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Hello, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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Theresa May gives the go-ahead for Britain's first new nuclear

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Hinkley Point C in Somerset will become the biggest

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The fashion industry contributes billions to the UK economy

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and with London Fashion Week about to get underway,

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we'll be talking about why it's become so important and how it

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directly influences what you'll be buying on the high

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Also this morning, the Government says that BBC stars who earn more

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than ?150,000 a year should be named.

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109 familiar faces would be on the list including

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Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

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Today, with London Fashion Week just about to get underway

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we will be talking about the British fashion industry -

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not just its impact on what you wear, but its impact

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Are you one of the third of drivers who admit to using your mobile phone

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behind the wheel. So many people still refuse to switch off. We'll

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bring you an update on HMRC and your Tax Credits.

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Our top story today is that the Government has confirmed

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that it's giving the go-ahead to the controversial Hinkley Point

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nuclear power station in Somerset - but it's attaching new conditions.

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Full details will be revealed in Parliament this afternoon,

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but the Government says it's reached a revised agreement

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with the French energy company EDF which will build the plant.

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Well, let's get more on this from our political

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That has been on and off, what's happened now? It's all systems go

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for Hinkley and the reason for that bluntly is saying no was just too

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difficult because the concern is, if Theresa May decided to pull the

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plug, that would have, I mean dealt a body blow to our relations with

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the Chinese who're investing billions here, so didn't seem a good

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idea. More than that, I think there were genuine concerns in the wake of

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Brexit that if Theresa May said no, what kind of message does that send

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out to the rest of the world about Britain being open for business.

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There were concerns about the economy. Hinkley massive boost, not

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just for the local economy but for the UK generally, creating what,

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around 25,000 jobs. It would have raised a big question mark about how

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committed Theresa May was to pressing ahead with the huge

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infrastructure projects. We have got Heathrow, HSII coming down the lain,

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did it raise a question mark there? And there was the basic question, if

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not nuclear, then what? -- down the line. We have talked about North Sea

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oil, the winds are dodgy, can't rely on that, so what are we going to do?

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Are we just going to rely on questionable regimes and Russia to

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supply us with oil and gas. Faced with that, when you bundle all that

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together, I think Theresa May thought she's in a difficult place,

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there's not really a better option, she's going to give the go-ahead.

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More details this afternoon. Will most politicians support this or

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what? What is the background? Yes-ish, I think. I think the real

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sort of, if you like, catch in all of this, is the security issue.

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Theresa May, as we know, one of her big issues is security. It comes

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from her Home Secretary background. She was clearly nervous about the

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Chinese having a role in our nuclear industry and in particular building

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a Chinese only nuclear power station at Bradwell in Essex. The Government

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today's come up with what they regard as conditions to reassure

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people on the security front. I think there'll be an argument over

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that as to whether that's all just window dressing. It amounts to

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nothing maybe, because the security conditions, what they basically

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amount to is that, for future deals and nuclear agreements, the

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Government can block them if they are unhappy as to who these nuclear

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plants are being sold to. That's a future deal so it doesn't affect the

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current deal at Hinkley and it doesn't affect the current deal at

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Bradwell. This was Greg Clark, the Business Secretary this morning

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telling me why he believed the security conditions would make a

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difference. I think it was right for a new

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Government to look seriously at all the components of the deal and what

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we have decided is that for critical infrastructure generally, we want to

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make sure that our powers in this country are comparable to those of

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others to be able to check that national security considerations are

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taken into account. What we have done here in Hinkley is required

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that the EDF, the principal operator, guarantees, makes a

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commitment that they won't dispose of their stake without the

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Government's consent unless and million the plant is built and, in

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future, all other nuclear stations will be subject to the same regime

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-- unless and until. Here is the question pundits will be asking, has

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Theresa May blinked because she scrapped the original announcement

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saying she wanted more time. She marched us up to the hill pretty

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much saying I've got to check this out. People will now question how

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has she marched us down the hill and done pretty much the deal which

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David Cameron did. Thank you very much for the moment.

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Simon Jack is here. How much is this going to cost? It's going to cost

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?18 billion is the estimate. The good news is, we are not paying for

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that. EDF and the Chinese are stumping up all of that money so

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they are going to bear the cost of production. The bad news is the

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electricity it produces is much more expensive than we are paying at the

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moment so in effect we are subsidising it so we could see

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something of a rise in the electricity. The Chinese in a way

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saved this project. It was going nowhere. EDF didn't have enough cash

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to build this. The Chinese said we'll give you a third of the money

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but on the understanding we get to build one in a couple of reactors'

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time, we get our own built, Chinese designed and run reactor, that

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British kite mark on a Chinese reactor, they could sell it all

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around the world. That's the big prize for them and yes, with the

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strings attached that could really strangle the deal. So it still might

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not be built? What I mean is that if the China think this new legal

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frameworks amount to an understanding that they could build

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that and that was a guarantee, they may look at it. They are not that

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interested in Hinkley. They want one of their reactors here are British

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approval which they could then sell around the world. I think it's going

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to be interesting to see the Chinese' reaction to this because

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they say it's about foreign Government. They don't want to say,

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we don't trust you. Their reaction is key, if they think they are being

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told you haven't got a guarantee about Bradwell, they could still

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reconsider. We have to be a bit careful about saying this will get

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built. Thank you very much.

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The care system in England is failing to meet the needs

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of an increasing number of vulnerable older people.

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The support they currently receive is dependent on where they live

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Annita McVeigh is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The care system in England is failing to meet the needs

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of an increasing number of vulnerable older people.

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The support they currently receive is dependent on where they live

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Here's our social affairs correspondent, Alison Holt.

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Ann and Cyril Thomas find increasingly they need help at home.

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He has Parkinson's and memory loss, she has problems getting about.

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Family help a lot, but after she had to go to hospital, the asked

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They found care workers struggling with caseloads.

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Sometimes they're given so many people to care for,

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you don't know what time you're going to have someone

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coming to put you to bed, get you up in the morning.

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And today's report by two leading think tanks says the social care

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system which helps people with such things as washing,

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It points to ongoing cuts to council care budgets,

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a growing shortage of the care staff needed to support an ageing

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population, and it concludes even large home-care

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Two of the largest national providers of home care in the last

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year have pulled out of local authority contracts.

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Many more providers are handing contracts back to

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And the situation now is perilous, quite frankly.

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You miss not being able to do your garden, don't you?

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The Department of Health says it recognises the pressures,

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but insists it has significantly increased the money available

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to local authorities to help provide affordable, dignified care.

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You can find out the cost of care in your area by using the BBC's

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You enter your postcode, local council name or Northern Ireland

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health board and it will bring up how much an hour of homecare costs,

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and information about the fees charged in residential

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The BBC will have to reveal the salary details of all employees

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and presenters paid more than ?150,000 a year,

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The proposal is part of the draft for a new BBC charter which will be

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The BBC had argued against the change, saying it would make it

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Vulnerable victims and witnesses of crime in England and Wales

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will no longer have to appear in court, under new plans to roll

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The cross-examinations will be recorded and played during the trial

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sparing both victims and witnesses the stress of reliving traumatic

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Under the shake-up, more minor offences will also be dealt

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A new row has broken out in the Labour Party over a list

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of MPs accused of "abuse" towards the leader Jeremy

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Two MPs have made formal complaints after they were named

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on the list, which was compiled by Mr Corbyn's team.

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Deputy leader Tom Watson, who also featured on the list,

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The number of drivers admitting to using a mobile phone while behind

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the wheel has risen to nearly a third, according to

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Research from motoring organisation the RAC,

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has found 31 percent of drivers admitted using their phone,

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According to the Department for Transport, 21 people

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were killed in 2014 by drivers who were distracted by their mobile.

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Five Russians are trapped in a cave in the Arctic surrounded by polar

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bears. A helicopter has delivered fresh supplies, including flares to

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try to scare the bears away. A soologist explained what was going

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on. These people are in a small hut or cabin trying to do some work

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there and they are in an area that's always been occupied by polar bears.

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Over the last several years, the sea ice has been less and less available

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and melting earlier in the spring and coming back later in the fall

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and, over the last 30 years, these bears are contending with about 55

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days of less sea ice. Bears can only catch their food. They have food in

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their huts and they are cooking. They have attractive smells there

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that might bring bears around. If you are a bunch of hungry bears and

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the only thing that smells of food is humans, that's where you are

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going to go. The number of drivers admitting

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to using a mobile phone while behind the wheel has risen to nearly

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a third, according to Research from motoring

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organisation the RAC, has found 31 percent of drivers

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admitted using their phone, According to the Department

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for Transport, 21 people were killed in 2014 by drivers

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who were distracted by their mobile. Now some sport. Paralympics GB have

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broken more records. They have beaten the total number of medals

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they won at London 2012, making 2016 the best ever performance. Take a

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deep breath before these success stories. Hannah Cockroft clinched

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the T 34, 400 metre title in world record time. The 24-year-old had

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already won the 100 metres at the weekend. Can she make it three in a

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row when she competes tomorrow? In the pool, Hannah Russell swam to S

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12 and won the gold. A dominant race by her, she touched home almost six

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seconds ahead of her nearest rival. British one twos also in the SB

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14100 metre breaststroke. Earlier in the day, Sarah Storey won

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the 13th gold of her career. Time trial gold picked up. Kadeena

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Cox became the first to win medals in two different sports. She

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followed up her gold in cycling with a T 38400 metre title on the track

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and celebration dance moves there on the podium.

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What a day, Para GB have a total of 95 medals from Rio 2016, 43 gold,

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incredible. The Russian hackers have struck

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again, Sir Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome this time?

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Yes, they call themselves Fancied Their and have released their second

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set of files including the two cyclists. It is important to stress

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there is no suggestion that the athletes are involved in any

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wrongdoing, the information released is mostly therapeutic and related to

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their medical needs. It is believed to hacks are retaliation for

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Russia's ban due to doping but the Russian authorities have denied any

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involvement. Chris Froome has released a statement which says, I

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have openly discussed these things with the media and have no issues

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with the leaks, which only confirm my statements. I have twice used a T

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U E for exasperated asthma, the last time was in 2014.

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Let's talk about Leicester, what an astonishing start to their Champions

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League campaign, their first ever. Yes, an historic first win for them

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in the Champions League, the fairy tale keeps rolling on for them. They

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won against Belgian side Bruges, and it did not take long to get the ball

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rolling. Marc Albrighton scored their first shot after five minutes

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and how about this for a free kick? Riyad Mahrez cold in a beauty before

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the break and added another from the penalty spot in the second half, 3-0

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the Final Score. Manchester City swept aside pro-Russian munching

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blood back in their fixture. Rain forced the game to be postponed

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yesterday and the Germans might be wishing it had rained heavily a

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game, they were stumped 4-0, Sergio Aguero scoring a hat-trick. Not a

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great start for Spurs, a record-breaking crowd, in excess of

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85,000 at Wembley, saw them lose 2-1 to Monaco. Spurs are playing at the

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National Stadium because of reduced capacity as they rebuild their White

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Hart Lane ground. We will be hearing from the director

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of UK Sport to explain the success in Radio 4 Para GB.

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Thank you. As New York Fashion Week

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wraps up today, attention has moved to London,

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where our Fashion Week Big British designers Burberry

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will be there, as will Mary Katrantzou and Christopher Kane,

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who is celebrating 10 years Prime Minister Theresa May

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is hosting a reception for designers and industry insiders

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at Downing Street tonight. And it is not surprising she thinks

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it is important - the British fashion industry adds ?28 billion

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to the UK economy each year and Fashion Week itself generates

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?100 million in orders. So what does the industry offer

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to Britain and how does With British Vogue turning 100 this

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year, we have the magazine's deputy Also, Roy Luwolt, the co-founder

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of luxury shoe brand Malone Souliers, who is showing

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at London Fashion Week Hannah Rafter is 22 -

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she had to do seven unpaid internships until she landed her

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current job as a junior And Sophie Walker is the leader

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of the Women's Equality Party who have launched a campaign called

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#NoSizeFitsAll to keep consumers conscious of body image

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during London Fashion Week. Good morning all of you, thank you

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for coming on the programme. Let's talk about London and the impact it

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has on the UK economy. As he said, 28 billion, the fashion industry is

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worth 28 billion to Britain. Our exports in fashion wear alone was I

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think 5.6 billion this last year. I'm sure that figure will rise in

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the next year with the dollar. I think it is 880,000 jobs. 880,000?

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880,000 jobs connected to the fashion industry. Companies like

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Mulberry have got two factory is now down in Somerset, jobs in areas

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where there is low employment. I think the fashion industry here in

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London and in the rest of the country means that we are a big

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player on the world stage. Tourists flood from all over the world here.

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You are showing at London Fashion Week for the first time, here are

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some of your shoes. Tell the audience how much these might cost?

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Riyal interesting trend in that we serve a wide spectrum of the market,

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so if you look at the couture pieces, the red ones, each one of

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the shoes has a female name to it, that is a couture piece and that is

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6000 pounds. What?! You are joking me?! Who buys a pair of shoes for

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?6,000?! That was specially paid for Michelle Obama, so that is

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different, and it was a gift from the brand. Wow. Just to be clear, if

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you work... Have you sold any of these? No, we don't sell these, this

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special power we do not sell. This is something that would come in with

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a private order, a bespoke request or something. How can that be worth

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?6,000? It takes about six months to create the structure, every aspect

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of it is unique, and it is unique to the person wearing them. It is not

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something that can be produced as skill, it is impossible. The rest of

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these are an average price of 500 or ?600, those are the ones that would

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sell all over the world. Are we likely to see copies, Emily, of

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these kinds of shoes in the high street after Roy have shown at

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London Fashion Week for the first time? That is what tends to happen,

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designers parade couture stuff... The high street takes a lot of broad

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trends from what you see on the catwalks, the high street also is

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incredibly helpful with younger designers, they do a lot of

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collaborations, young designers struggle financially so the high

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street is very supportive back. I don't know whether these particular

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designs, you might see similar, but it is a lot of broad strokes, so we

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have got a lot of backless loafers, Gucci, you will have seen that in

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the high-street, similar. So, yes, you will see, a lot of what we see

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this weekend, you will see elements of it, inspiration, moving to the

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catwalk, I mean high-street, pretty quickly. How many weeks? Some can

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turn it around in six to eight weeks. Some designers are not too

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happy about that element of it... There are laws to protect them. But

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for the consumers, it is fantastic, to be honest! Hannah, what is it

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like working in the fashion industry? To get to a paid job you

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have had to do seven internships, unpaid work experience? I did all my

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internships as part of my university degree, so I chose a degree that had

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a placement year, so my university was a big advocate of working in

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fashion, they promoted paid internships but in my area, PR and

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marketing, there is such a huge demand for that area of fashion that

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brands and agencies don't pay in terms, but what I do say is they

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paid all of my expenses, all of my lunch was paid for, and I have

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several friends that also work in the industry as buyers,

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merchandisers, technologists, who, because there is a lack of people

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wanting to do those sorts of jobs, brands can pay them for that. But as

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my area is so highly, people want to work in that area, especially

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Fashion Week, every girl's dream, so while there is huge demand for it I

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think brands and agencies can not pay in turns. But I think it is

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slowly changing, I talk about internships on a daily basis and

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when I do the research so many more brands are saying that agencies pay

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the interns now because they are looking at new laws and there are

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new programmes out there from when I started two years ago. It is slowly

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changing for PR and marketing as well as other areas. There are laws

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in a company for more than one month without being paid. Correct. If the

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company wants to hold onto the talent, you are encouraged to take

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them on as a paid in turn four I think six months. Alternatively you

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have the option of hiring volunteers who can come and go as they please

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in terms of timing, so you cannot say they must work a minimum number

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of hours during the week... For nothing? Yes, because it can help

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experience if you are not able to pay them. Most people accept the

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principle of work experience, most people watching have done a bit,

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whatever area it is, it is just you cannot keep doing free work, can

:25:00.:25:04.

you? Although you don't regret it because it has helped you get where

:25:05.:25:09.

you are, Hannah? I don't regret it because the area I went into, I knew

:25:10.:25:14.

it would be top. Every interview was me against 20 girls. The experience

:25:15.:25:19.

I have had in fashion, interning at several high-street brands and

:25:20.:25:22.

agencies, has been invaluable and given me my work ethic,

:25:23.:25:28.

opportunities to now do freelance work for those companies. I went to

:25:29.:25:32.

New York Fashion Week and worked there based on my experience in

:25:33.:25:36.

London. It is who I am today and got me my job now so I don't regret it.

:25:37.:25:41.

Sophie Walker, leader of the Women's Equality Party, a view on

:25:42.:25:46.

internships in the fashion industry brand-newWe want to see a fairer

:25:47.:25:52.

approach to work. The retail industry employs predominantly

:25:53.:25:55.

women, it attracts predominantly women, and as a result it is

:25:56.:25:59.

predominantly women who are suffering from unequal pay and no

:26:00.:26:07.

pay. We are also very, very keen to see a switch up in the levels of men

:26:08.:26:11.

and women at senior levels, it is very interesting to us that only 40%

:26:12.:26:19.

of main womenswear brands have female designers at the helm, and

:26:20.:26:23.

when you look at senior executives, top executives, of fashion brands,

:26:24.:26:30.

only 14% are female so there is a huge inequality there. Tell our

:26:31.:26:34.

audience about your #NoSizeFitsAll campaign? The Women's Equality Party

:26:35.:26:40.

was set up about a year ago because we did not feel the other political

:26:41.:26:45.

parties were fully understanding women's needs and experiences when

:26:46.:26:48.

they thought about the decisions made and how we make legislation and

:26:49.:26:53.

look after people in this country. We have launched #NoSizeFitsAll

:26:54.:26:56.

because we want to have a discussion based around Fashion Week about the

:26:57.:27:00.

huge far-reaching influence of the fashion industry's obsession with a

:27:01.:27:07.

uniform the extremely small size. We are looking at the Sample sizes

:27:08.:27:13.

specifically, which are much, much, much smaller than the average size

:27:14.:27:19.

in the UK. Why is that an issue? Because the power of the imagery is

:27:20.:27:23.

significant, we sourced no fewer than 28 reports from the UK, Europe,

:27:24.:27:28.

North America, Canada, proving the link between media imagery and how

:27:29.:27:32.

we feel about our bodies, positively or negatively, and how when we feel

:27:33.:27:38.

negatively about our bodies it puts us at risk of eating disorder which

:27:39.:27:42.

is a major public health issue now. And a cost to the NHS. Precisely,

:27:43.:27:49.

there are 1.3 million people in the UK who suffer from eating disorders.

:27:50.:27:54.

About 90% of them are women and girls so it is a public health issue

:27:55.:27:58.

that disproportionately affect women and girls. It is costing the economy

:27:59.:28:04.

about ?1.6 billion per year in terms of lost productivity and health care

:28:05.:28:09.

costs. Roy, as co-founder of a shoe brand you are not necessarily the

:28:10.:28:13.

design but do you think people like yourself, a great influence in the

:28:14.:28:17.

fashion industry, take the responsibility of the images you

:28:18.:28:28.

project in magazines, advertising hoardings, so on, seriously enough?

:28:29.:28:30.

Indeed, and if I may start by pointing out a couple of things that

:28:31.:28:33.

were mentioned. The majority of my firm is ruled by women. My designer

:28:34.:28:36.

but also the people in the brand team, the people who lead the teams

:28:37.:28:40.

in product development, the accountant. I think there has been a

:28:41.:28:44.

big shift in the fashion industry, which is not to say it is healed and

:28:45.:28:48.

I agree with a lot of the points but at the same time we are now an

:28:49.:28:51.

industry that's not to support but propagates diversity, so it goes

:28:52.:28:56.

beyond just the image, that is a small part of what is a bigger

:28:57.:29:00.

problem. But it is a very powerful image. It is indeed, and to my

:29:01.:29:06.

point, our campaigns are always looking for something that is not

:29:07.:29:08.

mainstream in terms of the representation that we'd use in the

:29:09.:29:12.

models and indeed look books and all that, and it is all about

:29:13.:29:17.

understanding how to connect with a consumer who wants to feel something

:29:18.:29:22.

more emotive, which goes through all sizes and shapes, and, most

:29:23.:29:26.

importantly, from a physical perspective -- fiscal perspective,

:29:27.:29:30.

some people cannot afford that ?600 pair so we start from ?200, and the

:29:31.:29:38.

element of women being paid less, it goes to what products are preferred,

:29:39.:29:42.

that makes it inclusive for them. So I think there is a big

:29:43.:29:46.

responsibility that fashion plays, it is not entirely revolutionised

:29:47.:29:53.

but I think certainly there is a big acceptance of propagation of

:29:54.:29:57.

continuity of understanding, it is great to accept different types and

:29:58.:30:01.

ethnicities and all but. It is definitely time for fashion to

:30:02.:30:04.

evolve. The point we are making is we want to see next year on London

:30:05.:30:11.

Fashion Week designers showing at least two sample sizes, one of which

:30:12.:30:15.

should be size 12 or above, because when you start to change the idea of

:30:16.:30:19.

what is acceptable you lead the way in diversity and acceptance. At

:30:20.:30:26.

London Fashion Week we had lots of catwalks with four sizes up. It has

:30:27.:30:36.

become mainstream. It is not even a novelty any more. We shoot and

:30:37.:30:45.

accept... Models are different ages. But it is not mainstream, when we

:30:46.:30:51.

look at the images... It happens, she has been shot naked, in her

:30:52.:30:57.

complete beauty of natural... Sophie is saying it is not mainstream.

:30:58.:31:02.

There is increased diversity, very slowly, but what we are seeing is an

:31:03.:31:07.

exploration of opposite extremes. We are being shown an alternative

:31:08.:31:14.

version. I don't think it is exploration. It is seen as

:31:15.:31:20.

opposition, not a true exploration of the many sizes we are.

:31:21.:31:27.

Post-referendum, do you see any difference in sales, or is it too

:31:28.:31:32.

soon? I'm a business graduate and business man specifically. My

:31:33.:31:36.

interest in fashion comes from the strategies, as well as the brand

:31:37.:31:39.

elements which goes into understand why people want what they want and

:31:40.:31:45.

how to provide that to them at the right price and so on. It's

:31:46.:31:50.

psychological, Brexit. Quite a lot of people are happy about it,

:31:51.:31:53.

perhaps not in the fashion industry? At the same time, yes, it's going to

:31:54.:31:59.

affect us eventually, but one thing about fashion is it's the one

:32:00.:32:03.

goalpost that can move as flexibly as we wish it to, so we take the

:32:04.:32:15.

mantle on the whole and shift it. Part of the rationale of Theresa May

:32:16.:32:19.

holding this reception ahead of the start of London Fashion Week is to

:32:20.:32:22.

make it really clear, as she does every time she speaks about the

:32:23.:32:25.

referendum result, Britain is open for business. Correct. Absolutely.

:32:26.:32:30.

It's great she's holding a reception tonight. I think it's really

:32:31.:32:34.

important that we continue to grow our industry at home. We still do an

:32:35.:32:41.

enormous amount of manufacturing abroad, the past Government also

:32:42.:32:45.

provided huge grants to have factories here. There is a huge

:32:46.:32:48.

amount of talent up north. I think we have got to continue the funding

:32:49.:32:53.

here in the industry so that we are not sending... Absolutely. Creating

:32:54.:33:00.

jobs here at home. Creating jobs for Europe. London plays a role Paris

:33:01.:33:04.

doesn't play. London Fashion Week will not decline in any way, we'll

:33:05.:33:08.

just have to realise the challenge we have been give tonne make sure we

:33:09.:33:11.

continue to lead what is a big economy boost to the entire country.

:33:12.:33:13.

Thank you very much all of you. Still to come: The latest on the tax

:33:14.:33:17.

credit row and the Government's decision not to renew a contract

:33:18.:33:20.

with the private company responsible And searching for Purple Aki -

:33:21.:33:23.

we'll have a special report on the myths and reality

:33:24.:33:31.

of a Merseyside man who children Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

:33:32.:33:36.

Newsroom with a summary The Government has confirmed that

:33:37.:33:47.

it's giving the go-ahead to the controversial Hinkley Point

:33:48.:33:53.

nuclear power station in Somerset. Ministers have approved the deal

:33:54.:33:56.

for a new ?18bn nuclear power station in the UK

:33:57.:34:00.

but with new conditions attached. The plant is being financed

:34:01.:34:04.

by the French and the Chinese and the Prime Minister had

:34:05.:34:07.

postponed its approval Health experts have warned the

:34:08.:34:21.

social health care system is failing to meet the needs of the elderly. In

:34:22.:34:26.

a report, the King's Fund and Nuffield Trust say the local

:34:27.:34:30.

authorities support older people received was based on where they

:34:31.:34:34.

lived, rather than their need. The BBC will have to reveal the

:34:35.:34:39.

salary details of employees and presenters paid more than ?150,000 a

:34:40.:34:42.

year under Government plans. The proposal is part of the draft for a

:34:43.:34:46.

new BBC charter which will be published later today. The BBC had

:34:47.:34:49.

argued against the change, saying it would make it harder to attract

:34:50.:34:53.

talent. Vulnerable victims and witnesses of

:34:54.:34:56.

crime in England and Wales will no longer have to appear in court under

:34:57.:35:00.

new plans to roll out pre-tile evidence sessions. The

:35:01.:35:03.

cross-examinations will be recorded and played during the trial, sparing

:35:04.:35:07.

both victims and witnesses the stress of reliving traumatic events

:35:08.:35:11.

in open court. Under the shake-up, more minor

:35:12.:35:14.

offences will be dealt with entirely online.

:35:15.:35:18.

That's a summary of the latest news. More at ten. And the sports

:35:19.:35:21.

headlines now with Jess. It was another golden day

:35:22.:35:26.

for Great Britain at the paralympics in Rio Hannah Cockcroft

:35:27.:35:29.

won her second gold of the games, one of 9 titles for Paralympics GB

:35:30.:35:33.

on day seven of the Games. With 95 medals overall,

:35:34.:35:36.

they've now surpassed their London The World Anti doping agency has

:35:37.:35:42.

criticed a further leak of its medical files

:35:43.:35:46.

by Russian hackers. The latest batch reveals information

:35:47.:35:48.

about a number of British athletes including Sir Bradley Wiggins

:35:49.:35:50.

and Chris Froome. What a start for champions

:35:51.:35:52.

league life for Leicester. Riyad Mahrez scored twice

:35:53.:35:55.

as they beat Brugge 3-0 in Belgium in their first ever match

:35:56.:35:57.

in the competition. Manchester City beat

:35:58.:36:01.

Borussia Munchengladbach but Spurs And the ECB has announced

:36:02.:36:07.

plans for a new twenty twenty competition to run alongside

:36:08.:36:11.

the current T20 Blast. The new format will feature 8 teams

:36:12.:36:13.

and it's hoped it will rival the Indian Premier League

:36:14.:36:17.

and Australia's Big Bash. This programme's exclusive report

:36:18.:36:19.

that a US firm was wrongly stopping tax credits for thousands of people

:36:20.:36:31.

led to HMRC not renewing And yesterday in Parliament,

:36:32.:36:34.

the issue prompted an urgent Let's talk now to our reporter

:36:35.:36:40.

Peter Whittlesea who has more. Today there are executives from

:36:41.:36:54.

consent tricks coming in to talk about the issues they need to

:36:55.:36:59.

address. Yesterday, in Parliament, as you were mentioning, many MPs

:37:00.:37:03.

talked about the problems that their constituents had had. They also said

:37:04.:37:06.

that this programme had highlighted what a big issue it was and how the

:37:07.:37:10.

mistakes were affecting hundreds of people up and down the country. Why

:37:11.:37:17.

does it take the BBC's programme two days running to bring ministers to

:37:18.:37:21.

this despatch box? On Monday, a member of my staff got the run

:37:22.:37:28.

around between HMRC and Centrix on the basis that nobody would take

:37:29.:37:31.

responsibility. My constituents have spent hours on this. I think they

:37:32.:37:37.

need to involve the private sector in a sensitive issue like this, that

:37:38.:37:44.

does not work. What are HMRC and Concentrix now saying? For the third

:37:45.:37:48.

day, they haven't come on the show. We asked for an interview but they

:37:49.:37:53.

said: We recognise individual Tax Credit claims can be difficult for

:37:54.:37:56.

all concerned, we adopt a rigorous process at every stage to make sure

:37:57.:38:02.

we manage this responsibly and in full accordance with guidance set by

:38:03.:38:07.

HMRC. We asked HMRC for a third day in a row, they said: We want to

:38:08.:38:13.

assure customers that we'll prioritise cases and make sure

:38:14.:38:17.

they're processed as quickly as possible. We have decided nolet to

:38:18.:38:24.

extend our contract with Concentrix and HMRS is redeploying 150 staff to

:38:25.:38:29.

help with claims. Since we have come on air, sources close to this have

:38:30.:38:37.

told me that just before we did our report, HMRC and Concentrix were

:38:38.:38:40.

close to agreeing a new deal. Really?

:38:41.:38:48.

Yes, and what's more, sources have told me that Concentrix was only

:38:49.:38:52.

told an hour before HMRC told the press that their contract wasn't

:38:53.:38:55.

being renewed. That is why some staff in Belfast heard that

:38:56.:38:59.

potentially their jobs could be at risk because their contracts was not

:39:00.:39:05.

going to be renewed. Renewed through tweets from the BBC rather than

:39:06.:39:07.

through the company themselves. We'll be speaking to a Labour MP

:39:08.:39:15.

who says he'll sue Jeremy Corbyn after claims and counter-claims

:39:16.:39:20.

of bullying continue Chances are if you're from anywhere

:39:21.:39:21.

on Merseyside then it's a name Some believe he's a figure made up

:39:22.:39:30.

to scare children. Others, however, have

:39:31.:39:34.

crossed his path. Akinwale Arobieki, or Purple Aki,

:39:35.:39:36.

is a man with an obsession A mysterious figure,

:39:37.:39:41.

notorious across Merseyside, Arobieke has a string of offences

:39:42.:39:47.

to his name relating to his desire to feel the biceps of toned men

:39:48.:39:50.

across the North West. Ben Zand has been finding out

:39:51.:39:55.

more about him. A name that is whispered in the

:39:56.:40:01.

parks and playgrounds of Merseyside. Watch out or Purple

:40:02.:40:11.

Aki will get you. A bogeyman that nobody

:40:12.:40:27.

was really sure even existed. When I was at school

:40:28.:40:30.

we would all joke about him. You'd make threats saying

:40:31.:40:34.

he was going to come and get you and we'd laugh but we'd be

:40:35.:40:41.

a little bit scared. Even on a wet Monday

:40:42.:40:44.

night in July everyone Even on a wet Monday

:40:45.:40:50.

night in July everyone It's kind of like a ghost

:40:51.:41:14.

story almost that goes round the playground

:41:15.:41:24.

to scare people. He's a legend but

:41:25.:41:26.

when you see him... I seen him once

:41:27.:41:28.

in Birkenhead market. I've seen him in Lime Street,

:41:29.:41:33.

my dad works in Lime I actually saw him the other day

:41:34.:41:36.

coming down the escalator I was walking across

:41:37.:41:40.

the road and this big black And he said, I do,

:41:41.:41:53.

what gym do you train at? I told him and he said I train

:41:54.:42:03.

there, that's where I know you from. Let me just show you these murderers

:42:04.:42:07.

on trial at the law courts. I was like, I don't want to see any

:42:08.:42:10.

murderers, straightaway he turned to me and said, are you being

:42:11.:42:13.

racist, you don't want to come I was shocked, was like, me dad's

:42:14.:42:16.

from Egypt, I'm not a racist. We went in the law courts and this

:42:17.:42:20.

is where he gets weird. Went into a little tiny room

:42:21.:42:24.

so he said, take your top off. I said, I don't want

:42:25.:42:27.

to take my top off. He said why, what's wrong with that,

:42:28.:42:32.

you do body building, I'm into body-building,

:42:33.:42:35.

I want to see your muscles. He was stood in front of the door,

:42:36.:42:37.

I had nowhere to go. In the end, took me top off,

:42:38.:42:40.

he had me doing all these He's like, I want to see how strong

:42:41.:42:43.

you are, get me in a fireman's Sweating loads and I remember

:42:44.:42:48.

thinking, are you sweating? After I put him down,

:42:49.:43:06.

he wasn't in front of the doors, so I opened the door and legged it

:43:07.:43:09.

back to the train station, 2-3 weeks after this

:43:10.:43:12.

happened I was on the bike, Next thing he jumps out,

:43:13.:43:22.

grabs me, he's like, I brought my tape measure

:43:23.:43:26.

to measure your muscles. Tried to put it round me

:43:27.:43:31.

leg and that's when I In court he said his

:43:32.:43:33.

nickname is racist. He's been questioned by the police

:43:34.:43:52.

about muscle touching You have to go back to the 80s

:43:53.:43:55.

to understand how come Gary was a big lad, six foot,

:43:56.:44:05.

and he was absolutely adored football, constantly playing

:44:06.:44:30.

football, quite well And I think that's what Purple Aki

:44:31.:44:33.

liked, was his legs. To be honest, I didn't

:44:34.:44:39.

know nothing about him, never heard about him

:44:40.:44:44.

until he started harassing Gary. You are at the bus stop

:44:45.:44:47.

and there is no one there. And the next minute he is there

:44:48.:44:53.

in the bsu stop, right next to you and you are like where did

:44:54.:44:56.

he come from because you didn't see him coming,

:44:57.:44:59.

it was like he just appeared. Gary was absolutely

:45:00.:45:05.

terrified of him. Yeah, really scared,

:45:06.:45:10.

really, really scared. He'd be standing in the entry

:45:11.:45:12.

at the side of his house, so you wouldn't know

:45:13.:45:18.

that he was there and as Gary would leave my house and walk over,

:45:19.:45:21.

he'd step out the entry and Gary would go down the entry with him,

:45:22.:45:27.

and that's when he used to make Gary said he would

:45:28.:45:30.

get excited by that. That's why Gary went to the police

:45:31.:45:33.

in the end and got a harassment order, and the order was Purple Aki

:45:34.:45:37.

was not supposed to come over to Birkenhead, wasn't

:45:38.:45:40.

allowed over the Mersey. He was supposed to stay

:45:41.:45:45.

on the Liverpool side and he didn't. We got up on the Sunday morning,

:45:46.:45:50.

was a really lovely day. Gary had made plans to go

:45:51.:45:54.

with all his friends. And then the next minute

:45:55.:46:01.

I heard his mum screaming. Something to do with Purple Aki

:46:02.:46:12.

following him or chasing him. When he came out of the swimming

:46:13.:46:18.

baths, Purple Aki was at the entrance, Gary spotted

:46:19.:46:26.

him, he spotted Gary. Gary panicked because obviously he's

:46:27.:46:31.

been and snitched on him and got the police involved so Gary must

:46:32.:46:34.

have panicked and ran to get out And I think he tried to mingle

:46:35.:46:37.

in the crowd. Purple Aki followed him to the train

:46:38.:46:42.

station and he's just gone into panic mode and thought,

:46:43.:46:53.

"I've got to get away," and his only escape

:46:54.:46:56.

would have been to cross the lines He got caught on the lines

:46:57.:46:58.

and got electrocuted. But it was overturned

:46:59.:47:06.

because there was no evidence he'd actually threatened

:47:07.:47:16.

or even touched Gary. Aki's defence was he was the victim

:47:17.:47:21.

of racism, he was just It's almost as if fear had killed

:47:22.:47:24.

Gary Kelly. Everywhere you went there

:47:25.:47:35.

was like writing all over train stations and walls, "RIP Gary Kelly,

:47:36.:47:42.

always remembered Gary Kelly," and obviously I think,

:47:43.:47:44.

loads of slanderous Growing up, I heard so many people

:47:45.:47:46.

pretend they'd seen him, Do you think they pretend that

:47:47.:47:52.

they've seen him or they I didn't even know

:47:53.:47:56.

he existed at first. I can't believe you didn't

:47:57.:48:00.

think he existed. I wondered if Aki was a bit

:48:01.:48:02.

of a victim in all of this. A big, black man in a white city

:48:03.:48:07.

with an odd obsession with muscles. She has moved to the other end

:48:08.:48:12.

of the country, and even now When I was about 13,

:48:13.:48:28.

14, going to the local park, you had to pass the forest,

:48:29.:48:35.

and they always said, Growing up it was a myth, I didn't

:48:36.:48:37.

believe it - I used to think We were outside the shop

:48:38.:48:46.

and drinking cider. It was like Mad Dog 2020,

:48:47.:48:59.

something like that, and we were hanging

:49:00.:49:01.

about and he turned up Everybody was like, "Oh,

:49:02.:49:03.

my God, it's Purple Aki." He's just purple and huge,

:49:04.:49:13.

no-one else like him. One day I was going home

:49:14.:49:22.

and Aki was trying to touch my brother,

:49:23.:49:24.

feel my brother's arms so I said to him, "I'm going to phone

:49:25.:49:28.

the police if you don't leave my brother alone, get away,

:49:29.:49:37.

get away from the boys, move." When I got home about half

:49:38.:49:43.

an hour later, bang, bang on the door and I looked out

:49:44.:49:45.

the window and he was like, "Come down here," and I was like,

:49:46.:49:52.

"I'm not coming down." Put it through my letterbox

:49:53.:49:55.

and said, "You're BLEEP dead, you're dead, you're dead," those

:49:56.:50:04.

were his exact words. There was like six or seven police

:50:05.:50:06.

cars there within a minute and, yeah, he got charged with threats

:50:07.:50:20.

to kill against me. Aki was sentenced to two and a half

:50:21.:50:23.

years, but there was no When he got out, an extraordinary

:50:24.:50:26.

sexual offences order was made banning him from touching,

:50:27.:50:30.

feeling or measuring muscles. Loitering near schools,

:50:31.:50:32.

gyms or sports clubs, going into Widnes,

:50:33.:50:34.

Warrington or St Helens. What's it like being someone

:50:35.:50:40.

who sent down Purple Aki? To be honest, when I'd done it

:50:41.:50:55.

I was like, "Why the hell have I just done this,

:50:56.:51:01.

it is going to make my life hell," and I ended up moving down here,

:51:02.:51:04.

it changed my life completely. Just to be on the safe side,

:51:05.:51:07.

and that's 16 years later, you know? I tracked him down to an address

:51:08.:51:12.

in Liverpool and got a number So I got a letter

:51:13.:51:15.

back from Aki saying, "Could you please stop

:51:16.:51:22.

calling round to my home? You have my solicitor's

:51:23.:51:25.

name and number." It's odd to have heard back

:51:26.:51:28.

from a man who at the start I wasn't even really sure existed, and now

:51:29.:51:33.

I have something physical and real. This is a man who is known

:51:34.:51:38.

for harassing people and he sent us a letter saying to basically

:51:39.:51:41.

stop harassing him. A few months ago, Aki

:51:42.:51:43.

got the sexual offences The judge agreed muscle-touching

:51:44.:51:56.

wasn't a sex crime. He may no longer inspire fear,

:51:57.:52:03.

but he still haunts people. I didn't tell anyone I was pregnant

:52:04.:52:14.

until after Gary's funeral, The timing didn't seem

:52:15.:52:19.

right to tell people This is Jamielee.

:52:20.:52:26.

This is my daughter. For a lot of people it's a joke,

:52:27.:52:41.

he is a bogeyman, my boyfriend says people walk through town

:52:42.:52:46.

and if they see him they will take A lot of people aren't aware

:52:47.:52:49.

of what happened to my dad. It's a sickening dip in my stomach

:52:50.:52:53.

because that actually happens Do you think people

:52:54.:52:56.

know who he really is? Even from someone whose

:52:57.:52:59.

life he has affected, Wow.

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The Labour Party is caught up in a new row after Jeremy Corbyn's team

:53:29.:53:32.

issued a document naming MPs it claims have abused him and his

:53:33.:53:36.

allies since he became leader of the Labour Party. Mr Corbyn has defended

:53:37.:53:40.

the list, saying statement anybody made were made on the record,

:53:41.:53:44.

although his team had said the document was a draft which was sent

:53:45.:53:49.

out accidentally. Neil Coyle is the MP for Bermondsey and is among those

:53:50.:53:55.

criticised. Let's speak to him now. What do you think? From what you

:53:56.:54:00.

have just been saying, once again we see chaos and incompetence in the

:54:01.:54:04.

heart of the leaders of this. Jeremy clearly knew about this list, he and

:54:05.:54:08.

John McDonnell must have authorised it, and it is designed again to

:54:09.:54:15.

encourage abuse and attempt at intimidation of MPs. We are so close

:54:16.:54:18.

to the end of this leadership contest, people have the chance to

:54:19.:54:30.

end this permissive culture of abuse that Jeremy has helped create if

:54:31.:54:33.

they choose over in, and we can move on from this. I don't know what I am

:54:34.:54:36.

alleged to have done and yet my name has been thrown out and I have

:54:37.:54:39.

received a torrent of abuse overnight as a result. Have you said

:54:40.:54:41.

Audrey did something credible since last September? I nominated Jeremy

:54:42.:54:44.

last year, we have not had a debate, there has been no policy development

:54:45.:54:48.

led by Jeremy as leader of the party. My criticism has been around,

:54:49.:54:52.

what is it boaters need to see is focused on? What should Labour money

:54:53.:54:56.

be focused on? I have been campaigning to save a post office in

:54:57.:55:00.

my constituency this morning, voters need to see others on issues they

:55:01.:55:02.

care about every day. I read an article

:55:03.:55:21.

after the local elections in May with Jo Cox talking about what we

:55:22.:55:24.

wanted to see from the Labour Party and how to improve our electoral

:55:25.:55:27.

prospects. I suspect that might be it. I genuinely don't know what the

:55:28.:55:29.

accusation is, but I have never engaged in personal abuse. Before I

:55:30.:55:32.

was elected last year I worked for charities that tackled abuse of

:55:33.:55:34.

disabled people and I helped tackle gender discrimination in the

:55:35.:55:36.

workplace so I think my track record speaks for itself. What do you want

:55:37.:55:40.

now? I have let the Chief Whip, the party general secretary know I am

:55:41.:55:44.

upset, I let the leader know I am upset and wanted to know what I have

:55:45.:55:48.

been accused of. I asked if I could receive a written apology from the

:55:49.:55:55.

leader, this petty student politics, at least if it is retracted it will

:55:56.:55:59.

help, but I will be talking to a lawyer tomorrow, because this is

:56:00.:56:04.

defamation. I have been accused of abuse, that is completely

:56:05.:56:08.

unacceptable and so unprofessional. So you are considering suing your

:56:09.:56:12.

leader? Yes, and it would be the leader, not the party, because this

:56:13.:56:16.

has been issued by someone in his campaign team, so it is not the

:56:17.:56:20.

Labour Party. Suing him for defamation? Wow. It is the sorry

:56:21.:56:27.

state Jeremy has taken the party into, 30 to 35% of members have not

:56:28.:56:31.

voted yet because they are so disillusioned with what Jeremy has

:56:32.:56:35.

done to the party. They have the chance before polling closes to make

:56:36.:56:40.

sure we end this permissive culture, and in some ways, I have not

:56:41.:56:45.

experienced the worst abuse that MPs get, women MPs get far more abuse

:56:46.:56:50.

and Jeremy has failed to tackle it. We saw it after the launch of the

:56:51.:56:57.

anti-Semitism report. I have spoken to Mr Corbyn myself, and I, if I had

:56:58.:57:04.

more than two hands, I can count how many times Mr Corbyn has said, I do

:57:05.:57:08.

not engage in abuse, I do not condone abuse, this must stop. When

:57:09.:57:14.

he had the chance to speak in defence of a Jewish female MP who

:57:15.:57:19.

was being abused, he failed to do it, and it is that lack of

:57:20.:57:23.

leadership, that lack of control of the kind of support he has and the

:57:24.:57:28.

people he has incited to commit abuse that is part of the problem.

:57:29.:57:33.

How has he incited people to commit abuse? In failing to support her at

:57:34.:57:38.

that event, he encouraged it, in failing to ensure the momentum is

:57:39.:57:41.

controlled better and did not have this abuse and intimidation, look at

:57:42.:57:46.

this letter, this list, it is designed solely to cause more

:57:47.:57:52.

trolling and abuse and intimidation of the MPs listed. Go on the Twitter

:57:53.:57:57.

feeds of any of the MPs on the list and you will see the kind of abuse

:57:58.:58:00.

we have had to put up with as a direct result of being accused of

:58:01.:58:05.

abuse without any evidence of a substance, without any

:58:06.:58:07.

correspondence from the leader's office to me or my team. Without

:58:08.:58:13.

using words that could not be used on morning television, what sort of

:58:14.:58:17.

abuse have you had? I'm afraid I cannot repeat much of what I have

:58:18.:58:21.

received! Give us the sentiment behind the rude words? Probably the

:58:22.:58:26.

most polite is around being a traitor, but some of it is

:58:27.:58:31.

anti-mainstream media, saying I should not be talking to the BBC or

:58:32.:58:37.

sky about this. It is petty, nasty, most of it is a swear word and

:58:38.:58:42.

things so I will not repeated. Last time I saw myself on Twitter I was

:58:43.:58:45.

told off by my local members and I will not make that mistake again.

:58:46.:58:50.

Thank you for talking to us, Neil Coyle, Labour MP, considering suing

:58:51.:58:53.

the Labour leader. Your views are welcome, get touch.

:58:54.:58:56.

Coming up: New rules for courts in England and Wales could spare

:58:57.:58:59.

vulnerable witnesses from giving evidence live.

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Let's get the latest weather update with Carole.

:59:02.:59:10.

For some of us it has been a beautiful morning, for others it has

:59:11.:59:17.

been pretty foggy, as you can see from our weather Watchers picture,

:59:18.:59:21.

taken in Birmingham earlier. We have had quite a bit of fog and low cloud

:59:22.:59:26.

shrouding the east of the country into the Midlands, it is starting to

:59:27.:59:30.

melt away but it will be a slow process and on the east coast it

:59:31.:59:34.

will not appear at all. But there will be a lot of sunshine, showers

:59:35.:59:38.

in Northern Ireland and western Scotland, through the afternoon as

:59:39.:59:41.

temperatures rise we could see torrential downpours across central

:59:42.:59:45.

southern England. Temperatures up to 30, 31 in the south-east, the warmth

:59:46.:59:50.

spreading northwards across much of the UK today. Through the evening

:59:51.:59:52.

and overnight, we still have the showers, a weather front

:59:53.:00:16.

coming from the West pushes steadily eastwards, engages with the showers

:00:17.:00:18.

which reinvigorate them further so there is more energy in them. Again,

:00:19.:00:21.

torrential downpours, the risk of flash flooding. For most of us it

:00:22.:00:23.

will still be fairly muddy. Tomorrow morning, thundery downpours continue

:00:24.:00:26.

to edge eastwards, the risk of flash flooding from those. Behind it,

:00:27.:00:28.

whether coming from the Atlantic, fresher conditions, sunshine and

:00:29.:00:30.

showers, the rain slowed to clear in the far south-east, but what a

:00:31.:00:33.

change in temperatures, from 30 in London today to 20 tomorrow.

:00:34.:00:38.

Hello, I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme

:00:39.:00:40.

Theresa May gives the go-ahead for Britain's first new nuclear

:00:41.:00:45.

Hinkley Point C in Somerset will become the biggest

:00:46.:00:49.

building site in Europe - but critics are warning

:00:50.:00:51.

Using your mobile when you're driving - it's against the law

:00:52.:00:55.

but one in three of us admits doing it, according to new research.

:00:56.:00:58.

Campaigners say the punishment if you're caught isn't tough enough.

:00:59.:01:00.

We'll speak to a mum whose 13 year old daughter was killed by a lorry

:01:01.:01:04.

Alleged rape victims and other vulnerable witnesses will soon

:01:05.:01:08.

be spared the ordeal of appearing in court.

:01:09.:01:10.

Instead, they'll be allowed to record their evidence.

:01:11.:01:12.

Good Morning, here's Annita McVeigh in the BBC Newsroom

:01:13.:01:16.

The government has confirmed that it's approving the controversial

:01:17.:01:22.

Hinkley Point nuclear power station in Somerset.

:01:23.:01:28.

Ministers have approved the deal for a new ?18 billion nuclear

:01:29.:01:30.

power station in the UK but with new conditions attached.

:01:31.:01:33.

The plant is being financed by the French and the Chinese

:01:34.:01:35.

and the Prime Minister had postponed its approval

:01:36.:01:37.

Greg Clark told the BBC about this. There are very, very important

:01:38.:01:54.

relationships here. It's important that when we are considering, as we

:01:55.:02:01.

are, a major upgrade of our infrastructure, especially in

:02:02.:02:05.

energy, that we have in place a regime that, for all investors, for

:02:06.:02:10.

all countries, allows the Government the kind of powers and scrutiny that

:02:11.:02:16.

other countries have. Meanwhile, Simon Jack said it would be crucial

:02:17.:02:19.

to see how the Chinese react to the new conditions.

:02:20.:02:23.

What they want is one of their reactors here with British approval

:02:24.:02:26.

which they can go and then sell around the world. I think it's going

:02:27.:02:30.

to be very interesting to see the Chinese' reaction to this. They say

:02:31.:02:34.

it's about foreign Government concerns, it's aimed directly at

:02:35.:02:37.

China. They don't want to say, we don't trust you, but their reaction

:02:38.:02:40.

I think to this is key, if they think that they are being told, you

:02:41.:02:44.

haven't got a guarantee about Bradwell, they could still

:02:45.:02:48.

reconsider, so we have to be a bit careful about saying it will

:02:49.:02:49.

definitely get built. Leading health experts have warned

:02:50.:02:52.

that the social care system is failing to meet the needs

:02:53.:02:56.

of the elderly - as financial pressures force councils to restrict

:02:57.:02:59.

the number of people they can help.In a new report, the Kings Fund

:03:00.:03:01.

and the Nuffield Trust say that the local authority support

:03:02.:03:04.

older people received, was based on where they lived,

:03:05.:03:07.

rather than their need. The BBC will have to reveal

:03:08.:03:10.

the salary details of all employees and presenters paid more

:03:11.:03:13.

than ?150,000 a year, The proposal is part of the draft

:03:14.:03:16.

for a new BBC charter which will be The BBC had argued against

:03:17.:03:22.

the change, saying it would make it The World Anti-Doping Agency has

:03:23.:03:26.

confirmed that the confidential medical records of five British

:03:27.:03:31.

athletes including Chris Froome and Bradley Wiggins have been leaked

:03:32.:03:34.

by Russian computer hackers. WADA said those behind the attack

:03:35.:03:38.

were "criminals" trying to smear the athletes' reputations in revenge

:03:39.:03:41.

for the exposure of Russian There's no suggestion of wrong doing

:03:42.:03:45.

by the British athletes. Chris Froome's just issued

:03:46.:03:51.

a statement; he says he's already discussed his asthma medication

:03:52.:03:54.

with the media and the leaks simply British tourists have been caught up

:03:55.:04:08.

in an explosion off the Indonesian island of Bali. A German woman was

:04:09.:04:13.

killed and 20 people injured when the boat blew up near a port at the

:04:14.:04:18.

east of the island. Reports suggest a faulty battery may be to blame.

:04:19.:04:22.

The Foreign Office is helping UK holiday-makers.

:04:23.:04:24.

is set to return to the campaign trail today days after being

:04:25.:04:27.

The Democrats' candidate for the US presidency, Hillary Clinton,

:04:28.:04:29.

is set to return to the campaign trail today days after being

:04:30.:04:32.

diagnosed with pneumonia.Last night, her doctor said the politician

:04:33.:04:35.

was recovering well and was "fit to serve as President

:04:36.:04:37.

At the weekend Mrs Clinton appeared to stumble while leaving an event.

:04:38.:04:42.

Her Republican rival Donald Trump has told a TV show he is healthy

:04:43.:04:45.

despite his age and being clinically overweight.

:04:46.:04:50.

I'm just about the same age as Ronald Reagan and Hillary is a year

:04:51.:04:58.

behind me. I would say based on my life, I actually, I don't know if

:04:59.:05:01.

this makes sense, I feel as good today as I did when I was 30.

:05:02.:05:07.

South east China's been hit by what's said to be the country's

:05:08.:05:10.

strongest typhoon in 70 years and it's sent a giant

:05:11.:05:13.

inflatable moon careering through the city of Fuzhou.

:05:14.:05:17.

Strong winds from Typhoon Meranti took the massive globe

:05:18.:05:20.

off its moorings and it bowled over everything in its path.

:05:21.:05:29.

It was installed for a festival which prominently features the moon.

:05:30.:05:35.

Perhaps a bit too prominently this year!

:05:36.:05:37.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10.30.

:05:38.:05:51.

A couple of comments about Neil Coyle beings on the list of those

:05:52.:06:09.

accusing MPs of -- Jeremy Corbyn is no bully, you, however, Sir, Neil

:06:10.:06:14.

Coyle are full of bull, one viewer says. London Fashion Week starts

:06:15.:06:19.

tomorrow. Theresa May holding a reception tomorrow. A tweet saying,

:06:20.:06:24.

I've been in the sector, still trying it hard to get a proper foot

:06:25.:06:28.

in the fashion door. The fashion industry can charge thousands for a

:06:29.:06:32.

shoe and still employs a non-paid worker. Thank you for those. Still

:06:33.:06:41.

to come, the salaries of BBC employees paid more than ?150,000 to

:06:42.:06:47.

be published. We'll talk about that later, and people using their

:06:48.:06:49.

mobiles while driving. Paralympics GB are enjoying

:06:50.:06:53.

their best ever performance at a Parlaympics, surpassing

:06:54.:07:02.

the number of medals Yesterday there were gold medals

:07:03.:07:04.

for Dame Sarah Storey, Hannah Cockroft and Kadeena Cox

:07:05.:07:09.

as Para GB won 9 titles. My colleague Nick Hope has

:07:10.:07:12.

been finding out. It's a brilliant Paralympics so far,

:07:13.:07:27.

four Paralympics for GB. I'm joined by UK Sports director of performance

:07:28.:07:30.

Simon Timpson. What do you put it down to? It's a athletes'

:07:31.:07:36.

dedication, commitment and hard work that's enabled this wonderful

:07:37.:07:42.

performance in Rio. Everybody was disappointed 4-4 years ago in

:07:43.:07:48.

London. -- four years ago in London. We have Riz tonne the challenge of

:07:49.:07:55.

increasing standards. It's been the most competitive Olympics ever, yet

:07:56.:08:03.

Paralympics GB have had a fantastic time winning lots of medals. --

:08:04.:08:08.

risen to the challenge. We have had bespoke packages, we

:08:09.:08:13.

have had an economy going with the English Institute of Sport that's

:08:14.:08:19.

provided more streamlined swim caps for the swimmers, we have worked on

:08:20.:08:23.

Richard Whitehead's prosthetics helping him win gold, so lots of

:08:24.:08:27.

things that make a big difference here inry wrote. At the start of the

:08:28.:08:32.

Games, everyone was concerned with the worries about funding cuts, but

:08:33.:08:39.

it doesn't seem to have materialised like that and the Paralympics have

:08:40.:08:43.

excel?ed The Brazilians have done really well. We have had an electric

:08:44.:08:47.

atmosphere and we have seen golds in almost every Rennes Jew we visitd

:08:48.:08:55.

for Paralympics GB as well. -- almost every venue we visited for

:08:56.:09:00.

Paralympics GB as well. You can catch the action on the BBC Sport

:09:01.:09:03.

website and BBC Radio Five Live. Chris Froome says he has no issues

:09:04.:09:07.

with the latest leak of confidential medical information,

:09:08.:09:10.

which he says only confirms His statement comes after Russian

:09:11.:09:12.

hackers revealed more medical records of athletes,

:09:13.:09:16.

also including Sir Bradley Wiggins, gained from the World Anti Doping

:09:17.:09:19.

Agency The hacked information mostly gained from the World

:09:20.:09:24.

Anti Doping Agency. details "Therapeutic Use Exemptions"

:09:25.:09:26.

allowing banned substances to be taken for athletes'

:09:27.:09:30.

verified medical needs. Froome says he's openly

:09:31.:09:32.

discussed his use of TUEs, saying in 9 years as a professional

:09:33.:09:34.

he's required them twice, There is no suggestion that any

:09:35.:09:40.

of the athletes are involved Leicester celebrated

:09:41.:09:47.

an historic first win in the Champions League,

:09:48.:09:51.

against Belgium side Brugge. It didn't take them long

:09:52.:09:53.

to get the ball rolling, Mark Albrighton scored their first

:09:54.:09:56.

shot, after 5 minutes. Riyad Mahrez curled

:09:57.:09:58.

in a beauty before the break. And then added another

:09:59.:10:02.

from the penalty spot Manchester City beat

:10:03.:10:06.

Borussia Munchengladback So - after pressing the pause button

:10:07.:10:13.

on Hinkley Point soon after taking office -

:10:14.:10:19.

Theresa May has now decided to go ahead with the project to build

:10:20.:10:22.

Britain's first new nuclear power But ministers say they have won

:10:23.:10:24.

a new agreement with EDF - the French company building

:10:25.:10:29.

the plant and have extracted what they are calling

:10:30.:10:31.

"significant new safeguards". And the latest word from China -

:10:32.:10:34.

which is helping to finance the deal - is that it is willing to accept

:10:35.:10:37.

the government's new conditions. Well, let's get more on this from

:10:38.:10:43.

our Political Guru Norman Smith. After the pause, she's now going

:10:44.:10:56.

ahead with it, why? The stakes are too high. If Theresa May would have

:10:57.:11:00.

said no, it would have been a body blow to relations with the Chinese

:11:01.:11:04.

who're investing millions in Britain. There was also the concern,

:11:05.:11:10.

particularly pro-Brexit that if Mrs Neigh pulled the blueing, what

:11:11.:11:13.

message would that send out about the willingness to be open to

:11:14.:11:18.

business -- Mrs May. Question marks about the economic implications,

:11:19.:11:21.

huge project like this big boost not just for the economy but the economy

:11:22.:11:26.

nationally, did we really want to wave goodbye to 25,000 jobs, what

:11:27.:11:32.

would it have meant for other big infrastructure projects. We have

:11:33.:11:37.

projects on HSII, Heathrow, and lastly, there is the energy

:11:38.:11:40.

question, we have got to to something because we are running out

:11:41.:11:45.

of juice, and the fact is, we have closed the coal mines, and we are

:11:46.:11:50.

running out of North Sea oil. Government not so sure that with

:11:51.:11:54.

wind and wave you can really do the deal.

:11:55.:11:59.

Middle East or Russia for our energy supplies - faced with all that, I

:12:00.:12:04.

think Theresa May took one long, hard look and decided, no option but

:12:05.:12:08.

to give the go-ahead to Hinkley. What are the new conditions then?

:12:09.:12:13.

Here is the rub. Number Ten are beefing if up as Theresa May really

:12:14.:12:18.

getting to grips with the issue. She was surprised that David Cameron

:12:19.:12:21.

hadn't got in place a security regime so that we could cast an eye

:12:22.:12:25.

over who was looking to build nuclear power stations. In other

:12:26.:12:29.

words, a sort of thank God Theresa May's got a grip of this issue. The

:12:30.:12:33.

question is, is it all window dressing? All this security talk, is

:12:34.:12:37.

it a load of fluff that doesn't amount to much. What it seems to be

:12:38.:12:46.

is that the Government can in future say to countries that build nuclear

:12:47.:12:50.

power stations in this country that if they sell part of the power

:12:51.:12:54.

station to someone we don't like, we can say, no, that deal can't go

:12:55.:13:01.

ahead. But is that really a whole raft of new security arrangements?

:13:02.:13:04.

That's where a lot of the politics of this is going to be. Theresa May

:13:05.:13:08.

marched this up to the top of the hill over the security issue and the

:13:09.:13:12.

question now will be, has she actually got a new tough package or

:13:13.:13:17.

is it really the same old deal negotiated by David Cameron? Thank

:13:18.:13:19.

you very much. The Hinkley Point project is being

:13:20.:13:21.

financed by France and China. Let's speak to our BBC China

:13:22.:13:23.

expert Micky Bristow. Are China going to accept this? Yes,

:13:24.:13:33.

as we indicated when we introduced this report, there's already been a

:13:34.:13:38.

reaction from China. The UK company in China's helping build this

:13:39.:13:41.

nuclear power station in Britain and it welcomes the decision, a very

:13:42.:13:45.

swift response. It's been reported on China's official media already as

:13:46.:13:48.

well, I just had a look before I came down to the studio. I wouldn't

:13:49.:13:53.

be surprised if before too long the Chinese Foreign Ministry is

:13:54.:13:57.

welcoming this decision as well. So they are quite pleased because once,

:13:58.:14:01.

when the Prime Minister suggested that she was going to look again at

:14:02.:14:05.

this project, China was angry about it and started to put pressure on.

:14:06.:14:10.

The ambassador to Britain spoke out about how this could affect this

:14:11.:14:14.

Golden relationship that David Cameron and George Osborne worked so

:14:15.:14:19.

hard to establish with China and they were suggesting, if you don't

:14:20.:14:24.

go ahead with this, what about all the other projects that might come

:14:25.:14:28.

online. So they'll be happy about this decision. What is in it for

:14:29.:14:35.

China? Well, China's on a major nuclear power station building

:14:36.:14:38.

scheme, building mostly of course in its own country, but this is an

:14:39.:14:43.

attempt at a chance to showcase what they can do on the international

:14:44.:14:49.

scene. Also China, the economy there is slowing down slightly, so the

:14:50.:14:53.

Government there wants to push its companies out into the wider world

:14:54.:14:56.

to invest across the world to do business more with the rest of the

:14:57.:15:01.

world. For the British Prime Minister to stop this project before

:15:02.:15:07.

it actually got under way would. A good advertisement for Chinese

:15:08.:15:10.

business so that's essentially what they are getting out of it.

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Let's speak to Chris Huhne, the former Lib Dem Energy Secretary.

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He was in that role between 2010 and 2012. Good morning, what do you make

:15:21.:15:27.

of the deal now that it's going ahead?

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This Is A Necessary Deal, Not By Any Means The Best We Could Have Struck,

:15:32.:15:43.

But Necessary Because We Need secure long-term low carbon electricity to

:15:44.:15:46.

make sure the lights stay on in the dark evenings in January and

:15:47.:15:49.

February when we don't have any sunshine and there may not be wind.

:15:50.:15:53.

It is not the greatest deal because our negotiators had to negotiate

:15:54.:15:57.

with one hand tied behind their back. George Osborne in particular

:15:58.:16:05.

was so keen, publicly so keen on nuclear that every time he made a

:16:06.:16:08.

positive statement to the EDF price went up, so the reality is if you

:16:09.:16:13.

want to do a good commercial deal your counterpart has to know that

:16:14.:16:16.

you are able and prepared to walk away from the table, and if you are

:16:17.:16:22.

not you will overpay. So it is not the best deal but it is a necessary

:16:23.:16:26.

one to keep the lights on and ensure we have stable, secure low carbon

:16:27.:16:31.

electricity for the future. The thing most people will be interested

:16:32.:16:34.

in this morning is how it will affect our bills, and it will mean

:16:35.:16:39.

that bills will be higher? We don't know whether it will mean that bills

:16:40.:16:43.

will be higher because obviously the Government doesn't pay anything

:16:44.:16:47.

until the plant is actually built. All the risk is taken by EDF, by the

:16:48.:16:57.

French mega electricity company, they take the construction risk

:16:58.:17:03.

along with their Chinese coinvestors and the British consumer does not

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pay a penny until the plant is up and running, and nobody really knows

:17:08.:17:12.

what prices are going to be then but we do know that we are going to have

:17:13.:17:16.

to have low carbon electricity, and if you were going to run cold plants

:17:17.:17:22.

or gas plants, this looks like a good deal. There ought to be a tax

:17:23.:17:27.

on the polluting sources of electricity. If that was at the

:17:28.:17:31.

right level to reflect the damage which we know they are causing, then

:17:32.:17:35.

this would be a good deal for the consumer, and I think that is the

:17:36.:17:38.

key thing we have to bear in mind for the future, this is secure low

:17:39.:17:43.

carbon electricity for many generations to come. Thank you for

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your time, Chris Huhne, former energy secretary.

:17:48.:17:50.

It's estimated that doctors in this country see six cases of female

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genital mutilation every week and yet, in the 30 years that FGM has

:17:55.:17:57.

been a crime, it has never been successfully prosecuted.

:17:58.:18:03.

In a report published today, MPs on the Home Affairs Select Committee

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say that is a 'national scandal' and 'beyond belief'.

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It's also calling on frontline professionals to face stronger

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sanctions if they fail to report cases of FGM to the police.

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The practice involves cutting off the female genitalia,

:18:22.:18:23.

either partially or totally, and is sometimes also

:18:24.:18:25.

We can talk to the Labour MP Naz Shah, who is from

:18:26.:18:33.

the Home Affairs Select Committee, and helped with this report.

:18:34.:18:36.

Also here to talk about this is Lisa Zimmerman, a secondary

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school teacher and founder of the charity Integrate Bristol

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Bethel Tadesse isthe first person in her family not to have faced FGM

:18:44.:18:50.

Also with us, Commander Mak Chisty, the lead police office for FGM.

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Why haven't we seen a single successful prosecution yet? Because

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the way the law is set up, it is not set up to be... We have had one test

:19:08.:19:13.

case in the last 30 years. The report is damning in terms of not

:19:14.:19:18.

having any convictions. We have got 5000 people, we have not been

:19:19.:19:22.

recording the crimes centrally, there is not enough effort going

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into this, the Government has failed on this not just from a legal

:19:26.:19:28.

perspective but in terms of reaching out to communities and changing the

:19:29.:19:34.

perception of FGM, making sure people understand it is wrong, it is

:19:35.:19:39.

child abuse, it is illegal, mutilation is not acceptable. There

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are lots of reasons we have not had these convictions. Do you know how

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many unsuccessful prosecutions there are? I know of one bored by the CPS,

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that was a Dr Who had dealt with a lady who had given birth, so it was

:19:55.:19:59.

not a classic case of FGM in terms of a child being taken abroad and

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the parent or family being held to account, which is what we should be

:20:03.:20:06.

doing, holding communities and parents to account for this barbaric

:20:07.:20:15.

act, but that is not happening and that one prosecution was an absolute

:20:16.:20:21.

shambles at the time. From a police officer's point of view, why not won

:20:22.:20:26.

a successful prosecution? Success is not just about prosecution or

:20:27.:20:29.

conviction, a lot is about intervention and safeguarding so I

:20:30.:20:34.

don't want to miss that. There are some harriers to taking these type

:20:35.:20:39.

of instances, there is the reluctance for people to come

:20:40.:20:43.

forward, the closeness of a family unit, it is difficult to break out

:20:44.:20:47.

of that cultural sense. And also parents sometimes take their

:20:48.:20:50.

daughters abroad to places like Somalia or Ethiopia for this to

:20:51.:20:54.

happen, would you be able to prosecute if it happened in another

:20:55.:20:59.

country? The law does allow others to do that and we have done an

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operation across 11 airports across the UK this summer where we have

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engaged with 5000 people, referred 33 people to safeguarding

:21:17.:21:18.

arrangements and arrested two people, taken one child into care,

:21:19.:21:21.

so we are doing this to make sure we are hitting the right areas. I want

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to ask you, Bethel, if I may, about your family and your experience.

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Could you explain to our audience why you are the first person in your

:21:30.:21:34.

family not to undergo FGM? My mother decided not to perform FGM on me

:21:35.:21:38.

because she was educated and taught that it was the wrong thing to do,

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that is where it stopped in my family, I was the first person to

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not have FGM and my sister didn't either. Your mum did? Yes, she has.

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Was that done by her mum? By a family member, yes. I feel education

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is the only way to emphasise the fact that it is the only way to end

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FGM happening. Your experience from Integrate Bristol, who are you

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talking to? I don't do much of the talking myself because we have

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around 100 young people, the older ones are very well trained and go

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into schools, they do peer education and training teachers and police, so

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most of the work is done by the young people. I started off

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delivering with them and now they are much better than me, Bethel is

:22:30.:22:36.

one of them. Naz Shah, you acknowledge it is complicated,

:22:37.:22:38.

somebody is potentially not going to want to go to police to report their

:22:39.:22:44.

mother, father or another family member, are they? Absolutely, it has

:22:45.:22:48.

similarities to forced marriage, which is why the report has

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recommended that we need a centralised unit where health and

:22:55.:22:57.

education and the Government come together, so we are working across

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the board, across authorities, raising awareness and supporting

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young people and families, making sure we are working to eradicate

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this practice, absolutely. Can I ask you about one of the recommendations

:23:12.:23:16.

the report makes, tougher sanctions for front-line professionals who

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don't report cases. What sort of professionals are you talking about

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and what kind of sanctions? Give us an example of the scenario a

:23:25.:23:27.

professional might find themselves in where they have a duty to report

:23:28.:23:32.

FGM to the police? Let's look at FGM is child abuse. We need to accept

:23:33.:23:38.

that FGM is child abuse and at the moment we have safeguarding measures

:23:39.:23:41.

for any front-line staff under child protection that you have to report

:23:42.:23:45.

that. What we are finding is that when it comes to FGM we are not

:23:46.:23:51.

convinced that we were using that same safeguarding threshold, that

:23:52.:23:57.

same yardstick, when it comes to child abuse. People do not

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understand FGM is child abuse and we have to have that shift in culture

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and people need to accept that this is what FGM is, it is about raising

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awareness and having the confidence to say, this is what I understand it

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to be, this is child abuse, it needs to be reported as it is, which is a

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safeguarding issue under child protection and that is when we will

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see a shift in patterns and prosecutions, when we go down that

:24:22.:24:32.

route. If an individual front-line professional, and nurse, GP,

:24:33.:24:34.

teacher, whoever it may be, understand it is child abuse and

:24:35.:24:36.

does not reported, what should happen to them? Exactly what happens

:24:37.:24:40.

when we have a usual case of child abuse, if you are not doing your

:24:41.:24:44.

duty then you do not have a right to be in that job because safeguarding

:24:45.:24:47.

children is absolutely paramount, it is incumbent upon us as

:24:48.:24:51.

professionals regardless of our profession, if we see any child

:24:52.:24:55.

abuse we reported and FGM is no different. It has to happen, if not,

:24:56.:25:00.

you are not fit to practice your profession. If you are knowingly not

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reporting it, absolutely. So somebody should lose their job, what

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do you think about that? The system relies upon everyone working

:25:12.:25:15.

together... What do you think about front-line professionals who

:25:16.:25:19.

understand this is child abuse, and perhaps not everybody does

:25:20.:25:22.

understand that yet, and don't go on to reported? It is a neglect of duty

:25:23.:25:26.

and they should be held to account, and if it means losing their job

:25:27.:25:30.

then so be it in line with their disciplinary code. Do agree? Yes,

:25:31.:25:36.

but when it comes to professionals who don't know what is going on,

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education is the most important thing, so they will know exactly

:25:40.:25:43.

what to do. But if they are neglecting their duties then, like

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Mak said, if it will take losing their job, it is child abuse. There

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are some people who understand a bit thick, I can't get involved in this,

:25:54.:25:57.

it may be FGM but for cultural reasons this girl may have undergone

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this and I don't see it as child abuse. In a school, teachers?

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Professionals. It is unlikely. A lot of teachers will not have had

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adequate training and that responsibility is first for the

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Government to make it statutory so that all children, not just girls

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but boys as well, are given a safe space to discuss this and other

:26:23.:26:27.

difficult issues. It is about breaking down barriers but I would

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rather see the emphasis on protection, on ending the practice,

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than on prosecution. In Bristol we have an amazing, everybody works

:26:36.:26:43.

together, so we have health, the police, education, lots of

:26:44.:26:47.

organisations working together, we share information, there are lots of

:26:48.:26:53.

schools in Bristol that have had FGM education embedded across the

:26:54.:26:56.

schools and that can be replicated but it would be faster and more

:26:57.:26:59.

efficient if the Government passed legislation on it, and we are

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hopeful now that Justine is the Secretary of State for Education

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that it might happen. Just Dean Greening. Have you spoken about this

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in schools? Yes, with Integrate Bristol. What response do you get

:27:13.:27:19.

from pupils? Shock is the main thing when they find out what it is. After

:27:20.:27:23.

that, interested in how to prevent it and how to know when to report

:27:24.:27:30.

and things like that. I think young people and children have less

:27:31.:27:34.

difficulty with the issue than a lot of adults, particularly adults like

:27:35.:27:39.

us. They don't have a problem with these difficult issues, I haven't

:27:40.:27:44.

ever come across somebody making an inappropriate comment or being

:27:45.:27:47.

unkind. I have been in situations where we get disclosures in front of

:27:48.:27:51.

other children and they have always been considerate about it. It is

:27:52.:27:56.

important to make sure all staff, teachers, front-line professionals

:27:57.:28:00.

know what to do with a disclosure. What do you do if a child says, this

:28:01.:28:04.

is about to happen to me or has happened to me? You followed the

:28:05.:28:14.

safeguarding procedures in your school, reported as soon as you can

:28:15.:28:17.

to be safeguarding the need and you have to be absolutely sure it will

:28:18.:28:19.

be dealt with appropriately, so you follow up. What should change as a

:28:20.:28:22.

result of the report? One of the things is that we need to start

:28:23.:28:25.

looking, one of the important things is when people think it is a

:28:26.:28:29.

cultural issue, it isn't. Mutilation of a child, yet it is a cultural

:28:30.:28:33.

practice but it is child abuse, and until we get that under

:28:34.:28:37.

safeguarding, that every child has a right to live free of fear and a

:28:38.:28:41.

right not to be abused, if we take that approach then culture does not

:28:42.:28:50.

come into it, we do not have to think about cultural practices, we

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will deal with children as equals and that is how we should do it. I

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really want to see this unit, I have not been able to contribute to the

:28:57.:28:59.

report, my colleagues did more work on it but I know that we really need

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to have this single unit which brings everybody together and focus

:29:07.:29:09.

on education and raising awareness and making sure that this stops. As

:29:10.:29:14.

a police officer would that unit, similar to the forced marriages

:29:15.:29:19.

unit, would that specific unit help you? It would help in terms of

:29:20.:29:23.

bringing the information together so that we had a better profile in

:29:24.:29:28.

terms of prevalence across the country, but also in terms of

:29:29.:29:31.

spreading good practice like what is going on in Bristol, spreading out

:29:32.:29:35.

across the country as well. I do agree that education has to be one

:29:36.:29:39.

of the main thrusts to eradicate this. Thank you very much, all of

:29:40.:29:43.

you, for coming on. Still to come: Using your mobile

:29:44.:29:55.

while driving. More than us than ever are doing it. We'll spoke to a

:29:56.:30:02.

mum whouz 13-year-old daughter was killed by a texting driver.

:30:03.:30:06.

And protecting vulnerable witnesses, more on that.

:30:07.:30:16.

The French firm EDF says it's delighted the Chinese have welcomed

:30:17.:30:21.

the Government's decision to push ahead with the Hinkley point nuclear

:30:22.:30:24.

power station. The Energy Secretary Greg Clark confirmed this morning

:30:25.:30:28.

the deal was approved, but he said its conditions were being revised to

:30:29.:30:32.

enhance security and give the Government more power in future

:30:33.:30:36.

negotiations. The plant in Somerset will cost around ?18 billion to

:30:37.:30:40.

build. Let's go live to Hinkley point and speak to our correspondent

:30:41.:30:44.

there, Dave Harvey, good morning. What reaction are you picking up?

:30:45.:30:50.

Good morning. There is a very good reason why they build new nuclear

:30:51.:30:55.

power stations next to old ones. Here on the west Somerset coast they

:30:56.:31:00.

have had nuclear power since the '60s, the blue buildings being

:31:01.:31:03.

decommissioned. This will be the site of what will be Europe's

:31:04.:31:08.

largest building site, some ?18 billion providing around 7% of the

:31:09.:31:12.

UK's total electricity. They are building a huge plant over there

:31:13.:31:17.

just to mix the concrete is a massive undertaking. Up to 5,000

:31:18.:31:22.

jobs here at peak. They are familiar with the controversies over nuclear

:31:23.:31:25.

power that have been going on for decades. This plant's been more

:31:26.:31:31.

controversial than most, not just over the subsidies, guaranteed

:31:32.:31:33.

prices for the electricity that will come out on here which on today's

:31:34.:31:38.

money is about twice the going rate, although EDF and the Government say

:31:39.:31:42.

in 10-20 years, that will look like a good deal but concerns too over

:31:43.:31:50.

who will run it. It will be French and Chinese consortiums building a

:31:51.:31:54.

nuclear power station in Britain. Theresa May tells us she has no

:31:55.:31:57.

controls to ensure the British Government remains in control. I'll

:31:58.:32:01.

tell you what, this plant will remain controversial for a good

:32:02.:32:05.

while yet. Thank you very much. Elderly people

:32:06.:32:09.

are being failed by the social care system because of financial

:32:10.:32:12.

pressures on local councils according to health experts. A

:32:13.:32:16.

report by the King's Fund and Nuffield Trust says that the local

:32:17.:32:19.

authority support older people get is based on where they live, rather

:32:20.:32:23.

than their needs. A Labour MP whose name was on a list

:32:24.:32:28.

of those accused of abuse towards Jeremy Corbyn and his allies says

:32:29.:32:31.

he's considering taking legal action against the Labour Leader. Speaking

:32:32.:32:36.

on this programme, Neil Coyle says he does not know what he is supposed

:32:37.:32:39.

to have done and that Jeremy Corbyn must have known about the list

:32:40.:32:42.

before it was published. I'm upset, I let the leader know I was upset

:32:43.:32:47.

yesterday and wanted to know what I was accused of. I asked if I

:32:48.:32:53.

received a written apology, and this ridiculous petty student politics

:32:54.:32:56.

list is retracted that would help but I will still be talking to a

:32:57.:33:01.

lawyer tomorrow about this defamation. I've been, you know,

:33:02.:33:07.

accused of abuse, that is completely unacceptable and it's so

:33:08.:33:10.

unprofessional. So you are considering suing your leader? Yes,

:33:11.:33:13.

and it would be the leader, not the party because this has been issued

:33:14.:33:17.

by someone in his campaign team so it's not the Labour Party. Five

:33:18.:33:20.

police officers face possible dismissal over the way they dealt

:33:21.:33:24.

with the man who broke his neck during an incident outside a

:33:25.:33:28.

nightclub. Julian Cole, a sports science student suffered severe

:33:29.:33:32.

brain damage and was left paralysed after being arrested and restrained

:33:33.:33:38.

by police in Bedford. The IPCC has recommended disciplinary action

:33:39.:33:40.

against the five Bedfordshire police officers involved.

:33:41.:33:47.

That's the summary. Join me for BBC newsroom live at 11. A couple of

:33:48.:33:54.

comments from you about Neil Coyl, Peter says apart from the absurdity

:33:55.:33:59.

of what is constantly being invented as abuse, it seems that the Labour

:34:00.:34:04.

MPs need a dinner lady in the playground to separate them, bang

:34:05.:34:07.

their heads together and tell their mum! They want to run the country, I

:34:08.:34:13.

wouldn't give them an interview for a lollipop warden, they are

:34:14.:34:17.

pathetic. Lee says, they are acting like petty school children, get on

:34:18.:34:21.

with holding the Conservatives to account instead of in-fighting. Many

:34:22.:34:25.

comments about people who drive and use their mobiles. I'll read some in

:34:26.:34:28.

the next half hour when we are going to discuss that in more detail.

:34:29.:34:30.

Before that, the sport with Jess. With four days still to go, Great

:34:31.:34:41.

Britain are enjoying their best ever performance at a Paralympics. Hannah

:34:42.:34:46.

Cockroft won her second gold, one of nine activitieses for Paralympics

:34:47.:34:51.

GB. They have 95 medals overall, surpassing the London total. Chris

:34:52.:34:55.

Froome says he's no issues with the latest leak of confident fshl

:34:56.:34:58.

medical information, Russian hackers have revealed the medical files of a

:34:59.:35:03.

number of athletes, including Froome and Bradley Wiggins but Froome says

:35:04.:35:08.

he's already openly discussed banned substances he uses for verified

:35:09.:35:12.

medical reasons. What a start for Champions League life for Leicester.

:35:13.:35:19.

Mahrez scored twice as they beat Brugge 3-0 in Belgium in their first

:35:20.:35:24.

ever match in the competition. Manchester City beat Borussia

:35:25.:35:26.

Monchengladbach but Spurs lost to Monaco. The ECB has announced plans

:35:27.:35:33.

for a new Twenty20 competition to run alongside the Blast. It's hoped

:35:34.:35:36.

it will rival the Indian Premier League and Australia's Big Bash. It

:35:37.:35:41.

could start as early as 2018. That is all the sport, more on the

:35:42.:35:45.

BBC News Channel throughout the day. Thank you very much.

:35:46.:35:49.

The number of drivers who use their mobile

:35:50.:35:51.

phone behind the wheel is at "epidemic proportions".

:35:52.:35:54.

That's according to the RAC, whose latest research found one

:35:55.:35:56.

in three people admitted to using a phone while driving

:35:57.:35:59.

The problem is even bigger among younger people, with some videoing,

:36:00.:36:03.

tweeting and playing games at the same time as driving.

:36:04.:36:05.

If caught you can get 3 points on your licence and a ?100 fine.

:36:06.:36:08.

The Dept of Transport is consulting on whether to increase this to 4

:36:09.:36:12.

penalty points on your licence - or 6 if you're a lorry driver -

:36:13.:36:15.

Everyone knows it's dangerous so why are more and more people doing it?

:36:16.:36:22.

We can speak now to David Bisley from the RAC,

:36:23.:36:24.

Also with us is Mitchell Copus who is a young driver

:36:25.:36:29.

and Nazan Fennell who has campaigned on this issue since her 13 year

:36:30.:36:32.

old daughter Hope was killed by a lorry driver who was texting

:36:33.:36:35.

And in Nottinghamshire is Liese Bowers-Straw ,

:36:36.:36:40.

who was seriously injured in a motorway pile-up caused

:36:41.:36:42.

by a woman who was driving while on her phone.

:36:43.:36:45.

But before we talk to our guests, an American phone company has

:36:46.:36:48.

launched a hard-hitting campaign to raise awareness of the dangers

:36:49.:36:52.

The ads are shown in cinemas and on TV, and it has

:36:53.:36:58.

been shared over seven million times online.

:36:59.:37:01.

It lasts just over a minute. It's been shared over seven million times

:37:02.:37:10.

online. Here is an extract. If you have young people in the room, you

:37:11.:37:12.

may want to remove them. It will still be there

:37:13.:37:15.

when we get back. Everyone loves the picture

:37:16.:37:21.

I posted of you. VOICEOVER: AT remind you,

:37:22.:38:28.

it can wait. Very, very powerful. Phones were a

:38:29.:38:45.

factor in 492 accidents in Britain in 2014. Minimal penalty ?100, three

:38:46.:38:51.

points, a survey found one in three people have used a phone behind the

:38:52.:38:55.

wheel. It's illegal to use your phone while driving even at traffic

:38:56.:39:00.

lights. Texting whilst driving is worse than drinking, research has

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found. Let's talk to our guests, welcome all of you. David, people

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hate seeing others using a phone while driving but a lot of us do it

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ourselves don't we? Unfortunately, yes. Around a third admit to making

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or receiving calls in the last 12 months when you are on the move.

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Nearly 50% if you incollide stationary traffic. The same

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percentage two years ago was only 8%, that is I think partly due to

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the fact that more people are using their phones. It's also partly due

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to the fact that people actually find it socially acceptable to do so

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and they are prepared to admit to it. Are more people doing it or is

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it that more have the phones? A bit of both I think. What effect does

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the distraction of a phone have on somebody's driving ability? It's the

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ability to deal with the unexpected. When driving, you have no control

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over other people and, even just for a melt, you glance down to a phone

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or you're thinking about the content of the message, you are not

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focussing on the road. Wen when the unexpected thing happens, you can't

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react. Nazan, the lorry driver that hit

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your daughter was texting at the time. Tell our audience about it? It

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was on a Monday, just a normal day. Hope went to school in the morning

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and I went to work. After work, I came home and was preparing my

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children's dinner, as usual. Hope was a little bit late. I wasn't too

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worried, it was just half an hour, she was only just 13, she'd just got

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into make-up and, you know, just doing the shops on the high street

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and I wasn't worried. Then it got to almost an hour. Two police officers

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were there, they came to tell me about what's happened to her. They

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told me that Hope was riding her bicycle from school which was only

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two roads away from home. She was riding from school back home and at

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a crossing she saw traffic stationary, she attempted to cross

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in front of an 18 tonne lorry. Now, the lorry was stationary, she walked

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in front of it and the lorry driver also at that moment started going

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forward. He never saw Hope. His 18 tonne vehicle went over my tiny

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daughter, you know, and he was stopped by the people on the high

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street. This happened at rush hour so the high street was full of

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school children and commuters and other people, so despite the

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terrifying scene, people saw exactly what happened, she was struck down

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by the lorry, stuck under the vehicle for 20 minutes. Because of

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the size to have the vehicle he couldn't free her. In the meantime

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he was deleting the text messages? He was exchanging text messages with

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his girlfriend. There was about 16 messages in 20 minutes. It was a

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heated argument which means he was more involved, so he'd even less

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attention paying on the road. So, you know... It's unimaginable, what

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you have been through. She was under the wheels trapped, you know.

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Mitchell, you are a young man, clearly, are you tempted to use your

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phone at the wheel? From people's point of view that you have all the

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inNorwich Unions of social media, Facebook Instagram and I think that

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young people have that addiction where a notification goes off, a

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sound alert and the sound alone can drive your attention away from the

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road. People are four times more likely to use their phone than at

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any other age research shows. Something I thought of that could be

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a solution is that we have aeroplane modes which disable our phone, can

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we get something if we work together with mobile phone companies or the

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law, where our phone is paired to our car, can be disabled on a car

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mode which then could help drivers not be distracted by their phone and

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alerts. Let me bring in Lees. You were in an

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accident involve involved with 17 other vehicles, caused by a woman

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who was on her phone for a time, is that right? Yes, I was on the M1

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during rush hour and all I remember were headlights coming towards me

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that I couldn't work out. A lady was going southbound on the M1 while I

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was going forth bound, she was in the outside lane and whilst on her

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phone, she hit the rumble strip because she'd not been

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concentrating. She then veered over into a lorry, causing the lorry to

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jack life, right the way across the M1 in front of me, killing somebody

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instantly and doing serious damage to a lot of other people. What do

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you think about what she was doing and how it's impacted on you? The

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impact on me is colossal. I've gone from being a career woman, loving

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work, travelling all oaf the country to, as you can see, somebody who is

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a shadow of themselves. I've lost all of my identity. What I think

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she's doing is completely wrong and she actually sat at the scene of the

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accident deleting her call register and her text messages to deny all

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knowledge of doing it and I just think, I don't really have words for

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it, it's abomination I think. What do you think of the idea of

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having a car mode for the phone to stop us being tempted and

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distracted? I think it makes a lot of sense. The difficulty with

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relying on the Bluetooth connection is very often it is the people who

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don't have hands-free and Bluetooth that are the biggest problem. But

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there will be a technology solution, I'm sure, that will help us on this,

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we just haven't found it yet. I think that the technology is already

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there, I think the US is ahead of us more for finding solutions about

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this. Oprah started a campaign called No Phone Zone which has been

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going on for about ten years now, and her campaign, basically, the

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campaign we had about smoking and how much it was a socially

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acceptable thing and the way we tackled it and made it anti-social,

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basically you put stickers in the cars, saying no smoking, we could

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have the same thing, so Oprah was giving out free stickers at every

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petrol station, you can pick up a sticker with the red sign with the

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phone inside and across, like with no smoking, so everybody can... It

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is about raising awareness. Making the comparison with smoking, Nigel

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has e-mailed to say, the ban on the use of mobile phones was introduced

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in 2003, 13 years on it is widely broken. The ban on smoking in public

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places, nine years on it is universally obeyed.

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So we have to make it as socially unacceptable as drink-driving, as

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smoking in public places? Absolutely, yes. And I think new

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cars that are being made are having Bluetooth and stuff so I think it is

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just a matter of time. Thank you all very much.

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The Department for Transport told us it is totally unacceptable

:48:20.:48:25.

for motorists to endanger lives by using hand-held mobile

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"Offenders already face serious offences such as causing death

:48:28.:48:33.

by dangerous driving, which can carry a substantial prison term.

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We have also proposed tougher penalties for mobile phone use

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to act as a deterrent and ensure it is not tolerated."

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All vulnerable victims of crime and witnesses in England

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and Wales will be allowed to pre-record their evidence.

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This is what the Justice Secretary and Lord Chancellor,

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Elizabeth Truss, had to say about the measures.

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This is about making sure that vulnerable victims and witnesses,

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particularly children, don't have to relive

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the trauma of what's happened to them in open court.

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They can testify in advance and be cross-examined in advance,

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and we'll be rolling this out across the

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Our legal eagle Clive Coleman has been looking in to it.

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This marks a change in the way we do serious child because from 2017 all

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vulnerable witnesses, so anyone under 18 or who suffers from a

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mental or social disorder that could diminish their evidence, will be

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able to have their evidence taken in a session that would take place

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possibly six months before the trial. What will happen is that they

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will be cross-examined in front of a judge but not the jewellery and

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their evidence will be recorded, then it will be played in during the

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trial, which could take place sometime heads. What that means, the

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reason it is significant, it could mean that a victim or witness need

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not attend the trial itself but simply append this prerecording of

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their evidence. For centuries we have required victims and witnesses

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to come physically to the court and for a long time there have been a

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range of special measures for vulnerable witnesses when they do

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come to court so they can give evidence from behind a screen, by

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video link or with the help of a registered intermediary, but this is

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a step change because it takes the victim or witness out of the white

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heat of the trial and the advantages are that this happens closer to the

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time of the incident, so the recollection will be fresher, and it

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follows a number of pilots wear that was found to be the case, where

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victims were more comfortable and witnesses found their recall was

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better because it was happening earlier on. Another advantage is

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that victims can get on with the process of therapy and counselling

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without having this weighty trial looming in the future where they

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have to relive the ordeal. But they are alleged victims until a

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jury decide so how is it decided who will prerecord the evidence?

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There is a lot of evidence taking place on this, during the

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pre-recorded session there is a defence barrister there to

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cross-examine. The way in which defence barristers cross-examine

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vulnerable witnesses, particularly in sexual offence cases, has been a

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subject of great controversy, but there is a barrister who will do the

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cross-examination but it will be done at the earlier session and

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there is provision that is something crops up during the course of the

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trial, there is provision if necessary to bring the victim or

:51:49.:51:50.

witness to court. Thank you.

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Joining me now to discuss these measures are Gabrielle Brown,

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a woman who was seriously sexually assaulted by a foreign

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He had committed a string of sex offences six months prior

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He was jailed but released on good behaviour.

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A week after his release, he attacked her.

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And, Francis Fitzgibbon QC - chairman

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What do you think of this, Gabrielle? I think potentially it

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will help a victim who has that absolute terror about facing their

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alleged perpetrator in court. It helps with that. The one thing,

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though, that I think is critical to the jury understanding the impact is

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actually the jury seeing the victim face-to-face, seeing the tears in

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the eyes, seeing it first hand, in the same way I waved my right to

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anonymity not because I especially want to be here all out there, I

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waved my right to anonymity so that people can see me for who I am with

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no screen, nothing different, so that they can see how much I care

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about what I'm expressing. Francis Fitzgibbon, Gabrielle agrees with it

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but there is that point, however dramatic it may be for an alleged

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victim, being given the courtroom and the jury seeing the impact of

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the alleged crime has had on them. I think that is in a way marginal

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point for this discussion, because the new provisions are limited, they

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are important but they are limited to young people, and a rating, and

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people who are found to be formidable in the sense of lacking

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the intellectual ability to cope with the ordinary trial process and

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the proposition for them is that their evidence will be better

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presented if it is recorded in advance in the way that Clive has

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described. Do you have any concerns about a defendant's right to a fair

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trial when this measure is brought in? I think it is too early to say

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whether there are real issues about that. I know that the experience of

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people who were involved in the pilot areas is that the system has

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worked pretty well. I don't think there have been any serious

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complaint about it. The real innovation is not so much the

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prerecording of evidence, because we have that to some extent anyway, it

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is limitations that the judge can put on the questions being asked by

:54:38.:54:42.

the defence cross-examination. The defence are required now to submit

:54:43.:54:46.

the proposed questions in advance in writing for approval by the judge,

:54:47.:54:52.

not to limit the nature of the defence budget to ensure that the

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questions are questions that will be comprehensible to the vulnerable

:54:57.:55:01.

witness, whoever that may be. I have spoken to a number of people over

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the years, genuine victims of pretty awful crimes, who say actually there

:55:08.:55:10.

was the crime and thing going through the court process, and that

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felt like they were being abused all over again. Absolutely, I described

:55:16.:55:19.

my own situation where it took nearly two years for the case to

:55:20.:55:22.

come to trial at the Old Bailey as double abuse, absolutely it is. I

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would say that whether it is a pre-recorded interview or not, the

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victim will still be hanging on for that trial outcome, and there is

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very little that can be done to diminish that pain, except for

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bearing in mind that we all want the right outcome, the right decision,

:55:47.:55:51.

whether it is acquittal or conviction, a more swift criminal

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justice process. Waiting nearly two years the trial when my offender was

:55:56.:55:59.

arrested within 20 minutes of the offence was tortured beyond help. It

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really was. A slightly different issue but is there any prospect of

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things being speeded up? The whole criminal justice system is massively

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under resourced, it has suffered years of cuts in all departments

:56:15.:56:18.

which unfortunately has meant the process has got much slower because

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there just are not the people to speeded through as Gabrielle and all

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of us would wish. If anyone listening would like to persuade the

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Government to invest a little more heavily in getting the system to go

:56:30.:56:33.

faster, that would be very welcome. I should say in fairness they have

:56:34.:56:37.

spent a lot of money on digitising the system so we don't have paper

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any more, everything is digital which will help a bit but there are

:56:42.:56:47.

still big problems with resources. Are there any more changes coming

:56:48.:56:51.

down the line similar to this, this prerecording of evidence? What else

:56:52.:56:56.

can you see is holding? I can say this, that to accompany these

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changes the entire criminal bar is about to embark on a massive free

:57:04.:57:08.

education programme to teach us how to cross-examine vulnerable

:57:09.:57:10.

witnesses in the now approved fashion, which is very different

:57:11.:57:14.

from what we are used to. There is no putting your case, no haranguing,

:57:15.:57:21.

you are not meant to be nearly as assertive... No describing the

:57:22.:57:24.

witness or alleged victim as liar? Not at all. The rules are bespoke,

:57:25.:57:31.

the judge will decide on each particular case and each witness

:57:32.:57:34.

what the appropriate level of questioning should be after

:57:35.:57:40.

discussion with the barristers, but it will all be managed closely by

:57:41.:57:45.

the judge to ensure, not to shut out the defence but to ensure that the

:57:46.:57:51.

witness is best able to give their evidence, and that the defence can

:57:52.:57:55.

do what they need to do given the former abilities of the witness.

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Thank you very much for coming on the programme.

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