27/11/2015 Victoria Derbyshire

We can briefly look at some pictures from Paris where the national

memorial service is about to get underway.

Now on BBC News it's time for the Victoria Derbyshire programme.

This is the scene from Paris where a national memorial

service is being held for the 130 people who died in the

The Labour Party is in turmoil over air strikes in Syria.

A warning of resignations from the Shadow Cabinet after Jeremy

Corbyn writes to MP's explaining why he won't support greater British

One group of influential Syrians tells us they want

the government to come up with a proper political solution to

Plus the scammers tricking victims who are searching

The first thing you think is how could I have been so stupid, sending

him money three times. He was pushing for more and when I told him

I would not pay again, he became abusive.

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faces the threat of resignations from his shadow cabinet over his

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the 130 people killed in the attacks two weeks ago.

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Two people are due to be sentenced today for their part

in what is thought to be Britain's biggest ever romance scam.

Romance fraud is where one person makes another believe they're

in love with them, only to exploit the relationship for money.

In this instance, the victim was conned out of

one point six million

pounds after falling for a man she met on an internet dating site.

more than three thousand cases of suspected romance crime in

this cost victims more than thirty-two million pounds.

But how do scammers go about tricking their victims?

BBC reporter Angus Crawford has seen their tactics first-hand,

You put up your profile on several dating sites. What do you think of

this guy? He says hello beautiful, what does

he say about himself? He is introducing the subject of

money very quickly. Hello Daniel. How are you? You have

a nice voice, wow. With ?50? Hi Daniel, my name is

Angus Crawford, I'm from the BBC, we know that you are a scammer.

Daniel has put down the phone, he is not an American soldier in Nigeria,

is just a scammer trying to get money out of lonely, vulnerable

women. Angus Crawford there,

exposing an online dating scammer. He told me in the first message that

the receiving end of such a scam? He told me in the first message that

he was American, living in California.

He sounded nice, decent, he sounded like an interesting person that you

could talk with. How quickly did you start to enjoy talking to him? My

common-sense was telling me that something was not writing this

story, he sounded too much like movie character. He supposedly had a

son located in Ghana living with a caretaker. When that Sun was calling

my phone and he was calling me mum, the fact that I didn't have children

but I had always wanted them, in my case that was the game. All of the

money requests were revolving around the sun, because the scammer was

smart enough to know that if he asked me for money for himself it

wouldn't work. Tell me out the money requests? The first one was when the

sun was having his birthday. He was cleaning of having an iPad. --

dreaming of having an iPad. So yes, no big deal I sent the money. The

next request is when the sun had an accident at school, and he injured

his head, he needed surgery and they requested money for the surgery.

After that, it was nice and smooth for two weeks. And then,

the son had got cholera and I was thinking that something was not

right. When you finally discovered this was all a lie, what did that do

to you? Well, it was not a pleasant feeling. The first thing you think

is how could I have been so stupid? After sending him money three

times, he was pushing for more and when I told him I would not pay

again he became abusive. So just how common is online dating

fraud and what can we do to tackle it? With me, is a chief executive of

a dating agency and a lady who lost ?8,000. And another man, who is the

owner of scams survivors .com. First of all Barry, you lost ?8,000, tell

me. I had been widowed for dossiers and I decided with loss of my

girlfriends that we would try online dating. -- two of my girlfriends.

Quite early on, I came across somebody, similar to what you had

seen, was the soldier in Baghdad. He was widowed, his wife had died in a

car crash, and he was alone in the world. That triggered that sense of

aloneness because mum is my middle name in many ways. He very quickly

said, I only want to chat with you, you are the only person that I want

to see. He's younger than me and I was very flattered by it and the

picture I had, was dropped dead gorgeous. And my friends were

saying, trust you Valerie. And then he would tell me when he was going

out on mission and I would set up all night to wait for him to e-mail

me to say that he was safe. When I drove anywhere, because he's wife

died in a car crash I would tell him when I had written that I was safe.

This was only about a month when this started to happen, we started

to talk about what would happen in the future. At that point, when I

had been widowed I had already lost my home and my car because my

husband had died of cancer, and we had spent everything to try and find

a cure for him. So I kind of had that pattern anyway, he said, it was

really classic comedies said, when he came home, we would look to buy a

house. Ira member saying, I have very little, I don't have a home

very more. He said, I don't mind babe, which I read loved when he

called me babe. He said I want us to buy a house. That was that. That is

how he built the story, then he started to talk about a fellow

officer in the Army who had made some money with this deal, he was

weaving you in. What happened was, he told me about this, and I said,

beware of being scammed. He actually e-mailed me saying, how could people

do such a terrible thing. And ie not back, and I said they came from very

poor countries and there was an issue there. It is the same

effectively as what we have seen? It is the same story, what we have seen

on screen, is intelligent people with triggers, and those triggers

are being pressed. It is that sense of targeting and behaviours. The

other side of the coin, 10 million people, are dating, they are not all

being scammed. That is why we have got to keep it safe precisely for

the reasons we are talking about. Wayne is part of a scam support

group, is it always easy to spot? It can be but then again it can't.

There are certain things that you need to look out for, you can read

them on the forums. Are people being caught because of the companies

being vigilant or is it always after somebody has been scammed? They

usually come to us after they have been scammed, some will feel

suspicious, but in most cases it is people who have already been

scammed. If it is relatively easy to spot, what are the companies doing?

I think there are two things that you have to do, the bit that you

cannot see is all of the attempts that are identified or blocked. The

first associate member of our association, they do software around

online dating and scammed a section. We will be looking at the profile,

the messaging, the visual stuff, checking all of those things.

Because, we want that, to weed out a bunch of people to try and keep the

sites safe and great and fun. Nothing is 100%, this is life. Here

is the advice and guidance that we give about staying online, using the

service that the dating company provides. Not chatting on Facebook,

and private numbers. What advice would you give? Classic lead, never

send any money. Never ever. I know how hard that is because it took me

a long time to actually be able to say, I would relate to the woman in

the article because you just feel an idiot. There is also, look at the

language that someone is using. Does it make sense in English. What is

the spelling like, I know that we don't teach spelling. There are tips

like that, it is something that is within you, looking at your own

need. I was lonely, this was something that triggered me. I think

another important thing is, don't let it spoil the rest of your life.

That is good advice, thank you all. Thank you all very much.

France is remembering the 130 people who lost their lives in the Paris

Survivors and families of victims have been invited to

the event which is being held at the at Les Invalides in the city.

President Francois Hollande is due to speak at the special service.

Ben Brown is in Place de la Republique where people are

And we will be bringing you coverage of the service over the next half

hour. Francois Hollande will be speaking for 20 minutes during that

service, he has urged every French citizen to take part by flying the

French trick of law. -- the French flag.

Yes you join us at the Zabaleta lead in the heart of Paris, in this

majestic splendour, it is the backdrop, for this National Service

of remembrance, by President Hollande, and the former president

of France Nicolas Sarkozy. And also the relatives of the 130 people who

lost the lives in the attacks two weeks ago and also some of the

survivors will be here as well. Many of the survivors in fact still in

hospital, being treated for their wounds, some seriously ill. Those

who have been able to make it will be here at this National Service of

remembrance. President Hollande has asked that people right across

France trade the national flag, the red white and blue across their

homes and businesses so that this is a day of remembrance for the victims

of the Paris attacks two weeks on, not just here in Paris, but indeed

right across the country. I am joined outside Les Invalides, by a

French journalist, who was caught up in the attacks. As one of the

survivors, it must have been a very traumatic night, two weeks on what

are your thoughts? Thankfully I decided not to go to the bar, where

I was going to go to a birthday, where the attack happened. But I

still got caught in the area because I was going later. Thankfully I did

not see any corpses lying on the ground, unlike my friends who did

see those dreadful scenes. It was a scary night. A night I will never

forget, just like the rest of France because these are unprecedented

attacks against France, in the wake of the attacks it just seemed like

the whole nation is getting together.

What does this mean for the Paris and France? Is it cathartic? Maybe

France tries to get some closure? Absolutely, closure is the keyword,

two weeks after the attacks. 130 dead we all know and Paris who knows

someone who knows someone. We all know people who got injured. We have

all been affected by this story. It hit the neighbourhood where I was

born and brought up, the area of la Republique. More than half of the

victims were under 35. That is why the French need to unite and stick

together in difficult times. It is important that the French president

has Napoleon's ashes were brought.

Usually you play tribute to military men but the victims who died fell

for France and that is the symbol of this remembrance service here at Les

Invalides in the heart of Paris. President Hollande, we can see the

motorcycle riders, some of the dignitaries arriving here at Les

Invalides. He has declared this state of emergency, for three

months, how nervous are people feeling one fortnight on from the

attacks? One or two of the attackers could still be at large, are people

nervous? People are nervous and the state of emergency could be extended

more than three months. That is what has been announced yesterday. You

have less people taking the metro. Some people do not go to bars any

more and stay at home. You do notice that restaurants are emptier than

usual. There is this sense of anxiety. People are slightly skewed.

Life is getting back to normal slowly. It will take time for the

French to come to terms with what happened. This was unprecedented,

Paris has never seen such attacks on its soil. Especially when you see

those committed by terrorists, some of them were born in France and

working for the public transport service. People are scared. It is

nice to see the scenes with people behind us with the French flags.

This is not something we do in France very often. It is not like

the United States. We do not have software to grind the French flag

and not every family has a French flag at home. President Hollande, we

have seen him getting out his khaki at Les Invalides. One family at

least are boycotting the service, blaming the French government,

saying they should've done more to prevent the terror attacks after

Charlie Hebdo. How much anger is there with the feelings of security

services? What has to be said is the political unity crumbled very

quickly. As early as Sunday, two days after the attacks, the

centre-right opposition party with former President Nicolas Sarkozy

criticised the government with drastic ages needing to be brought

in. Not enough security was given to the French people in the wake of the

Charlie Hebdo attacks. That was very important and that is why one family

who has decided to boycott this event. They feel more should've been

done to prevent attacks. Just listen to the French national anthem that

is plain. The food ceremony here at Les

Invalides, the French national anthem being played, we can hear the

name of all of the victims that lost their lives. -- the full ceremony.

Their names will be read out alphabetically and there will be

one-minute silence. Let us talk to the French journalist with me who

was caught up in the attacks. Important really, do you think, for

the French authorities to have the service with all the ceremony we

concede here? It is not just any day of remembrance, this is in the heart

of Paris on a day of majestic ceremony in majestic surroundings.

Les Invalides behind us that honours the military men, Napoleon's ashes

were brought here. This is the most prestigious tribute you can make and

the best way to honour these victims, these 130 victims. It is

very important to have the families of these victims, relatives, friends

and survivors here. It will bring closure to the French people,

hopefully. Showing these victims and their families that the French state

does think about them and that it is very important for the French nation

as a whole, and that is why you have so many French flags out today in

the heart of Paris in Les Invalides. And the whole of France is thinking

about these people. Across France you will have French flags. There is

a wave of patriotism in the wake of these attacks. We are just listen

now to a bit more of the service as it gets under way.

what are at Les Invalides of the National service of remembrance for

those who lost their lives in the Paris attacks two weeks ago. The

deadliest attack on France since the Second World War. The deadliest

terrorist attack in Europe since the Madrid train bombings of 2004.

We were seeing just then some of the pictures of the names of those who

died, so many young people. The average age was just 35 years old.

We will listen in now, because they are reading alphabetically the names

of all of the victims of those who died that night.

(NAMES AND AGES OF VICTIMS READ OUT) (NAMES AND AGES OF VICTIMS READ OUT)

Will TRANSLATION: Friday the 13th of November, this data we will never

forget. France was struck in an act of war organised from far-away and

carried out in cold blood by an assassin. He killed 130 of hours and

injured thousands. Today, the whole nation, all the nation is forced to

remember the victims, 130 lives taken away from us. 130 laughs that

we will never heard again, 130 voices have been killed for ever.

These women and men, represent the joy of life, that is why they were

killed and because it was France. They represented liberty and they

were massacred. During this serious and painful time, we are the nation

comes together, I offer my compassion and affection to the

families and the close ones who have came here today to share the same

pain. The parents who will never see their children. Children who will

grow up without their parents. Couples who have been torn apart by

losing loved ones. Sisters and brothers have been separated for

ever. 130 dead and scores of injured who have been scarred forever,, ties

to within themselves. -- traumatised. I would like to see

these words, France will be on your side. We will bring together our

forces to alleviate the pain and after having buried the dead, it is

our duty to happen... I solemnly promise you that France will put

everything at its disposal towards the army who have carried out these

crimes. It will operate relentlessly. I promise you that

France will stay France, the same France that those who have been

taken away from loved. And if there was one reason for us to stand up

today, one reason to fight for our principles, one reason to defend

this republic which is our common republic, people find it in their

memories. These women and men who have come from 150 communities in

France, cities, suburbs, villages. They have also came from all over

the world, 17 countries today share the pain with others. These women

and these men. On Friday the 13th of November where in Paris, a city that

shines a light of ideas, that changed during the day and the

night, they were at the cafe terraces, a place for ideas and

meetings. They shared and savoured meals on this evening of Opurum. In

the Bataclan, listening to an American band that showed them

friendship. These women and men of all ages. The majority were under 35

years old. They were children when the Berlin Wall fell.

world. We understood that the world is threatened by new perils on the

11th of September ten. France was the enemy of no people.

The soldiers operate wherever they are asked to do to protect the weak

but not to impose its domination. These women and men represented the

youth of France. The youth of a free people who loved culture, its

culture. Which means all of the cultures. Amongst the victims of the

Bataclan, a lot of them choose to use music as the job. It was the

music that was the target of the terrorists. It was this harmony they

wanted to break. It was this happiness that they wanted to

eradicate with the damage of the bombs. To answer them better, we

will multiply our songs, our concerts, our spectacles. We will

continue to go to the stadiums, especially the much loved stadiums

like the Stade de France and Saint Denis, and we can also show the same

emotions by showing our differences, our origins, other colours, our

creeds and faith. We are one and the same nation. What do the terrorists

want? To divide us? To depose us? To make us fight against each other?

They will fail. They have the cult of death but we have got to love,

the love of life. Those who were killed on the 13th of November where

France, the whole of France, they were students,, engineers, graphic

designers, waiters, photographers. Publicists. They represented the

jobs and the talents of France and the jobs in France. All of them for

their families and the country. By remembering their faces, the names

and also their hopes and joy. We will act tomorrow. Our enemies

incarnated height. -- height. Those killed in London or Paris or

Madrid, the enemy is fanaticism. That wants to subjugate mankind to

an inhuman order. It is an Islam that denies the second message of

Islam. We will prevail together with our forces, the forces of the

Republic, with our arms, the arms of democracy, with our institutions,

and the wrong hands of the right. In this fight, we can count on our

military engaging in difficult operations in Syria, in Iraq. We can

count on our police forces as well as the judicial system who have

braved -- behaved in an admirable way to make sure that the terrorists

are dealt with. We can count on our Parliament to adopt all of the

measures that call for the defence of the interests of the country

within the national concord and also the respect of the fundamental

liberty and we can count on each French man and woman to be

vigilant, to be resolute, to show humanity and dignity. We will carry

on this fight until the end and we will win by staying faithful to the

idea of France. Which is to live with a relentless willingness to be

together. An attachment to the nation. Confidence in our collective

fate. I can affirm to you we will not change. They will remain united.

-- we will remain united around what matters. I salute before your

families gestures from so many friends who came to light a candle

to lay some flowers. Or to do something to express their feelings

to qualify this gesture and the word fraternity. What can I say about the

mobilisation of all of all the come to the rescue of the victims? To

accompany those who survived, to console the loved ones. This

admirable gesture, also expresses what we are, a united country which

is happened since the 13th of November. It represents the gravity

and the challenges that are facing the country. Those who fell victim

on the 13th of November incarnated our values and our duty more than

ever which is to make sure these values live and we will not give in

to either fear or hatred. If angle at overcomes us, we should remain

composed. -- anger. We should defend liberty every single day. The will

to make Frans a great country, proud of its history, way of life,

culture, universal presence and the inspiration that our country gets --

gives to the country whenever it is hurt. I cannot forget the images

from all over the world who joined us in the same movement and to

memorise those who fell in Paris as if the entire world was in mourning.

The patriotism that we are witnessing today is manifested with

the flanks that have adorned the entire country. People singing the

national anthem. This has nothing to do with any instinct of revenge,

this patriotism is the symbol of our unity and our admirable persistence

in the face of the strike that could happen to us. France will remain

intact despite the tragedy, despite the blood that has been shared

because of its principal of hope and tolerance. The tragedy has touched

us all, the families first and the French, irrespective of the creed,

origin, confession, it has touched us but it will make us stronger. I

am going to tell you my confidence in the next generation. That

generation knew at an early age tragic events that actually formed

the identity. The attack on the 13th of November will remain in the

memory of today's youth as a terrible initiation about the

harshness of the world. But also to invent a new commitment. I know that

this generation will solemnly carry the flame that we will transfer.

It'll have the courage to take on hand at the future of our nation.

The pain that has touched the martyrs of the 13th of November has

invested in this youth. Liberty should not be avenged but it should

be served. I salute this new generation, it has been hit but it

has not been covered. this generation will climb short

show proof of grandeur, it will live, in the name of the dead that

we will commemorate today, despite the tears, this generation has today

the Republic, long-lived France. -- long live France

(FRENCH NATIONAL ANTHEM MILITARY BAND STYLE)

so the Marseillaise played again here at Les Invalides, in the court

of honour, one of 15 courtyards inside Les Invalides, a setting for

this national day of remembrance. We were listening there to President

Hollande, a very powerful and emotional speech by him. He was

talking about how France would not give in to fear or to hatred, the

whole world is in mourning. The enemy he said is fanaticism, that

wants to subjugate mankind. He said, we will prevail with our forces.

They want to divide us, said President Hollande, they will fail,

they have the cult of death, he said, but we have love, the love of

life. He talked about the 130 victims, those that lost their lives

in these attacks. President Hollande, who is now leaving Les

Invalides, he talked about how, there were parents who would never

see their children again, children who would never see their parents

again. Couples that have been torn apart by the terror attacks of two

weeks ago. He promised, the relatives of the dead who were

thereat the service in the heart of Paris that France would be on their

side. France would do everything, she said, it could to destroy the

fanatics. But France he also promised, would stay the same

France, the same France of those who had died, and loved. 130 people from

17 different countries who lost their lives, two weeks ago, and he

said that all of France shares their pain. He pointed out that the

majority of the victims had been under the age of 35. The main target

of the terrorists, he said, had been the happiness, of those people, who

were out on a Friday night, enjoying rock music at the Bataclan, a meal

in a cafe or a restaurant, or a drink, or watching the football

match. At the Stade de France. They want to divide us, said President

Hollande, but they will fail. It has been a traumatic fortnight, for all

of France, for President Hollande, who looks tired and very emotional,

as he addressed the relatives of the 130 people who died. He is now

leaving Liz at their lead, -- leaving Les Invalides, this is a

National Service of Memorial and remembrance. A chance for all of

France, to pay their respects to those who died, not only the 130 who

died but also the hundreds who were injured in the attacks, one

fortnight ago. Many of those are still in hospital, some of them

still seriously ill. Here at Les Invalides, not just relatives and

some of the survivors as well, but also some of the paramedics who were

first on the scene. Some of the police as well. A moment for France

to remember in the majestic surroundings of Les Invalides where

Napoleon is buried. One of the most famous monuments in Paris. And a

fitting memorial perhaps, for those who lost their lives, to the terror

attacks two weeks ago. An extraordinary powerful and moving

memorial there, in Paris. Remembering the victims. The

aftermath of the Paris attacks has seen a debate here as to whether

Britain should take part in air strikes against IS in Syria, now the

Labour Party has been plunged into crisis because of divisions over the

issue. David Cameron called on MPs to back the plans to extend bombing

operations against so-called list and mixed eight, Jeremy Corbyn told

his Shadow Cabinet that he would not support the move. Senior Labour

figures are now threatening to resign. He would not support the

move. Senior Labour figures are now threatening to resign. What is the

latest for us in the row in the Labour Party? The row is deadly

serious, clearly at the moment, you have the position that probably half

of Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet might be ready to support air

strikes as part of a strategy taking on so-called Islamic State. Jeremy

Corbyn lit the touch paper if you like in terms of internal disputes,

by having a Shadow Cabinet meeting and then immediately going out and

writing to MPs saying that he was against air strikes. This was after

having had a 90 minute discussion suggesting that they come back on

Monday, reflect about it over the weekend. What people are saying, is

that, he is trying to pressurise MPs into backing his position and trying

to get some of the new members coming into the party, giving them

support, to put pressure on the MPs as well. What David Cameron is

doing, he is meeting heads of government and of the Commonwealth

in a special summit in Malta, he is trying to argue of course that it is

essential for Britain's security to go ahead with air strikes as part of

a wider strategy because his political strategy is also to detach

enough Labour MPs from Jeremy Corbyn to make sure that he can have a

Parliamentary vote and to go ahead. Again he restated his position this

morning. INAUDIBLE

Yesterday, we agreed there was a compelling case I would urge all of

them to vote on the basis of the arguments for effective action, to

keep our country safe. Vote on those arguments and we can do the right

thing. David Cameron calling for that Parliamentary vote, but he

knows that it will undoubtedly split the opposition if he does so. This

was admitted in fact by the Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn, year someone

who was sceptical about air strikes in the absence of a wider strategy,

he seems to be convinced by the Prime Minister but also by the fact

that the UN Security Council was calling for more robust action

against Islamic State in a resolution just one week ago. This

morning he admitted that his party still has some weight to go to try

and heal its divisions on this issue. In the end, it is for each

member of Parliament to make a judgment about how they will cast a

vote and I should say that we have yet to see the motion, that the

Prime Minister may bring before the House of Commons. That is why, I'm

convinced of the need to take effective action but we will only be

able to make a final judgment, when we have a

proposition before the House of Commons. I think that all of us will

do the right thing, it is possible for all of us to reach different

conclusions about what should be done in this complex and difficult

situation. He admitted is complex and difficult, it certainly is for

the Labour Party. There is a chance that the party unites, but in all

likelihood sources are telling us that there is probably around 40

Labour MPs who are likely to back the Prime Minister, maybe more than

that. Certainly it seems to be half of the Shadow Cabinet, slightly

more, are minded to be convinced. That could set them on a collision

course with Jeremy Corbyn unless he is willing to offer a free vote, to

let them vote with a conscience. So far he has not yet he did that.

Monday's meeting, and the Parliamentary party is going to be

crucial to determine its future as well as in turn to

determine whether the Prime Minister will have a vote on air strikes.

COMMENTATOR: Thank you very much, while politicians wrangle on what to

do, there is a tool information as to what life is like inside an

Islamic strongholds. The group has made Raqqa its headquarters, it has

become one of the main targets for air strikes by America, Jordanian,

Russian and now Frenchman a tree jets. The citizen journalist, is the

only source of information. They use you chew, and other social media to

inform the rest of the world about murders, explosions and rape. In a

town that was a safe haven in the early days of the Syrian Civil War.

I am from Raqqa, Syria, I am one of the co-founders. We have 18

reporters inside the city, and the team outside, we are ten. The team

outside, -- inside they send us breaking news. And they deleted

automatically from Boeder vices, then how team outside, write

articles. So what will be the impact on

Syrians and charities trying to provide support on the ground

if Britain joins air strikes? In a letter obtained exclusively

by this programme from a group of influential Syrians living

in the UK, they ask David Cameron to find a find

and a find a political resolution One of those behind the letter

Dr Mohammad Isreb - Here with me is student

Razan Saffour whose still has some family members living in Syria - she

wants to see President Assad removed from power but doesn't want the UK

to get involved in air strikes. Sam Taylor is a senior Syria Advisor

for the charity Medecins Sans We read out a little bit of the

letter, tell us more about why you decided to write this. I would like

to see that Syrian people are not considered Isis as a threat to them,

it is a threat to the west. They see that the biggest threat is the

President Assad regime. That has killed 70% of the people who have

died Russia has joined the region to support President Assad. They are

using cluster bombs, white phosphorus and burning hospitals.

This is not even targeting Isis most of the time. We should have a

comprehensive alternative solution as Hilary Benn suggested. To the

Syrians, with the Syrians, we look like we are joining Russia in

helping President Assad. They will never be able to fight an ideology

like Isis by simply bombing from the air, we need to sort it out from the

ground. In order to gain the trust of the city and people that we are

on the site, we have to find a solution to protect them from the

hideous crimes that are committed by President Assad everyday. We

suggested a safe area in the letter so that people could seek safety. We

will never be able to get rid of Isis unless they get rid of

President Assad. We said that Syrians do not consider ISA threat

to them. We were hearing from some people in Syria talking about the

way it is being impacted on the ground. Syrians do consider Isis as

a threat but in the perspective, President Assad is the major

threat. 70% of the 200,000 people died because of the bombs from

President Assad. Syrians do see Isis as a big threat but they see them as

a symptom of the main disease which is the President Assad regime. We

will never be able to get rid of ices unless we get rid of the main

threat which is President Assad. I agree with the respective gentleman.

Ices survived in Syria because it failed as a state because President

Assad would rather destroy the country than lose power. Because of

this, President Assad is the cause and Isis is the symptom. Bombing

from the air will not stop Isis. It may kill the people currently in

Isis pottable not kill the ideology. It will just create more extremism.

That is what ices thrives on to remain in Syria. The danger is that

it sends a message that the West is not supporting Syrians, it is

supporting Assad. It Syrians do see IAS as a threat on the ground, will

they not see Britain becoming involved as being supportive? They

see Isis as a symptom of the brutality of Assad. The priority is

to get rid of back to rather than bombing Isis if that makes sense.

What impact have the air strikes been happening on your operations on

the ground because you have got 150 medical field centres operating in

this area? Just to be clear, we those centres with supplies and

other things. We do not work directly inside Syria in many places

because it is simply too dangerous. The situation is such that MSF is

incapable. The front lines change all the time and you talked about

the level of bombings in civilian areas which is huge. The risk of

kidnappings is significant. We only work if I places in northern Syria

but we support 150 structures. What we hear from those structures is

that they are being targeted in bombing raids, by missiles and by

barrel bombs. The impact of providing health care is huge. You

have got a system that existed previously insidious that was

decent. A health care system. It is now crippled and on its knees, it is

destroyed. You are a humanitarian medical organisation but do you have

any view on whether air strikes are making the situation any safer on

the ground for civilians and people try to help them what impact they

are having? We are an independent humanitarian organisation and we

will not take any position on that and what we can see very clearly, it

is a political solution, it is needed. More bombs is not going to

hasten political solution. What is the way to a political solution? The

International committee has been so divided on what to do. It is united

now against IAS. First of all, the city and organisations around the

UK, they are about 20 organisations, we made a policy

document which comprehensively looks at sorting the Syrian crisis,... We

see that we need to put political pressure to put the dash to stop the

barrel bombs in Syria. As the gentleman said, it is the medical

centres in Syria that are being targeted by the barrel bombs and the

white phosphorus, and cluster bombs. Eight hospitals have been

bombed by Russia since they started their campaign in Syria. What we

need is to provide a no bombings on. -- a bombing zone. This will

make Syrians feel able to combat Isis by themselves and reach a

political solution. Thank you all. Let us go back to the memorial

service in Paris. President Hollande bowed to destroy Islamic State and

said the victors will be remembered. This day that we will never forget.

-- the victims. Franchise was cowardly struct in an act of war

organised from far-away. And carried out in cold blood, an assassin has

killed 130 other thousands. -- of other people. --

today, the entire nation is forced to remember the victims, 130 lives

taken away from us. 150 alas that we will never hear again. 130 voices

that have been killed for ever. These women and men represented the

joy of life and that is why they were killed. And because it

Frans we have been killed. The represented liberty and they were

massacred. A very moving the ceremony at Les Invalides. Majestic

surroundings for this service of remembrance. The 130 people that

lost their lives one fortnight ago well remembered. Relatives of the

dead were here. Some of the survivors were here. Politicians

from all parties, President Hollande and former presidents. We can talk

to the British ambassador to France who was in there for the service.

Very emotional, was it important for France to have this very formal

ceremonial National service of remembrance? I think it was. We are

two weeks on from the somatic event. This is a classic spot in Paris, it

is like the Royal Hospital in Chelsea, built for the victims of

wars. A very austere place. A very moving ceremony, 130 names read out

slowly and seemed to go on for ever. All of the families there. It was a

moment of conclusion for the families. And a very powerful

address from President Hollande who looks to be very emotional and

tired, not surprisingly given the last two weeks. A powerful speech in

which he said that the terrorists represent the cult of death. The

victims represent love and the love of life. And then the music that

accompanied that brought that message. He was saying that the

entire young generation was attacked but we have confidence that the

young generation will respond and keep the values of France after this

attack. I felt he spoke very well and very movingly after a very tough

week. He is off now to the Commonwealth summit in Malta to talk

about climate change. This was a very important moment for France.

What is Paris like two weeks on? How nervous are people? We read about

the terror cell where the police the terror cell where the police

went in, they were preparing another attack on the business district of

Paris. People here, are they still scared that there could be more

attacks? People are still nervous but equally determined it is not

going to change their way of life. Paris is getting back to business in

the cafes. We have got a big climate summit that in this weekend. Life is

continuing and this is part of putting these terrible events into

context by moving on. Yes, Nick Alexander who died, the

number of British people who were wounded at this ceremony, and so

many nations involved. Just an enormous number of people.

It was very sobering to hear all of the names read out one by one. And

he was saying this was a tragedy for the world and it was a world fight

against terrorism as well? It is a struggle of the entire civilised

world, against this one terrorist group. The Prime Minister has called

it a death cult. I think he was mobilising opinion partly in the

fight for our values, in not allowing this violence, to destroy

everything that we live. I know that some of the relatives,

one family did not want to come because they held the French

authorities partly responsible for what happened. Because they did not

stop it after the Charlie Hebdo attacks? People had their ruin

views, but I felt a tremendous solidarity, President Hollande used

the term solidarity, that all of the people had given the victims, of

course, every family has to make their choice. And President Hollande

has asked people to fly the trickle across the country, a day of

remembrance, right around France. It is everywhere now, it is a bit like

what happened if after 7-7, with the union Jack, it is about pride of the

country, that was very much in evidence. And an important, a stress

on life getting back. Going on, living your life, enjoying life, not

being cowed by terrorists? Yes, we have life and love and solidarity

and friendship, enjoying ourselves, what do the terrorists offer us?

Nothing like that that was one of the themes he had. Thank you very

much, Sir Peter Ricketts, the British ambassador to Paris, talking

inside that National Service of remembrance, he was there, in which

President Hollande said that the enemy is fanaticism, "they want to

subjugate mankind, but we will prevail with our forces. " A very

emotional service that has just come to an end. Thank you.

Next to some Pyrenean work that is helping to cut some child death

rates, death rates among sick children in the UK don't compare

well to Europe oz best performing country Sweden for child mortality.

Every year, there could be as many as 1951 excess deaths compare to

Sweden, among sick children in the UK. But a new campaign called safe

wants to change this, it is remarkably simple. It wants nurses,

doctors, and families to huddle, to exchange information. To see

what difference it is making, we have got a doctor, a nurse, and a

mother who got involved when her daughter became ill. Peter you are

effectively the pioneer, it was your idea, tell us how you came about it?

Basically it is a simple intervention, in Cincinnati

hospital, they pioneered this, saying could we anticipate something

going wrong before it goes wrong? Usually, when the child

deteriorates, you send a rescue team, what they said, is is it

possible for us to look ahead of time to see which children made it

and what are the things that we need to look at. They published the paper

around two years ago, in the paper they showed that they could decrease

and planned transfers by over 50 or 60%. That means a majority of people

who were potentially collapsed, were picked up earlier. It is moving from

anticipation to action, and the introduction of the huddle which is

a small group meeting where nursing staff, parents, share information

about the children who may deteriorate in the future, rather

than in the past, it changes the way people are thinking about health

care. It is remarkably simple, how is it making a difference? Everybody

has that information anyway, but it was not being shared? It is about

situational awareness, it comes from the military, it is knowing where

your troops are at all times so that they do not have friendly fire. In

sports it is the same, knowing where your colleagues are. In health care,

everyone has a different lens on patients, the parents have want you,

the nurse has want you, the doctors have another view, and the vital

signs may not reveal the truth of what is happening. In this case, we

get all of the players to try and tell us what is actually happening.

This is integrated together in this huddle, it happens to war three

times a day depending on the situation, and we tested out to see

what is the best way to do it, and that information will then increase

situation awareness and hopefully, will give us the situation before

they deteriorate. You are a parent, you got involved in this article

child ended up in hospital. What happened in your situation and what

inform Jory spirits is? So my daughter Martha was diagnosed with

leukaemia, four years ago. She spent six months intensive treatment, and

during that time, we observed lots of really good practice, and for me

fundamentally it was about the fact that we were able to build oration

ships with doctors and nurses and we were communicated with. -- build

relationships. When we were anxious was when information was not shared,

so when I had the opportunity of joining this project, I knew it was

simple things that were like being informed, a simple thing like having

a voice as a parent, we are used to thinking that the doctor knows best,

you sit and wait and listen. That is not the way that it is now, patient

centred care is about involving everybody, like play specialists, I

knew my daughter very well, the lady who delivered, all of this

district said that she was all right but I had a gut reaction that she

was not OK. Now we have got the proper mechanisms where that can

happen nationally. That was not the norm, I think it is becoming more of

the norm like through techniques like the huddle. Talking about her

situation missiles like a model of involving the parent and everybody

who is looking after a child. Was that unusual, when it was four years

ago? Identikit was unusual, it is always the aim. We have always been

keen to involve parents, in their care. But this is the way of helping

us, to get to, they know that the huddle is going to happen. We

got posters up, we can tell them this is how it is working, if you

are worried, we will listen to you all concerned.

Have we seen specific examples of it working, transforming the situation,

otherwise it having the bedside nurse, who is

having the, session with the family, they know that their concerns will

be passed on, and the parents know their children the best. We value

that conversation, that we will take that with us to the huddle, that is

what our focus and the huddle will be. It sounds like the added

ingredient is the parental input, is that the thing that is making the

big difference? That is one of the key

parent has a partner to manage the children. Also this is about

changing the culture in the wards, I grew up with the doctor knows best

view, and we need to change that, and say that everybody's view is

important. This programme is aiming at doing that, what happens is that

the team comes to a decision, what is the best way forward? The whole

idea is to identify children and mitigate against potential

deterioration and if necessary, to escalate early, so that you don't

change the way that we do most of change the way that we do most of

our health care, and seeing the spread, from 12 hospitals to 28

hospitals, trying this out. We can get an answer and changing the way

that we behave. Do you think that lives are being saved? It is

difficult to say, we having bedded value Aitor is, to save lives in the

long-term, I would say two or three years you would have to do it. What

has happened, is that in a small hospital, they may have one or two

unexplained deaths, that might deteriorate. In a larger children's

hospital they may have more. We will not see more the death rates coming

down necessarily, but the number of children that we have two rescue

because we identify them earlier and then we will seek the rate of rescue

go down so in the long term yes I think that will happen. If there is

more of a culture of everybody getting together and talking through

the most appropriate way to deal with a child in this instance, does

that lead to a change more broadly in how issues are dealt with

afterwards? If things go wrong in terms of learning lessons? I think

from my perspective yes, I think the doctors and nurses I have met in

terms of the safe programme, there isn't the same defensiveness, so I

think learning lessons from the stakes, wings are much more open.

Historically, the sense is, that you are criticising. Now it is about

learning together, it is a responsibility for all to improve.

So in terms of the doctors and nurses that I have met, there is

definitely an appetite, we are continuously looking for ways to

improve. Is that your experience? Definitely, we have a culture of can

do now. Was there a culture of cover-up? In general, has there been

a sense in the health service to explain things away as unavoidable,

unforeseen circumstances? I think that we are more proactive now, if

we can take a situation that is going well, what works well and how

do we use that. Much more positive way to look at health. The important

thing is to learn when things go wrong, these are very complex

situations. But what we would like to do is to say that it is possible

to anticipate more, and to learn more in the future, as well as to

study what really works, and mostly you will have fantastic experience,

good care and we need to study that as well as what goes wrong. Thank

you all so much for coming in. Thank you.

Now I'll programme this morning has been dominated by that act of

remembrance in Paris, for the people who died, in the terror attacks. Let

us take you to Paris where people continue to lay flowers, in a

speech, the President of France, Francois Hollande says that France

will do everything it has, to destroy the Army fanatics. Goodbye.

The weather this weekend will ruffle our