13/04/2016 Victoria Derbyshire


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The question at the heart of it is whether government policy has been

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shaped by a six story involving a Cabinet minister.

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Let me just unpack it for you a bit. First off, he has admitted that he

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had a relationship with a six worker before he became Culture Secretary

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for about six months. The second part of the story

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involves the press. Four newspapers from big newspaper groups, the mail

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group, News International, the Mirror group and the independent

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were all investigating the story and seemed to be aware of it but none

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published it. Campaign groups like Hacked Off are saying this is

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extraordinary, this is the sort of story they published an if you look

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at the stories around Max Mosley or David Mellor... There are suspicions

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as to why the press did not publish. Which takes us to the third element

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of the story, the politics. The charge from Labour is that the

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reason the newspapers did not publish is because they wanted to

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keep the story in their back pocket, as a sort of sort of Damocles which

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they could hold over John Whittingdale to make sure he did not

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press ahead with further press regulation or the next stage of the

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Leveson Inquiry. newspapers had been contacted about

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it? The answer to that would seem to be no and there are some questioning

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as to whether he should have told the Prime Minister and told the

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Cabinet Secretary bass of the potential for blackmail or for

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pressure to be applied to him. Number Ten's view is that Mr

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Whittingdale is a single man. He is entitled to a private life and that

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the Prime Minister retains full confidence in him. Hacked Off say

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that Mr Whittingdale has changed his mind on Leveson, previously he was

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in favour of the second stage of the Leveson Inquiry which all the

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inications are may well not go ahead and their suggestion is that the

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reason Mr Whittingdale changed his mind is because in the back of his

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mind there is the fear or there was the fear of this story going public.

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I have to say from my knowledge of Mr Whittingdale, he has been a

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sceptic about further press regulation. He has always been in

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favour of a much more light handed and light touch approach to press

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regulation. So it could always have been the case that Mr Whittingdale

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was never going to be inclined to press ahead with further press

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regulation. Thank you, Norman. We will talk to Labour's culture

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spokeswoman after 10am. How do you view this story? Do you have

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confidence in the Culture Secretary and his role as being in charge of

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newspapers in this country? Particularly knowing the fact that

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four newspapers didn't publish this story about him, but as Norman said,

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Downing Street saying hey, he was a single man. Where is the story. Send

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us your view. With the rest of the news here is

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Joanna. More than 2,000 pupils in Edinburgh

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- whose schools had been closed because of concerns

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about their structural safety - 17 sites were shut last Friday

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amid fears over the standard A further 5,000 younger

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pupils will be spending a third day at home,

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and may not resume their studies Students preparing for

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Scottish Highers and other exams They are either returning

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to their own school or have been Students didn't return to school

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following the Easter holidays after Edinburgh Council closed

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a total of 17 schools The problems were first uncovered

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in January when part of a wall at one school

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collapsed during high winds. Other schools were closed

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after inspections revealed problems with the way walls and roofs

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had been built. Today, three schools, Drummond,

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Firrhill and Royal High are partially reopening

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because the areas causing structural Two at Gracemount and Craigmount

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are sending their pupils elsewhere, but their teachers will go with them

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to ensure some level But that still leaves almost 5,000

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pupils off school for a third day The remaining affected secondary,

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primary and special needs pupils are likely to be given

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somewhere to resume lessons There is still uncertainty

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about where that will be. So they will be in a different

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building, but they will be taught by their usual teachers

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in their usual class. So there should be very little

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difference to their study except It's a very logistical exercise,

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but I'm pleased to say my team have done a fantastic job at getting

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those logistics together. All 17 schools were built as part

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of the city's public-private finance The scale of repairs are as yet

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unknown and the disruption Prosecutors in Panama City have

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raided the offices of the law Millions of confidential documents

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were leaked from the firm, revealing how some wealthy

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individuals used offshore A company called Blairmore Holdings,

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set up by David Cameron's late Britain's biggest supermarket,

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Tesco, is back in profit. The company has reported its first

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sales growth in three years, reporting a pre-tax profit

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of ?162 million for last year. That compares to a loss of more

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than ?6 billion for the year before. A drive towards lower

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prices and fewer products The company has also closed 60

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unprofitable stores and sold off High rates of unemployment

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in southern and eastern Europe have been named as among the key factors

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driving an increase in the number Over the last five years the number

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of EU nationals living in the UK has gone up by almost

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700,000 to 3.3 million. Oxford University's Migration

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Observatory says six countries account for 80 per cent of that

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increase - Spain, Italy, Portugal, A leading cancer charity is warning

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that obesity may be fuelling a significant rise in the number

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of women being diagnosed Cancer Research UK says the number

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of cases has almost doubled Around 9,000 women are found

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to have the disease every year in the UK, with around

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2,000 deaths as a result. A BBC investigation has found that

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police in England and Wales have seized almost 5,000 dogs

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in the last three years - on suspicion that they

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are banned breeds. The RSPCA says there's no proper

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evidence that some types of dog are more violent than others,

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but the Government says a ban It will never be

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the same again, ever. It will never look like

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a normal leg again. This is how Kerry Stevens' leg looks

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today after she was attacked by a dog while delivering

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a package in Eastbourne. It was snapping at my legs and then

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it got me basically on the leg, pushed me to to the floor and lock

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jawed on and basically, I was screaming, "Get it off me.

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Get it off me." The Dangerous Dog Act

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came into force in 1991, after six-year-old

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Rukhsana Khan from Bradford The Act prevented people

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from owning these four breeds. The RSPCA says banning specific

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types of dog hasn't stopped people from breeding or selling them,

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but punishes some unaggressive dogs If there is a suspicion that that

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dog is a banned type it will be taken from the owner's home

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and taken into undisclosed police kennels and it will then wait

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there for a period of time until an expert comes

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in to determine whether or not a dog Since 1997 some dogs can be exempt

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from the ban as long as the animals are kept by a responsible owner

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and don't pose a risk to the public. Last year this dog, Budd,

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was identified as a pit bull The Government says the been

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on certain types of dogs is crucial to help deal with the heightened

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risk those animals pose. A small Islamic sect that faces

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disapproval and hostility from some other Muslims says

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it is increasingly worried that its members

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may be attacked. The Ahmadis believe that there

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was a prophet after Muhammad which has led many mainstream Muslim

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organisations to declare them not Leaflets calling for the killing

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of Ahmadis have recently been found A mosque trustee suggested

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they were fakes or were Minority communities

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in Pakistan have become targets of sectarian violence

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and some fear that We'll be examining this issue

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in much greater detail on the programme in the next few

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minutes, and discussing it with Ahmadi Muslims

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and an Islamic scholar after 10am. A British playwright has died. The

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writer first came to prominence in the 1950s for his gritty, working

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class dramas about every day life. His wife said he died yesterday

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after a long illness. Later we will be talking to the

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Labour MP who thinks the Culture Secretary shouldn't be involved in

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any decisions on regulation of the press after he confirmed he had a

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relationship with a sex worker. Has Labour got a point? Tell us what

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you think. Should a Government minister's private life, could it

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affect their decisions at work? John says not. Tell us what you think and

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what you think of the story generally. Get in touch in the usual

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ways. Reading a couple of your comments

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which are in already. This e-mail from Andrew, "I don't know what the

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fuss is about. How many politicians have done the same? If you are in

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Government, then you should be squeaky clean or leave." Lee, "I

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don't think it is relevant. The fuss around the woman being a sex worker

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speaks volumes about our attitude towards sex work: " Ian, "Hacked

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Off, the campaign group says that campaigns for a free and accountable

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press, Hacked Off can hardly complain that John Whittingdale had

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his privacy respected when they campaign from it." Des says, "What

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business is of anybody he is what the Culture Secretary has done or

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does in his private life. He acknowledged happened and leave him

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alone and stop treating him as a criminal."

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They've reached the semi-finals of the Champions League

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for the first time beating Paris St Germain

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After a 2-2 draw in the first leg in FranceCity had

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And could have settled nerves a little earlier if Sergio Aguero

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Joe Hart was called into action on a number of occasions.

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Including twice from Zlatan Ibrahimovic free kicks.

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But perhaps fitting that in a contest billed as being

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between the rich kids of England and France.

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The most expensive player on the pitch got the winner.

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Kevin De Bruyne firing in with 15 minutes to go with his 15th

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The goal also gave manager Manuel Pellegrini his first

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Champions League semi final in his final year at City.

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Because we draw in Paris we are going to draw.

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Could City's next opponents include THIS man...

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Real Madrid making it for the sixth straight year. British number two

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takes on Nadal this morning for the Andy Murray is already through. The

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world number two didn't make it easy for himself, taking the first set

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6-2 but lost the second 6-4. He rallied in the second, taking its

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6-3 to progress. winning the 100 metre breast gold at

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British swimming World Championships in Glasgow. He came home in under 58

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seconds to qualify for the Games. Finally, a maximum 147 break in

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snooker is a rare thing, so as you can imagine, missing the final black

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is pretty agonising. But doing it twice, spare a thought for satire

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and no. He has only gone and done it again. This time it came in World

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Championship qualifying. The latest miss for him cost him nearly

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?10,000. His feelings after missing this pot. Yeah, fairly clear...

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Thank you very much, more later. As the killing of pay Muslim shopkeeper

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in Glasgow exposed religious prejudice in this country?

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This programme has been told by one Muslim group that they are

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increasingly worried that this group may be attacked by other, more

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extreme Muslims. We have been to the UK's biggest Ahmadi mosque.

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They said, "We will cut you into pieces.

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"We will break your legs and we will even cut your neck,

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What we are seeing is targeted abuse, saying Ahmadis are less

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than animals and they should have no human rights.

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This is unacceptable, this is completely unacceptable.

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Every sect believes they are the right sect

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and what the other sect practices is incorrect.

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They don't like us because of what we believe.

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Friday prayers at the Baitul Futuh mosque in south London.

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It is the largest in the UK and thousands of worshippers

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have come together to hear the weekly sermon.

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It could be a while before they are able to get

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It is not usual to see such a high amount of security like this

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at mosques in the UK but the worshippers

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That is because there is a real feeling they may be at risk

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It is airport style security and we are vigilant and we look

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We are not a professional outfit like the police but we do

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Do you think the level of security here is excessive?

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It is proportionate in accordance with the risk so we need to take

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When people understand the reasons it is a lot easier and they know

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37-year-old Farouq is an Ahmadi Muslim.

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There are about 30,000 others like him in the UK.

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But some Muslims do not recognise Ahmadis as being part

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It is down to Ahmadis believing in a follower prophet after Muhammad

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It is a contentious issue amongst some Muslims who believe Muhammad

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It is this belief which has Ahmadis labelled as apostates,

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disbelievers and in extreme cases worthy of being killed.

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We have the threats we saw in Pakistan in 2010,

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the two Lahore attacks where, at a mosque, suicide

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We have seen recently an increase in sectarian violence,

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the question of ideology and hate, and we have seen what was going

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In Pakistan Ahmadis are not allowed to hold Friday prayers,

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openly preach or even call themselves Muslims.

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If they do they could face up to three years in prison

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under the country's infamous blasphemy laws.

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Why do you think there are some groups out there who do not

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We are Muslims, we follow Islam, nothing else.

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Aneesa came to the UK in 2012 with her 15-year-old son Bilal.

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She had been receiving death threats from her neighbours in Pakistan

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She does not want us to show her face or Bilal's

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because she's worried about being targeted.

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When you received these threats from extremist Muslims,

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They said, "We will cut you into pieces, break your legs

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and even cut your neck, and then we will become satisfied".

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Aneesa hired a solicitor to take on her asylum case

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He happened to be Muslim and she began to face problems.

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When I hired a solicitor, rather than solicitor,

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He preached me, "Why are you living in fool's paradise?"

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"Leave this religion and come to the actual faith

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It was not his duty to preach me at that moment.

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His duty was only to represent me, nothing else.

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You paid a solicitor to represent you but instead

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he is preaching to you, telling you that

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At the time I felt I was not in the UK.

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Aneesa and her son's asylum cases are still ongoing.

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Bilal has adapted well to life in the UK, though he can't fully

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What impact has it had on you, growing up as an Ahmadi

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They have taken away their childhood from me.

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Making new friends, I could not do that.

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I always had to stay at home, because I'm an Ahmadi Muslim

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and my mum was scared to let me go out.

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I was even feeling scared in my own home because I knew

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What is life like for you in the UK now?

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You can fit in with the society, no matter what race you are.

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No matter what skin colour or religion, it doesn't

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What if your case is rejected and you have to go back to Pakistan?

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I would not even know who I am, because if I go back

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to Pakistan I don't know what they would do to me.

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Ahmadi shopkeeper Asah Shah at his store in Glasgow.

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A killing which police believe was religiously prejudiced.

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Some fear the religious intolerance to Ahmadis seen in countries

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like Pakistan is now beginning to take root here.

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From the beginning of April,, police forces in England and Wales

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have been required to record anti-Muslim hate crimes

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as a separate category to try and get a better idea

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Fiyaz Mughal is from Tell Mama, a group which monitors

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The group claim they are seeing more sectarian incidents

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being reported to them, both on and off-line,

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with a particular increase in anti-Ahmadi abuse

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We've had material where they are regarded as individuals

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who should be exterminated, calling Ahmadis cockroaches,

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and monkeys, calling Ahmadis individuals who should not have any

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Do you think things will get better or do you expect the number

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of incidents which come your way to stay the same?

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We will sadly continue to see a rise, the issue of Ahmadis

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being seen as non-Muslims is quite significant

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in Muslim communities, in mainstream thought.

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We don't have a problem with theological difference

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and debate, people can disagree, but what some of these disagreements

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lead to is the hate and vilification of the Ahmadi community

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Despite what groups like Tell Mama claim are increasing levels

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of anti-Ahmadi abuse, some are trying to help bring

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26 year old Abdul Quddus is a young British Ahmadi Imam and he makes

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a point to actively engage with people from other religions,

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those of no faith and Muslims from different sects.

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Now we find in the UK there is more voiced opinion

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People are calling those from other sects as disbelievers, non-Muslims.

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Rather than looking at the commonalities

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and community, they want to see the differences.

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And they hold those differences against each group.

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Do you think there needs to be more dialogue between

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Just by making more practical steps, dialogue, inviting each other

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to mosques, community places, and sharing a meal together

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These things will break the tension and cause a reason

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At this very moment Islam is being attacked and defamed.

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It is even more vital for people to come together to unite.

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You are a qualified Imam and have studied the subject for seven years.

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How does it feel when someone says to you, "You don't know

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They have been taught this from day one.

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You can't blame someone who has actually had that

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Hopefully, I always say, if you get to know me,

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then you realise if I'm a Muslim or not by my practices.

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Some groups are openly against Ahmadi Muslims

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because of their beliefs, but say it is not about promoting

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violence, spreading hate or doing anything illegal.

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The Finality of the Prophets is one of them, the group share a name

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linked to a mosque in Stockwell, where leaflets called calling

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But the Academy claims it has nothing to do with them.

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Anyone who says that should be punished according to the law.

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I don't want to be associated with anyone who advocates any kind

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But you don't think Ahmadis are Muslim, do you?

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According to us, according to the word of consensus,

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Some Ahmadis are worried the problems in Pakistani are now

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This is blowing it out of proportion.

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And taking the problems of one country and making them into

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The government plans to try and tackle sectarian

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hatred under its counter extremism strategy.

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In a statement, the Home Office told us: Heavy security will continue

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to be a feature of some Ahmadi mosques in the near future.

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Though many are praying a time will come when it is no longer needed.

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It is not fair for us, it is totally unfair.

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It is too much for us and we feel helpless.

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We will talk more about the issue after 10am.

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Do you have confidence in the Culture Secretary

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who's in charge of newspapers in this country, to do his job

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properly, after he confirmed he had a relationship with a sex worker,

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a story which four newspapers chose not to publish.

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Many comments. Neil tweeted, "Not bothered by this and other stories

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doing the rounds." Ronald tweets, "MPs sleeping with prostitutes is

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nothing new and affects him doing his job as much as if he wore green

:32:10.:32:16.

or saw a rainbow once." Another viewer says, "John Whittingdale's

:32:17.:32:19.

imparality could have been compromised and we have to take a

:32:20.:32:24.

politician's word that it wasn't." Tom Tom tweets this, "It is not

:32:25.:32:29.

about prostitutes, it is about media silence on a story they would

:32:30.:32:35.

normally print." We will talk to Labour's culture spokeswoman after

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10am. Keep your views coming in.

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And it is the first of our weekly series looking at some

:32:42.:32:43.

of the big themes that could influence your decision

:32:44.:32:46.

on whether to vote stay in or leave the European Union.

:32:47.:32:48.

We'll talk two women who run their own businesses

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and we promise we'll speak only in plain English because some

:32:51.:32:53.

of the language around the debate is so unclear on occasion.

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Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

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Labour has called for the Culture Secretary John Whittingdale

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to withdraw from being involved in any decisions on press regulation

:33:11.:33:12.

after he confirmed that he'd been in a relationship with a woman

:33:13.:33:15.

Mr Whittingdale was single when he met the woman on the dating

:33:16.:33:21.

site match.com in August 2013, before he was in his current post.

:33:22.:33:24.

Downing Street said he was a "single man and entitled to a private life"

:33:25.:33:30.

and he had the full confidence of the Prime Minister.

:33:31.:33:33.

Four newspapers knew about the story but decided not to publish it saying

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He spoke to the media this morning. REPORTER: Can you really properly

:33:37.:33:48.

regulate the press after the revelations? I have made a

:33:49.:33:51.

statement. What about what Labour are saying? Nothing further.

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More than 2,000 pupils in Edinburgh, whose schools had been

:33:55.:33:56.

closed because of concerns about their structural safety,

:33:57.:33:58.

17 sites were shut last Friday amid fears over the standard

:33:59.:34:02.

A further 5,000 younger pupils will be spending

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a third day at home, and may not resume their studies

:34:09.:34:11.

Prosecutors in Panama City have raided the offices of the law

:34:12.:34:15.

Millions of confidential documents were leaked from the firm,

:34:16.:34:18.

revealing how some wealthy individuals used offshore companies.

:34:19.:34:23.

A company called Blairmore Holdings, set up by David Cameron's late

:34:24.:34:26.

Britain's biggest supermarket, Tesco, is back in profit.

:34:27.:34:32.

The company has reported its first sales growth in three years -

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reporting a pre-tax profit of ?162 million for last year.

:34:36.:34:39.

That compares to a loss of more than ?6 billion for the year before.

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A drive towards lower prices and fewer products is

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The company has also closed 60 unprofitable stores and sold off

:34:45.:34:48.

BT is to recruit people to work in its security business. The company

:34:49.:35:08.

said a number of high-profile security and data breaches that have

:35:09.:35:12.

dominated the headlines in recent months led to more consumers wanting

:35:13.:35:15.

to know how best they can protect themselves.

:35:16.:35:20.

A leading cancer charity is warning that obesity may be fuelling

:35:21.:35:23.

a significant rise in the number of women being diagnosed

:35:24.:35:25.

Cancer Research UK says the number of cases has almost doubled

:35:26.:35:29.

Around 9,000 women are found to have the disease every year

:35:30.:35:33.

in the UK, with around 2,00 deaths as a result.

:35:34.:35:40.

The British playwright Sir Arnold Wesker has died, aged 83,

:35:41.:35:42.

his wife Lady Wesker has confirmed to the BBC.

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The writer first came to prominence in the late 1950s for his gritty,

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working class dramas about everyday life.

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His wife said he died yesterday evening after a long illness.

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Hugh's back now with the sport headlines.

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Manchester City are through to the semi finals

:36:10.:36:11.

of the Champions League for the first time in their history.

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Kevin De Bruyne's goal was enough for a 1-0 second leg win

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at the Etihad over Paris St Germain sealing a 3-2 aggregate victory

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They're joined by Real Madrid. They had a 2-0 deficit to overcome

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against Wolfsburg and Cristiano Ronaldo did it all.

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His hattrick at the Bernabeu also giving Real a 3-2 overall win.

:36:28.:36:32.

Andy Murray's one out of one on clay this season.

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He won his first match of the year on the surface beating

:36:37.:36:40.

Frenchman Herbert in the second round of the Monte Carlo Masters.

:36:41.:36:43.

World Champion Adam Peaty is on his way to the Rio Olympics

:36:44.:36:45.

after winning 100 metre breaststroke gold at the British Swimming

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The 21-year-old qualifies for the Games hoping

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to add to the three world titles he won last year.

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That's all the sports headlines for you for now. Ilk back in a few

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minutes. -- I will be back.

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Made up your mind yet about whether you want this

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country to leave or remain in the European Union?

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You'll get the chance to vote on 23rd June,

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so still plenty of time - and it's totally your decision.

:37:16.:37:21.

Both sides are arguing it out arguing over things

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like immigration, security and the jobs, wages and the economy.

:37:25.:37:26.

Each week - between now and the day you vote -

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we're going to ask our political guru Norman Smith to take a look

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at one of these big themes - this week it's the economy -

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and explain it in clear, simple, plain English -

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before hearing from both sides on the issue.

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Thank you very much, Vic. Well, it is the biggy, the economy. It is the

:37:40.:37:45.

issue which Mr Cameron hopes will win him this referendum by a warning

:37:46.:37:49.

of the dangers of our economy if we pull out. Brexit campaigners say he

:37:50.:37:55.

is just trying to scare the pants off us. So what is the ghostly

:37:56.:38:03.

vision that Mr Cameron is trying to conjure up? First off, jobs. He says

:38:04.:38:09.

three million jobs are tied up with Europe. If we leave, they could be

:38:10.:38:13.

at risk. Second business, many businesses come to Britain because

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we're in the EU, companies like Nissan and BMW, would they still

:38:18.:38:22.

come here if we left? Prices, the cost of everything, he says, will go

:38:23.:38:28.

up. Things like air fares, cheap flights to the rest of Europe will

:38:29.:38:32.

cost more, he says, similarly the mobile phone bills will also go up.

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Listen to Mr Cameron warning about the dangers to our economy if we

:38:37.:38:40.

leave when he was speaking to students last week.

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We think it would be a bad decision to leave.

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It would be bad for our economy, bad for jobs, bad for investment,

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We think it would be bad for universities.

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So we have made a clear stance in this leaflet which I hope

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everyone will get a copy of in their home.

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You may think this sounds familiar. Well, it is. He remember we had that

:39:05.:39:12.

Scottish referendum and yes, the Government again, tried to warn

:39:13.:39:17.

about the dangers to the economy and were accused of running Project Fear

:39:18.:39:21.

in the Scottish referendum and at the heart of that was claims about

:39:22.:39:27.

the pound. Fears that if Scots voted for independence, they wouldn't be

:39:28.:39:30.

able to keep the pound. So what would happen to the Scottish

:39:31.:39:35.

currency? There were question marks about whether Scots could rely on

:39:36.:39:40.

oil prices which we know have subsequently plummeted. And the man

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who issued many of those warnings, the governor of the Bank of England,

:39:46.:39:50.

last month, he conjured up his own scary vision about what would happen

:39:51.:39:54.

to the economy in the UK if we left the EU saying there would be massive

:39:55.:40:00.

disruption, trade would suffer. We would be a less dynamic economy and

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he warned it could take months, years, of uncertainty which would

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hurt business in Britain. Now, what do those who want to leave do to

:40:12.:40:18.

bust those sort of ghostly visions? Well, here is Boris Johnson and

:40:19.:40:25.

Michael gO the Ghost Busters of the Brexit campaign. They say first off,

:40:26.:40:30.

red tape. British business would be freed of a whole load of cumbersome

:40:31.:40:37.

rules and regulations, we would become more dynamic if we left the

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European Union. Trade, we would be able to negotiate our own deals with

:40:42.:40:47.

other emerging countries. We want have to wait for the old lumbering

:40:48.:40:51.

EU to get its act togetherment we would get our international mojo

:40:52.:40:56.

back, we would feel liberated and become more entrepreneurial and

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Buccaneering and that was Boris Johnson's message a short time ago.

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Have a listen. It is precisely because we stayed out of the euro

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that we are now one of the most successful economies of Europe. And

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if we burst out of the shackles of Brussels, we would be able to begin

:41:14.:41:18.

immediately with those long neglected free trade opportunities

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which we can't do at the moment. We could strike free trade deals with

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America, with China, with the growth economies around the world with our

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officials, with UK officials. So, both sides may differ bitterly

:41:36.:41:39.

over what sort of impact it would have if we left the EU, but on one

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thing they do agree - the economy is absolutely central to this

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referendum campaign. STUDIO: Thank you, Norman.

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Let's talk now to two women her run their own businesses.

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Sarah Bell, the head of Tempus Energy,

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a company that tries to help its customers

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cut their energy bills using smart technology.

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She's signed up to support the Britain Stronger in Europe

:42:06.:42:08.

campaign, so she'll be voting for the UK to remain

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Farzana Baduel, Founder and Managing Director of Curzon PR.

:42:11.:42:13.

She recently signed an open letter to the Prime Minister calling

:42:14.:42:16.

for Britain to leave the EU, in order she says, to be more

:42:17.:42:19.

independent when it comes to trade and migration.

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Welcome both of you, thank you very much for coming on the programme. So

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the list of big global organisations as well as British organisations

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saying that there will be instability, job losses, years of

:42:32.:42:35.

uncertainty if Britain votes to leave, do you say that won't happen?

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I think if we remain in Europe there is going to be certainty that we're

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going to continue with the stifling bureaucracy. And if Britain leaves?

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Then it will be wonderful because our politicians will be free to make

:42:50.:42:53.

decisions based upon UK economy rather than a collective Europe. So

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do you dismiss the job losses and the instability? I believe that they

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will be short-term jitters. Jitters. What does that mean? For people

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watching does that mean they will lose their job or their boss will

:43:10.:43:12.

get nervous? There is a number of people who are sitting on the fence

:43:13.:43:15.

in terms of investing because they are waiting to see the outcome of

:43:16.:43:18.

the referendum. However in the medium-term to long-term, I believe

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Britain would be better in terms of its economy outside of Europe for a

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number of reasons. First of all, trade. Why are we tying ourselves to

:43:25.:43:29.

Europe when it is a stagnant economy. Most of my business comes

:43:30.:43:32.

from emerging markets and I travel around the world and there is this

:43:33.:43:36.

wonderful feeling that the UK is a country that people around the world

:43:37.:43:39.

want to do business with. They want to come and educate their children

:43:40.:43:43.

here. We have the most incredible soft power that a lot of countries

:43:44.:43:47.

in Europe don't possess. What does soft power mean? The UK is perceived

:43:48.:43:51.

as quite sexy around the world. People want to come here and travel

:43:52.:43:55.

and educate the kids here and do business here. They can do that now?

:43:56.:43:59.

They can do that now, but we don't have the power to build by lateral

:44:00.:44:03.

trade relations with a number of countries outside the EU. We have to

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do it with Europe and Europe is taking time because of the

:44:08.:44:10.

bureaucracy and they don't represent the interests of the UK. They

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represent the interests of the collective. Well, on that point

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then, Sarah, being in the European Union means Britain does not have

:44:19.:44:25.

control of its own trade policy. We, you know, EU trade representatives

:44:26.:44:29.

with the competing interests of 28 member countries trying to get deals

:44:30.:44:32.

with India. They have been discussing a free trade deal for

:44:33.:44:36.

nine years, is it? It is embarrassing. No wonder it takes

:44:37.:44:40.

Canada, you know, seven years to get some kind of deal with the EU

:44:41.:44:43.

because there are so many countries with those competing interests, do

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you not accept Britain could be free to do that in a more efficient,

:44:47.:44:51.

speedy way and that would be dynamic for Britain's economy? I think it is

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a fallacy to think negotiating trade agreements will be speedy. Those are

:44:57.:45:00.

lengthy and drawn out negotiations. If we exit now, we remove ourselves

:45:01.:45:05.

from an enormous opportunity that has come from unifying European

:45:06.:45:10.

policies, climate change represents the biggest economic development

:45:11.:45:13.

opportunity of our time. Companies like mine that have developed

:45:14.:45:17.

technology to under pin the future energy system. The reason why Europe

:45:18.:45:22.

represents an enormous opportunity is because Europe decided to be a

:45:23.:45:26.

frontrunner in doing renewable policies, in having energy and

:45:27.:45:30.

climate policies that drive that agenda forward to take maximum

:45:31.:45:35.

advantage out of that, we can develop technologies, but business

:45:36.:45:38.

models and services that can be marketed to those economies that are

:45:39.:45:42.

right for them. In the last two weeks, my company has been contacted

:45:43.:45:48.

by companies in three separate European countries that are

:45:49.:45:51.

interested in our technology because they recognise... If Britain was

:45:52.:45:55.

outside the European Union, those three countries would have still got

:45:56.:45:59.

in touch with your companies? The way we do business with them and the

:46:00.:46:03.

opportunity of the reunification of energy policy, we can build a

:46:04.:46:06.

platform that can be servicing all European countries because we

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understand, you know, a common European energy trading market. Do

:46:11.:46:14.

you accept that? There is uniform standards across these 28 countries

:46:15.:46:18.

which British business can take advantage of? They don't have to

:46:19.:46:23.

make different products for those 28 countries because we've got

:46:24.:46:27.

consistency and that reduces costs. That's a good thing for British

:46:28.:46:28.

business? I think you have to look at the

:46:29.:46:35.

other side. British businesses have high barriers to entry because of

:46:36.:46:39.

the increased regulations coming out of Europe. A lot of the people

:46:40.:46:42.

campaigning for remaining within Europe tend to be big businesses. I

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run a small business and I don't have these teams of lawyers in house

:46:48.:46:52.

and teams of lobbyists who can go to Brussels on my behalf and influence

:46:53.:46:56.

decisions from there. Are you saying you have barriers now when it comes

:46:57.:47:00.

to doing business with the rest of Europe? I have an office in New

:47:01.:47:07.

York, an office in Dubai but I don't have any offices in Europe. The

:47:08.:47:10.

economic growth I've seen has come from the areas expanding outside

:47:11.:47:16.

Europe. Are their barriers, despite Britain being in the single market,

:47:17.:47:24.

in this big market with 500 million customers, you have barriers, is

:47:25.:47:27.

that what you're saying? Just to clarify. First of all, economic

:47:28.:47:32.

growth. Whether we like it or not, the economic growth is moving

:47:33.:47:35.

eastwards. A lot of my business is coming from India and China. London

:47:36.:47:39.

is a very global city, the wonderful thing about London is that everybody

:47:40.:47:43.

comes over here and the opportunity that I saw were not setting up an

:47:44.:47:48.

office in Europe... Sorry to interrupt, Britain is a member of

:47:49.:47:52.

the European Union, there is no free trade agreement with India. As a PR

:47:53.:47:56.

company based in Britain, selling your services in India, are their

:47:57.:48:01.

taxes that you have to pay? Tariffs that you have to pay? Are there

:48:02.:48:06.

regulatory barriers or not? The wonderful thing about setting up an

:48:07.:48:09.

office in India and emerging markets is that I'm going out there with the

:48:10.:48:15.

brand of Britain. They perceive the UK is a very strong brand and that

:48:16.:48:19.

helps me get business from these emerging markets. There is no

:48:20.:48:24.

financial barriers to you doing trade there? No financial barriers

:48:25.:48:27.

at the moment in terms of me doing trade there but if the UK and India

:48:28.:48:32.

could have its own bilateral trade agreement it would make our business

:48:33.:48:38.

a lot stronger. The Indian Prime Minister and David Cameron have had

:48:39.:48:41.

a lot of meetings where they have discussed collaborating, but we

:48:42.:48:43.

haven't yet had a bilateral agreement with India. Britain would

:48:44.:48:51.

have to start from scratch. The EU has been talking to India for nine

:48:52.:48:55.

years! Britain would have to start from scratch. Not least America,

:48:56.:49:02.

South Korea, Vietnam, all the places the EU already has trade deals with.

:49:03.:49:08.

The UK, it's easy to be nimble and go and open up offices around the

:49:09.:49:12.

world. But you can do that with Britain as a member of the European

:49:13.:49:17.

Union. I've seen the economic opportunities outside Europe, I've

:49:18.:49:21.

not seen them inside Europe. For us to hang the petticoats of Europe

:49:22.:49:25.

because we are too scared to go on our own, I think it is a defeatist

:49:26.:49:30.

mentality. Is it about being scared, Sarah? I don't think so,. There

:49:31.:49:35.

hasn't been enough discussion about what it would cost Britain to

:49:36.:49:39.

negotiate with those countries. By the cost, you mean in terms of, it

:49:40.:49:44.

could take years so there will be instability and it won't be clear

:49:45.:49:47.

what the rules are and that could lead to job losses. Is that what you

:49:48.:49:52.

mean by cost? Also the focus and time, definitely some of that aside,

:49:53.:49:56.

the enormous amounts of legal fees that we will be required to

:49:57.:50:01.

negotiate, the treaties with individual countries, they all add

:50:02.:50:05.

to the prospect but also the focus of government, I would much rather

:50:06.:50:09.

this government were focused on economic development, pushing our

:50:10.:50:12.

innovation businesses into new markets including Europe as well as

:50:13.:50:16.

the rest of the world, instead of spending lots of time trying to

:50:17.:50:20.

renegotiate treaties. If we leave Europe now, we're getting away from

:50:21.:50:24.

markets that we could immediately enter and that is not going to be

:50:25.:50:29.

good for jobs and growth. In the Economist last week they reported

:50:30.:50:33.

that since we have been in Europe, trade with European countries has

:50:34.:50:39.

increased by 55%, that is a very large opportunity for British

:50:40.:50:43.

businesses. Yes but you will know that Britain's trade with Europe is

:50:44.:50:48.

degreasing, it used to be much higher, say in 2006, and actually

:50:49.:50:52.

our trade with the emerging markets we have talked about is on the

:50:53.:50:57.

increase. For some areas. In the area I worked in, because there is

:50:58.:51:01.

cemetery new abode generation in places like Germany, Spain,

:51:02.:51:05.

Portugal, actually the ability to more cost effectively manage their

:51:06.:51:09.

system, that opportunity is actually increasing. I'm focused on the

:51:10.:51:17.

energies sector. Of course, and people will hear what you both say

:51:18.:51:21.

and hopefully absorb some of the information and hopefully make their

:51:22.:51:28.

own minds up. Very briefly. 350 million a week, I read, I was

:51:29.:51:31.

reading an article. That is shocking. That is what Britain pays

:51:32.:51:38.

into the European Union and Britain gets back 190 million a week. What

:51:39.:51:44.

Britain pays net per week is 160 million. Every week we pay 160

:51:45.:51:49.

million. On top of that we're outsourcing our control over our

:51:50.:51:53.

borders, we're outsourcing control in terms of our economy. I just

:51:54.:51:58.

think it's madness. But that doesn't account for the benefit that is into

:51:59.:52:03.

Britain. We're taking that into account in the rebate. But you're

:52:04.:52:07.

talking about other benefits. Like trade and economic development.

:52:08.:52:11.

Still to come on the programme, we hear from Ramadi Muslims, a minority

:52:12.:52:18.

sect in the UK who fear from their -- fear for their safety after a

:52:19.:52:22.

number of extreme attacks from other Muslims. -- Ahmadi Muslims.

:52:23.:52:27.

Tomorrow it will be two years since 276 schoolgirls were abducted

:52:28.:52:30.

from northeast Nigeria by the militant Islamist

:52:31.:52:32.

Some managed to escape but 219 are still missing.

:52:33.:52:36.

The kidnapping sparked outrage around the globe and the hashtag

:52:37.:52:41.

#bringbackourgirls was used by Michelle Obama, Malala,

:52:42.:52:46.

Julia Roberts and Cara Delevigne, among many others.

:52:47.:52:48.

There is no evidence of where the girls may be held or

:52:49.:53:03.

There will be demonstrations across Nigeria today to call

:53:04.:53:07.

for the safe return of the girls, while remembering all

:53:08.:53:10.

These parents spoke to the BBC back in 2014, after their

:53:11.:53:13.

I can't eat, I can't sleep, I even have an ulcer.

:53:14.:53:21.

Sometimes I feel very faint due to worry.

:53:22.:53:23.

Often they start crying and calling out for their sibling

:53:24.:53:28.

They must be sitting on their backsides, the government,

:53:29.:53:32.

otherwise they would have found and rescued those girls.

:53:33.:53:34.

But to date their efforts have yielded no fruit.

:53:35.:53:39.

When we go to bed we are scared and worried.

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Sometimes we don't go to bed for fear, we just stay up.

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TRANSLATION: Honestly, there is a lot of fear.

:53:55.:53:56.

All we can do is put our faith in God and hope that

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TRANSLATION: The government is doing nothing at all.

:54:02.:54:05.

Honestly, if they were doing anything serious they would have

:54:06.:54:07.

I honestly don't see any effort they are making.

:54:08.:54:12.

Let's talk now to the head of the foundation which is campaigning for

:54:13.:54:25.

the girls to be brought home. She is in the Nigerian capital, Abuja.

:54:26.:54:32.

Thank you for talking to us. Aisha, first of all, what role has your

:54:33.:54:42.

organisation played in trying to get the schoolgirls back? One of the

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things we've tried to do is help the community built facilities and show

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them the support of the family members. The challenge we faced...

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OK, sorry... Do carry on. OK. It was important to realise that these

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girls are not just a number. We talk about numbers like 219 but at the

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end of the day we're talking about parents who have lost their

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children, we're talking about communities that have been

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devastated. So it was up to us to work with them in terms of

:55:34.:55:37.

comforting them and in terms of how to rebuild their schools and their

:55:38.:55:46.

communities. In the last few months, we have also been able to interview

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at least 203 parents, out of which the seven were parents of girls that

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had actually escaped at the beginning of the abduction, and we

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have been able to photograph them. Because it's also important...

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The Skype obviously keeps freezing, but we will come back to Aisha,

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because I have more questions for her. Is the Nigerian government

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doing enough to try and rescue these girls from the Islamist militants?

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Essentially, Amnesty International thinks that the Nigerian government

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isn't doing enough. At the time of the abduction of these girls, two

:56:28.:56:30.

years ago now, the Nigerian authorities were woefully slow and

:56:31.:56:36.

inadequate in trying to actually get around to protecting and rescuing

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them. Two years, 219 girls are still missing. Aisha is right, they are

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more than just a number, but unfortunately the number is so great

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that we have to talk in numbers. That is 219 goals and young women

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who were abducted two years ago and Boko Haram has actually abducted

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2000 girls. That is a staggering and horrifying number. And in some cases

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using them as suicide bombers. Exactly. Many of these women have no

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choice, they have been brainwashed to become suicide bombers. Sometimes

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they don't even know they have had explosives strapped to them.

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Absolutely, it is absolutely devastating. Those who are not used

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as suicide bombers are taken as wives. More needs to be done to

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protect them. Aisha, you talked about trying to comfort some of the

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parents and these are mums and dads who have no idea if their daughters

:57:39.:57:41.

are dead or alive and the last two years must have been the most

:57:42.:57:44.

excruciating and painful situation of limbo for them. Are they hopeful

:57:45.:57:50.

that they will see their daughters again? I think there in motion 's

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fluctuate. They go from being buried the press to also being optimistic,

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which is to be expected. -- go from being very depressed to being

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optimistic. There are reports to them of sightings which are

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sometimes difficult to verify. If you recall, very recently the young

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girl who was found in Cameroon with explosives strapped to her had

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said... It was a particularly ethical time for these parents. They

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wanted to identify her. -- particularly difficult time. It was

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confirmed that there was a possibility that some of these girls

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were being used as suicide bombers. It was found out that she was

:58:50.:58:56.

abducted about a year ago, which is equally tragic. You're saying the

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Nigerian government has to do more. What does that mean in practical

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terms? They need to improve security in the north-east and we need to CNN

:59:08.:59:11.

to these kidnappings and these killings of innocent people. In

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addition, they need to track these girls, they need to be able to

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rescue them and then once they are back in these communities, to

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provide the adequate psychosocial care and support that they need.

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They have been trying to track them. If they could have rescued them,

:59:28.:59:30.

presumably they would have done. That is a question you would like to

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ask. You don't think they have been trying that much? We're looking at

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two years on, 24 months, and the message bring back our girls remains

:59:41.:59:44.

as alive as it did two years ago. That shouldn't be the case. There

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needs to be rescuing of these girls and the 2000 other girls who have

:59:49.:59:53.

been kidnapped and taken into this militant group. Aisha, a rescue

:59:54.:59:57.

operation can sound simple. Presumably it's not, or is it? You

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tell me. Is that what government forces could have done and still do?

:00:02.:00:06.

Definitely. I think that at the very beginning a lot more could have been

:00:07.:00:09.

done. I know it is quite unfortunate. What about now? I think

:00:10.:00:16.

now we still need to do a lot. In the last two weeks, it has been

:00:17.:01:15.

It is important there a co-ordination between the State

:01:16.:01:18.

authorities and the federal authorities. That's important so the

:01:19.:01:26.

effort will yield better and much quicker results. Thank you both of

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you. Thank you very much for talking to us this morning.

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Labour says the Culture Secretary, John Whittingdale, is compromised

:01:42.:01:48.

after the press knew about, but decided not to publish details

:01:49.:01:51.

concerning his relationship with a sex worker. We'll talk to a Labour

:01:52.:01:58.

politician and also a former tabloid journalist after 10am.

:01:59.:02:01.

Now, it is time for the weather. Here is Chris.

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It is Alex, Victoria. There is a big contrast with the weather over the

:02:10.:02:12.

next few days, we have got low pressure down to the south-west of

:02:13.:02:15.

the UK, but it is to the moving across the UK quickly. It is

:02:16.:02:19.

sluggish. That means for some big contrasts. We have cracking sunshine

:02:20.:02:23.

like we had yesterday. This view taken in the Isle of Wight. You can

:02:24.:02:26.

see mist there and there was thick fog around in a few spots this

:02:27.:02:30.

morning, but that's clearing away to reveal sunshine in places, but other

:02:31.:02:34.

parts of the UK, staying dull and dismal. Tommy's Hill, this picture

:02:35.:02:43.

taken on the Scottish Borders, because the weather patterns aren't

:02:44.:02:47.

shifting, if you have got the rain this morning, it is like to still be

:02:48.:02:52.

raining this afternoon. The thick area of cloud continuing

:02:53.:02:56.

to bring outbreaks of rain. The far north of Scotland should hang on to

:02:57.:03:00.

brightness and although some rain will trickle into parts of

:03:01.:03:04.

Yorkshire, brighter than yesterday. Further south, yes, sunny spells

:03:05.:03:07.

likely, but also showers getting going. Heavy, possibly thundery ones

:03:08.:03:12.

developing. The far north of Scotland dry and bright, but there

:03:13.:03:15.

is a keen breeze blowing here. Even with sunshine, it is not

:03:16.:03:19.

spectacularly warm, but feeling cool under that bank of rain through

:03:20.:03:21.

Northern Ireland, Southern Scotland and the far north of England, just

:03:22.:03:26.

eight or nine Celsius, compare and contrast further south, 16s, 17s,

:03:27.:03:29.

maybe 18 Celsius with sunshine. As well as the sunshine, you will have

:03:30.:03:33.

to dodge the downpours. Not everywhere will catch a downpour,

:03:34.:03:36.

but they could be thundery ones later this afternoon and into this

:03:37.:03:40.

evening. Still some of those heavy showers scattered across the heart

:03:41.:03:43.

of England and Wales. Still some of that persistent rain across

:03:44.:03:46.

north-east England and south-east Scotland overnight. Elsewhere, it

:03:47.:03:50.

does turn drier and it will be milder in the south tonight. Last

:03:51.:03:52.

night we had a touch of frost through Wiltshire and Somerset.

:03:53.:03:55.

Tonight, temperatures holding up above freezing here. In Northern

:03:56.:03:59.

Scotland, maybe a touch of frost through the Scottish glens. Again,

:04:00.:04:03.

Northern Scotland should see bright weather tomorrow and overall a

:04:04.:04:06.

brighter day along with Northern Ireland compared to today.

:04:07.:04:09.

North-east England cheering up too after a damp start. For England and

:04:10.:04:12.

Wales, again, it is dodge the downpours. Some heavy, spring

:04:13.:04:18.

showers developing even a few thunderstorms, but still some warm

:04:19.:04:22.

sunshine. We could see temperatures of 17 Celsius. So we keep the

:04:23.:04:26.

contrasts for the next couple of days. The low pressure system we

:04:27.:04:29.

have been talking about for days just getting closer and closer

:04:30.:04:32.

through Friday and the week and that's going to bring more

:04:33.:04:35.

persistent rain during Friday in particular. It could be a soggy

:04:36.:04:38.

affair. The winds starting to increase. Colder air drifting down

:04:39.:04:43.

from the north as well. It all sets us up for a mixed picture through

:04:44.:04:47.

the weekend, it will be wet and windy for many of us on Saturday. We

:04:48.:04:51.

should something drier by Sunday and certainly across the south, it will

:04:52.:04:59.

be turning colder. Thank you, Alex. I'm sorry for

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calling you Chris! Labour says the Culture Secretary

:05:04.:05:10.

shouldn't be involved in any further decisions on press regulation

:05:11.:05:25.

after he confirmed a relationship with a sex worker before

:05:26.:05:27.

he was a government minister. Four newspapers knew about the story

:05:28.:05:29.

but decided not to run it. Campaigners against press abuses say

:05:30.:05:32.

he has questions to answer. John Whittingdale needs to be clear

:05:33.:05:37.

if he told the Prime Minister. If he hid it from the Prime Minister then

:05:38.:05:38.

he is in real trouble. Has the killing of a Glasgow

:05:39.:05:53.

shopkeeper exposed hatred and prejudice within

:05:54.:05:55.

the Muslim community? We've been told of fears that one

:05:56.:05:56.

sect could be vulnerable to attacks They said, "We will

:05:57.:06:00.

cut you into pieces. "We will break your legs

:06:01.:06:03.

and we will even cut your neck, More women are being

:06:04.:06:05.

diagnosed with womb cancer Researchers say obesity and a lack

:06:06.:06:15.

of exercise could be to blame? Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:06:16.:06:26.

with a summary of today's news. Labour has called for the Culture

:06:27.:06:37.

Secretary John Whittingdale to withdraw from being involved

:06:38.:06:39.

in any decisions on press regulation after he confirmed that he'd been

:06:40.:06:42.

in a relationship with a woman Mr Whittingdale was single

:06:43.:06:45.

when he met the woman on the dating site match.com in August 2013,

:06:46.:06:49.

before he was in his current post. Downing Street said he was a "single

:06:50.:06:52.

man and entitled to a private life" and he had the full confidence

:06:53.:06:55.

of the Prime Minister. Four newspapers knew about the story

:06:56.:06:57.

but decided not to publish it. Journalists asked questions

:06:58.:07:00.

as he left home this morning. REPORTER: Can you regulate the press

:07:01.:07:17.

after last night's revelations? I have made a statement, I have

:07:18.:07:20.

nothing to add. What about what Labour are saying?

:07:21.:07:31.

More than Nothingment 2,000 pupils in Edinburgh,

:07:32.:07:33.

closed because of concerns about their structural safety,

:07:34.:07:36.

17 sites were shut last Friday amid fears over the standard

:07:37.:07:40.

A further 5,000 younger pupils will be spending a third day

:07:41.:07:44.

at home, and may not resume their studies until next

:07:45.:07:46.

Students preparing for Scottish Highers and other exams

:07:47.:07:50.

They are either returning to their own school or have been

:07:51.:07:54.

Students didn't return to school following the Easter holidays

:07:55.:07:57.

after Edinburgh Council closed a total of 17 schools

:07:58.:07:59.

The problems were first uncovered in January when part

:08:00.:08:02.

of a wall at one school collapsed during high winds.

:08:03.:08:05.

Other schools were closed after inspections revealed problems

:08:06.:08:07.

with the way walls and roofs had been built.

:08:08.:08:09.

Today, three schools, Drummond, Firrhill and Royal High

:08:10.:08:11.

are partially reopening because the areas causing structural

:08:12.:08:13.

Two at Gracemount and Craigmount are sending their pupils elsewhere,

:08:14.:08:16.

but their teachers will go with them to ensure some level

:08:17.:08:19.

But that still leaves almost 5,000 pupils off school for a third day

:08:20.:08:30.

The remaining affected secondary, primary and special needs pupils

:08:31.:08:33.

are likely to be given somewhere to resume lessons

:08:34.:08:35.

There is still uncertainty about where that will be.

:08:36.:08:43.

So they will be in a different building, but they will be taught

:08:44.:08:46.

by their usual teachers in their usual class.

:08:47.:08:48.

So there should be very little difference to their study except

:08:49.:08:50.

It's a very logistical exercise, but I'm pleased to say my team have

:08:51.:08:55.

done a fantastic job at getting those logistics together.

:08:56.:09:01.

All 17 schools were built as part of the city's

:09:02.:09:03.

The scale of repairs are as yet unknown and the disruption

:09:04.:09:08.

Prosecutors in Panama City have raided the offices of the law

:09:09.:09:18.

Millions of confidential documents were leaked from the firm,

:09:19.:09:22.

revealing how some wealthy individuals used offshore companies.

:09:23.:09:24.

A company called Blairmore Holdings, set up by David Cameron's late

:09:25.:09:27.

Britain's biggest supermarket, Tesco, is back in profit.

:09:28.:09:37.

The company has reported its first sales growth in three years -

:09:38.:09:40.

reporting a pre-tax profit of ?162 million for last year.

:09:41.:09:42.

That compares to a loss of more than ?6 billion for the year before.

:09:43.:09:45.

A drive towards lower prices and fewer products is

:09:46.:09:48.

The company has also closed 60 unprofitable stores and sold off

:09:49.:09:51.

BT is to recruit 900 people to work in its security business.

:09:52.:10:01.

It's part of a major drive to protect consumers,

:10:02.:10:03.

businesses and governments from the growing

:10:04.:10:05.

The company said a number of high-profile security and data

:10:06.:10:09.

breaches that have dominated the headlines in recent months has

:10:10.:10:11.

led to more consumers wanting to know how best

:10:12.:10:13.

High rates of unemployment in southern and eastern Europe have

:10:14.:10:24.

been named as among the key factors driving an increase in the number

:10:25.:10:27.

Over the last five years the number of EU nationals living in the UK

:10:28.:10:32.

has gone up by almost 700,000 to 3.3 million.

:10:33.:10:34.

account for 80% of that increase - Spain, Italy, Portugal,

:10:35.:10:37.

A leading cancer charity is warning that obesity may be fuelling

:10:38.:10:52.

a significant rise in the number of women being diagnosed

:10:53.:10:55.

Cancer Research UK says the number of cases has almost doubled

:10:56.:10:58.

Around 9,000 women are found to have the disease every year

:10:59.:11:06.

in the UK, with around 2,000 deaths as a result.

:11:07.:11:12.

A BBC investigation has found that police officers in England and Wales

:11:13.:11:16.

have seized almost 5,000 dogs in the last three years -

:11:17.:11:18.

on suspicion that they are banned breeds.

:11:19.:11:24.

The RSPCA is calling for the Dangerous Dogs Act to be updated

:11:25.:11:26.

to ensure dogs are judged on their behaviour alone.

:11:27.:11:29.

But the government says a ban on certain breeds helps manage

:11:30.:11:32.

the heightened risk those animals pose.

:11:33.:11:41.

The British playwright Sir Arnold Wesker has died, aged 83,

:11:42.:11:43.

his wife Lady Wesker has confirmed to the BBC.

:11:44.:11:45.

The writer first came to prominence in the late 1950s for his gritty,

:11:46.:11:49.

working class dramas about everyday life.

:11:50.:11:50.

His wife said he died yesterday evening after a long illness.

:11:51.:11:56.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:11:57.:11:58.

Over the next hour we'll bring you the latest breaking news

:11:59.:12:06.

and developing stories and any comments.

:12:07.:12:11.

We will speak to Labour's cull tier spokeswoman in a moment. John says,

:12:12.:12:18.

"I don't know why we are talking about this. Surely there are more

:12:19.:12:23.

important issues that affect us. Pathetic." Another viewer says,

:12:24.:12:27.

"People in power need to be whiter than white." Ali tweets, "A single

:12:28.:12:33.

man has a relationship with a single woman, what's the story?" Sam says,

:12:34.:12:38.

"It is not about the woman being a sex worker, it is about the press

:12:39.:12:41.

holding something over him when he is in charge of press regulation."

:12:42.:12:46.

This texter says, "Whittingdale sleaze, slar public servant paid

:12:47.:12:52.

through public purse." Graham texts, "The action of Government ministers

:12:53.:12:56.

should be exemplary. When not, we have good cause to complain. Every

:12:57.:13:00.

day citizens like you and me can dodge our taxes or get mixed up with

:13:01.:13:03.

prostitutes. Members of the Government can't and shouldn't."

:13:04.:13:06.

More in a second. Here is Hugh with the sport.

:13:07.:13:18.

Manchester City are celebrating. It was a 1-0 win over Paris St Germain

:13:19.:13:29.

and a place in the last four for them. They are joined by this man

:13:30.:13:34.

and Real Madrid. Cristiano Ronaldo helped them overcome a 2-0 deficit.

:13:35.:13:41.

He did it all. His hat-trick at was enough to give them a 3-2 overall

:13:42.:13:46.

win. Andy Murray is one out of one on clay. He won his first match of

:13:47.:13:53.

the year on the surface beating Pierre-Hugues Herbert. And Adam Pety

:13:54.:14:04.

is on his way to the Rio Olympics. Just 21, but he qualifies for the

:14:05.:14:08.

Games and hoping to add to the three world titles he won last year. I

:14:09.:14:09.

will have more later on for you. Labour have called for

:14:10.:14:13.

the Culture Secretary to withdraw from being involved in any decisions

:14:14.:14:15.

on press regulation after John Whittingdale confirmed

:14:16.:14:17.

that he had been in a relationship Mr Whittingdale was single

:14:18.:14:20.

when he met her on the dating site match.com in August 2013,

:14:21.:14:28.

before he was in his current post. Downing Street says he was a single

:14:29.:14:42.

man and had the right to a private life.

:14:43.:14:49.

Four newspapers knew about the story, but decided not to publish

:14:50.:14:53.

it. The Sun said they were not making any comment. The Independent

:14:54.:14:57.

did not return our calls. The editor of the Mail on Sunday was

:14:58.:15:01.

unavailable to speak to us and no comment was made. And a spokesman

:15:02.:15:06.

for the Trinity Mirror Group, they own the Sunday People was looking

:15:07.:15:09.

into providing a statement, but nothing has cold through from them

:15:10.:15:12.

yet. Mr John Whittingdale left his home

:15:13.:15:15.

on the way to work and was greeted by reporters.

:15:16.:15:20.

I have made a statement. I have nothing further to add. Shouldn't be

:15:21.:15:30.

taking decisions about... Nothing further to add. Maria Eagle, good

:15:31.:15:40.

morning. What is the problem here? The problem is not about whatever he

:15:41.:15:46.

gets up to in his private life, he is entitled to whatever he gets up

:15:47.:15:50.

to in his private life. The issue here is that he regulates and is

:15:51.:15:54.

responsible for press regulation and it's about perceptions. Before the

:15:55.:15:57.

election there was cross-party agreement that the Leveson Inquiry's

:15:58.:16:01.

accommodations ought to be in demented, and the addition of Mr

:16:02.:16:06.

Whittingdale has changed from before the election to after the election,

:16:07.:16:10.

when he is now responsible for doing that implementation and the question

:16:11.:16:14.

is now whether or not in view of these regulations he ought to now

:16:15.:16:19.

just step back from taking those decisions simply because of the way

:16:20.:16:24.

it looks and the way in which perceptions are important in

:16:25.:16:29.

politics. I think that is the issue will stop its about whether or not

:16:30.:16:34.

he should be taking those -- these decisions, in view of these

:16:35.:16:38.

regulations. It's nothing to do with what he gets up to in his private

:16:39.:16:40.

life, which is a matter for him. Since he became the Secretary of

:16:41.:16:52.

State and since the election he had decided not to implement part of the

:16:53.:16:58.

cross-party agreement. What point are you making there? The point that

:16:59.:17:03.

I'm making is that there is a perception, the possibility of the

:17:04.:17:07.

fact that he's done this because of, he knew that these revelations were

:17:08.:17:12.

available to newspapers, perceptions are important in politics and I

:17:13.:17:17.

think it would be better now if he didn't take these decisions about

:17:18.:17:22.

implementation simply because of what happened. I'm not saying that

:17:23.:17:27.

he shouldn't have done whatever he did in his private life, I'm not

:17:28.:17:31.

interested in that. But his position has changed from before the election

:17:32.:17:34.

to after the election on press regulation and I think that the

:17:35.:17:38.

perceptions that that may be because of this story is important. I think

:17:39.:17:45.

he needs to therefore step back in respect of this particular Anju

:17:46.:17:50.

influence and allow someone else to take these decisions about

:17:51.:17:55.

implementing Leveson. There was an agreement beforehand cross-party

:17:56.:17:57.

that Levinson should be lamented in respect of part two of the inquiry

:17:58.:18:03.

and in respect of the cost provisions, commencing section four

:18:04.:18:09.

of the crime and Courts act, and the perception from before the election

:18:10.:18:12.

to after the election has changed and the question will legitimately

:18:13.:18:16.

be asked, is it anything to do with these facts and these revelations

:18:17.:18:20.

about his private life? Do you think it is? I don't know and nobody knows

:18:21.:18:25.

apart from the Secretary of State and the editors what the real

:18:26.:18:27.

position is. Vista Whittingdale himself has said that there was

:18:28.:18:34.

absolutely no conflict of interest. He hasn't done anything differently

:18:35.:18:37.

as a result of what happened in his private life and the fact that

:18:38.:18:41.

newspapers new and chose not to publish it. There was an agreement

:18:42.:18:46.

cross-party placed onto the statute book in the crime and Courts act

:18:47.:18:51.

about cost provisions for those newspapers, being applied to

:18:52.:18:54.

newspapers who don't comply with it, who don't join the Levinson

:18:55.:19:00.

compliant regulator and he has universally decided he will not

:19:01.:19:06.

commence those revisions. It is about whether or not he was

:19:07.:19:09.

adversely influenced in that respect and I think you would be better for

:19:10.:19:13.

him and better for the government if somebody else were making those

:19:14.:19:17.

decisions. That is the simple point I'm making, that there cannot be any

:19:18.:19:20.

perception of undue influence. At the moment the way things stand,

:19:21.:19:23.

there is that perception and I think he should step back from making

:19:24.:19:30.

these decisions. What about the other decisions? He is also in

:19:31.:19:34.

charge of media and mergers, should he stepped back from that? He should

:19:35.:19:40.

certainly recuse himself from these decisions about Levinson. He has two

:19:41.:19:44.

R Kinsella whether there is any perception of undue influence. And

:19:45.:19:49.

he should have a very clear think about that. He already has. You know

:19:50.:19:56.

his statement, there was no... He hasn't done anything differently as

:19:57.:20:02.

a result and I think perceptions... I think perceptions matter in

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politics. We have seen that over the Panama papers. Perceptions matter

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and trust in politics matters and what we can't have is a Secretary of

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State who, there is a potential perception that he is being overly

:20:15.:20:18.

influenced by stories that the media may have on him and whether or not

:20:19.:20:23.

they should be printed. I think he needs to step back from these

:20:24.:20:28.

decisions and I think that the Prime Minister is keen to make sure that

:20:29.:20:32.

the victims of phone hacking are properly dealt with, as he promised

:20:33.:20:37.

before the election. He needs to make sure that the -- there is no

:20:38.:20:42.

perception that the person making those decisions is unduly influenced

:20:43.:20:46.

by stories the media may have on him. I just want to read his

:20:47.:20:50.

statement because it is worth it for our audience.

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Do you think, why do you think the newspapers didn't publish this

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story? I don't know, you have to ask the editors that. I'm not interested

:21:21.:21:26.

in second-guessing editors's decisions, what I'm saying is that

:21:27.:21:30.

perception matters. He is responsible for press regulation,

:21:31.:21:35.

there was an agreement cross-party placed before the last general

:21:36.:21:41.

election, placed into legislation, and we need to make sure that these

:21:42.:21:44.

revelations have nothing to do and are seen to have nothing to do with

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the way he is now changing apperception is on the half of the

:21:52.:21:55.

government. That means you don't take John Whittingdale at his word

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when he says... No, it means that perceptions matter in politics. If

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he thinks carefully about this, he would want to recuse himself from

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these decisions. Should he have told the Prime Minister about this

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relationship and the fact that some stories were sniffing around the

:22:13.:22:15.

stories of the relationship before he took the job as Culture

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Secretary? I think it would probably have been expected that something of

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this significance should have been discussed, but that is a matter for

:22:27.:22:30.

him and it's a matter for the Prime Minister. The reality is I'm not

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interested in his private life, I'm interested in the perception of the

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person making decisions about press regulation appearing to have the

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press having an embarrassing story that they can hold over him. Thank

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you very much, Maria Eagle, who is Labour's culture spokeswoman.

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Here with me are Neil Wallis, a former Deputy Editor of the News

:22:51.:22:53.

of the World and Daisy Cooper, who is joint executive director

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It says on its website that it campaigns for a free and accountable

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press. Let's take that point about perception, Neil. Do you accept

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that? I think you can throw together any conspiracy theories you like.

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Perceptions do matter in politics, don't they? They do and we can put

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together all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories and create a

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perception. That's what Hacked Off, that's what Labour and the BBC are

:23:27.:23:30.

doing here today, they are creating a conspiracy suggesting that somehow

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the media, this is the thrust of this, the print media have

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themselves been in a conspiracy to cover this up and to have a hold

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over John Whittingdale and it is nonsensical. I'm just asking the

:23:50.:23:55.

questions. No, no, I realise that. The idea that you have the left-wing

:23:56.:24:01.

Daily Mirror, the right wing is the right wing the sun, all getting

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together... This is proof that self-regulation works. In the

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post-Levinson in there. That is precisely what this proves. This

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proves that what the great and the good are campaigning for, lessening

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intrusions into privacy have worked, but what I know is that newspapers

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have looked at this and they found a single man had an affair with a

:24:29.:24:32.

single woman. There is no suggestion that he knew what her job was. So if

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you look at what Hacked Off have been demanding and what the BBC have

:24:41.:24:45.

been championing and what the Guardian are screaming from the

:24:46.:24:48.

rooftops and the Independent incidentally have led the way on

:24:49.:24:52.

this as well, it worked. They did not intrude into his privacy. It

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would be really interesting to talk to one of those editors but none of

:24:57.:24:59.

them have come onto the programme yet. Perhaps they will later. You

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were shaking your head in disagreement with Neil, but isn't

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this what you're campaign group has been campaigning for in the past few

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years? Don't intrude into people's private lives? This is about policy.

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Since jotting that -- John Whittingdale was made Culture

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Secretary, he has been backtracking on policy that was agreed

:25:24.:25:26.

cross-party and by the whole of Parliament. He has blocked critical

:25:27.:25:31.

access to justice legislation which would guarantee access to justice

:25:32.:25:35.

for victims of libel and press intrusion. His rhetoric around

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Levinson part two', part two of the inquiry which will examine the

:25:40.:25:43.

relationship between the press and police. The question is whether that

:25:44.:25:49.

goes ahead rather than when, and we have been asking for a long time now

:25:50.:25:52.

to tell us when you are backtracking, you should not block

:25:53.:25:55.

this legislation and you should guarantee that you're going to

:25:56.:26:01.

commence Levinson part two'. Isn't that about the inquiry is coming to

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an end before they continue with Leveson part two'. The cross-party

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agreement was that it would start after the criminal trials have

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ended. What we have seen recently is that anonymous government sources

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have been quoted in mainstream papers saying that after those

:26:19.:26:21.

trials the question will be whether and rather than when. You are

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linking that with the fact that newspapers had information about Mr

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Whittingdale's private life a year before he became Culture Secretary.

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We want to know why this backtracking has taken place and the

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allegations that have been published and they are suggesting that there

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is an due influence. You can bet your bottom dollar that if there was

:26:43.:26:46.

any accusation of any other minister that was not responsible for the

:26:47.:26:50.

press... An due influence from those four newspapers on Mr Whittingdale

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as Culture Secretary to backtrack? These are the allegations that have

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been made. By whom. A website of conspiracy theorists and not jobs.

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It is a conspiracy Mac -- it is a website interested in

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public interest journalism. If there were allegations about an due

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influence or if you want to know about undue influence that is in the

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Public interest and people should know about it. Let me give you an

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example of part of the evidence on this story from this independent

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journalist who has written a piece, he claims that the Independent

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refused to publish this story because it rented rooms from the

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Daily Mail. So this conspiracy is that they did not run the story in

:27:43.:27:46.

case the Daily Mail evicted them! Conquers!

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He is a political correspondent no longer working at the Independent

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making also some claims about what the mail on Sunday is supposed to

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have said. On the perception point, should Mr Whittingdale step back now

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from any decisions on press regulation? What we want to see at

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Hacked Off is we want to see Mr Whittingdale stop blocking this

:28:21.:28:23.

critical access to justice legislation and we won the

:28:24.:28:29.

confirmation that Leveson part two will actually go ahead. The Prime

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Minister admitted that the relationship between the press and

:28:36.:28:39.

politicians had got too cosy. He said that Gerina Piller Leveson

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Inquiry. The perception is that that relationship has not changed at all.

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-- he said it during the Leveson Inquiry. What we have here is the

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most classic example of... Yes or no, should he step back? He is being

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speared by Hacked Off. Thank you very much, both of you.

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Thanks for coming on the programme. Your views on that story of course

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very, very welcome. So many comments and I will try to read some more in

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the next half-hour. Still to come, we hear from Ahmadi Muslims

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fear for -- who fear for their safety after an increasing number of

:29:33.:29:35.

attacks from other Muslims. Here is Joanna in the BBC newsroom.

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Labour has called for Culture Secretary John Whittingdale to

:29:51.:29:53.

withdraw from being involved in any decisions on press regulation, after

:29:54.:29:56.

he confirmed he had been in irrigation ship with a woman who was

:29:57.:30:01.

a sex worker. Mr Whittingdale was single when he met the woman on a

:30:02.:30:08.

dating site in 2013, before he was in his post. Downing Street said he

:30:09.:30:12.

was a single man in title to a private life and he had the full

:30:13.:30:16.

confidence of the Prime Minister. Four newspapers knew about this

:30:17.:30:18.

story but decided not to publish it. S Good morning.

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REPORTER: Can you regulate the press after last night's revelations? I

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have made a statement. I have nothing further to add. What about

:30:32.:30:34.

what Labour are saying? Nothing further.

:30:35.:30:37.

More than 2,000 pupils in Edinburgh, whose schools had been

:30:38.:30:39.

closed because of concerns about their structural safety,

:30:40.:30:41.

17 sites were shut last Friday amid fears over the standard

:30:42.:30:45.

A further 5,000 younger pupils will be spending

:30:46.:30:53.

a third day at home, and may not resume their studies

:30:54.:31:05.

A company called Blairmore Holdings, set up by David Cameron's late

:31:06.:31:07.

Britain's biggest supermarket, Tesco, is back in profit.

:31:08.:31:14.

The company has reported its first sales growth in three years,

:31:15.:31:17.

reporting a pre-tax profit of ?162 million for last year.

:31:18.:31:20.

That compares to a loss of more than ?6 billion for the year before.

:31:21.:31:25.

A drive towards lower prices and fewer products is

:31:26.:31:27.

The company has also closed 60 unprofitable stores and sold off

:31:28.:31:31.

The British playwright Sir Arnold Wesker has died, aged 83,

:31:32.:31:42.

his wife Lady Wesker has confirmed to the BBC.

:31:43.:31:45.

The writer first came to prominence in the late 1950s for his gritty,

:31:46.:31:48.

working class dramas about everyday life.

:31:49.:31:50.

His wife said he died yesterday evening after a long illness.

:31:51.:31:55.

Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11am.

:31:56.:32:13.

Hugh will be here shortly. You can e-mail me. You can message us on

:32:14.:32:23.

Twitter. There is texting and Facebooking as well. Here is the

:32:24.:32:25.

sport from Hugh. Manuel Pellegrini put it like this:

:32:26.:32:28.

Manchester City are one of the best They've reached the semi-finals

:32:29.:32:31.

of the Champions League A 1-0 win over Paris ST Germain

:32:32.:32:34.

at the Etihad last night completing Let's talk about this with our

:32:35.:32:38.

football reporter Simon Stone. Simon this is a club that's come

:32:39.:32:42.

a long way in the last ten years and had a lot of success,

:32:43.:32:45.

but even so, a real achievement. It is, indeed, Hugh. Over the last

:32:46.:32:52.

ten years with all the investment Manchester City won Premier League

:32:53.:32:55.

titles, they have won FA Cups, they have won League Cups, they have

:32:56.:33:00.

never got beyond the last 16 of the Champions League until this season.

:33:01.:33:03.

They made the quarterfinals. Now, they are in the semifinals. We know

:33:04.:33:07.

that Real Madrid are in there as well. We expect some of other

:33:08.:33:12.

European clubs to be there. It is a real statement of intent from

:33:13.:33:20.

Manchester City. A great moment for debruner getting that goal. It is

:33:21.:33:26.

Manuel Pellegrini's last season and he leaves with what could be their

:33:27.:33:32.

greatest triumph He was told in February that he would be leaving

:33:33.:33:36.

his job at the end of the season and the Bayern Munich manager would be

:33:37.:33:41.

coming in. There is the beautiful irony of them meeting in the

:33:42.:33:44.

tournament either at the semifinals or possibly the final. Manuel

:33:45.:33:49.

Pellegrini arrived as the quiet engineer. He is going to leave

:33:50.:33:52.

Manchester City potentially making a very, very big noise indeed. Real

:33:53.:33:57.

Madrid had a different task on their hands, didn't they? They were 2-0

:33:58.:34:04.

down and won 3-2 like City, but via a 3-0 win. Cristiano Ronaldo did the

:34:05.:34:08.

hard work again? Absolutely. In Manchester City are breaking new

:34:09.:34:11.

ground by reaching the semifinals then it is not a new experience for

:34:12.:34:16.

Real Madrid and it is not a new experience for Cristiano Ronaldo to

:34:17.:34:22.

be the standard-out performer. A hat-trick and once again stamping

:34:23.:34:24.

his class as one of the best players in the world and he is a man to

:34:25.:34:28.

avoid, I think. A lot to avoid for Manchester City, bearing in mind who

:34:29.:34:31.

could be the semifinalists. We know two of the four that are through to

:34:32.:34:35.

the last four. Tonight the others will be decided. Let's look at what

:34:36.:34:40.

is to come later on. Barcelona defend a 2-1 first leg lead at

:34:41.:34:47.

Atletico Madrid. Simon Stone, thank you very much

:34:48.:34:59.

indeed for joining us. Victoria, it is back to you.

:35:00.:35:05.

Has the killing of a Muslim shopkeeper in Glasgow exposed hatred

:35:06.:35:08.

and prejudice within the Muslim community in this country?

:35:09.:35:10.

Police have described the murder of Asad Shah last month

:35:11.:35:12.

They are a small sect who many other Muslims think don't belong to Islam,

:35:13.:35:22.

because of their different views on the prophet Muhammad.

:35:23.:35:25.

Now we've been told by one Muslim group that they are increasingly

:35:26.:35:28.

worried that Ahmadis may be attacked by other more extreme Muslims.

:35:29.:35:32.

We'll be talking about this in a few minutes but first BBC Asian Network

:35:33.:35:36.

reporter Athar Ahmad has been to the UK's biggest Ahmadi mosque.

:35:37.:35:44.

Friday prayers at the Baitul Futuh mosque in south London.

:35:45.:35:50.

It is the largest in the UK and thousands of worshippers have

:35:51.:35:53.

come together to hear the weekly sermon.

:35:54.:35:54.

It is airport-style security and we are vigilant and we look

:35:55.:35:59.

We are not a professional outfit like the police but we do

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37-year-old Farouq is an Ahmadi Muslim.

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There are about 30,000 others like him in the UK.

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But some Muslims do not recognise Ahmadis as being part of their faith

:36:10.:36:12.

because of their belief in a prophet after Muhammad who came

:36:13.:36:15.

This results in Ahmadis being labelled as apostates,

:36:16.:36:18.

and in extreme cases worthy of being killed.

:36:19.:36:24.

It's not usual to see such a high amount of security like this

:36:25.:36:27.

at mosques in the UK but the worshippers

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That is because there is a real feeling they may be at risk

:36:30.:36:33.

Aneesa came to the UK in 2012 with her 15-year-old son Bilal.

:36:34.:36:39.

She had been receiving death threats from her neighbours in Pakistan

:36:40.:36:42.

She does not want us to show her face or Bilal's

:36:43.:36:47.

because she's worried about being targeted.

:36:48.:36:54.

They said, "We will cut you into pieces.

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"We will break your legs and we will even cut your neck,

:36:57.:36:59.

They do not consider us Muslim. But we are Muslim, God knows better.

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Earlier this week the BBC discovered leaflets calling for the killing of

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It comes after the killing of Asah Shah in his shop

:37:13.:37:16.

A killing that might have been on religious grounds.

:37:17.:37:20.

Fiyaz Mughal is from Tell Mama, a group which monitors Islamophobic

:37:21.:37:24.

He says they are seeing an increase in anti-Ahmadi

:37:25.:37:28.

We've had material where they are regarded as individuals

:37:29.:37:34.

who should be exterminated, calling Ahmadis cockroaches,

:37:35.:37:35.

and monkeys, calling Ahmadis individuals who should not have any

:37:36.:37:38.

In a statement, the Home Office said:

:37:39.:37:59.

Heavy security will continue to be a feature of some Ahmadi

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Though many are praying a time will come when it is no longer needed.

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We can now speak to two Ahmadi Muslims.

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Ayesha Malik who emigrated from Pakistan two years ago

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and Umar Nasser, President of the Ahmadi Muslim Student

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Also here is Dr Sundas Ali, a Sunni Muslim and Islamic academic

:38:20.:38:25.

as well as Iman Abou Atta from the organisation Tell Mama,

:38:26.:38:28.

which has been monitoring anti-Ahmadi attacks.

:38:29.:38:33.

Thank you very much for coming on the programme. What is the

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difference between a Muslim and an Ahmadi Muslim? So the belief that

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the majority of Muslims which are Sunni Muslims. They believe that

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there is one God which is Allah and the final prophet is prophet peace

:38:52.:38:58.

be upon him. Ahmadi s believe there was another prophet after Prophet

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Muhammad who was born in Punjab in 1835. That's the major difference.

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Would you agree with that? Yes, I think, broadly speaking that is the

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main thee logical difference. I think we have a difference in how we

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interpret the prophethood and we believe the prophet, we believe in

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the founder of the Muslim community is also the second coming of the med

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seeia that all major religions have been waiting for. Do you believe

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that Ahmadi s are Muslims? I confirm to the beliefs that Sunni Muslims

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conform to. If Sunni Muslims believe they are not, I would like, as an

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academic, as a researcher, I do, I think it is important to speak to

:39:53.:39:55.

everybody and to understand and I think ultimately at the end of the

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day, it is God who judges, who is Muslim and who is non-Muslim, but of

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course, as a category, as a Sunni Muslim, this is, you know, I conform

:40:05.:40:10.

to that belief, but I do want to be open-minded and speak. Sure. It

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sounds like you're saying he is not, she is not. I'm nobody to judge. I

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think that people who judge are limited. I don't think human beings

:40:22.:40:27.

can judge who is a Muslim and who is a non-Muslim. I think it is and of

:40:28.:40:32.

course, I am not a relugeous scholar, but I think it is God who

:40:33.:40:37.

ultimately judges, I don't discriminate against any of these.

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There are a number of Muslims who discriminate against people like

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yourself. What is the danger with that? Well, the worry is that when

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you have people saying that Ahmadi s are not Muslims it says they may

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look like Muslims and sound like Muslims, but they are not Muslims.

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Don't let them trick you. Don't trust them. That can lead to

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discrimination and persecution and that's what we see all the time when

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a non-Muslim status has been written into law.

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There are Pakistanis who are saying Pakistan is different. Is that

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right? Or is there tension in this country? What is happening in

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Pakistan is quite different. We have had a long history of severe and

:41:37.:41:42.

brutal persecution. We have had our mosques torched and people's homes

:41:43.:41:44.

have been burned down and you have to sign a form saying everything you

:41:45.:41:48.

believe in is false to get a Pakistani passport. So it is

:41:49.:41:53.

institutionalised sustained persecution. Obviously there is

:41:54.:41:56.

nothing like that. There is no State sanctioned persecution in the UK,

:41:57.:42:02.

but there have been pockets where if you like, Muslim heavy areas, where

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certain communities who, I think, this also goes back to the Radio 4

:42:09.:42:17.

documentary that's being played about the rise of extremists coming

:42:18.:42:22.

into the UK. I think the larger concern for me personally is that

:42:23.:42:25.

ideology creeping into the UK and I think with the rise of that

:42:26.:42:30.

extremist ideology you have certain individuals who do have hate filled

:42:31.:42:35.

ideology and they do have... How does that manifest itself in

:42:36.:42:41.

Britain? I think the thing to remember is that individuals who

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have extremist inclin nations, they do exist in the UK. And that is a

:42:46.:42:50.

problem of radicalisation that we are facing as a community, as a

:42:51.:42:59.

society at large. And that just doesn't threaten Ahmadis that

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threatens everyone in the community. Let me bring in the ammam then. What

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kind of things have you been seeing and are these incidents on the rise?

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So in the last year, we have been seeing an increase in anti-Ahmadi

:43:15.:43:18.

rhetoric promoted in both the online sphere as well as on the street

:43:19.:43:22.

level and recently following the unfortunate murder of the

:43:23.:43:29.

shopkeeper, Asad Shah In Glasgow, we have seen an increase in attacks on

:43:30.:43:34.

the Ahmadi community. We measure attacks that take place on Muslim

:43:35.:43:37.

communities and we are not in a place to judge who is Muslim and who

:43:38.:43:41.

is not. It is up to the perception of individuals to see who they are

:43:42.:43:45.

and it is up to God eventually. But in terms of monitoring the

:43:46.:43:50.

incidents, are you able to pinpoint who is, the people who are

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perpetrating the attacks, whether it is verbal or physical? Absolutely.

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Is it Muslims attacking Muslims? It comes from all kinds. It is from

:43:59.:44:07.

different sectors of the Muslim community that perceive the Ahmadis

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as non-Muslims and these messages of hate and promotion of hate and

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intolerance, they don't fit well with the values of what the UK

:44:17.:44:21.

stands for or any community. If you continue to play the background

:44:22.:44:25.

noise of these messages, will that lead to? Will that lead to further

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hate, further extreme messages going out? Further acts of extremism

:44:30.:44:35.

taking place towards this community and other communities? And are you

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hearing on university campuses these kind of negative experiences? Yeah,

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absolutely. We have had some more severe incidents. So for instance

:44:44.:44:48.

after one of our events in a major cofrt in London, the ex-president of

:44:49.:44:53.

the Islamic Society there gave out leaflets to our audience calling for

:44:54.:44:57.

our death. We have had students physically assaulted. Those are the

:44:58.:45:00.

kind of exceptions, those aren't the rule, but at a lower level, you have

:45:01.:45:07.

a sense of anti-Ahmadi prejudice. Islamic Societies have sent out

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e-mails saying don't go to our ehaven'ts and they link to extremist

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websites and even on a personal level, I remember when I was at my

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university, I remember I once received an e-mail from the Islamic

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Society saying you are not allowed to use the word, "Islam" In your

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event title. They said you should call it Women in Ahmadi. What did

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you do? I said you don't have a trademark on the name Islam. People

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are allowed to self identify as they wish. This will be in the eyes of

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God who is a Muslim and who isn't. We groups shouldn't start imposing

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on other groups what they can and can't call themselves.

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I think an important message coming through here is that there is a

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small group of individuals who have hijacked a certain portion of the

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religion. They assume the mantle of God's faithful and they have taken

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it upon themselves what the correct theological position is and they

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know that they are have described this phenomenon as holding the texts

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hostage. The irony is twofold here. Firstly it is ironic because this

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authority to compel or to judge was denied even to the Prophet himself,

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the most revered person in Islamic history and in the Koran -- God says

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you have no authority or no authority could to compel them.

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Secondly, in what is probably the greatest testament of human rights

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discourse in Islam, that religion and your spirituality is your rights

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that you owe to God and that is the exclusive space between man and God.

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Only God has the right to forgive transgressions or judge who is a

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Muslim or a Christian or who is not a Muslim. Briefly, because we have a

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few minutes left and I want to talk about possible... To finish, sorry.

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I think the most important human rights are those to other human

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beings and he says I will not forget those rights. It's kind of ironic

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that those people... Do you agree with that? Yes, I think it is an

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unfortunate situation that Muslims are facing at the moment or Islam as

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a religion, that there are so many differences. Even the difference

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with Sunni and Shia, that affects unity and effective leadership and

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there are so many vital, grave issues that need to be addressed in

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the Muslim community today such as extremism and terrorism and we are

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not able to address these issues because there is this division. A

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very real division, leading to violence in Pakistan, in Indonesia

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and now it has been carried to the UK. There are bigger problems,

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fundamental issues that Muslims need to focus on. In terms of this

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particular tension we are talking about this morning, what are the

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solutions? How could this be resolved? Is it just going to be

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there forever? I think we can have disagreements on theology and

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theological interpretations. This is the place to actually talk about it.

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In the UK each one can express their own opinion. I think there is a line

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we should not cross and that is when you start inciting hate the

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different types of communities. That is already happening, that line is

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being crossed. How do we get people to pull back from that? It is

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promoting messages of tolerance and in the UK promoting messages of

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unity that we have, no matter what the community is. No one is in a

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place to judge any other person whether Muslim or Christian.

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Promoting the messages of humanity and what people stand for and what

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we stand for as universal values is important, and tackling these

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messages of hate because if you don't stand against them and talk

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about them, we need to highlight them because the problem is, with

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anti-Ahmadi rhetoric out there, no one is rebutting these. That is a

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problem. We denied the finality of the Prophet Muhammad, they say that

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is a fundamental tenet but we affirm that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be

:49:33.:49:39.

upon him, was the final law bearing messenger but we agree with other

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Muslims that there can be follower prophets who simply reform Muslims

:49:43.:49:46.

after that and bring people back to God. They don't change Islam and

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that is what we believe the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was. Most

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people need to start thinking for themselves and realising this is not

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something terribly different, this is something approachable. Even if

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it is terribly different, you -- it doesn't justify violence. Violence

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is never justified. It's important... Religion, instead of

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being used as a vehicle of violence, it should be used to spread love and

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compassion. Universities should come together, people of all faiths, to

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promote love and peace in society and if your religion is not teaching

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you that, you are not doing any service to your faith. Thank you

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very much. We wish you all the best. The main story in the news today is

:50:43.:50:47.

the Culture Secretary's previous relationship with a sex worker. This

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is John Whittingdale leaving his home this morning. He says he did

:50:52.:50:55.

not know what the woman did for a living and he ended the relationship

:50:56.:50:58.

as soon as he found out. Neighbour are calling for him to withdraw from

:50:59.:51:03.

being involved in any decisions on press regulation after four

:51:04.:51:06.

newspapers knew about the story but decided not to publish it. Mr

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Whittingdale denies that it has had any influence on his decisions as a

:51:13.:51:17.

minister. Downing Street said he was a single man and entitled to a

:51:18.:51:20.

private life and that he has the full confidence of the Prime

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Minister. So many of you have got in touch with us this morning about the

:51:24.:51:29.

story. Jenny says, who cares what this man has done as long as he did

:51:30.:51:36.

not pay her with taxpayer's money. Another says this.

:51:37.:51:52.

Next, womb cancer affects more than 8000 women a year in the UK and is

:51:53.:52:14.

the fourth most diagnosed type but it is one of the lesser-known

:52:15.:52:20.

cancers. Today a lesser-known cancer charity is warning that obesity may

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be to blame for a rise in the number of cases in the last two decades.

:52:25.:52:28.

Other factors linked to this form of cancer include a lack of exercise.

:52:29.:52:32.

However, those warnings might ring hollow with deadbeat Vince, who was

:52:33.:52:37.

in her 40s and regularly running marathons when she developed womb

:52:38.:52:43.

cancer four years ago. We will be discussing medical details that you

:52:44.:52:47.

may not want young children to hear, but you may, because they properly

:52:48.:52:50.

won't know what we're talking about anyway. Hello, how are you. Very

:52:51.:52:56.

well, thank you. Tell us what stories you notice first of all? --

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what causes. I went through menopause quite suddenly after years

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of problems and I started having bleeding every now and again. Then

:53:10.:53:19.

suddenly I developed what I thought was a period and it got heavier and

:53:20.:53:24.

heavier and did not stop, so I went to see my doctor. I was very happy

:53:25.:53:30.

because she referred me straightaway for an urgent scan to see what was

:53:31.:53:35.

going on. Then I actually started bleeding very heavily indeed.

:53:36.:53:41.

Clearly you had the tests and they discover they chew matter. Is that

:53:42.:53:53.

right? Yes, the scant that I had, they had to discount cancer and then

:53:54.:53:59.

I had a hysterectomy and that diagnosed me with cancer. I had a

:54:00.:54:13.

full hysterectomy, I had everything and the test results showed that the

:54:14.:54:23.

tumour hadn't actually split so I was diagnosed with stage 1B.

:54:24.:54:30.

So in terms of the research today which is suggesting that womb

:54:31.:54:40.

cancer, described as one of the lesser-known cancers, could be

:54:41.:54:43.

related to obesity, clearly that is not relevant in your case, is it?

:54:44.:54:50.

No. There's quite a lot of things that are linked, including being

:54:51.:54:56.

overweight and there is a link between oestrogen and the fact that

:54:57.:55:05.

your body is storing oestrogen and... Saying that, there are a lot

:55:06.:55:14.

of women who develop womb cancer who are not overweight. A friend of mine

:55:15.:55:24.

developed it and was not overweight. There are a lot of younger women

:55:25.:55:37.

developing it as well. Women need to understand that it will form whether

:55:38.:55:42.

you are overweight or over 60 or whatever, or I'm fit. It will form.

:55:43.:55:49.

You know what I mean. I do, I do. Thank you very much for talking to

:55:50.:55:53.

us and it's good to hear that you are OK. Thanks for coming on the

:55:54.:55:54.

programme. Shadow culture Secretary Maria Eagle

:55:55.:56:03.

has told this programme that John Whittingdale, the Culture Secretary,

:56:04.:56:05.

should now withdraw from any decisions on press regulation. The

:56:06.:56:11.

problem is not about whatever Mr Whittingdale gets up to in his

:56:12.:56:15.

private life, he's entitled to his private life. The issue here is

:56:16.:56:19.

about the fact that he regulates and is responsible for press regulation

:56:20.:56:24.

and it's about perceptions. Before the election, there was

:56:25.:56:35.

cross-party... That the Leveson 's recommendations ought to be

:56:36.:56:39.

implemented. The position of Mr Whittingdale has changed from before

:56:40.:56:42.

the election to after the election when he is now responsible for doing

:56:43.:56:47.

that implementing. The question is whether in view of these revelations

:56:48.:56:49.

he should step back from taking those decisions simply because of

:56:50.:56:53.

the way it looks and the way in which perceptions are important in

:56:54.:57:00.

politics and that is the issue, it's about whether or not he should be

:57:01.:57:04.

taking these decisions in view of these revelations, nothing to do

:57:05.:57:07.

with what he gets up to in his private life, which is a matter for

:57:08.:57:13.

him. Right, but that is the nature of the revelation. He ended that

:57:14.:57:16.

relationship over a year before he got the job as culture media and

:57:17.:57:20.

sport Secretary. Since he became the Secretary of State he has decided

:57:21.:57:24.

not to implement part of the cross-party agreement. So what point

:57:25.:57:30.

are you making there? The point that I'm making is that there is a

:57:31.:57:35.

perception, there is the possibility that he has done this because he

:57:36.:57:42.

knew that these revelations were available to newspapers, perceptions

:57:43.:57:45.

are important in politics and I think it would be better now if he

:57:46.:57:51.

didn't take these decisions about implementation, simply because of

:57:52.:57:55.

what happened. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have done whatever he

:57:56.:57:59.

did in his private life, I'm not interested in that. But his position

:58:00.:58:03.

has changed from before the election to after the election on press

:58:04.:58:06.

regulation and I think that the perception that that may be because

:58:07.:58:11.

of this story or what the media had on him is important.

:58:12.:58:16.

Phil says the real Whittingdale scandal is a cover-up by the British

:58:17.:58:25.

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