13/01/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

The man who claims to have fathered up to 800 children

It's legal but unlicensed and there are concerns that some

-- concerns about what it could mean for the children.

Private sperm donors now help out more people than regulated sperm

Back to work for tens of thousands of junior doctors on strike.

Their 24 hour walk-out ends this morning -

now efforts begin to avoid a second one in two weeks' time.

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man who claims to have fathered up to 800 children

through sperm donation. 41-year-old Simon Watson

is an online sperm donor - it's cheap, easy and

completely unregulated. Every year, thousands of women

in the UK are so desperate to get pregnant that they turn

to online donations - risking getting a sexually

transmitted infection or having They do this because very few women

are eligible for artificial insemination on the NHS

as the criteria are very strict. Private licensed clinics cost

between ?500 and ?1,000 Simon Watson charges

?50 for his services - I'd like to get the world record

ever, make sure no-one's going to break it, get

as many as possible. Usually about one

a week pops out, so... I reckon I've got

about 800 or so, so far. I just picked up the

results from hospital. I get tested three months to show

I've got no nasty things. I always post a copy

on the internet so people can My name's Simon Watson

and I'm a sperm donor. If you go to a fertility clinic,

there's loads of hurdles you've got They make people sit

through counselling sessions and they make you go

through huge amounts of tests and then charge absolute fortunes

for the service but, realistically, if you've

got a private donor, you can just go and

see them, meet them somewhere, get what

you want and just go. I charge them ?50 and that's it

for the magic potion pot, and then I give them a syringe

with the pot and then leave So what you do is basically

unregulated sperm I privately meet people

on the internet. Private sperm donors now help out

more people than regulated There's Toddington

Services up the road. Some people choose to stay

overnight but a lot of them get the magic potion

from me, go and pop it in a soft You can do it standing

up in a services bathroom and off they go,

back on the way home again. I must've had 200 children

conceived in this place! Most of the people I help out tend

to be from Facebook. When people join

the site, I see their name and I send them a message

explaining the service I provide cos it's like artificial insemination

on me and I think they like the fact -- only. I'm not going to try

and get anything funny out Because I charge people

for my service, there's other people that would be happy

to provide by the service at

no charge but then they'd Some ladies are looking

for that, too. Some ladies are lady

couples, like the ones I won't know who they are,

unless they wanted to contact People say, am I being

irresponsible by not But I do if they want to be kept

track of but a lot of people tend to disappear and when

the kids are older I start getting message saying,

"here's a picture of such and such About a third of the people it

works on straightaway and about another third,

it might work second time around. Some people struggle but then that

could be all kinds of problems Blocked tubes, endomitriosis,

thickening of the womb lining If their technique's not good,

if they haven't put it in far enough, so that's not

going to help them. Yes, sorry I missed

you before, when I I haven't got anything

like sickle cell or I haven't got anything, sort of,

hereditary nasty or something The only people I wouldn't

donate to is if someone's You know, some people might be a bit

strange but that's not so bad but if they've completely lost it,

then I run a mile, you know. So I think you sound

like you'll be all right. I usually take it to

the customer myself. They're the syringes

I've been using for ages They're like sealed,

sterile ones, ten That's the sterile,

sealed polypropylene Right, I'll see you in

about half an hour or so. Idle hands make easy

work for the devil. I couldn't remember before

if I'd seen them or not. I couldn't exactly say

to them, "Oh, you know, I couldn't remember

if I'd seen you or not". I've got kids all the way

from Spain to Taiwan. I've got a bigger

spread than Genghis Khan. I don't think I've caught up

with him on numbers yet but I think Is there some sort of ego involved

in it, that you think that you're such a wonderful person

you want to spread your genes For example, I didn't get my first

girlfriend until I was about 18 I thought, "Oh, God,

I'm never going to get married I'd like to get the world record

ever, make sure no one's going to break it, get

as many as possible. Usually about one a week pops out,

so I reckon I've got about 800 So within about four years,

I would like to crack 1000. I think one of the biggest

criticisms I've heard about unregulated sperm

donation, ie private customers, private businesses like yourself,

is that there's a possibility of men taking advantage of women,

abusing women who are desperate I've never actually heard

about anyone that's been attacked There's a few strange ladies that

have said that things have happened In my own case, I've got

three of my own children and I always wanted to have

at least three kids. So the wife at that time,

although she at first said she wanted three, at

two she said she'd had So when I ended up getting

a divorce I thought, Rather than going

through all that again, I'd much rather go down

to a sperm bank, have kids there and if they ever

come and see me later, My oldest son Thomas has been doing

quite a lot on Facebook for me. That's been quite helpful,

to say the least. If you ever need, seriously

want to contact... I am glad you know he's

born happy and healthy. It's quite a funny job,

really, but somebody's A dirty job but somebody's

got to do it. Whereas if he wasn't

there to do it, they'd have to go without and,

I don't know, that's They could always have this one -

free to a good home. When a photograph comes up,

it makes me happy, really. I look at it and it's just nice

to think I've got another brother or sister out there

and someone else has, like... And you get that really often,

literally all the time. You just get a random

brother or sister come there say things like,

this is unregulated, it's dangerous. If you got that many

offspring - say 800 offspring - there's a chance

of incest in the future. I think realistically,

internet nowadays and everything like that,

if you know your parents used a sperm donor, send your DNA

off, straight up, get I think the fact

that you've got such a high sperm count probably

helps towards it, too. In a way, so many people,

for example, get divorced, so why bother going through all

this finding Mr Right? You might as well just go

and find a donor who suits what you're after and just

have a kid and you definitely You don't have to share them,

you don't have to share I'm not looking at the negative side

but it's just a fact. You can watch the film

again on our programme And we will be hearing

from the man himself, the independent regulator

of the UK fertility industry, who say they have safety

concerns, just after ten. Lots of you getting in touch. Corrin

is not sure it is a good thing for genetic diversity. Frank says

children have the right to know that biological parents and anonymity of

donors should be forgiven. Ness asks if the children are being raised

knowing who their biological father is. She says it is irresponsible if

not. Keep your thoughts coming in. I will be interviewing him later and

we will put some of your comments to him then.

Thanks for joining us today - still to come...

We'll have the latest on diplomatic efforts to release ten US sailors -

detained after allegedly straying into Iranian waters.

President Obama delivers his final state of the union address -

strongly defending his legacy and hailing America's place

But he also expressed regret that politics in the US had become more

Iran says the United States has apologised after ten American

sailors were arrested for entering Iranian waters.

Two US Navy patrol boats were seized by Iran in the Gulf.

US officials say the boats were on a training mission

A suicide bomb near a polio vaccination centre in Pakistan has

Polio workers have been the target of many deadly attacks

by Islamist militants because of their opposition

Most of those killed were police officers guarding the centre.

A strike by junior doctors in England comes to an end -

now there are fresh attempts to avert another one

Altogether just under 3,500 operations cancelled were cancelled

Millions of people in England and Wales are paying too much

for their water supply because of poor industry regulation,

They said many people would be "appalled" to learn their water

Eto'o LaFell and walking to nursery alone has led police to the body of

her dead mother. The two-year-old girl was discovered by a police

community support officer who was driving with his wife when they

spotted her. Nasa releases more details about

Tim Peake's upcoming spacewalk. The astronaut is due to leave

the International Space Station on Friday to replace

a failed power unit. It will be the first time that

a British astronaut has carried out Let's catch up with all

the sport now and join Ore and it was a thriller

at St James's Park last night. It really was. They definitely got

their money worth at St James's Park. Only yesterday we were talking

about how manager Louis Bandar was saying how he had been bored by his

Man Utd side over the last few weeks. Definitely not the case last

night. 3-3 between Man Utd and Newcastle United. Man Utd will

probably be the more disappointed. They lost 2-0, and 3-2, when Wayne

Rooney scored with a screamer before Paul Bennett equalised in injury

time. Steve McClaren actually predicted a 3-3 draw. They said

ironically because Newcastle had not scored in the last few games, and

Man Utd Haddin, wouldn't it be funny if it was a 3- through draw. -- 3-3

draw. Also in rugby union today, a will be interesting for the England

rugby union side because the new coach Eddie Jones will name his

first elite squad ahead of the six Nations next month. What will that

mean for the England side and the new captain? We won't know that

today but we are hearing that it will be a disappointing day for

Danny Cipriani, the fly half at Sale where it looks like he will be

overlooked yet again. We will bring you all of that newsletter.

We have some breaking news from Fifa announcing it has dismissed Jerome

Valcke of secondary tremble of Fifa with immediate effect. -- as

Secretary General of Fifa. We will bring you more on that later.

The first doctors' pay strike in 40 years finished an hour

It saw medics with placards standing at picket lines outside 150

hospitals in England, and just under 3,500 operations

cancelled, many of them day cases, but more than 1,200 affecting

There are two more strikes scheduled in the coming weeks.

Yesterday we held a debate about the strike and spoke to health service

workers about their views. As junior doctors, we are already stretched

with what we're currently doing, so the government may say we're not

going to provide any more junior doctors. We are not going to change

the play. And yet we appeared to have more junior doctors working at

weekends. What we say is where are you getting these junior doctors

from? Because at the moment the maths just doesn't add up and it

seems like it is all political spin unfortunately. If we are going to

talk about wages, safe delivery of professionals in the hospitals, the

mistake we have made here is to talk about one group. It is more than

just doctors that work in hospitals, we need to talk about the conditions

of everyone who works in the NHS together, and only by doing that can

we create an NHS that provides the care it needs seven days a week

safely. That was part of our discussion yesterday.

Let's talk about the strikes impact now with Chris Hopson,

Chief Executive at NHS Providers - which represents NHS Trusts.

Just to be clear on your position, you speak in behalf of the NHS

trusts but you don't actually carry the responsibility and you are not

directly involved in this dispute? Correct. Around 3500 operations

cancelled during the strike. Was patient care compromised? Clearly,

there will have been 3500 grandmothers, mothers, sisters,

brothers, who were waiting for an operation or a procedure yesterday

who probably will be in some pain, who probably have been waiting for

an operation, and who therefore had that procedure or operation

cancelled, so they clearly has been an impact on them. On these

occasions, the NHS of course does everything it can and did everything

it could to ensure that patient safety was not compromised. There

are two more walk-outs scheduled and hopefully this dispute may be over,

they may not go ahead, but if they do, a third of the walk-outs is 10th

of February, which would be a full withdrawal of labour, junior doctors

won't cover emergency care. Can patient safety be guaranteed then?

There is a real concern, the second strike is a 48-hour strike, and

clearly it is one thing covering a 24 strike, a different thing

covering a 48-hour strike. But as you say, a third projected strike is

the first time ever that emergency care would be withdrawn. Clearly

that is something that does concern hospital managers. If we get to that

point, we would clearly need to have a dialogue with junior doctors and

with the BMA about if we found in a hospital that patient safety

generally was -- genuinely was compromised, could we call junior

doctors back in? How acrimonious is this now? And looking at what

happened yesterday and the way the strike was conducted, what do you

think specifically about Sandwell hospital in West Bromwich putting up

that level four alert, telling its doctors they had to go back to work?

In terms of the general question, I think there is a real concern

amongst our hospital chief executives about how acrimonious the

strike has been. I have been really concerned for example about some of

the language that has been used on social media, which I think is

really polarising people. On both sides? I don't want to point fingers

but I am saying the debate has become very black-and-white where in

reality there are lots of shades of grey here. In terms of individual

hospitals, and you mentioned Sandwell, I can't particularly about

that but hospital managers, if they think they potentially have a real

issue, it is easier exactly the right thing to go to the local BMA

representatives and say we have a real problem here, could you

consider letting junior doctors come back off strike so that I can

guarantee safety in my hospital. That is what you expect a hospital

manager and Chief Executive to do. It has been claimed by some it will

be a fraudulent attempt to break the strike, does that help the situation

at the moment when is acrimonious? I don't think so. What would it is

these things are not resolved in industrial pursuits, it is by going

around the table and having a sensible conversation, which by the

way recognises the unique and important contribution junior

doctors make to a hospital. I talked hospital chief executives every and

what they say to me is junior doctors are fundamental to the

running of my hospital, it is very important that we have the right pay

terms and conditions, and that they should be motivated. The second

thing they want to say to these look what has happened in the national

economy in the last 50 years, local government, retail, manufacturing,

we have moved to 24 hour, seven day a week services, and contracts have

had to change to reflect the fact we are now having to provide that

service 24 hours a day, seven days a week. What we are saying is the

National Health Service is one of the very few bits of our economy

where we are providing a service, the clue is in the word National

Health Service, and we haven't moved towards full 24 hours a day, seven

days a week services. In every place where it has happened in every other

part of the national economy, that has been accompanied by a change to

contracts and that is what needs to happen here. Would you say the

doctors are in transit and -- intransitive? No, but two things

need to happen, we need to appropriately rewarded junior

doctors for the contribution they make to the NHS but we also have to

modernise the service because we have to provide the right service to

the 53 million people in this country who pay their tax payers

money to make the service work effectively, we need to modernise

the contracts. When you say appropriately reward doctors, they

are not asking for more money, what they don't think is acceptable is

that they are being asked to do more anti-social hours, potentially more

hours for the same money. So they regard that as effectively a pay cut

and undermine Dean -- undermining their value. We have a group of

independent pay review bodies who have been in place for the last 45

years. A year ago, all of us, the junior doctors, ask, the Department

of Health, employers, everyone had a chance to make a contribution to

that independent pay review body and they looked at all of the evidence,

and what they came back with, they said the current contract is out of

line with every other sector in the UK economy. We are the only people

who are defining weekend and night working in as broad a set of hours

as we currently are. So their conclusion was that the hours that

are defined as not normal do need to change in order for the NHS to be in

line with the rest of the economy. That sounds like he'll is being dug

in on that side. Junior doctors have made clear they will walk out, they

are digging their heels in too. How can there be any compromise? We all

need to come around the negotiating table and agree. Will it need more

money in the end? The government has made it clear that particularly in

this period of austerity, and we do elect governments to make decisions

such as how much do we want to spend on the National Health Service, the

government has made it clear there is no more money and that

effectively with you to come around the negotiating table, as I said, we

are not on one side or the other, we are very clear that we must value

the contribution junior doctors make. Equally, we are very clear

that contracts do need to be modernised, because patients deserve

a 24 hours a day, seven days a week service. How careful a line needs to

be trodden when you are relying on how much the health service does

rely on junior doctors, they make up half the medical workforce. When you

look at a statistic that says just under half of junior doctors once

they have completed their initial run of training in the NHS don't

carry on with that to become a GP or pursue a specialism, so they are

being lost at that stage. And clearly that is a huge concern. Is

that morale? When you talk to junior doctors and hospital chief

executives, they recognised the pay terms and conditions are one part of

the process, but there was no doubt our National Health Service with an

ageing population is coming under increasing pressure, and certainly I

have the privilege of visiting already this year three or four

hospitals, and my senses they are under increasing pressure, so the

workforce is under pressure as well, and therefore it is ready important

that we recognise the contribution junior doctors make, that we get the

right terms and conditions, but we also look at other things. We asked

our junior doctors to work at night. One of the things they say to us as

there are no longer the catering services to get healthy nutritious

foods at hospital at night. That is issues like that that are really

important, however that mustn't cover up the fact that just as every

other part of our national economy has changed contract to provide this

24 hours a day, seven days a week service, we will need to change

junior doctors contracts. We just need to do it in a way that is

equitable and fair. Chris, thank you.

Our political guru Norman Smith is in Westminster.

We have had one strike, two more in the offing. What are the prospects

for negotiations going forward? Not hugely helpful, I have to say. The

BMA are seemingly determined to press ahead with the strikes they

don't get any sort of deal. Just talking to poke around Mr Hunt this

morning, they are making it very clear that come what may Mr Hunt is

going to introduce these new contracts. It can be he hopes by

agreement but if it is not by agreement then I am being told he

will impose them and the way it would work is that when the new

junior doctors came on stream, I think they start in August, they

would automatically begin on these new contracts with weekend working

and the evening hours working, and then the existing 50,000 or so

junior doctors, the new contracts would be sort of rolled out among

them as they move on from different training posts to different levels

of seniority, because each time they do that apparently, they get a

of seniority, because each time they set of terms and conditions, so they

would then have the new contract imposed upon them then. Which

bluntly means that unless the BMA reach some sort of deal, Mr Hunt

will impose these contracts, and they could be in place, rolled out,

introduced by the middle of next year. The second thing is I get the

sense that the pressure is really being cranked up on the BMA now,

because we have had warnings from some NHS bosses today that if they

go ahead with this planned all-out strike in February, as we are

hearing, patient safety could be compromised, translated to English,

lives could be lost. Now you can imagine the sort of pressure that

will be heaped on the British Medical Association to back off from

going ahead with that. So I get the real sense it is hardball time here

and the government is looking the BMA in the eye and saying, you have

got to back down here. Although this morning, Jeremy Hunt, as he left for

work, a little bit more forthcoming than he was yesterday, he was not

terribly communicative, but against resting he thought the strikes were

completely unnecessary. What is next for your negotiations

with junior doctors? I hope they succeed, we hope to settle this but

it was a very unnecessary strike. What will you do to make sure there

is not another strike? Glad to see he has a helmet on! One

other thing which is really making this strike harder to resolve is the

fact that it is becoming, it seems to me, increasingly political. When

we were at Saint Thomas's, John McDonell, the shadow chancellor,

joined us as a and straighten that Labour is the junior doctors. Let me

whistle of Jeremy Corbyn's Facebook page. If we just scroll down a bit,

there is an interesting post here from Jeremy Corbyn yesterday and the

language is interesting. He says, "No NHS worker takes like to leave

the decision to strike but the blame must be laid at the door of this

government of the way it is treated doctors and now seeks to smear them

in the press." Why that makes it harder is that this is a dispute

which is already incredibly difficult to resolve. It has been

going on for years. They have been negotiating for months. They have

been at ACAS for weeks. Perhaps the last thing you need is for political

lines to be drawn up and that seems to be what is now happening with

Labour very firmly allying themselves... It is the first time I

think the Labour Party has publicly allied themselves with a strike.

Since I can remember, really. It is a marked shift under the corporate

leadership. They are saying, we are with the junior doctors, we are on

their side. My guess is that that is going to make it even harder to get

some sort of resolution of this dispute.

Thank you, Norman. Coming up, we meet the man

who claims to have fathered up to 800 children

through sperm donation. Plus, the fertility regulator

who say they have safety concerns. Let us know your thoughts. That is

coming up a little later. In Washington last night,

President Obama delivered his final State of the Union address,

setting out the agenda for his last year

in the White House. The speech, which was to a joint

session of Congress, of the themes which President Obama

will shape his presidential legacy. One empty chair was left in the room

to represent those who have been The President championed his record

on the country's finances, saying the US has the strongest,

most durable economy in the world. More than 14 million new jobs,

the strongest two years of job growth since the 1990s,

an unemployment rate cut in half. Our auto industry just

had its best year ever. That's just part

of a manufacturing surge that's created nearly 900,000 new jobs

in the past six years. And we've done all this

while cutting our deficits Mr Obama sought to reassure

Americans about their place He vowed to continue

targeting terrorist groups, tackling climate change -

and launching a new drive The President also hit back

against the negative tone He didn't mention Donald Trump

by name, but he condemned his call When politicians insult Muslims,

whether abroad or our fellow citizens, when a mosque

is vandalised, or a kid is called It diminishes us in

the eyes of the world. It makes it harder

to achieve our goals. The President also re-issued his

promise over the controversial I will keep working to shut down

the prison at Guantanamo. It is expensive, it is unnecessary

and it only serves as a recruitment And that's why we need

to reject any politics - any politics - that targets people

because of race or religion. And he addressed the threat posed

by so-called Islamic State. As we focus on destroying Isil,

over-the-top claims that this is World War III just

play into their hands. Masses of fighters on the back

of pick-up trucks, twisted souls plotting in apartments or garages -

they pose an enormous But they do not threaten

our national existence. And we sure don't need to push away

vital allies in this fight by echoing the lie that Isil

is somehow representative of one We just need to call

them what they are - killers and fanatics

who have to be rooted out, Republicans reacted to the speech

by saying Mr Obama's record has often fallen short

of his soaring speeches. The president is nearing the end of

his eight years in office. In a year's time, there will be

a new President and a newly elected So, for President Obama,

the months ahead are key in determining how he

goes down in history. Two US Navy patrol boats -

with a total of ten sailors on board - have been seized by Iran

in the Persian Gulf. US officials say the boats

were on a training mission between Kuwait and Bahrain

when one of them developed mechanical problems and drifted

into Iranian waters. Washington says the Secretary

of State, John Kerry, has been assured that the crew

will be returned promptly. With me now is our BBC

Persian correspondent Just talk us through what has

happened here. It seems that the Iranians also confirmed the American

version of this story. The commander of around's revolutionary naval

forces just said that there seems to be a mechanical problem in the

navigation system of one of the votes and he said that things will

probably be resolved very soon but there are contradictory reports as

well. Although the commander of the naval forces has said this, the

spokesperson of around's Revolutionary guard said that we

have to wait and it is too early to say whether they are going to be

released soon or not. Mixed messages. What are the indications

on the likelihood of how quickly this can be sorted? It is difficult

to say when it will be sorted but I'm sure that the Iranians

government is keen to get it sorted very soon because these are very

sensitive days for Iran. The Iranian nuclear deal is going to be

implemented probably in the next week, which has taken two years for

the Iranians and the Americans to reach, so I think this is not

something any of the sites would like to see as a problem between the

two countries. And we have to remember that where these sailors

were as between Iran and Saudi Arabia and those are very tense

meetings and a lot is going on there. There are many countries that

are navigating in those waters, so because of these problems to Iran

and Saudi Arabia, Iran is also more sensitive. People might remember the

Royal Navy being caught up in something similar several years ago.

I think it was 2007. That went on for nearly two weeks. Are there any

similarities or does this look different? I think it looks

different because they haven't accused anyone of trying to do

anything wrong. They seem to have agreed that there was a genuine

mechanical problem. Back then, it seemed that the British sailors were

in the water That were disputed between Iran and Iraq. It is a very

narrow piece of water And there are a number of countries that have

claims on those waters and it is very difficult and we will see more

of these disputes in future, so this is not the end of it, but it seems

that this time it will be resolved sooner. And the wider political

picture will obviously come into play, as well, you would assume?

Exactly, because the Prime Minister has spoken with John Kerry of the

latest is and they are very keen but we have to remember that Foreign

Minister Zarif is not the only decision make and it is not clear

how much influence he has over the Revolutionary guard. I'm sure he

will try his best but at the end of the day, he is not the sole

decision-making in the country. Thank you very much for updating us.

We speak to a victim of sexual assault who claims

she was let down by the criminal justice system.

Keep your thoughts coming in. We've been getting lots of your comments

on junior doctors striking and also lots of you getting in touch on the

sperm donor, who we saw are Paul Dunne earlier. We will be talking to

him after 10am so get in touch if you have any more thoughts on that.

He is saying he has fathered 800 children through sperm donation.

We will just quickly run through some of the e-mails we've had on the

Dr Strike yesterday. It ended at 8am. Tom is a nurse and says he sees

junior doctors working 70 hours a week and in real terms getting less

than the minimum wage. Tahrir Square is it was an interesting interview

but no money was available for the NHS but there was money available

for MPs. Another viewer asks how a Saturday is a normal day and whether

MPs classify Saturday as normal. Ace heart on Twitter wants to see their

MP on Sunday - any chance of that? Another viewer on Twitter says other

parts of the economy are not there to keep us alive. Doctors need to be

paid well and not overworked. Keep your thoughts coming in on that and

everything else we're talking about. Now let's catch up with the weather.

Matt is here. Let's return to one of our hot

topics weather-wise, El Nino. It has been helping to break records across

the world. The latest record to be broken all leads into this area of

cloud. It is this big white mass here. This is Harry Kane parley.

That is out in the central Pacific. What is significant about it is it

is the earliest recorded hurricane in this part of the world and

records go back some 66 years. It just goes to show how much warmth,

how much energy is in the Pacific at the moment because you need all that

warmth and energy for her against a form. It will stay over open waters

but whilst El Nino has peaked, we expect further records to be broken

over the coming months. When does the hurricane season

start? It doesn't start until June.

That's what I thought. I thought I must be wrong.

Prior to this one, in 1994, one formed on the 30th of January that

this was certainly unusual, so early in the season. El Nino may be

weakening now but it could have an impact on our weather later in the

winter. There was a bit of a sting to the tale as far as the UK weather

is concerned. This morning it is quite chilly. Colder weather on the

way later this week, particularly by night, as I will mention, but the

moment there was a chill in the air and most of us are starting with des

Dry. It is changing in the West. Our next batch of cloud is on the way.

The cloud will take over with outbreaks of rain, some sleet and

hill snow gradually working East. Persistent rain and snow across

parts of Northern Shetland but for the rest of north-eastern Scotland

down through northern England, a fine day in store, providing you've

wrapped up against the chill. Into the afternoon, showers are pushing

in towards the south-west of England and the could be the odd rumble of

thunder. Over the high ground of Wales, some sleet and snow, as we

see in the west of the Pennines and across the Cumbrian fells. Through

much of the East Midlands, across much of eastern England and for much

of the north of mainland Scotland, it will be dry. North-west England

and south-west Scotland, outbreaks of rain and snow. That uses for

Northern Ireland but will be there for much of the day. Essentially a

cloudy one for you. The system gives us a few concerns and particularly

to south-east Scotland. There is a Met Office Amber be prepared with

one in place for further disruption. We could see up to ten centimetres.

As the low-pressure dressed sourpuss, it is going to bring rain,

sleet and snow to just about anywhere. Clearing skies across

Scotland and Northern Ireland later leading to a frost, down to minus

six or seven. Icy conditions. For tomorrow morning's rush hour, it

could be quite difficult to stop icy conditions across the north and west

and a mixture of rain, sleet, snow and gale force winds. They could be

flakes of snow across the higher ground. Any covering of snow mainly

towards the high ground further north. It stays quite wet and windy

across eastern England for the afternoon. A few wintry flurries

into the West later but otherwise bright afternoon with some sunshine

but it is going to feel cold and the wind will make it feel even colder

still. It could feel more like minus one to minus three across some parts

the country. The wind still with us on Friday. Only a few showers out in

the West. Two parts of the north west Midlands, North West England

and North Wales, most will have a dry and sunny Friday. For the end of

the week, lots more sunshine and dry weather with just a few wintry

showers towards the east but it is going to feel cold, especially so by

night, where parts of Scotland could drop as low as minus 15.

Hello it's Wednesday, it's ten And o'clock

I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria, welcome to the programme if you've

The man who claims to have fathered up to 800 children

It's legal but unlicensed and there are concerns that some

women could be putting their health at risk.

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record lottery win - President Obama delivers his final

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astronaut has carried out Let's catch up with all the sport

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ethics committee had opened formal proceedings against him last week

relating to World Cup ticket sales. He had already been suspended. He

denies any wrongdoing. Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal has

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feared Russian doping was so out of control that athletes could have

died, six years before the country was banned from international from

edition. Leaked documents say that the IAAF warned the Russian

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lives in danger. It has been reported Danny Cipriani is among the

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'Victoria Derbyshire' This morning - we've heard

from the British man who claims to have fathered up to 800 children

through sperm donation. 41-year-old Simon Watson

is an online sperm donor - it's cheap, easy and

completely unregulated. Private licensed clinics cost

between ?500 and ?1,000 for each Simon Watson charges

?50 for his services - I would like to get the world record

ever, make sure no one is going to break it,

get as many as possible. I reckon I've got

about 800 or so so far. Within about four years,

I would like to crack a thousand, Yes, I just picked up

the results from the hospital. I get tested every

three months to show I always post a copy

on the Internet so My name is Simon Watson

and I am a sperm donor. If you go to a fertility

clinic, there are loads of hurdles you have

got to go through. They make people sit

through counselling sessions and they make you go through huge

amounts of tests and then charge Realistically, if you have

got a private donor, you can just go and see them,

meet them somewhere, get what you want,

go and that is it. I charge them ?50 and that is it for

the magic potion pot. And then I give them a syringe

with the pot and leave them to it. Most of the people I help out tend

to be from Facebook. When people join the site,

I see their name and I send them a message explaining

about the service I provide. It is like artificial insemination

only, and I think they like the fact that I do that and I'm not

going to try and get something funny Because I charge people

for my service, there are other people who would be happy to provide

the service with no charge, but they want a bit of fun

out of the customers. Some ladies are

looking for that too. Some ladies are lady couples,

like the ones I met today. I would not know who

they were unless they I don't plan to stop. I would like

to get the world record ever, make sure no one is going to break it,

get as many as possible. Usually one week pops out. I reckon I have about

800 so far. Within about four years I would like to crack a thousand.

You can watch - and share - the full version of that film

via the programme page - bbc.co.uk/victoria

The independent regulator of the UK fertility industry -

the HFEA - is warning about the dangers of buying

They say it is better to go to a licensed clinic for safety

reasons and for clarity over legal parenthood.

So what are the risks of buying online?

We can speak to Simon Watson now - along with Laura Witjens -

the Chief Executive of the National Gamete Donation Trust

and Peter Thompson, who is Chief Executive of the HFEA,

the independent regulator of the UK fertility industry.

Thank you all very much for coming in. Simon, first of all, we have

seen your report, you reckon you have fathered 800 children? It is

difficult to tell the numbers really, but it is going to be

somewhere around there. How have you arrived at that figure? I have been

doing this the 70 years now, about 16. If you were to get the

calculator thing that doesn't work out. That as a baby a week. That is

what I reckon I am pumping out, really. Do you record all the

babies? I always write down who I have helped out, and when, so I have

always done that but a lot of people choose to be anonymous, and might

just come and say their name is such and such and meet me at a certain

hotel and disappear. Do you record every time a baby is born? When I

hear about them, then I do, but a lot of times what I want to do, like

my boy, when people start contacting me later on, because you never know,

as time goes on, people say I had a kid with you three years ago, so I

don't always hear straightaway. So 800 is a guess, it could be more or

less? I wet know for another 15 years or so by the time children

have started coming through, and coming-of-age, and saying they might

be wanting to go on the family tree. Is it a numbers game for you? I

wouldn't mind getting the world record, to say the least. Why? It is

just one of those things, I always wanted to have more than two

children, that is why I started doing it back in 99, but it sort of

snowballed when the internet started. Now it is going crazy with

people asking me from all over the place. You say it is just one of

these things, these are living, breathing children out there, and

you are dad to all of them. But at least they know I wanted them. I

will not poke my nose in where it is not wanted but they were to talk to

me, they can. I would organise big barbecue parties all over the place,

around country, do one in Derbyshire, one imports must. When

you say you wanted them, you are the father to them -- one in Portsmouth.

But you have no responsibility to them. But at least they know I am

not anonymous, and if they want to know who their dad is, I can

organise meetings, and it would be quite informal, a big barbecue, and

everyone will see their brothers and sisters, so it won't be

uncomfortable in that way. Do you think it is responsible to be

fathering so many children? Yes, I think so, because there is nothing

wrong with me, so it might as be someone who does not have any

genetic faults or hereditary diseases, and someone you will be to

get hold of in future if you want have more children. Some donors in

the past so they are not donating any more. That will never happen to

be. You are not obliged to have screening because you are

unlicensed. I get tested every three to six months. And I have all the

records. What do you get tested for? Aids, gonorrhoea, HIV antibody one

and two, I don't really understand it, gonorrhoea, syphilis, chlamydia,

what's the other one, hepatitis B and hepatitis C. The good thing is

they can listen back, if people wanted to, to all the test results

back to the beginning of January 2000 nine. To know I had been

cleaned all the way back. That is when the test started on the

telephone results hotline. So they can listen to that all the way back

if they want, so they know I have been clean continually. So a full

record on sexually transmitted diseases. What about your genetic

make-up, have you had genetic screening? I know I haven't got the

cystic fibrosis gene. I had a test before. One quarter of the British

population have that. It is not a problem unless both people have it.

What about a screening for other genetic diseases? I haven't got any

thing nasty at all. I used to work at a sperm bank years ago, and they

got me tested for the things that they test for, I can't run the names

of them. Can you guarantee to a woman coming to you that you have no

genetic diseases that you don't know of, because obviously there are 800

children out there, you reckon, they could be carrying genetic disease

are known to you. I was good enough for a sperm bank, if summary said

could you do a test, I would let the results go back to their house, so I

were to get me tested if you want. I would not have a problem with

someone doing the test on me. I am quite open about it. We talked about

the lack of regulation around the way you do it and that you are very

happy to hear from any of the children who you have fathered, in

this way. Do you worry about the mothers coming on your door, because

there is nothing to stop any of them coming to you and making a financial

claim? But then again, I have had two ex-wives who have not done too

badly me. But 800? They would have to have a good share out! But they

have the right to do it. That is the problem. It is more of a risk if

someone wants to start being a private donor and had a couple of

kids here and there, they would be an easier target. They could get

their 30% taken straight out of the bank account. In my case, it would

be more difficult calving up 800 ways. It would be a bit of a

pittance really. It isn't just in the way you talk about the numbers,

saying usually one baby pops out every week. You would like to crack

a thousand. We saw you beating your chest in the report earlier. A joke,

really. Is it some sort of match thing? I Muyters will keep going, I

don't what is wrong with it. If it was an animal, we would say that

animal is quite successful, they have managed to have a lot of

children but people don't really see it in that way. They say we are

quite happy to have one, two, three children, that's it. But I think

there is nothing wrong with having them all over the place, but some

people say is it dangerous to have so many, the risk of them into

breeding? There are 70 million people in England, and the last ten

people I helped out last year, out of the last 14, ten of them were

from outside England, so it is spread out anyway.

But it is a real question, the risk of half siblings meeting each other

down the line and not having a clue. But to give you an example, out

of... Say 90% of the couples I help our lesbian couples, they are pretty

much all going to tell the children who I am but in a clinic, I think

only about 65% of people helped in clinics don't tell the children that

they are even donor conceived. So the other way of looking at it is

this - if they had two fields to walk across and one had 800 minds

and you knew where they were and the other one had two hidden mines,

which one would you cross? The way I look at it is, the child has done a

family tree and later on as people want to get added to it, we can pop

them on it. That's a massive task of stock we can have two McRae family

trees on the go, one that people can see with online access code, and

another one just for ourselves, which will also have the

heterosexual couples who don't want to go public, so I can just keep

that, so no one is ever going to see that, except me and my son and my

daughters. Let's bring in Peter and Laura, Peter Thompson, how do you

see what Simon is doing? I think viewers will judge Simon's

motivations. I would like to say to anyone who's thinking about a donor

or using donated sperm, think about three things - protection, peace of

mind and preparation and care. If you use a licensed clinic, you can

be assured that the sperm that is donated has been screened for the

kind of diseases that Simon is talking about. If you use a licensed

clinic, you can have peace of mind over the legal uncertainties

involved. As Simon acknowledge, these are private arrangements. It

is quite possible he could be financially liable, whether or not

he is the legal father of the child, and if you use a licensed clinic,

that clinic will prepare both the patients and the donors for what's

involved. This is a serious matter. It's not a numbers game and clinics

will talk through the nature of commitment that donation involves.

These days, anonymity has gone so at the age of 18, a child can find out

certain information about the person who was their donor. This is a

serious matter and I think what we've seen today is frankly a

trivialising of children, donations and families. I don't even know

where to start how wrong this is an very different levels. The elephant

in the room are the children and the sector we work in, creating

families, is full of lovey-dovey language about helping, archery

stick, and we have pictures of lovely looking babies and open sea

strips but if we strip it down to its bare... We have a man who, for

whatever reason, feels that he has superior genes, because he doesn't

feel his jeans are average otherwise he wouldn't be doing this, are worth

spreading across the planet without any consideration of the children,

so it isn't just about who they unintentionally married. We have

enough social evidence and data to know that people struggle with

knowing that they have half siblings. Ten is already a huge

number and to have hundreds? I think you are immensely naive to think

that they will be having lovely barbecues. The women who allow these

practices, ultimately, are faced with two choices. Either they tell

that Simon is the father and they burden their children with knowing

that they have 800 or 900,000 half siblings... It's not a matter of

will I marry them? You have somebody in a train who has the same distinct

features and you think, could that be one of them? Or you don't burden

your child with knowing they have 800, 900 siblings, and they will

never know who their genetic father is, and that's the other thing. He

talks about "I'm not their father." Well, actually, I'll will be legally

you are. In most cases, legally you are. This is not about the

parenthood per se but for the women as well... Simon can only do this

because there are women out there who use him, who, for whatever

reason, feel it is easier to justify... They think that the

thousand pounds cost in the clinic is an optional luxury but this is

not the seat warmers of the cars. The security is the seat

not the seat warmers of the cars. the cars. They are there to protect

people and the children who turn into adults with questions and that

I find astounding. I want you to respond specifically to that point.

Have you considered the impact on a child if they are told that you are

their father and they are sitting wherever they are and they're

thinking, is that potentially one of my 800 or so siblings quiz Bob the

thing is, we all going to be known. It's not going to be like there's

unknown children all over the place. But people don't announce who their

father is when they are sitting on a train, if they are looking at

somebody and seeing a resemblance. It might be in their mind. It might

be a conversation starting point. You could say that about anyone,

really. If you are being told by your parents... I think you

underestimate how many parents tell. They will tell at the time because

they think it is lovey-dovey but there comes a point when they

realise, I need to tell my child that he has 800 or 900 siblings.

Maybe I will withhold that information. But if they do tell,

they have to acknowledge there are 800 900 half siblings. I think you

are underestimating the impact. Try imagining everybody here having been

told that they have 800 half siblings. You don't have to buy

Christmas presents for them. Just knowing that you have that many out

there who share half of your genes is a huge burden which we cannot and

should not underestimate. The HFEA Limited to ten families? Yes so if

you took three per family that might be 30 half siblings. We set that

level because there is good evidence out there... Laura is absolutely

right that in social and psychological terms, having that

number of half siblings seems about the maximum number that people can

reasonably deal with. I think the idea of somebody having 800 half

siblings is just extraordinary. I imagine most viewers would think

that. Is this making you think again? Not at all. The experience

I've got, everyone is well happy with it. The thought of having that

many... My boy thinks it's brilliant and my girl likes it. She's seen

some of the half sisters and we don't really column half sisters, we

call them brothers and sisters. How many have you met and how old are

the oldest quiz Bob I've met quite a few. Not a huge amount. There might

be some 16-year-olds out there. We are going to have to start kicking

off these barbecue party ideas quite soon. Nick an e-mail, I think what

Simon does is a special, life-giving thing. Thank to him, me and my

girlfriend had a bit of a little boy. Lesbian couples don't get the

help and support from the NHS and to do it privately cost thousands of

pounds stop Anthony and text - good on him making it possible to do what

is expensive to do via the regulated process. It is expensive to go down

other routes. It is not expensive but this is security you buy for

yourself and for your child. If you find ?1000 expensive for something

like this, over the course of a lifetime of a person, you have to

judge if you are fit as a parent. We're not talking seat warmers.

We're not talking an optional extra. We are talking about the safety for

yourself, and if Simon says there is nothing wrong with him, to be

perfectly honest, I dispute that. I utterly dispute that. Well, I think

you can judge by the numbers. I wasn't disputing the quality as a

sperm donor. I'm not disputing your qualities as... There is a reason

why there is an age limit, as well, for the donors because over 40,

there is a significant evidence to show that man in general, the

quality of the sperm has an increased risk of illnesses. 40 is

the cut-off? 40 is the cut-off and there is a reason for that. How old

are you? 41. If it goes on for four years, there is an increased risk of

children with mainly psychiatric illnesses which manifests later on

in life and I'm not sure whether you know... A lot of people have dads

who conceive naturally who are older. It is different if it is your

old child -- your own child. If it goes to 100 children, rather than

one or two, as in normal circumstances... Karen on Twitter

says a sperm donor does not make a father. He is a donor, not a dad.

Anyone thinking otherwise should not donate. Stuart on Twitter says he is

being hammered for trying to help desperate adults. He is hardly

cashing in big-time. You've said you want to hit 1000. I'll keep going.

I'm not going to stop. No reason to stop. As long as people want me, I

will keep going. Until when? Until people don't want it any more? In

your 60s? I will give you an example was that there is a man in Australia

who a successful donor and he is ageing and he is doing a good job. I

know some other people in England who are around 60 and still donating

and they have no problems. People are happy to use them and coming

back for more children so I think to myself, well, age is... For ladies,

it seems to be the worst problem when they start getting over 40,

then they are more likely to have a miscarriage than a baby but for men,

there was also evidence that they have more intelligent children. So

it is difficult to say at what age you should stop. This is not a

numbers game. There are important issues of public health at stake

here. If anybody is at all interested in becoming a donor or

using donated Gammons, they need to get good advice. I urge people to go

to our website. If you search and life-cycle, you find a whole series

of leaflets talking about the legal ramifications, the screening

requirements and the like. These are serious matters and people should

look at them seriously. Natalie on e-mail - Simon helped me. I properly

helped a few Natalie is. A lot of your comments are unfair. This man

shop helps people who don't get offered IVF because they are in

same-sex religion ships. As a parent to a healthy, happy one-year-old

conceived via a sperm donor, I will honestly say I will never go to him

for money because what he is giving us is priceless. Thank you all very

much for speaking so honestly and for sharing your perspectives on

this. I was just going to say, people can find me easily enough by

just looking me up on the internet. Simon Watson, sperm donor. Or if

they want to join up, I have over 25,000 people, so they can click on

Facebook and join the site saying "Sperm donor" or sperm donation and

you can find someone who will suit your needs in your part of the

country. Thank you very much for joining the discussion. Do keep your

thoughts coming into us on that and everything else we are talking about

this morning. Still to come before 11: Prison in Kent is told needs to

take urgent action to tackle the use of so-called legal highs

amongst tackle inmates. lets get an update on news we

brought you a few moments ago that a rainy and state television has

reported that the ten American sailors arrested for entering Iran's

territorial waters have been freed. With me is our BBC Persian

correspondent. Things are moving quickly. We spoke to you not that

long ago and it wasn't sure that they would be released. Is it

confirmed? It is definitely confirmed. The Iranians state

television said that they are released and, as I said earlier,

everything looked like it was going to happen soon and I think there is

definitely a sigh of relief among the people in Iran. They are more

moderate people in Iran. I'm sure Barack Obama's camp... We are seeing

that it has turned into an issue for the Republicans to attack Mr Obama

for showing leniency towards Iran and now this release will show that

probably the politics has worked this time. It was in everyone's

interests for this to be resolved quickly. Not everyone's interests

because we have on both sides people who don't want the Iranian nuclear

deal to go through and I think they were hoping that this will become an

issue, a bigger issue, than it already was. But I think the

majority of people on both sides are very happy. Thank you. Thank you for

joining us today. Still to come before 11: A Scottish

couple who won half of Saturday's record-breaking ?66 million rational

lottery jackpot are revealed. And good -- could budget cuts spell

the end of free museum and art gallery admissions?

President Obama has given a positive assessment in his final state of the

union address. He criticised the divisive tone US politics has taken.

Irani's state television is reporting ten American soldiers

arrested for entering Iranian waters have been freed. Tehran said US

officials have apologise for the incident which reportedly happened

because of faulty navigation systems on the vessels. A suicide bomber in

Pakistan has killed 15 people near a polio vaccination centre.

Polio workers have been the target of many deadly attacks by Islamist

militants opposed to the vaccination programmes.

Most of those killed were police officers guarding the centre.

A strike by junior doctors in England comes to an end -

now there are fresh attempts to avert another one

About 3,500 operations were cancelled during

Millions of people in England and Wales are paying too much

for their water supply because of poor industry regulation,

Water companies have made windfall profits of more than ?1 billion

because government regulators allowed them to charge consumers

unnecessarily high bills. A toddler found walking to nursery

alone has led police to the body The two-year-old girl was discovered

by a Police Community Support Officer who was driving

with his wife. NASA releases more details about

Tim Peake's upcoming spacewalk. If it does go ahead, it will be the

first time a British astronaut has carried out a spacewalk. He is due

to leave the International Space Station on Friday to replace a

failed power unit. Let's catch up with all

the sport now and join Ore. More news of that significant

sacking at Fifa. It is some significant news this morning, they

have sacked their general secretary, Jerome Valcke. He is one of the most

powerful figures in the global game and has been dismissed after ethics

charges were brought against him last month. Sources close to the BBC

have said a combination of factors made his sacking inevitable. He had

already been suspended, and faces a nine-year ban for a total of seven

alleged FA violations. Valcke has already denied any wrongdoing. What

about last night's football? There was nothing boring about Manchester

United's latest result, though manager Louis van Gaal says there

are 33 through -- their 3-3 draw against Newcastle United that like a

defeat. They led twice in the match was. Wayne Rooney's screamer looked

to have secured a third win in a row. And then this deflected shrike

in injury time in short the points would be shared at St James's Park.

The world athletics governing body, the IAAF, fear the Russian diving

was out of control that athletes could have died. That is six years

before the country was banned from international condition. Leaked

documents revealed yesterday showed the IAAF warned Russian athletics

that the blood levels of their athletes were putting their health

and even own lives in very serious danger. Tomorrow, a second report

from the world anti-doping authority into doping is due to be released,

which could mean more damaging headlines for the IAAF. The new

England rugby union head coach Eddie Jones will name his first squad

later today ahead of the six Nations. We won't find out who will

captain Jones's side just yet but the new coach could spring a few

surprises. Let's speak to Chris Jones who is in a London studio.

Chris, should we expect many changes of the squad? Yes, we shed, a

significant shake-up of the England setup will come this afternoon from

Eddie Jones. There could be as many as seven uncapped players in the 33

man squad. The 21-year-old Saracens forward, Miro Eto'o J, a player of

immense promise and ability. As well as him, the out to Jack Clifford, a

22-year-old back rower from harlequins and Josh Beaumont, son of

the former England captain Bill Beaumont, he is also in with a very

good chance of being in the Nick 's. Just three names, but a host of new

names expected as Eddie Jones ploughs on with this new era of

English rugby, following that World Cup disappointment. Does it mean

some established guys will miss out? Yes, the emergence of those younger

players means some Storl warts of the Stuart Lancaster regime, there

are places are under threat, perhaps Tom would, the Northampton flanker

who captain England as recently as the summer, his place is in danger,

also Ben Morgan the Gloucester, number eight Brad Barritt, the

Saracens centre, he could miss out. Danny Cipriani, the Sale fly half

also set to be excluded from the party but a couple of experience

names who missed the World Cup will come back in. Dylan Hartley, a prime

contender to captain England when that decision is made in a couple of

weeks' time, years also going to return, while money to a largely is

back from injury and could play a part later in the six Nations.

Plenty of movement, thank you very much for bringing us up to date. We

are expecting that announcement around 2pm.

I can tell you the names of two of the luckiest people in Britain this

morning. They have won ?33 million on the lottery. This is the picture

we are expecting to hear from them. David and Carol Martin from public

in the Scottish Borders, and there they are, wearing big grins and

carrying a very big cheque. -- from Howick. -- from Hawick in the

Scottish Borders will stop they are the first of the ticket holders to

be named. There is a second winning ticket to share in that ?66 million

jackpot from the weekend. We don't know who the others are yet but

there you go, David and Carol Martin from Hawick in the Scottish Borders,

winners of that ?33 million, half of the UK's biggest ever Lotto jackpot.

It says life changing at the top of that check, I think that can be

guaranteed. It must be pretty overwhelming for them, in front of

all of the media, and trying to digests the news was that lovely

news to digester, but lives changing overnight with that winning ticket.

Just a few days later, they are being unveiled before the media.

They will be speaking, and we will go back and hear from them shortly.

David and Carol Martin, Lucky them. Before free her from them, a bit

about Rochester prison. Staff at a prison in Kent have been

accused doing nothing, when faced with inmates under

the influence of drugs. A report by the Chief Inspector

of Prisons also criticises officers at Rochester Jail being complacent

about inmates using legal highs, which have similar

effects to illegal drugs. The former Chief Inspector

of Prisons, Nick Hardwick, who wrote the report,

said the prison had "not made the progress hoped for"

since its last inspection in 2013. This is what Nick had to say

to our programme about the threat of legal highs in prison

back in December. We could talk to both, thank you for

joining us. Mike, first of all, how would you describe the problems in

Rochester? They are quite deep rooted, not just isolated to

Rochester, something we are seeing across the entire estate at this

moment of time. I must start by defending the staff at Rochester, it

is a very tough environment, a lot of the units at Rochester only have

two members of staff, which works with upto 60 prisoners. Is that a

reason. Apparently seeing inmates high on drugs and apparently doing

nothing? You need the support of the powers that be behind you. A lot of

measures have been brought into place that don't protect those

staff, they are struggling to try and manage the policies that have

been put in place. Security, drugs being chucked over the wall, there

is no staff to search the outside area. Those parcels make it into

prisoners cells where they are distributed. There is no staff to

search those cells. It is very easy to blame the staff working in that

area not being able to tackle it but it is not the resources to tackle

it... But drug-taking is happening therefore under the noses of the

prison officers. What do they do? Do they just ignore it when they see it

happening? There are a lot of your location is going on, they put in

security. Let's bring in Bob Neil, I don't know if you could hear Mike

Ralph. Yes, I could. He was saying that Finney prison officers behind

them, how do you see this? Michael Gove, with a problem that blew up

only earlier with Medway Young offenders Institute down the road

was very quick about getting the top management in to get things sorted

out. They are putting things in place and stop it is a new type of

technology almost. We are even finding instances of Troon is being

used to get drugs in prison so it is a really serious matter. The

management have got to get a grip on this, but equally it is worth saying

that Rochester is staffed up to its proper levels, so it is not short of

staff, and the real thing it needs to do is to get the basics right. I

would have thought it is part of the basics. So who do you blame? I think

we need to first of all make sure that the top management of NOMS is

on the ground. It is tough being a prison officer, but basic managerial

techniques, things around not keeping the prison clean enough,

issues around the quality of the food, getting people to their work

sessions on time. None of that is rocket science. That is the sort of

thing that needs to be tackled. Mike said when you have two members of

staff working with 60 inmates in very difficult conditions, can they

be expected to do all of that? The interesting thing is that the Chief

inspector himself says that Rochester was staffed up to its

proper level. There are some establishments where I think it is

tough for prison officers because they are understaffed. Rochester

seems not to be one of them. There must be other reasons we need to get

to the back of, because everybody wants to see this sort of problem

sorted out. Do you have any suspicions on what those reasons

might be? Without going into the detail, we have had the top

management of the national management vendor service income and

we want to again. We have a new Chief Executive of prisons and it is

something our committee will want to talk to about. We need to join it up

properly, if you like, right from the top of the system to the officer

on the front line. Woodruff irks question be to those people? What

are their monitoring processes? I want to know why is it there has not

been the processes at Rochester that there should have been, that we

hoped there would be? There are some positives in the report but I think

we need to find out why the previous report indicated some difficulties,

and in some areas it may have gone backwards. You also need to tackle

the whole issue of legal highs, which is a new problem confronting

prison staff. They need support to be to deal with that. What do you

say to that? I agree with a lot of what Bob has said. There is the

problem that management do seem to be removed from those staff working

on the ground floor now. The top half of management are saying other

writings, doing all the ratings publicly, but not assisting the

staff on front line duties. Bob has touched on that point but I think

that is a real problem. It is becoming a pandemic around prisoner

stakes. You can't have someone sitting in an office ticking all the

boxes saying everything is working when quite clearly it isn't on the

shop floor. You talk about legal highs being a new issue. Can you

understand how it is happening? I know you have described the ways

they are getting into prisons by drones, whatever. Viewers might say

these are supposed to be the most secure places in the country, how on

earth do drugs get inside? Can you understand that? I can perfectly

understand that surprise people feel forced up there are, as I'm sure

might well know from his experience, many ways in which people can try

and smuggle things in, unfortunately. Sometimes through

visitors, sometimes instances we have found hooks being soaked in a

legal highs. Drones is a new development, it used to be this

issue of throwing things over the wall and so forth. Unfortunately we

have always had an issue with drugs and prisons. Going back to the time

I can run a ball I was a young lawyer practising. You need to get a

grip on it. The key thing is it is making sure there is that joined up

approach, as Mike says, from what has been said by the top brass at

the National offender management service to actually having policies

and procedures which are communicated to the officers on the

front line so they can read tackle it. It sounds like it is clear where

you are pointing the finger. I think it is pretty clear where the

evidence looks at the moment. Thank you very much.

We were just seeing those national lottery winners. They have won ?33

million, the UK Bosman latest record-breaking lottery winners have

been speaking to the media. They are David and Carol Martin from Hawick

in the Scottish Borders. Obviously, the initial shock was

surreal. If we'd won ?50,000, we would have probably danced around

the living room instead of looking at each other, saying, "We've won

?33 million," it was total shock. 50 grand at our level would be huge but

33 million was just unbelievable. We're still really stunned. Stunned

silence, to be honest. But all good, obviously. All good. Take us back.

Last week it was on the news about the huge jackpot. You went on

Saturday to buy a ticket? Yes. We go shopping with Carol's mum most

Saturdays to the local supermarket, Morrisons, and I'd had the ticket

from the previous Wednesday and I asked the lady to check it and she

said," you've won". I'd got a free Lucky dip. I said I would just have

her lucky dips you had three lines in total. -- three lucky dips. We

didn't know the results of the numbers or anything until the

Sunday. We never really watched the programme. We used to watch it when

Dale Winton was on In It To Win It, I don't like the other

unfortunately. You didn't check it? Where did you put your ticket? It

was just sitting on the mantelpiece, just sitting... He moves it around

every week to see if we've got a lucky bit. Each week it's in a

different bit. Luckily spots on the mantelpiece? We'll put it here this

week and, she wasn't lucky, we will try it here. This particular

ornament sounds like it was quite lucky? So when did you check your

tickets? Not until Sunday? Sunday morning. My mate came up for a

coffee and a chat and he said, two people have won the lottery. I said,

oh, great. He pointed and said, there is the tickets up there. I

hadn't checked them. He had a coffee, had a chat, he went away and

I said Carol, we will have a late breakfast. The usual thing that we

have. I said, go and... We couldn't find it in the paper. We couldn't

find the numbers for some reason but she was on the phone and she started

reading them out. 26. We've got that. We've got that. We've got

that. We got that. And what did you say? I thought he was just joking. I

just couldn't believe it. Can I just jump in with a quick question? I'm

Michael. You are live on This, grow morning. Congratulations. Everyone

is going to have had a dream about if they won the lottery, what they

would get. Now you have that, do you know what you are going to get?

Obviously, my daughter is in Australia so that will be the first

purchase. We haven't done that yet but it will be probably a first

flight home. From Australia, for my daughter. She arrives next week and

there will be time to get settled down and we will be great to see her

again. Your daughter was the first person you told? Yes, and

obviously... She was driving. I phoned her. She was driving but she

has a hands-free phone I said, can you pull over? And she pulled over

and she was really worried because I think she thought somebody had died

or something. It is usually Skype or a WhatsApp because that is free. You

never phoned them because it costs. I don't know what it costs to phone

Australia. By lot of money. Who cares now? ! Would you be leaving

your job is? Well, we've got... The type of people we are, we are very

conscientious towards our work. These last few days has been telling

basically lies to our employers stop you are phoning in sick and we are

busily went sick. Well, we were sick! Where were you working? I work

at Boots the chemist. And I work for a company called Borders Care and

Repair, which helps elderly people in their own homes. You have

indicated that you might spend some of the money to help out flood

victims. Tell me about that. Obviously, it's been everywhere with

the flooding, not just Hawick. It's something we will look into. We

can't comment directly about that but Hawick is a tight-knit

community. We will look into that but we can't comment on it right

now. Were you flooded yourself? Not personally, no. The company I work

for, I was on stand-by that weekend and their care home got evacuated so

I was involved in that. It's not just Hawick it has been neglected,

it is the whole of the country, so when you see the damage, it is

horrible to think... After you've bought the first-class flight, what

else will use bend money on? We're just still in such shock, we've not

really have much time to think about it. The simple question, when you

see it on the TV, it is a car, house, but everybody is at a level

that they're spending. You guys spend at this level, you're spending

here. It sounds stupid but just a nice pair of shoes, a pair of

brogues for 200 quid that you've never, ever bought. It sounds

really, really stupid but it it is. It's a different level but it's

going to take a little while to sink in, to be honest. A bit of time to

sink in. And you, Carol? Diamonds! I haven't bought anything yet. I

haven't been shopping yet. We haven't been out shopping yet. That

time will come in the next few days. We talked about cars earlier and we

talked about dream cars and I know David has been talking about a range

Rover. You have more of a thing about just getting up and down... I

imagine there are some big hills. There is one big hill in particular

that when I drive, I never go but because it is so steep that when you

get up to the top, it is so steep that if you stop you roll backwards.

So I'd like an automatic car so I can get up and down the hill. Make

it an automatic? I never go up the hill because I'm frightened in case

I get stuck up the top. It has been very difficult the last two days

because you have been calling in sick to work. Have you finally

spoken to work this morning? What were their reactions? Very pleased.

Excited. Do you think your colleagues had almost guessed? I

think they had because they know I'm never sick. I think they thought

there was something going on. Are you expecting to go back? I haven't

actually... That's a no! I haven't spoken to my manager yet or

anything. If you are close with your work colleagues... Carol has worked

with them for 20 years and it's a big, big thing. It is people that

you work with, you trust. You're there every single day and all of a

sudden, you are giving them a little white lie and then another little

light light and today is probing the first time both of us felt more

relaxed. We told our work colleagues and said, "Look, we've won this 33

million quid," and it's when you speak to everybody... We were still

in a bit of shock but every time you spoke to somebody, they were so

happy for you. It is a really, really weird feeling. It is good. I

am from ITV news. You said you didn't speak to each other for the

first five minutes. What was the first thing that you did say to each

other? We just kept looking at each other. "No, It can't be". I'm bought

Carol said to me. She said, "What have we done?" That the enormity of

it. You get to a point of 50,000 quid, we would have been doing

cartwheels in the living room. But it was like... It was like that.

That is David and Carol Martin, ?33 million richer, thanks to six lucky

numbers. Could free admission to regional

museums and art galleries become The Museums Association say that

more of them are having to charge entry fees

to make budgets balance, and the number of those that

are shutting or partly The association says

in Lancashire for example, five museums are scheduled to close

this year with others Alistair Brown is from

the Museum Association. Thanks for joining us. Tell us how

many museums are finding it difficult to make ends meet right

now. The museums that are really sounding the alarm bell at the

moment is the local authority run museums across the UK. So, really,

that's the 700 or so museums across the UK which are funded directly by

local authorities. These are the big, often Victorian buildings that

you will see in town and city centres across the country. Ones

that are not perhaps the big London nationals that people will be

familiar with but the next ramp down. In Lancashire, in Derby, in

Preston and so on. How well visited are these places and what difference

does it make if they have to start charging? Well, they are hugely well

loved and they have growing audiences and that's something of a

paradox of what we are seeing at the moment. Museum audiences are going

up on one hand but museum funding is coming down on the other and that's

as a result, really, of these swingeing local authority cuts which

are forcing local authorities to make some very difficult decisions

about where they put their money. What sort of things are being lost

to public view, if parts of museums are having to close and sometimes

museums closing completely quiz Bob for example, one of the museums that

is due to close in a couple of months is the Durham Light Infantry

museum. That is a regimental museum so it holds all of the collection is

associated with the Durham Light Infantry Regiment. It goes right

back to collections dating back to the 18th-century. They are currently

putting on an exhibition, helping to but an exhibition about the Somme,

so these collections that meaning huge amount to local communities and

are really a core part of their history, and yet there is potential

that they will be put in storage, never to be seen again. Thank you

very much. We've had a statement from the Department of Culture. It

says, "This government has protected funding for national museums to

ensure they remain free to enter..." I don't know about you but I'm still

feeling very happy, having seen Carol and David Martin celebrating

that extraordinaire lottery win, ?33 million. They clearly don't quite

know what to make of it but complete joy for them this morning. Lots of

you getting in touch with us on the sperm donor I interviewed a little

earlier. You might have seen his report. He reckons he's probably

fathered 800 children through sperm donation. Will an e-mail - there was

a possibility that children might have questions about their paternity

or their siblings but what you seem to be the getting is that human is

alive, loved and forging their own path likes to Simon's help where

both private and public services failed to give the recipients

anything. Lucy on Twitter - how can you not admire this guy quiz Bob

he's totally honest. Thank you so much for all your comments

throughout the programme. I will see you tomorrow. Have a good day.

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