26/01/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

This morning - one of Britain's greatest ever athletes tells us

what the sport can do to regain your trust

following the huge doping and corruption scandal.

Whether you're a sports fan or not you can't fail to have been shocked

by the various allegations that seem to have engulfed pretty much

Corruption in football, match-fixing in tennis

There we have seen allegations of blood doping, cover-ups,

extortion, claims that the London 2012 Olympics was sabotaged

by widespread inaction against athletes with suspicious

doping profiles, with Russia accused of running

Russia has since been banned from competing.

Today MPs will get a chance to quiz the boss of UK athletics

and the boss of UK anti-doping - we'll bring you some of it live

And in a minute we'll talk to Paula Radlciffe and the chair

of the Culture, Media and Sport committee.

Really keen to hear from you this morning on how much your trust has

Whether you're a sports fan or not you can't fail to have been shocked

Here's a reminder of the allegations that world athletics is facing

and an explanation of what blood doping is.

Do you think that because you hold the record, which still stands

from 2003 by a whole three minutes, that has led to some to question

It means it is looked on with maybe some suspicion,

The whole point of my career was to see what I could do,

I wanted to be able to get to the end and say, yes,

that was the best I was capable of doing.

My recommendation is that the Russian Federation be suspended.

The issue we now have to confront is, what is it we need to put

in place, and some of that is already under way,

that means we have never return to this horror show again?

With us this morning, Paula Radclife, British marathon

world record holder who has spoken out about doping.

She says her name was falsely linked to doping by the chairman

of the group of MPs who'll be quizzing athletics bosses today.

Conservative MP Jesse Norman is the chairman of that committee,

the Culture Media and Sport Select Committee,

he's also with us, though he doesn't want to talk

Mr Norman, are you convinced that Lord Coe is the right man to lead

world athletics governing body, the IAAF? I'm perfectly happy to talk to

Paula, but you hadn't discussed it earlier on. With regard to Lord Coe,

we are in the middle of a process at the moment of investigating these

very serious allegations and charges into blood doping and the status of

the IAAF and it's a long process. We have been thinking about it and

working on hearings now for several months and once we come to a

conclusion, we'll look at the recommendations we are going to

make. But it was very noticeable last week that the chairman of the

Independent Commission at the World Anti-Doping Agency made a point that

he thought that Lord Coe was the best person even despite the

difficulties that the IAAF has been involved in recently. So that is

good enough for you? I'm not coming to a view at the moment. The

committee's investigation is still under way.

What will help you make your mind up about Lord Coe? Well, we'll take all

the evidence there and then we'll come to a view as to what we think

needs to be done to clean up the sport and restore public confidence

in it and it may be that Lord Coe's status is one of the things we

consider or it may not. By far the most authoritative study done in

this area by an independent agency has the view that he is the best

person and that I think is an important indicator of where expert

opinion and independent expert opinion lies. You will be

questioning the boss of UK athletics, the chairman today, is it

likely that they knew about the doping allegations globally? We

don't know that. What we do know though is that UK athletics came out

a few weeks ago with a very punchy manifesto for what it calls clean

athletics and that contains some things that have proved

controversial, the idea that records should be reset in some way, but

it's also including some sensible ideas for more testing, more

independence, restructuring of the IAAF, and more disclosure of blood

doping scores. Those are the kinds of things that are going to need to

be part of a comprehensive package to clean up the sport. That's why

many of the recommendations have been widely welcomed. It's

interesting that you didn't use the word sensible about the suggestion

of wiping out all the world records and starting again. Are you not keen

on that? It's not clear that that's what they are saying. What they said

was draw a line under it. It may be that they want to say there was an

era of athletics ending with the introduction of what they call clean

athletics and under the new rules, there'll be other records, so I

don't think it's about necessarily eliminating. I'm not speaking for UK

athletics but it may be their position is not about destroying old

records so much as just creating a basis on which new records can be

won and made. What do you think about the fact that Adidas are

terminating their sponsorship early? It's interesting and shows the

difficulties under which that organisation has been placed and at

one level it's a recognition of some of the public scorn that's been

levelled at the IAAF. On another level, it's a, I suppose, a

mechanism to deploy sponsorship money in areas and it sends a

message that concern is not just amongst Parliamentarians and

individual members of the public, but also amongstst the business

community. When we had, in a different context, sponsors of Fifa

come up in front of us in the committee in a Park Le

investigation, we were very clear with them and they were very clear

with us that they were backing the process of reform. So public

pressure on the sponsors can make a real difference and the same is true

of the broadcastest, such as the BBC and others.

I'm glad you said you were happy to talk to talk to Paula Radcliffe

because after the hearing in September into doping allegations,

Paula Radcliffe's name emerge and she said she felt forced to defend

her reputation. I know you've said it wasn't your intention for any

names linked to doping Al gaiingtss to come out, but hers did --

allegations. Would you like to take this opportunity to apologise to her

now? Well, I think the truth of the

matter is, I said then that since I wasn't naming Paula, no apology is

required. It's a terrible shame her name was linked with the hearing and

I'm amongst millions of people in this country who have nothing but

admiration for the sporting achievements linked to her name so I

think that's absolutely fantastic. What I do think is a pity and what I

had not realised at the time was that Ms Radcliffe was pursued by

people in and outside the sport on this issue be of hand and that may

have been why the link was made but it had nothing to do with me. I will

tell you one thing, the committee hearing was three-hour meeting, we

went into all the different areas of the blood doping initial scandals,

including reports about Russia, Kenyan athletics, it would have been

inappropriate not to raise the question about whether British

athletes had been involved in any way, but we did not mention

athletes had been involved in any names, we were careful not to and

there was no suggestion in anything that I said that Ms Radcliffe was

involved and I'm very sad that it was taken that way.

Let us remind the audience what you said. Here is the relevant clip.

When you hear that the London Marathon potentially the winners or

medallists, potentially British athletes are under suspicion for

very high levels of blood doping, when you think of the effect that

has on young people who hold that event and the community nature of

that event, what are your emotions about that? It could only be Paula

Radcliffe potentially the winners or medallists at the London Marathon,

aside from the wheelchair race, it could only have been her? Well, of

course I don't think that's true because there are Paralympics and

frankly for what I knew at the time there were medallists as well. There

was no intention to name Paula Radcliffe there at all and, if you

look at the questions, those are not just about the London Marathon, they

are about people competing in other sports as well. So actually, that's

just been built up and it's a terrible shame that it has been, but

as I say, it's nothing to do with what I said or with what the

committee was working on. Let me bring in Paula Radcliffe, Jesse

Norman says it was a shame, it was sad and no apology is needed. What

would you like to say? Personally I do feel that I would appreciate an

apology. He may not have intentionally meant to name me, but

in fact if you ask him to name a winner of the London Marathon, I

wouldn't imagine that he could name any of the otherses in that period

and it shouldn't have come down to that and I think my question would

be, did he have any conflict of interests to declare before that

hearing in terms of the newspapers that were pursuing the harassment of

me and threatening me and that he had worked and left the hearing arm

in arm with those journalists. That would be a huge question for me. But

first and foremost, for that committee and to chair that

committee, to hear accusations made against a sport governing body and

not have any representative of that body there, nor any expert with a

full knowledge of the complicated situation we were discussing, and

just to have the one-sided expert who was making that accusation, made

a number of errors during that hearing which were not picked up on

because they couldn't be because you wouldn't expect the MPs to be able

to have the knowledge to understand the mistakes that were being made.

It smacked to me a bit of a set-up and a little bit of an exercise for

the MPs instead of an actual exercise to get through to the roof

and to try and determine, is the UK huge, does it have a big problem

with athletics. I would say it doesn't. If you ask Mr Norman is he

aware of the sport which has the highest number of athletes serving a

doping ban, I would hazard a guess he wouldn't be able to answer that

and wouldn't be able to say how many athletes from track and field are

serving a ban. A lot of points there. Could you name any other

British winners or medallists from the London Marathon from the period

of 2001? The answer is no, not at the moment. And I'm not sure there

are... Only Paula Radcliffe? That shows my ignorance. Which is why you

can't be surprised that her name emerged after your hearing? No,

because there are paralympians as well and this is a matter of joining

various dots together. What I would encourage your viewers to do is to

spend the time and look online at the hearing because they'll see it

was a three-hour discussion of all these things. Just to pick up on

some of the other points that Paula Radcliffe's made. We had invited the

IAAF from the outset and Lord Coe specifically to give testimony to us

and it took some time to arrange that but there's always been that

offer on the table. That particular hearing was on the World Anti-Doping

Agency and on UK anti-doping, that's why we focussed on those

institutions, as we are focussing today on UK athletics. I

emphatically did not have any conflict of interest. Anybody can

check that. There was a public concern raised by reports in the

Sunday Times and in other newspapers which we were under obligations, as

MPs, as representatives of the people, to investigate. We did

investigate them. And we were very clear not to take any evidence or

information from the Sunday Times or any other newspaper in terms of

blood scores or any of that stuff, we were not interested in that, we

were trying to get to the real questions which is, what should the

international UK regulatory authorities have been doing and was

there a case for tightening up the law or the rules and that's the

focus we'll continue to have and continue to make.

Do you want to reconsider, an opportunity to apologise to Paula

Radcliffe now? I am perfectly happy to say that I am sorry to hear what

happened but it has been taken in this way, but it really has had

nothing to do with what I was saying all my committee was doing. I think

it is a terrible shame that has been taken that way. Paula Radcliffe? I

accept that, and I think that from this point what I would like to see

is a move forward in terms of getting to the truth, the truth

coming out, but also making sure that in all sports, the federations,

the integrity and the Queen of board moves forward in the right

direction. If you ask me what a government select committee can do,

in that respect, in terms of improving things, it is working

towards pushing through legislation to increase doping bans and

deterrent and possibly look towards criminalisation of the whole chain,

including the supply of the doping materials, and the athletes and

coaches who take that decision to take the short cut and to cheat. Pal

hounded have you felt in the last few months? -- how hounded? It has

improved in the last few months. The shock and the toughest time for me

was at the beginning period from July when the Sunday Times

journalist first came to me and refused to give me the opportunity

to sit down with the Australian experts and to reasonably discuss

these things, to then hearing about other athletes caught up in it, to

having to make the decision on whether or not I would publish my

blood data at a time when it wasn't fully understood and I did not have

the backing of the explanations of the IAAF and the world blood

experts. That was the hardest time. Now I think it has come through

that, I am probably at one with many in athletics, very shocked and angry

at the allegations that have come out, but now I really am part of the

view that we don't just criticise, we proactively work together and try

to find a solution within the IAAF and the sport of athletics to get

back to where Richard B, which I feel is a very strong support, a

sport that I love and which I would like to make better for everybody

involved -- to get back to where it should be.

As you say, you were cleared by the IAAF, they say you were accused of

cheating based on gross and interpret a -- misinterpretation of

raw and incomplete data. Now we know what we know about IAAF, do you

think some people will still think you cheated? I think that is the

damage that has been done. It is one of the things I find hardest to come

to terms with, something I have always been so strongly against and

spent my whole career with an athletics campaigning for better

tests, to have been accused of something so ab warranted to me and

to know that out there, no matter what I do, there will always be some

people who unfortunately will believe that -- something so

abhorrent to me. I think damage has been done to my reputation, but I

can stand strong because I know there is no truth and the people who

really matter to me believe that, but it is still not a nice situation

to be in. I think there is where the international bodies like Wada and

the IAAF have let me down, because their first responsibility should be

to every clean athlete that they keep their sport clean so they can

keep the sport on a fair and level playing field and not be put in

situations where they have their performances doubted.

The committee hearing, this is the third, Jesse Norman peers group of

MPs are carrying out. The boss of UK athletics, Ed Warner, the chief

executive of UK Anti-Doping, they are both witnesses giving evidence.

Is it possible that they really could not have known what was going

on when it comes to doping at a global level? You had to be very

careful and you have to understand that lots of people in athletics had

suspicions and they knew there was doping going on at some level within

athletics. But you cannot ban the based on suspicion and allegation,

you had to have enough proof. You cannot ever put an innocent athlete

in the situation that I have been in, for example. But I wonder

whether enough questions are being asked by well-paid administrators?

It is not the paid administrators, it is the way the system needs to be

set up, so there needs to be a much bigger investment in anti-doping.

That whole anti-doping integrity unit needs to be separate from the

rest of the athletics federation so there cannot be a crossover in

information which enabled the corruption and the horrible things

we are learning about, so we need a much greater investment of funds to

be able to work on lots of different levels. The me, that is not just

more investment in science and testing, it is the intelligent side

as well so that you concentrate those efforts in the right place. It

is making sure that, across-the-board, it is a level

playing field. If you ask about the level of anti-doping controls within

the UK, it is very different to that, obviously, in Russia, and also

other countries in Africa and the Middle East. There are lots of areas

that need to, so there are no places where athletes are not subject to

the same controls, all athlete should be tested the same number of

times and to the same standard before going to an Olympic Games, a

championship or any other competition.

This proposal from UK athletics, or a suggestion to kick off debate

about world records being wiped and started again, Jesse Norman has said

it is not clear what they mean, I am sure he will get qualification from

Ed Warner, what do you think of this? I am sure that Ed himself

would say they were trying to create talking points and to take a

proactive step towards restoring confidence and public perception of

athletics as a clean sport. And they were trying to go. I think moving

there with the world records is not something I would ever back, it is

not a point we can be at now, you are essentially making a clean

athlete suffered twice. I, for example, know that my world record

was achieved clean, logically that means other world records were.

There are some that there are doubts about, but I would rather see us go

down the route of trying to prove the ones we have doubts about than

wipe the record, not make the athlete who has already had to

compete against cheating athletes in their career suffered twice by

having their world record taken away. If you reset the records, you

are essentially saying that an athlete who competed last year was

not clean, but if they run the same time this year than they are. I

don't think we are at the point where we can make those guarantees

yet. Thank you both very much, Jesse Norman, thank you for talking

directly to Paula Radcliffe. Sorry, Mr Norman, would you lie to say

something else? If you wouldn't mind. I would like to say how glad I

am at the very construct of tone of this conversation. At the end of the

day, what we are trying to do and what I am sure Paula Radcliffe and

other members of the clean-up team at the IAAF are trying to do is to

create a clean sport that everyone can feel trust and confidence in, so

I absolutely welcome many of the things she has said and I hope she

will support many of the things we have come to as conclusions within

the committee, we are all focused on the same goal and outcome. Thank you

both very much for your time, Jesse Norman, chairman of the culture,

media and sport committee. The committee is sitting this morning,

they will be questioning the boss of UK athletics and UK Anti-Doping.

Paula Radcliffe, thank you for your time. You heard a partial apology

from Jesse normal -- Jessye Norman to Paula Radcliffe, which she

accepted. Chris on Facebook asks whether there

is such a thing as a clean sport any more? Even when your own country

wins, there is the niggling question, are they clean? I feel

genuinely sorry for clean sports person. Another person says, I do

not trust any of the sports to be authentic, they are tainted by

cheating and corruption. Kate on Twitter, Paula Radcliffe is

not holding back today, this is brilliant. Paula Radcliffe, having

some politician over a barrel on Victoria. The Ministry of Mark

tweets Paula Radcliffe versus Jessye Norman, no contest, first-round

victory to Paula. Thanks for joining us

today, still to come. Concerns about whether the NHS out

of hours helpline is able to identify illnesses in children after

the death of a one U rolled boy in sepsis.

And the number of serious incidents reported by mental health trusts

That includes suicides and unexpected deaths.

We'll talk to a woman whose son's suicide led to a review

First, it's the main news this morning.

A report on the death of a baby boy from sepsis has said the 111 NHS

helpline isn't sensitive enough to identify the illness in children

William Mead died in December 2014, after seeing doctors repeatedly over

There were errors chewing the whole call, we weren't really listened to.

-- during the whole call. The call handler did not recognise it as a

complex call, there was a catalogue of errors.

The boss of UK Anti-doping and the head of UK Athletics

will give evidence to the Culture Media and Sport Committee

following last year's allegations of widespread doping

The marathon world-record holder Paula Radcliffe, who had to clear

her name during doping allegations, has been speaking to this programme.

And the charitable culture, media and sport committee, Conservative MP

Jessye Norman, apologised to her, sort. He said, I am perfectly happy

to say that I am sorry to hear about what has happened, and sorry that it

has been taken in this way. It really has had to do with what I was

saying and what my committee was doing and I think it is a terrible

shame it has been taken that way. He was responding to the fact that her

name emerged after his first hearing back in September into doping

allegations. Stock markets in China have fallen sharply, reversing two

days of gains. It follows heavy fault last week on Asia's main

markets, sparking a sell-off around the world.

Police, fire and ambulance services in England should share control

rooms to improve their response to 999 calls, a Home Office

The proposal is part of new plans to get the three services working

more closely, although the Fire Brigades Union have called it

More than 8000 serious incidents were reported by health trusts

in England last year, an increase of a third over

The Liberal Democrats, who obtained the figures say it

raises further concerns about mental health services.

Young people in the UK are spending more time online than watching

television, according to an annual survey

It found that 5-16-year-olds use the internet for around three hours

It's been described as a "landmark change" in viewing habits.

The organisers of the National Lottery, who are looking

for the winner of a ?33 million jackpot, say they've received claims

from hundreds of people who say they bought the winning ticket,

but say it was lost, damaged, or stolen.

Camelot says it won't comment while it investigates.

I would love to comment, but I couldn't possibly. But we are all

going yeah, of course! Aren't we?! Let's catch up with

all the sport now. It has been a rather disappointing

and for England in their Test series.

Alistair Cook's side lost seven wickets in a little over an hour.

England have won the series but South Africa salvaging some

Not quite the finish that England would have wanted.

We'll have the latest from the Australian Open,

where there were wins for Roger Federer and Serena Williams

Federer's now on course to meet Novak Djokovic in the semis,

whilst Serena Williams beat Maria Sharapova -

a winning run that's gone on for 12 years over her opponent -

as she closes in on a 22nd Grand Slam title in Melbourne.

She must hate facing Serena Williams!

We will have all of the pictures to come at 10am.

In a world first, 3D printing has been used in surgery to support

the successful transplant an adult kidney into a young child.

Surgeons at Guys and St Thomas and Great Ormond Street Hospital

came up with the idea to take 3D copies of the kidney of dad

Chris Boucher and the abdomen of his then two-year-old daughter

Lucy in an innovative step before the operation in November last year.

Speaking in their first broadcast interview,

we can speak to Chris Boucher and his wife Ciara and Lucy who's

now turned three from their home in Antrim in Northern Ireland,

and the surgeon who came up with the idea Pankaj Chandal

Right, good morning, thank you so much for coming on the programme.

Chris, Ciara, just explain what the situation with Lucy was and why she

needed a kidney transplant? Basically, Lucy was born healthy and

everything seemed fine rage throughout the pregnancy, but at

four weeks old she had massive heart failure. We went to lift in the

morning and she was a ghostly white, her lips were going blue and my wife

bundled her up and rushed her to the hospital which, thankfully, is about

five minutes from us. Immediately they identify that she was in

massive heart failure. Throughout that day she was moved to the Royal

in Belfast from Antrim, but throughout the day it became clear

that they could not do anything for her to save her here, so she was

transferred to in England, to the Freeman's heart unit. She was put on

an echo machine, which gave her heart a chance to recover from the

heart failure but, as a result of the massive heart failure and the

oxygen starvation, her kidneys stopped working and did not really

started working again. So she had to basically go on daily dialysis. That

was the first time, actually, she was involved in pioneering medical

breakthroughs, because a retired kidney

At that point, she needed that machine daily. It basically through

a lot of ups and downs, and we were in Newcastle then for the next eight

months, that machine saved her life basically because there was no other

form of dialysis that she could have at her size because she also had

stomach damage due to the heart failure and it had been recently

invented and was still in its development. Lucy's helped develop

that machine a good bit for what they learned off her. We were there

for the next eight months and then had normal dialysis here after that,

up until she got to the point where she was big enough to have a

transplant which was just there in November, of last year. Brilliantly

explained. That's why she needed the new kidney. That's two years in a

nutshell! Absolutely. Said in such a pragmatic way. Ciara, I wonder if it

was as straightforward as Chris has just made it sound? No. There were

lots of ups and downs along the way. There were, I mean, from the day she

took ill, we were told when we were leaving our local hospital in Antrim

to say goodbye to her because she may not make the journey to Belfast

which is a journey that we make like countless times in a week. So there

were plenty of ups and downs. They had tried about four months after

she first took sick to reverse it and try peritinatal dialysis but

that didn't work because she had too many adhesions, so we were between a

rock and a hard place and the devil and the deep blue sea. Then down to

the team that developed the dialysis machine further... Is she taking

your temperature? She is. She's turned into quite the little medic.

Is your temperature all right, I need to know? ! Worringly, she

always tells me it's 85! I don't know where she's got 85 from. Just a

nice big number, I suppose? . Yes, exactly. There have been plenty of

hard things along the way. Thankfully for us, you know, we've

had brilliant medical teams in five different hospitals who've worked

with her and got her to where she is today. And once she came back from

Newcastle and was on dialysis for a full two years here on the standard

machine, she did brilliantly on it. They would come and see her, she

didn't act like a child, she would go in and play and was quite happy

to see the nurses. It's only four... Oh, dear. You should say hello. Hi,

Lucy! Hello, gorgeous, how are you? You can't see me waving but I'm

going to wave anyway. You look so happy and healthy. Give a nice wave.

So the nurses in the Royal Hospital in Belfast over the last two years

have been kind of more like honorary to her that they have seen so much

of her. We are really fortunate. There were lots of ups and downs in

the first eight months but we have been very fortunate for for the

times she was on dialysis three times a week, it was always

straightforward. Let me bring in the transplant surgeon then, sitting

alongside me here. So, I mean, the first of all, Chris was the perfect

match in terms of the transplant for Lucy. You came up with the idea of

use ago 3D printer to effectively build a replica of Chris's kidney

which is this and Lucy's abdomen which is this. Why would that help

you ahead of the operation? 3D printers has been used for cancer

surgery and maxilofacial surgery. The problem we have is placing an

adult kidney into a small abdomen and Lucy's abdomen was 10 kilograms.

Do you mind showing our audience exactly what you were trying to do?

This is Lucy's abdomen here, the print of it. This is the live, you

can see that there. That is quite soft, so we can move that back. So

that is replicating the softness of a real liver? Not exactly but it's

the next best thing. Then you have the two kidneys here. You can see

they are small. Tiny? Absolutely, yes. Then you have the major blood

vessels here, the aorta and the boney pelvis also, printed in a

harder material as it would be in the human body. So the printer

relies on information from CT and MR scans and moulds liquid plastic

under UV light to create the models. This is Chris's kidney, adult size,

you can see the size discrepancy there, it's trying to place that in

Lucy's abdomen, so essentially it helps us with, not only planning

that approach, but thinking about the incision, how we are going to

approach the vessels and the best lie of the kidney. Would you have

been able to do this operation without using the 3D printed model?s

Yes, but this allows a hands-on approach for the team to go through

the procedure in their minds, actually physically manipulating the

models in real time prior to the procedure itself. That's the added

advantage. It's an additional layer of safety that we can offer the

patient force this type of surgery. Chris and Ciara, you were able to

hold the models. How did that help you with understanding how this

operation was going to go? I was just astounded by it really. At

first, to see the actual size of my kidney, I'd been told in tests

beforehand and I'd seen scans and had an idea of what it was, but to

actually see it in that 3D shape in what it was and to see Lucy's

abdomen, an exact replica and size, it was astounding. Even prints right

down to the sort of grain, if you like, of the kidney, the actual

texture in a sense around the side of it, it was phenomenal being able

to hold it over Lucy's abdomen, you just again were thinking, how on

earth can they fit this into this abdomen, you know. It again

highlighted even more just how impressive what they do really is.

Let's ask the surgeon, how did you fit it in, because the way you are

demonstrating this now, you are having to move other organs around?

Yes, we can move the liver out of the way here. This is the side of

the abdomen, you can move that up. If you hold me, I can show you how

you place the kidney there. We place the kidney inside like that

essentially and join the vessels up like that. Obviously, the bowel is

in the way as well. We have to make sure that that's appropriately

placed back, then we have to close the abdomen, some times in small

children we may not be able to do that, but in Lucy's case we were. So

that's the great advantage of the model because it helped us

appreciate the anatomy. I can see obviously that Lucy looks fab and is

energetic and lively and all the rest of it. Tell us how she is from

your point of view, mum and dad? She's brilliant. She's always had

energy but she has just boundless energy. She just jumps about the

place or just kind of runs. Two big things before the surgery for a

child on dialysis, she did continue to eat little bits but didn't eat

very much so most of her nutrition was going through her gastric tube

through her nose, so since the surgery, she's started to seat.

She's not quite eating all of her calorific requirements yet, but

she's heading in that direction and it's lovely to have her just be part

of meals. We were able to take her out for her birthday for dinner

which in the past didn't mean a whole hot to Lucy but we were able

to do that. Also when you're on dialysis, one of your blood levels

can be quite high and that can make you feel sick, your urea. Lucy would

have vomited generally at least once a day, if not more, and we were kind

of trying to keep up with feeds. She's vomited once since the

surgery. Wow. Which obviously is so much better for her. It makes life a

whole lot better when you're not changing beds in the middle of the

night and trying to chase feeds, so that's two massive differences. Then

another huge one is that, like last week for the first time since she

was four weeks old, we were only at the hospital once, whereas she lived

in hospital for eight months and then she's been up and down to the

hospital three times a week and then was obviously back in hospital for

the transplant. So massive change for her. You know what, she's been

so brilliantly behaved and she's just starting to get bored now, I

don't blame her. Come here. She's fine, she's cool. She wants to go

off so that's fine. I'm so grateful for your time, it's really nice to

talk to you and I'm so happy for you all, thank you so very much for

coming on the programme. Thank you. Again we can't just express our

gratitude to the people right from the beginning in the Antrim area

hospital to the people that treated her during that horrific day of

heart failure in the Royal in bell British Airwayses to the Freeman in

Hospital, the RVI in Newcastle and the machine which was invented and

then because of Lucy got reinvented to take her on to the next stage.

Because of Lucy, if the machine didn't change, she wouldn't live,

they managed to redesign it so it can take a child of 8 kilograms up

to the Royal in Belfast on dialysis and again in Great Ormond Street and

the phenomenal work with that 3D print out. That helped put our mind

at ease just seeing what would be done, you know, and just knowing as

well the forward-thinking minds that there are, like the surgeons, we

don't really think about it enough. In the NHS, there are a lot of

people who're continually trying to work to make the ways they treat us

better. Honestly, they do it with such little funding at times and

struggle to do it and the work is just phenomenal. Lucy, as you see

with the temperature thing, I mean, do you like hospital, Lucy? Uh-huh.

She's so happy, smiled right through it, and that's because of the nurses

and the staff and the way that they've been with her. I mean, she

gets kited whenever she's going to hospital even though she gets blood

tests which she hates, she walks out with a smile on her face so we are

so grateful. She wants to go now, she's got her bag on, she's ready.

She does, she is ready to go. Thank you very much.

Doctor, thank you for coming on the programme, a great testament to you

and hospitals around the UK. Mica on Twitter says Lucy is amazing, he

parents are so strong. Lots of comments from you on conversation

between the chair of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee, Jesse

Norman and Paula Radcliffe. Carol says well done Paula, you were calm

and well prepared. J St Helens sse - nothing to do with me - Norman, not

so much. A partial apology was given to Paula Radcliffe which she

accepted into doping allegations,ers are name emerged. It was cleared. He

said it wasn't anything to do with the committee hearing which lasted

three hours and watch it and you will see the context. Brian said,

not just a brilliant athlete, well done. Well done in your dignified

stance. Pedal for health on Twitter, a wonderful interview, honest, heart

felt. I'm unable to say the same for Jesse Norman. I have no doubt about

Paula's integrity. Pattie says Paula was brilliant and we trust her

completely. She should be in charge of the committees into investigating

doping. How disgraceful that the Conservative MP found it difficult

to apologise. Derek says, accused of something you have never done, a

disgrace and shouldn't happen again. Keep those coming in and I know you

will! Let's get the latest weather now. Here is Carol. Apparently I'm

walking all the way around here to be near you and why not? ! It's

going to be so worth it when I get there.

machine you know we have been talking about the snow affecting the

eastern states of the USA? It is on our shores, giving us wet and windy

weather. Why are we not having snow, I hear you cry? For us to have

widespread snow and bitterly cold weather, we import our ad from the

east or, indeed, from the north, from the Arctic. We have our coming

in from the West at the moment, so that system came across the Atlantic

Ocean. The Atlantic is huge and relatively mild, so the snow would

readily turn to rain as it progressed from the west towards the

east. Westerly winds have been around that. That rain is now across

our shores, some of its heavy, particularly in the north and west.

Looking at the satellite picture, you will see the amount of cloud

which has come out of America pushing across the Atlantic and

resting across our shores. That is the system which produced the snow.

Is there more on the way, I hear you cry? Is the moron the way, Carol? I

love this bit of the show! As we go through this week, we could see more

low pressure developed. -- is that more on the way, Carol? There could

be more snow anywhere from New England to the Canadian maritimes.

But that will cross the Atlantic, go to the north of us, it will affect

America on Friday, by the time we get to Sunday we are likely to have

wet and windy weather, but also milder conditions.

Thank you for that? Today? It is wet, so that system is crossing is.

Always a pleasure to see you! We have wet and windy weather today,

the same system as well and truly across our shores, producing some

heavy rain with height. Here is the low. Looking at the ice A bars you

can tell it is windy. -- looking at the isobars. If you are travelling,

bear that in mind. The rain has been rattling in quickly through the

course of this morning across Scotland, Northern Ireland, northern

England and Wales into the south-west. It continues to progress

to the south-east. Although it might be dry, even Sony, where you are, it

will not last. The rain will push southwards, accompanied by the gusty

winds. Behind it for Northern Ireland,

Scotland at eventually Northern England, a return to showers, but it

will be windy even into the afternoon. This gives you an idea of

the wind gusts we are looking at. If you are on a lighter vehicle, bear

that in mind. Very gusty winds across northern England and Northern

Ireland. Combine that with some gusty showers, across the

trans-Pennine routes, nasty conditions to travel on. We have a

gap with lots of cloud and showers, we run back into the band of rain

across southern England, right into the south-west and, again, looking

at gusty winds. With exposure and the south-west and, again, looking

height, some will be stronger than you are seeing there.

Through the evening and overnight we carry on with the rain and the

South. There will be rain across North Wales, Northern Ireland,

Northern England and southern Scotland. Is that engages with the

cold area across Scotland, that will turn to snow on the hills. Cold in

the north, not as cold in the south. I am choosing my words carefully,

you could in the wind and rain it will not feel particularly pleasant.

Starting on a wet note tomorrow, for southern Scotland and northern

England and areas adjacent to the Irish seed you could have gusts of

50, 60 or up to 70 pH as the band of rain and strongest winds move south,

becoming ensconced across southern England and South Wales. Dry and

brighter behind that, some showers, blustery showers in the north and

west, it will be cold but still in double figures through much of the

rest of the UK. Heading into Thursday, a cold and

frosty start but things are a bit more relaxed in terms of the

weather. It will be colder but we will seize on Joan. Showers in the

north and west eventually being replaced by rain. -- but we will see

some sunshine. Welcome to the programme.

Exclusively on this programme, a partial apology to Britain's

marathon world-record run, Paula Radcliffe, from the MP who

accidentally inadvertently linked to doping allegations. I'm happy to say

that I am sorry to hear about what happened to iron I am sorry it was

taken this way, but it really has had nothing to do with what I was

saying all my committee was doing. I think it is a terrible shame it has

been taken that way. That MP will be grilling the boss of

UK athletics on the doping allegations, we will bring you some

of it live. Doubts are raised again about

whether the NHS 111 helpline can spot potentially fatal illnesses in

children after a one-year-old baby boy died. His mother once the system

look that. Our call was not compliant, there were errors during

the call, we were not really listen to, the call handler did not

recognise it as a complex call, there was quite a catalogue of

virus. Pregnant British women planning

trips to areas affected by the Zika virus are urged to reconsider travel

plans because of the risks posed to their unborn children. We will bring

you the latest. A report on the death of a baby boy

from sepsis has said the 111 NHS helpline in England isn't sensitive

enough to identify the illness in children whose

condition is worsening. William Mead died in December 2014,

after seeing doctors repeatedly over There were errors during the whole

call, we weren't really listened to, the call handler didn't recognise it

as a complex call. There was quite a catalogue of errors.

The chair of the Culture Select Committee has partailly apologised

on this programme to the British marathon runner Paula Radcliffe

The women's world record holder felt she had been indirectly named

by Jessie Norman during a committee meeting last year, in relation

to doping allegation in the Sunday Times.

The boss of UK Anti-doping and the head of UK Athletics

will give evidence to the committee later, following last year's

allegations of widespread doping and cover ups in athletics.

I'm perfectly happy to say that I'm sorry to hear about what has

happened and I am sorry it has been taken in this way, but as I

explained it really has had nothing to do with what I was saying all my

committee was doing, and I think it is a terrible shame it has been

taken that way. I access that, but I think from this point what I would

like to see is everybody move forward in terms of getting to the

truth, the truth coming out, but also making sure that in all sports

federations and the integrity and the protection of clean athletes

across all sports moves forward in the right direction.

Some breaking news to bring you - Tesco "seriously" breached

an industry code by intentionally delaying payments to suppliers,

a long-awaited report by the Groceries Code Adjudicator

We'll bring you more on that in the next few moments.

Stock markets in China have fallen sharply again,

The main index in Shanghai was down more than six per cent.

It follows heavy falls last week on Asia's main markets which sparked

Police, fire and ambulance services in England should share control

rooms to improve their response to 999 calls, a Home Office

The proposal is part of new plans to get the three services working

more closely, although the Fire Brigades Union have called it

More than 8000 serious incidents were reported by health trusts

in England last year an increase of a third over

The Liberal Democrats, who obtained the figures say it

raises further concerns about mental health services.

Young people in the UK are spending more time online than watching

television, according to an annual survey

It found that five to 16-year-olds use the internet for around three

hours a day an hour more than the TV.

It's been described as a "landmark change" in viewing habits.

The organisers of the National Lottery, who are looking

for the winner of a 33-million pound jackpot, say they've received claims

from hundreds of people who say they bought the winning ticket,

but say it was lost, damaged, or stolen.

Camelot says it won't comment while it investigates.

Let's catch up with all the sport now.

What a miserable end to England's Test series in South

They lost the fourth and final match. England's main task was to

avoid losing wickets, but they lost seven in just an hour.

Joe Root was the second wicket to fall today.

After him, they kept on tumbling, Jonny Bairstow one of 13 wickets

to fall to Kagiso Rabada in the match.

James Anderson was the last man out as England were bowled out for 101

Their solace is that they have won the series 2-1.

Signs of things to come from England, but not the finished

article just yet. Now, let's bring you up to date

with events at the Australian Open tennis, and world number one

Novak Djokovic looks like a completely different player

to the one who was taken to five sets by Gilles Simon two days ago -

he's two sets to love up against Japan's Kei Nishikori

and the errors that marred his game against Simon are nowhere to be

seen, though Nishikori is putting up He has broken Djokovic in the third

set. And standing between the winner

and a place in the final is Roger Federer, who beat

Tomas Berdych in straight sets. Federer's last major triumph came

at Wimbledon in 2012 but this was a really impressive

performance against Berdych, who's been in great

form in Melbourne. Maria Sharapova must go cold every

time she sees her name alongside The defending champion has beaten

Sharapova 18 times in a row now - This time it was a straight sets

victory that took Williams through to the semi-finals,

where she'll face Agnieszka Williams is the world number one,

of course, and winner of 21 But if her rivals were hoping

to see the back of her, I didn't even think I would have

done as well as I have. So everything from here

on out is just... I don't have to win this tournament

or any other tournament for as long as I live, and I really

want to enjoy being a professional tennis player and playing

on Grand Slam courts, One more result for you,

and it's good news for Jamie Murray - he and Brazil's Bruno Soares

are through to the semi-finals of the men's doubles,

coming from a set down to beat Yet another chapter in the Louis van

Gaal saga. BBC Sport has been told

that the Manchester United boss Louis van Gaal did not offer

to resign at the weekend, It's been claimed that Van Gaal told

executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward he was prepared to quit,

following Saturday's 1-0 But we understand no such

conversation took place. That is what other sources tell us.

We wait to see what the next chap will be. I am sure we will hear more

in the newspapers and over the coming days.

There's plenty of support for new England rugby union captain

Dylan Hartley this morning - a controversial appointment

for many, considering his poor disciplinary record.

Head coach Eddie Jones has put his faith in Hartley for the Six

And two former captains have given their approval -

Lewis Moody said he wouldn't want to calm him down too much

because what he essentially offers is brilliant,

and Will Carling said real leadership is about how

Of course, the fans will hope that that will not spill over on the

pitch. And that, Victoria, is all the sport this morning. Back to you.

Over the next hour, we will bring you the latest news, developing

stories and dip into the Parliament hearing where the boss of UK

athletics will face questions from MPs about the world doping scandal.

We are on BBC News and BBC Two and tell a lot and I am. At 9:15am we

spoke to the chair of the group of MPs, Jessye Norman, and also to

Britain's marathon world-record holder Paula Radcliffe, who blamed

Mr Norman for her name being linked to doping. She felt that she had to

come out and defend her reputation. He sort of apologised. Let me read

your comments. One viewer on Twitter said an excellent display by live on

why no one trusts politicians, it was even deflected onto the

Paralympian 's high Jessye Norman. Another says a focus on individual

athletes does nothing to tackle a problem which is everywhere. Another

person said that the MP demonstrated that he did not demonstrate or know

what his statement meant, he should apologise. You can get into edge on

any of our subjects today, and wherever you are you can watch is

online or on the BBC website. We know that mental health is a

really, really ported issue to you. Last summer we two hours discussing

it with an audience of 100 people, you felt it was a really useful

couple of hours to as so many issues regarding mental health. You will be

interested in this story. There's been a significant increase

in the number of suicides and attempted suicides amongst

patients being cared for as in patients or outpatients

by mental health trusts in England. The figures were obtained

by the Liberal Democrats under a Freedom of Information request,

they show an increase of a third of all "serious incidents" over

the last three years. A serious incident not only includes

suicides and unexplained deaths but also any event which a hospital

trust decides needs investigating, such as security concerns

or the misuse of information. The Lib Dems say the figures

are worrying and show mental health trusts are struggling to cope

with a rising demand. But the Government says it's down

to better reporting of incidents. Norman Lamb is a Liberal Democrat MP

and was a health minister in the coalition govt for the period

these figures cover. We can also talk to Janet Day whose

son Alan took his own life last year aged just 35 while under the care

of a mental health trust. Normankm lamb, a rise of 23% in

deaths in the last three years. Better reporting, or is this a real

rise? Better reporting might be part of it, but that's why I've called

for the hole thing to be investigated properly by the

Government and by NHS England. We need to understand much more of what

is happening. We can't get away from the fact that this is a serious

rise, over 30%. It's at a time when mental health is underfunded. I've

made the point for years now that the way the system works, mental

health also loses out. Very demanding access in physical health

in which the whole system is focussed on meeting, and somethings

loses out as a result of that and it's always mental health. That's

why I've been on this mission to achieve equal rights to access

treatment on a timely basis, so that you have an equack I believe reem.

That would stop the disadvantage suffered by mental health --

equilibrium. One life lost by suicide is one too many and so many

families are scarred by this. We have to treat it with the utmost

seriousness. In Detroit incidentally in America, they introduced

something called perfect depression care and they got the whole

organisation to focus absolutely on saving every life, learning lessons

constantly about things that go wrong and they managed to achieve,

without spending loads more money, a dramatic reduction in suicides.

That's what I want every organisation in the NHS in this

country to do, so change the culture, to ensure that everyone is

focussed on saying lives. You were the mental Health Minister,

you could have instigated that? Well, we did. You haven't, or else

we wouldn't see this rise? So again, what I explained to you was the way

the system works with maximum waiting time standards in physical

health but not in mental health... Yes. That is the disadvantage so we

introduced... I know. We reported it at the time before the general

election, Clegg announced it. Yes, so we introduced that. They apply

from April, they have to be met by April. It's a different point to the

story that you are bringing to everybody's attention today? No,

it's precisely the same point because it disadvantages mental

health in the way the money gets allocated locally and, at the time

we announced the first waiting time standards, we also said they must be

made comprehensive and that must be the vision between now and 2020 and

there's been a report, not published yet, but a report undertaken by Paul

Farmer of MIND commissioned by NHS England and it was leaked... But...

Let me just finish. Leaked to the Sunday Times and it Saez in order to

achieve the equality that we need to ensure mental health gets the fair

share of funding we need an extra ?1.2 billion between now and 2020.

Are you saying then this rise has effectively got nothing to do with

you when you were the mental Health Minister? What I've tried to explain

is the way the system works. I know and you have tried to change it, but

it now sounds like you are saying because you are in opposition now,

you can bring these deaths to people's attention... No, no. And

distance yourself from people dying when you were in Government? No,

Victoria, I was dog it when I was in Government. I was constantly... And

failing? No, because we absolutely laid the foundations. In February

last year, we announced an objective for a suicide ambition to get every

organisation across the country to focus on perfect depression care as

we have seen in Detroit and there are some organisations in our

country starting to do that. We need every organisation to do it. What I

can say is, as a minister, you can agitate, you can challenge, you can

demand change, you can highlight the failures and all of these things

I've done consistently as a minister and since being a minister. I don't

want to blame any Government. The fact is that the way the system

works, there is a central discrimination against mental health

and against those who suffer from mental ill health. When the maximum

waiting times come in for access to therapy and so on on and so forth,

are you confident Nat number of suicide, unexplained deaths and so

on will fall? I absolutely believe if we can get comprehensive waiting

time standards so people get quicker access to treatment and I think

Janet will talk about this, then I think you can have a massive impact

on saving lives and so many families are scarred by mental health. My

family is. I know from my family's experience just how important this

is. Thank you for being patient Janet and listening to what Norman

Lamb has had to say. In terms of Alan, he was 35, the day before he

took his life you contacted someone because you were worried. Yes. Tell

you are audience a little bit about what happened? I made the phone call

because there had been some factors going on in Alan's life that were

impacting heavily on him. They were things that couldn't be helped, but

we could see that they were impacting heavily. So I phoned to

speak to his doctor at the mental health team. I left a message for

her to call me back in the event and she didn't call me back until the

day after and Alan had taken his life. That call that you made, that

was you ringing an alarm bell saying, my son needs help? It was.

And that wasn't the only time I'd phoned. And the one thing that came

out of all of this during the incident review, we were never ever

given a crisis number to call. Alan's father approached the GP

because he could see it and the GP said, you need to get him to come in

to see me which we didn't think would happen because of how low Alan

was. We've since said, if there could have been a way of us having a

crisis number... Yes. So we have said that crisis number really needs

publicly advertising, so people and family members are aware of it

really. But with Alan, it wasn't just down the timing, a lot of it

was down to human error and that's what I found the hardest thing. The

people that should have been helping Alan were the ones that actually

caused a lot of the problems really. We know that things like access to a

crisis line, so that at that moment of desperation you know where you

can get help, things like that can make a massive difference and can

get people through an immediate crisis. We introduced something

called the crisis care concordat which was to set standards for care

across the country. Progress is being made but we need to go so much

further. I mean, Alan was given the number for the crisis line but, as a

family we never were and didn't know. I didn't even know there was a

crisis line because otherwise... The person that needs the help, the one

with the attention needed is often the person least likely to ever ring

the line. It's going to be the family members. That's it, yes. We

could see the impact. The serious incident review just outlines so

many short comings and human errors. Missed opportunities? Yes. In fact,

we had the initial inquest on the 2nd July. That had to be adjourned

because the coroner didn't even have the serious incident report. He

wasn't even aware of it until I mentioned it. So I had to be

adjourned and we had to go through it all again. What do we put

families through with that situation? That delay is dreadfully

punishing on a family already trying to cope with bereavement. The other

thing we found very difficult, we couldn't, as his parents, we

couldn't get a solicitor to represent us. Because we were never

ever doing it for the compensation, we just wanted to try and make sure

that no other family is going to be put in the situation that we were.

But because all of the solicitors said the same thing, their costs

would far outweigh any compensation and therefore they couldn't take it.

So we had to go into that coroner's office, the whole of the mental

health team were there with a solicitor and we had nobody to

represent us and I think again, that's something that we found very,

very difficult really because there was so much that we needed to know.

Whilst we were told we could ask questions, obviously you are not

particularly in the right frame of mind to do it and always, it's

knowing the questions to ask sometimes. Thank you very much for

coming on the programme, Janet, thank you. Norman Lamb, thank you

very much for your time as well. Next, an apology of sorts from the

MP who accidentally linked Britain's world marathon holder to doping.

Sesse Norman spoke to Paula Radcliffe live on the programme in

the last hour. Since I wasn't naming Paula, it's a terrible shame her

name came out. I'm amongst millions of people in this country who has

nothing but admiration for the sporting achievements linked to her

name. So that's absolutely fantastic. What I do think is a pity

and what I hadn't realised at the time was that Ms Radcliffe had been

pursued by people in and outside the sport on this issue beforehand and,

I'm afraid that's why the link may have been made but it had nothing to

do with me. Personally I would have appreciated an apology. He may not

have intended to name me but in fact if you ask him to win a name of a

person that won the London Marathon, I wouldn't imagine he could name any

of the others in that period. I'm perfectly happy to say that I'm

sorry to hear about what's happened and sorry it was take none this way,

but as I explained, it really had nothing to do with what I was saying

or what my committee was doing and it's a terrible shame it's been

taken in that way. Paula Radcliffe? I accept that. From

this point, what I would like to see is everything move forward in terms

of getting to the truth. The truth coming out, but also making sure

that in all sports, the federations and the integrity and protection of

the clean athletes across all sports moves forward in the right

direction. If you ask me what a Government selection committee can

do, in that aspect in terms of improvements, it's worth pushing

through the legislation to increase the doping bans and the deterrents

and we can possibly look towards criminalisation of the whole chain,

including the entourage, the supply of the doping materials and the

Agent let'ses and coaches who take that decision to take that short cut

and to cheat. It comes as the bosses of UK

Athletics and UK Anti-Doping face questions from MPs on Jesse Norman's

committee today about how much they know about allegations

of doping in athletics. Ed Warner has just begun giving his

evidence. Let's watch a bit live now. How can you be sure the IAAF is

going to react. In your previous comments, you talked about being a

cattle prod to the IAAF which implies goosing you up a bit and

that they have been rather inactive. Is that true? They have been rather

inactive, absolutely. They have been very active doing the things they

have to do on clean-up but they haven't, I don't think, got

sufficient resources to invest in creating the new future. I'll give

you a very good example. The General Secretary of the IAAF left in

October. They only last week appointed an interim Chief

Executive, same role different title, to replace him, and we are

told that there'll be a new permanent Chief Executive in place

by the middle of this year. So that will be a year into the new

presidency and nine or ten months since the previous General Secretary

left. To my mind, there's not enough speed in that process because you

need that organisation run by the full-time set of executives probably

from outside the sport and therefore untainted by anything that's gone

before who can drive it forward as their full-time day jobs. At the

moment, there's something of a vacuum in there and it needs to be

filled. So you use the phrase cattle prod, it's not a bad phrase, I think

it needs some more impetus. So just to be clear, you don't think

anybody's got a full-time focus at the top of the IAAF? Not at the top.

I mean Lord Coe is a part-time president. There is only now an

interim Chief Executive put in place so I guess within the last week

there's someone who's get a full-time focus but that's only

temporary. It needs a great executive. We have seen the Deputy

General Secretary had the stand aside just in the last few weeks.

This isn't good news. Do you think Lord Coe needs to be a

bit more hands on in this crucial transition period? I think he's very

hands on at the moment. I would certainly not accuse him of failing

to get his hands on it. You have said he's not full-time? He is the

President which is a part-time role. He only has two hands. He needs to

get more good bodies around him. He's got some, he's rented in some

good temporary expertise, in Paul Dayton and others from the local

team, but I just think there's more capacity work to be done there that

needs to be filled. You said there, I think it's a quotation of the

lawyers, that "they think they are run ago show at the moment". Ed

Warner, the head of UK athletics. The chairman also there. We'll keep

monitoring that and bring you any good bits, if I can put it like

that. We can talk now to the reigning

European 10,000 metre champion Jo Pavey who has been beaten

by athletes who have subsequently been banned for cheating -

she's published her blood data to prove she's clean -

and to Professor Barrie Houlihan, Professor of Sport at

Loughborough University, who can explain how

blood doping works. Jo Pavey, I confess I did not

realise that Lord Coe was a part-time president of the IAAF, is

that enough of his time spent on reforming the organisation is

cleaning up athletics? As athletes we have all lost a bit of confidence

in the way that IAAF can look after the confidence of clean athletes. As

an athlete, you want to trust your governing body to look after the

interests of athletes training hard, day in and day out. When you hear

about the cover-ups going up in your actual governing body, it is

devastating. There is so much work for Lord Coe. There need to be

sweeping changes. There is so much to do, it is a matter of urgency.

Hopefully he can bring about those changes. Foodie you know trust in

your sport? I think it is a dark day for the sport. -- who do you now

trust? I feel I have lost a lot of trust. As an athlete, competing on

track, you have suspicions that sometimes you are competing against

athletes who have doped, but you hope your governing body will be

acting on your behalf. Hopefully we can move the sport forward, it need

sweeping changes, we need to know what certain cancel members of the

IAAF were aware of these allegations of corruption going on, we need new

people to be brought in, as Ed Warner has said. We have lost a lot

of trust. It feels at the moment that it will take a lot for athletes

to build that trust, the public watching the sport and youngsters

coming in. But I am so passionate about the sport, I love the sport

and I hope we can come through these dark days and out the other side,

but it is devastating at the moment. Wilber Rio Olympics this year be

cleaner than London 2012? It is an ongoing process. Hopefully it will

be cleaner. It is hard to put a timescale on how long it will take

to bring the sweeping changes. You need to have a completely

independent anti-doping agency. For all sports, we have lost trust in

governing bodies being able to police their own anti-doping issues,

and we need a completely independent body where no athletes have anywhere

to hide and it is totally separate from people who can possibly gain

money out of athletes doping. Those are the steps that we need to take.

It will not happen overnight. Professor, do you think any athletes

are stupid enough right now to be doping? I am sure there are plenty

of athletes looking at ways to improve their performance. A legal

ways? You think that is still going on? Illegal ways? I am sure. Wow!

Even though we know what we know now?! I think there always athletes

who will take the risk, there will always be governments who encourage

athletes to take that risk. I think we should not be complacent or feel

that the crisis has frightened people away. I think doping still

remains a very serious problem in a whole range of sports. Does that

lead you to think that life bands are the only deterrent? A life ban

for a first offence is a difficult sanction to impose. Why? Why? Come

on. I am surprised by your answer, I said why about six times! In normal

course practice, you give someone a second chance. I know that might be

really difficult in sport, but sometimes athletes can be coerced,

make mistakes, be foolish. I think the penalty for a first offence

should be higher. At the moment it is four years for a first offence,

-- serious offence, I think it could be higher. But a lifetime ban, I am

doubtful. I would always give someone a chance to reform

themselves, but if they commit a second offence I could say that a

life ban would be essential. Justin Gatlin had a second chance, it

didn't really work out. Actually, it did for him! I think there will

always be athletes who feel they can be the system, one of your previous

interviewees commented that the anti-doping system needs to be much

more rebuffed and better funded. It is funded on a shoestring. It is an

afterthought after all the other investment is made in sport, it is

grossly underfunded both globally and nationally. If we are serious

about cleaning up sport, we need to put a lot more money into

anti-doping efforts. Thank you very much, Professor Barry Houlihan, and

Jo Pavey. Thanks for joining us. Still to come

before 11am, will shed control rooms for police, fire and ambulance

improve the response to 999 calls? We will hear the arguments for and

against. Pregnant women are being urged not

to visit areas of South America affected by the Zika virus, or being

urged to reconsider their travel bans. That chakra travel plans. --

their travel plans. A report on the death of a baby boy

from sepsis has said the 111 NHS helpline in England isn't sensitive

enough to identify the illness in children whose

condition is worsening. William Mead died in December 2014,

after seeing doctors repeatedly over There were errors during the whole

call, we weren't really listened to. The call handler didn't recognise it

as a complex call. There was quite a catalogue of errors.

The chair of the Culture Select Committee has partially apologised

on this programme to the British marathon runner Paula Radcliffe

The women's world record holder felt she had been indirectly named

by Jessie Norman during a committee meeting last year, in relation

to doping allegation in the Sunday Times.

The boss of UK Anti-Doping and the head of UK Athletics

will give evidence to the committee later.

-- are giving evidence this morning. I'm perfectly happy to say that I'm

sorry to hear what happened and I'm sorry it was taken this way, but it

really has had nothing to do with what I was saying more my committee

was doing. I think it is a terrible shame it has been taken that way.

I accept that, and I think from this point what I would like to see is it

being moved forward in terms of getting to the truth, the truth

coming out, but also making sure that in all sports federations have

the integrity and it is moving forward on the right direction.

Stock markets in China have fallen sharply again,

The main index in Shanghai was down more than six per cent.

It follows heavy falls last week on Asia's main markets which sparked

John has the sport. It has been a disappointing entering them as my

protest Syriza with South Africa after they lost the fourth and final

match in Centurion, losing seven wickets in just over a now as South

Africa secured a 281 win, some consolation to them as England win

2-1. Novak Djokovic beat Kei Nishikori in

straight sets in the Australian Open. It is tricky the end but no

repeats of the errors which marred Djokovic 's five set match against

Giles Simon in the previous match. Serena Williams beat Maria Sharapova

for the 18th time in a row to reach the last four, she is on course for

a record equalling 22nd Grand Slam title.

BBC sport is told that Man United manager Louis van Gaal did not offer

to resign at the weekend, despite reports that he told the club's

vice-chairman that he would go following Saturday 's 1-0 defeat by

Southampton. Saracens wing Chris Ashton will

appeal against his ban for eye gouging, a ban which would keep them

out of the entire England six Nations campaign.

More on the breaking news about Tesco, they seriously breached an

industry code by intentionally delaying payment to suppliers. This

is according to a report out today. Our business correspondent Ben joins

us. Ben Thompson. The reporters by whom, and the

topline is what? By The Groceries Code Adjudicator, a pretty damning

report. It came to light when there was the big black Hull last year

discovered in Tesco 's finances, prompting questions about how Tesco

does its accounts? The damning report says Tesco are advised its

own finances over treating suppliers fairly. In a normal relationship

suppliers with provide goods to Tesco, they would sell them and pay

them in return. Tesco was delaying how much and when it would pay

suppliers, the reason being a tad told investors on the market that

the figure for profit would this amount, it was not looking so rosy,

so by holding onto the money it meant the profits looks better for

the City, investors on the stock market. That is unfair because

suppliers went without payment, they could not pay their staff and expand

the business, it caused cash flow problems. In one case, someone was

out of pocket to Tesco for two years before they were paid the amount due

to them. It is a damning report which breaches all legal guidelines

and a code of conduct aimed specifically at protecting the

grocery suppliers from the big supermarket, which do wield so much

power. Two years is outrageous for a company much smaller than Tesco to

wait that long for money. What is the report recommended terms of

sanctions for Tesco? At is the problem, the investigation was

launched after new powers were given to the adjudicator, the people who

did this report, so they are not allowed to find them or give them

tough penalty. What they have said is that Tesco needs to improve its

systems and what it actually does in terms of dealing with suppliers.

Dave Lewis, chief executive of Tesco, said, we are really sorry.

This is not a business that I recognise, we have tried to change

things, it is about improving the racial chip with suppliers. Clearly

this would have a damaging consequences for the business if it

went on. Other issues came to light, they decided unilaterally to make

discounts. We have told you you owe as this much, but we will pay you

less because we have the power to do that, the power of Tesco. This is

all laid out in a code of conduct for the retailers when it comes to

dealing with suppliers. Tesco did not do that. No fines or sanctions,

Tesco are keen to say they are improving relationships with their

suppliers, but there is a fractious relationship between the power of

the big supermarkets and how they deal with their smaller suppliers.

So they just say sorry and that is it? In theory. They have said they

will improve training. Training, come on! You don't make someone wait

for two years to pay them! We have talked about the fractious

relationship between eight and small retailers. They are at the mercy of

these big retailers, the big five in the UK. This code of conduct was

introduced for exactly that reason, to try to protect them when it came

up against the power of the big retailers, but it is very difficult.

They will expect to be paid quite later the supply and, they don't

expect the money on the day the sale was made, but two years is a

staggering weight. I know journalists are not trusted by

anyone, but as a last resort that company could have gone to

journalists and we would have done the story. It is so rife across the

industry, that is the problem. The Home Office is calling

for police, fire and ambulance services to share control rooms

to improve their response Proposals requiring the emergency

services to work together will be It's expected they'll also include

plans to give police and crime commissioners in England overall

responsibility for their It could mean fire chiefs with no

experience of fighting crime will be given the opportunity

to run police forces. It's been called a dangerous move

by the Fire Brigades Union. The Home Office minister

Mike Penning says it would be better if one operator handled

all the calls from one control room. We consulted, and it is not just

to do with the Fire Service, as to how we can bring the emergency

services to better collaboration. What we are going to go ahead

with is actually asking the back room systems within the emergency

service, the fire, police and ambulance, to work

closer together. Some parts of the country,

they're already doing that, and in other parts of the country

they are lagging behind. We cannot afford that are lagging

behind because that will cost lives. We're going to push ahead,

we will have more responsibility for the PCCs, and have the emergency

services that I served in worked Let's talk about this with Matthew

Ellis, the police and crime commission of the Staffordshire,

John the grief from the Fire Brigades Union and we have the

vice-chair of the Police Federation for England and Wales -- John Magee.

Matthew Ellis, why is this a good idea? The similarities between the

two services are distinct, the DNA of both the fire and police services

is about protect people, preventing harm. You look at this in a

common-sense way, you can move more money to front line services by

Sherry same functions currently in different places, and from an

operational point of view it makes enormous sense to work much closer

together. What are the issues, John? Well, there are huge distinctions

between police and fire. I mean, fire has a brand that people in the

Fire Service are actually invited into people's homes, where we can

give fire safety advice. We have a completely different relationship,

we've built up years of trust. I don't know how that would change by

having one control operator. The question is not about the control.

First off... So you are all right with that? Whether we share a

building is irrelevant, it's happening already across the

country, there are several different models. And good practice? Of

course. But fire control operators don't just take a call and despatch

a fire engine, they gave safety advice that's tailored for the Fire

and Rescue Service, likewise for the police operators, they give

different advise to the callers. Sure but the operator could be

trained to to both? Look, at the moment, the Fire Service has

embarked on trials for working with the ambulance services across the

whole of the UK. We have got about 20 trials running at the moment

where Fire Services are responding to calls that would otherwise have

been taken by the ambulance service. That's not a lack of response or

control operators in the ambulance control room, it's a lack of

ambulances. There are not enough resources. Do you accept that? ...

This whole question that we need to put everybody in the same control

room doesn't deal with the fact that we've lost 7,000 firefighters in the

last five years. Tell me why one operator in one control room if one

building means a fire engine/ambulance will get to where

it needs to go any quicker? I'm not looking at ambulances. Ambulances is

probably too difficult at the moment. OK, fine. Let's not get

caught up in control rooms. But tell me why it would mean a fire engine

would get there quicker? Well if they are in the same place,

communication can be better. Police and fire turn up to 47% of incident

where is only one is needed. It's about bringing the organisations

together as far as cooperation is concerned but not losing in any way,

shape or form, the identity of fire and the identity of police. In these

times of modern technology, you say it's better to gets everyone

together. Striving for efficiency is a good thing because we want to

protect the public service. Talking about you point, don't include

ambulances then if it's ridiculous. Why is it not ridiculous to

correlate the police and Fire Service together? I don't think I

said it was completely ridiculous. I come from a background where we do

things cautiously so let's try it with police and fire, let's act

which willy not do it in a way which is going to upset things. The

simplicity of this, to be honest a child could look at the similarities

of having two finance departments and two legal departments and two

comms departments and say, bring them into one and put more money to

support frontline firefighters and more money to support frontline

police officers. This isn't about a paper exercise and saving money,

it's about saving people. It's about people dialling 999 and the person

answering the call knowing what is required. John, from the Fire

Brigades' Union? A number of issues there. The introduction of Police

and Crime Commissioners, in terms of efficiency they didn't provide the

efficiency that they have set out to do, so, you know, like my colleague

here from the Police Federation, we want to find efficiencies, we are

work in collaboration with the police and the ambulance service and

we are constantly looking at ways of improving that. While we have got

time, I want to ask about the other issue which is somebody like

yourself, Police and Crime Commissioner for Staffordshire

taking on responsibility for the Fire Service in your area. Yes or

no? Thumbs up to that or thumbs down? Yes, I think the it's a

reasonable idea, put more money. Would you expect an increase in

salary No. This is about putting more money towards frontline

services. What is your experience of that... About the same as it was

with frontline services which is nothing and in Staffordshire we are

not cutting, we have got rid of the waste, we can do the same but

together. You say there is a good record when it comes to police? This

is not about a bad example in one area and a good in another. It's

about evidence and looking at what he is doing. Collaborations are

happening already. People are working together and that can be

developed and we want to increase efficiency and deliver a better

service for the public. This doesn't necessarily bring a better service

to the public. The Police and Crime Commissioners, the accountability to

local authorities it's taken away, you know, I think Matthew was

elected by 11% turnout, you know, in his own area, that doesn't reflect

what the public are looking for. The public want to know that when they

get on a phone and need either an ambulance, they get an ambulance, if

they need a police officer, they want a police officer. I don't

understand why they won't? We are getting lost in the argument here

about providing proper Public Services. This is about cuts. That's

what these proposals are about. Matthew said he's protected

frontline services because he's put officers who're not physically

capable of being out there, they are taken out from jobs, being put back

in the back room and back on to the beat. That's the same thing with

Fire Service... Do you know what? Sorry... Firefighters have been

told, you will still climb ladders at 60. This entrenchment is bizarre.

We need public services to work together. It can happen in an

integrated way. We can save money from the back end and put it through

to the frontline. I can't believe... Nobody's disagreeing. This is about

the Government, the governance of police and fire. The police

commissioners can call for the Fire Service, that is going to be the

situation. This is not going to be about improving. I exist agree

fundamentally that we are entrenched because we adapt all the timep this

is about emergency services and people's lives, the bottom line.

Thank you all very much. Egg The World Health Organisation

says there's suspected brain damage being caused to babies in Brazil.

The Zika virus is carried by mosquitoes and there is currently no

vaccine or treatment available. So what causes the devastating virus?

Who is most at risk and how does it spread? This is the mosquito. It's

obviously not, that is a man. Anyway, I was going to show you the

mosquito. There it is. This is it infected with the virus and it can

pass it to humans with a single bite. It's the same mosquito which

also spread Dengue fever. The Zika virus was identified way back in

1947 in Uganda. But until a few months ago, it was not thought to be

a public health threat. 80% of those infected have no symptoms. In the

rest, it can cause a mild fever and headaches and a skin rash is common,

as is conjunctivitis, read and sore eyes. So what has changed? In less

than a year it's spread from Mexico, the Caribbean to South America and

now 21 countries, these red countries, most notably Brazil. The

red dot doctors believe represents a major threat to women affected in

the early stages of pregnancy. They think it will cause damaged brains

in babies, a condition known as microcephaly and they are

investigating 3,500 cases. More Tests are urgently being carried out

as it's not proven. It's that same man again! I am so sorry, he keeps

popping up. It's too cold in the UK for the mosquito so it's not a

public health threat here but global officials think in time it will

spread to more countries, including the United States. The Brazilian BBC

service joins us now. The advice from the WHO is what? For people to

take precautions because there is no cure for the virus but you have to

protect yourselves from the virus. People intending to get pregnant and

travelling to those areas should be careful. That is all they can do.

The virus is a challenge even for the big minds of the WHO.

Yes. In terms of protecting yourself, you're in Brazil, what is

happening? The Zika virus has been with us 30 years and has been

eradicated twice but it comes back. It can lay eggs in a drop of water.

It's the most powerful insecticide, has to be flying to be taken down.

It's powerful. What we have been taught to do since I was a teenager

is put a lot of repellant in and that's what the Government is doing

now, giving it for thousands of women in the social welfare

programmes. That's stuff that can protect you from the bite but

there's no perfect thing to do. There's epidemics and outbreaks and

challenges, Dengue has been there endemic for 30 years but it doesn't

have any link to birth defects. This is something that even the experts

in CDC et cetera are taken by surprise. Thank you very much.

The organisers of the National Lottery, who are looking

for the winner of a ?33 million jackpot, say they've received claims

from hundreds of people who say they bought the lucky ticket -

Jon Kay is at a newsagent in Worcester where the ownerthink

the genuine ticket may have been sold.

This is the Ambleside newsagents in the Warnden area of Worcester and

they think this is maybe the place that sold the lucky ticket but it

hasn't been verified yet. It's one of, as you say, we understand

hundreds of people who've come forward over the last few days

thinking maybe it was them. Camelot aren't saying where it was bought,

only that it was sold somewhere in Worcester because the identity of

the location of the sale is part of whole verification process. That

verification process is going on at Lottery HQ at the moment. Here is

the front-page of the Worcester News today: Hundreds of claims for that

?33m Lotto pot, one of the biggest lottery jackpot prizes that's ever

existed. They say here that a lady came in on

Friday with what looked like a soggy, damaged ticket with

apparently the right numbers. She said it had gone through the washing

machine. Other people have said they have lost their ticket, maybe that

they've had it stolen, something like that. Mr Patel, newsagent, good

morning to you. Hello, Sir. Since you went public as maybe having sold

the ticket, it's gone crazy here, you have had other people coming in

too? We have, yes, some people saying they bought the ticket but

lost it, misplaced it or whatever, so there are quite a few. Camelot

are inundated at the moment with people saying that they've lost

them, so Camelot have to investigate shim. What do you make of these

people who've been coming in, do you believe any of them? If that is the

truth, where were they until now. It sounds like you are doubting them?

Well, doubting them in the sense as if to say if someone was doubtful in

their own selves, if they had the ticket and the numbers, they ought

to have come through first. You are selling a lot of tickets as a result

aren't you, everybody seems to be playing the lottery this morning? We

hope and we believe we are a lucky shop so a lot more people think

they'll have the luck. You are the greatest winner in all of this, even

if none of your customers are! We wish a win for everyone. OK, sadly

not everybody can win, but maybe it could be somebody. See you maybe

again. Thanks a lot, bye. Could be you, Jon or me, could be