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Hello, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, | :00:09. | :00:10. | |
Theresa May gives the go-ahead for Britain's first new nuclear | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
Hinkley Point C in Somerset will become the biggest | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
The fashion industry contributes billions to the UK economy | :00:21. | :00:26. | |
and with London Fashion Week about to get underway, | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
we'll be talking about why it's become so important and how it | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
directly influences what you'll be buying on the high | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
Also this morning, the Government says that BBC stars who earn more | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
than ?150,000 a year should be named. | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
109 familiar faces would be on the list including | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. | :00:46. | :01:02. | |
Today, with London Fashion Week just about to get underway | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
we will be talking about the British fashion industry - | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
not just its impact on what you wear, but its impact | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
Are you one of the third of drivers who admit to using your mobile phone | :01:12. | :01:33. | |
behind the wheel. So many people still refuse to switch off. We'll | :01:34. | :01:39. | |
bring you an update on HMRC and your Tax Credits. | :01:40. | :01:48. | |
Our top story today is that the Government has confirmed | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
that it's giving the go-ahead to the controversial Hinkley Point | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
nuclear power station in Somerset - but it's attaching new conditions. | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
Full details will be revealed in Parliament this afternoon, | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
but the Government says it's reached a revised agreement | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
with the French energy company EDF which will build the plant. | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
Well, let's get more on this from our political | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
That has been on and off, what's happened now? It's all systems go | :02:09. | :02:17. | |
for Hinkley and the reason for that bluntly is saying no was just too | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
difficult because the concern is, if Theresa May decided to pull the | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
plug, that would have, I mean dealt a body blow to our relations with | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
the Chinese who're investing billions here, so didn't seem a good | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
idea. More than that, I think there were genuine concerns in the wake of | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
Brexit that if Theresa May said no, what kind of message does that send | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
out to the rest of the world about Britain being open for business. | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
There were concerns about the economy. Hinkley massive boost, not | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
just for the local economy but for the UK generally, creating what, | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
around 25,000 jobs. It would have raised a big question mark about how | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
committed Theresa May was to pressing ahead with the huge | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
infrastructure projects. We have got Heathrow, HSII coming down the lain, | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
did it raise a question mark there? And there was the basic question, if | :03:06. | :03:14. | |
not nuclear, then what? -- down the line. We have talked about North Sea | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
oil, the winds are dodgy, can't rely on that, so what are we going to do? | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
Are we just going to rely on questionable regimes and Russia to | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
supply us with oil and gas. Faced with that, when you bundle all that | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
together, I think Theresa May thought she's in a difficult place, | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
there's not really a better option, she's going to give the go-ahead. | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
More details this afternoon. Will most politicians support this or | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
what? What is the background? Yes-ish, I think. I think the real | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
sort of, if you like, catch in all of this, is the security issue. | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
Theresa May, as we know, one of her big issues is security. It comes | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
from her Home Secretary background. She was clearly nervous about the | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
Chinese having a role in our nuclear industry and in particular building | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
a Chinese only nuclear power station at Bradwell in Essex. The Government | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
today's come up with what they regard as conditions to reassure | :04:17. | :04:18. | |
people on the security front. I think there'll be an argument over | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
that as to whether that's all just window dressing. It amounts to | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
nothing maybe, because the security conditions, what they basically | :04:28. | :04:31. | |
amount to is that, for future deals and nuclear agreements, the | :04:32. | :04:35. | |
Government can block them if they are unhappy as to who these nuclear | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
plants are being sold to. That's a future deal so it doesn't affect the | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
current deal at Hinkley and it doesn't affect the current deal at | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
Bradwell. This was Greg Clark, the Business Secretary this morning | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
telling me why he believed the security conditions would make a | :04:54. | :04:55. | |
difference. I think it was right for a new | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
Government to look seriously at all the components of the deal and what | :05:02. | :05:08. | |
we have decided is that for critical infrastructure generally, we want to | :05:09. | :05:12. | |
make sure that our powers in this country are comparable to those of | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
others to be able to check that national security considerations are | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
taken into account. What we have done here in Hinkley is required | :05:22. | :05:28. | |
that the EDF, the principal operator, guarantees, makes a | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
commitment that they won't dispose of their stake without the | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
Government's consent unless and million the plant is built and, in | :05:35. | :05:41. | |
future, all other nuclear stations will be subject to the same regime | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
-- unless and until. Here is the question pundits will be asking, has | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
Theresa May blinked because she scrapped the original announcement | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
saying she wanted more time. She marched us up to the hill pretty | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
much saying I've got to check this out. People will now question how | :06:01. | :06:06. | |
has she marched us down the hill and done pretty much the deal which | :06:07. | :06:07. | |
David Cameron did. Thank you very much for the moment. | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
Simon Jack is here. How much is this going to cost? It's going to cost | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
?18 billion is the estimate. The good news is, we are not paying for | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
that. EDF and the Chinese are stumping up all of that money so | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
they are going to bear the cost of production. The bad news is the | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
electricity it produces is much more expensive than we are paying at the | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
moment so in effect we are subsidising it so we could see | :06:33. | :06:39. | |
something of a rise in the electricity. The Chinese in a way | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
saved this project. It was going nowhere. EDF didn't have enough cash | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
to build this. The Chinese said we'll give you a third of the money | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
but on the understanding we get to build one in a couple of reactors' | :06:52. | :06:58. | |
time, we get our own built, Chinese designed and run reactor, that | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
British kite mark on a Chinese reactor, they could sell it all | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
around the world. That's the big prize for them and yes, with the | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
strings attached that could really strangle the deal. So it still might | :07:10. | :07:17. | |
not be built? What I mean is that if the China think this new legal | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
frameworks amount to an understanding that they could build | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
that and that was a guarantee, they may look at it. They are not that | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
interested in Hinkley. They want one of their reactors here are British | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
approval which they could then sell around the world. I think it's going | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
to be interesting to see the Chinese' reaction to this because | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
they say it's about foreign Government. They don't want to say, | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
we don't trust you. Their reaction is key, if they think they are being | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
told you haven't got a guarantee about Bradwell, they could still | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
reconsider. We have to be a bit careful about saying this will get | :07:56. | :07:56. | |
built. Thank you very much. | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
The care system in England is failing to meet the needs | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
of an increasing number of vulnerable older people. | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
The support they currently receive is dependent on where they live | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary | :08:08. | :08:17. | |
The care system in England is failing to meet the needs | :08:18. | :08:25. | |
of an increasing number of vulnerable older people. | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
The support they currently receive is dependent on where they live | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
Here's our social affairs correspondent, Alison Holt. | :08:32. | :08:39. | |
Ann and Cyril Thomas find increasingly they need help at home. | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
He has Parkinson's and memory loss, she has problems getting about. | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
Family help a lot, but after she had to go to hospital, the asked | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
They found care workers struggling with caseloads. | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
Sometimes they're given so many people to care for, | :08:54. | :08:55. | |
you don't know what time you're going to have someone | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
coming to put you to bed, get you up in the morning. | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
And today's report by two leading think tanks says the social care | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
system which helps people with such things as washing, | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
It points to ongoing cuts to council care budgets, | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
a growing shortage of the care staff needed to support an ageing | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
population, and it concludes even large home-care | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
Two of the largest national providers of home care in the last | :09:21. | :09:29. | |
year have pulled out of local authority contracts. | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
Many more providers are handing contracts back to | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
And the situation now is perilous, quite frankly. | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
You miss not being able to do your garden, don't you? | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
The Department of Health says it recognises the pressures, | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
but insists it has significantly increased the money available | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
to local authorities to help provide affordable, dignified care. | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
You can find out the cost of care in your area by using the BBC's | :09:51. | :10:04. | |
You enter your postcode, local council name or Northern Ireland | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
health board and it will bring up how much an hour of homecare costs, | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
and information about the fees charged in residential | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
The BBC will have to reveal the salary details of all employees | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
and presenters paid more than ?150,000 a year, | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
The proposal is part of the draft for a new BBC charter which will be | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
The BBC had argued against the change, saying it would make it | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
Vulnerable victims and witnesses of crime in England and Wales | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
will no longer have to appear in court, under new plans to roll | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
The cross-examinations will be recorded and played during the trial | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
sparing both victims and witnesses the stress of reliving traumatic | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
Under the shake-up, more minor offences will also be dealt | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
A new row has broken out in the Labour Party over a list | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
of MPs accused of "abuse" towards the leader Jeremy | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
Two MPs have made formal complaints after they were named | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
on the list, which was compiled by Mr Corbyn's team. | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
Deputy leader Tom Watson, who also featured on the list, | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
The number of drivers admitting to using a mobile phone while behind | :11:22. | :11:35. | |
the wheel has risen to nearly a third, according to | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
Research from motoring organisation the RAC, | :11:40. | :11:41. | |
has found 31 percent of drivers admitted using their phone, | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
According to the Department for Transport, 21 people | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
were killed in 2014 by drivers who were distracted by their mobile. | :11:49. | :11:57. | |
Five Russians are trapped in a cave in the Arctic surrounded by polar | :11:58. | :12:06. | |
bears. A helicopter has delivered fresh supplies, including flares to | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
try to scare the bears away. A soologist explained what was going | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
on. These people are in a small hut or cabin trying to do some work | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
there and they are in an area that's always been occupied by polar bears. | :12:23. | :12:28. | |
Over the last several years, the sea ice has been less and less available | :12:29. | :12:31. | |
and melting earlier in the spring and coming back later in the fall | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
and, over the last 30 years, these bears are contending with about 55 | :12:37. | :12:48. | |
days of less sea ice. Bears can only catch their food. They have food in | :12:49. | :12:57. | |
their huts and they are cooking. They have attractive smells there | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
that might bring bears around. If you are a bunch of hungry bears and | :13:01. | :13:08. | |
the only thing that smells of food is humans, that's where you are | :13:09. | :13:09. | |
going to go. The number of drivers admitting | :13:10. | :13:30. | |
to using a mobile phone while behind the wheel has risen to nearly | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
a third, according to Research from motoring | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
organisation the RAC, has found 31 percent of drivers | :13:37. | :13:38. | |
admitted using their phone, According to the Department | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
for Transport, 21 people were killed in 2014 by drivers | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
who were distracted by their mobile. Now some sport. Paralympics GB have | :13:45. | :13:56. | |
broken more records. They have beaten the total number of medals | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
they won at London 2012, making 2016 the best ever performance. Take a | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
deep breath before these success stories. Hannah Cockroft clinched | :14:09. | :14:15. | |
the T 34, 400 metre title in world record time. The 24-year-old had | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
already won the 100 metres at the weekend. Can she make it three in a | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
row when she competes tomorrow? In the pool, Hannah Russell swam to S | :14:26. | :14:33. | |
12 and won the gold. A dominant race by her, she touched home almost six | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
seconds ahead of her nearest rival. British one twos also in the SB | :14:40. | :14:47. | |
14100 metre breaststroke. Earlier in the day, Sarah Storey won | :14:48. | :15:00. | |
the 13th gold of her career. Time trial gold picked up. Kadeena | :15:01. | :15:08. | |
Cox became the first to win medals in two different sports. She | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
followed up her gold in cycling with a T 38400 metre title on the track | :15:14. | :15:17. | |
and celebration dance moves there on the podium. | :15:18. | :15:25. | |
What a day, Para GB have a total of 95 medals from Rio 2016, 43 gold, | :15:26. | :15:34. | |
incredible. The Russian hackers have struck | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
again, Sir Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome this time? | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
Yes, they call themselves Fancied Their and have released their second | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
set of files including the two cyclists. It is important to stress | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
there is no suggestion that the athletes are involved in any | :15:54. | :15:56. | |
wrongdoing, the information released is mostly therapeutic and related to | :15:57. | :16:05. | |
their medical needs. It is believed to hacks are retaliation for | :16:06. | :16:18. | |
Russia's ban due to doping but the Russian authorities have denied any | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
involvement. Chris Froome has released a statement which says, I | :16:22. | :16:27. | |
have openly discussed these things with the media and have no issues | :16:28. | :16:30. | |
with the leaks, which only confirm my statements. I have twice used a T | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
U E for exasperated asthma, the last time was in 2014. | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
Let's talk about Leicester, what an astonishing start to their Champions | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
League campaign, their first ever. Yes, an historic first win for them | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
in the Champions League, the fairy tale keeps rolling on for them. They | :16:51. | :16:55. | |
won against Belgian side Bruges, and it did not take long to get the ball | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
rolling. Marc Albrighton scored their first shot after five minutes | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
and how about this for a free kick? Riyad Mahrez cold in a beauty before | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
the break and added another from the penalty spot in the second half, 3-0 | :17:09. | :17:14. | |
the Final Score. Manchester City swept aside pro-Russian munching | :17:15. | :17:18. | |
blood back in their fixture. Rain forced the game to be postponed | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
yesterday and the Germans might be wishing it had rained heavily a | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
game, they were stumped 4-0, Sergio Aguero scoring a hat-trick. Not a | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
great start for Spurs, a record-breaking crowd, in excess of | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
85,000 at Wembley, saw them lose 2-1 to Monaco. Spurs are playing at the | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
National Stadium because of reduced capacity as they rebuild their White | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
Hart Lane ground. We will be hearing from the director | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
of UK Sport to explain the success in Radio 4 Para GB. | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
Thank you. As New York Fashion Week | :17:57. | :17:58. | |
wraps up today, attention has moved to London, | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
where our Fashion Week Big British designers Burberry | :18:01. | :18:02. | |
will be there, as will Mary Katrantzou and Christopher Kane, | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
who is celebrating 10 years Prime Minister Theresa May | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
is hosting a reception for designers and industry insiders | :18:08. | :18:18. | |
at Downing Street tonight. And it is not surprising she thinks | :18:19. | :18:20. | |
it is important - the British fashion industry adds ?28 billion | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
to the UK economy each year and Fashion Week itself generates | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
?100 million in orders. So what does the industry offer | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
to Britain and how does With British Vogue turning 100 this | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
year, we have the magazine's deputy Also, Roy Luwolt, the co-founder | :18:32. | :18:36. | |
of luxury shoe brand Malone Souliers, who is showing | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
at London Fashion Week Hannah Rafter is 22 - | :18:41. | :18:42. | |
she had to do seven unpaid internships until she landed her | :18:43. | :18:52. | |
current job as a junior And Sophie Walker is the leader | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
of the Women's Equality Party who have launched a campaign called | :18:56. | :18:58. | |
#NoSizeFitsAll to keep consumers conscious of body image | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
during London Fashion Week. Good morning all of you, thank you | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
for coming on the programme. Let's talk about London and the impact it | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
has on the UK economy. As he said, 28 billion, the fashion industry is | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
worth 28 billion to Britain. Our exports in fashion wear alone was I | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
think 5.6 billion this last year. I'm sure that figure will rise in | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
the next year with the dollar. I think it is 880,000 jobs. 880,000? | :19:31. | :19:41. | |
880,000 jobs connected to the fashion industry. Companies like | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
Mulberry have got two factory is now down in Somerset, jobs in areas | :19:47. | :19:50. | |
where there is low employment. I think the fashion industry here in | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
London and in the rest of the country means that we are a big | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
player on the world stage. Tourists flood from all over the world here. | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
You are showing at London Fashion Week for the first time, here are | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
some of your shoes. Tell the audience how much these might cost? | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
Riyal interesting trend in that we serve a wide spectrum of the market, | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
so if you look at the couture pieces, the red ones, each one of | :20:19. | :20:24. | |
the shoes has a female name to it, that is a couture piece and that is | :20:25. | :20:33. | |
6000 pounds. What?! You are joking me?! Who buys a pair of shoes for | :20:34. | :20:39. | |
?6,000?! That was specially paid for Michelle Obama, so that is | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
different, and it was a gift from the brand. Wow. Just to be clear, if | :20:43. | :20:50. | |
you work... Have you sold any of these? No, we don't sell these, this | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
special power we do not sell. This is something that would come in with | :20:56. | :20:59. | |
a private order, a bespoke request or something. How can that be worth | :21:00. | :21:08. | |
?6,000? It takes about six months to create the structure, every aspect | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
of it is unique, and it is unique to the person wearing them. It is not | :21:13. | :21:18. | |
something that can be produced as skill, it is impossible. The rest of | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
these are an average price of 500 or ?600, those are the ones that would | :21:24. | :21:30. | |
sell all over the world. Are we likely to see copies, Emily, of | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
these kinds of shoes in the high street after Roy have shown at | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
London Fashion Week for the first time? That is what tends to happen, | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
designers parade couture stuff... The high street takes a lot of broad | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
trends from what you see on the catwalks, the high street also is | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
incredibly helpful with younger designers, they do a lot of | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
collaborations, young designers struggle financially so the high | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
street is very supportive back. I don't know whether these particular | :22:01. | :22:03. | |
designs, you might see similar, but it is a lot of broad strokes, so we | :22:04. | :22:10. | |
have got a lot of backless loafers, Gucci, you will have seen that in | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
the high-street, similar. So, yes, you will see, a lot of what we see | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
this weekend, you will see elements of it, inspiration, moving to the | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
catwalk, I mean high-street, pretty quickly. How many weeks? Some can | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
turn it around in six to eight weeks. Some designers are not too | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
happy about that element of it... There are laws to protect them. But | :22:37. | :22:43. | |
for the consumers, it is fantastic, to be honest! Hannah, what is it | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
like working in the fashion industry? To get to a paid job you | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
have had to do seven internships, unpaid work experience? I did all my | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
internships as part of my university degree, so I chose a degree that had | :22:57. | :23:03. | |
a placement year, so my university was a big advocate of working in | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
fashion, they promoted paid internships but in my area, PR and | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
marketing, there is such a huge demand for that area of fashion that | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
brands and agencies don't pay in terms, but what I do say is they | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
paid all of my expenses, all of my lunch was paid for, and I have | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
several friends that also work in the industry as buyers, | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
merchandisers, technologists, who, because there is a lack of people | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
wanting to do those sorts of jobs, brands can pay them for that. But as | :23:34. | :23:40. | |
my area is so highly, people want to work in that area, especially | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
Fashion Week, every girl's dream, so while there is huge demand for it I | :23:47. | :23:51. | |
think brands and agencies can not pay in turns. But I think it is | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
slowly changing, I talk about internships on a daily basis and | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
when I do the research so many more brands are saying that agencies pay | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
the interns now because they are looking at new laws and there are | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
new programmes out there from when I started two years ago. It is slowly | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
changing for PR and marketing as well as other areas. There are laws | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
in a company for more than one month without being paid. Correct. If the | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
company wants to hold onto the talent, you are encouraged to take | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
them on as a paid in turn four I think six months. Alternatively you | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
have the option of hiring volunteers who can come and go as they please | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
in terms of timing, so you cannot say they must work a minimum number | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
of hours during the week... For nothing? Yes, because it can help | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
experience if you are not able to pay them. Most people accept the | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
principle of work experience, most people watching have done a bit, | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
whatever area it is, it is just you cannot keep doing free work, can | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
you? Although you don't regret it because it has helped you get where | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
you are, Hannah? I don't regret it because the area I went into, I knew | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
it would be top. Every interview was me against 20 girls. The experience | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
I have had in fashion, interning at several high-street brands and | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
agencies, has been invaluable and given me my work ethic, | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
opportunities to now do freelance work for those companies. I went to | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
New York Fashion Week and worked there based on my experience in | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
London. It is who I am today and got me my job now so I don't regret it. | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
Sophie Walker, leader of the Women's Equality Party, a view on | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
internships in the fashion industry brand-newWe want to see a fairer | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
approach to work. The retail industry employs predominantly | :25:53. | :25:55. | |
women, it attracts predominantly women, and as a result it is | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
predominantly women who are suffering from unequal pay and no | :26:00. | :26:07. | |
pay. We are also very, very keen to see a switch up in the levels of men | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
and women at senior levels, it is very interesting to us that only 40% | :26:12. | :26:19. | |
of main womenswear brands have female designers at the helm, and | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
when you look at senior executives, top executives, of fashion brands, | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
only 14% are female so there is a huge inequality there. Tell our | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
audience about your #NoSizeFitsAll campaign? The Women's Equality Party | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
was set up about a year ago because we did not feel the other political | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
parties were fully understanding women's needs and experiences when | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
they thought about the decisions made and how we make legislation and | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
look after people in this country. We have launched #NoSizeFitsAll | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
because we want to have a discussion based around Fashion Week about the | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
huge far-reaching influence of the fashion industry's obsession with a | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
uniform the extremely small size. We are looking at the Sample sizes | :27:08. | :27:13. | |
specifically, which are much, much, much smaller than the average size | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
in the UK. Why is that an issue? Because the power of the imagery is | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
significant, we sourced no fewer than 28 reports from the UK, Europe, | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
North America, Canada, proving the link between media imagery and how | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
we feel about our bodies, positively or negatively, and how when we feel | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
negatively about our bodies it puts us at risk of eating disorder which | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
is a major public health issue now. And a cost to the NHS. Precisely, | :27:43. | :27:49. | |
there are 1.3 million people in the UK who suffer from eating disorders. | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
About 90% of them are women and girls so it is a public health issue | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
that disproportionately affect women and girls. It is costing the economy | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
about ?1.6 billion per year in terms of lost productivity and health care | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
costs. Roy, as co-founder of a shoe brand you are not necessarily the | :28:10. | :28:13. | |
design but do you think people like yourself, a great influence in the | :28:14. | :28:17. | |
fashion industry, take the responsibility of the images you | :28:18. | :28:28. | |
project in magazines, advertising hoardings, so on, seriously enough? | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
Indeed, and if I may start by pointing out a couple of things that | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
were mentioned. The majority of my firm is ruled by women. My designer | :28:34. | :28:36. | |
but also the people in the brand team, the people who lead the teams | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
in product development, the accountant. I think there has been a | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
big shift in the fashion industry, which is not to say it is healed and | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
I agree with a lot of the points but at the same time we are now an | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
industry that's not to support but propagates diversity, so it goes | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
beyond just the image, that is a small part of what is a bigger | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
problem. But it is a very powerful image. It is indeed, and to my | :29:01. | :29:06. | |
point, our campaigns are always looking for something that is not | :29:07. | :29:08. | |
mainstream in terms of the representation that we'd use in the | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
models and indeed look books and all that, and it is all about | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
understanding how to connect with a consumer who wants to feel something | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
more emotive, which goes through all sizes and shapes, and, most | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
importantly, from a physical perspective -- fiscal perspective, | :29:27. | :29:30. | |
some people cannot afford that ?600 pair so we start from ?200, and the | :29:31. | :29:38. | |
element of women being paid less, it goes to what products are preferred, | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
that makes it inclusive for them. So I think there is a big | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
responsibility that fashion plays, it is not entirely revolutionised | :29:47. | :29:53. | |
but I think certainly there is a big acceptance of propagation of | :29:54. | :29:57. | |
continuity of understanding, it is great to accept different types and | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
ethnicities and all but. It is definitely time for fashion to | :30:02. | :30:04. | |
evolve. The point we are making is we want to see next year on London | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
Fashion Week designers showing at least two sample sizes, one of which | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
should be size 12 or above, because when you start to change the idea of | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
what is acceptable you lead the way in diversity and acceptance. At | :30:20. | :30:26. | |
London Fashion Week we had lots of catwalks with four sizes up. It has | :30:27. | :30:36. | |
become mainstream. It is not even a novelty any more. We shoot and | :30:37. | :30:45. | |
accept... Models are different ages. But it is not mainstream, when we | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
look at the images... It happens, she has been shot naked, in her | :30:52. | :30:57. | |
complete beauty of natural... Sophie is saying it is not mainstream. | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
There is increased diversity, very slowly, but what we are seeing is an | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
exploration of opposite extremes. We are being shown an alternative | :31:08. | :31:14. | |
version. I don't think it is exploration. It is seen as | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
opposition, not a true exploration of the many sizes we are. | :31:21. | :31:27. | |
Post-referendum, do you see any difference in sales, or is it too | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
soon? I'm a business graduate and business man specifically. My | :31:33. | :31:36. | |
interest in fashion comes from the strategies, as well as the brand | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
elements which goes into understand why people want what they want and | :31:40. | :31:45. | |
how to provide that to them at the right price and so on. It's | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
psychological, Brexit. Quite a lot of people are happy about it, | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
perhaps not in the fashion industry? At the same time, yes, it's going to | :31:54. | :31:59. | |
affect us eventually, but one thing about fashion is it's the one | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
goalpost that can move as flexibly as we wish it to, so we take the | :32:04. | :32:15. | |
mantle on the whole and shift it. Part of the rationale of Theresa May | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
holding this reception ahead of the start of London Fashion Week is to | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
make it really clear, as she does every time she speaks about the | :32:23. | :32:25. | |
referendum result, Britain is open for business. Correct. Absolutely. | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
It's great she's holding a reception tonight. I think it's really | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
important that we continue to grow our industry at home. We still do an | :32:35. | :32:41. | |
enormous amount of manufacturing abroad, the past Government also | :32:42. | :32:45. | |
provided huge grants to have factories here. There is a huge | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
amount of talent up north. I think we have got to continue the funding | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
here in the industry so that we are not sending... Absolutely. Creating | :32:54. | :33:00. | |
jobs here at home. Creating jobs for Europe. London plays a role Paris | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
doesn't play. London Fashion Week will not decline in any way, we'll | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
just have to realise the challenge we have been give tonne make sure we | :33:09. | :33:11. | |
continue to lead what is a big economy boost to the entire country. | :33:12. | :33:13. | |
Thank you very much all of you. Still to come: The latest on the tax | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
credit row and the Government's decision not to renew a contract | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
with the private company responsible And searching for Purple Aki - | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
we'll have a special report on the myths and reality | :33:24. | :33:31. | |
of a Merseyside man who children Annita McVeigh is in the BBC | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
Newsroom with a summary The Government has confirmed that | :33:37. | :33:47. | |
it's giving the go-ahead to the controversial Hinkley Point | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
nuclear power station in Somerset. Ministers have approved the deal | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
for a new ?18bn nuclear power station in the UK | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
but with new conditions attached. The plant is being financed | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
by the French and the Chinese and the Prime Minister had | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
postponed its approval Health experts have warned the | :34:08. | :34:21. | |
social health care system is failing to meet the needs of the elderly. In | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
a report, the King's Fund and Nuffield Trust say the local | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
authorities support older people received was based on where they | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
lived, rather than their need. The BBC will have to reveal the | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
salary details of employees and presenters paid more than ?150,000 a | :34:40. | :34:42. | |
year under Government plans. The proposal is part of the draft for a | :34:43. | :34:46. | |
new BBC charter which will be published later today. The BBC had | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
argued against the change, saying it would make it harder to attract | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
talent. Vulnerable victims and witnesses of | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
crime in England and Wales will no longer have to appear in court under | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
new plans to roll out pre-tile evidence sessions. The | :35:01. | :35:03. | |
cross-examinations will be recorded and played during the trial, sparing | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
both victims and witnesses the stress of reliving traumatic events | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
in open court. Under the shake-up, more minor | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
offences will be dealt with entirely online. | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
That's a summary of the latest news. More at ten. And the sports | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
headlines now with Jess. It was another golden day | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
for Great Britain at the paralympics in Rio Hannah Cockcroft | :35:27. | :35:29. | |
won her second gold of the games, one of 9 titles for Paralympics GB | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
on day seven of the Games. With 95 medals overall, | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
they've now surpassed their London The World Anti doping agency has | :35:37. | :35:42. | |
criticed a further leak of its medical files | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
by Russian hackers. The latest batch reveals information | :35:47. | :35:48. | |
about a number of British athletes including Sir Bradley Wiggins | :35:49. | :35:50. | |
and Chris Froome. What a start for champions | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
league life for Leicester. Riyad Mahrez scored twice | :35:53. | :35:55. | |
as they beat Brugge 3-0 in Belgium in their first ever match | :35:56. | :35:57. | |
in the competition. Manchester City beat | :35:58. | :36:01. | |
Borussia Munchengladbach but Spurs And the ECB has announced | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
plans for a new twenty twenty competition to run alongside | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
the current T20 Blast. The new format will feature 8 teams | :36:12. | :36:13. | |
and it's hoped it will rival the Indian Premier League | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
and Australia's Big Bash. This programme's exclusive report | :36:18. | :36:19. | |
that a US firm was wrongly stopping tax credits for thousands of people | :36:20. | :36:31. | |
led to HMRC not renewing And yesterday in Parliament, | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
the issue prompted an urgent Let's talk now to our reporter | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
Peter Whittlesea who has more. Today there are executives from | :36:41. | :36:54. | |
consent tricks coming in to talk about the issues they need to | :36:55. | :36:59. | |
address. Yesterday, in Parliament, as you were mentioning, many MPs | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
talked about the problems that their constituents had had. They also said | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
that this programme had highlighted what a big issue it was and how the | :37:07. | :37:10. | |
mistakes were affecting hundreds of people up and down the country. Why | :37:11. | :37:17. | |
does it take the BBC's programme two days running to bring ministers to | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
this despatch box? On Monday, a member of my staff got the run | :37:22. | :37:28. | |
around between HMRC and Centrix on the basis that nobody would take | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
responsibility. My constituents have spent hours on this. I think they | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
need to involve the private sector in a sensitive issue like this, that | :37:38. | :37:44. | |
does not work. What are HMRC and Concentrix now saying? For the third | :37:45. | :37:48. | |
day, they haven't come on the show. We asked for an interview but they | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
said: We recognise individual Tax Credit claims can be difficult for | :37:54. | :37:56. | |
all concerned, we adopt a rigorous process at every stage to make sure | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
we manage this responsibly and in full accordance with guidance set by | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
HMRC. We asked HMRC for a third day in a row, they said: We want to | :38:08. | :38:13. | |
assure customers that we'll prioritise cases and make sure | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
they're processed as quickly as possible. We have decided nolet to | :38:18. | :38:24. | |
extend our contract with Concentrix and HMRS is redeploying 150 staff to | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
help with claims. Since we have come on air, sources close to this have | :38:30. | :38:37. | |
told me that just before we did our report, HMRC and Concentrix were | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
close to agreeing a new deal. Really? | :38:41. | :38:48. | |
Yes, and what's more, sources have told me that Concentrix was only | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
told an hour before HMRC told the press that their contract wasn't | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
being renewed. That is why some staff in Belfast heard that | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
potentially their jobs could be at risk because their contracts was not | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
going to be renewed. Renewed through tweets from the BBC rather than | :39:06. | :39:07. | |
through the company themselves. We'll be speaking to a Labour MP | :39:08. | :39:15. | |
who says he'll sue Jeremy Corbyn after claims and counter-claims | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
of bullying continue Chances are if you're from anywhere | :39:21. | :39:21. | |
on Merseyside then it's a name Some believe he's a figure made up | :39:22. | :39:30. | |
to scare children. Others, however, have | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
crossed his path. Akinwale Arobieki, or Purple Aki, | :39:35. | :39:36. | |
is a man with an obsession A mysterious figure, | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
notorious across Merseyside, Arobieke has a string of offences | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
to his name relating to his desire to feel the biceps of toned men | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
across the North West. Ben Zand has been finding out | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
more about him. A name that is whispered in the | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
parks and playgrounds of Merseyside. Watch out or Purple | :40:02. | :40:11. | |
Aki will get you. A bogeyman that nobody | :40:12. | :40:27. | |
was really sure even existed. When I was at school | :40:28. | :40:30. | |
we would all joke about him. You'd make threats saying | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
he was going to come and get you and we'd laugh but we'd be | :40:35. | :40:41. | |
a little bit scared. Even on a wet Monday | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
night in July everyone Even on a wet Monday | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
night in July everyone It's kind of like a ghost | :40:51. | :41:14. | |
story almost that goes round the playground | :41:15. | :41:24. | |
to scare people. He's a legend but | :41:25. | :41:26. | |
when you see him... I seen him once | :41:27. | :41:28. | |
in Birkenhead market. I've seen him in Lime Street, | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
my dad works in Lime I actually saw him the other day | :41:34. | :41:36. | |
coming down the escalator I was walking across | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
the road and this big black And he said, I do, | :41:41. | :41:53. | |
what gym do you train at? I told him and he said I train | :41:54. | :42:03. | |
there, that's where I know you from. Let me just show you these murderers | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
on trial at the law courts. I was like, I don't want to see any | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
murderers, straightaway he turned to me and said, are you being | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
racist, you don't want to come I was shocked, was like, me dad's | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
from Egypt, I'm not a racist. We went in the law courts and this | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
is where he gets weird. Went into a little tiny room | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
so he said, take your top off. I said, I don't want | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
to take my top off. He said why, what's wrong with that, | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
you do body building, I'm into body-building, | :42:33. | :42:35. | |
I want to see your muscles. He was stood in front of the door, | :42:36. | :42:37. | |
I had nowhere to go. In the end, took me top off, | :42:38. | :42:40. | |
he had me doing all these He's like, I want to see how strong | :42:41. | :42:43. | |
you are, get me in a fireman's Sweating loads and I remember | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
thinking, are you sweating? After I put him down, | :42:49. | :43:06. | |
he wasn't in front of the doors, so I opened the door and legged it | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
back to the train station, 2-3 weeks after this | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
happened I was on the bike, Next thing he jumps out, | :43:13. | :43:22. | |
grabs me, he's like, I brought my tape measure | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
to measure your muscles. Tried to put it round me | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
leg and that's when I In court he said his | :43:32. | :43:33. | |
nickname is racist. He's been questioned by the police | :43:34. | :43:52. | |
about muscle touching You have to go back to the 80s | :43:53. | :43:55. | |
to understand how come Gary was a big lad, six foot, | :43:56. | :44:05. | |
and he was absolutely adored football, constantly playing | :44:06. | :44:30. | |
football, quite well And I think that's what Purple Aki | :44:31. | :44:33. | |
liked, was his legs. To be honest, I didn't | :44:34. | :44:39. | |
know nothing about him, never heard about him | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
until he started harassing Gary. You are at the bus stop | :44:45. | :44:47. | |
and there is no one there. And the next minute he is there | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
in the bsu stop, right next to you and you are like where did | :44:54. | :44:56. | |
he come from because you didn't see him coming, | :44:57. | :44:59. | |
it was like he just appeared. Gary was absolutely | :45:00. | :45:05. | |
terrified of him. Yeah, really scared, | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
really, really scared. He'd be standing in the entry | :45:11. | :45:12. | |
at the side of his house, so you wouldn't know | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
that he was there and as Gary would leave my house and walk over, | :45:19. | :45:21. | |
he'd step out the entry and Gary would go down the entry with him, | :45:22. | :45:27. | |
and that's when he used to make Gary said he would | :45:28. | :45:30. | |
get excited by that. That's why Gary went to the police | :45:31. | :45:33. | |
in the end and got a harassment order, and the order was Purple Aki | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
was not supposed to come over to Birkenhead, wasn't | :45:38. | :45:40. | |
allowed over the Mersey. He was supposed to stay | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
on the Liverpool side and he didn't. We got up on the Sunday morning, | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
was a really lovely day. Gary had made plans to go | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
with all his friends. And then the next minute | :45:55. | :46:01. | |
I heard his mum screaming. Something to do with Purple Aki | :46:02. | :46:12. | |
following him or chasing him. When he came out of the swimming | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
baths, Purple Aki was at the entrance, Gary spotted | :46:19. | :46:26. | |
him, he spotted Gary. Gary panicked because obviously he's | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
been and snitched on him and got the police involved so Gary must | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
have panicked and ran to get out And I think he tried to mingle | :46:35. | :46:37. | |
in the crowd. Purple Aki followed him to the train | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
station and he's just gone into panic mode and thought, | :46:43. | :46:53. | |
"I've got to get away," and his only escape | :46:54. | :46:56. | |
would have been to cross the lines He got caught on the lines | :46:57. | :46:58. | |
and got electrocuted. But it was overturned | :46:59. | :47:06. | |
because there was no evidence he'd actually threatened | :47:07. | :47:16. | |
or even touched Gary. Aki's defence was he was the victim | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
of racism, he was just It's almost as if fear had killed | :47:22. | :47:24. | |
Gary Kelly. Everywhere you went there | :47:25. | :47:35. | |
was like writing all over train stations and walls, "RIP Gary Kelly, | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
always remembered Gary Kelly," and obviously I think, | :47:43. | :47:44. | |
loads of slanderous Growing up, I heard so many people | :47:45. | :47:46. | |
pretend they'd seen him, Do you think they pretend that | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
they've seen him or they I didn't even know | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
he existed at first. I can't believe you didn't | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
think he existed. I wondered if Aki was a bit | :48:01. | :48:02. | |
of a victim in all of this. A big, black man in a white city | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
with an odd obsession with muscles. She has moved to the other end | :48:08. | :48:12. | |
of the country, and even now When I was about 13, | :48:13. | :48:28. | |
14, going to the local park, you had to pass the forest, | :48:29. | :48:35. | |
and they always said, Growing up it was a myth, I didn't | :48:36. | :48:37. | |
believe it - I used to think We were outside the shop | :48:38. | :48:46. | |
and drinking cider. It was like Mad Dog 2020, | :48:47. | :48:59. | |
something like that, and we were hanging | :49:00. | :49:01. | |
about and he turned up Everybody was like, "Oh, | :49:02. | :49:03. | |
my God, it's Purple Aki." He's just purple and huge, | :49:04. | :49:13. | |
no-one else like him. One day I was going home | :49:14. | :49:22. | |
and Aki was trying to touch my brother, | :49:23. | :49:24. | |
feel my brother's arms so I said to him, "I'm going to phone | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
the police if you don't leave my brother alone, get away, | :49:29. | :49:37. | |
get away from the boys, move." When I got home about half | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
an hour later, bang, bang on the door and I looked out | :49:44. | :49:45. | |
the window and he was like, "Come down here," and I was like, | :49:46. | :49:52. | |
"I'm not coming down." Put it through my letterbox | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
and said, "You're BLEEP dead, you're dead, you're dead," those | :49:56. | :50:04. | |
were his exact words. There was like six or seven police | :50:05. | :50:06. | |
cars there within a minute and, yeah, he got charged with threats | :50:07. | :50:20. | |
to kill against me. Aki was sentenced to two and a half | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
years, but there was no When he got out, an extraordinary | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
sexual offences order was made banning him from touching, | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
feeling or measuring muscles. Loitering near schools, | :50:31. | :50:32. | |
gyms or sports clubs, going into Widnes, | :50:33. | :50:34. | |
Warrington or St Helens. What's it like being someone | :50:35. | :50:40. | |
who sent down Purple Aki? To be honest, when I'd done it | :50:41. | :50:55. | |
I was like, "Why the hell have I just done this, | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
it is going to make my life hell," and I ended up moving down here, | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
it changed my life completely. Just to be on the safe side, | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
and that's 16 years later, you know? I tracked him down to an address | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
in Liverpool and got a number So I got a letter | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
back from Aki saying, "Could you please stop | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
calling round to my home? You have my solicitor's | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
name and number." It's odd to have heard back | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
from a man who at the start I wasn't even really sure existed, and now | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
I have something physical and real. This is a man who is known | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
for harassing people and he sent us a letter saying to basically | :51:39. | :51:41. | |
stop harassing him. A few months ago, Aki | :51:42. | :51:43. | |
got the sexual offences The judge agreed muscle-touching | :51:44. | :51:56. | |
wasn't a sex crime. He may no longer inspire fear, | :51:57. | :52:03. | |
but he still haunts people. I didn't tell anyone I was pregnant | :52:04. | :52:14. | |
until after Gary's funeral, The timing didn't seem | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
right to tell people This is Jamielee. | :52:20. | :52:26. | |
This is my daughter. For a lot of people it's a joke, | :52:27. | :52:41. | |
he is a bogeyman, my boyfriend says people walk through town | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
and if they see him they will take A lot of people aren't aware | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
of what happened to my dad. It's a sickening dip in my stomach | :52:50. | :52:53. | |
because that actually happens Do you think people | :52:54. | :52:56. | |
know who he really is? Even from someone whose | :52:57. | :52:59. | |
life he has affected, Wow. | :53:00. | :53:28. | |
The Labour Party is caught up in a new row after Jeremy Corbyn's team | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
issued a document naming MPs it claims have abused him and his | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
allies since he became leader of the Labour Party. Mr Corbyn has defended | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
the list, saying statement anybody made were made on the record, | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
although his team had said the document was a draft which was sent | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
out accidentally. Neil Coyle is the MP for Bermondsey and is among those | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
criticised. Let's speak to him now. What do you think? From what you | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
have just been saying, once again we see chaos and incompetence in the | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
heart of the leaders of this. Jeremy clearly knew about this list, he and | :54:05. | :54:08. | |
John McDonnell must have authorised it, and it is designed again to | :54:09. | :54:15. | |
encourage abuse and attempt at intimidation of MPs. We are so close | :54:16. | :54:18. | |
to the end of this leadership contest, people have the chance to | :54:19. | :54:30. | |
end this permissive culture of abuse that Jeremy has helped create if | :54:31. | :54:33. | |
they choose over in, and we can move on from this. I don't know what I am | :54:34. | :54:36. | |
alleged to have done and yet my name has been thrown out and I have | :54:37. | :54:39. | |
received a torrent of abuse overnight as a result. Have you said | :54:40. | :54:41. | |
Audrey did something credible since last September? I nominated Jeremy | :54:42. | :54:44. | |
last year, we have not had a debate, there has been no policy development | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
led by Jeremy as leader of the party. My criticism has been around, | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
what is it boaters need to see is focused on? What should Labour money | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
be focused on? I have been campaigning to save a post office in | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
my constituency this morning, voters need to see others on issues they | :55:01. | :55:02. | |
care about every day. I read an article | :55:03. | :55:21. | |
after the local elections in May with Jo Cox talking about what we | :55:22. | :55:24. | |
wanted to see from the Labour Party and how to improve our electoral | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
prospects. I suspect that might be it. I genuinely don't know what the | :55:28. | :55:29. | |
accusation is, but I have never engaged in personal abuse. Before I | :55:30. | :55:32. | |
was elected last year I worked for charities that tackled abuse of | :55:33. | :55:34. | |
disabled people and I helped tackle gender discrimination in the | :55:35. | :55:36. | |
workplace so I think my track record speaks for itself. What do you want | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
now? I have let the Chief Whip, the party general secretary know I am | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
upset, I let the leader know I am upset and wanted to know what I have | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
been accused of. I asked if I could receive a written apology from the | :55:49. | :55:55. | |
leader, this petty student politics, at least if it is retracted it will | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
help, but I will be talking to a lawyer tomorrow, because this is | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
defamation. I have been accused of abuse, that is completely | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
unacceptable and so unprofessional. So you are considering suing your | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
leader? Yes, and it would be the leader, not the party, because this | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
has been issued by someone in his campaign team, so it is not the | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
Labour Party. Suing him for defamation? Wow. It is the sorry | :56:21. | :56:27. | |
state Jeremy has taken the party into, 30 to 35% of members have not | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
voted yet because they are so disillusioned with what Jeremy has | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
done to the party. They have the chance before polling closes to make | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
sure we end this permissive culture, and in some ways, I have not | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
experienced the worst abuse that MPs get, women MPs get far more abuse | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
and Jeremy has failed to tackle it. We saw it after the launch of the | :56:51. | :56:57. | |
anti-Semitism report. I have spoken to Mr Corbyn myself, and I, if I had | :56:58. | :57:04. | |
more than two hands, I can count how many times Mr Corbyn has said, I do | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
not engage in abuse, I do not condone abuse, this must stop. When | :57:09. | :57:14. | |
he had the chance to speak in defence of a Jewish female MP who | :57:15. | :57:19. | |
was being abused, he failed to do it, and it is that lack of | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
leadership, that lack of control of the kind of support he has and the | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
people he has incited to commit abuse that is part of the problem. | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
How has he incited people to commit abuse? In failing to support her at | :57:34. | :57:38. | |
that event, he encouraged it, in failing to ensure the momentum is | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
controlled better and did not have this abuse and intimidation, look at | :57:42. | :57:46. | |
this letter, this list, it is designed solely to cause more | :57:47. | :57:52. | |
trolling and abuse and intimidation of the MPs listed. Go on the Twitter | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
feeds of any of the MPs on the list and you will see the kind of abuse | :57:58. | :58:00. | |
we have had to put up with as a direct result of being accused of | :58:01. | :58:05. | |
abuse without any evidence of a substance, without any | :58:06. | :58:07. | |
correspondence from the leader's office to me or my team. Without | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
using words that could not be used on morning television, what sort of | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
abuse have you had? I'm afraid I cannot repeat much of what I have | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
received! Give us the sentiment behind the rude words? Probably the | :58:22. | :58:26. | |
most polite is around being a traitor, but some of it is | :58:27. | :58:31. | |
anti-mainstream media, saying I should not be talking to the BBC or | :58:32. | :58:37. | |
sky about this. It is petty, nasty, most of it is a swear word and | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
things so I will not repeated. Last time I saw myself on Twitter I was | :58:43. | :58:45. | |
told off by my local members and I will not make that mistake again. | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
Thank you for talking to us, Neil Coyle, Labour MP, considering suing | :58:51. | :58:53. | |
the Labour leader. Your views are welcome, get touch. | :58:54. | :58:56. | |
Coming up: New rules for courts in England and Wales could spare | :58:57. | :58:59. | |
vulnerable witnesses from giving evidence live. | :59:00. | :59:01. | |
Let's get the latest weather update with Carole. | :59:02. | :59:10. | |
For some of us it has been a beautiful morning, for others it has | :59:11. | :59:17. | |
been pretty foggy, as you can see from our weather Watchers picture, | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
taken in Birmingham earlier. We have had quite a bit of fog and low cloud | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
shrouding the east of the country into the Midlands, it is starting to | :59:27. | :59:30. | |
melt away but it will be a slow process and on the east coast it | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
will not appear at all. But there will be a lot of sunshine, showers | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
in Northern Ireland and western Scotland, through the afternoon as | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
temperatures rise we could see torrential downpours across central | :59:42. | :59:45. | |
southern England. Temperatures up to 30, 31 in the south-east, the warmth | :59:46. | :59:50. | |
spreading northwards across much of the UK today. Through the evening | :59:51. | :59:52. | |
and overnight, we still have the showers, a weather front | :59:53. | :00:16. | |
coming from the West pushes steadily eastwards, engages with the showers | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
which reinvigorate them further so there is more energy in them. Again, | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
torrential downpours, the risk of flash flooding. For most of us it | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
will still be fairly muddy. Tomorrow morning, thundery downpours continue | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
to edge eastwards, the risk of flash flooding from those. Behind it, | :00:27. | :00:28. | |
whether coming from the Atlantic, fresher conditions, sunshine and | :00:29. | :00:30. | |
showers, the rain slowed to clear in the far south-east, but what a | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
change in temperatures, from 30 in London today to 20 tomorrow. | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
Theresa May gives the go-ahead for Britain's first new nuclear | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
Hinkley Point C in Somerset will become the biggest | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
building site in Europe - but critics are warning | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
Using your mobile when you're driving - it's against the law | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
but one in three of us admits doing it, according to new research. | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
Campaigners say the punishment if you're caught isn't tough enough. | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
We'll speak to a mum whose 13 year old daughter was killed by a lorry | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
Alleged rape victims and other vulnerable witnesses will soon | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
be spared the ordeal of appearing in court. | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
Instead, they'll be allowed to record their evidence. | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
Good Morning, here's Annita McVeigh in the BBC Newsroom | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
The government has confirmed that it's approving the controversial | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
Hinkley Point nuclear power station in Somerset. | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
Ministers have approved the deal for a new ?18 billion nuclear | :01:29. | :01:30. | |
power station in the UK but with new conditions attached. | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
The plant is being financed by the French and the Chinese | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
and the Prime Minister had postponed its approval | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
Greg Clark told the BBC about this. There are very, very important | :01:38. | :01:54. | |
relationships here. It's important that when we are considering, as we | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
are, a major upgrade of our infrastructure, especially in | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
energy, that we have in place a regime that, for all investors, for | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
all countries, allows the Government the kind of powers and scrutiny that | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
other countries have. Meanwhile, Simon Jack said it would be crucial | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
to see how the Chinese react to the new conditions. | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
What they want is one of their reactors here with British approval | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
which they can go and then sell around the world. I think it's going | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
to be very interesting to see the Chinese' reaction to this. They say | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
it's about foreign Government concerns, it's aimed directly at | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
China. They don't want to say, we don't trust you, but their reaction | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
I think to this is key, if they think that they are being told, you | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
haven't got a guarantee about Bradwell, they could still | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
reconsider, so we have to be a bit careful about saying it will | :02:49. | :02:49. | |
definitely get built. Leading health experts have warned | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
that the social care system is failing to meet the needs | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
of the elderly - as financial pressures force councils to restrict | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
the number of people they can help.In a new report, the Kings Fund | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
and the Nuffield Trust say that the local authority support | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
older people received, was based on where they lived, | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
rather than their need. The BBC will have to reveal | :03:08. | :03:10. | |
the salary details of all employees and presenters paid more | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
than ?150,000 a year, The proposal is part of the draft | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
for a new BBC charter which will be The BBC had argued against | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
the change, saying it would make it The World Anti-Doping Agency has | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
confirmed that the confidential medical records of five British | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
athletes including Chris Froome and Bradley Wiggins have been leaked | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
by Russian computer hackers. WADA said those behind the attack | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
were "criminals" trying to smear the athletes' reputations in revenge | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
for the exposure of Russian There's no suggestion of wrong doing | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
by the British athletes. Chris Froome's just issued | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
a statement; he says he's already discussed his asthma medication | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
with the media and the leaks simply British tourists have been caught up | :03:55. | :04:08. | |
in an explosion off the Indonesian island of Bali. A German woman was | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
killed and 20 people injured when the boat blew up near a port at the | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
east of the island. Reports suggest a faulty battery may be to blame. | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
The Foreign Office is helping UK holiday-makers. | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
is set to return to the campaign trail today days after being | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
The Democrats' candidate for the US presidency, Hillary Clinton, | :04:28. | :04:29. | |
is set to return to the campaign trail today days after being | :04:30. | :04:32. | |
diagnosed with pneumonia.Last night, her doctor said the politician | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
was recovering well and was "fit to serve as President | :04:36. | :04:37. | |
At the weekend Mrs Clinton appeared to stumble while leaving an event. | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
Her Republican rival Donald Trump has told a TV show he is healthy | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
despite his age and being clinically overweight. | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
I'm just about the same age as Ronald Reagan and Hillary is a year | :04:51. | :04:58. | |
behind me. I would say based on my life, I actually, I don't know if | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
this makes sense, I feel as good today as I did when I was 30. | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
South east China's been hit by what's said to be the country's | :05:08. | :05:10. | |
strongest typhoon in 70 years and it's sent a giant | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
inflatable moon careering through the city of Fuzhou. | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
Strong winds from Typhoon Meranti took the massive globe | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
off its moorings and it bowled over everything in its path. | :05:21. | :05:29. | |
It was installed for a festival which prominently features the moon. | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
Perhaps a bit too prominently this year! | :05:36. | :05:37. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10.30. | :05:38. | :05:51. | |
A couple of comments about Neil Coyle beings on the list of those | :05:52. | :06:09. | |
accusing MPs of -- Jeremy Corbyn is no bully, you, however, Sir, Neil | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
Coyle are full of bull, one viewer says. London Fashion Week starts | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
tomorrow. Theresa May holding a reception tomorrow. A tweet saying, | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
I've been in the sector, still trying it hard to get a proper foot | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
in the fashion door. The fashion industry can charge thousands for a | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
shoe and still employs a non-paid worker. Thank you for those. Still | :06:33. | :06:41. | |
to come, the salaries of BBC employees paid more than ?150,000 to | :06:42. | :06:47. | |
be published. We'll talk about that later, and people using their | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
mobiles while driving. Paralympics GB are enjoying | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
their best ever performance at a Parlaympics, surpassing | :06:54. | :07:02. | |
the number of medals Yesterday there were gold medals | :07:03. | :07:04. | |
for Dame Sarah Storey, Hannah Cockroft and Kadeena Cox | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
as Para GB won 9 titles. My colleague Nick Hope has | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
been finding out. It's a brilliant Paralympics so far, | :07:13. | :07:27. | |
four Paralympics for GB. I'm joined by UK Sports director of performance | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
Simon Timpson. What do you put it down to? It's a athletes' | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
dedication, commitment and hard work that's enabled this wonderful | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
performance in Rio. Everybody was disappointed 4-4 years ago in | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
London. -- four years ago in London. We have Riz tonne the challenge of | :07:49. | :07:55. | |
increasing standards. It's been the most competitive Olympics ever, yet | :07:56. | :08:03. | |
Paralympics GB have had a fantastic time winning lots of medals. -- | :08:04. | :08:08. | |
risen to the challenge. We have had bespoke packages, we | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
have had an economy going with the English Institute of Sport that's | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
provided more streamlined swim caps for the swimmers, we have worked on | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
Richard Whitehead's prosthetics helping him win gold, so lots of | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
things that make a big difference here inry wrote. At the start of the | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
Games, everyone was concerned with the worries about funding cuts, but | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
it doesn't seem to have materialised like that and the Paralympics have | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
excel?ed The Brazilians have done really well. We have had an electric | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
atmosphere and we have seen golds in almost every Rennes Jew we visitd | :08:48. | :08:55. | |
for Paralympics GB as well. -- almost every venue we visited for | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
Paralympics GB as well. You can catch the action on the BBC Sport | :09:01. | :09:03. | |
website and BBC Radio Five Live. Chris Froome says he has no issues | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
with the latest leak of confidential medical information, | :09:08. | :09:10. | |
which he says only confirms His statement comes after Russian | :09:11. | :09:12. | |
hackers revealed more medical records of athletes, | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
also including Sir Bradley Wiggins, gained from the World Anti Doping | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
Agency The hacked information mostly gained from the World | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
Anti Doping Agency. details "Therapeutic Use Exemptions" | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
allowing banned substances to be taken for athletes' | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
verified medical needs. Froome says he's openly | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
discussed his use of TUEs, saying in 9 years as a professional | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
he's required them twice, There is no suggestion that any | :09:35. | :09:40. | |
of the athletes are involved Leicester celebrated | :09:41. | :09:47. | |
an historic first win in the Champions League, | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
against Belgium side Brugge. It didn't take them long | :09:52. | :09:53. | |
to get the ball rolling, Mark Albrighton scored their first | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
shot, after 5 minutes. Riyad Mahrez curled | :09:57. | :09:58. | |
in a beauty before the break. And then added another | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
from the penalty spot Manchester City beat | :10:03. | :10:06. | |
Borussia Munchengladback So - after pressing the pause button | :10:07. | :10:13. | |
on Hinkley Point soon after taking office - | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
Theresa May has now decided to go ahead with the project to build | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
Britain's first new nuclear power But ministers say they have won | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
a new agreement with EDF - the French company building | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
the plant and have extracted what they are calling | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
"significant new safeguards". And the latest word from China - | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
which is helping to finance the deal - is that it is willing to accept | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
the government's new conditions. Well, let's get more on this from | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
our Political Guru Norman Smith. After the pause, she's now going | :10:44. | :10:56. | |
ahead with it, why? The stakes are too high. If Theresa May would have | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
said no, it would have been a body blow to relations with the Chinese | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
who're investing millions in Britain. There was also the concern, | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
particularly pro-Brexit that if Mrs Neigh pulled the blueing, what | :11:11. | :11:13. | |
message would that send out about the willingness to be open to | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
business -- Mrs May. Question marks about the economic implications, | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
huge project like this big boost not just for the economy but the economy | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
nationally, did we really want to wave goodbye to 25,000 jobs, what | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
would it have meant for other big infrastructure projects. We have | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
projects on HSII, Heathrow, and lastly, there is the energy | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
question, we have got to to something because we are running out | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
of juice, and the fact is, we have closed the coal mines, and we are | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
running out of North Sea oil. Government not so sure that with | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
wind and wave you can really do the deal. | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
Middle East or Russia for our energy supplies - faced with all that, I | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
think Theresa May took one long, hard look and decided, no option but | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
to give the go-ahead to Hinkley. What are the new conditions then? | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
Here is the rub. Number Ten are beefing if up as Theresa May really | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
getting to grips with the issue. She was surprised that David Cameron | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
hadn't got in place a security regime so that we could cast an eye | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
over who was looking to build nuclear power stations. In other | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
words, a sort of thank God Theresa May's got a grip of this issue. The | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
question is, is it all window dressing? All this security talk, is | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
it a load of fluff that doesn't amount to much. What it seems to be | :12:38. | :12:46. | |
is that the Government can in future say to countries that build nuclear | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
power stations in this country that if they sell part of the power | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
station to someone we don't like, we can say, no, that deal can't go | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
ahead. But is that really a whole raft of new security arrangements? | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
That's where a lot of the politics of this is going to be. Theresa May | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
marched this up to the top of the hill over the security issue and the | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
question now will be, has she actually got a new tough package or | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
is it really the same old deal negotiated by David Cameron? Thank | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
you very much. The Hinkley Point project is being | :13:20. | :13:21. | |
financed by France and China. Let's speak to our BBC China | :13:22. | :13:23. | |
expert Micky Bristow. Are China going to accept this? Yes, | :13:24. | :13:33. | |
as we indicated when we introduced this report, there's already been a | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
reaction from China. The UK company in China's helping build this | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
nuclear power station in Britain and it welcomes the decision, a very | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
swift response. It's been reported on China's official media already as | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
well, I just had a look before I came down to the studio. I wouldn't | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
be surprised if before too long the Chinese Foreign Ministry is | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
welcoming this decision as well. So they are quite pleased because once, | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
when the Prime Minister suggested that she was going to look again at | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
this project, China was angry about it and started to put pressure on. | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
The ambassador to Britain spoke out about how this could affect this | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
Golden relationship that David Cameron and George Osborne worked so | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
hard to establish with China and they were suggesting, if you don't | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
go ahead with this, what about all the other projects that might come | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
online. So they'll be happy about this decision. What is in it for | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
China? Well, China's on a major nuclear power station building | :14:36. | :14:38. | |
scheme, building mostly of course in its own country, but this is an | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
attempt at a chance to showcase what they can do on the international | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
scene. Also China, the economy there is slowing down slightly, so the | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
Government there wants to push its companies out into the wider world | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
to invest across the world to do business more with the rest of the | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
world. For the British Prime Minister to stop this project before | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
it actually got under way would. A good advertisement for Chinese | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
business so that's essentially what they are getting out of it. | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
Let's speak to Chris Huhne, the former Lib Dem Energy Secretary. | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
He was in that role between 2010 and 2012. Good morning, what do you make | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
of the deal now that it's going ahead? | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
This Is A Necessary Deal, Not By Any Means The Best We Could Have Struck, | :15:32. | :15:43. | |
But Necessary Because We Need secure long-term low carbon electricity to | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
make sure the lights stay on in the dark evenings in January and | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
February when we don't have any sunshine and there may not be wind. | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
It is not the greatest deal because our negotiators had to negotiate | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
with one hand tied behind their back. George Osborne in particular | :15:58. | :16:05. | |
was so keen, publicly so keen on nuclear that every time he made a | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
positive statement to the EDF price went up, so the reality is if you | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
want to do a good commercial deal your counterpart has to know that | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
you are able and prepared to walk away from the table, and if you are | :16:17. | :16:22. | |
not you will overpay. So it is not the best deal but it is a necessary | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
one to keep the lights on and ensure we have stable, secure low carbon | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
electricity for the future. The thing most people will be interested | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
in this morning is how it will affect our bills, and it will mean | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
that bills will be higher? We don't know whether it will mean that bills | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
will be higher because obviously the Government doesn't pay anything | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
until the plant is actually built. All the risk is taken by EDF, by the | :16:48. | :16:57. | |
French mega electricity company, they take the construction risk | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
along with their Chinese coinvestors and the British consumer does not | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
pay a penny until the plant is up and running, and nobody really knows | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
what prices are going to be then but we do know that we are going to have | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
to have low carbon electricity, and if you were going to run cold plants | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
or gas plants, this looks like a good deal. There ought to be a tax | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
on the polluting sources of electricity. If that was at the | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
right level to reflect the damage which we know they are causing, then | :17:32. | :17:35. | |
this would be a good deal for the consumer, and I think that is the | :17:36. | :17:38. | |
key thing we have to bear in mind for the future, this is secure low | :17:39. | :17:43. | |
carbon electricity for many generations to come. Thank you for | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
your time, Chris Huhne, former energy secretary. | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
It's estimated that doctors in this country see six cases of female | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
genital mutilation every week and yet, in the 30 years that FGM has | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
been a crime, it has never been successfully prosecuted. | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
In a report published today, MPs on the Home Affairs Select Committee | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
say that is a 'national scandal' and 'beyond belief'. | :18:08. | :18:16. | |
It's also calling on frontline professionals to face stronger | :18:17. | :18:18. | |
sanctions if they fail to report cases of FGM to the police. | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
The practice involves cutting off the female genitalia, | :18:22. | :18:23. | |
either partially or totally, and is sometimes also | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
We can talk to the Labour MP Naz Shah, who is from | :18:26. | :18:33. | |
the Home Affairs Select Committee, and helped with this report. | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
Also here to talk about this is Lisa Zimmerman, a secondary | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
school teacher and founder of the charity Integrate Bristol | :18:42. | :18:43. | |
Bethel Tadesse isthe first person in her family not to have faced FGM | :18:44. | :18:50. | |
Also with us, Commander Mak Chisty, the lead police office for FGM. | :18:51. | :18:59. | |
Why haven't we seen a single successful prosecution yet? Because | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
the way the law is set up, it is not set up to be... We have had one test | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
case in the last 30 years. The report is damning in terms of not | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
having any convictions. We have got 5000 people, we have not been | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
recording the crimes centrally, there is not enough effort going | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
into this, the Government has failed on this not just from a legal | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
perspective but in terms of reaching out to communities and changing the | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
perception of FGM, making sure people understand it is wrong, it is | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
child abuse, it is illegal, mutilation is not acceptable. There | :19:40. | :19:42. | |
are lots of reasons we have not had these convictions. Do you know how | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
many unsuccessful prosecutions there are? I know of one bored by the CPS, | :19:48. | :19:54. | |
that was a Dr Who had dealt with a lady who had given birth, so it was | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
not a classic case of FGM in terms of a child being taken abroad and | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
the parent or family being held to account, which is what we should be | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
doing, holding communities and parents to account for this barbaric | :20:07. | :20:15. | |
act, but that is not happening and that one prosecution was an absolute | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
shambles at the time. From a police officer's point of view, why not won | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
a successful prosecution? Success is not just about prosecution or | :20:27. | :20:29. | |
conviction, a lot is about intervention and safeguarding so I | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
don't want to miss that. There are some harriers to taking these type | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
of instances, there is the reluctance for people to come | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
forward, the closeness of a family unit, it is difficult to break out | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
of that cultural sense. And also parents sometimes take their | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
daughters abroad to places like Somalia or Ethiopia for this to | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
happen, would you be able to prosecute if it happened in another | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
country? The law does allow others to do that and we have done an | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
operation across 11 airports across the UK this summer where we have | :21:04. | :21:16. | |
engaged with 5000 people, referred 33 people to safeguarding | :21:17. | :21:18. | |
arrangements and arrested two people, taken one child into care, | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
so we are doing this to make sure we are hitting the right areas. I want | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
to ask you, Bethel, if I may, about your family and your experience. | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
Could you explain to our audience why you are the first person in your | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
family not to undergo FGM? My mother decided not to perform FGM on me | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
because she was educated and taught that it was the wrong thing to do, | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
that is where it stopped in my family, I was the first person to | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
not have FGM and my sister didn't either. Your mum did? Yes, she has. | :21:47. | :21:55. | |
Was that done by her mum? By a family member, yes. I feel education | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
is the only way to emphasise the fact that it is the only way to end | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
FGM happening. Your experience from Integrate Bristol, who are you | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
talking to? I don't do much of the talking myself because we have | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
around 100 young people, the older ones are very well trained and go | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
into schools, they do peer education and training teachers and police, so | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
most of the work is done by the young people. I started off | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
delivering with them and now they are much better than me, Bethel is | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
one of them. Naz Shah, you acknowledge it is complicated, | :22:37. | :22:38. | |
somebody is potentially not going to want to go to police to report their | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
mother, father or another family member, are they? Absolutely, it has | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
similarities to forced marriage, which is why the report has | :22:49. | :22:54. | |
recommended that we need a centralised unit where health and | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
education and the Government come together, so we are working across | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
the board, across authorities, raising awareness and supporting | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
young people and families, making sure we are working to eradicate | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
this practice, absolutely. Can I ask you about one of the recommendations | :23:12. | :23:16. | |
the report makes, tougher sanctions for front-line professionals who | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
don't report cases. What sort of professionals are you talking about | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
and what kind of sanctions? Give us an example of the scenario a | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
professional might find themselves in where they have a duty to report | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
FGM to the police? Let's look at FGM is child abuse. We need to accept | :23:33. | :23:38. | |
that FGM is child abuse and at the moment we have safeguarding measures | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
for any front-line staff under child protection that you have to report | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
that. What we are finding is that when it comes to FGM we are not | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
convinced that we were using that same safeguarding threshold, that | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
same yardstick, when it comes to child abuse. People do not | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
understand FGM is child abuse and we have to have that shift in culture | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
and people need to accept that this is what FGM is, it is about raising | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
awareness and having the confidence to say, this is what I understand it | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
to be, this is child abuse, it needs to be reported as it is, which is a | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
safeguarding issue under child protection and that is when we will | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
see a shift in patterns and prosecutions, when we go down that | :24:22. | :24:32. | |
route. If an individual front-line professional, and nurse, GP, | :24:33. | :24:34. | |
teacher, whoever it may be, understand it is child abuse and | :24:35. | :24:36. | |
does not reported, what should happen to them? Exactly what happens | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
when we have a usual case of child abuse, if you are not doing your | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
duty then you do not have a right to be in that job because safeguarding | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
children is absolutely paramount, it is incumbent upon us as | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
professionals regardless of our profession, if we see any child | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
abuse we reported and FGM is no different. It has to happen, if not, | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
you are not fit to practice your profession. If you are knowingly not | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
reporting it, absolutely. So somebody should lose their job, what | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
do you think about that? The system relies upon everyone working | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
together... What do you think about front-line professionals who | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
understand this is child abuse, and perhaps not everybody does | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
understand that yet, and don't go on to reported? It is a neglect of duty | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
and they should be held to account, and if it means losing their job | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
then so be it in line with their disciplinary code. Do agree? Yes, | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
but when it comes to professionals who don't know what is going on, | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
education is the most important thing, so they will know exactly | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
what to do. But if they are neglecting their duties then, like | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
Mak said, if it will take losing their job, it is child abuse. There | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
are some people who understand a bit thick, I can't get involved in this, | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
it may be FGM but for cultural reasons this girl may have undergone | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
this and I don't see it as child abuse. In a school, teachers? | :26:01. | :26:10. | |
Professionals. It is unlikely. A lot of teachers will not have had | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
adequate training and that responsibility is first for the | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
Government to make it statutory so that all children, not just girls | :26:19. | :26:22. | |
but boys as well, are given a safe space to discuss this and other | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
difficult issues. It is about breaking down barriers but I would | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
rather see the emphasis on protection, on ending the practice, | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
than on prosecution. In Bristol we have an amazing, everybody works | :26:36. | :26:43. | |
together, so we have health, the police, education, lots of | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
organisations working together, we share information, there are lots of | :26:48. | :26:53. | |
schools in Bristol that have had FGM education embedded across the | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
schools and that can be replicated but it would be faster and more | :26:57. | :26:59. | |
efficient if the Government passed legislation on it, and we are | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
hopeful now that Justine is the Secretary of State for Education | :27:06. | :27:08. | |
that it might happen. Just Dean Greening. Have you spoken about this | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
in schools? Yes, with Integrate Bristol. What response do you get | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
from pupils? Shock is the main thing when they find out what it is. After | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
that, interested in how to prevent it and how to know when to report | :27:24. | :27:30. | |
and things like that. I think young people and children have less | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
difficulty with the issue than a lot of adults, particularly adults like | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
us. They don't have a problem with these difficult issues, I haven't | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
ever come across somebody making an inappropriate comment or being | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
unkind. I have been in situations where we get disclosures in front of | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
other children and they have always been considerate about it. It is | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
important to make sure all staff, teachers, front-line professionals | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
know what to do with a disclosure. What do you do if a child says, this | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
is about to happen to me or has happened to me? You followed the | :28:05. | :28:14. | |
safeguarding procedures in your school, reported as soon as you can | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
to be safeguarding the need and you have to be absolutely sure it will | :28:18. | :28:19. | |
be dealt with appropriately, so you follow up. What should change as a | :28:20. | :28:22. | |
result of the report? One of the things is that we need to start | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
looking, one of the important things is when people think it is a | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
cultural issue, it isn't. Mutilation of a child, yet it is a cultural | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
practice but it is child abuse, and until we get that under | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
safeguarding, that every child has a right to live free of fear and a | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
right not to be abused, if we take that approach then culture does not | :28:42. | :28:50. | |
come into it, we do not have to think about cultural practices, we | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
will deal with children as equals and that is how we should do it. I | :28:54. | :28:56. | |
really want to see this unit, I have not been able to contribute to the | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
report, my colleagues did more work on it but I know that we really need | :29:00. | :29:06. | |
to have this single unit which brings everybody together and focus | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
on education and raising awareness and making sure that this stops. As | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
a police officer would that unit, similar to the forced marriages | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
unit, would that specific unit help you? It would help in terms of | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
bringing the information together so that we had a better profile in | :29:24. | :29:28. | |
terms of prevalence across the country, but also in terms of | :29:29. | :29:31. | |
spreading good practice like what is going on in Bristol, spreading out | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
across the country as well. I do agree that education has to be one | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
of the main thrusts to eradicate this. Thank you very much, all of | :29:40. | :29:43. | |
you, for coming on. Still to come: Using your mobile | :29:44. | :29:55. | |
while driving. More than us than ever are doing it. We'll spoke to a | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
mum whouz 13-year-old daughter was killed by a texting driver. | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
And protecting vulnerable witnesses, more on that. | :30:07. | :30:16. | |
The French firm EDF says it's delighted the Chinese have welcomed | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
the Government's decision to push ahead with the Hinkley point nuclear | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
power station. The Energy Secretary Greg Clark confirmed this morning | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
the deal was approved, but he said its conditions were being revised to | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
enhance security and give the Government more power in future | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
negotiations. The plant in Somerset will cost around ?18 billion to | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
build. Let's go live to Hinkley point and speak to our correspondent | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
there, Dave Harvey, good morning. What reaction are you picking up? | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
Good morning. There is a very good reason why they build new nuclear | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
power stations next to old ones. Here on the west Somerset coast they | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
have had nuclear power since the '60s, the blue buildings being | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
decommissioned. This will be the site of what will be Europe's | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
largest building site, some ?18 billion providing around 7% of the | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
UK's total electricity. They are building a huge plant over there | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
just to mix the concrete is a massive undertaking. Up to 5,000 | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
jobs here at peak. They are familiar with the controversies over nuclear | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
power that have been going on for decades. This plant's been more | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
controversial than most, not just over the subsidies, guaranteed | :31:32. | :31:33. | |
prices for the electricity that will come out on here which on today's | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
money is about twice the going rate, although EDF and the Government say | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
in 10-20 years, that will look like a good deal but concerns too over | :31:43. | :31:50. | |
who will run it. It will be French and Chinese consortiums building a | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
nuclear power station in Britain. Theresa May tells us she has no | :31:55. | :31:57. | |
controls to ensure the British Government remains in control. I'll | :31:58. | :32:01. | |
tell you what, this plant will remain controversial for a good | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
while yet. Thank you very much. Elderly people | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
are being failed by the social care system because of financial | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
pressures on local councils according to health experts. A | :32:13. | :32:16. | |
report by the King's Fund and Nuffield Trust says that the local | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
authority support older people get is based on where they live, rather | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
than their needs. A Labour MP whose name was on a list | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
of those accused of abuse towards Jeremy Corbyn and his allies says | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
he's considering taking legal action against the Labour Leader. Speaking | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
on this programme, Neil Coyle says he does not know what he is supposed | :32:37. | :32:39. | |
to have done and that Jeremy Corbyn must have known about the list | :32:40. | :32:42. | |
before it was published. I'm upset, I let the leader know I was upset | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
yesterday and wanted to know what I was accused of. I asked if I | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
received a written apology, and this ridiculous petty student politics | :32:54. | :32:56. | |
list is retracted that would help but I will still be talking to a | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
lawyer tomorrow about this defamation. I've been, you know, | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
accused of abuse, that is completely unacceptable and it's so | :33:08. | :33:10. | |
unprofessional. So you are considering suing your leader? Yes, | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
and it would be the leader, not the party because this has been issued | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
by someone in his campaign team so it's not the Labour Party. Five | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
police officers face possible dismissal over the way they dealt | :33:21. | :33:24. | |
with the man who broke his neck during an incident outside a | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
nightclub. Julian Cole, a sports science student suffered severe | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
brain damage and was left paralysed after being arrested and restrained | :33:33. | :33:38. | |
by police in Bedford. The IPCC has recommended disciplinary action | :33:39. | :33:40. | |
against the five Bedfordshire police officers involved. | :33:41. | :33:47. | |
That's the summary. Join me for BBC newsroom live at 11. A couple of | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
comments from you about Neil Coyl, Peter says apart from the absurdity | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
of what is constantly being invented as abuse, it seems that the Labour | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
MPs need a dinner lady in the playground to separate them, bang | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
their heads together and tell their mum! They want to run the country, I | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
wouldn't give them an interview for a lollipop warden, they are | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
pathetic. Lee says, they are acting like petty school children, get on | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
with holding the Conservatives to account instead of in-fighting. Many | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
comments about people who drive and use their mobiles. I'll read some in | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
the next half hour when we are going to discuss that in more detail. | :34:29. | :34:30. | |
Before that, the sport with Jess. With four days still to go, Great | :34:31. | :34:41. | |
Britain are enjoying their best ever performance at a Paralympics. Hannah | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
Cockroft won her second gold, one of nine activitieses for Paralympics | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
GB. They have 95 medals overall, surpassing the London total. Chris | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
Froome says he's no issues with the latest leak of confident fshl | :34:56. | :34:58. | |
medical information, Russian hackers have revealed the medical files of a | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
number of athletes, including Froome and Bradley Wiggins but Froome says | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
he's already openly discussed banned substances he uses for verified | :35:09. | :35:12. | |
medical reasons. What a start for Champions League life for Leicester. | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
Mahrez scored twice as they beat Brugge 3-0 in Belgium in their first | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
ever match in the competition. Manchester City beat Borussia | :35:25. | :35:26. | |
Monchengladbach but Spurs lost to Monaco. The ECB has announced plans | :35:27. | :35:33. | |
for a new Twenty20 competition to run alongside the Blast. It's hoped | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
it will rival the Indian Premier League and Australia's Big Bash. It | :35:37. | :35:41. | |
could start as early as 2018. That is all the sport, more on the | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
BBC News Channel throughout the day. Thank you very much. | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
The number of drivers who use their mobile | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
phone behind the wheel is at "epidemic proportions". | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
That's according to the RAC, whose latest research found one | :35:55. | :35:56. | |
in three people admitted to using a phone while driving | :35:57. | :35:59. | |
The problem is even bigger among younger people, with some videoing, | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
tweeting and playing games at the same time as driving. | :36:04. | :36:05. | |
If caught you can get 3 points on your licence and a ?100 fine. | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
The Dept of Transport is consulting on whether to increase this to 4 | :36:09. | :36:12. | |
penalty points on your licence - or 6 if you're a lorry driver - | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
Everyone knows it's dangerous so why are more and more people doing it? | :36:16. | :36:22. | |
We can speak now to David Bisley from the RAC, | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
Also with us is Mitchell Copus who is a young driver | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
and Nazan Fennell who has campaigned on this issue since her 13 year | :36:30. | :36:32. | |
old daughter Hope was killed by a lorry driver who was texting | :36:33. | :36:35. | |
And in Nottinghamshire is Liese Bowers-Straw , | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
who was seriously injured in a motorway pile-up caused | :36:41. | :36:42. | |
by a woman who was driving while on her phone. | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
But before we talk to our guests, an American phone company has | :36:46. | :36:48. | |
launched a hard-hitting campaign to raise awareness of the dangers | :36:49. | :36:52. | |
The ads are shown in cinemas and on TV, and it has | :36:53. | :36:58. | |
been shared over seven million times online. | :36:59. | :37:01. | |
It lasts just over a minute. It's been shared over seven million times | :37:02. | :37:10. | |
online. Here is an extract. If you have young people in the room, you | :37:11. | :37:12. | |
may want to remove them. It will still be there | :37:13. | :37:15. | |
when we get back. Everyone loves the picture | :37:16. | :37:21. | |
I posted of you. VOICEOVER: AT remind you, | :37:22. | :38:28. | |
it can wait. Very, very powerful. Phones were a | :38:29. | :38:45. | |
factor in 492 accidents in Britain in 2014. Minimal penalty ?100, three | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
points, a survey found one in three people have used a phone behind the | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
wheel. It's illegal to use your phone while driving even at traffic | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
lights. Texting whilst driving is worse than drinking, research has | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
found. Let's talk to our guests, welcome all of you. David, people | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
hate seeing others using a phone while driving but a lot of us do it | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
ourselves don't we? Unfortunately, yes. Around a third admit to making | :39:14. | :39:20. | |
or receiving calls in the last 12 months when you are on the move. | :39:21. | :39:29. | |
Nearly 50% if you incollide stationary traffic. The same | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
percentage two years ago was only 8%, that is I think partly due to | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
the fact that more people are using their phones. It's also partly due | :39:39. | :39:42. | |
to the fact that people actually find it socially acceptable to do so | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
and they are prepared to admit to it. Are more people doing it or is | :39:46. | :39:53. | |
it that more have the phones? A bit of both I think. What effect does | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
the distraction of a phone have on somebody's driving ability? It's the | :39:59. | :40:10. | |
ability to deal with the unexpected. When driving, you have no control | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
over other people and, even just for a melt, you glance down to a phone | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
or you're thinking about the content of the message, you are not | :40:20. | :40:24. | |
focussing on the road. Wen when the unexpected thing happens, you can't | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
react. Nazan, the lorry driver that hit | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
your daughter was texting at the time. Tell our audience about it? It | :40:35. | :40:45. | |
was on a Monday, just a normal day. Hope went to school in the morning | :40:46. | :40:52. | |
and I went to work. After work, I came home and was preparing my | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
children's dinner, as usual. Hope was a little bit late. I wasn't too | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
worried, it was just half an hour, she was only just 13, she'd just got | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
into make-up and, you know, just doing the shops on the high street | :41:08. | :41:19. | |
and I wasn't worried. Then it got to almost an hour. Two police officers | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
were there, they came to tell me about what's happened to her. They | :41:24. | :41:29. | |
told me that Hope was riding her bicycle from school which was only | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
two roads away from home. She was riding from school back home and at | :41:36. | :41:43. | |
a crossing she saw traffic stationary, she attempted to cross | :41:44. | :41:52. | |
in front of an 18 tonne lorry. Now, the lorry was stationary, she walked | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
in front of it and the lorry driver also at that moment started going | :41:58. | :42:08. | |
forward. He never saw Hope. His 18 tonne vehicle went over my tiny | :42:09. | :42:13. | |
daughter, you know, and he was stopped by the people on the high | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
street. This happened at rush hour so the high street was full of | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
school children and commuters and other people, so despite the | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
terrifying scene, people saw exactly what happened, she was struck down | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
by the lorry, stuck under the vehicle for 20 minutes. Because of | :42:34. | :42:37. | |
the size to have the vehicle he couldn't free her. In the meantime | :42:38. | :42:44. | |
he was deleting the text messages? He was exchanging text messages with | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
his girlfriend. There was about 16 messages in 20 minutes. It was a | :42:49. | :42:55. | |
heated argument which means he was more involved, so he'd even less | :42:56. | :43:03. | |
attention paying on the road. So, you know... It's unimaginable, what | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
you have been through. She was under the wheels trapped, you know. | :43:09. | :43:20. | |
Mitchell, you are a young man, clearly, are you tempted to use your | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
phone at the wheel? From people's point of view that you have all the | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
inNorwich Unions of social media, Facebook Instagram and I think that | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
young people have that addiction where a notification goes off, a | :43:33. | :43:43. | |
sound alert and the sound alone can drive your attention away from the | :43:44. | :43:52. | |
road. People are four times more likely to use their phone than at | :43:53. | :44:00. | |
any other age research shows. Something I thought of that could be | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
a solution is that we have aeroplane modes which disable our phone, can | :44:07. | :44:10. | |
we get something if we work together with mobile phone companies or the | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
law, where our phone is paired to our car, can be disabled on a car | :44:15. | :44:21. | |
mode which then could help drivers not be distracted by their phone and | :44:22. | :44:30. | |
alerts. Let me bring in Lees. You were in an | :44:31. | :44:40. | |
accident involve involved with 17 other vehicles, caused by a woman | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
who was on her phone for a time, is that right? Yes, I was on the M1 | :44:45. | :44:56. | |
during rush hour and all I remember were headlights coming towards me | :44:57. | :45:02. | |
that I couldn't work out. A lady was going southbound on the M1 while I | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
was going forth bound, she was in the outside lane and whilst on her | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
phone, she hit the rumble strip because she'd not been | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
concentrating. She then veered over into a lorry, causing the lorry to | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
jack life, right the way across the M1 in front of me, killing somebody | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
instantly and doing serious damage to a lot of other people. What do | :45:25. | :45:34. | |
you think about what she was doing and how it's impacted on you? The | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
impact on me is colossal. I've gone from being a career woman, loving | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
work, travelling all oaf the country to, as you can see, somebody who is | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
a shadow of themselves. I've lost all of my identity. What I think | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
she's doing is completely wrong and she actually sat at the scene of the | :45:53. | :46:00. | |
accident deleting her call register and her text messages to deny all | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
knowledge of doing it and I just think, I don't really have words for | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
it, it's abomination I think. What do you think of the idea of | :46:13. | :46:22. | |
having a car mode for the phone to stop us being tempted and | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
distracted? I think it makes a lot of sense. The difficulty with | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
relying on the Bluetooth connection is very often it is the people who | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
don't have hands-free and Bluetooth that are the biggest problem. But | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
there will be a technology solution, I'm sure, that will help us on this, | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
we just haven't found it yet. I think that the technology is already | :46:42. | :46:51. | |
there, I think the US is ahead of us more for finding solutions about | :46:52. | :46:58. | |
this. Oprah started a campaign called No Phone Zone which has been | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
going on for about ten years now, and her campaign, basically, the | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
campaign we had about smoking and how much it was a socially | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
acceptable thing and the way we tackled it and made it anti-social, | :47:11. | :47:17. | |
basically you put stickers in the cars, saying no smoking, we could | :47:18. | :47:23. | |
have the same thing, so Oprah was giving out free stickers at every | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
petrol station, you can pick up a sticker with the red sign with the | :47:27. | :47:31. | |
phone inside and across, like with no smoking, so everybody can... It | :47:32. | :47:40. | |
is about raising awareness. Making the comparison with smoking, Nigel | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
has e-mailed to say, the ban on the use of mobile phones was introduced | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
in 2003, 13 years on it is widely broken. The ban on smoking in public | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
places, nine years on it is universally obeyed. | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
So we have to make it as socially unacceptable as drink-driving, as | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
smoking in public places? Absolutely, yes. And I think new | :48:04. | :48:10. | |
cars that are being made are having Bluetooth and stuff so I think it is | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
just a matter of time. Thank you all very much. | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
The Department for Transport told us it is totally unacceptable | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
for motorists to endanger lives by using hand-held mobile | :48:26. | :48:27. | |
"Offenders already face serious offences such as causing death | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
by dangerous driving, which can carry a substantial prison term. | :48:34. | :48:35. | |
We have also proposed tougher penalties for mobile phone use | :48:36. | :48:38. | |
to act as a deterrent and ensure it is not tolerated." | :48:39. | :48:43. | |
All vulnerable victims of crime and witnesses in England | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
and Wales will be allowed to pre-record their evidence. | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
This is what the Justice Secretary and Lord Chancellor, | :48:54. | :48:56. | |
Elizabeth Truss, had to say about the measures. | :48:57. | :48:58. | |
This is about making sure that vulnerable victims and witnesses, | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
particularly children, don't have to relive | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
the trauma of what's happened to them in open court. | :49:05. | :49:15. | |
They can testify in advance and be cross-examined in advance, | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
and we'll be rolling this out across the | :49:19. | :49:19. | |
Our legal eagle Clive Coleman has been looking in to it. | :49:20. | :49:27. | |
This marks a change in the way we do serious child because from 2017 all | :49:28. | :49:36. | |
vulnerable witnesses, so anyone under 18 or who suffers from a | :49:37. | :49:39. | |
mental or social disorder that could diminish their evidence, will be | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
able to have their evidence taken in a session that would take place | :49:43. | :49:46. | |
possibly six months before the trial. What will happen is that they | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
will be cross-examined in front of a judge but not the jewellery and | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
their evidence will be recorded, then it will be played in during the | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
trial, which could take place sometime heads. What that means, the | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
reason it is significant, it could mean that a victim or witness need | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
not attend the trial itself but simply append this prerecording of | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
their evidence. For centuries we have required victims and witnesses | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
to come physically to the court and for a long time there have been a | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
range of special measures for vulnerable witnesses when they do | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
come to court so they can give evidence from behind a screen, by | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
video link or with the help of a registered intermediary, but this is | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
a step change because it takes the victim or witness out of the white | :50:32. | :50:38. | |
heat of the trial and the advantages are that this happens closer to the | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
time of the incident, so the recollection will be fresher, and it | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
follows a number of pilots wear that was found to be the case, where | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
victims were more comfortable and witnesses found their recall was | :50:51. | :50:55. | |
better because it was happening earlier on. Another advantage is | :50:56. | :51:00. | |
that victims can get on with the process of therapy and counselling | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
without having this weighty trial looming in the future where they | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
have to relive the ordeal. But they are alleged victims until a | :51:08. | :51:17. | |
jury decide so how is it decided who will prerecord the evidence? | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
There is a lot of evidence taking place on this, during the | :51:21. | :51:27. | |
pre-recorded session there is a defence barrister there to | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
cross-examine. The way in which defence barristers cross-examine | :51:32. | :51:34. | |
vulnerable witnesses, particularly in sexual offence cases, has been a | :51:35. | :51:38. | |
subject of great controversy, but there is a barrister who will do the | :51:39. | :51:42. | |
cross-examination but it will be done at the earlier session and | :51:43. | :51:44. | |
there is provision that is something crops up during the course of the | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
trial, there is provision if necessary to bring the victim or | :51:49. | :51:50. | |
witness to court. Thank you. | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
Joining me now to discuss these measures are Gabrielle Brown, | :51:56. | :51:57. | |
a woman who was seriously sexually assaulted by a foreign | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
He had committed a string of sex offences six months prior | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
He was jailed but released on good behaviour. | :52:07. | :52:09. | |
A week after his release, he attacked her. | :52:10. | :52:18. | |
And, Francis Fitzgibbon QC - chairman | :52:19. | :52:19. | |
What do you think of this, Gabrielle? I think potentially it | :52:20. | :52:31. | |
will help a victim who has that absolute terror about facing their | :52:32. | :52:39. | |
alleged perpetrator in court. It helps with that. The one thing, | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
though, that I think is critical to the jury understanding the impact is | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
actually the jury seeing the victim face-to-face, seeing the tears in | :52:52. | :52:57. | |
the eyes, seeing it first hand, in the same way I waved my right to | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
anonymity not because I especially want to be here all out there, I | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
waved my right to anonymity so that people can see me for who I am with | :53:07. | :53:13. | |
no screen, nothing different, so that they can see how much I care | :53:14. | :53:21. | |
about what I'm expressing. Francis Fitzgibbon, Gabrielle agrees with it | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
but there is that point, however dramatic it may be for an alleged | :53:25. | :53:29. | |
victim, being given the courtroom and the jury seeing the impact of | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
the alleged crime has had on them. I think that is in a way marginal | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
point for this discussion, because the new provisions are limited, they | :53:38. | :53:42. | |
are important but they are limited to young people, and a rating, and | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
people who are found to be formidable in the sense of lacking | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
the intellectual ability to cope with the ordinary trial process and | :53:52. | :53:57. | |
the proposition for them is that their evidence will be better | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
presented if it is recorded in advance in the way that Clive has | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
described. Do you have any concerns about a defendant's right to a fair | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
trial when this measure is brought in? I think it is too early to say | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
whether there are real issues about that. I know that the experience of | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
people who were involved in the pilot areas is that the system has | :54:21. | :54:24. | |
worked pretty well. I don't think there have been any serious | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
complaint about it. The real innovation is not so much the | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
prerecording of evidence, because we have that to some extent anyway, it | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
is limitations that the judge can put on the questions being asked by | :54:38. | :54:42. | |
the defence cross-examination. The defence are required now to submit | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
the proposed questions in advance in writing for approval by the judge, | :54:47. | :54:52. | |
not to limit the nature of the defence budget to ensure that the | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
questions are questions that will be comprehensible to the vulnerable | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
witness, whoever that may be. I have spoken to a number of people over | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
the years, genuine victims of pretty awful crimes, who say actually there | :55:08. | :55:10. | |
was the crime and thing going through the court process, and that | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
felt like they were being abused all over again. Absolutely, I described | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
my own situation where it took nearly two years for the case to | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
come to trial at the Old Bailey as double abuse, absolutely it is. I | :55:23. | :55:29. | |
would say that whether it is a pre-recorded interview or not, the | :55:30. | :55:32. | |
victim will still be hanging on for that trial outcome, and there is | :55:33. | :55:38. | |
very little that can be done to diminish that pain, except for | :55:39. | :55:46. | |
bearing in mind that we all want the right outcome, the right decision, | :55:47. | :55:51. | |
whether it is acquittal or conviction, a more swift criminal | :55:52. | :55:55. | |
justice process. Waiting nearly two years the trial when my offender was | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
arrested within 20 minutes of the offence was tortured beyond help. It | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
really was. A slightly different issue but is there any prospect of | :56:05. | :56:11. | |
things being speeded up? The whole criminal justice system is massively | :56:12. | :56:14. | |
under resourced, it has suffered years of cuts in all departments | :56:15. | :56:18. | |
which unfortunately has meant the process has got much slower because | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
there just are not the people to speeded through as Gabrielle and all | :56:22. | :56:25. | |
of us would wish. If anyone listening would like to persuade the | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
Government to invest a little more heavily in getting the system to go | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
faster, that would be very welcome. I should say in fairness they have | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
spent a lot of money on digitising the system so we don't have paper | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
any more, everything is digital which will help a bit but there are | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
still big problems with resources. Are there any more changes coming | :56:48. | :56:51. | |
down the line similar to this, this prerecording of evidence? What else | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
can you see is holding? I can say this, that to accompany these | :56:57. | :57:03. | |
changes the entire criminal bar is about to embark on a massive free | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
education programme to teach us how to cross-examine vulnerable | :57:09. | :57:10. | |
witnesses in the now approved fashion, which is very different | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
from what we are used to. There is no putting your case, no haranguing, | :57:15. | :57:21. | |
you are not meant to be nearly as assertive... No describing the | :57:22. | :57:24. | |
witness or alleged victim as liar? Not at all. The rules are bespoke, | :57:25. | :57:31. | |
the judge will decide on each particular case and each witness | :57:32. | :57:34. | |
what the appropriate level of questioning should be after | :57:35. | :57:40. | |
discussion with the barristers, but it will all be managed closely by | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
the judge to ensure, not to shut out the defence but to ensure that the | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
witness is best able to give their evidence, and that the defence can | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
do what they need to do given the former abilities of the witness. | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
Thank you very much for coming on the programme. | :57:59. | :58:02. | |
You see clips of a pile of bricks causing anger in a gallery. | :58:03. | :58:38. | |
And a pickled shark floating in a tank. | :58:39. | :58:41. |