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Hello, it's Tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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This morning - an emergency session of the European parliament

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is about to begin at any moment - they'll debate the Brexit vote -

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and we'll bring you some of the key moments live.

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In the last hour Chancellor George Osborne says life outside

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the EU won't be as rosy, Britain will be poorer and there'll

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be a "prolonged period of economic adjustment" -

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Also on the programme, "we no longer have confidence

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in you" - that's the message from many Labour MPs to their party

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leader Jeremy Corbyn, 47 of whom have now left

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We'll talk to some of those who want him gone

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The first duty of any leaders to communicate with the electorate.

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Over half of Labour voters did not know our position and yet we were

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united on campaigning for staying in the year. That is an untenable

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situation. It is another Brexit for England. Iceland have turned it

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round! My contract was up so now is the time for someone else to oversee

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this talented group of players. So disappointing if you're in England

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supporter. Hello, welcome to the programme,

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we're live until 11. The European Parliament,

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home of MEPs, is meeting this morning in an emergency session

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to debate the fallout from the UK's They'll also debate a motion -

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which won't be enforcable - calling for the the "immediate

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activation" of Article 50. Article 50 is the formal legal

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process a country can use Throughout the morning

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we're expecting to hear from the Presidents

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of the European Council and Parliament Donald Tusk

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and Jean-Claude Juncker - plus leaders of European

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Parliamentary groups including We'll bring you some of those

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speeches live throughout the programme this morning and -

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you can watch the whole Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about. use the hashtag Victoria LIVE

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and If you text, you will be charged The European Parliament sit in an

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emergency session and David Cameron is heading to Brussels to meet

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leaders for the first time since the result.

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He's expected to urge them to take a "constructive"

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Of course he won't be involved in those talks -

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and we're expecting more details today about how the new Tory

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leader, and next Prime Minister, will be chosen.

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George Osborne has said in the last hour that the contest will be

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all about deciding the UK's relationship with the EU.

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Labour, meanwhile, remain caught up in internal anguish.

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Let's talk to our political guru Norman at Westminster.

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It is another humongous day in Westminster. There are bad

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warnings from the Chancellor about life outside the EU. The first

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public comments from a cabinet minister about a second referendum.

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George Osborne almost seemed to be saying, I told you this would

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happen. The economy is taking a hit. The markets are in turmoil. We could

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be in for a prolonged period. He said we need to expect taxes to go

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up. He was asked, given all that, do you regret holding this referendum?

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He did not bite on that. You kind of sense he probably did deeply regret

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the decision. He had this warning that we are going to be worse off.

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We are in a prolonged period of economic adjustment for the UK. We

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are adjusting to life outside the EU and it will not be as economically

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rosy as life inside the EU. Is this addressed when we get new forecasts

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for the economy? Yes, and that will be a decision for

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the new Conservative Government. Jeremy Corbyn's position? Let me

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give you a couple of comments. Wendy knows best.

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Colin says, after the hate, and the lies, I feel deeply

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was an extraordinary meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party. Wave

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after wave of Labour MPs and not just the Blairites or the usual

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suspects. They were not shouting at Jeremy Corbyn, were pleading,

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appealing to him, saying, do the decent thing for the party.

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Jeremy Corbyn and his allies say he will not go. They call it a corridor

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coup. He will overwhelmingly lose the confidence vote, the men in grey

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suits will say, you've got to go. I expect he will continue to say he

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will not go. It will lead to put up a candidate. They are now agreeing a

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name to put up against Jeremy Corbyn. My expectation is it will

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probably be Angela Eagle, you will then have a head-to-head between

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Jeremy Corbyn and Angela Eagle. Jeremy Corbyn's people are confident

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they can win. His critics say, things are changing. Ordinary party

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members are fed up and they think they have a chance of toppling him.

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We are going to dip into that emergency meeting. They are just

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taking their seats. This is the first time members of the European

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Parliament have got together to give their verdict on the

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We're going to do drop into the session.

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England have crashed out of Euro 2016 with a humiliating 2-1

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Iceland, with a population of just 330,000, were among

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the lowest-ranked teams in the football tournament.

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Within minutes of the final whistle, England manager Roy Hodgson

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announced his resignation, saying he was sorry his time

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England have experienced some embarrassing lows,

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but last night will leave lifelong scars on the players who will now

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wait and see which man takes on the most toxic of tasks

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Roy Hodgson walked before he was pushed last night.

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I'm sorry it had to end this way, with another exit

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But these things happen and all I can do is wish everybody

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all the very best and hope that you will still be able to see

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an England team in a final of a major tournament fairly soon.

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England couldn't have started any better.

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Wayne Rooney scoring his 53rd goal in his 115th appearance,

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equalling David Beckham's record for an outfield player.

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How much longer his service is required will be up

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10% of Iceland's population have followed them around France for far

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longer than they could have imagined.

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Their second score squirmed over the line in just under 20 minutes.

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England could only squirm in embarrassment.

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It cost us a fortune and then a performance like that.

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All the way to France to watch the game and nothing.

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The fans were all too familiar with the sinking feeling.

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Years of hope, storms, and then one last journey

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at the front of a bus from a foreign field.

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And we'll be hearing from fans, and looking at who could be

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the next England manager, later in the programme.

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An extradition hearing begins today to decide

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whether a man from Suffolk, who is accused of hacking

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into several federal computer systems in America,

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Lowry Love, who's been diagnosed with Asperger's and depression,

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is accused of stealing massive quantities of data from Nasa and US

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Here's our Home Affairs Correspondent Daniel Sandford.

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Let's take you live to the European Parliament, David Cameron will be

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meeting European leaders for the first time since

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Britain voted to leave. Yellow mac I'd like to welcome the commission

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president with his members of the commission.

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in the parliament we turn to a topic that moves us very deeply.

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Because, contrary to the comments we hear from some decision-makers, the

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decision has been taken in the UK, and it is one that affects all

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citizens of the European Union, it is obviously

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clear that the representatives of the European people meet to discuss

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this case. At the start of this debate I'd like

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to say one thing. Over the course of four decades, many

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politicians, many officials from the United Kingdom have

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Union's institutions. I know many of them, I've worked with many of them,

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I have worked together with many of them to construct

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I think all those colleagues from the United Kingdom in this house and

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the many hundreds of women and men who work in committees and

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administration of this house, if we say to them that we regret

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decision that the UK will leave us, but you who have worked with us

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throughout these years, we are linked with you as we are linked

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with humanity. APPLAUSE. Let's be clear, ladies and gentlemen, the

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value of the United Kingdom in foreign policy of the EU but also

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defending freedom is is of major significance. However, the will of

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the majority of citizens of the United Kingdom must

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be done. It has to be respected and that is why we will be looking today

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intensively at the issue of Article 50 and it's triggering.

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Maybe I can express a vote of thanks to somebody in this room who has

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found himself in a very difficult situation but has done excellent

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work and taken a great step in the course of humanity. Lord Hill has

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decided to lay down his office as Commissioner of the United Kingdom

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so this will be the last occasion he is with us.

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You were involved in the campaign for the UK to Remain in the campaign

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and on behalf of the European Parliament but also for

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the work you've done I would like to express our thanks to you.

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TRANSLATION: Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen for that signal

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which also makes it very clear the side on which the overwhelming

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majority of the European people stand on the side of those who would

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like to keep the UK in the EU. Thank you for that very clear and strong

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signal. At the same time however, the resignation of Lord Hill sends

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out another signal, a signal that the withdrawal procedure has begun.

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It is time we move to the debate, on behalf of the European Council, Mr

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Tusk was invited to our meeting today and Prime Minister Rutter was

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also invited, that doesn't reduce our degrade our respect for you who

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is representing the council. You have the floor madam.

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Trance Mr President, thank you very much. Honourable members, members of

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the college. The 23rd June 2016 will go down in history as a day that

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shook the United Kingdom and the European Union. A majority of the

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British voters have expressed their wish to leave the EU. Following this

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result, which we respect, there is deep, deep regret, but there is also

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a strong resolve to show unity in our response. However, let me

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underscore the fact that today that I represent the full council, all 28

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members of it, until a UK exit is finalised, the UK will be a member

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of the council with all the rights and obligations that derive from

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this. Now, the United Kingdom has been a respected member of the

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European Union since 1973. Working with member states and institutions

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to build and strengthen a secure, and prosperous Europe. The outcome

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of the referendum therefore marks a watershed moment in Europe's

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history. But history and geography cannot be changed. The UK is and

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will always be, a European nation. We share the same values, we harbour

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the same hopes, and we will continue to work together. As partners and

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allies. In other words it will be in the interests of us all to ensure

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that a future relationship will be constructive and mutely beneficial.

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Now, let me -- mutually beneficial. Now, let me be absolutely clear, no

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one will benefit from a prolonged political limbo. The ball is in the

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British court and we do look forward to hearing from London soon. At the

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same time, let us also allow the UK the time it needs to recuperate and

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to take the necessary decisions so we can indeed move forward. In other

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words, cool heads must now prevail. Mr President, since its creation in

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1957 the EU has gone a long and successful way. It has reunited

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eastern and Western Europe and it has brought about the longest period

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of peace on our Continent in modern times. It has been a driving force

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to bring and keep the people of Europe together in all its diversity

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and strength. Never in modern history have we enjoyed so much

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freedom, so much wealth and so much stability in Europe. Now why did

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people give their lives in Ukraine carrying a banner with golden stars?

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Why do people from Africa leave their families in rickety boats to

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reach our shores? It is because of the fundamental values that bind us?

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The fundamental freedoms that inspire us and the promise that if

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do your best you can get ahead and if I cannot, you won't be cast away.

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Now, these achievements stand and we can be proud to have contributed to

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them, however, nothing is irvery versable, nothing inevitable, the

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shock of the referendum should be a wake-up call to us all. Whether we

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like it or not, the sentiments of a large part of the British voters are

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shared in many other EU member states. So we will have to do

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better. We must, intensify our efforts, we do need a more

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efficient, more effective and most of all, a more convincing European

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Union. Now, clearly, in this globalised world Europe is facing

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huge challenges. So yes, we do need an EU that's protecting its borders

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and controlling migration. An EU that is providing economic

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opportunities to all citizens and an EU that is keeping threats at bay.

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We need an EU that is not seen as a threat to national identity, but as

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an extension of our identities. An EU that's not seen as a bureaucratic

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meddler, but as a facilitator. Now, the inconvenient truth is that

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neither Europe as a whole, nor any single nation can isolate itself

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from a world in turmoil and we must cope with this turmoil together as

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best as we can or else the zone of peace and stability that we have

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built up over decades might disintegrate and we would have no

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one to blame but ourselves. Mr President, we need unity because

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geopolitical tension and the conflict surrounding Europe will

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continue and possibly multiply. We need unity because terrorists will

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not hesitate to strike at us again. We need unity to control the huge

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flows of migrants that will continue to move forward, to move towards

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this Continent. And let me be clear once more, no country on the face of

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the Earth can meet these challenges alone. These challenges are simply

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too complex. They also tend to ignore borders. And true, part of

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the challenge lies in the domestic realm, convincing European citizens

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that unity remains the best choice, but fancy words, conclusions, and

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declarations will not be enough, we have to act. The fact that

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fragmentation is no longer considered unthinkable should

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gravely concern us all. And propel us into action. There is no reason

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to be fatalistic because together we are strong. Together we are the

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world's strongest advocates for the values we cherish, rule of law,

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freedom, democracy, and market based economy. But it would be foolish to

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under estimate the challenge at hand. Mr President, the outcome of

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the referendum has left us with an unprecedented situation. Many within

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the UK and other member states feel uncertain about the consequences. It

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is in the interest of all, to have clarity about the way ahead soon. At

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the same time, it is important to recall that we have the rules to

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deal with the situation in an orderly way. As we all know Article

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50 of the treaty sets out a procedure to be followed if a member

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state decides to leave the European Union. Now, the EU stands ready to

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launch negotiations swiftly, but it is up to the UK Government and no

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one else, to trigger Article 50. And negotiations can only start after

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such a notification has taken place. Meanwhile, we have some work to do.

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Clearly, the outcome of the UK referendum does not mean that the

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threats and challenges we commonly face have suddenly disappeared.

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Neither does it mean that each nation will be better off acting on

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its own rather than part as a collective on the contrary I would

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say. Now, if the UK, if the UK decides to leave indeed, the Union

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of 27 member states will continue. Together we can and will address our

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common challenge to generate growth, to increase prosperity, and to

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ensure a safe and secure environment for our citizens. This is, what

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European citizens expect from us and rightfully so. Now, while

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institutional debates on treaty conventions are a paradise to

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lawyers and diplomats, they are a hell for citizens. So we simply need

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to grit our teeth, roll up our sleeves and use all the tools and

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means we have and true, it will not always be easy to agree on what we

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should do. It is no doubt challenging to make co-operation

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work, but we have to forge ahead. For the failure to do so jeopardises

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prosperity and the well-being and that Mr President, would be

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reckless. In closing, the European Council will meet in a few hours.

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You understand that I cannot prejudge the discussions in the

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council, in other words I cannot go into greater detail on the next

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steps. However, I will listen carefully to your debate. You

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yourself president will be able to address the members of the council

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this afternoon when you meet them and to convey the substance of the

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debate and of the resolution you will adopt later this morning. Thank

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you so much. APPLAUSE

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TRANSLATION: On behalf of the commission, president Juncker.

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TRANSLATION: Mr President, Madam President, honourable members, your

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Parliament is getting ready to discuss the future of Europe and the

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place of the United Kingdom in Europe or near the European Union. A

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lot of meetings scheduled for this morning, but I decided to come to

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the European Parliament. I think my place today is here.

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APPLAUSE At the heart of the European

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democracy. APPLAUSE

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TRANSLATION: Our British friends have expressed a view by universal

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suffrage and obviously the majority view of the British people demands

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respect. Democracy is democracy and we must respect it. We must respect

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British democracy and the way it has voiced its view.

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That's the last time you're applauding here.

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APPLAUSE TRANSLATION: And to some extent I'm

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really surprised that you are here! You were fighting for the exit, the

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British people voted in favour of the exit. Why are you here?

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APPLAUSE TRANSLATION: So universal suffrage

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has been exercised in the United Kingdom and we must respect the

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outcome. Now, I don't dare say I'm a friend of democracy because it means

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I need to somehow prove it, but at the end of the day, what we've got

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to do is respect the will of the British people. Now, they've

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expressed their view, now they have there have got to be consequences.

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Something has to happen. First of all I would ask for some

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clarification, not necessarily immediately because the British

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system is far more complicated than we think, there is a vote, now there

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is hesitation, Lord Hill, my friend and brother is a real democrat. And

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I would like others to also draw conclusions from the vote in the

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United Kingdom. I've heard, I've read, that the President of

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Parliament, that the president of the Parliamentary groups with some

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exceptions have reacted in somewhat emotional fashion to the results of

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the British vote. Yes. Europe isn't exclusively a cerebral affair.

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Obviously we've got to think, but equally when you're sad, it's

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acceptable to be sad and I am sad after this vote in the UK. And I

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make no secret of it. APPLAUSE

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TRANSLATION: How can I put this? It is not morningishness, it is a

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professional conviction, I really would have liked the United Kingdom

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to remain by our side with us, but a decision was different and we must,

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of course, draw the conclusions. I would call on the Government of the

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United Kingdom and I will be speaking to the Prime Minister later

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this morning who is still a friend because despite the vote, the

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British remain our friends in any event I shall ask the Prime Minister

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to clarify the situation as soon as possible. We cannot be embroiled in

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lasting uncertainty. So if I say I'm sad, now, of course,

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emotions aren't too important, political love, but I'm saying sad,

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because I'm not a robot. I'm not a grey bureaucrat or technocrat.

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We had a democratic process which led to a result we do not like. I am

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not a robot, I am not a machine. I'm the European and I have the right to

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say I regret the result of the British vote. I would like the

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United Kingdom to clarify its position today or tomorrow, we

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cannot allow a prolonged period of uncertainty. Contrary to others, I

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am not a slave to the financial markets but I do watch what they do.

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I think what we are seeing is global and shows what is happening. I would

:31:32.:31:37.

like the United Kingdom to clarify its position. I would like the idea

:31:38.:31:51.

to become common currency. Negotiations between the

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governments. I have placed a ban on commissioners engaging in

:32:04.:32:07.

discussions with the British Government, regardless of whether it

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was leave Remain. I don't like doing this. They can have no preliminary

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discussions, no notification, no negotiation.

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We lost, as a result of the British vote, something very important. They

:32:31.:32:46.

are the founding fathers who do not have any more rights than other

:32:47.:32:50.

states, they are not the only country behind the project, new

:32:51.:32:54.

member states are fully fledged member states and once again I

:32:55.:33:02.

welcome and celebrate the reunification of Europe. Welcome,

:33:03.:33:16.

new member states. The British vote has cut off one of our wings but we

:33:17.:33:22.

are still flying. Our flight towards the future continues. These new

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Horizons are important for Europe and our planet. Those who look at us

:33:33.:33:41.

from afar are concerned. I've heard other world leaders who are very

:33:42.:33:44.

concerned because they are worried about the path the European Union

:33:45.:33:51.

will head down. We need to assure Europeans and those that look at us

:33:52.:33:58.

from outside, from further away. Our flight continues, towards a clear

:33:59.:34:07.

objective, a predetermined objective. Our journey continues,

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and though we've slowed down a bit, we must progress to achieve our

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shared objective and we must do so with renewed ambition. Just imagine

:34:27.:34:33.

the European Commission had not come forward with ten priorities. What

:34:34.:34:44.

response would we be giving to our British friends? It would be the

:34:45.:34:54.

commission's programme. Following on from the British vote, are we just

:34:55.:35:02.

going to put two stone and not continue with the effort to put an

:35:03.:35:09.

end to flourishing democracy? We will keep fighting against what

:35:10.:35:21.

British people call red tape. We said social Europe is going to find

:35:22.:35:33.

its place. We've launched a broad range. Do you want the British vote

:35:34.:35:47.

to stop this? We must become more social. As a college we have put an

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end to this blind unilateralism, which was that there would be no

:36:02.:36:07.

solutions to the economic crisis. We've injected flexibility into a

:36:08.:36:13.

work in the good sense, we've injected flexibility, the British

:36:14.:36:22.

vote is going back to where it was prior to when they took up office.

:36:23.:36:27.

The stability pact must be ruled out and that is what we will do. We have

:36:28.:36:41.

launched a project on energy. Nobody has said, do you want us to change,

:36:42.:36:48.

put an end this continental shared effort? Are project to secure this.

:36:49.:36:58.

We want to modernise Europe, we said that on many occasions, and that's

:36:59.:37:03.

why we've launched an ambitious project which relates to the digital

:37:04.:37:10.

future of Europe. Everything has got to change. Do we need to change

:37:11.:37:14.

that? The commission will continue to do what it promised to do with

:37:15.:37:24.

Parliament's agreement. Everybody is saying everything is going to

:37:25.:37:25.

change. We will continue down the path we

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started down in November 20 14. Let's leave the European Parliament

:37:53.:37:58.

there. They come up with the laws for the European Parliament to vote

:37:59.:38:03.

on. He says we must accept British democracy but he is clearly a sad

:38:04.:38:09.

man. He was genuinely upset. He said, I'm not a great technocrat or

:38:10.:38:14.

a bureaucrat, I'm genuinely sad that our friends in Britain are leaving.

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It is like one of our wings have been cut off. But he said they will

:38:18.:38:22.

press ahead, they will not down tools. The other thing which is

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significant, we heard from him and Martin Schulz, both stressing they

:38:34.:38:34.

want Britain to get a shift on. The fear is of uncertainty across

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Europe. Why that matters, we are going in slow motion. We heard from

:38:53.:39:03.

Jeremy Hunt saying, maybe we should put this on hold until the general

:39:04.:39:10.

election, that would be 2020! Angela Merkel addressing the German

:39:11.:39:13.

parliament, very much the same sentiment. She says Europe has got

:39:14.:39:16.

through this crisis before but Britain has got to get a move on.

:39:17.:39:21.

When David Cameron speaks at dinner they will be banging the table and

:39:22.:39:25.

saying, you've got to get on with it, you cannot hang around. When Mac

:39:26.:39:31.

full coverage of that debate on BBC Parliament. MPs on the verge of

:39:32.:39:40.

tears, others pleading with the leader to stand down.

:39:41.:39:44.

just some of the reports of what happened inside

:39:45.:39:47.

an extraordinary meeting between Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn

:39:48.:39:48.

and his MPs and this morning the front of the Labour-supporting

:39:49.:39:51.

Daily Mirror simply tells Jeremy Corbyn to "go now".

:39:52.:39:54.

Let's talk to Dame Margaret Hodge who was inside the meeting -

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she's tabled a motion of no confidence in her leader.

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Give the audience an insight into who said what. I've been a member of

:40:04.:40:10.

Parliament for over 20 years and it was extraordinary. The room was

:40:11.:40:17.

packed full of members of Parliament and peers as well. Emotions were

:40:18.:40:24.

running high. The unanimity of everybody, all the backbenchers who

:40:25.:40:32.

spoke, angrily or with pleading, asking Jeremy to do the decent thing

:40:33.:40:37.

and decide to go. What were people saying? Why have we got to this

:40:38.:40:44.

point? The big test of Jeremy's leadership has been the EU

:40:45.:40:47.

referendum. He was slow to get off the mark, it now emerges, Alan

:40:48.:40:58.

Johnson was one the people at the meeting, he accused them of not

:40:59.:41:02.

working with him, he refused to come to the weekly meetings and then he

:41:03.:41:12.

put out material that actually contradicted the Remain campaign. He

:41:13.:41:21.

contributed to the failure of the Remain campaign because he gave out

:41:22.:41:26.

mixed messages. Do you think Jeremy Corbyn actually voted Remain? I

:41:27.:41:42.

don't know. This is the biggest crisis in living memory. This is the

:41:43.:41:47.

time when the country leads strong leadership and the Labour Party

:41:48.:41:49.

needs strong and effective leadership. They will put forward an

:41:50.:42:05.

alternative. Jeremy has not shown that strength of leadership and we

:42:06.:42:14.

could have a general election upon us and we need to have a convincing

:42:15.:42:27.

alternative for people of Britain. Party members say people like you,

:42:28.:42:32.

who tabled this motion of no confidence, either traitor. When I

:42:33.:42:45.

got home last Friday, I expected lots of abuse, but I had hundreds of

:42:46.:42:50.

e-mails from supporters supporting the action we had taken. The very

:42:51.:43:01.

young people who joined Labour, supporting Jeremy Corbyn because

:43:02.:43:06.

they thought he would bring a vision and strength to the Labour Party,

:43:07.:43:11.

are the most angry about the outcome of the referendum. What the Labour

:43:12.:43:18.

Party is about is the many, not the few. There were 9.3 now you people

:43:19.:43:26.

who voted Labour and there are many more you need to attract. We need to

:43:27.:43:31.

look at the greater good of those Labour voters and supporters. If

:43:32.:43:40.

there is a vote today and you win the vote, at the end of the day we

:43:41.:43:49.

could know the outcome before 6pm. He could say, I am staying where I

:43:50.:43:53.

am, that has been his stance right through the weekend. Absolutely

:43:54.:44:00.

adamant he is staying as Labour Leader. I don't want to pre-empt the

:44:01.:44:09.

vote. One step at a time. I think his position is completely

:44:10.:44:12.

untenable. The strength of feeling in the room was overpowering. Even

:44:13.:44:21.

after that, he said he was staying. I don't think he can find a

:44:22.:44:26.

sufficient number of people who are staying with him. Doesn't seem to

:44:27.:44:31.

bother him. Tell me what will happen after that. I think Jeremy Hunt

:44:32.:44:35.

basically a decent man, I've known him for 35 years, this

:44:36.:44:38.

is not a personal dispute with an individual I don't like. I like him.

:44:39.:44:47.

The mood is so overwhelming I think he cannot ignore it. If he does not

:44:48.:44:52.

we will need to think again. Let's talk about what that means. Go with

:44:53.:44:58.

me on this. Who is the name the Parliamentary Labour Party would

:44:59.:45:02.

unite behind who could challenge him in a leadership contest and who

:45:03.:45:09.

would beat him? Who is that person? There are really so many new,

:45:10.:45:15.

talented, energetic, committed, excellent people. They could all

:45:16.:45:23.

fulfil that role. I've not got any body and mind. One of the reasons I

:45:24.:45:31.

think it is important is we go for a change of leader, not just because

:45:32.:45:39.

of the general election but also I know there is a great cohort of

:45:40.:45:46.

talented individuals. People are talking about Angela Eagle. You'll

:45:47.:45:49.

actually is one and there are others. This is not the day and the

:45:50.:45:51.

time. This is the day for MPs to take a

:45:52.:46:01.

serious decision how to vote and we have got to see how the vote turns

:46:02.:46:05.

out. I plead with Jeremy as others did last night to listen to the

:46:06.:46:08.

voices that are now against him. It is not just one wing of the party,

:46:09.:46:14.

it is not just a few individuals, it is the mass of the Parliamentary

:46:15.:46:19.

Labour Party and a growing number of Labour Party members and supporters

:46:20.:46:23.

who just think he can't hack it as leader. We need a strong, effective

:46:24.:46:28.

leader to defend the country, to act as a clear opposition and to prepare

:46:29.:46:31.

for an alternative Government. Are you in touch with Labour supporters

:46:32.:46:37.

or ex-Labour supporters who voted to Leave the European Union? Actually

:46:38.:46:44.

when they write to me, they don't make that clear. They would focus,

:46:45.:46:49.

they focus... So not really? They don't muddle the two issues. They

:46:50.:46:54.

don't talk about, one or two, you know, actually that's not fair.

:46:55.:46:57.

Quite a lot of the e-mails talk about how disappointed they are in

:46:58.:47:00.

the leadership. Or the failure of leadership in relation to the

:47:01.:47:04.

referendum. That's why they're supporting our motion of no

:47:05.:47:07.

confidence. But on the other hand, have I got people who have said they

:47:08.:47:14.

want, they voted to Leave, I haven't picked that up if I'm honest. There

:47:15.:47:19.

are a lot of Labour supporters or... Oh generally? Across the north of

:47:20.:47:26.

England? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. In parts of Essex and East London? Do I know

:47:27.:47:31.

Labour voters? Are you in touch with them? What are they saying to you?

:47:32.:47:36.

Of course. Well, my own constituency, two out of three,

:47:37.:47:41.

voted for Brexit. And my constituency is an area which has

:47:42.:47:47.

been really impacted by immigration. It has transformed from a white

:47:48.:47:51.

working class area into a mixed community that mirrors the whole of

:47:52.:47:54.

London and people find that change difficult. Especially when they are

:47:55.:47:59.

looking for a house or looking for a well paid job, so I understand that.

:48:00.:48:03.

John McDonnell has just been outside his house. He has been asked

:48:04.:48:07.

questions by various media people. Let's listen.

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REPORTER: Do you think it is time for Mr Corbyn to resign? Of course

:48:11.:48:16.

not. Nine months ago he got the largest mandate. Certainly not. Do

:48:17.:48:20.

you think he is failing to connect with the people of the United

:48:21.:48:22.

Kingdom not just the Labour supporters? What's interesting, I

:48:23.:48:26.

thinned this really curious because a the Parliamentary Labour Party

:48:27.:48:29.

meeting last night, MPs were saying, you haven't got the support of the

:48:30.:48:32.

people. Yet at the beginning of that meeting we clapped in a by-election

:48:33.:48:40.

candidate who doubled her majority under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership. We

:48:41.:48:44.

won every mayoral election and we put ten points on the polls. He is

:48:45.:48:48.

doing extremely well, however some members of the party get worried

:48:49.:48:51.

about the general election and we need to reassure them. Do you think

:48:52.:48:57.

he was lacklustre in his attempts to get people to vote Remain? We had to

:48:58.:49:01.

appeal to our supporters about the EU so we wanted to remain, but there

:49:02.:49:05.

needs to be reform and that reflected what Labour supporters,

:49:06.:49:10.

unfortunately, we didn't win. But the bulk of Labour supporters voted

:49:11.:49:18.

to remain. Young people four to one voted to Remain. John McDonnell who

:49:19.:49:21.

is Jeremy Corbyn's right-hand man. There is no sign of any movement

:49:22.:49:25.

from the top of the Labour Party. Let's see how the vote goes. I was

:49:26.:49:31.

overwhelmed by the number of people in the room and by the unity of

:49:32.:49:36.

purpose of those people in the room. Last night at the meeting? Last

:49:37.:49:40.

night at the meeting, we have to see how the vote goes. I'm sorry the one

:49:41.:49:45.

thing watching John McDonnell on that clip, the one thing that people

:49:46.:49:50.

are so angry about, reason all this has come together, is that people

:49:51.:49:56.

are so furious at the lack of leadership and the wrong leadership

:49:57.:50:00.

we had on the Leave campaign for the EU referendum. From Jeremy Corbyn

:50:01.:50:06.

and his team. The fact that al-Johnan Johnson was able to say at

:50:07.:50:09.

the party meeting last night, "You refuse to talk to me. You

:50:10.:50:13.

deliberately undermined my messages." That's unforgivable in

:50:14.:50:18.

what has become the most important decision for the lives of us, our

:50:19.:50:21.

children and our grandchildren. Thank you very much for your time

:50:22.:50:24.

this morning. And your patience as well. Thank you, I appreciate it.

:50:25.:50:32.

Will Boris Johnson be too divisive in the wake of the referendum? We

:50:33.:50:40.

will discuss that after 10am. Roy Hodgson is out of a job and

:50:41.:50:44.

England sent packing in disgrace again from a big football

:50:45.:50:49.

tournament. The Times newspaper has given every single England player a

:50:50.:50:52.

zero rating and some of you suggested on my Twitter timeline

:50:53.:50:57.

that's too generous! England lost in the knock-out round, the last 16

:50:58.:51:01.

stage of the European Championships. 2-1 to Iceland who were let's be

:51:02.:51:06.

honest, magnificent. Here is how the night unfolded.

:51:07.:51:16.

Only Wayne Rooney and Joe Hart of this England team walked out for a

:51:17.:51:21.

knock-out match. Through to Sturridge. Sterling is he brought

:51:22.:51:28.

down? The referee says... And Rooney scores! That's exactly what's going

:51:29.:51:36.

to happen. And it helped across goal and Iceland are level!

:51:37.:51:41.

Yes! Yes! There it is.

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And England's embarrassment is Iceland's ecstasy!

:52:06.:52:37.

The result can't lie. We had 95 minutes to put right. We're going to

:52:38.:52:45.

have to take some responsibility and myself personality, I'm going to

:52:46.:52:48.

have to take responsibility. I should be saving two goals that

:52:49.:52:52.

happened in this tournament. So... We are gutted. We felt we let a

:52:53.:52:56.

chance slip tonightment we believe we could win the game and we

:52:57.:53:00.

haven't. My contract was always up after the Euros. So now is the time

:53:01.:53:05.

for someone else to oversee the progress of this young, hungry and

:53:06.:53:11.

extremely talented group of players. Where do we start with England in

:53:12.:53:17.

this debacle? Well, that was the worst performance I have seen from

:53:18.:53:20.

an England team, ever from start to finish in the game. We were

:53:21.:53:25.

outfought and we were outthought and we were outbattled and we were

:53:26.:53:30.

totally hopeless for 90 minutes. Let's talk to some England fans and

:53:31.:53:36.

some Iceland fans. We've got Billy, Marc and Jimmy and Iceland fans

:53:37.:53:43.

Magnus. Welcome all of you. Congratulations to our Iceland fans.

:53:44.:53:47.

I'm going to start with the England fans if you don't mind. Billy, you

:53:48.:53:51.

have seen some pretty disappointing England performances over the years,

:53:52.:54:00.

how bad was this? Yeah, this was, is that the worst? Is that the biggest

:54:01.:54:05.

low? I have to admit that was pretty low. South Africa was bad when we

:54:06.:54:13.

lost to Germany. We have gone out on penalty shoot-outs and we didn't,

:54:14.:54:17.

with this game we didn't rest on our laurels, Iceland are a decent side

:54:18.:54:20.

and the fans went thinking we're going to go there and do the

:54:21.:54:24.

business. The team went out there and they did not try. The most

:54:25.:54:29.

embarrassing thing about it is that Iceland is just a Brighton. Take the

:54:30.:54:33.

town of Brighton and carving it off and saying to everyone, put yourself

:54:34.:54:36.

in that football team, that's how bad it was for us and also their

:54:37.:54:42.

defender, their central defender, plays for Charlton, they got

:54:43.:54:45.

relegated to Division One. We couldn't get past a central defender

:54:46.:54:49.

playing in the same league as my team Brentford. It was so bad. It

:54:50.:54:54.

really was. Let me ask you Marc, how can players that had an amazing

:54:55.:55:00.

Premier League season, Kane, Vardy, be so much more ordinary for the

:55:01.:55:06.

national side? Please explain that to me? Some of them looked tired. I

:55:07.:55:15.

thought cane looked really tired and also they didn't seem to be

:55:16.:55:20.

inspired. There was no creativity. It was like the Slovakia game. There

:55:21.:55:24.

didn't seem to be enough thought and ways of moving forward. It was

:55:25.:55:28.

really sad to watch and I agree with the last bloke, the South Africa

:55:29.:55:33.

game, the game in South Africa against Algeria is equally as bad,

:55:34.:55:40.

but that was bad. Embarrassing to watch. Jimmy, what words would you

:55:41.:55:44.

use to describe England's performance? They were beaten by the

:55:45.:55:53.

better side. PROBLEM WITH SOUND

:55:54.:55:57.

I can hardly hear you. I'm sorry, I did get the word, "Frustrating."

:55:58.:56:03.

While we sort that out, I'm going to hear from the Iceland fans.

:56:04.:56:07.

Congratulation, you were magnificent? Thank you very much.

:56:08.:56:11.

You should give us credit because it is disappointment for England, but

:56:12.:56:15.

it is a great moment in Iceland's sporting history. How did you do it?

:56:16.:56:24.

The team spirit, work ratio and just togetherness in the squad. That was

:56:25.:56:33.

the key behind this victory. That, I think, in this tournament was

:56:34.:56:37.

Iceland's easiest game. Is that fair enough? Are you still with us? I can

:56:38.:56:47.

see you in your blue top somewhere. Hello, can you hear me? Yeah, I can

:56:48.:56:52.

hear you. Can you hear me? Was that Iceland's easiest game in this

:56:53.:56:55.

tournament? I wouldn't say that because the game was tough and

:56:56.:56:59.

England played well. I wouldn't say they were embarrassed, they did

:57:00.:57:02.

their best. We were simply better. We don't have any stars in our team

:57:03.:57:07.

pt no big stars. We simply have 11 or we have a group of 23 great

:57:08.:57:12.

football players. We played as a team. And we made it. And I think

:57:13.:57:19.

the England team was under huge pressure from the UK media and from

:57:20.:57:25.

the public while Icelandic team only had supporters and it was amazing to

:57:26.:57:30.

be at this stadium with 36,000 people, only 3,000 people were

:57:31.:57:35.

there, still you could only hear Icelandic voices there. The England

:57:36.:57:40.

fans were using their investment in their seats quite well sitting all

:57:41.:57:44.

the time, watching the game while the Icelandic fans, they were just

:57:45.:57:49.

having fun and enjoying the game and supporting their team. But England

:57:50.:57:55.

did know about the long throw of your captain, but still couldn't

:57:56.:57:58.

handle it? Yeah. LAUGHTER

:57:59.:58:03.

Don't laugh. It is really painful! I don't understand how he can do this.

:58:04.:58:07.

I guess he is a Viking like the rest of us so we are used to throwing big

:58:08.:58:13.

stones and axes over the fields and that's one of his strengths, yes.

:58:14.:58:22.

OK. I was going to ask you if you would recreate the Iceland roar.

:58:23.:58:27.

We've lost Magnus now. The fantastic celebration that we have been

:58:28.:58:35.

seeing. Where does that come from? Blimey, we're losing all of them.

:58:36.:58:39.

Maybe I should ask the England fans, Billy, Marc and Jimmy to do the

:58:40.:58:44.

Iceland sell braugsz, the slow clap and the roar, how would you describe

:58:45.:58:48.

it Billy, what's it like when you're in the stadium hearing that?

:58:49.:58:52.

Is that me? Yeah. Sorry, about that, yes. The sound is cutting off. We

:58:53.:58:59.

thought the Finnish fans were brilliant, a lot of England fans

:59:00.:59:03.

stayed behind and they clapped the Finnish fans because they thought

:59:04.:59:07.

the Icelandic players because the team was fantastic. The fans were

:59:08.:59:11.

fantastic and they showed the passion and we talked about this as

:59:12.:59:15.

well, because we think that there is just talking in the broader sense,

:59:16.:59:19.

part of the reason why we lost, they talked about tiredness and all that,

:59:20.:59:22.

that's nonsense. There is an arrogance that runs through England.

:59:23.:59:26.

I have been to 12 tournaments, listen I follow the team through

:59:27.:59:30.

thick and thin. There is an arrogance that runs through the team

:59:31.:59:33.

because they think we are England, we can turn up and we will do what

:59:34.:59:37.

we want, it doesn't matter what we do, we will win. You know what

:59:38.:59:44.

Billy, I don't think somebody like Eric Dyer comes across as arrogant?

:59:45.:59:48.

I think there is an attitude within in there and the manager, the

:59:49.:59:53.

manager, Roy Hodgson going on, there was an arrogance in the way he chose

:59:54.:59:57.

the team. So what's happened is that, you get somebody like Iceland,

:59:58.:00:01.

what they do is they give. They look at it and they think, "Listen, we

:00:02.:00:07.

know we can try if we pull together. If we pull together with our

:00:08.:00:10.

Division One players and everybody else and we will play really good

:00:11.:00:14.

football." I want to ask from Jimmy and Marc and Billy, who do you want

:00:15.:00:18.

to succeed Roy Hodgson. Give me one name.

:00:19.:00:26.

The Tottenham manager, bring him in. He knows how to deal with players.

:00:27.:00:35.

Thank you very much and In the next hour, more reaction to

:00:36.:00:45.

England getting knocked out of the Euros and we will

:00:46.:00:47.

at the contenders for the next manager. Some people have mentioned

:00:48.:00:54.

Arsene Wenger and lots of mentioned Gareth Southgate. Here is the

:00:55.:00:56.

weather. Cast your mind back 40 years to the

:00:57.:00:59.

summer of 76. 40 years ago today, we broke the temperature

:01:00.:01:13.

record. Today, some of us will struggle to get higher than 16

:01:14.:01:19.

Celsius. There is a lot of rain dialling in of the Atlantic. It has

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been a dry and bright start. It is turning cloudy and dab in the West.

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That process will continue as we go towards lunchtime. The rain is

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spreading eastwards. Northern Ireland and Scotland will not see

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persistent rain but some showers and limited brightness. It might break

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up later on across the far south-west. For most of us it will

:01:43.:01:47.

be damp and cold. For Wimbledon, it is OK but the cloud will thicken

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eventually. The roof will be needed. Plenty more rain in the Outlook.

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Good morning. Welcome to the programme.

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An emergency session of the European parliament -

:02:08.:02:08.

We cannot be embroiled in last thing uncertainty. We will drop in to more

:02:09.:02:31.

of those speeches live, particularly when Nigel Farage of Ukip speaks.

:02:32.:02:33.

Who are the runners and riders in the race

:02:34.:02:36.

for the Tory leadership - and the keys to Number Ten.

:02:37.:02:38.

And could Remainer Theresa May have a chance?

:02:39.:02:47.

- have turned around! My contract was always up to now is the time for

:02:48.:02:59.

someone else to oversee this extremely

:03:00.:03:00.

talented group. What can stop the rot that leaves

:03:01.:03:07.

England football fans feel Good morning. Here is Joanna in the

:03:08.:03:13.

newsroom. MEPs sitting in emergency sessions in the European

:03:14.:03:31.

Parliament have said the vote for temp to what is

:03:32.:03:34.

one of the worst... Nigel Farage is expected to

:03:35.:03:42.

speak shortly. John Claude Yunker has spoke of his

:03:43.:03:53.

regret but says the UK needs to swiftly clarify their position. We

:03:54.:03:59.

cannot be embroiled in last thing uncertainty. I am sad. Emotions are

:04:00.:04:10.

not too important in political life but I'm sad because I'm not a robot.

:04:11.:04:16.

I'm not a grey bureaucrats or technocrat.

:04:17.:04:28.

MPs were told there would be no special privileges. They would need

:04:29.:04:37.

to accept the free movement of people if they wanted access to the

:04:38.:04:41.

single market. The commission should not talk to British officials, in or

:04:42.:04:48.

out, there should be no prior negotiations with British

:04:49.:04:49.

representatives. We have, through the British

:04:50.:05:04.

referendum, lost so many other have launched a project but

:05:05.:05:13.

they have to carry on the project. Prime Minister will meet in Brussels

:05:14.:05:27.

at first talks since the result. Cameron will use a dinner to explain

:05:28.:05:32.

the decision to leave. He is expected to urge a positive attitude

:05:33.:05:43.

to negotiations though he will not be involved in them.

:05:44.:05:47.

Chancellor George Osborne says he will not seek to replace

:05:48.:05:49.

David Cameron as Conservative leader and Prime Minister.

:05:50.:05:54.

The Chancellor said he wouldn't be able to unite

:05:55.:05:56.

the party because he'd campaigned passionately for Britain

:05:57.:05:58.

The Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt is considering putting

:05:59.:06:01.

huge decision which will have an impact not just for the next five

:06:02.:06:09.

years but the next 75 years. The terms of our trade is unbelievably

:06:10.:06:14.

important in terms of jobs, opportunities and young people, for

:06:15.:06:17.

many generations. And I do think that people should have the chance

:06:18.:06:24.

to have their say on those terms. It could be a referendum, my preference

:06:25.:06:30.

would be as part of the Conservative manifesto. People need to have their

:06:31.:06:34.

say. Labour MPs will vote

:06:35.:06:37.

today on a motion of no confidence in their leader,

:06:38.:06:39.

Jeremy Corbyn. Mr Corbyn's aides insist that he has

:06:40.:06:41.

no intention of stepping down. Thousands of people turned out

:06:42.:06:44.

in Parliament Square last Thanks for your messages about the

:06:45.:07:07.

England team. This person said, it is time the FA resigned, they have

:07:08.:07:10.

delivered failure for the last 50 years. England manager and team a

:07:11.:07:18.

shambles. Big changes needed. Bring in a young manager like Eddie Howe

:07:19.:07:25.

or Michael O'Neill. Would you go for an England manager or a foreign

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manager? I don't think it matters, I think we just need a good manager.

:07:33.:07:36.

It is interesting hearing all the names up for consideration.

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I was interested to hear Arsene Wenger. I would love to see what he

:07:41.:07:45.

would do. I would love to see how he would take

:07:46.:07:48.

the team. suggesting him, it is whether the FA

:07:49.:08:00.

would have the courage to ask him and whether he would want one of the

:08:01.:08:01.

worst jobs in football. Exactly. It is a shame because the

:08:02.:08:05.

managerial Jose Mourinho has gone to Manchester

:08:06.:08:21.

United, so England will struggle to find the calibre of manager they

:08:22.:08:32.

wanted. Carry on with the reaction. The inquest has begun for the

:08:33.:08:35.

England football team because they are out the European Championship.

:08:36.:08:43.

Roy Hodgson stepped down immediately. Where do they go from

:08:44.:08:48.

here? The city where England suffered the worst defeat, where did

:08:49.:09:04.

it all go wrong? I just heard you nattering away about who the next

:09:05.:09:07.

person should be. That is going to be the debate.

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The FA said they will discuss their next steps imminently. England are

:09:11.:09:14.

on a bus heading to Nice airport. These are the pictures of them

:09:15.:09:20.

checking out of their hotel. On their way prematurely departing a

:09:21.:09:28.

major tournament yet again. night against Iceland, who were

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magnificent, it must be said. You mentioned the postmortems.

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Here are the thoughts of a couple of former England man about where it

:09:50.:10:02.

went wrong. It's a failure, as simple as that. Two

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Cup and we were out. This Euros, field to beat Slovakia and Russia,

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just beat Wales. Get beat by Iceland.

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No disrespect, England should be getting past those teams. No

:10:21.:10:29.

problems. I said throughout the tournament I did not think Roy had

:10:30.:10:33.

his best 11 and did not know his best system. It looked like he was

:10:34.:10:42.

making it up. He brought players into his squad that should not have

:10:43.:10:45.

been there. Jack Wilshere was never fit. He had not completed 90 minutes

:10:46.:10:54.

in over a year. When he's fit, which is rear, he's good player but he was

:10:55.:11:02.

not. It is pretty damning. You will hear similar sentiments. We do know

:11:03.:11:08.

that the FA need to get this right. That golden generation had always

:11:09.:11:14.

fell short over the past decade that included Wayne Rooney. They let the

:11:15.:11:26.

golden generation down. A very young core of players, the average age was

:11:27.:11:37.

25. Next England manager must fit those pieces, some very good

:11:38.:11:43.

players, into a system that actually works and can be competitive. It

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starts with qualifying for the Russian World Cup.

:11:49.:12:02.

We will keep you up-to-date. Gareth Southgate is leading the way at the

:12:03.:12:10.

moment. Who knows? In a moment we are expecting Nigel Farage to stand

:12:11.:12:15.

up in the European Parliament. They are having an emergency session to

:12:16.:12:20.

debate the UK vote to leave. It is the first time they've got

:12:21.:12:23.

together to give their verdict on the results. He is due to speak any

:12:24.:12:32.

moment now. If you want to watch the whole thing it's on BBC Parliament.

:12:33.:12:40.

By September we'll have a new payments to. Any conservative that

:12:41.:12:46.

wants to put their name in the ring has to do it by Thursday. Jeremy

:12:47.:12:50.

Hunt said he is seriously considering standing and ruled out

:12:51.:12:54.

another referendum. I'm not saying we have a second referendum on

:12:55.:12:57.

whether we Remain in the EU. We are leaving the EU. We must invoke

:12:58.:13:01.

Article 50, the legal mechanism to do that, within this

:13:02.:13:03.

Parliament. When we have negotiated the terms of

:13:04.:13:11.

our departure, this is a huge decision which will have an impact

:13:12.:13:14.

not just five years but the 75 years. The terms

:13:15.:13:17.

of trade with the countries on our doorstep is unbelievably

:13:18.:13:20.

important in terms of the jobs, the opportunities for young people, for

:13:21.:13:28.

many generations. People should have a chance to have their say on those

:13:29.:13:30.

terms. It could be a referendum. My preference would be

:13:31.:13:35.

as part of the Conservative manifesto.

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I do think people need to have their say on this very important issue.

:13:41.:13:47.

also reported to be considering standing on a joint platform. There

:13:48.:13:58.

are two candidates likely to tower over the others, Boris Johnson

:13:59.:14:11.

and Theresa May. The pair of them are very different characters.

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The race to become the next Conservative Prime

:14:23.:14:23.

The front runners are Boris Johnson and

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Boris Johnson - or Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, to use his

:14:27.:14:31.

His father is a former MEP and King George II

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is his great, great, great, great, great, great, great,

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Theresa May - or to use her full name,

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Her father was an Anglican priest and she grew up in a vicarage.

:14:45.:14:53.

She first decided to become a politician aged

:14:54.:14:55.

Boris Johnson was educated at Eton College, one of the country's

:14:56.:15:03.

top boarding schools, and went on to study

:15:04.:15:05.

He was a member of the Bullingdon Club, an

:15:06.:15:10.

elite, all-male dining society known for its alleged bizarre rituals, one

:15:11.:15:15.

of which David Cameron denied last year.

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That's right - the one involving a pig.

:15:18.:15:22.

Theresa May, on the other hand, went to a mix of grammar

:15:23.:15:25.

and comprehensive schools during her childhood,

:15:26.:15:28.

and went on to study geography, also at Oxford.

:15:29.:15:33.

Boris Johnson has had his fair share of

:15:34.:15:35.

He got fired from his job at the Times newspaper in 1988 for

:15:36.:15:40.

He has had to apologise to the whole of Liverpool

:15:41.:15:45.

over an article he wrote in 2004 for The Spectator magazine.

:15:46.:15:50.

And we certainly intended no insult to the people of Liverpool.

:15:51.:15:55.

And so far as any offence has been taken, I'm

:15:56.:15:58.

In 2004, he was also fired from the role of Shadow

:15:59.:16:06.

Arts Minister over allegations of an affair,

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Here he is running past reporters trying to avoid questions,

:16:09.:16:14.

Theresa May has kept a much lower profile.

:16:15.:16:22.

In 2002, she came to prominence when referring to claims

:16:23.:16:24.

that the Conservatives were the nasty party of politics.

:16:25.:16:29.

Our base is too narrow, and so occasionally are

:16:30.:16:31.

She faced vocal criticism from the Police Federation in her role as

:16:32.:16:41.

Through 21 years of front-line service I've faced everything,

:16:42.:16:47.

including being attacked, hospitalised, saving lives.

:16:48.:16:54.

I've never had such an attack and a personal kicking as every

:16:55.:16:58.

comment that came out from what you said then.

:16:59.:17:02.

And she wrongly stated in 2011 that an illegal immigrant

:17:03.:17:06.

could not be deported because of his pet cat.

:17:07.:17:15.

Since becoming Mayor of London in 2008, Boris Johnson has been

:17:16.:17:18.

He has been patriotic about table tennis.

:17:19.:17:24.

And I say to the Chinese, and I say to the world,

:17:25.:17:28.

Tripped up a child while playing football.

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And becomes synonymous with a mode of transport.

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For Theresa May there is just one quirk the media

:17:53.:17:55.

Her former campaign manager even called her shoes a

:17:56.:18:04.

leopardskin curse, as May is now expected to wear this

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Boris Johnson's most high profile position came after 2008, when he

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I and my team will work our socks off to

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deliver on our vision and our programme from London.

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More recently he became the figurehead for the

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And if we vote Leave, and take back control,

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I believe that this Thursday can be our country's

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But he has never held a Cabinet position.

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Many Conservative MPs worry if he has the right

:18:44.:18:45.

personality to carry out complex EU negotiations.

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He is, however, thought to have his eye

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Even if he has previously denied this.

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REPORTER: Would you like to be Prime Minister?

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Well, I would like to be the lead singer of an international

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Theresa May supported Remain in the referendum.

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She kept a low profile during the campaign.

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I do believe we are more secure in the EU.

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She is highly respected among Conservative MPs and has been Home

:19:18.:19:21.

Secretary, one of the most difficult positions in government, since 2010.

:19:22.:19:25.

In fact, the longest serving Home Secretary in more

:19:26.:19:27.

She is thought to have the backing of those Conservative MPs

:19:28.:19:32.

A source has told as Liam Fox is going to declare that he is also

:19:33.:19:54.

standing for the Conservative Party leadership, he will do that in the

:19:55.:19:59.

next 24 hours, a source telling us Liam Fox, the former Defence

:20:00.:20:03.

Secretary, former Conservative Defence Secretary, is also throwing

:20:04.:20:07.

his hat into the ring, in the next 24 hours. What do you read into

:20:08.:20:13.

that? Liam Fox will pitch himself as the

:20:14.:20:17.

Brexit candidates but not the divisive one. He has always said it

:20:18.:20:22.

needs to be someone like him who lead the Government, does the

:20:23.:20:26.

negotiations with Brussels. The concern has been figures like Boris

:20:27.:20:30.

Johnson at the forefront of the campaign, are perceived as too

:20:31.:20:34.

divisive, and will not be able to bring the party together.

:20:35.:20:38.

That will be his picture. There are an awful lot of people, seven or

:20:39.:20:46.

eight. Andrea Leadsom, Jeremy Hunt, Jeremy Crabbe, a big field.

:20:47.:20:51.

They need to get their names in by Thursday, noon, the clock is

:20:52.:20:55.

ticking. To repeat that news breaking in the

:20:56.:21:01.

last minute. ASOS telling us that Liam Fox is likely to throw, is

:21:02.:21:05.

going to throw his hat into the ring in the next 24 hours, he would like

:21:06.:21:11.

to be the next British Prime Minister. -- a source.

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Let's talk to two people who can really give you some more

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We may need to interrupt and go back to the European Parliament. We are

:21:20.:21:29.

waiting for Nigel Farage to speak. Andrew Gimson has known

:21:30.:21:31.

Boris Johnson since the 1980s and wrote the biography,

:21:32.:21:33.

Boris: The Rise of Boris Johnson. And Lady Catherine Meyer is a friend

:21:34.:21:36.

of Theresa May, who met the Home Secretary during her time

:21:37.:21:38.

working as a charity chief He was leaving Oxford, he wanted to

:21:39.:21:56.

get into journalism. I knew his then girlfriend who asked if her

:21:57.:22:02.

boyfriend could come and see me. I was working for the Spectator

:22:03.:22:06.

magazine. I was probably the most obscure person he should see. He

:22:07.:22:12.

left each of us with a heart inversion that we alone have got him

:22:13.:22:16.

into journalism. Tell us about his relationship with

:22:17.:22:21.

the truth, in terms of his journalistic career.

:22:22.:22:25.

He doesn't see what the story is. He saw that the president, Jack Delors,

:22:26.:22:31.

was grabbing power from the member states, and he dramatised that,

:22:32.:22:41.

rather as a playwright might, and the threat to the great British

:22:42.:22:47.

sausage. You described him as dramatising it,

:22:48.:22:51.

does that mean he tells lies? He tells the truth in an imaginative

:22:52.:22:57.

fashion. Your imaginative fashion is somebody

:22:58.:23:01.

else's lie. The idea that is a knock-down

:23:02.:23:05.

argument not just about Boris but anyone, somehow does not do justice

:23:06.:23:11.

to the richness of human life. Tell us what Theresa May is like as

:23:12.:23:14.

a friend? As a friend, she is wonderful. As

:23:15.:23:20.

our next Prime Minister she would be the best candidate. A pair of safe

:23:21.:23:25.

hands. She is hard-working, she is straight and honest, has attention

:23:26.:23:30.

to detail. Somebody I would personally entrust 100% to take this

:23:31.:23:36.

very confiscated mandate of taking us out of the EU.

:23:37.:23:41.

In terms of her personality, how does it compare to Boris Johnson?

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I could say it is the exact opposite.

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She is boring? Not at all. She is quiet. Somebody who is dutiful. As a

:23:52.:23:56.

private person, she is quite different, like any other woman, she

:23:57.:24:01.

likes to talk about clothes, her holidays, she has a wonderful

:24:02.:24:03.

husband. But as a politician, she is somebody

:24:04.:24:10.

first of all that knows Europe very well because she has been to the EU

:24:11.:24:15.

negotiating many times. I can imagine her coming in and saying,

:24:16.:24:20.

this is the deal we want. She could slam her fist on the table and

:24:21.:24:24.

defend our position. You will know part of her reputation

:24:25.:24:31.

is she is remote, cold, distant. Before you respond, let us go back

:24:32.:24:34.

to the European Parliament and here Nigel Farage.

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Thank you very much for that warm welcome.

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How things have changed. One second. TRANSLATION: One major

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quality of democracy is that you listen to those, even if you don't

:25:01.:25:05.

share their opinion. Thank you. Isn't it funny. When I

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came here 17 years ago and I said I wanted to lead a campaign to get

:25:16.:25:19.

Britain to leave the European Union, you all laughed at me.

:25:20.:25:25.

Well, I had to say, you are not laughing now, are you? The reason

:25:26.:25:30.

you are so upset, the reason you are so angry, has been perfectly clear

:25:31.:25:35.

from all the angry exchanges this morning. You, as a political

:25:36.:25:41.

project, are in denial. You are in denial your currency is failing, you

:25:42.:25:49.

are in denial... Well, just the act the Mediterranean. No, no, no. As a

:25:50.:25:55.

policy to impose party on Greece and the rest of the Mediterranean, you

:25:56.:25:59.

have done very well. And you are in denial over Angela Merkel's called

:26:00.:26:05.

last year for as many people as possible to cross the Mediterranean

:26:06.:26:10.

into the EU, has led to massive divisions between countries and

:26:11.:26:12.

within countries. But the biggest problem you have

:26:13.:26:17.

got, and the reason, the main reason the UK voted the way that it did, is

:26:18.:26:23.

that you have by stealth, by deception, without ever telling the

:26:24.:26:27.

truth to the British all the rest of the peoples of Europe, you have

:26:28.:26:34.

imposed upon them a political union. You have imposed upon them a

:26:35.:26:38.

political union. And when the people in 2005 in the

:26:39.:26:44.

Netherlands and France voted against that political union, when they

:26:45.:26:47.

rejected the constitution, you simply ignore them and brought the

:26:48.:26:50.

Lisbon Treaty in through the back door.

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APPLAUSE What happened last Thursday was a remarkable result.

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It was indeed a seismic result not just for British politics, for

:27:03.:27:05.

European politics, perhaps even for global politics as well. What the

:27:06.:27:10.

little people died, the ordinary people, what the people who have

:27:11.:27:14.

been oppressed over the last few years and seen their living

:27:15.:27:19.

standards go down, they rejected the multinationals, they rejected the

:27:20.:27:25.

merchant banks, they rejected politics. And they said, actually,

:27:26.:27:31.

we want our country back. We want our vision waters back, our borders

:27:32.:27:36.

back, we want to be an independent, self-governing, normal nation. And

:27:37.:27:41.

that is what we have done and what must happen.

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And, in doing so... APPLAUSE In doing so, we offer a

:27:44.:27:50.

beacon of hope to Democrats in the rest of the European conflict.

:27:51.:27:55.

I will make one prediction, the UK will not be the last member state to

:27:56.:27:59.

leave the European Union. So, the question is, what do we do

:28:00.:28:05.

next? It is up to the British Government

:28:06.:28:09.

to invoke article 50. And I have to say I do not think we should spend

:28:10.:28:14.

too long in doing it. I totally agree that the British people have

:28:15.:28:19.

voted, we need to make sure it happens.

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But what I would like to see is a grown-up and sensible attitude to

:28:25.:28:26.

how we negotiate a different relationship.

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Now... I know that virtually none of you

:28:33.:28:35.

have ever done a proper job in your lives.

:28:36.:28:46.

All have worked... Or work in business, or worked in

:28:47.:28:50.

trade, or indeed ever created a job. But, listen, just listen.

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TRANSLATION: Just a second. Ladies and gentlemen. I do understand that

:29:05.:29:08.

you are getting emotional. But you are acting like Ukip normally acts

:29:09.:29:14.

in this chamber. So, please. Don't imitate them. Mr Farage, I would say

:29:15.:29:23.

one thing to you. The fact that you are claiming nobody has done a

:29:24.:29:28.

decent job in their life, you can't really say that, I am sorry.

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You are quite right, you get used to protest against the establishment,

:29:34.:29:36.

now the establishment protests against Ukip, so something has

:29:37.:29:41.

happened here. Let us listen to some simple, pragmatic economic.

:29:42.:29:45.

We, between us, between your countries and my country, we do an

:29:46.:29:49.

enormous amount of business in goods and services. That trade is mutually

:29:50.:29:55.

beneficial to both of us. That trade matters. If you were to

:29:56.:29:59.

decide to cut off your noses to spite your face is, and to reject

:30:00.:30:04.

any idea of a sensible trade deal, the consequences would be far worse

:30:05.:30:12.

for you than it would be for us. And I, even no deal is better for the UK

:30:13.:30:20.

than the current rotten deal that we have got. But, if we were to move to

:30:21.:30:26.

a position where tariffs were reintroduced on products like

:30:27.:30:30.

motorcars, then hundreds of thousands of German workers would

:30:31.:30:35.

risk losing their jobs. So, why don't we just be pragmatic,

:30:36.:30:40.

sensible, grown up, realistic, and let us cut between us a sensible

:30:41.:30:50.

tariff free deal and, that after, recognise that the UK will be your

:30:51.:30:57.

friend, that we will trade with you, we will cooperate with you, be your

:30:58.:31:02.

best friends in the world. But do that sensibly and allow us to go off

:31:03.:31:09.

and pursue our global ambitions and future. Thank you.

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Nigel Farage was brewed has he stood up, heckled as he spoke,

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particularly as he insulted his fellow members of the EU. He got

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quite a lot of rounds of applause as well. He loves the headlines and

:31:30.:31:40.

loves the controversy. He pretty much rubbed the noses of the rest of

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Europe into the referendum result. I think we can maybe catch Marine Le

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Pen. The will of the people, the UK is leaving after the results of the

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referendum. This is perhaps the most important historic event on the

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continent since the fall of the Berlin Wall. It is a signal of

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Freedom sent out to the entire world, of love of people for their

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country. The British have chosen route they thought closed for all

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time. They thought it was irreversible. The British people

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have told you were to get off. This is a victory for democracy and a

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slap in the face to the European system. It was increasingly based on

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fear, blackmail, and lies. We seen examples in this chamber, threats of

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apocalypse, the stock exchange, the British, they saw through that and

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they decided to leave you to your indignation. For decades the

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European Union has been built on the back of ordinary people, France and

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the Netherlands, the Irish voting again.

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Posterity was forced down their throats, perpetual poverty was their

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fate. heresy. If you've been blind for

:33:45.:33:51.

decades by implementing absurd mass unemployment and immigration,

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it is difficult to come back down to reality and see what has happened.

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The propagandist are on the left or on the right. Put away the sulky

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faces and the angry looks. Rejoice in the Emancipation of people.

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Economic patriotism is a glowing future for the United

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Kingdom and that should motivate us to build a better future.

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I can already hear false truth discouraging others from going down

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the same path or wishing The European Union has decided we

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must respect their will in that period. The way ahead is simple.

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with the crazy schemes of those who want even more Europe, and if you go

:35:20.:35:30.

down that path, I guarantee you this

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totalitarian organisation will collapse.

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look for cooperation between free people and sovereign nations. I

:35:42.:35:53.

commit to pursuing the path of liberty.

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leave the leader of the France National Front. She is pursuing a

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similar path to Britain. Europhile's worst nightmare, the

:36:17.:36:35.

image of Europe breaking up, and both men predict that will happen.

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Nigel Farage says they are in denial over the consequences of Angela

:36:41.:36:54.

Merkel's decision to let in refugees.

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The real concern in Brussels are the shock waves it will send through the

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rest of the European Union. Nigel Farage revelling in the

:37:08.:37:14.

moment, saying you laughed at me for 17 years and you are not laughing

:37:15.:37:20.

now. Deliberately goading them and saying, none of you have done a

:37:21.:37:21.

proper job. He is a hate figure. This view are saying, what would we

:37:22.:37:38.

do with out Nigel Farage? This person says disgraceful comments

:37:39.:37:42.

from Nigel Farage which can cause further damage to any relationship

:37:43.:37:43.

with the EU. We will continue our conversation

:37:44.:37:47.

about the future leadership of the

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Conservative Party. A source has told this programme

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Liam Fox is going to throw his hat into the

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a man who has known Boris Johnson since the 1980s. I

:38:02.:38:18.

asked you about the public image of Theresa May,

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that she is cold and distant. If that accurate? Not at all.

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Not extrovert, like Boris, but a quiet and reserved person. She is

:38:32.:38:42.

actually quite shy and her shyness is what people see as her being

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called. She is not at all. I have been dealing with her as a

:38:45.:38:48.

friend and a minister and also she is a very warm person who

:38:49.:38:58.

is interested in difficult subjects like children, abuse of women,

:38:59.:39:07.

women's role in life in general. She's the contrary of being called

:39:08.:39:08.

person. What would Boris Johnson Premiership

:39:09.:39:15.

be right? It would be completely different to David

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Cameron, David Cameron uses his manners to control people but with

:39:20.:39:24.

Boris there is a feeling of liberty. He would want to imply people who

:39:25.:39:31.

would be good at things he is not suited to do like administrative

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stuff. He's not frightened of having other clever people around him. It

:39:36.:39:41.

would be a great deal more dramatic and, Boris does not think you

:39:42.:39:54.

achieve great things by being careful. What would Theresa May

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Premiership be like? Parolee the opposite. I think she is the person

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to lead this country. You know that this woman and I think this would be

:40:07.:40:17.

fantastic, a woman to negotiate in Brussels. Could you imagine Boris

:40:18.:40:23.

talking to Angela Merkel? I would feel very safe with somebody I know

:40:24.:40:29.

is hard-working, attention to detail, knows her facts and has been

:40:30.:40:34.

proven as a fantastic Home Secretary. I'm definitely voting for

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Theresa May. Thank you for your time and patience. The EU referendum

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result has divided the country by age, geography and class. The

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question has caused deep divisions within many families. This next

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conversation will be quite familiar to you. Mum is 42 and she voted to

:41:10.:41:22.

leave the European Union. Her twin daughters voted to Remain. Natasha

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is doing A-levels and Nikita escaped the aftermath to go on holiday in

:41:33.:41:37.

Canada but they are all here. Let's pretend I'm a fly on the wall in

:41:38.:41:40.

your kitchen, you're sitting round the kitchen table, the kind of

:41:41.:41:49.

conversations you've had about this vote, replicate them. It started

:41:50.:41:58.

from the polling station, the key to phone call from one of her friends.

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I was in the background saying, fought out, we're better off out. It

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went on to the polling station where we've gone to vote. I said, what did

:42:14.:42:21.

you vote for? She said it was confidential. I told you not to vote

:42:22.:42:26.

in. That is how it progressed. Me and my sister both voted Remain. I

:42:27.:42:32.

came to that conclusion soon compared to my sister and mum. But

:42:33.:42:37.

talking to both of them, listening to the facts, I came to that

:42:38.:42:41.

conclusion. Are you cross with each other? We were. When we found out we

:42:42.:42:51.

won, I went in first thing and said, we are out. She was really gutted. S

:42:52.:43:00.

to me, it is such a big risk. It is, we don't know what is happening, we

:43:01.:43:08.

don't know what we've done. We've been respectful but I strongly feel

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the best thing for us and the younger generation is to Remain. Let

:43:12.:43:17.

me bring you in. What do you think about this question might do you

:43:18.:43:21.

respect your mum's vote? I respect her but not her vote. It was really

:43:22.:43:29.

appalling, she did not realise the indication it would have, leaving

:43:30.:43:34.

the EU. I said we need to take everything into consideration,

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everyone was telling her, her family members telling her why we should

:43:41.:43:45.

leave, but I said, listen to us, we are younger, we are the future. What

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do you say? What I tried to point out, at the moment this is the storm

:43:56.:43:59.

before the calm, it will be a couple of years, we will face turmoil, but

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after that, the future generation will benefit from us excepting. It

:44:05.:44:14.

might be rocky for a couple of years and then there will be prosperity,

:44:15.:44:18.

according to your mum. It is not true. A prime example, the ?350

:44:19.:44:30.

million. Now they are saying it is a mistake, within days of leaving.

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Imagine what future is going to be like. What do you think about that?

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I think it's just a genuine mistake. I think the NHS will benefit.

:44:45.:44:52.

Somebody who wanted to become a doctor wants to have faith in the

:44:53.:44:58.

NHS to survive. To hear the next day it is a mistake, it is too big a

:44:59.:45:06.

mistake to make. I am angered by that, yes, that was a mistake that

:45:07.:45:10.

was made. That is a heck of a mistake.

:45:11.:45:20.

I still feel that in the long run it will be better for the junior

:45:21.:45:27.

doctors, the doctors and the NHS as well. Thank you very much. Enjoy the

:45:28.:45:31.

rest of the holiday. Labour MPs have started voting on a

:45:32.:45:54.

vote of no-confidence their leader, Jeremy Corbyn. Dame Margaret Hodge

:45:55.:46:03.

who tabled that motion of no-confidence told us that the

:46:04.:46:06.

turmoil within the Labour Party is the worst she has seen in years.

:46:07.:46:13.

We can talk now to John Woodcock who was at the meeting.

:46:14.:46:22.

with some Jeremy Corbyn officials in the corridor.

:46:23.:46:26.

I was fed up with the people around Jeremy, Jeremy himself is a really

:46:27.:46:36.

decent man. But the people around him were distorting with what had

:46:37.:46:39.

happened in what was meant to be a private meeting. We saw straight

:46:40.:46:45.

afterwards Jeremy going over to the Momentum rally which was full of

:46:46.:46:54.

people. They are not, in the main, Labour supporters. My point is that

:46:55.:47:03.

my fear is Jeremy has surrounded himself with staff who do not

:47:04.:47:07.

actually have the best interests of the Labour Party at heart.

:47:08.:47:15.

And I am encouraging him... What is their motivation? To keep him as

:47:16.:47:19.

leader? But he could change it just like that.

:47:20.:47:23.

In terms of stepping down? Absolutely. The meeting yesterday

:47:24.:47:29.

was powerful. It was passionate and, in the main, calm, in this teaching

:47:30.:47:37.

people. Nigel Farage is speaking again at

:47:38.:47:41.

the European Parliament. I represent Scotland but this house

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and I am proudly Scottish and proudly European.

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APPLAUSE I want my country... I want my country to be

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internationalist, Co-operative, ecological, fair, European. And the

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people of Scotland, along with the people of Northern Ireland, and the

:48:12.:48:16.

people of London and lots and lots of people in Wales and England also,

:48:17.:48:23.

voted to remain. To vote -- To remain within our family. I demand

:48:24.:48:29.

that that status and that spirit be respected.

:48:30.:48:32.

There are a lot of things to be negotiated. We will need cool heads

:48:33.:48:36.

and warm hearts. But, please, remember this. Scotland did not let

:48:37.:48:45.

you down. Please, I beg you, dear colleagues, do not let Scotland down

:48:46.:48:52.

now. A Scottish MEP, not Nigel Farage.

:48:53.:48:57.

Let us continue with John Woodcock, Labour MP. Talking about this

:48:58.:49:01.

meeting last night of the Parliamentary Labour Party and the

:49:02.:49:03.

rout with the officials around Jeremy Corbyn, do you say their

:49:04.:49:09.

interest is in keeping Jeremy Corbyn in place. Voting has begun on a vote

:49:10.:49:15.

of no-confidence. If Jeremy Corbyn realises by the end of the day that

:49:16.:49:20.

a lot of his Labour MPs do not have confidence in him, he is still not

:49:21.:49:24.

going anywhere. His spokespeople made that very

:49:25.:49:28.

clear. It was really striking, you couldn't have been in that meeting

:49:29.:49:33.

and not being really moved by the stories many MPs were giving,

:49:34.:49:37.

saying, Jeremy, we like and respect you but this is what is happening in

:49:38.:49:43.

our communities, the people we represent are saying this. There is

:49:44.:49:47.

no chance that you could form a Labour Government. And these people

:49:48.:49:50.

need a labour Government. They are frightened by what is happening with

:49:51.:49:55.

the Brexit from the EU, terrified by the aspect of a Boris Johnson

:49:56.:50:02.

premiership. We need to be in a position to win the election. If

:50:03.:50:07.

Jeremy has set his face against that, and it seems he has.

:50:08.:50:12.

Who can you unite, if someone had to challenge him, who with that person

:50:13.:50:15.

be? I am not sure.

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That is the question. How can you not know that already, you must have

:50:20.:50:24.

been thinking about that? I am not going to get drawn on

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names. Why not? What we have got now, until

:50:29.:50:36.

5pm, a ballot of no-confidence, are we constant in Jeremy's leadership.

:50:37.:50:43.

Let us see. My sense, and why you have got such a large number of MPs

:50:44.:50:48.

coming out, and so many resigning from the bench, so many speaking up

:50:49.:50:54.

who had been trying to make this work, is that, actually, the feeling

:50:55.:51:01.

in their constituencies, from nonlabour people, and Labour

:51:02.:51:05.

supporters and members, are changing.

:51:06.:51:08.

Here are some comments from supporters who continue to back him.

:51:09.:51:13.

Audrey says, the sooner these rebels leave the party, the sooner we can

:51:14.:51:17.

have a representative opposition. They have never got behind the

:51:18.:51:22.

leader. They are stuck with rigid, outdated ideas, they put themselves

:51:23.:51:27.

above the party and the country. We are in our communities every week

:51:28.:51:33.

listening to what people say. The feeling on the doorstep is looking

:51:34.:51:36.

at the Labour Party and saying, you are not in a state, we are worried

:51:37.:51:41.

about the Tories, you are not in a state to take them on. Many are

:51:42.:51:46.

asking us to actually show some leadership now, and potentially put

:51:47.:51:49.

this back on the table. Jeremy got a big mandate last year,

:51:50.:51:55.

but it was not a mandate that was set in aspic. Since then, we have

:51:56.:52:02.

had bad local election results, this catastrophic result...

:52:03.:52:05.

Better than you expected. No, actually, we are the first

:52:06.:52:10.

opposition to be losing seats for a very long time, this is really

:52:11.:52:14.

serious. Which is why the motion is happening today.

:52:15.:52:21.

Thank you. The results and the fallout from the referendum means

:52:22.:52:22.

the garment has a lot on its hands. We have been taking a look at the

:52:23.:52:40.

Government plans for the rest of the year.

:52:41.:52:46.

about to show you has some flashing images.

:52:47.:52:49.

The result to leave the EU is now the focus of the government's work

:52:50.:52:52.

So does the vacuum created by a lack of leadership mean government

:52:53.:52:57.

A government some might now call a zombie

:52:58.:53:00.

What about a third runway at Heathrow?

:53:01.:53:19.

Well, a decision was expected in July, but that now

:53:20.:53:22.

looks unlikely until a new leader is in place.

:53:23.:53:24.

It is expected the plans will be delayed until a new

:53:25.:53:30.

government works out its spending commitments.

:53:31.:53:35.

Will the nuclear power plant at Hinkley Point get built?

:53:36.:53:38.

September, but EDF, the company building it, is 85% owned

:53:39.:53:41.

So, until the terms of the UK exit are agreed, it's likely to be

:53:42.:53:51.

What is the future of the steel industry?

:53:52.:53:54.

Tata Steel was planning to publish They a bidders' shortlist

:53:55.:53:58.

40% of its steel is exported to the EU.

:53:59.:54:03.

So until a new trade relationship between the UK and the

:54:04.:54:06.

EU is worked out, it's likely to be delayed.

:54:07.:54:08.

The Defence Minister says he hopes a vote on whether to

:54:09.:54:11.

replace Britain's nuclear weapons will go ahead.

:54:12.:54:12.

Let's talk to Dr Ruth Fox from the Hansard Society

:54:13.:54:29.

which is a charity set up to improve the public's understanding

:54:30.:54:31.

And Dr Catherine Haddon from the Institute For Government

:54:32.:54:35.

which sets out to improve how governments work.

:54:36.:54:39.

David Cameron has said he is standing down

:54:40.:54:41.

as Prime Minister, what will that mean for the various plans

:54:42.:54:44.

It means the politically controversial things will be in

:54:45.:54:54.

hiatus waiting for the new promised. Trident, possibly like Heathrow,

:54:55.:55:06.

possibly like Parliament, the ?3.5 million project on Westminster. But

:55:07.:55:10.

the wheels of Parliament will carry on. Normal business will continue.

:55:11.:55:21.

How big a job will it be for civil servants now, who will have to

:55:22.:55:25.

effectively start uncoupling all Government departments from the EU?

:55:26.:55:32.

At the moment, they are preparing plans for what might be the options

:55:33.:55:36.

to put to the new Government. There won't be new decisions being taken

:55:37.:55:41.

but it is a massive job. The unit they announced will be coordinating

:55:42.:55:45.

this work, bringing it together from different departments. Departments

:55:46.:55:48.

themselves will have the big job of looking at the remit of the work

:55:49.:55:52.

they have and make sure it is communicated.

:55:53.:55:56.

Will they be focused on the EU rather than Government bills?

:55:57.:56:02.

It is worth remembering a lot of Government business has been in

:56:03.:56:05.

hiatus for a long time. Routine stuff, announcements of consultation

:56:06.:56:10.

features, on the back burner not just because ministers were busy

:56:11.:56:13.

with the campaign, but because they did not want these new

:56:14.:56:16.

announcements. It adds another level confusion.

:56:17.:56:23.

The civil servants will be busy. Elected ministers, are they treading

:56:24.:56:28.

water for the next few months? There is day-to-day business they

:56:29.:56:31.

have to carry on. Ministers in the Commons today are

:56:32.:56:36.

having to speak to the Finance Bill. House of Lords doing the same thing.

:56:37.:56:43.

That business will grind on. It is the politically controversial stuff,

:56:44.:56:45.

things where there may be divisions within the Tory party, like

:56:46.:56:51.

Heathrow. George Osborne was on the radio this

:56:52.:56:57.

morning saying they had contingency plans economic leak in the event of

:56:58.:57:04.

a leave vote, but not plans in terms of the civil service. The civil

:57:05.:57:13.

service were told not to do that preparatory work.

:57:14.:57:17.

Was that right? It is tricky, they serve the Government of the day, the

:57:18.:57:29.

Government's position was to remain. You could argue, and in 1975, there

:57:30.:57:37.

were contingency plans. You could argue they should have done a little

:57:38.:57:41.

more work. Because we want this delay before we trigger article 50,

:57:42.:57:43.

it gives them an opportunity. We have a Conservative Party

:57:44.:57:59.

leadership. Potentially a general election.

:58:00.:58:05.

Then, a couple of years to excavate ourselves from the EU.

:58:06.:58:14.

-- extricate. On the programme tomorrow, one

:58:15.:58:18.

subject will dominate, we will keep you across the latest elements.

:58:19.:58:23.

Thank you for watching. We are back tomorrow at 9am, have a very good

:58:24.:58:24.

day.

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