, photo shop or filter and | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
they are looking for approval and appreciation online which is tragic. | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
Is that social media's fault or the individual's fault? A combination. | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
We have a generation of teenagers that don't have confidence in | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
themselves and that's why the APPG is calling for statutory PSHE and | :39:17. | :39:26. | |
for lessons in... A lot of acronyms there, PHSG is a lesson Personal and | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
social health education. Where you talk about personal body image and | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
trolling and that kind of thing. Is your boss David Cameron listening to | :39:38. | :39:39. | |
you when you call for compulsory lessons in that? I'm working hard on | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
Nicky morgue tonne convince her that it's important, the Education | :39:45. | :39:46. | |
Secretary. We want the see this in schools and we want teenagers to be | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
equipped with the skills they'll need in an increasingly digital | :39:51. | :39:53. | |
world so they have the self-confidence and the belief in | :39:54. | :39:55. | |
themselveses to go out and face the world and go out and pay productive | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
person in society to get jobs and it's terrifying when you hear there | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
are as many as 60% of girls too afraid to put their hands up in | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
school or don't take part in PE because they are worried they'll be | :40:12. | :40:16. | |
bullied or body shamed. You think the police and social media should | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
work together more quickly to take down abusive stuff? I don't | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
understand the ins and outs of the Internet but I know you can close | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
down someone's account if they say something abusive but they can make | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
a new one and I don't know if there is any way to be able to stop that. | :40:33. | :40:38. | |
When a line is crossed, the police should get involved. Abby what was | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
it that made trolls attack you online? Just myself putting myself | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
out there for criticism as it were and I think it was mainly the image | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
that I put up with the caption. Did you want to wind people up? No, not | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
at all. What did you think would happen? As I mum, when I was | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
pregnant, I thought it wasn't necessary to get in good shape | :41:06. | :41:11. | |
afterwards so I was proud of myself so it wasn't intended on boasting, | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
to say look at me, it was to say if you are a mum or young girl worried | :41:17. | :41:19. | |
about getting pregnant it's not the end of the world and it's possible. | :41:20. | :41:22. | |
You can have children and still work hard on your fitness and things like | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
that and achieve it. I wonder if that is having the same effect on | :41:28. | :41:35. | |
some people, like we are discussing now, you know, the perfect image in | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
magazines and so forth, you know, you look great, you are showing it | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
to other people and they are thinking, oh, my gosh. Yes, I | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
understand that but I was putting it in a way that, this isn't a | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
photo-shopped or filtered image, I'm proud of my achievement, you know, | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
to do with health and fitness, it wasn't about make-up or photo-shop | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
filters. Can I ask you about photo-shopping because you have been | :42:03. | :42:06. | |
photo-shopped, do you feel like you have a responsibility when it comes | :42:07. | :42:12. | |
to that, could you stop magazines putting in photo-shopped pictures of | :42:13. | :42:14. | |
you? I think it would be hard to. Why? I think as much as you saw in | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
the programme people want to buy the magazines with people looking fat or | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
whatever on the front, there is a side where people enjoy looking at | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
the nice images or whatever, whatever you want to call it. I | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
think it would be hard to get everyone to kind of stick together | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
and stop retouching. If one person does it and you get trolled for the | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
way you look, why are you going to want to, because is everyone going | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
to be horrible and call you names. It's a double-edged sword. If | :42:46. | :42:48. | |
everyone got together and did it yes, but it would be hard. It would | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
work. Caroline, what do you think, because your group looked at this? | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
The be Real campaign has been about convincing the advertising industry | :43:01. | :43:06. | |
to cut down on the eshoping, or if you don't, have a liable saying it's | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
been digitally altered. Be transparent. Chai says emotional and | :43:11. | :43:19. | |
empowering, your film, another viewer says don't let others | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
determine your self-esteem. Dean says, Frankie it's great to confront | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
these insecure idiots that gain pleasure in hurting others. On | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
Facebook, Diane says it's right that you address the issue, no-one | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
deserves such abuse and these infantile trolls should be stopped. | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
Interesting to know how they would feel if a member of their family | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
were targeted. Thank you very much for coming in. Joanna is presenting | :43:43. | :43:51. | |
the programme for the next week or so while I continue breast cancer | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
treatment. Enjoy the rest of your day. | :43:56. | :44:02. | |
Even at lunch, you see them running around, doing interviews | :44:03. | :44:10. | |
They're really engaging with the world around them. | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
And it builds so many skills, researching stories, | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
discussing and presenting, but also giving them memories for life. | :44:19. | :44:22. |