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Hello it's Tuesday, it's 9.15, I'm Joanne Gosling, | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
This morning - Jamie Oliver tells this programme | :00:14. | :00:21. | |
there should be age restrictions on energy drinks to protect our kids. | :00:22. | :00:29. | |
I've spent a lot of time in schools. When you see young kids pulling out | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
energy drinks, that is upsetting. They drink them, they shouldn't be | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
able to, you know, it's a problem. Absolutely for energy drinks there | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
should be age restrictions on the packaging, for sure. | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
All this week on the programme we're looking at the best ways | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
of tackling childhood obesity - today we're looking at whether | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
manufacturers can do more to reduce the sugar content in our food. | :00:58. | :01:04. | |
The sugar adds to the sweetness, but it adds to the texture. It has a | :01:05. | :01:12. | |
caramel to it. We eat with your eyes, if it doesn't look nice we'll | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
not eat it. Also on the programme - | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
David Cameron says air strikes in Syria are "the right thing to do" | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
- but Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn Mps on both sides are now | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
deciding how to vote. I'm not convinced they have learned | :01:23. | :01:40. | |
the lessons of Iraq, Libya. You have got to have boots on the ground. I'm | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
confused, which is, I'm afraid to say, not a new thing over the last | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
couple of weeks. And a group that claims to hate and resent | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
couple of weeks. And a group that on the tube telling them they are a | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
fat, ugly human. We'll hear from on the tube telling them they are a | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
some of the people who've received the cards. | :02:01. | :02:10. | |
Hello and welcome to the programme, we're on BBC 2 and the BBC News | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
Your contributions to this programme and your expertise really is key | :02:14. | :02:23. | |
actually, texts will be charged at the standard network rate. | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
Later on the programme, we'll talk to a model who was told to lose | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
weights and get down to the bone. She tells us why she is taking a | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
petition to Downing Street, calling for a law to protect young models | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
from being pressurised into becoming dangerously thin. Your contributions | :02:40. | :02:48. | |
are key. You can watch the programme online wherever you are. | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
You can also subscribe to all our features on the news app, | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
by going to add topics and searching Victoria Derbyshire. | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
All this week on the programme we're looking at | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
the best ways of tackling childhood obesity - a problem which could soon | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
cost us more than smoking, war, alcohol and climate change. | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
Some supermarket ready meals contain twice as much sugar as a can | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
of fizzy drink, and some children's snacks have more sugar than | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
This week a group of Mps have said the government has got to get tough | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
on the food industry if we're going to tackle rising levels of obesity. | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
It backed calls from Public Health England for | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
with companies set targets to slowly cut the amount in our foods. | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
But how easy is it to just strip out sugar? | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
And how will you feel if our favourite treats start | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
Our reporter Jim Reed has been looking into it. | :03:43. | :03:51. | |
One medical condition will soon cost us more than smoking, war, | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
The country's most senior doctor has warned that overweight is fast | :03:55. | :04:11. | |
becoming the norm in British society. | :04:12. | :04:18. | |
So the question for government, for doctors, | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
how do we start to tackle what many think is the biggest threat to | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
Gingerbread men, chocolate, Advent calendars, selection boxes. | :04:28. | :04:41. | |
For many of us it is the sweetest month of the year. | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
But is there any alternative to all this sugar? | :04:46. | :05:02. | |
We've come to the Christmas market in Chester to test a pile | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
Hi, do you want to try some of our sugar free and non-sugar free | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
They taste like Easter egg chocolate. | :05:13. | :05:19. | |
Typical cheap Advent calendar chocolate! | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
One of these is sugar free and one of these is full of normal sugar. | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
This will sound really horrible, but I have made better biscuits | :05:26. | :05:41. | |
There is a bit of an aftertaste but it's OK. | :05:42. | :05:50. | |
Yeah, but I feel like that's going to be a trick, but | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
What we were trying to do tonight is an extreme example | :05:53. | :06:03. | |
of what the health authorities say we have to do as a nation, which is | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
to gradually reduce the amount of sugar in some of our packaged food. | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
That might sound strange but it is an idea that has worked before with | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
another substance, and it worked so effectively that millions of us did | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
# There spreads the name and sterling fame # Of tasty | :06:17. | :06:24. | |
50 years ago everyday products from bread to tinned vegetables | :06:25. | :06:30. | |
Then government got involved, targets were set and a typical loaf | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
of bread has 40% less salt today than it did in the 1980s. | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
Now can we do the same thing with sugar? | :06:39. | :06:50. | |
This is what happens behind closed doors when | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
A colossal trade show to sell the stuff we might be eating | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
Fresh and low-calorie. It is really hard to give you a sense | :07:00. | :07:08. | |
But walking through the stands here, there must be hundreds and hundreds | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
The first thing you notice when you walk through is that almost every | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
stand, every company, is touting some sort of health benefit. | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
Over there it is a new high protein ice drink. | :07:24. | :07:25. | |
Over there, age healthier with that company. | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
It is almost impossible to avoid those health messages from the food | :07:30. | :07:37. | |
One of the next changes you can expect to see is the growth | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
This plant, Stevia, is 200 times as sweet, with none of the calories. | :07:41. | :07:53. | |
Unheard of four years ago, it is already used in dozens | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
Often it is introduced gradually and buried away deep | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
Would the consumer know that there is this in the product? | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
It does not really depend on us as a supplier but every single | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
brand owner, manufacturer, some of them will actually list | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
It could be for various reasons, because it's | :08:15. | :08:23. | |
an everyday product and they don't want to confuse consumers. | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
For a big supermarkets it's that same juggling act. | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
They say they want to move people away from unhealthy foods but can't | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
There's a huge danger that customers know what they like, | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
And unfortunately, there's a real gradual experience they need to go | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
If you take all of the salt out of a ready meal, for example, | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
It will taste bland, it will taste manufactured - | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
even more manufactured - and it's not what they want or we want. | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
We can't just take a population who are ingrained in their eating habits | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
We're in the high tech kitchen of what used to be the agricultural | :09:09. | :09:30. | |
college in Nottingham, learning how to bake a cake the right way. | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
What we're doing next is we're going to add the sugar or sugar substitute | :09:34. | :09:41. | |
to the margarine and cream it together in true Mary Berry style, | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
bless her, and then add the eggs, add the flour and then cook them. | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
Here's another thing with sugar - it doesn't just affect the taste | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
And that is causing us real problems. | :09:55. | :10:01. | |
Sugar has functions within the recipe. | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
The sugar adds to the sweetness and the pleasant flavour. | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
But also it adds texture to it and it also has a caramelising | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
If it does not look nice we're not going to eat it. | :10:15. | :10:25. | |
If you start to take sugar away from it, those things will change. | :10:26. | :10:32. | |
After a few hours, seven different cakes, all with different levels | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
You could market it again as a rustic product. | :10:37. | :10:51. | |
But once you taste it, my word, it is revolting. | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
These two are quite acceptable as cakes, | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
as long as you understand that they've got the rustic cracked top. | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
Some people might not find that attractive. | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
This one was far too sweet and left a really awful chemical | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
In fact I can still taste it now and I have had several glasses of water. | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
And this is what we do when we reformulate. | :11:18. | :11:20. | |
It is a sort of a juggling to get the correct texture, the correct | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
colour, the correct cost, because of course the artificial sweeteners | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
OK, so a dry sponge is a long way from the treats | :11:28. | :11:36. | |
But if obesity is, as the Government says, the biggest | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
public health threat facing our children, we might have to accept | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
The companies selling us that stuff will have to work harder to come up | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
with recipes that are not just good for our palate, but good | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
Later in the programme we'll hear from Jamie Oliver who tells us he | :11:57. | :12:07. | |
wants to see age restrictions introduced for energy drinks. | :12:08. | :12:09. | |
Watch that full interview after 10 this morning. | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
Lots of you getting in touch about this. | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
Morag says it's not difficult. Our eight-year-old's only been offered | :12:20. | :12:27. | |
water and milk. Bob says I agree with Jamie, the energy drinks are a | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
modern scourge full of caffeine and sugar and I see youngsters drinking | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
them. One woman is taking a petition all | :12:36. | :12:50. | |
the way to Downing Street. She tells us why the fashion industry thinks | :12:51. | :12:52. | |
zero size models are fine. Doing the numbers game - | :12:53. | :12:54. | |
the Government thinks it can win, Government ministers are meeting | :12:55. | :13:03. | |
this morning and are expected to support the | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
calling of a Commons debate and vote tomorrow, on expanding the RAF air | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
strikes against so-called Islamic The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn - | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
who'd called for a longer debate - has accused the Prime Minister | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
of a "rush to war". Psychiatrists have concluded that | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, | :13:25. | :13:26. | |
is no longer mentally ill. They are recommending he's | :13:27. | :13:29. | |
transferred to The final decision | :13:30. | :13:38. | |
on moving him will be made by the There'll be major disruption | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
across the NHS in England today - despite a decision to call off | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
a 24-hour strike by junior doctors. thousands of patients who'll have | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
to reschedule their appointments. An interim deal was reached last | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
night when the Government suspended Jamie Oliver has told this programme | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
there ought to be age restrictions on energy drinks to prevent young | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
children from drinking them in schools. The celebrity chef, who's | :14:05. | :14:06. | |
campaigning for a sugar tax, says sugar is "without doubt" as serious | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
a threat to the nation's health as I've spent a lot of time in primary | :14:11. | :14:23. | |
schools around the world and in Britain and when you see seven and | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
eight-year-old kids pulling out cans of energy drink, you know, all the | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
brands, with caffeine and all sorts of things in there, that is | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
upsetting and when the kids drink them, which they are not allowed to, | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
but they get them, there's no standard for lunch boxes in this | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
country, it's a problem. So absolutely there should be age | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
restrictions on the front of packs, for sure. | :14:46. | :14:47. | |
Wales has become the first nation in the UK to make every adult a | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
potential organ donor. Under the system of "presumed consent", anyone | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
who doesn't want to donate will have to opt out. That's already the case | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
in more than twenty European countries, including Belgium, where | :14:59. | :15:01. | |
Hywel Griffith has been to see how it works. | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
A life transformed by the gift of donation. | :15:07. | :15:13. | |
In the Belgian city of Ghent, a patient receives new lungs and a | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
live, multiple organ transplants like this are more common in Belgium | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
than in the UK. The supply of organs is simply greater. The law changed | :15:23. | :15:27. | |
here in Belgium back in 1986 with very litp opposition. It seems | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
everyone accepts they are a potential donor unless they choose | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
to opt out. In practise, only about 2% of people here do so which offers | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
huge help for Belgian patients. The organs donated in Wales won't all | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
stay in Wales, they'll still be shared across Britain. According to | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
the woman who chaired the last UK transplant review, the new laws are | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
unlikely to come to England any time soon. We have to wait and see what | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
happens. It's difficult to know. In countries they introduce presumed | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
consent, the numbers went down. It's a finely balanced judgment. 3% of | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
people in Wales had decided to opt out, following Belgium's example, it | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
seems most are happy to be donors by default. | :16:15. | :16:17. | |
The schools inspectorate Ofsted has warned of a growing north-south | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
divide in the standard of secondary education, and says the children of | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
It found many schools in the Midlands and north of England | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
were not good enough and said the problem cannot be explained away | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
by the higher levels of economic deprivation in the two areas. | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
Small firms and rural homes are still missing | :16:38. | :16:39. | |
Research carried out by Ofcom suggests that one | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
and a half million homes in rural areas can't get the minimum speed. | :16:43. | :16:46. | |
The Government says all homes and businesses should have access | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
It also says fairy lights could be slowing down the speed | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
We were very struck by the research. It looks like 6 million | :16:57. | :17:09. | |
homes that might be having problems with broadband could be down to the | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
Wi-Fi connection, the richer, and easy things can cause interference | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
which can slow down speeds. We will be finding out why they 10am. Now | :17:20. | :17:34. | |
the spot. British tennis, all the highlights after the Davis cup | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
winner, today the headlines have gone from smiles to thrones after | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
Andy Murray revealed he did not know where might the next generation of | :17:44. | :17:46. | |
players will come from. That dominates the papers. He says the | :17:47. | :17:54. | |
Lawn Tennis Association have felt to build on his successes. Murray says | :17:55. | :18:06. | |
they never get anything done. The world number two saying he would | :18:07. | :18:16. | |
rather concentrate on his own game. It will not make for pretty reading | :18:17. | :18:18. | |
for tennis bosses. We will be speaking to our correspondent just | :18:19. | :18:22. | |
10am. We will look at the nominees for sports personality of the year. | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
The public will have the chance to vote on the night of the 20th of | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
December. We will look at the short list for that. England took the 2020 | :18:31. | :18:39. | |
series against Pakistan with a 3-0 win. Good news for cricket this | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
morning anyway. I will be back just after 10am. | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
There'll be major disruption in the NHS in England today | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
despite a decision to call off a 24-hour strike by junior doctors. | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
The British Medical Association agreed to suspend | :18:57. | :18:57. | |
the walk-out following a last-minute breakthrough in talks last night. | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
But it came too late for hospitals and more than 4,000 patients have | :19:01. | :19:03. | |
Strikes have been put on hold until January to allow | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
Here's a quick explainer of what doctors want. | :19:08. | :19:19. | |
CHANTING: Save our NHS! Save our NHS! | :19:20. | :19:20. | |
The priority at the moment is the thousands of people that we think | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
are dying unnecessarily because we don't have proper cover for urgent | :19:27. | :19:28. | |
They are trying to cut our pay when we are already overworked, | :19:29. | :19:57. | |
underpaid, demoralised, and this is why people are going abroad. | :19:58. | :20:30. | |
So how does the pay for junior doctors compare with other jobs? | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
Let's start with what junior doctors get. | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
According to the NHS Employers Organisation, the | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
average total salary for a doctor in training is around ?36,000. | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
The starting salary in their first year is ?23,000 for 40 hours a week, | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
but many work far more hours than that and get paid for overtime. | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
Some doctors are also in training for up to 14 years so | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
Junior doctors also get more for working extra and anti-social | :20:56. | :21:02. | |
hours - that's currently classified as anytime outside 7am to 7pm | :21:03. | :21:05. | |
But the new contract changes anti-social hours to anytime outside | :21:06. | :21:12. | |
7am to 10pm Monday to Saturday, making Saturday between 7am and | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
It's all part of the drive towards seven-day working in the NHS. | :21:16. | :21:25. | |
Working alongside doctors, a fully qualified nurse starts | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
They get paid more for unsocial hours, which means those worked on | :21:29. | :21:36. | |
Saturdays, Sundays, public holidays and on weekdays between 8pm and 6am. | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
So what about outside the medical profession? | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
Outside the medical profession, teachers start on ?19,000 | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
in primary school and ?23,000 in secondary school. | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
39 weeks of the year are allocated for teaching | :21:51. | :21:52. | |
In the emergency services, starting salary for | :21:53. | :21:59. | |
This rises to ?28,000 when fully trained-up, and higher | :22:00. | :22:07. | |
Working hours typically include regular unsocial hours. | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
Firefighters work on average a 42-hour week | :22:13. | :22:14. | |
Thank you for coming in. We talked to you before during the dispute. | :22:15. | :22:32. | |
What are your thoughts? Initially I felt a great sense of relief. No | :22:33. | :22:41. | |
doctor wanted to be in the position where they were actively withholding | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
labour. However I do not think this is anything to celebrate. There has | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
not been any victory as yet. There is a great deal of uncertainty. | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
There is going to be some negotiations taking place between | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
the British Medical Association, NHS employers and the Department of | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
Health. That is a very good thing however there ultimately remains... | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
The contract can still be imposed upon us and the threat to impose | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
that has been temporarily is spend it so there is definitely welcome | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
news that I still have concerns. What would you liked to see? It is | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
being talked about as a breakthrough so there must have been movement on | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
both sides. I think it is a breakthrough. Have you heard | :23:28. | :23:34. | |
rumours? No. I am afraid not. I am looking forward to hearing from the | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
BMA had talks proceed. A gas released a statement yesterday. I | :23:40. | :23:47. | |
watched Jeremy Hunt's speech in the House of Commons yesterday. Finally | :23:48. | :23:50. | |
he acknowledged that as we start to provide more and more elective | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
services the pay bill will increase. That has been a great cause of | :23:56. | :23:58. | |
concern for us that we were going to be asked to work more for less. The | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
fact he has acknowledged that part of increasing 77 sees the pay bill | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
will increase and he acknowledged that. That is welcome news for me as | :24:10. | :24:16. | |
a doctor and I feel reassured we are not going to be doing more for | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
less. The safeguards are going to be one of the big points for | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
negotiation with the BMA and NHS employers. Looking at the safeguards | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
and what mechanism they propose for making sure we do not work and | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
seafarers will be very interesting point for discussion. The government | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
says it is doing this to enable things to be better for patients for | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
good seven-day week car. What do you say to those who say you are | :24:42. | :24:48. | |
fighting against flexibility in reality that applies to most people? | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
I do not think we are fighting against flexibility. The contract I | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
have allows me to work night shift, seven days a week, the consultant | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
contract accounts for seven days a week 52 weeks a year 365 days a year | :25:04. | :25:10. | |
emergency service. That is not about fighting against flexibility. The | :25:11. | :25:12. | |
explicit when you say you are fighting against flexibility. The | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
less. What had been your fears about what you could have been working | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
less. What had been your fears about the differential on pay? We get a | :25:23. | :25:23. | |
rotor and at the moment my normal the differential on pay? We get a | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
working hours are from ATM until 6pm. I do long days of this | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
working hours are from ATM until I will be working from eight in the | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
morning until 8:30pm. They look at the root of a period of time and if | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
you look at the number of hours I work the average iWork is just under | :25:43. | :25:49. | |
48 hours. How much I get paid is based upon the average amount of | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
hours I work and the anti-social banding. Your question was to | :25:53. | :26:01. | |
clarify... Whether it is the fight against flexibility. It sounds as if | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
you work across seven days a week. You say you are happy that Jeremy | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
Hunt has clarified that the pay bill will go up. In terms of the number | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
of hours you work average out and the pay you are receiving | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
of hours you work average out and look like there will be much | :26:18. | :26:18. | |
difference and therefore you will be happy? I have not seen any offer. | :26:19. | :26:27. | |
The final offer is to be negotiated. There are assurances, the assurances | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
that no doctor will lose money. I am happy with that. I think we have to | :26:33. | :26:38. | |
wait and find out what the outcome is with the BMA. The deadline for | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
striking has been extended until January. It does not necessarily | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
mean that strikes will not go ahead. I hope they do not but I do not | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
think... This situation is far from resolved. The strike was called off | :26:53. | :26:58. | |
but there is disruption anyway because thousands of operations were | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
cancelled. What do you say to the bebop who have been directly | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
impacted? I am incredibly sorry that has happened. It could have been | :27:07. | :27:13. | |
averted if we had gone to Acas earlier. The BMA called for Acas as | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
soon as the ballot was announced that Jeremy Hunt waited until late | :27:18. | :27:21. | |
in the day for talks with Acas to commence. That left... There was no | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
way the strike was going to be avoided up until the last minute. | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
Because he delayed going to Acas. Talks with Acas could have been | :27:34. | :27:36. | |
started far earlier and it could have been averted. Thank you. Let us | :27:37. | :27:43. | |
know your thoughts on that strike and the fact it has been called off. | :27:44. | :27:50. | |
Jamie Oliver tells us there should be Druze restrictions on energy | :27:51. | :27:57. | |
drinks to protect our kids. Someone says if energy drinks or not | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
desirable enough already, put on an age restriction. I work in a shop | :28:02. | :28:07. | |
and we do not sell energy drinks to be blunders 16. Keep your thoughts | :28:08. | :28:44. | |
coming in and you can watch the full interview after 10am. A model who | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
was told she needed to lose weight before she would be signed up to an | :28:51. | :28:54. | |
agency's Brooks is taking a petition to Downing Street. | :28:55. | :29:01. | |
Rosie Nelson, who's 23 and a size 8 to 10 is | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
calling for a law to protect young models from being pressurised | :29:05. | :29:06. | |
She says agencies need to take more responsibility | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
Over 113,000 people have backed her petition. | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
She joins us now alongside Salome Munuo who is freelance | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
fashion writer, who doesn't think size zero models should be banned. | :29:16. | :29:21. | |
Thank you for coming in. You are going to MPs and want them to | :29:22. | :29:29. | |
legislate. Why? How much of an issue is there? What about the pressure? | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
Girls are not willing to speak up about it. I have been able to speak | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
up about it and I am unique. The more awareness that is brought to it | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
the more girls are willing to speak about it. No one speaks out. What | :29:47. | :29:52. | |
ways have you seen of pressure being put on models, you or other models? | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
I have had countless people messaging me telling me they have | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
gone through the same thing, being told they have to lose weight and | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
would not be signed unless they did. A lot of friends have had the same | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
thing happen. I have been at shoots where girls will not eat and look | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
really thin. When you say lose weight, what sort of shape our they | :30:17. | :30:23. | |
in? What sort of ship were UN? When I went to the agency in London I was | :30:24. | :30:29. | |
pretty much the size I am now, size eight and they said I needed to slim | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
down more so I lost weight. How did they evaluate you? They measure you. | :30:34. | :30:42. | |
They will say, you have to fix this and that. My hips were too big. They | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
will say you have to get your measurements down. I lost five | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
kilos. You were told to slim down to the bone. I went back again after I | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
lost weight and I looked ill because I had lost so much weight. They | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
said, we want you down to the bone. What is it in the fashion industry | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
that makes there be desire for people like Rosie who is very slim | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
and looks healthy to be even thinner? If it is not an accurate | :31:13. | :31:21. | |
reflection of society. It stems from the shows, girls have to be... The | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
designers want to show off their clothes in the best light. They | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
choose girls that are very slim in order to highlight the clothes. They | :31:33. | :31:44. | |
will go into different sizes to suit the market afterwards. | :31:45. | :31:51. | |
So they are probably not representative of how they look in | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
the end? It's always been that way traditionally, but do you know, I | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
feel that things are changing, and... In what way? In France there | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
is a BMI rule. Has that had an impact? Yes, because Paris Fashion | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
Week is one of the top destinations for the shows. So the fact they have | :32:12. | :32:14. | |
taken a stand, it's going to have a trickle effect. Can you see any | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
difference? I haven't been keeping up with what France is doing at the | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
moment, but... But models in generally, do they seem to be | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
getting any bigger? During Fashion Week, it's very, very thin. | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
Throughout the rest of the year, there is kind of becoming more of a | :32:31. | :32:37. | |
cultural shift with it, so more sportswear is coming out and health | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
consciousness is happening so there is a small change happening with | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
certain brands but not with high fashion. Tell us what you want I | :32:44. | :32:50. | |
mentioned the BMI rule in Paris? Most of all, I want models to be | :32:51. | :32:56. | |
healthier. How do you define that? Not pushing themselves in drastic | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
ways to lose weight, so not eating certain thing, girls are eating | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
cotton wool and popcorn. Cot conwool? Yes, to fill up their | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
stomachs. I've had a friend say that's what happened at the show, so | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
girls do is such drastic things because they think modelling is | :33:15. | :33:17. | |
going to be really promising, they want to be on the catwalk and do | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
well and the agency want them to lose weight and you get praise if | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
you are thin as well from the agencies. So do the agencies need to | :33:26. | :33:30. | |
be told don't praise for thin? Yes. There needs to be a shift where | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
agencies are more aware that healthiness is what is in, that | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
should be the goal for the models, they shouldn't pressure the girls to | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
lose weight but to be healthy. If you want legislation though, it | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
has to be crystal clear, doesn't it so people can follow it, so what | :33:48. | :33:52. | |
would the law say for you that would protect the models? Should agencies | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
specifically be banned from telling a model to lose weight? I don't | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
think the agencies will follow through with it, so I would like to | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
see health checks put in place so if a model has to lose weight, she can | :34:06. | :34:11. | |
do it responsibly, she can get health, nutritional advice and an | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
exercise regime from a doctor rather than the agency say, lose weight and | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
come back. Is hyper thin, to the extent that you are talking about, | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
ever achievable in a healthy way? I don't think so. Unless you dedicate | :34:23. | :34:30. | |
your life to it which a lot of models do, successful models can | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
dedicate their life to being thin and eating healthily because they | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
are successful already. The industry sees models as very disposable so | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
the girls willing to two far for it are the ones that won't be modelling | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
for the rest of their lives. So should side zero be band? I don't | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
think banning anything is the right way to go about it. But when | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
a girl and her bones are sticking out, that is not a good thing to | :34:54. | :34:55. | |
portray to the out, that is not a good thing to | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
What do you think, should side zero be banned? I don't think banning | :35:00. | :35:07. | |
size zero is the way forward. I feel that educating the public through | :35:08. | :35:10. | |
size zero is the way forward. I feel changes in the industry is the way | :35:11. | :35:11. | |
forward. My view changes in the industry is the way | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
petition is a great idea in principle, but | :35:19. | :35:23. | |
long ago was it that you were told to slim down to | :35:24. | :35:36. | |
long ago was it that you were told beginning of this year, but I only | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
started my campaign two months ago and it's gotten this far. But the | :35:40. | :35:43. | |
arguments about models being told to lose weight predate that, so the | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
beginning of this year Rosie is told to slim down to the bone, should an | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
agency be talking like that? No, they shouldn't. They should be | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
encouraging healthy lifestyles, they shouldn't. They should be | :35:55. | :36:02. | |
ways to slim down or to be in the best shape a model can be. Some are | :36:03. | :36:09. | |
very naturally thin and can still live a healthy lifestyle and eat | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
correctly and achieve live a healthy lifestyle and eat | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
I think there is a growing demand for more of a natural figure and | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
more shapely. I know editorially, from past experience, we are always | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
encouraged to book girls that from past experience, we are always | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
not too painfully thin. How does this impact on your career because | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
you are gorgeous and you are very, very slim, could you go on a | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
catwalk? No, I wouldn't be allowed on the catwalk, of | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
catwalk? No, I wouldn't be allowed say of course not, everybody | :36:41. | :36:41. | |
watching would be say, why ever not, say of course not, everybody | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
there? Most of the catwalks on Fashion Week, they want girls with | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
hips the size of about 34 inches and I'm about 36 so I'm two inches off. | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
Designers just don't want that, they want all the girls to have the same | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
figure so that the collection flows. Fashion Week is almost like an art | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
collection for the designers to show their pieces off. There's no reason | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
why that look can't be slightly bigger though. | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
So this is your petition, going off to Downing Street later? Yes. Thank | :37:15. | :37:19. | |
you so much. Lots of people getting in touch with us on this. We have | :37:20. | :37:21. | |
got Sarah on text saying, I used to in touch with us on this. We have | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
dance and was a told to lose weight. I am 5'7", went down to | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
five-and-a-half stone, I'm now 52 and my | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
five-and-a-half stone, I'm now 52 I can't eat. Anorexia's left me ill. | :37:35. | :37:43. | |
Tom on Twitter says watching Rosie talk about her petition fascinating | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
campaign, an anonymous texter says modelling legislation, vote with | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
your feet and refuse. Thank you for all your comments. Do keep on | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
getting in touch with your thoughts on that and everything else we talk | :37:56. | :37:57. | |
about on the programme today. Psychiatrists have concluded that | :37:58. | :38:09. | |
the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
is no longer mentally ill. They are recommending he's | :38:13. | :38:14. | |
transferred to a specialist prison from Broadmoor | :38:15. | :38:16. | |
high security hospital, where he's West Midlands police have released | :38:17. | :38:18. | |
this video of a drunk driver being chased by police as he swerved | :38:19. | :38:27. | |
along the M5 in Worcestershire Officers have released | :38:28. | :38:29. | |
the video ahead of their christmas The 34-year-old driver was filmed | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
in October driving at over 80mph. Still I've got a fail to stop, fail | :38:33. | :38:40. | |
to stop. He's all over the road. We have got a stinger ready, | :38:41. | :38:46. | |
keep it coming. It is the vehicle coming up | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
towards you now, lane two. I think it has been stung | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
but I am not 100% sure. Rory Cellan-Jones joins us now to | :38:56. | :39:28. | |
talk about Wi-Fi. There is music coming from these lights. Who buys | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
them, unless it's the BBC props department. This is about checking | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
your Wi-Fi signal in your house. Ofcom released this Act today, it's | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
available on apple phones and Android phones and it enables you to | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
run a quick test. It looks at your Wi-Fi network and says, is it | :39:50. | :39:52. | |
holding back your Broadband signal. It's not measuring the speed of your | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
Broadband into your house which for many people is the real issue, it's | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
when it goes into your house and round your house, how well is it | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
doing. One of the things it points to is the potential for interference | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
from other electrical devices, if you put your router round your house | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
near to something else. So for instance, if you had fairy lights | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
right next to the router, they could interfere with the signal. Why? | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
Draining the power? No, it's because of radio interference. I mean, it's | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
effectively a radio signal. Sit an excuse? I think it's it's a bit of | :40:28. | :40:34. | |
an excuse. Experts say, this is one very minor reason. That is annoying! | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
Another reason to put your router out in a good place, high up on a | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
shelf rather than buried at the bottom of a shelf so the signal can | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
be distributed more easily. The real issue for most is not how good the | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
wireless network is, it's how good the signal coming into their home | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
is. That's still the thing that's getting lots of people really cross | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
at the moment. This is kind of distracting from that though to do | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
isn't it? Yes. It isn't just fairy lights, they are talking about all | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
sorts, baby monitors? Yes. If you put a monitor right next to thing | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
electrical. So get everything else out the way then you can properly | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
address the issue? Yes, then you can check if your Wi-Fi network is | :41:20. | :41:22. | |
working properly. Then once you have decided that, you have other things | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
to worry about which is why is it so slow coming into my house. There is | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
nothing we can do to change that? We can put pressure on the companies to | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
start to give us a better service, for instance to roll out fiber-optic | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
cables which is the key to fast Broadband along every street. There | :41:45. | :41:47. | |
is a debate whether they should be at a Cabinet at the side of the | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
street or in our homes. How much progress is being made on that? | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
Ofcom said overall, more than eight in ten homes can get super fast | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
Broadband but they are worried about rural homes, one-and-a-half million | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
rural homes that are just too far from the cabinets to get a decent | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
connection and lots of small businesses on business parks where | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
you would think things would be great, turns out BT and other | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
companies haven't wired up the business parks, so a lot of the | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
little companies are getting rubbish Broadband and they say it's | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
affecting the way they can do business. The only thing to change | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
it is for more infrastructure to be built in, but I guess in rural | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
areas, it's not so commercially viable? Well, there's been | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
Government money into that and there is an inquiry by Ofcom into what | :42:40. | :42:46. | |
happens next. There is a debate about whether BT Open Reach should | :42:47. | :42:49. | |
be split off, which is what its rivals Shay should happen, an be an | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
independent pores force, then there would be more investment. BT says | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
that's not the way forward, but that is what Ofcom is deciding tonne way | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
forward. -- rivals say should happen. That music is driving me | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
crazy. I don't think they'll be on the Christmas tree at home. Thank | :43:11. | :43:12. | |
you very much. Let's catch up with the weather now | :43:13. | :43:14. | |
with Alex. You are going to have to compete | :43:15. | :43:24. | |
against that music I'm afraid. It's driving me mad already. It's | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
1st December today. Weather-wise, the first day of winter. That is how | :43:30. | :43:33. | |
we measure winter. First day of Advent and I have some Christmassy | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
pictures to show you. Take a lack at this. Dachshund through the snow. | :43:39. | :43:46. | |
See what I did there? ! A little girl, Ira, just delightful. These | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
pictures taken through the weekend in Scotland at the weekend. So | :43:52. | :43:56. | |
sweet. Christmassy. That snow is probably melting as we speak because | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
things are on the change weather-wise and it's the first day | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
of winter weather-wise. Some people measure it difference but for | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
climate reasons, our winter is December, January, February, | :44:09. | :44:11. | |
breaking it down into three months because it makes it easier for the | :44:12. | :44:17. | |
statistics. Summer is June, July, August. Another way of measuring the | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
seasons, perhaps a more common way is to use the equinox and solstice, | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
so at the moment we'd be in autumn. The winter, the shortest day, is not | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
for a few weeks yet, 22nd December. That is part of the problem. Because | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
the dates shift. For example, the autumn equinox can be on the 22nd, | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
23rd or 24th. Are you keeping up? Yes. This is December 1st? Yes, you | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
can do it this way, that is fine, but because the dates vary, it gets | :44:49. | :44:52. | |
far more complicated and doesn't work statistically. Measuring | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
climate, you need to keep things constant over time otherwise you are | :44:58. | :44:59. | |
not comparing like with like. That is why we keep it simple and | :45:00. | :45:07. | |
winster's started, spring starts on 1st March, summer 1st June. Will it | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
be a mild winter? Mixed. This morning Cold in | :45:12. | :45:19. | |
Scotland, warm in the south. There is an awful lot going on | :45:20. | :45:29. | |
weather-wise. We have snow out there, pictures of snow across the | :45:30. | :45:32. | |
Highlands. Yet for most of us, this was a more typical scene the morning | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
in Warwickshire, just grey but really quite mild with temperatures | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
well above the average for the time of year across much of the UK. This | :45:41. | :45:52. | |
has been bringing some wet weather. We did see some snow through the | :45:53. | :46:04. | |
course of the morning. That brought warmer air before the snow could get | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
going. The snow is tending to disappeared as the warmer air pushes | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
across more -- much of Scotland. The snow is likely to be disappearing | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
because the temperatures are claiming. In Glasgow we could be in | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
double figures. Most of the rest of the UK is great and my old. A lot of | :46:26. | :46:32. | |
code around. Some breaks. Still breezy in the south but not as gusty | :46:33. | :46:39. | |
as the past few days. Some rain and drizzle affecting the whole than the | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
cost. Through the night it will stay mild. The warm air covering the UK. | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
The winds are getting lively with gusts of 60 in the far north-west, | :46:50. | :46:55. | |
70, as marine poos he's back in late in the night. Still mild. -- more | :46:56. | :46:59. | |
rain in the night. Still mild. -- more | :47:00. | :47:07. | |
temperatures than last night. The rain is going to | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
temperatures than last night. The tomorrow. Temperatures will drop | :47:12. | :47:12. | |
across tomorrow. Temperatures will drop | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
but we will see something greater. tomorrow. Temperatures will drop | :47:16. | :47:17. | |
Questions about the tomorrow. Temperatures will drop | :47:18. | :47:20. | |
and how far south it will get but it will bring to a halt. | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
north-west England and Wales having a very soggy day. | :47:26. | :47:37. | |
north-west England and Wales having and double figures. Parts of | :47:38. | :47:39. | |
Scotland and Northern Ireland turning colder. Bad weather front | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
could give other few headaches. It is going to wiggle around over the | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
next few days and marks the difference between the warmer air in | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
the south and the colder air further north and will continue to bring | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
rain. Much of the south-east stays dry, further not something greater | :47:57. | :48:01. | |
but it will be colder. We will continue with this contrast until | :48:02. | :48:04. | |
Friday when the rain shoots out of the way but there is more wet and | :48:05. | :48:08. | |
windy weather to the far north-west that will swing across the UK as we | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
go into the weekend. Quite a bit going on to say the least. | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
Hello, it's just after 10am, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria. | :48:17. | :48:19. | |
Welcome to the programme if you've just joined us. | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
Jamie Oliver tells this programme there should be age restrictions on | :48:24. | :48:32. | |
I have spent a primary schools around | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
I have spent a in Britain and when you see | :48:37. | :48:38. | |
seven-year-olds and eat-year-olds pulling out cans of | :48:39. | :48:40. | |
seven-year-olds and eat-year-olds and you know the blood bill bands | :48:41. | :48:43. | |
with caffeine, Today, we're looking at whether | :48:44. | :48:45. | |
manufacturers can do more to reduce The sugar adds to the sweetness and | :48:46. | :49:14. | |
the pleasant flavour but it also adds texture to it and it has a | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
caramel lighting effect so it browns and so it is aesthetically pleasing | :49:21. | :49:26. | |
and we eat with our eyes. If it does not look nice we are not going to | :49:27. | :49:28. | |
eat it. Also on the programme, | :49:29. | :49:29. | |
David Cameron says air strikes in Syria are "the right thing to | :49:30. | :49:31. | |
do" but Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn MPs on both sides are now | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
deciding how to vote. I am not yet convinced that they | :49:35. | :49:46. | |
have lurked the lessons of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, to prove | :49:47. | :49:54. | |
that it is possible to destroy a regime, you have to have boots on | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
the ground. I am confused. That is not a new thing over the last couple | :50:00. | :50:01. | |
of weeks. And a group that claims to "hate and | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
resent fat people" has been handing out cards to women on the tube | :50:07. | :50:10. | |
telling them they're a "fat, ugly human". We'll speak to some of the | :50:11. | :50:13. | |
people who've received the cards. Cabinet ministers are meeting | :50:14. | :50:20. | |
this morning and are expected to support the | :50:21. | :50:28. | |
calling of a Commons debate and vote tomorrow, on expanding the RAF air | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
strikes against so-called Islamic The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn - | :50:32. | :50:34. | |
who'd called for a longer debate - has accused the Prime Minister | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
of a "rush to war". Psychiatrists have concluded that | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, | :50:42. | :50:42. | |
is no longer mentally ill. They are recommending he's | :50:43. | :50:44. | |
transferred to a specialist prison from Broadmoor | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
high security hospital, where he's The final decision | :50:49. | :50:51. | |
on moving him will be made by the There'll be major disruption | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
across the NHS in England today - despite a decision to call off | :50:56. | :51:06. | |
a 24-hour strike by junior doctors. The move to suspend industrial | :51:07. | :51:08. | |
action came too late for thousands of patients who'll have | :51:09. | :51:11. | |
to reschedule their appointments. An interim deal was reached last | :51:12. | :51:13. | |
night when the Government suspended Jamie Oliver has told this programme | :51:14. | :51:16. | |
there ought to be age restrictions on energy drinks to prevent young | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
children from drinking them The celebrity chef, | :51:22. | :51:24. | |
who's campaigning for a sugar tax, says sugar is | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
"without doubt" as serious a threat I've spent a lot of time in primary | :51:30. | :51:31. | |
schools around the world and in Britain and when you see seven and | :51:32. | :51:39. | |
eight-year-old kids pulling out cans of energy drinks, you know, all the | :51:40. | :51:46. | |
brands, with caffeine and all sorts of things in there, | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
that is upsetting and when the kids drink them, which they are | :51:50. | :51:52. | |
not allowed to, but they get them, there's no standard for lunch boxes | :51:53. | :51:55. | |
in this country, it's a problem. So absolutely there should be age | :51:56. | :51:58. | |
restrictions on the front of packs, Wales has become the first nation | :51:59. | :52:01. | |
in the UK to make every adult Under the system of | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
"presumed consent", anyone who doesn't want to donate will have to | :52:05. | :52:11. | |
register their objection. So far only three per cent | :52:12. | :52:13. | |
of people have chosen to opt out. A model who was told she needed to | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
lose weight and 'get down to the bone' before she would be signed up | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
to an agency's books is taking a Rosie Nelson, who's 23 and a size | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
8-10, is calling for a law to protect young models from being | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
pressurised into becoming I went in and my hips were too big | :52:30. | :52:44. | |
so they said I had to slim down so I lost five kilos. You were told to | :52:45. | :52:51. | |
slim down to the bone. Yes. I looked ill at the time because I had lost | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
so much wet afterwards. That is when they said we want you down to the | :52:57. | :53:04. | |
bone. After helping Great Britain to a first Davis cup since 1936 the | :53:05. | :53:10. | |
world number two has told newspaper journalist there are not enough | :53:11. | :53:20. | |
young British players taking part in grand slams and that he does not | :53:21. | :53:23. | |
speak to those in power because it is a waste of time as nothing ever | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
gets done. I spoke to our tennis correspondent. This is a frustration | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
dating back many years. He feels that it is almost pointless having | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
conversations with those who run the sport in the UK. He feels there is a | :53:35. | :53:38. | |
distinct lack of juniors coming through. There is very much evidence | :53:39. | :53:45. | |
of that. Results at the junior grand slams be nonexistent. Not enough | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
boys in particular at the draw. Pete is one exemption on the girls said. | :53:50. | :53:58. | |
The national tennis centre was built in Roehampton in 2007 at a cost of | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
?40 million. Andy Murray and other top players are frustrated by the | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
fact that if they do go there to practice that are not other top | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
quality players around to hit with because in recent years the system | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
has been decentralised. Training camps used to take place in London | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
and are taking place throughout the country. Do you think this criticism | :54:22. | :54:26. | |
is fair? A lot of the points he makes are valid but it gets back a | :54:27. | :54:33. | |
few years. The Chief Executive has been in for two gears and there is | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
not a great deal of confidence in the performance side of the | :54:37. | :54:39. | |
programme for the reasons I have been outlining. A fabulous college | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
buddy tracksuit coach, never someone who was going to be able to play | :54:45. | :54:49. | |
that performance director Roland be in charge of strategy and sit behind | :54:50. | :54:53. | |
a desk and plan the future of British tennis. That was clearly a | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
mistake. We will see whether Peter Keane proves to be the best | :54:58. | :55:04. | |
long-term option from another sport. Lawn Tennis Association's mission is | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
to increase participation. The most recent figures released by sport | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
England survey revealed that the numbers playing tennis has risen but | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
they have dropped over the last five or six years like many sports and it | :55:20. | :55:25. | |
remains to be seen whether they can keep those numbers steady. You | :55:26. | :55:28. | |
cannot have one without the other and at the moment the performance | :55:29. | :55:35. | |
side of things... You cannot have one without the other and despite | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
the Davis cup success that side of things is in a little bit of a mess | :55:40. | :55:45. | |
at the moment. The nominees for the BBC sports personality of the year | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
award have been announced and this year the short list is quite long. | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
Which one of these will lift the trophy? It will be decided in | :55:55. | :55:59. | |
Belfast on the 20th of December and you will be able to vote on the | :56:00. | :56:13. | |
night by phone and online. Welcome if you have just joined us. We are | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
here until 11am. We will bring you breaking news and developing stories | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
plus lots of reaction to our conversation about models. Rosie | :56:25. | :56:29. | |
Nelson who is a size 8-10 is calling for a change in the law to prevent | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
young models being pressurised into becoming dangerously thin. Someone | :56:34. | :56:40. | |
says there is no reason for models to look like a hat rack. Someone | :56:41. | :56:46. | |
else says having suffered with anorexia any legislation that saves | :56:47. | :56:52. | |
lives is worth it. Someone says fashion models are not | :56:53. | :56:54. | |
representative of the wider population and should not be sticks | :56:55. | :57:01. | |
onshore. Someone else seeing our designers admitting their clothes | :57:02. | :57:06. | |
only look good on anorexic models? Someone else thanks Rosie for | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
speaking out. Someone says there is no reason for models to look like a | :57:12. | :57:14. | |
hat rack... I said that one already! It is always great to hear | :57:15. | :57:21. | |
from you and we will bring you more of your comments later. You can | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
watch the programme online wherever you are, they add the BBC News app, | :57:27. | :57:33. | |
or on the website. You can subscribe to our features on the news app by | :57:34. | :57:37. | |
going to our topics and searching Victoria Derbyshire. Jimmy Oliver | :57:38. | :57:41. | |
says there ought to be Druze restrictions on energy drinks to | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
prevent young children drinking them in schools. He is campaigning for a | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
sugar tax and says sugar is as serious a threat to the nation's | :57:51. | :57:56. | |
health as tobacco. He had been speaking in the House of Commons | :57:57. | :57:57. | |
yesterday. You described this | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
as being the biggest war right now. Yes, | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
if you look at the deaths caused by diet-related disease in Britain | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
today, they are astronomical. If you look at the amount of people | :58:08. | :58:09. | |
in hospital because of diet-related We talk about obesity a lot, | :58:10. | :58:12. | |
but diet-related disease is huge. So I think | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
when you are drilling into things like type 2 diabetes, which is | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
nearly 10% of the whole NHS budget, And because it is slow | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
and it slowly takes the shine off people and their health | :58:26. | :58:33. | |
and their productivity and their life expectancy, because | :58:34. | :58:35. | |
it is so slow, it is not dramatic. And it doesn't command the kind | :58:36. | :58:53. | |
of actions that are appropriate to protect our kids right now | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
in Britain. Would you describe sugar | :58:57. | :58:57. | |
as the new tobacco? Sugar is delicious | :58:58. | :58:59. | |
and we are programmed to love it. But the question is, | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
when businesses that trade it, when they become so successful | :59:04. | :59:05. | |
at the cost of our children's health, when does it become | :59:06. | :59:08. | |
a debate in a place like this? Can they all exponentially grow | :59:09. | :59:11. | |
every year and get more of it Our kids, | :59:12. | :59:14. | |
it is widely recognised that So for me, the concept of a sugary | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
drinks tax - which is your tax, it's not for the money to go anywhere, | :59:19. | :59:25. | |
the money is going to go to schools and to hospitals, and to do things | :59:26. | :59:28. | |
in the community that promote good health - the concept of this is only | :59:29. | :59:31. | |
because sugary drinks are the single largest source of sugar in | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
our children's and teenagers' diet. But if you're effectively equating | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
that with tobacco in public health terms, should there be age limits | :59:40. | :59:43. | |
on the sale of fizzy drinks in the I have spent a lot of time | :59:44. | :59:46. | |
in primary schools And when you see seven | :59:47. | :59:52. | |
and eight-year-old kids pulling out cans of energy drinks, you know - | :59:53. | :00:00. | |
and you know all the brands, with caffeine and all sorts of things | :00:01. | :00:03. | |
in there - that is upsetting. And when those kids drink them, | :00:04. | :00:06. | |
which they are not allowed to, but they get them - there is no | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
standards for lunch boxes So absolutely, for energy drinks | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
there should be age restrictions But as far | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
as other regular sugary drinks, no, Good clarity goes | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
a long way with the British public. When you give them good clear | :00:21. | :00:28. | |
information they make good choices. But I think at the moment for me | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
it feels like, you know, confusion You seem to be pinning it all | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
on the industry. I think it is not just the food | :00:37. | :01:03. | |
and drinks industry, it is not just education, it is not just | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
the Government, of course parents But I think Britain has gone | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
through an incredible 40 years. The food industry has developed | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
a lot in 40 years. To be a British parent these days | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
is, I think, very challenging, if The capacity for you to make | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
the wrong choice is much easier Not just in availability, | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
but you might have come from a family - and there are many - | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
that didn't have parents that cooked at home and you didn't learn | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
to cook at school either. So this is part | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
of a big holistic plan. The sugary drinks tax is | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
the hardest subject. But when people understand this | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
money is theirs to be spent on good, to protect the most disadvantaged | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
as well, people generally seen to And actually, bizarrely, | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
it is polling quite well in the polls with regard to | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
understanding it, being OK with it. And I think that is quite rare | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
for a tax of any kind. One person who does not seem to be | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
coming around to it is He has publicly said he | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
doesn't see the case for it. I know you have had what you said | :02:04. | :02:08. | |
were robust conversations with him. Look, when I have seen Mr Cameron | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
on a couple of occasions he has taken this very seriously, and he | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
is open-minded to all options. So does he say something | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
different to you from what he No, flouting around the concept of a | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
tax is not the fastest way to make But ultimately this conversation, | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
and the reason I am committed to this for the long term, is that we | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
can't just keep looking at child We can't just look at the cost | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
of it. We can't let that facilitate | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
a collapse in the NHS. But does David Cameron | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
buy this argument? And if he buys the argument you are | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
putting forward, I think he is open-minded | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
to everything. I think he wants to do | :02:51. | :02:58. | |
something that is robust. Let's see how brave | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
and robust he is. That's why I can't wait to see what | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
the childhood obesity strategy This kind of action here today | :03:05. | :03:06. | |
in Parliament is about setting, I guess, the foundations for this, | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
really. Let's debate - | :03:12. | :03:13. | |
has business gone too far? Should they be allowed to | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
do anything they want? Is it OK for them to always market | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
to our kids in certain ways I think when you are looking | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
at the cost of ill health of Britain and British kids, | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
it doesn't take a rocket scientist You have got supermarkets having buy | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
one get one free promotions all the time and they are weighted | :03:36. | :03:45. | |
in favour of the sugary snacks, If you have got that still going on, | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
this tax could be a complete waste It won't be a waste of time, because | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
what you'll get is a raising of funds that will facilitate some | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
incredible initiatives around Britain, in education, in | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
schools and in the health service. The important thing is, let's not | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
just focus on the sugary drinks tax. It needs to be 50 to 100 points | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
of activations happening in labelling, teaspoons, facilitating | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
and funding activities in schools, looking at advertising, marketing | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
to our kids online, prime time. We are focusing on | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
the sugary drinks tax because that What about getting tougher | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
on supermarkets? I think to be a modern-day | :04:33. | :04:40. | |
supermarket they will have to start addressing doing more with regards | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
to inspiring their customers to shop more efficiently, more healthily, | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
save money on the healthier options, make it easier - | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
even if you look at waste and what is graded in and out of vegetables | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
from British farmers, now there's And actually I am starting to see | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
now changes of behaviour in a handful of supermarkets are doing | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
some really interesting initiatives. So I think that is why I | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
say now is the moment. Because to single it out on just a | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
tax - everything has got to change. The CEOs of companies | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
in this country need to be much more switched on for waste | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
and environment and making it easier for British people to make better | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
choices, for sure. Final question - what do you want | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
the politicians to do after this? A lot of people are saying, | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
there are a lot of people who are obese out there and they do not even | :05:35. | :05:41. | |
drink sugary drinks. The focus on sugary, | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
sweetened drinks is because they are the biggest single largest source | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
of in our kids' diets. There's lots | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
of modelling that support financial And like I said, it was symbolic of | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
change that we tackled the hardest thing to tackle, which is actually | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
saying, no, enough is enough, OK? Now we're going to tax this | :06:01. | :06:03. | |
because it is a bit of a problem. I have always said to Mr Cameron, | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
if this wasn't to work, after three to five years, remove | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
it, put a sunset clause on it. None | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
of the things that I have come up with in my obesity strategy, if they | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
don't work, you would remove them. You can measure it in terms | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
of reduction in sales... And it works in Mexico | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
and it works in France. And you will get a drop of | :06:25. | :06:33. | |
of consumption and you will raise funds that must be hypothecated to | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
be spent in places of need, which This is at the front line | :06:38. | :06:40. | |
of saving the NHS. This is at the front line | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
of creating it. The tax is a splash, but is the | :06:45. | :06:46. | |
ripples that are truly powerful. It is all | :06:47. | :06:53. | |
of those other initiatives that give Loads of you getting in touch. | :06:54. | :07:06. | |
Tarrin says, really interesting debate. Geoff says well done for | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
raising the problem of energy drinks among young children, this is a big | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
problem. Simon says, oh, my days, just found myself agreeing with | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
Jamie Oliver. Andy on Facebook says there should be an age restriction | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
on listening to Jamie Oliver and his drivel. All this week we are looking | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
at the best ways of tackling childhood obesity, it's a problem | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
which could soon cost us more than smoking, war, alcohol and climate | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
change. Today, Jim Reid has been looking at whether food must have | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
beeners can do more to strip out sugar from the food they produce. | :07:41. | :08:00. | |
A typical loaf of bread has 40% less salt in it than it did in the '80s. | :08:01. | :08:10. | |
It worked with salt, can we do the same thing with sugar? This is what | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
happened behind closed doors, when the | :08:15. | :08:14. | |
food industry gets together. A colossal trade show to sell the | :08:15. | :08:23. | |
stuff we could be eating and drinking next year. Walking through | :08:24. | :08:34. | |
the stands, there's hundreds of exhibitors. You notice every stand | :08:35. | :08:44. | |
is touting health messages. One of the next changes you can expect to | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
see is the growth of natural alternatives to sugar. This plant, | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
Stevia, is 200 times as sweet with none of the calories. Unheard of | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
four years ago, it's already used in dozens of big brands, often it's | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
introduced gradually. Would the consumer know there's this in the | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
product? How does it work? It doesn't depend on us as a supplier | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
but every single brand or manufacturer, some will list Stevia | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
on the front of the label, others choose not to shout about it for | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
various reasons, it could be because it's an every day product and they | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
don't want to confuse consumers. For big supermarkets, it's that same | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
juggling act, they say they want to move people away from unhealthy | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
foods but can't afford to frighten customers off. There is a huge | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
danger. Customers know who they like and like what they know and | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
unfortunately there is a gradual experience they need to go through | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
to ensure they get that. We cannot just a take a population ingrained | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
in their eating habits and ex-them to change overnight. | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
We are in the hi-tech kitchen of what used to be the agricultural | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
college in Nottingham, learning how to bake a cake the right way. We are | :10:00. | :10:06. | |
going to add the sugar or sugar substitute to the margarine and | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
cream it together. The sugar adds to the sweetness and the pleasant | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
flavour. But also it adds texture to it. It also has a caramelising | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
effect so it browns, so it'ses a they wantically pleasing and we eat | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
with our eyes. If it doesn't look nice, we are not going to eat it. | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
So it has those things. If you start to take sugar away from it, those | :10:32. | :10:39. | |
things may well be changed. Seven different cakes all with different | :10:40. | :10:43. | |
levels of sugar or artificial sweeteners. Some better tasting than | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
others. But if obesity is, as the Government says; the biggest public | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
health threat facing our children, we might have to accept our food | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
will have to change and the companies selling us that stuff will | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
have to work harder to come up with recipes that are not just good for | :11:00. | :11:02. | |
our palate, but good for our waistlines as well. | :11:03. | :11:08. | |
Let's bring you some breaking news we are getting about the number of | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
refugees and migrants reaching Europe via the Mediterranean. The | :11:14. | :11:17. | |
numbers through for November. Interestingly, they show a very big | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
drop from October. The figures for November, 140,000, compared with | :11:25. | :11:27. | |
220,000 in October. So, that is obviously a very big | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
drop, but UNHCR is saying the numbers are still high. UNHCR has | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
put out these figures. Still to come before 11; a group | :11:42. | :11:43. | |
that claims to hate and resent Still to come before 11; a group | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
people has been handing out cards to women on the tube telling them they | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
are a fat, ugly human. We'll bring you the details. First, there'll be | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
a full day of debate in the House of Commons tomorrow on allowing British | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
air strikes in Syria. The Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn, who had called | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
for a two-day debate, is accusing the Prime Minister of a rush to war. | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
But David Cameron says military action in Syria has growing support | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
and is the right thing to do. Enit comes to a vote, will enough | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
MPs back him? Norman Smith has been crunching the numbers. He did say he | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
wouldn't go to a vote if he wasn't sure he'd win it, so tell us how the | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
numbers look like they are going to break down? You are right, Number | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
Ten is very confident they can win it. That is why they are moving | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
quickly. We'll get the motion which will be debated in the next hour or | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
so and I'm told that will be an inclusive motion, so it won't just | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
talk about bombing IS and Sir yarks there'll be a lot about the | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
humanitarian and diplomatic plan, strong references to the fact there | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
is now a UN Resolution and then Number Ten | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
is now a UN Resolution and then going to do away with Prime | :12:51. | :12:52. | |
Minister's Questions tomorrow -- Syria. So the whole day from 11. | :12:53. | :12:58. | |
302010 o'clock at night can be devoted exclusively to the debate on | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
Syria. But the expectation is Mr Cameron will get a comfortable | :13:03. | :13:11. | |
majority -. Mr Cameron's got to be looking at getting around 325 on | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
board. He's got 330 MPs, but the expectation is only around 320 | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
roughly supporting him tomorrow. There's about ten or so who're | :13:22. | :13:29. | |
likely to oppose military action. However, Mr Cameron will be butt | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
rested by about 50 or more Labour MPs because it's thought at least | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
50, and it could rise beyond that of Labour MPs, will support him. That's | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
his safety net which kind of guarantees him victory. On top of | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
that, there's probably about another ten or so who're either members of | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
the Democratic Unionist party. There might be the odd Lib Dem straggler, | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
so you get around another ten who'll also back Mr Cameron. So when you | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
stack all that up together, you've got 320 Tories, 50 or so Labour, | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
you've got around ten others, as it were, putting you at around 380, | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
well above the 325 you need and it may go higher than that. David | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
Cameron may do better. The truth is, by 10 o'clock | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
tomorrow, the House of Commons will almost certainly have voted for | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
military action and the working assumption is that military ache | :14:29. | :14:34. | |
strikes will start soon afterwards. A public debate about whether | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
there'll be a free vote. The position is now clear, but where | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
does this all heave Labour right now? I think calling it a public | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
debate is a very charitable description Joanna, it's been more | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
like a fist fight. Jeremy Corbyn faced a mutiny in Cabinet yesterday | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
and was forced to concede that there can be a free vote, they can speak | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
against bombing and can interpret party policy pretty much as they | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
want, albeit Hilary Benn, the Shadow Foreign Secretary, I mean we do have | :15:09. | :15:11. | |
the rather odd situation let's be honest that Jeremy Corbyn will start | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
the debate for Labour and speak against bombing, Hilary Benn who'll | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
conclude it will speak for bombing. That said, Mr Benn this morning was | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
charitable to Mr Core bun saying this is new politics, we are doing | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
things differently. Listen to what he said -- Mr Corbyn. People have | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
strongly held views on this and it's perfectly possible for people to | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
reach different conclusions because the views are sincerely held. That's | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
the strength of our politics, isn't that what people want | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
Parliamentarians to do, weigh up the voices, what they themselves think | :15:45. | :15:45. | |
and reach a conclusion? We will set out what we think. That | :15:46. | :16:02. | |
is a different kind of politics to the one maybe you are used about the | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
right thing to do in those circumstances. Jeremy Corbyn's | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
difficult they did not end there. It carried on at the meeting of the | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
Parliamentary Labour Party yesterday evening where there was a great | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
delight at Jeremy Corbyn not for his stance on air strikes, the | :16:22. | :16:25. | |
overwhelming majority seem to back him on air strikes, what they are | :16:26. | :16:35. | |
unhappy about is the way he has handled this saga, that he tried to | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
go, that is the view, to put the squeeze on their MPs to back him. | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
But was a lot of anger about that. One senior Labour MP emerged from | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
the meeting and said gleefully it had been the most uplifting meeting | :16:49. | :16:51. | |
he had been too because Jeremy Corbyn had had such a going over. | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
People criticising him were not just the usual suspects, Margaret Beckett | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
warning about how he was dividing the party. A lot of criticism of his | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
supporters in particular Ken Livingstone. In part because he | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
suggested the other day that the 7/7 bombers had laid down their lives | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
because of their views on Iraq and he was directly attacked and | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
criticised very strongly for that I a Labour MP. A very bruising meeting | :17:24. | :17:30. | |
for Jeremy Corbyn supporters. Stay with us because listening to that is | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
Ken Livingstone, the former mayor of London. Angela Smith was at the | :17:35. | :17:42. | |
meeting last night. She backs air strikes in Syria. She is with us in | :17:43. | :17:52. | |
the studio. As is the Labour MP for Edinburgh South Ian Murray who is | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
Labour's shadow Scottish secretary and plans to vote against air | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
strikes in Syria. What did you see in the meeting last night? I made it | :18:02. | :18:06. | |
clear that Ken Livingstone's remarks about the 7/7 bombings weren't | :18:07. | :18:11. | |
tiredly unacceptable. The vast majority of the British public will | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
be appalled with what he said to effectively blamed Tony Blair and | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
Western values for the attacks on London on that day. It was totally | :18:20. | :18:27. | |
unacceptable and he has made himself unfit to chair the review and I | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
think he should resign. He is joining us. Maybe put that to him. | :18:33. | :18:39. | |
Are you going to resign? Do you accept you have alienating the vast | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
majority of the British public? Not at all. Then the two days following | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
what I said something like 40 or 50 be both stopped me on the street to | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
say I agree with everything you said and nobody has criticised me apart | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
from MPs and the media. I have never told a lie in public life. We know | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
those four suicide bombers who were born and brought up in Britain, part | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
of our life and culture, were turned against and prepared to blow | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
themselves up in order to kill 52 Londoners on the streets and if you | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
go on the messages they left as they recorded by they were doing this | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
they said was because of our invasion of Iraq and Tony Blair was | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
told by security services if you invade Iraq it increases the risk of | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
a terrorist attack which is why I am really worried about more bombing | :19:32. | :19:38. | |
over Syria because troops on the ground, unless you put them, they | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
will be prepared to kill more British people. Is he right? No. | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
This is tantamount to blaming our society for what is happening in the | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
Middle East and the streets of Western capitals across the world. | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
That is entirely unacceptable. The fanaticism that characterises | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
Al-Qaeda and I so cannot be laid at the door of Western values that | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
stand for freedom, liberty and the rates of the individual to live life | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
with in the role of the law as he or she once. -- rights, the rights of | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
women, are so important to our society. Ken just keeps making the | :20:19. | :20:26. | |
same mistake over and over again. 40 or 50 people may have had something | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
to say but there are millions more across the country who will be | :20:31. | :20:49. | |
appalled that his attitude. I agree that our values are something we | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
should defend. You are not in your head. I think terrorists are | :20:53. | :20:54. | |
terrorists wherever they are in the world. I was appalled by what I | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
heard from Ken Livingstone on Thursday the majority of people will | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
be appalled. He has the opportunity to apologise for that. It is deeply | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
regretful that we are going through a huge sensible and adult debate | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
that the moment about the Middle East, Syria, Iraq, terrorism. There | :21:10. | :21:15. | |
are people on the streets of Britain fearful about what may happen in | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
terms of what happened in Paris and capital cities around the world and | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
for a senior respected politician to go on to Question Time and see such | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
dreadful shameful things is unacceptable. I think he should not | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
only apologise but he should remove himself from that defence review. | :21:34. | :21:40. | |
Will you apologise? I told the truth. I am not going to apologise | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
for telling the truth. Those four suicide bombers, the message they | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
left was that they were doing this because of our involvement in Iraq. | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
This is not a one-off. All our life we have been involving ourselves, | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
invading Egypt, offering humiliating defeat, we should stay out of the | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
Middle East unless we have a strategy and it is not a strategy | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
just a bomb. You have to defeat Isil on the ground as we did with Nazi | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
Germany and create democracy afterwards. Just bombing at is not | :22:16. | :22:21. | |
going to do that. You cannot win a war by just bombing. Your choice of | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
words is interesting because you described the suicide bombers as | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
having given the lives, making a sacrifice. Is that the right sort of | :22:30. | :22:38. | |
language? I did not say sacrifice. These were four boys born and | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
brought up in this country who had watched television and been part of | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
our culture and sat in a room and decided to blow themselves apart in | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
order to kill lots of innocent Londoners. We cannot deny that. That | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
is what they said. That seems like an apologist for terrorism. They sat | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
in a room and consciously decided to kill innocent people. That is | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
unacceptable and to apologise for that is also unacceptable and he | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
should do the right thing and remove himself from front-line Labour Party | :23:11. | :23:13. | |
politics and apologise to the British people for what is a | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
deplorable way to conduct himself. The deputy general secretary of the | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
union and the bus driver of the bus that was blown up in Tavistock | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
Square was a member of the union and that is one of the reasons he was so | :23:29. | :23:33. | |
angry last night, that one of his members was involved in that attack, | :23:34. | :23:37. | |
and to have Ken defending those who committed that atrocity is exactly | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
why he should apologise and resign from the review. That is a lie. I am | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
not defending them. I am not apologising for them. I recruited | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
the thousands of extra police are we could defeat terrorism in London. I | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
went and met the victims and families afterwards and shared their | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
grief. One of my staff had their legs blown off in that. I am not | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
apologising for this. I put in place the mechanisms that allowed us to | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
stop almost all the terrorist attacks. What they did is | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
outrageous. I did not apologise for them or justify what they are | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
doing. I told the truth that Tony Blair was warned if you go into Iraq | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
you increase the risk of a terrorist attack in this country and I am sure | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
that is exactly what David Cameron is doing now. In terms of further | :24:30. | :24:36. | |
action,... I want to bring you before we move on to what happens | :24:37. | :24:43. | |
next an email from someone whose sister was killed in Russell Square | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
. She says we love again with our grief when we hear comments like | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
that. It is not intelligent, it is the comment of a stupid man who | :24:57. | :25:02. | |
wants to upset people. Someone whose son David died at Edgeware Road says | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
not only is he accepting their excuses by saying they have a cause, | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
he is legitimising terrorism and giving them an identity they do not | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
deserve. As a senior politician I struggle to see how he can do that. | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
He has no sympathy for the victims' families. What do you say to those | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
relatives? Do not believe the interpretation of this. They are | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
listening to your words. They are listening to you now and that is | :25:36. | :25:43. | |
what they say. I'd put in place thousands of extra police to make it | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
more difficult for them to do that. We did a lot to work with the | :25:48. | :25:54. | |
victims and their families of those who died and the survivors. I | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
denounced what they dead and I denounce it today but we have to | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
recognise they did not do it without a political reason and Tony Blair | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
increased risk of that terrorist attack when he took the decision to | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
invade Iraq based on Eli. There was no threat to us from weapons of mass | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
destruction. It cost not just the lives of 52 Londoners but hundreds | :26:18. | :26:21. | |
of our troops who were sent into a war a falsehood. Norman wants to | :26:22. | :26:28. | |
come in. After last night's meeting of the Parliamentary Labour party, | :26:29. | :26:37. | |
Jeremy Corbyn was asked directly and he absolutely did not give his | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
support again get Livingstone's remarks. It seems Ken Livingstone is | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
on his own because Jeremy Corbyn is not backing him on this. It would | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
seem to me that Ken Livingstone is pretty much on his own. Is it time | :26:52. | :26:59. | |
for you to back down? You heard what Norman was saying about Jeremy | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
Corbyn's spokesperson. All my life and politics people have said to me | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
why did you say that? My response has been, because it is true. Go on | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
data from then. You will have it on record. There are the terrorists | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
saying we did this because of Iraq. I do not think they were lying. That | :27:21. | :27:26. | |
is exactly why they did it. There will be people in Syria in Isil | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
thinking if they start bombing they will make more of an attempt to come | :27:32. | :27:36. | |
over here and kill more Brits. You were widely praised at the time of | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
the events in London in 2005. Why do you seem determined... It is very | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
hard for Labour Party members to understand why you seem determined | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
to destroy that record. I am not destroying the record, I am telling | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
the truth. Are you telling me those bombers did not do this because of | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
our invasion of Iraq? Are you telling me Tony Blair was not warned | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
this would make us a target? Most of us find it really hard and | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
impossible to understand what motivates suicide bombers. How can | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
you possibly assume you understand? 9/11 was before Iraq and there were | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
terrorists blowing up planes and telling innocent people. People all | :28:21. | :28:27. | |
over the world are uneasy about what is happening in the Middle East. | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
Angela and I disagree on the solution but we absolutely agree | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
that Ken Livingstone's comments were unacceptable and given the two | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
emails you have had from relatives of people who were killed, that sums | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
up the mood of the country and Ken Livingstone would do himself good if | :28:44. | :28:51. | |
he apologised. Will you apologise? I am not going to apologise for a lie | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
that is being perpetrated in the media. I did not support the | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
terrorists. We put in place the measures to defeat them. I did not | :29:00. | :29:04. | |
justify what they do but we have to understand why they do it. The | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
information I have from this comes from the Counter Terrorism Unit | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
which was trying to find out reasons and motivation. You're not going to | :29:13. | :29:18. | |
defeat this terrorism if you do not understand the causes of it. We have | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
been intervening in the Arab world Rover 100 years always with | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
disastrous consequences and unless we can build a genuine United | :29:30. | :29:36. | |
Nations force to go and defeat Isis we will be standing here in a few | :29:37. | :29:39. | |
weeks or months discussing the loss of life due to another terrorist | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
attack in Britain. We should not be supporting air strikes in Iraq on | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
that basis. I do not understand why so many people opposed to air | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
strikes in Syria have nothing to say about the fact we are engaged in | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
Iraq on air strikes. We are stuck in Iraq because of that legacy. Isil | :30:01. | :30:07. | |
does not recognise borders. They ignore that and move backwards and | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
forwards. The only way you are going to defeat them is with troops on the | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
ground. The Nazis were bombing London night after night in the | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
Blitz and it did not break our will. My mum got up every morning | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
and went off to work in a passion. Sometimes 500 Londoners were killed | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
in a night and it did not break our will. There has to be troops on the | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
ground and a broad coalition. It cannot be seen as another American | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
intervention looking after oil interests. I disagree with Angela | :30:38. | :30:44. | |
that we should not be extending air strikes into Syria because there is | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
no ground troop back-up to hold the ground that is gained. In Iraq there | :30:49. | :30:54. | |
is limited air strikes but there is Kurdish and Iraqi forces on the | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
ground able to advance into that ground and whole background. What | :30:59. | :31:03. | |
Ken Livingstone is saying is that is acceptable but it is not acceptable | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
in Syria and I agree but you cannot see it is OK to do it any Iraq now | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
but not in 2003 and blame that on the terrorist attack in London. It | :31:14. | :31:15. | |
is intellectually incoherent. It just happens to be what those | :31:16. | :31:25. | |
terrorists who took 52 Londoners' lives gave as their motive. Doesn't | :31:26. | :31:33. | |
the fact that the border between Iraq and Syria has effectively | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
disappeared somewhat change the picture and, is it not the case as | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
well, that this isn't just about military ache strikes, it's also | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
about supporting the free Syrians on the ground and ensuring that we have | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
the diplomatic initiatives in place to support? We need to create the | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
space by putting Isil on the defensive, by degrading Isil, before | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
we even think about seriously taking forward the diplomatic and political | :31:59. | :32:05. | |
initiatives. Is that not the case? Well, the simple fact is that the | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
vast bulk of what's called the Free Syrian Army are not much different | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
from Isil and we haven't heard Cameron saying there's 70,000 troops | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
on ground, the Americans think it's about 35,000, but many of those are | :32:20. | :32:24. | |
extremist fanatics as well. You are not going to be able to assemble a | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
Kurdish inside Syria because of the state of it. We have to have | :32:30. | :32:32. | |
intervention from troops abroad if we are to defeat Isis. Have you read | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
the response to the committee report? Have you actually read it? | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
Yes. So you'll have seen... I've seen... It's work going on, not just | :32:43. | :32:49. | |
to support the Syrians who've taken Isil territory and who've taken | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
territory in Syria, there's a lot of support going in there to establish | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
civic and political structures to stabilise those parts of Syria that | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
are in the hands of the free Syrians and surely therefore it's ridiculous | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
to argue that all the Free Syrian Armies are made up of Isil | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
sympathisers, surely? I'm not arguing that, I'm saying some are | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
from different ethnic backgrounds, it's an horrendous Civil War going | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
on there, you are not about to see a nice group of liberal minded | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
democrats coming together to defeat Assad and Isis, if you are going to | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
do something, it has to be ground troops from outside coming in and | :33:31. | :33:34. | |
establishing a fair and democratic system for the future. I want to | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
bring in some comments before we wrap up what obviously has been a | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
lively conversation. Craig saying, I'm not a great fan of Ken | :33:45. | :33:46. | |
Livingstone but he's absolutely correct, why don't the BBC report | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
the facts rather than bowing to the current political agenda, it's | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
disgusting. Nicola says, he's telling the truth and in no way | :33:54. | :33:57. | |
defending terrorists. Miles says it's an appalling attitude of Ken | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
Livingstone, I feel sick, he has no place on British politics. I'm | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
furious, says another viewer, I think he should resign over his | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
appalling comments on this and mental health which has alienated | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
people suffering from mental health issues. A final thought from each of | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
you, because this bombing looks almost certain is going to go ahead. | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
Ken Livingstone, and I want you all to say your thoughts on this, does | :34:21. | :34:26. | |
it make us safer or not? It won't make us safer in the short-term and | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
therefore what we need to see is a real increase in domestic security | :34:32. | :34:34. | |
and restoration of the cuts we have seen in policing here in London. We | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
need police on the ground, they are very good at collecting information | :34:40. | :34:43. | |
and passing on and helping to identify potential terrorists | :34:44. | :34:44. | |
suspects. Ian? I don't think anyone can really | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
answer that question with any certainty. I think the only thing | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
you can do is get the Syrian state back to a democratic state where | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
people and Syrians can go and return home and help the fight against Isil | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
and Isis from that base. That's really the only thing that we can | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
achieve at the moment, so I'm not sure anyone can answer | :35:04. | :35:05. | |
achieve at the moment, so I'm not great certainty. Angela? I think | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
that actually we are seriously at risk in any case | :35:11. | :35:12. | |
that actually we are seriously at that engagement in the work of the | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
coalition in Syria will make us, well, will increase the | :35:20. | :35:22. | |
we are already involved in Iraq and the work of the coalition. | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
we are already involved in Iraq and think actually we have very little | :35:28. | :35:29. | |
choice other than to join our coalition allies. So let's remember, | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
who's asked us to join this fight in Syria, so I really don't think we | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
have any option. It's with no great sense of - I think the majority of | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
people I've spoken to are in no way enthusiastic about this. There's no | :35:45. | :35:51. | |
jingoism around any of this, no gung-ho attitudes, everyone's heavy | :35:52. | :35:53. | |
hearted about this, but they don't see any choice. | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
Thank you all very much. Angela Smith, Ian Murray, Ken Livingstone | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
and Norman as well. A fault question component was a | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
and Norman as well. major factor when a plane crashed | :36:07. | :36:06. | |
into the Java Sea killing 162 people. The report into | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
the crash found actions killing 162 people. The report into | :36:13. | :36:18. | |
contributed to the disaster. Our correspondent is in Singapore. Tell | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
us more? Well, the details of the report have | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
us more? finally been released almost a year | :36:27. | :36:27. | |
after that crash took finally been released almost a year | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
all 162 people on board. finally been released almost a year | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
remind the audience what happened. The plane was on its way to | :36:34. | :36:41. | |
Singapore when it lost contact with air traffic control in Singapore and | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
then disappeared off the radar screens. What investigators have | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
been able to tell us today is that it appears there have a crack in one | :36:50. | :36:53. | |
of the components on board if aircraft, setting off four warning | :36:54. | :36:56. | |
signals for the pilots. As they tried to fix the problem, they lost | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
control of the plane, basically resetting the plane and turning off | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
the autopilot. Investigators said as a result of this accident on board, | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
there was no way for the pilots to recover from the situation and that | :37:10. | :37:12. | |
caused the plane to crash. Now, the boss of the airline, Tony | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
Fernandez, has already been commenting on Twitter saying it's a | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
massive tragedy not just for the people on board but for the families | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
of those left behind and he said there were lots of lessons to be | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
learnt for the industry and the airline itself. | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
Thank you very much. Commuters on the London Underground | :37:36. | :37:39. | |
are being handed cards telling them they are a fat, ugly human by a | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
group claiming to hate and resent fat people. | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
British Transport Police have asked anyone targeted to contact them. Our | :37:48. | :37:53. | |
correspondent Helen Fawkes is here. What is going on? This all started | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
after A person went on social media to share a card she was handed. It | :38:01. | :38:07. | |
was reportedly done by an organisation calling itself | :38:08. | :38:11. | |
Overweight Haters Ltd and a card which had the tagline: | :38:12. | :38:36. | |
British Transport Police are watching what's happening. What do | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
they say? Transport for London have said that all customers have the | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
right to travel with confidence and they've called this a sad, | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
unpleasant form of antisocial behaviour. They say it will not be | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
tolerated and they are urging anyone who has something similar happening | :38:55. | :38:57. | |
to them to come forward to police or station staff. Thank you. | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
Psychiatrists have concluded that the Yorkshire Ripper, | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
Peter Sutcliffe, is no longer mentally ill. | :39:04. | :39:05. | |
They are recommending he's transferred to | :39:06. | :39:07. | |
a specialist prison from Broadmoor high security hospital, where he's | :39:08. | :39:09. | |
I'm Jack. I see you are still having no luck catching me. I have the | :39:10. | :40:09. | |
greatest respect for you, George, but Lord, you are no nearer catching | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
me now than four years ago when I started. | :40:15. | :41:08. | |
The final decision on moving him will be made by the | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
Now a model who was told to slim down before she got on the modelling | :41:12. | :41:28. | |
books has told us why she's taking a petition to Downing Street. She's | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
calling for a law to protect young models from becoming pressurised | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
into becoming dangerously thin. She's a size 8-10 and is 23. When I | :41:37. | :41:43. | |
went to an agency, I was like I was now, I was a size 8. They said they | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
wanted me to slim down. How do they evaluate you? They measure you. Like | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
a meat market? Every time you go into an agency, they'll measure you | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
and say, you need to fix this and that. I went in and my hips were too | :41:57. | :42:01. | |
big, they said I needed to slim down. I went away lost about ten | :42:02. | :42:05. | |
pounds. You were told to slim down to the bone, that is the way they | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
described it? Yes, I looked ill when I went back, I'd lost that much | :42:12. | :42:14. | |
weight. They said we want you down to the bone. Tell us what you want? | :42:15. | :42:22. | |
I mentioned the BMI rule in Paris? I want models to be healthier. How do | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
you define that? Not pushing themselves in drastic ways to lose | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
weight, so not just eating certain things like girls are eating cotton | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
wool and popcorn to stay thin. Cotton wool? To fill up their | :42:36. | :42:42. | |
stomachs, yes. I've had a friend say that's what happened at a show. | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
Girls do such drastic things. They think modelling is going to be | :42:47. | :42:49. | |
really promising, they want to be on the catwalk and do well and the | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
agency want them to lose weight and you get praise if you are thin. So | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
do the agencies need to be told, do not praise for thin? Yes, there | :43:00. | :43:04. | |
needs to be a shift where agencies are more aware that healthiness is | :43:05. | :43:08. | |
what matters and it should be the goal for the models. They shouldn't | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
be pressuring us to lose weight. You can watch the full interview on our | :43:16. | :43:18. | |
programme page which will be there shortly. If you missed Ken | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
Livingstone in conversation with Angela Smith and Ian Murray for | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
Labour a few moments ago, that'll be on the programme. Loads getting in | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
touch on that one. Pete on twelfther says Ken is right. Phil says he is | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
right, what is wrong with your other panelists, they are crazy. Claire | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
says don't apologise for telling the truth, I agree. Another viewer says | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
the bombers laid down their lives but the lives of 55 innocent | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
Londoners, disgraceful. Thank you so much for your company and ail your | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
comments today. I'm back tomorrow, have a lovely afternoon. Bye. | :43:55. | :44:02. | |
Who is this dangerous renegade, this maverick, | :44:03. | :44:05. |