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Hello, it's Thursday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire -

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Europe's most wanted - police investigating the Brussels

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bombings search for the man in white.

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The Belgian authorities think he fled the city's airport

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after the two men who were with him blew themselves up during

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Officials in Brussels tell reporters that one of the suicide bombers

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who attacked the city's airport was involved in making

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the explosives for the Paris attacks in November.

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I'm Jon Kay, reporting live from Brussels. A second national day of

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mourning here as people stop and reflect in this square. You also see

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them checking their mobile phones to check out the latest in the

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investigation. Plus here, a warning that hundreds

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of thousands of council houses and housing association homes

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could be lost forever. There were always about 20, 20 5% of

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the population who cannot afford to own their own home or rent on the

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market -- 25%. What are we going to do about those groups of people

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going into the future if we allow social housing to continue to

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decline? Grief, confusion and recriminations

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as police in Brussels investigating the airport and metro bombings

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which killed at least 31 people are hunting for a suspect,

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pictured wearing a white jacket on CCTV footage at the airport

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shortly before the attacks took It's thought he escaped

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after his two accomplices Unconfirmed reports suggest one

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of the suicide bombers was Najim Laachraoui,

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believed to have been involved in the planning of

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the Paris atrocities. Some more names and nationalities

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of the victims have Though only a handful have been

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formally identified, as the city enters a second day

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of national mourning. A focal point for tributes

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is still the Place de la Bourse where our reporter Jon

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Kay is this morning. What is the latest?

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Good morning, Victoria. It is interesting to mention the victims

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because there is a sense here in Brussels and across Belgium of

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keeping the victims at the forefront of this. We have seen the CCTV

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images of the suspect, the mugshots, the pictures from the airport and

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Metro, but I think what people here want to do is keep talking about

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those who lost their lives and that is why they are coming here,

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reflected in the front page of the papers. 331 innocence, a total of

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331 people believed to have lost their lives so far, though that is

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expected to rise, and the 300 injured, some of them critically. We

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are told to expect more deaths, the death toll to rise in the days

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ahead. You can see from the faces the range of ages, backgrounds and

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nationalities of those caught up in these attacks. But while the focus

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on those front pages may be on the victims, the focus for the

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authorities here is a manhunt, at least for one

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man, maybe for more. All kinds of confusion yesterday, arrests had

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been made, hadn't been made, looking for this person or that person. We

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will get the latest as it stands from Simon Jones.

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Solidarity, sympathy, defiance, fear.

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The candles and tributes grow as Belgium enters a second day

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The big question - where is this man?

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The hunt continues for the airpoprt attacker who fled the scene

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TRANSLATION: The suspect wearing a light-coloured coat and a hat

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He left a large bag and departed before the explosions.

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His bag contained the biggest explosive device.

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Two of the suicide bombers have been identified as brothers Brahim

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and Khalid el-Bakraoui, petty criminals known to the police.

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Brahim, in the middle, was one of the three attackers

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On the left may be Najim Laachraoui, the suspected bomb

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maker in the Paris attacks last November.

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He is linked to Salah Abdeslam, the one surviving Paris attacker

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The Bakraoui brothers have been linked to safe houses

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Paris clearly connected to events in Brussels.

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It has emerged that Brahim was deported from Turkey last year.

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Turkey says Belgium ignored warnings that he was dangerous.

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TRANSLATION: Despite our warning that this person was a foreign

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terrorist fighter, Belgian authorities could not find

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Belgium insists he had been identified as a common criminal,

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not a terrorism suspect, but questions are growing as to how

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the police and security services have handled the terror threat.

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Among the people confirmed dead, Leopold Hecht, a law

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student in Brussels, and Adelma Tapia Ruiz from Peru,

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mother of twin girls who survived the attack.

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Overnight, London landmarks were lit up in solidarity with Brussels.

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Today, EU interior and justice ministers will hold a crisis meeting

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to discuss their response to Belgium's worst

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48-hour is after those attacks, I have to say it feels rather more

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calm here today, busier as well. People, after staying away, staying

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at home yesterday, appear to be going to work, school, college, as

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they might normally, but this is a new normal, and every Metro station

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and bus station have intense security, we have seen the military

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the street in public spaces, the investigations, the manhunt

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continues, it is clearly a nervous, edgy here in Brussels.

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Thank you. Here, a former head of MI6,

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Sir Richard Dearlove, has questioned claims that leaving

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the EU would compromise security. But the Defence Secretary,

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Michael Fallon, said the recent terror attacks showed the need

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for more cooperation with the EU. Live to Westminster and our

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political guru Norman Smith. What has Sir Richard Dearlove said?

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We have become used to the Brexit campaigners warning about the risk

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to security from free movement in the EU, what is interesting about

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Sir Richard's criticism is he focuses on the calibre and quality

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of Brussels-based security organisations. So, for example, he

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says they are of little consequence, he says that you recall, the main EU

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law enforcement agency involves 28 nations of differing abilities in

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terms of their approach to intelligence -- Europol. And he

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raises questions about how secure they are, saying countries like

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Britain doesn't want to put their intelligence into a leaking

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organisation, and he said if we left it would make no difference to our

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close working relationship with the United States, and far better to

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have bilateral deals when it comes to intelligence. Against that we

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have heard this morning from another former spy chief, the former head of

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GCHQ, who said quite the opposite. His argument is that we are only

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going to be safe if the intelligence operations in Europe are up to

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scratch. How do we help them to be up to scratch? By cooperating with

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them. The danger if we pull out is that it deprives them of a lot of

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our intelligence, so we have two intelligence chiefs on either side

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of the debate in the EU referendum, and it matters because the issue of

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national security is becoming absolutely central to that

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referendum campaign. Thank you, Norman.

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And with with rest of the day's news, here's Annita in the BBC

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A UN war crimes tribunal is to return its verdict today

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in the case of the former Bosnian-Serb leader Radovan

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He's accused of genocide and crimes against humanity related to the war

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At least 100,000 people died in the conflict,

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before an American-brokered peace deal brought the fighting

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The verdict will be broadcast live on a big screen in Sarajevo this

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lunchtime and we will speak to our correspondent there later this hour.

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Police are appealing for information after two women were murdered

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The attacks took place in different locations yesterday evening.

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A 34-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder

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Australia says aircraft debris found off the coast of Mozambique

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is almost certainly from missing Malaysian Airlines plane MH370.

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Two parts of a plane were found separately by members

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of the public and were flown to Australia last month for analysis.

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Flight MH370 vanished in March 2014 with 238 people on board.

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The bodies of a man and a woman have been found by rescuers searching

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for two climbers who've been missing on Ben Nevis since February.

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Rachel Slater and Tim Newton, from Bradford, failed to return

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from an outing on the mountain and hazardous weather hampered

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Police Scotland said the families of the two climbers

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Victims of online fraud shouldn't be refunded by banks if they fail

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to protect themselves, according to Britain's most

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Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said that the public were being rewarded

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for bad behaviour and should take more responsibility

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In 2014, the last full year for which figures are available,

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the cost of online fraud was ?479 million.

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Currently, banks and credit card companies automatically pay out

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unless they can prove that the victim was negligent.

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But the police say as many as eight out of ten phishing or malware

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attacks would be avoided if people didn't click on the link.

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Two senior officers are now suggesting it might be time

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for the public to take more responsibility.

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The Commissioner of the Met Police, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe,

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is reported in the Times saying that automatic pay-outs reward bad

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Commander Chris Greany of the City of London Police,

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the national coordinator for economic crime, told the BBC

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that people should consider security in cyberspace as much of a routine

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as locking their front door when they go out.

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The police say this is not about blaming victims but trying

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to ensure fewer people become victims in the first place.

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But consumer groups argue that ending automatic compensation

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could not only delay pay-outs but also discourage banks

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from investing in online security themselves.

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Ben Ando, BBC News at New Scotland Yard.

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US President Barack Obama has shown off his dancing skills at a state

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Hundreds of guests were entertained by an impromptu performance

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as the president, shortly joined by First Lady Michelle Obama,

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danced the country's national dance, the Tango, accompanied

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News -

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Throughout the programme we'll keep you up to date with the latest

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Before 10am, we know affordable housing is a big issue for you,

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we're going to detail the big changes that are coming

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to council houses and housing association homes.

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If you live in a housing association property,

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do watch our film and tell us how the changes could affect you.

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You can get in touch using the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE.

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If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

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And I always try and feed some of your contributions

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into our conversations throughout the morning.

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And massive change of heart from Novak Djokovic?

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It seems that way, we will start with the row going on over men and

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women's pay Intel is. The 11 time grand slam champion Novak Djokovic

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has apologised to a number of leading female players and has

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spoken to Andy Murray, who criticised the world than the one

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following comments he made on Sunday. Djokovic suggested male

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players should earn more as they generate more income. Now, though,

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he was -- he says he was referring to more pay across the board and is

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trying to explain himself. I was referring to the tournament and the

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wealth distributed to all the players, high ranked, lower ranks,

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female, male, young, old. I was talking in the name of all the

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players, I think that we deserve more of the wealth distribution that

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is generated on certain tournaments, that's what I am referring to. All

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genders? Yes, all genders. That is that put to bed, maybe not!

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England's cricketers were not good enough according to Captain Owen

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Morgan as they narrowly avoided embarrassment against Afghanistan.

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England slipped to 57-6 but big hitting from David Willey and Moeen

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Ali gave them a total of 142. Afghanistan were always behind in

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the run chase as England won by 15 runs and afterwards Morgan was

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understandably pleased with the contributions from Moeen Ali and

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David Willey. Where the rest of our batting struggle today, those guys

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should a great deal of application in the right manner, starting on to

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bigger wickets like these is difficult, you almost need mistakes

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before you actually click your brain into thinking, I have got plenty of

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time here, I have to get runs under my belt and establish the

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partnership. It is so different to the wickets we have played on.

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Emphasising that throughout the side is very important.

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Wales and Northern Ireland meet in a friendly at the Cardiff city Stadium

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tonight ahead of this summer's euros. Both teams have ended a long

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wait to reach a major competition but Wales will be without key

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players character bail and Aaron Ramsey.

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Looking forward to it, two important games for us, as it always is.

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Everybody says two friendly games, but never go into a game playing for

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Wales thinking it didn't matter. It is a big one for us. We are going to

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play against some teams with exceptional individual players,

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which obviously I was bail is. Aaron Ramsey comes into that category as

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well, and that is note disrespect to the rest of the Wales squad, who are

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good international players. From that point of view it would have

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been good for our preparation to have to deal with that, but equally

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the fact they are not playing sets us a different challenge. Scotland

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also in action tonight, playing a friendly in the Czech Republic. That

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is all for now. A British woman filmed sheltering

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with her family in the aftermath of the Brussels airport attack says

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she'd been reading just the day before, what to do in the event

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of a terrorist attack. Pauline Graystone, who has lived

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in Belgium for 20 years, was checking in at Brussels

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International Airport She was with her

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daughter and husband. The images of her on the floor

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of the departure hall, amid the chaos of the attack,

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have been seen around the world. The luggage was on the conveyor

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belt. We'd just been checked in. At that moment there was a loud bang, a

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crack. We all turned round and I said "what's that? ". It wasn't

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obvious to me that it was a bomb. My husband thought it was. We

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immediately dropped to the floor and we were basically there I don't know

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how long. Probably a few seconds, maybe longer. Then suddenly there

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was an even louder bang in front of us behind the check-in and this was

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clearly a bomb because you could feel the heat and see the light, you

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could smell the burning and lots of the ceiling fell down. This is when

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it got very scary, it was like, this is it. You hear about these things

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on the news, of course it's never going to be you is it, then suddenly

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you think this is it and of course we'd heard two bombs, it was clear.

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Yes, I was just thinking, there's going to be another one, another

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one. So it was numb terror, I guess. The first blast was behind us. By

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the time I looked, the second had already detonated. I just saw the

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blow, the aftermath. I crouched to the floor and remember just staying

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there which seemed for a very long time but I don't think it was that

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long. I remember hearing my mum telling me it was going to be OK and

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that just to wait and make myself small so that's what I did. Did you

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feel it was going to be OK? I did but no at the same time. I watch a

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lot of cop things. It gives you a surreal image that maybe you could

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die but it was fine. You were with your husband and daughter, did you

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keep them close to you? Yes, clung on! I just grabbed both of them. I

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mean, I just wanted us all to be as small as possible, so we were like

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one group very close together. I just kept thinking, be as small as

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you can, so we kept very tightly together.

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That was Pauline Graystone and her daughter talking to Katya

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Two days on from the attack, what's the atmosphere

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As politicians and the media have variously placed blame

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on the Government, the security services and disconnected

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communities in Belgium, we can speak now to three Muslim

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Nadia Fadil, a university lecturer, Hajib Hajaji, an anti-islamophobia

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activist and Taouwfik Amzil, an entrepreneur who helps young

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Welcome to the programme. Thank you for joining us. Nadia, how would you

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describe the last couple of days? Right after the attacks, there has

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been a quite impressive amount of solidarity. I think many people have

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also showed that they were quite shocked also about the attacks.

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There have been several weeks that it's been -- several wakes organised

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by the communities in the city. I was surprised by the general

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expressions of solidarities. Hajib, what would you say? Can you hear me?

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Yes. Thoughts and prayers firstly for the victims to close friends and

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family. We were shocked. As a human rights organisation, we have a right

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to live in a peaceful country. We are astonished about this attack.

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It's a global attack in all of Europe and now in Brussels. Some

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people were wounded and some people died. This is the minority of the

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Muslims. This is an attack of some groups, minority groups, and they

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promote fire and we need to come bat them. -- come back at them.

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How do you come back at them? Can you hear me? Yes, do go ahead? We

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are now at a Crossroads. First, we need to make sure that people have a

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feeling of security and living in a safe place. We then need to get to

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the root cause which is, we are living in front of home-grown

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terrorists. Those people, those bad guys, have been first going from

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social exclusion to pelty crime to radicalisation. Most important here

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is not to put the blame on the entire community. The community, the

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Muslim community, has suffered and is suffering still now from all

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these attacks. But on the other hand, we need to start a very

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critical dialogue to make sure that the measures are set. We need to

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have far more positive IDs and policies to take place and it means

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simply making sure that all people here in Belgium or even in Europe

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have the sense and feeling that they have access. We need to cut the risk

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of radicalisation. If we don't do that in the mid or long-term, we'll

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just have more and more attacks and this is exactly what Isis is looking

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for, to divide people and make sure that racism, generalisation and

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Islamophobia is increasing and then putting the word out for more

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recruitment. Nadia, on that point about generalisations, a British man

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here described on Twitter the fact that he went up to a Muslim woman in

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Croydon just outside London and confronted her, these are his words,

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he posted this on Twitter "I confronted a Muslim woman today,

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asked her to explain Brussels". She said "nothing to do with me," it was

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a male write mouthed reply. Has there been anything like that in

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Belgium? A few politicians have expressed the desire to hear Muslims

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more ex-mes sitly condemning the attacks which is actually quite

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remarkable because all the organisations, as far as I've been

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able to follow, have come out with public declarations condemning the

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attacks, so yes, I think the more problematic facet is that there is a

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tendency to somehow connect, draw these connections between the

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multicultural society that is considered by several opinion-makers

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and leaders and in Britain you have also witnessed the same tendencies

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to declare multiculturalism as a field experiment. That's one part of

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the story. The other part of the story is to understand the attacks

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themselves and the nature of the attacks and also that's been already

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suggested by Tawfiq in his explanation. It's important to

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understand the attacks in a context of global warfare and further

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explanation of the attacks. There is an indirect connection between these

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two in the sense that if you alienate a big segment of your

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population and don't offer any ways to choose to have a productive

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manner, there might be a tiny fraction of the communities that

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could resort to arms. But if we want to understand the attacks, it's

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important to situate them in the global War on Terror context in

:24:17.:24:21.

which we have been living for 15 years now and that has, through the

:24:22.:24:25.

implication of a number of young people who've left because they were

:24:26.:24:28.

fed up with Europe basically, who've left to join the fight and the

:24:29.:24:33.

battle in Syria, who have come back in order to take Europe as a

:24:34.:24:38.

military target in the global warfare.

:24:39.:24:43.

You work a lot with young Muslims in Brussels, how would you describe the

:24:44.:24:46.

relationship between the local communities that you go into and the

:24:47.:24:50.

authorities, and I'm talking obviously about the Government, the

:24:51.:24:55.

police, Intelligence Services and so on? The most important here is that

:24:56.:25:03.

we are creating bridges between local communities, youngsters and

:25:04.:25:08.

the authorities and also other institutions. Why - because you know

:25:09.:25:13.

it's a democratic situation in Brussels. We have a very big

:25:14.:25:20.

important Muslim community in Brussels, art of the Institute of

:25:21.:25:25.

Brussels. Those people, those youngsters are the future electors,

:25:26.:25:30.

workers and tenants for Brussels and this is actually the message we are

:25:31.:25:34.

passing to the Government, which is don't ignore this, it's an important

:25:35.:25:38.

part of the population because you will need them at certain points,

:25:39.:25:41.

they'll become the Brussels guys for tomorrow. So we need to make sure

:25:42.:25:49.

that everybody has the feeling that he's part of the society which is

:25:50.:25:54.

not really the case. We have very strong statements from youngsters

:25:55.:25:59.

saying that there is nothing to live here in Belgium so maybe it's better

:26:00.:26:05.

to go to Syria and die. This is very strong statements from youngsters

:26:06.:26:09.

who've been born and raised and grown in Brussels, saying this. So

:26:10.:26:13.

it shows that our social fabric is very weak. Today, more than ever, we

:26:14.:26:19.

need to make sure that what happens in Paris, Istanbul and now in

:26:20.:26:28.

Brussels, should not be happening. For that, at the government level or

:26:29.:26:36.

at the social society level, it has to take the investing in money to

:26:37.:26:41.

ensure it doesn't happen again, otherwise it's another war again.

:26:42.:26:43.

Many families in Belgium desperately wait for news of loved ones, and the

:26:44.:26:57.

majority of the people are trying to continue with daily life. Jon Kay

:26:58.:27:00.

has been finding out how they are coping in the aftermath of the

:27:01.:27:01.

attacks. Imagine facing this on your way to

:27:02.:27:13.

work. Commuters wait to get inside the station. Checked one by one. In

:27:14.:27:24.

the light of the attacks, we found few complaints. It's awful but we

:27:25.:27:28.

have to do it. We are glad we have some controls, yes. We have to do

:27:29.:27:33.

it. My grandson is born last night and I want to go to the hospital to

:27:34.:27:38.

see him and I haven't had a chance and I think that the doors will be

:27:39.:27:43.

closed until I'm home tonight. So how do you feel about the

:27:44.:27:47.

security and waiting in your situation? Well, I can understand.

:27:48.:27:52.

You can understand? Yes, security above everything. These weren't just

:27:53.:27:56.

attacks on the capital of Belgium, but on Brussels as the home of the

:27:57.:28:01.

European Union. The impact is only too clear.

:28:02.:28:06.

During the working week, this area would normally be buzzing with

:28:07.:28:10.

politicians and officials and journalists shuttling between all

:28:11.:28:13.

the different EU buildings, but look, it's empty, the roads are

:28:14.:28:17.

empty, the offices are pretty much empty and I can show you why. Just

:28:18.:28:22.

down the hill there, by the barrier, that's the Metro station that was

:28:23.:28:26.

attacked on Tuesday morning. It's not fun and I don't think it's

:28:27.:28:30.

fun to live in any big city in Europe right now. Maria hasn't been

:28:31.:28:34.

able to do her job as an interpreter since the attacks and her children

:28:35.:28:38.

haven't been to school. But like so many here, she remains calm. How are

:28:39.:28:43.

your kids, how are they doing? We are fine, we are fine, we told them

:28:44.:28:47.

there are some mean guys there, but the world is not all mean and we

:28:48.:28:52.

have to be careful, so I think you have to be honest with your kids and

:28:53.:28:55.

stuff. But while some in Belgium are able

:28:56.:29:00.

to continue with their plans, others are struggling to deal with this new

:29:01.:29:04.

normal. People like Isabella. The atmosphere

:29:05.:29:14.

is very nervous. It's very dangerous and I really, really, really scared.

:29:15.:29:19.

You are scared? Yeah, I'm scared. These women have come up with a

:29:20.:29:22.

novel approach in the fight against terror. Lifting people's spirits

:29:23.:29:28.

with helium-filled balloons. We think that if you hold this balloon

:29:29.:29:32.

it will give to people like some idea of peace and love. And a smile?

:29:33.:29:39.

Yes. We hope so! Yes, that's what we need for the

:29:40.:29:43.

moment isn't it. Everyone here has their own way of

:29:44.:29:50.

dealing with the attacks. While living with the consequences.

:29:51.:30:07.

This programme has been told that hundreds of thousands of council

:30:08.:30:11.

and housing association homes in England could be lost

:30:12.:30:13.

if the Government's home ownership plans are approved.

:30:14.:30:15.

He's accused of genocide and crimes against humanity

:30:16.:30:17.

Today former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic will find

:30:18.:30:20.

out his fate at the International Criminal Tribunal in The Hague.

:30:21.:30:22.

We will look back at what happened two decades ago.

:30:23.:30:30.

This just in from the French news agency AFP, they are reporting the

:30:31.:30:35.

Paras attack suspect Salah Abdeslam, who was detained in Brussels last

:30:36.:30:39.

Friday, is now saying that he wants to be extradited to France, quote,

:30:40.:30:43.

as soon as possible, to face charges, according to his lawyer.

:30:44.:30:47.

Salah Abdeslam told me that he wishes to leave for France as soon

:30:48.:30:52.

as possible, I will ask the investigating magistrate not to

:30:53.:30:57.

oppose his departure, that is an about turn because initially his

:30:58.:31:01.

lawyer was suggesting they would fight extradition from Belgium to

:31:02.:31:02.

France. Annita is in the BBC Newsroom

:31:03.:31:05.

and has more on that and a summary Police in Brussels are continuing

:31:06.:31:08.

their search for a suspect, pictured wearing a white jacket

:31:09.:31:17.

on CCTV footage at the airport shortly before the attacks

:31:18.:31:20.

took on Tuesday. It's thought he escaped

:31:21.:31:22.

after his two accomplices 31 people have been confirmed dead

:31:23.:31:24.

with hundreds more injured, Here, the Defence Secretary,

:31:25.:31:28.

Michael Fallon, has said the terror threat shows this isn't the time

:31:29.:31:31.

to be leaving the European Union. He was speaking after a former head

:31:32.:31:35.

of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove, argued that a British exit

:31:36.:31:40.

could lead to important security gains for the UK, including greater

:31:41.:31:43.

control over immigration A UN war crimes tribunal

:31:44.:31:45.

is to return its verdict today in the case of the former

:31:46.:31:52.

Bosnian-Serb leader Radovan He's accused of genocide and crimes

:31:53.:31:54.

against humanity related to the war At least 100,000 people

:31:55.:31:59.

died in the conflict, before an American-brokered peace

:32:00.:32:06.

deal brought the fighting Police are appealing for information

:32:07.:32:08.

after two women were murdered The attacks took place in different

:32:09.:32:13.

locations yesterday evening. A 34-year-old man has been arrested

:32:14.:32:17.

on suspicion of murder Australia says aircraft debris found

:32:18.:32:22.

off the coast of Mozambique is almost certainly from missing

:32:23.:32:28.

Malaysian Airlines plane MH370. Two parts of a plane were found

:32:29.:32:32.

separately by members of the public and were flown to Australia

:32:33.:32:38.

last month for analysis. Flight MH370 vanished in March 2014

:32:39.:32:40.

with 238 people on board. The bodies of a man and a woman have

:32:41.:32:48.

been found by rescuers searching for two climbers who've been missing

:32:49.:32:53.

on Ben Nevis since February. Rachel Slater and Tim Newton,

:32:54.:32:56.

from Bradford, failed to return from an outing on the mountain

:32:57.:32:59.

and hazardous weather hampered Police Scotland said

:33:00.:33:01.

the families of the two climbers That's a summary of

:33:02.:33:07.

the latest BBC News - The latest sport now

:33:08.:33:11.

with Will Perry. The 11 time grand slam champion

:33:12.:33:23.

Novak Djokovic has apologised to a number of leading female tennis

:33:24.:33:27.

players and spoken to Andy Murray, who criticised the world number one

:33:28.:33:31.

following comments he made on Sunday. Djokovic suggested male

:33:32.:33:34.

players should earn more as they generate more income but he claims

:33:35.:33:37.

he was referring to more play across the board and said, I feel sorry if

:33:38.:33:42.

in any way I heard Mike female colleague tennis players, I have a

:33:43.:33:46.

huge respect for all of them. England's cricketers need to win

:33:47.:33:50.

against Sri Lanka to keep on track for the semifinals at the World T20.

:33:51.:33:54.

They were not good enough, according to Captain Owen Morgan, as they

:33:55.:33:57.

narrowly avoided embarrassment to beat Afghanistan by 15 runs.

:33:58.:34:05.

Wales meet Northern Ireland tonight ahead of the euros in a friendly.

:34:06.:34:10.

Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey are out of the vendor due to injury.

:34:11.:34:14.

A loss of 370,000 council and housing association homes

:34:15.:34:16.

by 2020 is what we're facing if current Government housing policy

:34:17.:34:23.

continues the way it's going - that's what the Chair

:34:24.:34:26.

of the Chartered Institute of Housing has told this programme.

:34:27.:34:30.

David Cameron has said housing is a top priority for the Government

:34:31.:34:44.

- he has promised to build 1 million homes this parliament,

:34:45.:34:47.

carry out massive estate regeneration and, if a Bill

:34:48.:34:49.

going through parliament at the moment becomes law,

:34:50.:34:51.

will be offering housing association tenants in England the chance

:34:52.:34:53.

to buy their own homes under a right-to-buy scheme which only

:34:54.:34:56.

people living in council properties are currently entitled to.

:34:57.:34:58.

But the Government also wants to make some more controversial

:34:59.:35:01.

changes, like charging on or near market rents to people

:35:02.:35:03.

in social housing who earn ?30,000 outside London

:35:04.:35:05.

Our reporter Jim Reed has been taking a look at these changes.

:35:06.:35:19.

It is being billed as the biggest shake-up in housing since the '80s.

:35:20.:35:23.

An ambitious plan to build more so we all pay less.

:35:24.:35:26.

Its critics say it could kill off affordable council housing

:35:27.:35:29.

If what they want is ghettos and to kick out the poor,

:35:30.:35:38.

then, you know, carry on what you are doing.

:35:39.:35:40.

I would love somebody to answer that because I have never known it

:35:41.:35:51.

I knew I would probably have to leave this house

:35:52.:36:08.

because of my landlord dying last year.

:36:09.:36:10.

The shock is being in the situation that I can't find anywhere to live,

:36:11.:36:17.

Tam Avery lives with her teenage son a few hundred meters

:36:18.:36:25.

She's worked all her life then last year she had a fall,

:36:26.:36:30.

Now she's got to move in a few weeks and she is running out of options.

:36:31.:36:35.

I've been looking for it must be now 14 weeks,

:36:36.:36:38.

15 weeks, and privately I can't find anywhere to live and the main reason

:36:39.:36:46.

Nobody wants housing benefit, and the council say there is not

:36:47.:36:57.

enough properties and when there is one there are nearly 100 people

:36:58.:37:00.

There are around 5000 council properties in this part of Kent.

:37:01.:37:09.

There are 2500 people on the waiting list for social housing.

:37:10.:37:13.

At the same time, there's a real shortage of affordable private

:37:14.:37:16.

Most landlords simply refuse to take tenants on housing benefit.

:37:17.:37:20.

I am stuck in the middle of no-man's-land.

:37:21.:37:26.

Where do people go when they can't get a private rental and they can't

:37:27.:37:32.

I would love somebody to answer that because I have never known it

:37:33.:37:39.

If she stays here, she will eventually be evicted and can

:37:40.:37:50.

Then the council may have to put the family

:37:51.:37:54.

The other option is to move back into her parents'

:37:55.:38:00.

I will end up sharing a bedroom with my 16-year-old son.

:38:01.:38:11.

It shouldn't be this way and it shouldn't be my only option.

:38:12.:38:23.

On housing there is one fact everyone agrees with.

:38:24.:38:26.

We are just not building enough to keep up with our growing population.

:38:27.:38:31.

We need more than 200,000 new properties every year.

:38:32.:38:34.

a new housing bill is going through Parliament.

:38:35.:38:47.

The Prime Minister says he wants to turn generation rent

:38:48.:38:49.

He owns his home, I own my home, why won't we let those 1.3 million

:38:50.:38:57.

In the 1980s, Margaret Thatcher gave millions of people living in council

:38:58.:39:04.

houses the right to save up and buy their own home.

:39:05.:39:12.

Now the Government wants to extend that right to the 1.3 million people

:39:13.:39:15.

who live in housing association properties.

:39:16.:39:19.

That is not-for-profit organisations which provide social housing in many

:39:20.:39:21.

I have been living here now for 13 years.

:39:22.:39:29.

All the children play out in the streets and the kids

:39:30.:39:32.

You can see it is quite a shabby area where the shed was.

:39:33.:39:43.

Fiona Daly has spent a decent chunk of her own money doing up a housing

:39:44.:39:47.

authority home to better look after her disabled daughter.

:39:48.:39:53.

Now she sees the chance to own her own place

:39:54.:39:57.

I have actually looked into it myself and I could buy this

:39:58.:40:01.

Then I could resell it for 330,000, so I would have a very good

:40:02.:40:07.

It would be nice not to have the worry when we do retire

:40:08.:40:13.

and we've got this as our security and we don't have to worry

:40:14.:40:17.

about paying rent for the rest of our lives.

:40:18.:40:23.

Tenants will be given a discount up to 103,000 off the market price.

:40:24.:40:27.

20,000 families have already registered an interest.

:40:28.:40:31.

Others worry about the long-term effects of the policy.

:40:32.:40:36.

It is here in cities like Sheffield that it could bite.

:40:37.:40:40.

Tens of thousands of council houses have already been sold off under

:40:41.:40:49.

These will provide social rented homes for round about

:40:50.:40:52.

New social housing is being built to replace them,

:40:53.:40:59.

like this development 15 minutes

:41:00.:41:00.

Some of them are one-bedrooms and we have duplos there.

:41:01.:41:05.

These will be available for ?100 a week, well under the market rate.

:41:06.:41:10.

But the worry is houses like this will not be replaced again

:41:11.:41:12.

These homes behind me here, for example, if we are making them

:41:13.:41:25.

available for the right-to-buy, we will be selling them at a lot

:41:26.:41:28.

less than the homes cost us to build.

:41:29.:41:30.

In particular a lot less than it would cost us to replace.

:41:31.:41:33.

Our average value of a home that we will be selling

:41:34.:41:35.

To replace them costs on average ?120,000.

:41:36.:41:39.

We don't want to be seeing the stock that we are managing decline.

:41:40.:41:44.

It is not what the region needs, it is not what the economy needs.

:41:45.:41:53.

We want to be able to replace one-for-one.

:41:54.:41:55.

Much easier to do that if you are in London

:41:56.:41:57.

That is because house prices are so much higher in the South,

:41:58.:42:01.

so selling off a property there means there should be more

:42:02.:42:04.

than enough money to build another one.

:42:05.:42:06.

That might not be the case in cities like Sheffield.

:42:07.:42:08.

The Government has said housing associations will be compensated

:42:09.:42:11.

and can opt out, but many are not convinced.

:42:12.:42:16.

People who want to rent can't rent at affordable rates.

:42:17.:42:21.

People who want to buy can't buy at affordable levels.

:42:22.:42:24.

A year ago Teri Alafat was one of the most senior civil servants

:42:25.:42:27.

in the Government's housing department.

:42:28.:42:31.

Now she runs the Chartered Institute of Housing, an independent body.

:42:32.:42:35.

Our problem with the bill now is that it is very focused

:42:36.:42:38.

on delivering the supply that we need through home ownership.

:42:39.:42:41.

We definitely think that we need more social housing and the reason

:42:42.:42:48.

for that is that if you look across the developed world,

:42:49.:42:52.

if you look at it historically, there is always about 20-25%

:42:53.:42:54.

of the population who cannot afford to own their own home or to rent

:42:55.:42:58.

What are we going to do about those groups of people

:42:59.:43:06.

going into the future if we allow social housing

:43:07.:43:08.

The Chartered Institute now thinks we could see the loss of another

:43:09.:43:19.

370,000 low-cost social homes in the next four years.

:43:20.:43:27.

That is almost one in ten properties, or a city

:43:28.:43:30.

The Government disputes those figures and says it has been

:43:31.:43:33.

building more council houses than the previous

:43:34.:43:35.

But ministers also want to make better use of the homes we have got

:43:36.:43:41.

and that has led to the most controversial part of

:43:42.:43:43.

Under pay-to-stay, households earning more than ?30,000 a year

:43:44.:43:51.

will have to start paying more to rent their council house.

:43:52.:43:54.

The details have yet to be worked out but there will be a sliding

:43:55.:43:57.

scale with higher earners paying the full market rate.

:43:58.:44:04.

As you go up, you have the living room, where we watch telly and do

:44:05.:44:15.

And over here, you will find the kitchen.

:44:16.:44:29.

Salina came to this country from Portugal when she was 15.

:44:30.:44:31.

She now works as a language teacher in an inner-city school in North

:44:32.:44:34.

I would prefer not to show you upstairs because it is like

:44:35.:44:38.

She and her husband bring home more than ?40,000 between them.

:44:39.:44:42.

At the moment she pays ?160 per week rent for her two-bed flat

:44:43.:44:45.

From next year she could be paying much more.

:44:46.:44:48.

In a place like Islington it could be, for my flat,

:44:49.:44:53.

It is impossible for somebody on ?40,000 to pay.

:44:54.:45:04.

My daughter is 12 and she is in the local school at EGA and I am

:45:05.:45:08.

going to have to tell her we might have to move out of London

:45:09.:45:11.

If what they want is ghettos and to kick out the poor,

:45:12.:45:15.

then, you know, carry on what you are doing.

:45:16.:45:18.

But it is not right, it is just not right.

:45:19.:45:21.

What do you say to people who might look at your situation and think,

:45:22.:45:25.

"You earn a decent wage, your husband earns a decent wage,

:45:26.:45:27.

we can't live in a society where social housing

:45:28.:45:31.

I have thought about this very carefully.

:45:32.:45:38.

When I got social housing, it was when I needed it.

:45:39.:45:41.

I know there are families who need it now.

:45:42.:45:44.

But the way the Government is looking at it, calling us rich

:45:45.:45:51.

tenants, I cannot be considered a rich tenant when I can't

:45:52.:45:53.

What is wrong is that market rent is so out of control.

:45:54.:45:57.

Yes, I accept that London has become very expensive but at some point

:45:58.:46:04.

Who is going to live in central London?

:46:05.:46:13.

The sleek glass skyscrapers going up just a few hundred metres away

:46:14.:46:19.

would suggest those customers are out there somewhere.

:46:20.:46:23.

To some this is a sign of progress and growth,

:46:24.:46:25.

to others a signal that it is time to move on, whether of course

:46:26.:46:28.

You can watch and share that film online through our programme page.

:46:29.:46:37.

Later at 10:15 we'll be hearing from Housing Minister Brandon Lewis

:46:38.:46:49.

and speaking with a group of people affected by these housing changes.

:46:50.:46:52.

If you're live in a housing association house, do you welcome

:46:53.:46:54.

Are you going to be affected by the new pay to stay rules?

:46:55.:46:59.

Still to come, the latest from Brussels as the lawyers for the

:47:00.:47:20.

Paris attacks suspect, Salah Abdeslam says he won't fight

:47:21.:47:23.

extradition from Belgium to France. Former Bosnian Serb leader

:47:24.:47:27.

Radovan Karadzic, the man accused of war crimes including the worst

:47:28.:47:30.

mass killing on European soil since World War II, will find out

:47:31.:47:32.

this lunchtime his fate at the International

:47:33.:47:35.

Tribunal in The Hague. First indicted for war crimes

:47:36.:47:39.

by the United Nations 21 years ago, he faces 11 charges of genocide,

:47:40.:47:44.

crimes against humanity and breaches of the Geneva Convention

:47:45.:47:49.

for his role in the Bosnian War, including the Srebrenica massacre

:47:50.:47:54.

in 1995 where Bosnian Serb forces killed more than 8,000

:47:55.:47:59.

Bosnian Muslims who were meant to be During his five year trial

:48:00.:48:02.

where he defended himself, Mr Karadzic said he has a clear

:48:03.:48:08.

conscience and there was 'no shred The civil war in

:48:09.:48:12.

Bosnia was horrific. The world watched in horror

:48:13.:48:21.

in the way the world is watching the civil war in

:48:22.:48:25.

Syria now in horror. The charges against Karadzic

:48:26.:48:27.

by the International War Crimes Tribunal, well, there are 11

:48:28.:48:31.

counts, specifically that he was the political

:48:32.:48:35.

mastermind behind the massacre That was the worst massacre

:48:36.:48:38.

in Europe since the Second World Thousands of unarmed Muslim men

:48:39.:48:51.

and boys in Bosnia were massacred. He is also accused of masterminding

:48:52.:49:03.

ethnic cleansing, when hundreds of thousand of people were just

:49:04.:49:06.

driven from their homes in Bosnia. And also the siege of Sarajevo,

:49:07.:49:10.

the capital of Bosnia. There was sniper fire,

:49:11.:49:12.

there was mortar fire, Well, the wheels of justice

:49:13.:49:18.

on Karadzic have moved really The hearing against him

:49:19.:49:23.

began way back in 2008 It was very bizarre when they did

:49:24.:49:29.

find him because he was hiding He had grown a huge,

:49:30.:49:39.

bushy beard, he had big, thick-rimmed spectacles,

:49:40.:49:47.

and he was a New Age healer with an assumed name,

:49:48.:49:49.

a false identity. He was carrying out lectures

:49:50.:49:53.

in alternative medicine. He even had a website

:49:54.:49:56.

offering advice to people I did actually catch up with him

:49:57.:50:01.

just before he went on the run. And are you guilty

:50:02.:50:06.

of war crimes? I am President and I make my

:50:07.:50:08.

decisions and give my orders that are all known in public and we have

:50:09.:50:14.

never issued any wrong order. I think campaigners

:50:15.:50:20.

for international justice think it is really important to put

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on trial people who are accused of war crimes in however

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many years it takes. And it has taken a number

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of years with Karadzic, both to capture him

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and put him on trial. They would say, the International

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War Crimes Tribunal, that partly it is a deterrent

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to stop other despots and dictators in the future carrying out terrible

:50:50.:50:52.

atrocities and war Other people will say actually quite

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a lot of people have been prosecuted and convicted at the war

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crimes tribunal and there are still terrible atrocities going

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on even now in places like Syria. Bob Donia gave evidence

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during the trial as an expert witness, and was cross-examined

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by Radovan Karadzic himself. Let's talk to Bob now. How would you

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describe describe Radovan car joining? As a cross-examiner, he was

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methodical, Aggressive and determined to get the answers he

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wanted from me and other witnesses for that matter. I walked away

:51:44.:51:48.

feeling that his most distinguishing trait was that he had enormous

:51:49.:51:55.

powers of persuasion and a wide repertoire of strategies he'd use to

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persuade people. The other thing that characterised him was a great

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ability to change moods and approaches seamlessly depending on

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what the situation called for. He could be calm and even charming and

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cooperative and inviting and then 30 second on the later he would show a

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burst of anger if an effort to get what he wanted from me, the

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respondent. What specifically were you giving evidence about, Mr Donia?

:52:32.:52:37.

I was an historical expert witness, so my task was to provide the judges

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with a background of the events prior to and around the time of the

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deeds alleged in the indictment. I did that and then learnt that in the

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cross-examination, that Karadzic relied on the perpetual persecution

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of the Serb people and of himself. So much of our exchanges centred on

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the history of the Serb people and of Bosnia in the several years prior

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to the time the war broke out. He was tried for leading the

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slaughter of thousands of Bosnia Muslims and Croats. What with was

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his defence? Well, he first of all is, was and remains in deep Dee Nile

:53:37.:53:44.

about the -- denial about the deeds that he touched off or set in

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motion. He totally denied responsibility for anything. The

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other part of his defence was that the Serb people did nothing wrong.

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There were crimes committed but they were committed by elements that were

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rogue elements or paramilitaries which were not legitimately a part

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of the Serb people. How significant could today's

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judgment be and what are you expecting? I think it's going to be

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a landmark event. Not only in the history of the trials of alleged war

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criminals at The Hague, but also in the history of the tribunal which

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has been plagued for the last several years with rather

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inconsistent judgments and certain amounts of internal disagreement

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among the judges. I think it's a very important decision, both to

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secure the legacy of the tribunal and to show that these crimes can't

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be committed with impunity any more. I think it's fair to expect that he

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will be convicted on at least some of the charges, apart from genocide,

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that is the crimes against humanity and violation of the laws in customs

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of war. The yen side charges, it's very difficult to predict or foresee

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what the judges will do -- the genocide charges. The charges

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pertaining to Srebrenica have been litigated before in other cases and

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other persons have been found guilty of actually committing genocide or

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aiding and abetting genocide. So there's certainly reason to believe

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that Karadzic will also be convicted on that count. Sorry, do finish your

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sentence. On the other hand, the charge of genocide in 1992 is going

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to be a very difficult one for the prosecutors to prevail on. That has

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also been litigated on before but without success in some other cases.

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Thank you very much for your time today, Bob Donia, who gave evidence

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at the trial of Radovan Karadzic. Now let's talk with Guy Delauney

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in Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia, for us this morning where

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the verdict will be shown Guy, firstly is it still the plan to

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have the verdict live this lunch time? We are not having a screen

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here, the weather put paid to that, but people will be keenly following

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events. I've been speaking to all sorts of people about what they are

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going to do. You can see this green monument, a monument to the children

:56:56.:56:58.

killed during the siege of Sarajevo. There were more than 500 names

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inscribed on that monument. In fact, an estimated 1600 children were

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killed during the siege of Sarajevo and that's one of the key charges

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against Radovan Karadzic that he knowingly ordered those under his

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command to shell and snipe civilians in Sarajevo during the four-year

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siege of this city. Down there yesterday, I spoke to a man who'd

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lost his 13-year-old son to a hand grenade attack in 1992. He described

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Radovan Karadzic as the worst man in the Balkans and said he and other

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parents who'd lost children would be planning to waffle together today in

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an association that they have. They would be watching the verdict today

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very keenly -- planning to watch together. He said he could never

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forgive what had happened but wanted Bosnia to move on. Thank you very

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much. Still to come, Adam Johnson will be sentenced this morning after

:57:55.:57:58.

being found guilty of sexual activity with a 15-year-old

:57:59.:58:02.

schoolgirl. The NSPCC are calling for the Football Association to do

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more to protect children. We'll talk to them in the next hour. Time for

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the latest weather now with Carol. Good morning. This weekend we have

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got a bit of everything. Stronger winds, spells of rain and also some

:58:17.:58:20.

sunshine. We have started off on a dry and bright note across central

:58:21.:58:24.

and eastern areas. Rain and gusty winds already in the north and west

:58:25.:58:27.

will continue to push south through the course of the day, eventually

:58:28.:58:32.

getting into the far south-east and east later. Brighter skies, sunshine

:58:33.:58:37.

and showers will be the case this afternoon across Northern Ireland.

:58:38.:58:40.

Temperatures roughly where they should be at this stage in navrmt

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for Scotland, a similar story -- for stage in March. Sunny spells and

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showers in Scotland. The showers continuing behind the band of rain

:58:54.:59:02.

down towards the Peak District. Parts of Kent staying dry until

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later, but the rain is coming your way. Across the south, we are back

:59:07.:59:11.

under that rain and, despite the temperatures, it will feel chillier

:59:12.:59:15.

if you are stuck under it. The same in Wales, the rain becomes ensconced

:59:16.:59:20.

into the afternoon and early part of the the evening. Through the

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overnight period, fronts bringing this rain will continue to edge off

:59:24.:59:30.

into the near continent. Just the back edge of the rain clinging on.

:59:31.:59:35.

The temperatures will drop tomorrow. Where the cloud breaks in the north,

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we could see pockets of frost. Then we lose the rain, which clears off

:59:39.:59:43.

to the near continent completely. High pressure leaving us with a

:59:44.:59:47.

settled day and lengthy sunny spells. The wind will strengthen,

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the cloud will build and that's ahead of the next weather front

:59:52.:59:54.

coming our way. That front during the course of Saturday will be

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moving from the west to the east, again accompanied by windy

:59:59.:00:00.

conditions and we'll be looking at coastal gales as well. By the time

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we get properties, and when there is one,

:00:03.:01:22.

there were nearly 100 people going for it.

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All that to come, but first Annita is in the BBC Newsroom

:01:26.:01:28.

for us with the latest on fast-developing events in

:01:29.:01:30.

Police in Brussels are continuing their search for a suspect,

:01:31.:01:37.

pictured wearing a white jacket on CCTV footage at the airport

:01:38.:01:40.

shortly before the attacks took on Tuesday.

:01:41.:01:42.

It's thought he escaped after his two accomplices

:01:43.:01:44.

31 people have been confirmed dead with hundreds more injured,

:01:45.:01:49.

Salah Abdeslam - one of the suspects in last year's Paris terror attacks-

:01:50.:01:57.

will not fight extradition from Belgium.

:01:58.:02:03.

He was arrested and wounded in a police raid on Friday

:02:04.:02:05.

His lawyer said that he wants to return to France to explain

:02:06.:02:09.

TRANSLATION: Salah Abdeslam have asked to be extradited to France,

:02:10.:02:22.

the process will take approximately two weeks. On March 31 he will

:02:23.:02:27.

appear in court to execute the European extradition warrant, we

:02:28.:02:30.

need 15 days to finish the process but there will be no appeal or

:02:31.:02:34.

challenge, we will implement his wish and this is a good thing.

:02:35.:02:36.

Here, the Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has said the terror

:02:37.:02:39.

threat shows this isn't the time to be leaving the European Union.

:02:40.:02:42.

He was speaking after a former head of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove,

:02:43.:02:44.

argued that a British exit could lead to important security

:02:45.:02:47.

gains for the UK, including greater control over immigration

:02:48.:02:49.

A UN war crimes tribunal is to return its verdict today

:02:50.:02:59.

in the case of the former Bosnian-Serb leader Radovan

:03:00.:03:01.

He's accused of genocide and crimes against humanity related to the war

:03:02.:03:05.

At least 100,000 people died in the conflict,

:03:06.:03:10.

before an American-brokered peace deal brought the fighting

:03:11.:03:12.

Adam Johnson, the ex-Sunderland football player, has arrived at

:03:13.:03:23.

court and is due to be sentenced after he was found guilty of one

:03:24.:03:27.

count of six-year-old activity with a 15-year-old schoolgirl. Johnson

:03:28.:03:31.

was told by a judge he faced a substantial prison sentence after he

:03:32.:03:34.

was found guilty of one offence of six-year-old activity with a child

:03:35.:03:39.

by a jury earlier this month. The winger had already admitted another

:03:40.:03:42.

count of the same offence and also grooming the teenager.

:03:43.:03:44.

Police are appealing for information after two women were murdered

:03:45.:03:47.

The attacks took place in different locations yesterday evening.

:03:48.:03:50.

A 34-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder

:03:51.:03:54.

Australia says aircraft debris found off the coast of Mozambique

:03:55.:04:00.

is almost certainly from missing Malaysian Airlines plane MH370.

:04:01.:04:06.

Two parts of a plane were found separately by members of the public

:04:07.:04:10.

and were flown to Australia last month for analysis.

:04:11.:04:13.

Flight MH370 vanished in March 2014 with 238 people on board.

:04:14.:04:24.

The bodies of a man and a woman have been found by rescuers searching

:04:25.:04:27.

for two climbers who've been missing on Ben Nevis since February.

:04:28.:04:31.

Rachel Slater and Tim Newton, from Bradford, failed to return

:04:32.:04:35.

from an outing on the mountain and hazardous weather hampered

:04:36.:04:37.

Police Scotland said the families of the two climbers

:04:38.:04:43.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, Victoria -

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:04:56.:05:00.

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:05:01.:05:04.

after the sport. Wales and Northern Ireland meet

:05:05.:05:07.

for the first time in 12 years tonight for a friendly in Cardiff

:05:08.:05:10.

as both gear up for a long awaited appearance at a major tournament

:05:11.:05:13.

at the Euros this summer. Wales have plenty of injuries

:05:14.:05:15.

with key players Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey missing

:05:16.:05:18.

out this evening. We can go live to the Cardiff City

:05:19.:05:20.

Stadium and say good morning Good morning. Tonight is a chance

:05:21.:05:34.

for two history making teams to test each other, both having waited

:05:35.:05:38.

decades the tournament football. For Wales, 58 years of pain and waiting,

:05:39.:05:42.

just two months to go now. Getting to that tournament was no small

:05:43.:05:48.

measure down to the talents of Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey, both

:05:49.:05:51.

missing tonight, but Chris Coleman said it is an opportunity to show

:05:52.:05:55.

they are more than a one or two man team, that they have other key

:05:56.:05:59.

players who have got them over the line, so expect a slightly different

:06:00.:06:04.

line-up, maybe younger talent coming through, possibly some young players

:06:05.:06:07.

getting their chance to stake a claim for a place in that squad that

:06:08.:06:11.

will fly to France in June. According to Chris Coleman, it might

:06:12.:06:21.

be a friendly but it will be feisty, he wants his team to show they have

:06:22.:06:24.

a bit of metal without the big-name players, he says they should take

:06:25.:06:26.

pride in every appearance they make for Wales.

:06:27.:06:28.

I'm looking forward to it, two important games for us, as it always

:06:29.:06:31.

is. I know everybody says two friendly games, but I have never

:06:32.:06:36.

gone into a game playing for Wales thinking that it didn't matter,

:06:37.:06:39.

neither do the players. So it is a big one for us. What

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about their opponents, Northern Ireland? They have had just 30 year

:06:47.:06:51.

wait, short by comparison for major tournament football, and they go

:06:52.:06:55.

into it in very, very good form, unbeaten in eight games and so

:06:56.:06:59.

Michael O'Neill said to his players they need to carry on that momentum

:07:00.:07:03.

if they are going to make any sort of mark when they reach France in

:07:04.:07:10.

June. Then might be disappointed that there is no Gareth Bale or

:07:11.:07:14.

Aaron Ramsey this evening to test their mettle because their opponents

:07:15.:07:20.

this evening will be pretty tough, but they said they will concentrate

:07:21.:07:25.

tonight despite the line-up, because they need to make an expression.

:07:26.:07:29.

-- an impression. We are going to play against brilliant individual

:07:30.:07:34.

players, which Arab Baylis, and Aaron Ramsey as well, which is in

:07:35.:07:39.

notice respect to the rest of the squad, who are all great

:07:40.:07:43.

international players. It would have been good for our preparation to

:07:44.:07:46.

have to deal with that, but equally the fact they are not playing sets

:07:47.:07:52.

us a different challenge. So we are told tonight it will be

:07:53.:07:56.

more feisty than friendly, lots of players battling to prove a point

:07:57.:08:00.

that they are worthy of a place when the European Championships, round in

:08:01.:08:01.

June. Scotland are also in action tonight,

:08:02.:08:04.

they're playing a friendly That's all the sport

:08:05.:08:07.

for now Victoria. I'll have the latest headlines

:08:08.:08:10.

for you at 10.30pm. Police in Brussels investigating

:08:11.:08:13.

the airport and metro bombings which killed at least 31 people

:08:14.:08:22.

are hunting for a suspect, pictured wearing a white jacket

:08:23.:08:24.

on CCTV footage at the airport shortly before the attacks took

:08:25.:08:27.

place. It's thought he escaped

:08:28.:08:28.

after his two accomplices Unconfirmed reports suggest one

:08:29.:08:31.

of the suicide bombers was Najim Laachraoui,

:08:32.:08:36.

believed to have been involved in the planning of

:08:37.:08:38.

the Paris atrocities. Some more names and nationalities

:08:39.:08:41.

of the victims have though only a handful have been

:08:42.:08:43.

formally identified, as the city enters a second day

:08:44.:08:49.

of national mourning. A focal point for tributes

:08:50.:08:52.

is still the Place de la Bourse where our reporter Ben Brown

:08:53.:08:55.

is for us this morning What is the latest from their? I

:08:56.:09:09.

will bring you the latest we have coming in at that Salah Abdeslam,

:09:10.:09:12.

the 20 the Gibraltan was arrested last Friday, a key suspect who has

:09:13.:09:17.

been here in Brussels but who was wanted after the Paras attacks --

:09:18.:09:21.

the 26-year-old man. He was thought to have escaped after the Paras

:09:22.:09:25.

attacks from France into Belgian comedy was finally arrested after

:09:26.:09:28.

four months on the run last Friday, lots of links between him and the

:09:29.:09:32.

Paras attack of and also the Brussels

:09:33.:09:45.

attackers here, it is thought after he was arrested the other attackers

:09:46.:09:48.

may have brought forward the bombings that we saw at the airport

:09:49.:09:51.

and at the Metro. He has now said through his lawyer he does not want

:09:52.:09:54.

to be extradited to France, he was originally fighting extradition, he

:09:55.:09:56.

now says he wants to go to France as quickly as possible, he says, in

:09:57.:09:59.

order to explain himself in front, and he has said he did not know

:10:00.:10:01.

anything about the attacks that were carried out here in Brussels. The

:10:02.:10:04.

prosecution will probably take that with a pinch of salt and say that he

:10:05.:10:07.

would say that, wouldn't he, but that is the latest on Salah

:10:08.:10:09.

Abdeslam. The latest here, we're in customer

:10:10.:10:13.

balls, which has become a focal point for the grief and mourning

:10:14.:10:19.

here and you can see a makeshift shrine -- Place de la Bourse. People

:10:20.:10:26.

have been coming here to lay flowers, light candles. I will show

:10:27.:10:31.

you a bit more, there is another bigger shrine over here. This is

:10:32.:10:34.

where, through the day, people come and they want to express their

:10:35.:10:40.

sadness and their grief, and their feelings of horror, really, at what

:10:41.:10:44.

has happened here in this city. You can see some of the messages that

:10:45.:10:51.

have been laid out, peace, messages like, I am Brussels, an echo of eye

:10:52.:10:56.

and Paris and I and Charlie, after the attacks that we saw in Paris --

:10:57.:11:05.

I am Paris, I am Charlie. We can talk to Rhiannon, a student

:11:06.:11:09.

from Aberystwyth, you are living here in Belgium at the moment? Why

:11:10.:11:13.

have you come here to plaster the borders? -- Plas de la Bella was.

:11:14.:11:25.

Hearing the news, filling the secluded, it felt surreal and I came

:11:26.:11:28.

a duty to come here and pay my respects. Being here in Belgium, do

:11:29.:11:32.

you feel that there could be more attacks? I certainly think it is a

:11:33.:11:38.

possibility, but it is hard to tell, it could happen anywhere, so it is

:11:39.:11:42.

unlikely to happen in the same place twice, so really it is impossible to

:11:43.:11:47.

know. A lot of people were predicting there could be attacks in

:11:48.:11:50.

Brussels after the Paras attacks, were you almost expecting something

:11:51.:11:55.

like this to happen? Definitely, we were expecting something in November

:11:56.:11:58.

but nothing happens when you expect it to, so it has been over our heads

:11:59.:12:06.

this entire time. I just hope that the worst is over. What are your

:12:07.:12:12.

feelings after these attacks? You wanted to come here to pay your

:12:13.:12:15.

respects to the dead and remember the dead? Yes, I think it is so

:12:16.:12:23.

horrific, I feel so upset by it and so shocked, really. You can see

:12:24.:12:26.

these things on the news but you never expected to happen so close to

:12:27.:12:31.

you, and so I certainly felt a duty to come here. But you are still

:12:32.:12:36.

going to stay living in Belgium for the time being, you don't want to go

:12:37.:12:41.

back to Britain for now? I don't think it is necessary to change a

:12:42.:12:45.

big thing because of this, because then you have let them win. I want

:12:46.:12:50.

to finish my university course here, and then move home. Good to talk to

:12:51.:12:58.

you, Rhiannon, thank you so much. Let me just tell you about the

:12:59.:13:01.

latest we have on the casualty figures from the health ministry

:13:02.:13:06.

here, 31 dead is the death toll, they are saying 300 were injured in

:13:07.:13:10.

the bombings at the airport and the Metro, a huge number of casualties

:13:11.:13:14.

taken to hospitals, a lot of them suffering from burns and shrapnel

:13:15.:13:18.

injuries, too. We hear from the health ministry that they are almost

:13:19.:13:22.

injuries that you would see on a battlefield,

:13:23.:13:37.

some 60 of the injured are in intensive care, some are in a coma,

:13:38.:13:41.

they have not been identified. At the moment, the authorities having

:13:42.:13:43.

trouble identifying all of the casualties, which is making things

:13:44.:13:46.

even harder for the relatives of loved ones who are missing. That is

:13:47.:13:47.

the latest from Brussels. Here, a former head of MI6,

:13:48.:13:53.

Sir Richard Dearlove, has questioned claims that leaving

:13:54.:13:55.

the EU would compromise security. But the Defence Secretary,

:13:56.:13:57.

Michael Fallon, said the recent terror attacks showed the need

:13:58.:14:00.

for more cooperation with the EU. Live to Westminster and our

:14:01.:14:03.

political guru Norman Smith. Fill us in.

:14:04.:14:06.

It is interesting, the questions about the Belgian security forces,

:14:07.:14:08.

the calibre and whether they were fully on top of the situation has

:14:09.:14:11.

really sparked a debate here about whether we were safer in other

:14:12.:14:18.

outside of the European Union. People like Theresa May, David

:14:19.:14:28.

Cameron, by and large saying that we are safer in, but this morning we

:14:29.:14:34.

had the former head of MI6, one of our top former spooks, man called

:14:35.:14:37.

Sir Richard Dearlove, basically saying, no, that is wrong. Let me

:14:38.:14:42.

give you the exact quote from Sir Richard Dearlove. He said: The cost

:14:43.:14:47.

to Britain would be low in security terms from leaving the EU.

:14:48.:14:53.

What is interesting about his argument, he is not basing it just

:14:54.:14:58.

around arguments of what sort of controls we have over our borders if

:14:59.:15:02.

we remain in the EU, he is questioning basically whether EU

:15:03.:15:08.

security bodies are good enough, because he says organisations like

:15:09.:15:15.

Europol, the European law-enforcement agency, is of little

:15:16.:15:19.

consequence. He says that because you have got 28 different countries

:15:20.:15:25.

all sitting around a table... Excuse me, we have got a fire alarm going

:15:26.:15:29.

on here, probably better if you come back to me in a bit because in my

:15:30.:15:33.

experience this can go on for some time and is quite annoying and quite

:15:34.:15:36.

loud, so we probably should just leave this for the time being, I

:15:37.:15:38.

think. Yesterday, John Reid told us he

:15:39.:15:50.

thought a further terrorist attack in Britain was now inevitable.

:15:51.:15:57.

Unfortunately, we can't guarantee, nor can any Government, that this

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sort of thing won't happen. Politicians ought to be honest with

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the British people and tell them, this will happen, this will happen,

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and it will happen here because the terrorists only have to get through

:16:11.:16:16.

once so we can quote the statistics and how many plots have been foiled,

:16:17.:16:21.

but the terrorists will get through. So you are expecting another attack,

:16:22.:16:25.

another terrorist attack in this country at some point in the future?

:16:26.:16:32.

Yes, yes I am. I don't think that's a secret because, as you know, we

:16:33.:16:38.

are at the second highest level of threat which is severe which means a

:16:39.:16:42.

terrorist attack is likely. And Britain has been at that threat

:16:43.:16:45.

level for some time? For some time. When I was Home Secretary, it was

:16:46.:16:50.

moved up to critical which means not only is an attack likely but we have

:16:51.:16:55.

information that it's imminent. It's different in the UK from, for

:16:56.:17:00.

instance, Belgium and I think you were raising some difficult issues

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in your previous interview. With the ambassador? Yes. At a time like

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this, our first thought is for the victims and condolences and

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solidarity with the nations and the individuals who've been affected.

:17:14.:17:21.

But, you know, you have to have a delicate and difficult balance with

:17:22.:17:25.

the issues raised. Belgium's historically had a degree of

:17:26.:17:31.

political instability. I think it's recognised that their Intelligence

:17:32.:17:34.

Services aren't as integrated in working together as perhaps ours are

:17:35.:17:42.

now. We use the police in a relationship with the Intelligence

:17:43.:17:44.

Services because, on the ground in the communities, you can pick up

:17:45.:17:50.

some pretty vital information and I think we are quite well resourced.

:17:51.:17:54.

John Reid talking to us yesterday. Let's look at what is being done to

:17:55.:17:57.

prevent terror attacks from happening in the UK. Frank Armstrong

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is former assistant commissioner of the City of London police who looked

:18:04.:18:07.

after Tony Blair when he was Prime Minister and the aviation security

:18:08.:18:11.

expert Matthew Finn is in our Westminster studio. Frank, do you

:18:12.:18:14.

agree with John Reid? I think John Reid makes a very good point. It's

:18:15.:18:20.

possible, Victoria. You have to look at the facts. In the last three

:18:21.:18:26.

years, there has been a 57% increase in arrests related to terrorism.

:18:27.:18:29.

There are a number of outstanding trials which still have to come to

:18:30.:18:34.

court. There were convictions yesterday, potential drive-by

:18:35.:18:38.

shooting. Looking at all the facts, Brussels, Paris, a Eurostar trip

:18:39.:18:42.

away from London, I think, you know, we do need to be concerned, we do

:18:43.:18:46.

need to be vigilant. The threat level severe and has been for some

:18:47.:18:51.

time as I said to John Reid yesterday but it's not been raised

:18:52.:18:56.

to the highest level which means an attack is imminent, that's surely

:18:57.:19:00.

significant? There will have been discussions. JTAC would look at the

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whole picture and make recommendations. I'm sure it's been

:19:08.:19:12.

closely scrutinised. We have thwarted seven attempts in the last

:19:13.:19:16.

12 months. I'm sure the Security Services and the police are doing

:19:17.:19:20.

everything they can to make sure that the public are safe. Mr Finn

:19:21.:19:26.

you have said one-size-fits-all doesn't fit with the security in

:19:27.:19:31.

this country, what do you mean? What's required in security context

:19:32.:19:35.

is to make sure you are managing risk, a good security framework is

:19:36.:19:38.

about managing the risks as you understand them in that specific

:19:39.:19:42.

context. So what I mean by that is, what works in one airport or one

:19:43.:19:46.

part of the world would need to be adapted in a different part of the

:19:47.:19:50.

world or the airport. So if we are always applying the same tools and

:19:51.:19:54.

techniques and procedures to every single person going through

:19:55.:19:57.

security, we are missing the opportunity to actually look at the

:19:58.:20:02.

potential risks the individual travellers may pose. What we are

:20:03.:20:07.

seeing in the US for example, is a programme called TSA Pre--check.

:20:08.:20:10.

There are a lot of people in the industry looking at this. This is a

:20:11.:20:17.

way of working with data to see for example whether a person's

:20:18.:20:21.

travelling on a one-way destination ticket which may be of concern. That

:20:22.:20:26.

would potentially reveal something about that person's behaviour which

:20:27.:20:30.

would give you cause to be vigilant, screen them in a different way and

:20:31.:20:41.

focus your attention on that person. So would you check that ticket,

:20:42.:20:45.

whether it was one way or return or whatever when the passenger arrives

:20:46.:20:47.

or would you have done it before they get to the terminal? There is

:20:48.:20:51.

an interesting debate in Brussels at the moment which is nearly coming to

:20:52.:20:55.

a close and that's around a piece of data called passenger name record

:20:56.:21:01.

data or PNR. That's something the Governments across the 28 member

:21:02.:21:04.

states of the European Union are looking to use in their response to

:21:05.:21:09.

combat serious organised crime and Counter-Terrorism. So in an

:21:10.:21:15.

environment like JTAC or indeed the UK's national borders targeting

:21:16.:21:19.

centre, you could be using that data before anyone gets anywhere near the

:21:20.:21:22.

airport to see what patterns may emerge. What if they've not bought a

:21:23.:21:28.

ticket, what if they are not on a passenger list, what if, as far as

:21:29.:21:31.

we know the suicide bombers that turned up in Brussels on Tuesday may

:21:32.:21:35.

have turned up that morning without buying anything in advance, they are

:21:36.:21:39.

going to blow themselves up? That is an excellent point and that's where

:21:40.:21:43.

the distinction needs to be made because an airport is essentially

:21:44.:21:50.

divided into two parts, there's the regulated area, then the other

:21:51.:21:55.

air-side area. What we saw in Brussels, the tragedy that unfolded

:21:56.:21:59.

there was the exploitation of the soft target, the vulnerable side,

:22:00.:22:04.

the public space. So what we need to do as an industry together with

:22:05.:22:08.

Government, and this is a global issue, not just about Belgium or

:22:09.:22:13.

about Brussels, is to look holtistically at how we can secure

:22:14.:22:18.

the entire airport campus by working together using different tools,

:22:19.:22:22.

techniques, data et cetera because you are right, someone could be in

:22:23.:22:26.

that departures hall that has no business being there, they are not

:22:27.:22:29.

travelling, they are not there to say goodbye to a fellow passenger

:22:30.:22:33.

that might be leaving that day. Frank Armstrong, as a former

:22:34.:22:36.

assistant Commissioner of The City of London police, you ordered police

:22:37.:22:40.

on to the streets of the city after 9/11 and a lot of people said, that

:22:41.:22:46.

made them feel very uneasy, rather than reassuring them? What was

:22:47.:22:50.

interesting, we put additional firearms officers out on the City

:22:51.:22:55.

and because people weren't used to it, they were concerned. Since then,

:22:56.:22:59.

we have had 7/7, we have seen attacks across the globe, people are

:23:00.:23:04.

more used to seeing police officers with firearms, so it's very much

:23:05.:23:08.

about reassurance and a preventative measure. People are getting used to

:23:09.:23:12.

it and, as you see in Brussels, the Army are deployed there. At some

:23:13.:23:17.

stage, the Army could be deployed here, worst case scenario. Again,

:23:18.:23:21.

would that be for reassurance purposes? We have limited resources.

:23:22.:23:25.

If there was a state of emergency, we've got to use all the resources

:23:26.:23:30.

possible and the Army would be a last resort but in the back of our

:23:31.:23:33.

minds, we need to know they are there to assist. It's basically to

:23:34.:23:36.

keep the country safe. Thank you both very much.

:23:37.:23:44.

Still to come: Adam Johnson is running into court there this

:23:45.:23:51.

morning ahead of his sentencing for sexual activity with a 15-year-old

:23:52.:23:55.

schoolgirl. The NSPCC call on the Football Association to do more to

:23:56.:24:03.

protect children. Next, Boko Haram, the militant group based in Nigeria

:24:04.:24:08.

who kidnapped almost 300 schoolgirls two years ago. It was also in 2014

:24:09.:24:14.

that the extremists started to use female suicide bombers. As the

:24:15.:24:18.

insurgency has been pushed out of the region's towns and villages,

:24:19.:24:23.

events have taken a more sinister turn. Girls as young as 12 are being

:24:24.:24:28.

strapped with explosives and sent to blow themselves up in busy

:24:29.:24:32.

communities. In an exclusive interview for BBC Africa, Anne Soy

:24:33.:24:37.

has spoken to a teenager who risked her life to escape after being told

:24:38.:24:42.

she'd been chosen for the mission. Some details including her name and

:24:43.:24:45.

voice have been changed to protect her identity.

:24:46.:24:55.

This is Hawa, she's about 17. She married into Boko Haram and moved

:24:56.:25:01.

into one of the camps with her fighter husband. Today, she isn't

:25:02.:25:07.

meant to be alive. She's supposed to be a human bomb.

:25:08.:25:15.

Two of her friends did just that, killing themselves and 58 others,

:25:16.:25:20.

mostly women and children. Just 24 hours before she was due to

:25:21.:25:28.

detonate, she's kept the clutches of the militants and has decided to

:25:29.:25:34.

tell us her story -- she escaped the clutches of the militants. We have

:25:35.:25:42.

agreed to keep her identity secret. My first husband took me to the Boko

:25:43.:25:46.

Haram camp. He said they would take me to the bush and move all the evil

:25:47.:25:52.

spirits from my body. I knew they were Boko Haram but followed them

:25:53.:25:56.

willingly. I said, if you help me remove the sickness, I will follow

:25:57.:26:04.

you. It wasn't a pleasant life. When they came back, they would gather us

:26:05.:26:07.

and tell us about the attacks and they would ask us to study what they

:26:08.:26:11.

were teaching us. That's how we got indoctrine ated. They said, if we

:26:12.:26:18.

died, we'd enter paradise. Once, a woman went somewhere without telling

:26:19.:26:22.

them. They gathered all the women together and killed her in front of

:26:23.:26:30.

us as a warning. They shot her. They wanted me to marry again after my

:26:31.:26:34.

husband left and I said no, I won't. That's when they told me I should

:26:35.:26:44.

take the bomb. Does that mean they only asked women to be suicide

:26:45.:26:48.

bombers? Yes, when they are tired of you, they'll tell you to two on a

:26:49.:26:52.

suicide mission. We were told to detonate at a camp. I said no. Since

:26:53.:26:58.

my mum was residing in that area, I wouldn't go and kill people, I would

:26:59.:27:02.

rather go and live with my family, even if I die there. So I sneaked

:27:03.:27:06.

out very early in the morning without their knowledge. The

:27:07.:27:10.

following morning I got there. That is when I learnt there had been a

:27:11.:27:15.

bomb-blast. I saw a video of the mutilated body of one of the girls.

:27:16.:27:20.

It wasn't pleasant to see. It isn't a good thing to carry a bomb to kill

:27:21.:27:27.

fellow human beings. This is the spot where the February attack

:27:28.:27:31.

happened. There are still bloodstains on the a road, a

:27:32.:27:34.

constant reminder to residents of what happened here during that

:27:35.:27:38.

attack. Many are survivors or even lost their loved ones. We are told

:27:39.:27:41.

there was a huge crowd crossing the road from one side of the camp to

:27:42.:27:48.

the other to collect water and food. Queueing in the camp is now banned,

:27:49.:27:54.

instead the line is formed and residents sit quietly waiting for

:27:55.:27:59.

their turn. Mass cooking is forbidden. Instead, meals are

:28:00.:28:04.

prepared in small communities. All this to prevent further attacks. But

:28:05.:28:09.

people here are still scared. They can't trust anyone, not even churn

:28:10.:28:17.

children. Fatima was injured. She still can't sleep after what she's

:28:18.:28:23.

saw. TRANSLATION: We brought our

:28:24.:28:26.

containers to get water. At the same time, a soldier was trying to

:28:27.:28:30.

arrange our queues. There was this woman wearing a red veil. She had

:28:31.:28:35.

long hair. She said, can't we beat up this soldier who is trying to

:28:36.:28:40.

disperse us. When I heard that, I turned back to look at her. As soon

:28:41.:28:48.

as I walked on to the road, she shouted, pretending that her stomach

:28:49.:28:51.

was hurting her, so people rushed to help her. That was when the bomb

:28:52.:28:56.

detonated. It was like something was put around us. I saw a ball of fire.

:28:57.:29:02.

I was frightened when I saw blood all around me and the dead bodies.

:29:03.:29:12.

We are still terrified. For this woman, her ordeal is over. She

:29:13.:29:17.

finally feels safe and is planning her future outside of Boko Haram. If

:29:18.:29:20.

I will marry again, I won't have anything to do with the mill tans. I

:29:21.:29:26.

will marry if I find a suitor. I want to go to school. Had it been I

:29:27.:29:31.

went to school, I would have known everything I wanted to know. I'm so

:29:32.:29:33.

happy and excited for that. Coming up: We'll have the latest

:29:34.:29:44.

from Bradford Crown Court as former Sunderland player Adam Johnson is

:29:45.:29:47.

due to be sentenced after he was found guilty of one count of sexual

:29:48.:29:51.

activity with a 15-year-old schoolgirl.

:29:52.:29:54.

And where are you going to live? The Government says housing is a top

:29:55.:29:58.

priority but hundreds of thousands of council and Housing Association

:29:59.:30:02.

homes in England could be lost if its new plans go ahead, say critics.

:30:03.:30:06.

We'll talk to some who could be affected.

:30:07.:30:15.

Annita is in the BBC Newsroom and has more on that and a summary

:30:16.:30:19.

Police in Brussels are continuing their search for a suspect,

:30:20.:30:23.

pictured wearing a white jacket on CCTV footage at the airport

:30:24.:30:26.

shortly before the attacks took on Tuesday.

:30:27.:30:28.

It's thought he escaped after his two accomplices

:30:29.:30:29.

31 people have been confirmed dead with hundreds more injured,

:30:30.:30:33.

Salah Abdeslam - one of the suspects in last year's Paris terror attacks-

:30:34.:30:42.

will not fight extradition from Belgium.

:30:43.:30:43.

He was arrested and wounded in a police raid on Friday

:30:44.:30:46.

His lawyer said that he wants to return to France to explain

:30:47.:30:53.

TRANSLATION: Salah Abdeslam has asked to be extradited to France,

:30:54.:30:57.

the process will take approximately two weeks.

:30:58.:31:03.

TRANSLATION: Salah Abdeslam has asked to be extradited to France,

:31:04.:31:06.

On March 31st he will appear in court to execute the European

:31:07.:31:09.

extradition warrant, we need 15 days to finish

:31:10.:31:12.

the process but there will be no appeal or challenge,

:31:13.:31:14.

we will implement his wish and this is a good thing.

:31:15.:31:17.

Here, the Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon, has said the terror

:31:18.:31:19.

threat shows this isn't the time to be leaving the European Union.

:31:20.:31:22.

He was speaking after a former head of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove,

:31:23.:31:25.

argued that a British exit could lead to important security

:31:26.:31:27.

gains for the UK, including greater control over immigration

:31:28.:31:29.

A UN war crimes tribunal is to return its verdict today

:31:30.:31:42.

in the case of the former Bosnian-Serb leader Radovan

:31:43.:31:44.

He's accused of genocide and crimes against humanity related to the war

:31:45.:31:48.

At least 100,000 people died in the conflict,

:31:49.:31:52.

before an American-brokered peace deal brought the fighting

:31:53.:31:54.

Adam Johnson, the ex-Sunderland football player, has arrived

:31:55.:32:04.

at court and is due to be sentenced after he was found guilty of one

:32:05.:32:08.

count of sexual activity with a 15-year-old schoolgirl.

:32:09.:32:09.

Johnson was told by a judge he faced a substantial prison sentence

:32:10.:32:12.

after he was found guilty of one offence of sexual activity

:32:13.:32:15.

with a child by a jury earlier this month.

:32:16.:32:17.

The winger had already admitted another

:32:18.:32:19.

count of the same offence and also grooming the teenager.

:32:20.:32:23.

Police are appealing for information after two women were murdered

:32:24.:32:26.

The attacks took place in different locations yesterday evening.

:32:27.:32:30.

A 34-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder

:32:31.:32:34.

The bodies of a man and a woman have been found by rescuers searching

:32:35.:32:44.

for two climbers who've been missing on Ben Nevis since February.

:32:45.:32:46.

Rachel Slater and Tim Newton, from Bradford, failed to return

:32:47.:32:49.

from an outing on the mountain and hazardous weather hampered

:32:50.:32:51.

Police Scotland said the families of the two climbers

:32:52.:32:54.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC Newsroom

:32:55.:33:00.

Time for some sport. Formula 1 will no longer be shown on

:33:01.:33:14.

to wrest real television from 2019, Sky Sports announcing it has signed

:33:15.:33:19.

an exclusive deal to broadcast the races. It said it will show the

:33:20.:33:23.

whole of the British Grand Prix on a new free to air channel.

:33:24.:33:26.

Wales and Northern Ireland meet in a friendly tonight ahead of the Euros,

:33:27.:33:30.

Wales without injured key players Gareth Bale and Aaron Ramsey.

:33:31.:33:34.

Scotland play a friendly in the Czech Republic.

:33:35.:33:36.

Tennis world another one Novak Djokovic has apologised to a number

:33:37.:33:40.

of leading female players following comments he made on Sunday. He

:33:41.:33:43.

suggested male players should earn more as they generate more income.

:33:44.:33:50.

He now says he was referring to more pay across the board.

:33:51.:33:53.

That is all the sport, more on the BBC News Channel.

:33:54.:33:54.

A loss of 370,000 council and housing association homes

:33:55.:33:56.

by 2020 is what we're facing if current Government housing policy

:33:57.:33:59.

continues the way it's going - that's what the Chair

:34:00.:34:04.

of the Chartered Institute of Housing has told this programme.

:34:05.:34:10.

David Cameron has said housing is a top priority

:34:11.:34:13.

for the Government, promising to build 1 million

:34:14.:34:14.

But the Government also wants to make some more controversial

:34:15.:34:18.

changes, like charging on or near market rents to people

:34:19.:34:20.

in social housing who earn ?30,000 outside London

:34:21.:34:22.

Our reporter Jim Reed has been speaking to someone facing eviction

:34:23.:34:29.

and struggling to find somewhere for her and her teenage son to live.

:34:30.:34:35.

My son was born here, so, yes, I have been here 16 years.

:34:36.:34:41.

I knew I would probably have to leave this house

:34:42.:34:46.

because of my landlord dying last year.

:34:47.:34:49.

The shock is being in the situation that I can't find anywhere to live,

:34:50.:34:56.

Tam Avery lives with her teenage son a few hundred metres

:34:57.:35:05.

She's worked all her life, then last year she had a fall,

:35:06.:35:10.

Now she's got to move in a few weeks and she is running out of options.

:35:11.:35:17.

I've been looking for it must be now 14 weeks,

:35:18.:35:20.

15 weeks, and I can't find privately anywhere to live and the main reason

:35:21.:35:26.

Nobody wants housing benefit, and council-wise there's not enough

:35:27.:35:35.

properties and when there is one there are nearly 100

:35:36.:35:38.

There are around 5000 council properties in this part of Kent.

:35:39.:35:49.

There are 2500 people on the waiting list for social housing.

:35:50.:35:51.

At the same time, there's a real shortage of affordable private

:35:52.:35:54.

Most landlords simply refuse to take tenants on housing benefit.

:35:55.:35:59.

I am stuck in the middle of no-man's-land.

:36:00.:36:04.

Where do people go when they can't get a private rental and they can't

:36:05.:36:10.

I would love somebody to answer that because I've never known

:36:11.:36:17.

If she stays here, she will eventually be evicted and can

:36:18.:36:28.

Then the council may have to put the family

:36:29.:36:33.

The other option is to move back into her parents'

:36:34.:36:37.

I will end up sharing a bedroom with my 16-year-old son.

:36:38.:36:48.

It shouldn't be this way and it shouldn't be my only option.

:36:49.:37:03.

I will challenge anybody out there to find me somewhere to live.

:37:04.:37:12.

Our political guru Norman Smith has been talking with

:37:13.:37:16.

Housing Minister Brandon Lewis about what he's doing to deal

:37:17.:37:19.

What we're doing is working to support people who want a chance to

:37:20.:37:29.

own their own home, whether it is to help to buy, right to buy, a range

:37:30.:37:32.

of the schemes including shared ownership where people can get into

:37:33.:37:37.

ownership for about ?4000, we want to give people the chance to own

:37:38.:37:41.

their home. I am also clear, we want to see an increase in housing supply

:37:42.:37:48.

across all sectors, not just social housing, but affordable housing as

:37:49.:37:51.

well. On so-called pay to stay, reports

:37:52.:37:56.

had sent higher rents would kick in at 30 or ?40,000 depending on

:37:57.:37:59.

whether you are in London, but Mr Lewis says it is not quite like

:38:00.:38:01.

that. First of all, that is not how the

:38:02.:38:05.

scheme will work, we have been clear from the beginning that it tapers,

:38:06.:38:08.

we have consulted on this, there will be a table which means when

:38:09.:38:12.

people move above ?30,000 outside London, which is above the median

:38:13.:38:24.

income, 40,000 in London, they start to pay a bit more rent. Bear in mind

:38:25.:38:27.

there are tens of thousands of people owning over -- earning over

:38:28.:38:29.

?50,000 a year and using social housing. There will be a table, it

:38:30.:38:32.

will not have a cliff edge, it will always pay to work, and we will be

:38:33.:38:35.

clear that the table will make sure it is affordable to people.

:38:36.:38:44.

With me is Lord Bob Kerslake, former head for the civil

:38:45.:38:47.

service of the Communities and Local Government department

:38:48.:38:50.

and Chair of Housing Association the Peabody Trust.

:38:51.:38:53.

Lord Kerslake says this housing bill could be the "end of social housing

:38:54.:38:56.

Jan Sweeney and her husband have a household income of just over

:38:57.:39:00.

the ?40,000 suggested upper limit before paying market rent

:39:01.:39:02.

on her home in Kensington and Chelsea - one of London's

:39:03.:39:05.

Jan thinks she might have to move or give up work if this becomes law.

:39:06.:39:19.

Carolyn Gelenter would also be affected by pay-to-stay measures

:39:20.:39:22.

and is thinking about cutting back her hours to part-time

:39:23.:39:24.

so she can afford to stay in her flat.

:39:25.:39:26.

Carolyn is also worried about suggested changes to secure

:39:27.:39:28.

tenancies - the idea of having a council house for life.

:39:29.:39:31.

Carolyn Gelenter would also be affected by pay-to-stay measures

:39:32.:39:35.

And Linzi Cooper and Rozlin Hunt are in Eastleigh for us this morning.

:39:36.:39:38.

They are neighbours in Housing Association homes

:39:39.:39:40.

and would love to buy their homes - if the chance for them to buy them

:39:41.:39:43.

Linzi and Roz have been neighbours for four years.

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Lord Kerslake, you say these plans could be the end of social housing

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as we know it, why? The combination of policies that the Government is

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taking forward will really impact on those ordinary people who live in

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their properties now. First of all, the Government is cutting back on

:40:07.:40:10.

the investment in new and affordable homes. Secondly, people who are

:40:11.:40:14.

paying, earning a bit more, people we will hear about later one are

:40:15.:40:17.

going to have to start paying a lot more rent, that is a big issue.

:40:18.:40:21.

Crucially, the way in which the Government wants to fund the

:40:22.:40:24.

opportunity for people to buy, and we will hear about them, is going to

:40:25.:40:29.

come from the forced sale of council houses, so you will lose two houses,

:40:30.:40:33.

one from the right-to-buy sale and one from the council sale.

:40:34.:40:46.

Typically higher value properties in areas where people want to live,

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they are the bigger properties, the ones most in demand. Councils are

:40:50.:40:51.

supposed to replace the one they have sold to fund the discount for

:40:52.:40:54.

the ones buying the housing association home like-for-like. You

:40:55.:40:56.

sell one, you build another one. We all hope that will be the case but

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the reality so far of the one policy is that for every eight sold, only

:41:00.:41:07.

one being built. Carolyn and Jan, Carolyn, you own over ?40,000, you

:41:08.:41:12.

are a higher rate taxpayer, Jan, you and your husband earned just over

:41:13.:41:18.

the ?40,000 pay-to-stay limit which has been suggested for London, what

:41:19.:41:21.

impact will a rents rise have on your families, even if it is tapered

:41:22.:41:26.

as Brandon Lewis suggests? First of all, I don't know what that means,

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second ball... It means it will go just a little up depending on what

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your salary is. Yes, but I don't know what that means in practice. At

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the moment, my flat, a one-bedroom flat in central London, in Camden,

:41:41.:41:47.

the private rent is ?2500 per month. By my calculation, you would have to

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be earning at least double what I'm earning to be able to afford to pay

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that kind of... Do you mind me asking what you pay at the moment?

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?650 per month for a council rent. That is a big difference. A huge

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difference. Jan, what difference will it have on you and your husband

:42:08.:42:11.

if the rent is put up to market rates, as the Government is

:42:12.:42:15.

suggesting? I would have to give up work to keep the rent as it is now.

:42:16.:42:19.

I am at a stage in my life where I can do the odd treat with the

:42:20.:42:22.

grandchildren, not expensive holidays, we don't even own a car,

:42:23.:42:28.

but I'm just at that stage in my life where I don't have to worry so

:42:29.:42:32.

much about money, and now this will bring me back down to the bread

:42:33.:42:36.

line. This is the critical issue, when this policy was first thought

:42:37.:42:41.

it was aimed at people over 60,000, people aren't quite high incomes,

:42:42.:42:45.

but bringing down the level of the income to 30 and 40, 40 is not a lot

:42:46.:42:49.

in London as anybody who lives in London will tell you, you are

:42:50.:42:56.

heading into a lot bigger issues, a bigger number of people. This is

:42:57.:43:00.

what the Government says, quote, it is not fair that hard-working people

:43:01.:43:03.

are subsidising the lifestyles of those on higher than average incomes

:43:04.:43:07.

to the tune of ?3500 per year. Where does this figure come from anger

:43:08.:43:12.

that thread I have spoken to several councillors where I live and asked

:43:13.:43:16.

them, is my rent subsidised? There and that is, no, you are paying more

:43:17.:43:21.

than what you need to pay. We put the extra money aside for a

:43:22.:43:26.

contingency fund, so where does this bigger come from? And, excuse me,

:43:27.:43:31.

I'm a hard-working taxpayer! I don't doubt it. The other thing is, if

:43:32.:43:36.

this bill goes through, I will be forced to go down to part-time work

:43:37.:43:41.

so I'm going from a high rate taxpayer to a low rate taxpayer, so

:43:42.:43:45.

how does that help the economy in any way? Let me bring in Linzi and

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Roslin. Linzi, you are desperate to buy your housing association home,

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so this bill, if it goes through, will potentially help you? Yes,

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hopefully. I absolutely love my house and don't want to live

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anywhere else, I have built my business here, my child goes to

:44:12.:44:15.

school just up the road, I have got great neighbours, it is a really

:44:16.:44:19.

nice area and be, my husband and children are really happy here and

:44:20.:44:22.

don't want to live anywhere else. Is it right that you will get a

:44:23.:44:26.

discount funded by your local councils selling of a higher value,

:44:27.:44:30.

more expensive, apparently empty council house somewhere else in

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more expensive, apparently empty borough? I don't really know about

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that. I don't feel that I am owed anything or anything like that, I

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don't want something for nothing. I worked really hard, we work lots of

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others, and unfortunately I can't afford to buy a house on the open

:44:46.:44:48.

market, wouldn't be able to afford the deposit and couldn't afford to

:44:49.:44:52.

pay a mortgage, unfortunately, on the full cost of my house at the

:44:53.:44:56.

moment. If I got the discount I would be really grateful and it

:44:57.:45:07.

means I can own a property it is probably the only opportunity we

:45:08.:45:10.

will get to own a property. Rosslyn, is it the same for you? Why do you

:45:11.:45:13.

want to buy yet rather than carry on renting? I think it is more for my

:45:14.:45:16.

future and my children. We have spent a lot of money doing up our

:45:17.:45:20.

own house, we cannot afford to buy on the open market, it would take is

:45:21.:45:26.

a long time to save for a deposit, obviously if pay to stay come since

:45:27.:45:30.

it does affect us and it would be even more out of our reach, we would

:45:31.:45:35.

not be able to afford a deposit at all to buy a house, so we would be

:45:36.:45:39.

grateful for the opportunity to do so. I think Linzi and Roslin should

:45:40.:45:49.

have the opportunity to buy, but question is how you should fund the

:45:50.:45:52.

discount, is it fair that other people do is the option for social

:45:53.:45:56.

housing to fund the discount? The problem we have is that we are not

:45:57.:45:59.

building enough houses of any type and that is what we have to be

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focused on, not, if you like, reshuffling the deck chairs around.

:46:04.:46:08.

The house price differences between out of London and in London, even if

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I wanted to buy my flat, which actually I don't, I love the fact

:46:14.:46:18.

that I have a secure tenancy and reasonable rent, but even if I

:46:19.:46:22.

wanted to buy it, the current rate is ?650,000. The other thing that

:46:23.:46:29.

people need to know is that if I was forced to leave my flat because of

:46:30.:46:33.

the pay-to-stay rent, it wouldn't go to a poor person, it would be sold,

:46:34.:46:40.

because part of this is that vacant houses worth over ?350,000, which is

:46:41.:46:46.

pretty well every place in Camden, will have to be sold immediately. So

:46:47.:46:50.

who is going to buy my flat? A wealthy person! Which is some of the

:46:51.:46:56.

criticism of this policy, it will mean that communities are not mixed

:46:57.:47:00.

any more, there will just be areas of very, very rich people, or rather

:47:01.:47:05.

more areas of very rich people across London. It will be a double

:47:06.:47:09.

whammy, the sale of the housing association property and then the

:47:10.:47:12.

sale of a council property to pay for the discount and I think one for

:47:13.:47:17.

one is going to be very hard to achieve, particularly in London.

:47:18.:47:21.

Every party in opposition says, if we get into Government we will build

:47:22.:47:23.

more houses. It doesn't happen, why? To do it you have to be determine

:47:24.:47:33.

and address the issues of money and land and have to build every type of

:47:34.:47:38.

house. I own my own house and I think people should have the

:47:39.:47:42.

opportunity. We have got to build for renters as well. Let me read

:47:43.:47:47.

some messages from people who're affected by this or who have views

:47:48.:47:52.

from around the country. Rachel tweets, where can you go if you

:47:53.:47:57.

can't get an affordable privately rented property or Housing

:47:58.:48:00.

Association, possibly get evicted or go back to your parents. Twitter

:48:01.:48:14.

viewers says, why do people want to buy big houses at a knock down

:48:15.:48:22.

price? If it's something that's available to me, I would be very

:48:23.:48:26.

grateful, I don't feel entitled. Who blames you, if the opportunity was

:48:27.:48:30.

there, you would take it. That's really not the issue, it's about

:48:31.:48:34.

Government policy, not individual's decisions. One more e-mailer says, I

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work for a housing company in London, the right-to-buy properties

:48:46.:48:47.

that have been sold shouldn't have been sold, it would be a mistake to

:48:48.:48:53.

do it again. 40% in some places in London have been sold.

:48:54.:48:57.

Thank you all very much for your time and Linzi and Roz as well.

:48:58.:49:07.

Adam Johnson has lodged an appeal against his conviction for sexually

:49:08.:49:14.

touching a 15-year-old schoolgirl. It was confirmed ahead of his

:49:15.:49:17.

sentencing at Bradford Crown Court today. We are awaiting that

:49:18.:49:21.

sentence. He admits grooming the schoolgirl and one count of sexual

:49:22.:49:25.

activity involving kissing. He could face up to ten years in prison. He's

:49:26.:49:30.

been told by the judge to say goodbye to his daughter. This

:49:31.:49:36.

morning, his sister posted on social media saying she was too upset to

:49:37.:49:40.

attend court and would instead stay at home with Adam Johnson's daughter

:49:41.:49:42.

and the mother of his child, Stacey. Our reporter Fiona Trott is outside

:49:43.:49:49.

Bradford Crown Court for us now. Tell us what Adam Johnson did?

:49:50.:50:00.

We are hearing from inside the court, the very latest from my

:50:01.:50:04.

correspondent who is in the court at the moment, my colleague, Ed Thomas,

:50:05.:50:07.

he said that the victim's impact statement is being read out in

:50:08.:50:12.

court. He said that the girl said she'd suffered at school, she felt

:50:13.:50:17.

intimidated, the victim's mother's also said she felt powerless that

:50:18.:50:21.

she couldn't protect her own child and at no time has any member of

:50:22.:50:25.

their family sought to make money from the case. That's the latest

:50:26.:50:29.

from inside the court, hearing details of that victim impact

:50:30.:50:34.

statement. Earlier in January this year, Adam Johnson had already been

:50:35.:50:38.

grooming this 15-year-old football fan via social media. In the end,

:50:39.:50:43.

over 800 message had been exchanged between them. They were meeting for

:50:44.:50:48.

a second time in secret in his car, he'd already given her a signed

:50:49.:50:52.

football shirt, and he told her "I've come for my thank you kiss"

:50:53.:50:57.

and the court heard that's when he put his hand inside her trousers.

:50:58.:51:01.

The court heard that this young girl told her father she wanted to kill

:51:02.:51:06.

herself and she confided in him about what had happened. Remember

:51:07.:51:09.

she broke down several times when she was giving evidence here at

:51:10.:51:13.

Bradford Crown Court. This trial, of course, has already raised questions

:51:14.:51:17.

about exactly what Sunderland football club knew. Adam Johnson was

:51:18.:51:23.

suspended when he was arrested but that was lifted after 16 days. He

:51:24.:51:27.

was then able to carry on playing for the club. 28 matches in total.

:51:28.:51:33.

During that time, he was earning ?60,000 a week. Now, after this

:51:34.:51:38.

trial, the Chief Executive of Sunderland Football Club, Margaret

:51:39.:51:41.

Byrne said this: Contrary to what has been suggested, I did not

:51:42.:51:46.

understand that Mr Johnson intended to change his plea. I was astounded

:51:47.:51:54.

when he did plead guilty. As a consequence, Margaret Byrne

:51:55.:51:59.

resigned. She said: I accept Mr Johnson shouldn't have been

:52:00.:52:02.

permitted to play again irrespective of what he was going to plead,

:52:03.:52:05.

health service a serious error of judgment.

:52:06.:52:10.

So that is the latest here from Bradford Crown Court. I'm just

:52:11.:52:14.

checking to see if there are any more developments from inside. I'm

:52:15.:52:17.

hearing from my colleague Ed Thomas that the player had told the, the

:52:18.:52:23.

court was told that Sunderland FC sorry, they were well aware of what

:52:24.:52:27.

he'd done. That is the latest detail we are hearing from inside the court

:52:28.:52:31.

at the moment. Of course, as you know, the judge, Jonathan Rose, is

:52:32.:52:34.

due to hand down sentencing very shortly.

:52:35.:52:38.

Thank you for the moment. Yesterday, the Football Association released a

:52:39.:52:42.

film on child protection on the eve of Adam Johnson's sentencing. It

:52:43.:52:54.

doesn't refer directly to the ex-ex-Sunderland player's case but

:52:55.:53:03.

here is a clip. We have football clubs, they know what they are doing

:53:04.:53:07.

and work with management teams to put safeguards in place, that's what

:53:08.:53:10.

we want. In addition to that, we have to look at those in roles that

:53:11.:53:15.

give them power and influence arrange coaches and managers who

:53:16.:53:20.

pick and choose what is happening and those should include criminal

:53:21.:53:23.

records checks and ensure they have safeguarding training. We have done

:53:24.:53:27.

50,000 checks a year and 35,000 people going through that training.

:53:28.:53:31.

What responsibilities do professional clubs have? In addition

:53:32.:53:35.

to that, they have to make sure all of their staff understand the

:53:36.:53:39.

conduct that is expected of them and they need to monitor that. And

:53:40.:53:42.

obviously if anything comes to light, the deal with that, and if

:53:43.:53:48.

someone is in a role wider than club, to inform ourselves so that we

:53:49.:53:52.

can become involved or the statutory agencies. Are criminal record checks

:53:53.:53:59.

carried out on all players? The law, not football, governs who can and

:54:00.:54:02.

can't have a criminal records check and simply playing, although that

:54:03.:54:06.

might bring a lot of celebrity for some, isn't a role that we can

:54:07.:54:11.

legally make criminal records checks on.

:54:12.:54:16.

Let's speak to Jon Brown from the NSPCC.

:54:17.:54:21.

How concerned are you that there are no criminal records checks? This

:54:22.:54:29.

beggars belief that Adam Johnson was originally suspended and

:54:30.:54:31.

unbelievably that was lifted and he was allowed to play. That

:54:32.:54:35.

contravenes the FA rules and regulations and advice to clubs.

:54:36.:54:40.

What we are concerned about at the NSPCC is to what extent is that

:54:41.:54:43.

happening elsewhere. We don't know but I think it would be unwise to

:54:44.:54:47.

assume that Sunderland is one example alone here.

:54:48.:54:54.

The NSPCC works, I'm told, with the FA monitoring body child protection

:54:55.:54:59.

in sport unit. Is that failing? The child protection in sport unit is an

:55:00.:55:03.

NSPCC body and we have been working with the FA for 15 years now very

:55:04.:55:11.

productively and collaboratively our work with the FA has helped inform a

:55:12.:55:16.

good set of world class set of policies and protections related to

:55:17.:55:20.

safeguarding. Frankly, they are not going to be worth a lot if they are

:55:21.:55:24.

not implemented at club level. That's our concern. That didn't

:55:25.:55:30.

happen in Sunderland. What we need to see is that the club culture is

:55:31.:55:34.

right across the country, whether we are talking about Premier League

:55:35.:55:38.

clubs or a local Sunday league club, that culture is right from the top.

:55:39.:55:44.

There needs to be a zero tolerance approach to anything illegal

:55:45.:55:47.

obviously, but a really positive approach from relation to the

:55:48.:55:50.

protection and welfare of children. That wasn't happening at Sunderland

:55:51.:55:54.

clearly. There are some football supporters and newspaper columnists

:55:55.:55:58.

who don't believe Adam Johnson is a paedophile. What do you say to that?

:55:59.:56:05.

That is someone who has a sexual interest in young children, so that

:56:06.:56:09.

is correct that he's not a paedophile, but he's sexually abused

:56:10.:56:14.

and exploited a child, a schoolgirl. That's had a devastating effect

:56:15.:56:18.

clearly on the victim. We have heard the victim impact statement. It's

:56:19.:56:22.

had a devastating effect. He knew what he was doing was wrong. That's

:56:23.:56:28.

very clear. He's now going to get sentenced and no doubt that will

:56:29.:56:32.

reflect the severity of what he's done. He's now a sex offender and

:56:33.:56:35.

he's going to need to recognise that. He's devastated and ruined his

:56:36.:56:41.

clear and more importantly, he's had a huge devastating impact on a child

:56:42.:56:45.

as well. From your expertise and experience,

:56:46.:56:52.

how do you help teenagers, children sometimes younger than that, try to

:56:53.:56:59.

deal with the experience of being groomed and abused? It's important

:57:00.:57:04.

to make the person understand it's not their fault. Particularly in

:57:05.:57:08.

this situation where a footballer, an international Premier League

:57:09.:57:12.

footballer, they have an iconic status and there are children up and

:57:13.:57:15.

down the country playing football and they look up to these

:57:16.:57:18.

individuals. So when there is the opportunity to meet someone like

:57:19.:57:22.

that, there's a huge power imbalance there so they are made to feel it's

:57:23.:57:29.

their fought. When we work they are pewically with children, it's about

:57:30.:57:33.

helping that child understand that it wasn't their fault -- it's their

:57:34.:57:38.

fault. We teach them that there is light at

:57:39.:57:43.

the end of the tunnel and we let the positive future back in for them. I

:57:44.:57:46.

think the programmes we run have shown to be effective. We just

:57:47.:57:51.

evaluated that and I think they can be enabled to get over what's

:57:52.:57:57.

happened. Prevention is key really and prevention within football clubs

:57:58.:58:00.

and ensuring that the Football Association are really satisfied

:58:01.:58:05.

that their world class policies and procedures are embedded at club

:58:06.:58:10.

level for a process of support, encouragement and audit as well.

:58:11.:58:13.

Thank you very much Jon Brown from the NSPCC.

:58:14.:58:18.