18/10/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

Hello, it's 9 o'clock, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

The killings by psychiatric patients treated at the same mental health

trust. More could have been done to prevent the deaths. We will be

speaking to a man whose dad killed his mum.

Ahead of schedule, that's the verdict from US forces engaged

in retaking the Iraqi city of Mosul from Islamic state fighters.

One and a half million civilians remain trapped in the city

as the battle to force out IS enters its second day.

From meetings at Number 10 - to hopes for a ten from Len?

Not likely but the former shadow chancellor Ed Balls is certainly

throwing everything he's got at it and he's with us this

morning talking Strictly and life after politics.

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One of England's largest mental health trusts has been severely

criticised for failing to learn lessons and improve care

after its patients killed 10 people in recent years.

Sussex Partnership NHS Trust was found to have "severely

underestimated" the threat posed by psychiatric patients -

Our social affairs correspondent, Michael Buchanan, reports.

Roger Goswell stabbed his wife Susan to death at Christmas, 2007,

The death's left Joe without his parents,

Today's report says the killing was predictable.

Roger Goswell had a history of mental health problems

and had repeatedly threatened to kill his wife.

If they had predicted it then they could have prevented it

and I think my mother's life, there was no question

that that was the case, they could have saved it,

Ten people have been killed by patients of the health services

The review into the deaths makes severe criticisms

As well as Goswell's case, at least one killing was preventable.

The trust severely underestimated the threat posed by

Patients and their carers were often ignored in their pleas for help.

The trust's chief executive has apologised and promised

The central point for me is around culture and practice and ensuring

that when something goes wrong it isn't localised to the area,

but runs across the organisation, and that we're open to the fact that

actually we need to learn and change practice in lots of cases.

Families that have been failed are understandably sceptic

They say that unless the NHS does learn lessons, many others

We will talk to him live in the next few minutes.

Joanna is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

A 23-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of rape

following an alleged attack at the Houses of Parliament.

The assault is alleged to have happened

He's been released on bail pending further enquiries.

America says Iraqi forces are "ahead of schedule" after the first day

of the battle to retake the city of Mosul from the Islamic State

It's the last IS stronghold in Iraq, and aid agencies

are warning that the offensive could trigger a humanitarian crisis.

The Pentagon says that so far, the offensive is going to plan.

Our correspondent Jonathan Beale, is embedded with the Iraqi

armed forces near Mosul, and in the last hour

They have cleared 10 villages, they need to clear another 70. That's

before they even reached the outskirts of muscle. Overnight they

have not moved at all, since we left them last night. There were traces

being fired as we arrived this morning, quite intensive, when they

spotted a truck which could have been an Islamic State suicide truck.

As I say, resistance has been pretty limited so far. They are expecting

the baffled to be more intense the nearer they get to the city.

Russia's defence minister says that Russian and Syrian

forces have halted all airstrikes on the embattled

The pause in bombardment is said to have begun about an hour ago.

The city's been under intense attack from the regime - Moscow is now

urging other countries to persuade rebel forces to lay down arms

and leave the city, ahead of what's being called a 'humanitarian pause'

The number of people kept waiting in an ambulance for more

than an hour before being admitted to A has almost tripled

in the last two years, to more than 76,000.

The latest figures also reveal that last year more than 400

thousand people waited for over half an hour.

The Government says it's committed to delivering a safer NHS and has

invested 10 billion pounds to transform its services.

The figures were released to the Labour Party under a Freedom

Less than half of England's grammar schools give priority to children

from poorer families, a BBC investigation has found.

Research into admissions policies finds that most don't take

into account a child's eligibility for free school meals

Our Education Editor Branwen Jeffreys reports.

Just outside the classroom is inner-city Birmingham.

Streets where most families have less money, so this grammar school

Up to a quarter are kept for low income families,

but not all schools are going that far, as our investigation

There are 163 grammar schools in England.

We've analysed the admissions policies of all of them.

90 give no direct priority to low income pupils.

21 have a quota, although some are just a few places.

33 give priority when they are oversubscribed.

And just a few use it as a tie-breaker.

Nationally, 500 pupils from poor backgrounds attended

If they were going to be truly representative, that should be

Grammar schools argue they are changing -

working with primary schools to encourage applications,

or using postcodes to make admissions fairer.

The government says it will make sure any new grammar

schools give poorer pupils priority, as well as working

But, for some existing grammar schools, there are still questions

about how much harder they should be trying.

The chairman of Ukip has denied the party is in a "death spiral",

and says it's focused on choosing a new leader.

Speaking on BBC breakfast, Paul Oakden said recent events

involving MEP Steven Woolfe - who was admitted to hospital after

an altercation with a colleague - had let down the party

But he described yesterday's decision by Mr Woolfe to leave

unfortunately, Stephen has chosen to leave her party. As a man of great

talent and ability we are sad by that but we are going to focus on

the next process for selecting our new leader. That's our focus and

priority. We wish Stephen well but it is a side issue when we are

focused on the bigger picture. The wife of the Republican

Presidential candidate Donald Trump has described accusations of sexual

assault against him as lies. In an interview on US television,

Melania Trump insisted She also said that lewd comments

Mr Trump made about women in 2005 were unacceptable but did not

represent the man she knows. Those words were offensive to me

and they were inappropriate. Britain's Olympic and Paralympic

athletes will parade through Trafalgar Square in London

this afternoon before a reception with the Queen

and The Duke of Edinburgh Yesterday, thousands of people

braved the rain and lined the streets of Manchester

to celebrate Team GB The athletes surpassed expectations

in Rio by bringing home more medals than they won on home soil

during the London 2012 Games. That is the latest BBC News. Would

you want your childpos-mac School photo photo shopped to make it look

better? At least 1 mother is not happy. What do you reckon? If your

own children have had school photos with that offer, do let me know and

we will have you on the programme. There was a big game in the Premier

League but it was not that interesting. It did not live up to

the billing. Two teams with big title aspirations who ended up

cancelling each other out. Jose Mourinho will be the happier of the

managers. This was their best chance of the match. We'll be disappointed

he did not score. Two very good chances for Liverpool. Another good

opportunity for Liverpool to have won it, and it came from Philippe

Coutinho. A victory for Liverpool would have moved them to the top of

the table level on points with Manchester City and Arsenal. Jose

Mourinho, as he always does, stifling the opposition, inventing

them from playing. He will be the happier of the two managers after

the match. This is what he had to say. The control of the game was

ours, even the reaction, it was disappointment. They are playing

very well. You make them play even better. People expected us to come

here and be in trouble. We were not. Football is a results game, we need

results, nil nil against Manchester United, nobody will sure this game

in history, ten, 20 years, this game will not be part of it. But we could

have played better. Manchester City have made a big statement this

morning. Yes, they've posted record profits of ?20 million. It was very

interesting to see the project they've been developing since they

were took in over -- taken over. They've enjoyed a period of success

on the pitch since then, winning two league titles. I guess these are a

real improvement. Last year they posted profits of ?11 million. Now

it's up to ?20 million. It goes to show how successful the project they

are building is, having expanded the side. The team trains alongside the

stadium. I guess this shows that the investment is literally paying off.

People use that word every time we too much, talk to you later.

Just over a year ago, there was a minor collision between two cars.

From nowhere, one of the drivers stabbed the other 39 times,

And what we hear today is even more disturbing.

An inquiry report reveals that the killer's mother had

previously pleaded with doctors to section him under

That death should never have happened.

This was just one of ten killings by mentally ill patients under

the care of a single NHS Foundation Trust -

We're going to speak now to the son of one of those victims.

Joe Goswell's mum Sue Goswell was killed by her 66-year-old

husband Roger, Joe's dad, who was released from a psychiatric

And Sue's inquest was told of a series of shortfalls by medical

The report today says this was predictable. Could you explain to

our audience why? I'd love to know that myself. My father told the

hospital staff he wanted to murder my mother, he said how we wanted to

do it in graphic detail when she visited him in the hospital room. He

told us as children in graphic details. He asked for electric shock

treatment to get rid of the thoughts in his head because he wanted to end

his own life and he thought, 46 years of marriage, he wanted to end

his life but my mother was his possession and because of that he

wanted to take her with him. So he told the staff this, they did not

take this seriously, they asked me whether he was a violent man and I

said he was a very strict upbringing, whatever he said went. I

would take it seriously. For him to say that he had these

thoughts and he wanted electric shock treatment, they should have

taken him more seriously than what they did. I think he moved from the

Sussex Partnership area to the Hove Priory, but his notes weren't passed

on. They asked me to, they asked whether I would drive my father to

the Priory along with my mother. He then replied, "Well, if I was to do,

he would grab hold of the steering wheel and veer it into the barriers

trying to kill us." As a result of that, we chose not to. The doctors

were aware of that and so they chose to send him by ambulance. They

didn't know full well that he could possibly murder someone or murder my

mother. They didn't handcuff him or didn't send the notes over. So it

was, you know, when you think about that, how dangerous that was at the

time, didn't send any notes over to the Priory and they were then

working without any notes at all when someone was being predicted

that he could possibly go on to murder, one would have thought that

they should have received that and made that priority this. Is grave

failings within the NHS and certainly, great failings with our

case as well. What do you make of this review that? That the Trust and

NHS England commissioned which found in a number of cases including your

own, the process to assess patients was inadequate and the risk posed by

the patient went under rock niced or -- recognised or was severely under

estimated? Nine years when the inquest came out, there were 14

failures. They said they were going to make changes and learn by the

mistakes and clearly they haven't. It was a mile from where I live,

that another murder had taken place from a person suffering from mental

health issues and we are nine years on saying they are going to do.

Actions speak louder than words and yet nothing seems to be done. We're

apprehensive about what they are saying. They said they have written

to me, which they haven't. They haven't informed me that the report

was coming out. We are at a sad time of year which was Christmas which

was the time that the incident happened and here we are living the

whole experience again. Very, very painful. Very painful for my two

boys and my nieces and nephews. It has been very hard for them. We have

never had a Christmas since this happened between us as a family

because we find it too tough. Exceptionally tough. Very sad times

ahead. I mean, you talk about the lack of communication so far from

this trust. But from what you hear about the review, they have

commissioned, they are, I mean, they are accepting a reasonable list of

failures. They are accepting that. Yes. I understand that's good, but

they say they're going to implement these things, let's wait and see,

let's hope within five years time they can give us the report from

this today's date and say there has been a dramatic fall in numbers of

deaths to do with mental health patients of the that's when we can

actually say well, that's worked. At this stage it hasn't because it has

got worse in the nine years that my mother was taken from us. Thank you

very much, Joe. The Chief Executive of the trust

offered his sin veer apology and condolences to the families. They

have done everything possible to respond to the tragic incidents

adding, "This review sends us a strong message about the need to

identify and embed learning when things go wrong in a way that does

change clinical practise and behaviour." As you heard from Joe,

something that he is looking for. It's the biggest military

undertaking in Iraq for several years and now the battle to take

the city of Mosul has America has said that Iraqi forces

are "ahead of schedule", but IS is also claiming to have

destroyed armoured vehicles 1.5 million civilians

are currently in Mosul, where they've spent two years under

the brutal IS regime. They now face an impossible choice

between trying to flee or stay and risk being trapped

in a full scale battle. Our correspondent Jonathan Beale,

is embedded with the Iraqi With me now is Dr eh Bassiri

Tabrizi, a Middle East expert at the Royal United Services

Institute. We can also speak to

Dr Tarik Al-Kubaisy Karl Chembri is from the Norwegian

Refugee Council, a charity that's Steven Nabil,

an Iraqi American journalist who was on the frontline

several days ago. Welcome all of you. I wonder if I

can start with you Stephen if I may. You've just come back from there.

What did you see? I was there a few days ago and I visited the Peshmerga

forces and meeting with the UN officers and trying to figure out

are we ready to take the influx of people coming out? The military

morale was very high. The troops are preparing to welcome the people

after the occupation of Isis. So everything was ready to go and it is

translating yesterday on the ground where several villages were already

liberated ahead of schedule in the Peshmerga and Iraqi forces did what

they were supposed to do ahead of schedule. I know people in Mosul

risk being executed if IS catch them with a mobile phone. I know you are

in contact with some. What are they telling you? They wanted to tell the

world, most of them have not talked to their families for months or

weeks and it was for the first time they were getting, the first thing

they did is they communicated with the military. They told on IS and

gave the locations, everything they saw in the city and they just wanted

to be part of the fight and they wanted to tell the world that the

people of Mosul are anti-Isis and we're going to fight back and get

our city back. They're scared of being caught so they were asking us

not to publish the pictures so Isis can't determine the homes that the

pictures were taken out of, but they were very co-operative and they are

going to be a very helpful hand in the coming days. You lived and

studied in Iraq's second city. You have many family members still

living in the city. What are they telling you about their daily life

and how it has been? Well, good morning. Actually it is extremely

worrying time for us. My wife and also the families there. We haven't

been able to get in touch with them for weeks and it is an extremely

worrying time. The last few times when we have been in contact they

were actually in extreme mess. They were psychologically shattered. They

were an ambivalent state. They don't know if they stay or try to leave.

Some of the family members tried to leave and then they have been caught

and one of them has been battered and then hardly they have been able

to return back with some ransom. The other members, especially the

elderly ones for example, my mother-in-law, she is an elderly

lady with dementia and it is very difficult to try even to take care

and to take her away from there so they have decided to stay at home

with all the consequences and you know, there is no safe haven.

Wherever you are, if you are able to flee from Isis then the lovely

bombardment from all the aircrafts and the artillery will catch you and

it's very worrying times. It is absolutely no choice. I want to

bring in Karl. You are effectively helping people who are fleeing the

area. How many civilians are you expecting over the next few days?

Well, so far nobody has managed to come out of Mosul city. We have been

helping people who have fled the villages and towns south of Mosul.

Over 100,000 people have fled in the last month. Sorry to interrupt,

Karl, no one yet has come out of Mosul. Do you take that to mean

there are people who want to flee and can't, or that people are decide

to go stay? How do you read it? It's difficult to say. The little contact

that we have with some people in there. We know that they are

terrified. Most of them are staying in their houses. They don't know

what is going to happen in the next hours and days. The information we

have is that the troops are still out of the city. So there isn't yet

the intense fighting that we're so concerned about and as the previous

speaker said, the actual safe exits, they don't exist yet. We don't know

know of any safe routes out for the civilians. There are 1.2 million

people inside Mosul. There is no safe way out and we have seen in the

previous scenarios like in Falluja where people were told actually that

there were safe routes out and they were killed by snipers, by explosive

devices, by land mines as they were trying to escape. Children, elderly

people, the disabled, the most vulnerable. We haven't been able to

go into Mosul for the last one-and-a-half years now. We don't

know the full extent of the humanitarian situation inside. We

just know that people are terrified and faced with the bleakest of

choices. Either stay there, where they are, under Isis or try and

escape and get shot at or else face the artillery fire that is going to

ensue. It is a desperate, desperate situation. As a Middle East expert,

let me bring you, can you explain to our audience whereas Iraq's second

city Mosul is so strategically important? Well, the fight in Mosul

is very important for particularly one reason. The fact that the leader

of Isis announced the caliphate from Mosul from the Great Mosque in Mosul

in June 2014. This means that a fight with Isis in Mosul does not

only represent a territorial fight against a group and potentially the

biggest territorial victory against the group because it is the most

populace city that Isis has under its control, but it is symbolically

important because it means the project of the caliphate is under

concrete threat. So under threat. It stops them continuing to build the

caliphate across Iraq and Syria? Exactly. Would you be able to go as

far to say this could be the beginning of the end for the group,

Islamic State or not? It is difficult to say. We can see from

the developments right now, it is hard to see how Isis is going to

react to the fight. Now, we are seeing that they are likely to go

into resist. There are 3.5 to 5,000 Isis fighters in Mosul and of

course, there is the fear that they might flee and run into Syria

basically leading the fight into another country, but you know, like

not being defeated completely or lead to the group to re-created in a

different shape, either going back to Europe through foreign fighters

or refugees as it has happened in the past, so I think it is very

difficult to know what kind of shape Isis will have afterwards. In terms

of territorial victory I think Mosul represents a crucial step to getting

the caliphate reduced and the territory reduced, but that doesn't

necessarily mean an ideological victory against Isis. There is a

reason why they had so much support in Iraq and Syria and particularly

in Iraq and these are the grievances against the country, against the

Government particularly the discrimination against the Sunnis.

So I think it is very difficult to know whether the popularity of the

group of this kind of extremism will be defeated completely. OK. And

that's definitely worth keeping in mind, but when you hear the US say,

"Look, we are ahead of schedule in terms of re-taking Mosul. A, do you

believe it? B, does that mean the Iraqi Government forces with its

coalition allies are going to win the Battle of Mosul? I mean, it is

very hard to tell how things are going to develop. Even the Iraqi

Army is talking about weeks, months, for the battle to take place. It is

not a hit-and-run kind of operation and the reason is first of all the

civilians that we're hearing about. There are 1.5 million civilians

trapped and one of the things that the Government has requested is for

the civilians to avoid fleeing from Mosul, to basically avoid that, they

could be used as shields, human shields by Isis. So that makes

operations they difficult. That makes airstrikes very difficult.

Clearing the areas, it is going to take time and again, we have to keep

in mind that some of the Isis fighters might hide within the

civilian population and therefore, try to escape through that route. So

I think it's going to take a long time to have Mosul area, we are

talking about an area right now, if the operation is actually

succeeding, we are talking about villages being liberated, not

actually Mosul. So we are operating in this area and we know the

Peshmerga forces in the east of Mosul have liberated ten villages

and the Iraqi Government, the Iraqi army is operating from the south. So

even if these kind of operations are actually succeeding at the moment,

the actual take of Mosul will take much longer.

is a if this could take weeks, if not months, will we see a desperate

humanitarian situation unfold? Absolutely. This would be the

strangulation of an entire population. This bleak dilemma will

come to the fore. How will my colleagues on the ground get into

the city and provide the aid desperately needed? It is a huge

city and a huge population and we don't know which areas are full of

snipers. We cannot go on right now. These people are going to run out of

supplies. There is no water or electricity. Winter will come, it is

around the corner, it will be freezing. It is desperate. The

quicker this operation is concluded, the better. Equally important to

establish humanitarian corridors for us to go in. One thing that needs to

be said within the context, the way this operation has helped, the way

the people who flee will be treated. It will determine the future of the

rock. This is beyond a battle, it is about the future. Thanks for coming

onto the programme. We will keep you up-to-date with what happens in the

struggle to take control of Mosul. We will bring you the latest news

and sport in the next couple of minutes. Also, former Shadow

Chancellor -- former Chancellor Ed Balls will be talking life after

politics. Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news. One of England's largest mental

health trusts has been severely criticised for failing to learn

lessons and improve care after its patients killed 10

people in recent years Sussex Partnership NHS Trust

was found to have "severely underestimated" the threat posed

by psychiatric patients - The latest UK inflation figures have

been released. It rose by 1% in the year to September, compared with a

0.6% rise in August. The rate in September was the highest when it

was 1%. America says Iraqi forces are "ahead

of schedule" after the first day of the battle to retake the city

of Mosul from the Islamic State It's the last IS stronghold

in Iraq, and aid agencies are warning that the offensive

could trigger a humanitarian crisis. The Pentagon says that so far,

the offensive is going to plan. Aid agencies are warning

the offensive could trigger The Iraqi government

throws everything it has A coalition of 30,000 Iraqi

and Kurdish Peshmerga forces, backed by Western air strikes,

advance on so-called Islamic State's last major

stronghold in the country. The first phase of the operation

is slow and careful, with at least 4,000 IS troops

still thought to be in Mosul. The Iraqi army heading

in from the south is taking And it wasn't long before

they faced their first sign of resistance -

a tank fired at a truck bomber, The Kurdish Peshmerga,

moving in from the south, encountered its own approaching car

bomb and soon destroyed it. The Prime Minister said

he would like to wrap this up We would like to do this as quickly

as possible, but it will be on the Iraqi calendar,

the Iraqi timeline. But there are fears this fight could

end in a humanitarian disaster. A million inhabitants may need food

and shelter and they could be There were leaflets dropped over

the city just ahead of this offensive by Iraqi security forces,

telling civilians to stay inside, to lock their doors,

to turn off gas pipes, there was a fear of explosions

obviously, and to Whether this will be seen

as a victory for the Iraqi government depends entirely on what

happens to Mosul's civilians. A 23-year-old man has been arrested

on suspicion of rape following an alleged attack

at the Houses of Parliament. The assault is alleged

to have happened He's been released on bail bailed

pending further enquiries. A BBC investigation has found that

less than half of the grammar schools in England give priority

to children from poorer families. The government, which wants

to increase the number of selective schools in England,

says it's consulting on ways The wife of the Republican

Presidential candidate Donald Trump has described accusations of sexual

assault against him as lies. In an interview on US television,

Melania Trump insisted She also said that lewd comments

Mr Trump made about women in 2005 were unacceptable but did not

represent the man she knows. That's a summary of

the latest BBC News. Here's John Watson now

with the morning sports headlines. Hardly a classic between two of the

Premier League's big hitters. Liverpool and Manchester United

played out a drab goalless trough. One of the best chances fell to

Philip Coutinho but the goalkeeper produced a great save. They missed

the chance to move level on points with Manchester City and Arsenal.

Plenty for the Premier League table toppers to be happy about. They've

posted record profits of ?20 million. It follows a takeover of

the club in 2008. Mark Cavendish would not speculate over the

situation of British Cycling. He said, whether I believe him or not,

I'm just speculating, I will let him deal with it. 11 months after

returning to Rugby League, Sam Burgess will captain the Rugby

League side in the upcoming campaign. He says the criticism of

his time in rugby union was unfair. We are back with more at 10am. That

is literally all the sport. Inflation is up. These are the

figures of September. Up from what to what? Up from 0.6% to 1%. It is a

little bit higher-than-expected but a significant rise was on the cards.

What is striking is that a lot of people were putting this expectation

down to the fall in the value of the pound. The Office of National

Statistics say there is no evidence the pound is pushing up this. The

things that have gone up have been motor fuels, who tells, the price of

clothing, with an offset coming from inner fears. What could be behind

it? It could be underlying that to some extent because some of these

goods, clothing, a significant amount is imported, and fuel is

priced in dollars. It could be that it's a little further back in the

supply chain but there is no explicit evidence to say that. Just

to explain the link, when we import stuff, what we import is more

expensive. Typically, the people buying it will need to pay the costs

of it in foreign currency and it will cost them more. It's gone up

for September but is still way below the Bank of England targets. Indeed.

You'd need to see if it stays at this kind of level it would

certainly not be a problem. The Bank of England would wanted to go a

little higher. And beer in mind, wages have been rising. For the time

being, real living standards are keeping pace with price rises. The

decline in the value of the pound will take time to fully make itself

felt. Most economists will tell you it will get a good deal higher. They

are expecting inflation to exceed their target. Some people will tell

you buy a significant margin. But the bank think it is going to be a

one-off thing that will dissipate over time. They probably won't worry

about it hugely. We will talk to a woman who runs her own business

after ten, she import a lot of her own goods.

Donald Trump is my wife thinks it is just bite. It is the first interview

since the tape of the TV host emerged where he boasts about sexual

misconduct. Melania Trump spoke about her image being used. Those

words were offensive to me and they were inappropriate and he apologised

to me and I accept his apology. We are moving on. What were your

thoughts when you heard those tapes? This is not the man that I know. Is

it fair for the media to bring up Bill Clinton's past? He did bring up

my past, why not? They are asking for it. They started from the

beginning of the campaign putting my picture from modelling days, as you

want that to the first Lady. I worked very hard. Good morning.

Finding the right partner in the superficial dating world is not

easy. In a bid to prove appearances are not everything, one Japanese

company is using surgical masks to force their clients to concentrate

on character. Interesting. Some say the eyes are the windows to the soul

and eyes are all these daters have to go on.

To achieve marriage it is important to provide people with the

opportunity in the early stages of a relationship to see personality,

rather than start with their appearance. That is why we use

surgical masks. They are an important tool for that. With

declining birth rates, dating services in Japan are gaining

popularity. The singles in this room are not given up on finding the one

but in a digital world where online dating is the norm they feel

superficial first impressions are getting in the way. People come to

this event looking for someone with personalities or from the start I

felt confident, not being judged by my appearance I was able to be more

outgoing with women? I think I was able to find a more about their

inner selves and not just judge them by their looks. In this event,

personality matters. I quite like that. It worked. These young women

have landed themselves a second double date and this time they might

leave the masks at home. There you go.

Before last year's election, Ed Balls had a chance of being

Chancellor, but he was dealt a low blow when he was booted out of his

Parliamentary seat. As he put it in his book, I thought there was a

chance I would be delivering Britain's next budget and a second

later, my political career was over. He went back to Harvard University,

became chairman of his football team, and joined Strictly.

Ready to tighten your belt, Chancellor?

Dancing the waltz, Ed Balls and Katya Jones.

The former Chief Executive of EDS, who I was just talking to a few

Of course, he is a big supporter of ours.

To be honest, his surname has just gone from my head,

which is a bit annoying at this time of night.

And as a result, his economic and fiscal

Yes, I'm not going to sort of paint my face green any time

Any personal disappointment I have at this result is as nothing

compared to the sense of sorrow I have at the result that Labour has

He's here. It is a mad, mad world to go from that to this! I know. It is

fabulous actually. Is it? I don't think I would have thought that I

would have done the different things that I'm doing at the moment. Of

course, it was a terrible result for Labour and for me I had a marginal

seat, but I came out of Parliament and I have ended up doing a series

of things which I never thought I'd get the chance to do. Are you

happier? The thing about politics and especially if you are a Cabinet

Minister, it is so important what you're doing and it is deeply

fulfilling. It is changing people's lives in a small way and a huge way

across the country and I don't have that anymore, but on the other hand,

you know, I have no idea what I'm going to do next year, but I don't

think I mind. I'm doing a series of things which are just intrinsically

enjoyable and warm. Strictly Come Dancing, I mean, it is quite tacking

and painful and it is quite stressful. On the other hand, people

love it so much that it is really nice to be part of something so warm

and positive and people in the street these days, they yell out

good things all the time. Whereas in the old days, it was never clear

which way it was going to go. So how would you assess, how you're doing

on Strictly so far? Well, I'm... I have to do a double take. We have

had the inflation figures, I cannot believe I'm asking you about

Strictly as opposed to asking you about inflation which I'm not going

to do because' not in office, you're not an elected MP. It is surreal?

I'm worrying about Brexit and the Government and the Labour Party,

however, my biggest worry at the moment is my American Smooth Foxtrot

which I've got to do in four days time and you start on a Monday

totally cold, never having done it ever before and you have got to get

to a performance stage in four or five days. I'm stressed about that.

I'm sore because I discovered I've got gloots and they really hurt.

They are working again. It is quite something. I surpassed my

expectations, I wanted to get through the first week, I didn't

want to go out on the first public vote and I've gone through and I'm

probably the worst dancer, but that's no surprise, but people are

enjoying it and they can, I think, see that we're trying hard and

trying to do better and Strictly is all about trying to learn and to

improve and I've got a great partner in Katya. We're doing our best and

every week is a he bonus now. You were late this morning and I

suggested to you earlier that you've taken this show business lifestyle

to heart. That's why you were so late, but you were late. Tell our

audience what happened? We were in a car and in front of us, a lorry was

turning right and some other driver decided to overtake on the other

side, careered off the road on to the payment, just missed two people,

and then reversed and went charging off again. We stopped and we got his

numberplate and we reported it and gave our contacts. So we had a dash

to get here for the show, but... A witness to a hit-and-run on the way.

It was total crazy driving and luckily the people who he almost hit

didn't get hurt, but it could have been really, really terrible. So I

think it says every day you've got to know that it could be, you know,

the last day. So you've always got to enjoy every day. Is that how you

saw it when you witnessed that? I did think that. Life is so random

and uncertain and you never know what's going to happen and you can't

think about that too much, but I think it also means if you spend

your whole life thinking in ten years time or 20 years I will

achieve or be fulfilled, that could be debilitating. I do think, I'm at

the stage in my life where I think I want to enjoy every day and make

sure I see our kids growing up and the next stage of their lives and I

want to make sure I do things which are fun and enjoyable. You know, I

sort of hanker after the purpose which I used to have in politics,

but that was taken away by the electorate and that's right and role

and so, it is a different face. Yeah. Totally agree. Obviously you

can be on Strictly and chairman of Norwich City because you lost your

seat in 2015 and you say in your book the most emotional part of that

was hearing and finding out that your children had watched you lose.

Tell bus that. Because we all watched that moment? I was in a

hotel room from midnight until 7.30am on my own with my press guy

guy and I had time to think it all through and understand what was

happening and prepare, I was quite calm because I knew there was going

to be a Conservative majority. I didn't really want to have another

five years of Opposition, it was Labour's turn, sorry, it was

Yvette's turn to go for the leadership of the party and

therefore, I was better out of the way, but I didn't find out until

afterwards that my son had stayed up all night waiting for the result.

How old is he? He's 15. My other daughter came back and didn't know

the result because she wouldn't be able to concentrate. Lots of

people's hopes and expectations were dashed. People who wanted a change

of Government and I became the symbol of that and so therefore, I

had all day messages and texts and people ringing and people were so

upset and it wasn't really about me, it was about their loss. I ended up

becoming the symbol of that, I ended up spending most of my time

comforting people and saying it was fine and we would come back. Your

son did find you on the Friday evening crying? It was the end of

the day. It was just, it was more like the accumulation of that day. I

had a call that day from an old friend of mine who is the US

secretary, he is called Larry Surmers, he said make no quick

decision,s don't say that you're spending time with your family and

come to Harvard for a year and think what is it next? I took that advice

seriously. A good friend. It was wonderful. Also in the book you say

that when Labour was in Government, under Tony Blair, turning down the

chance to have transitional controls on workers from Poland and other

countries was "A terrible mistake." Do you think there is a link between

that mistake and Britain voting to leave the European Union 16 years

later? I do think there is a link because I think what happened was

and I sort of say this in the book that we failed to understand this is

the political classes, the risks and the challenges in our economy in the

last 20 years. We thought we were focussing on the right things, we

made the Bank of England independent to keep inflation low, we didn't see

the financial crisis happening in the banks and the squeeze on wages

which happened and we didn't see the globalisation wouldn't just be about

goods going around the world, but people moving. If in 2004 we had

known there was going to be such movement from Eastern Europe in the

years which followed, we would have had transitional controls, but

nobody saw that. Loads of other countries did because they put the

controls in place? That's right. Britain was one of only three

countries that didn't? The judgement then was we hadn't joined the single

currency, the euro, which was an important decision. Tony Blair,

Gordon Brown and others were thinking well, look we are the

people who are against the euro, but we have always supported enlargement

and let's show we're supporting enlargement by not having controls

thinking the numbers would be tiny and both our Government and David

Cameron saying he would get the net migration down to the tens of

thousands and then it being hundreds of thousands, it looked like the

political classes were failing to get a grip and when it came to the

referendum, David Cameron's message was it is OK, trust me, I've

reformed it. People said, "I don't think you have." They voted for

change and it is a hugely problematic period in our country as

a result. You talked about how much you hated - you talked about still

looking for purpose, having been a Cabinet Minister where you can

change people's lives, you hope for the better, it doesn't always work

out that way, but you talk about being in opposition and how you

hated that. You talk, you say it was soul destroying and futile, how long

do you think Labour will be in opposition with Jeremy Corbyn as

leader? Well, I think, first of all, if you are a member of Parliament,

even in opposition, in your constituency, you can change lives

for the better every day and constituency MPs actually do trance

for matetry things, not on the national stage, but just for

individuals whose lives they help turn around. It is a good thing to

be a member of Parliament however, if you want to really change the

world you've got to write the Budget... How long do you think

Labour will be in opposition under Jeremy Corbyn for? I think that

Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters have got to persuade people they

actually really want to be in Government. How long? If you want to

be in Government you've got to persuade the sceptical people in the

middle to trust you. Jeremy Corbyn has been re-elected as the leader.

It looks like he'll fight the next election. I'm fearful that the way

he's going about it means that Labour are currently unelectable,

but he has still got a chance to turn that around, we will see, but

if not, Labour will be out of power for years to come and that would be

a tragedy for Labour. It is a problem for people who need a Labour

Government and also, the Government needs a strong opposition. One of

the things I say in the book was back in 2001, the Blair-Brown

problems partly happened because the Tories at the time were so weak.

Iain Duncan Smith was not a strong leader. The Government needs a

strong Labour opposition challenging them to do better or else it becomes

an internal fight in the Conservative Party which look, a the

moment we see Conservative Cabinet Ministers attacking their own

chancellor in the papers. This is not healthy. And Labour has got to

rise to the plate in order that Labour becomes the opposition rather

than internal divides. Well, ministers attacking their own

colleagues in the papers is not a new thing! It happens when

Oppositions are weak. If Jeremy Corbyn is not going to win the next

election which you said you're fearful... I'm fearful. Because he

can't necessarily as you say appeal to that wider electorate, who would

be a better leader right now for Labour? We had a leadership contest

this summer. I think it was premature myself. I don't think

Jeremy Corbyn had enough time to show how he was going to do things

and he is got a mandate from the members. Is there anyone in Labour

right now that you see is a future leader? Your wife went for the

leadership. She was, you know, quite a way behind. So who is there in

that party? I think at the moment, it is really unhelpful for me and

unsupportive of me to come on and start speculating about who would be

alternative leaders. Of course, there are people who could be good

leaders, but at the moment, Jeremy Corbyn is re-elected as a mandate,

he put together a Shadow Cabinet. They have got to show they can

change. It is not impossible for Jeremy Corbyn to reach into the

centre, but it means he has got to show he will be tough on public

spending and he has got to listen to people on national security and work

with business rather than be an antibusiness figure. So far, we have

not seen signs of that, but I think he has got to be given a chance now

and it is difficult because I think at the moment it makes Labour

ineffective as an opposition. What about Dan Jarvis? Dan Jarvis is a

really good guy. He has amazing experience of public service for our

country around the world. I think he is still at the early stages of his

political career. He has chosen not to be a candidate in previous Labour

leadership elections. He could be one of the people in the next 10 or

15 years emerge. There is not a vacancy. I don't think there will be

a challenge. I think the interesting thing if Jeremy Corbyn realises that

the big supported by thousands of cheering supporters, your members,

is not the same as appealing to voters in the country who are

generally too busy with their own lives to come to one of your rallies

and realises that actually this is not for him and for him to stand

aside, and therefore have another leadership election before the next

general election. I think that's not impossible. I think that it is

something that he might think about very hard, but that would be his

choice now, rather than the Parliamentarians. It is up to him.

Does he want to be Prime Minister? Does he know what needs to be done

to be Prime Minister? Can he make the changes which are needed and

really lead? So far we have not seen evidence of that. Although he said

yes to all those questions that you just posed? I know, but it is the

actions that matter. Last week on the programme your ex-boss, former

Labour leader Ed Miliband, said this about you on Strictly. Have a look.

Have you been watching? I have. I've watched a clip actually. He has got

better and better, hasn't he? There he is. Do you think he has got

better and better? What are you basing that on? Well, didn't he do

better last week than the week before. He has thrown himself into

it A national treasure? I'm not going to paint my face green any

time soon! Those the National treasures tend to

get locked up in the Tower of London? Why have you fallen out? I

don't think we've fallen out. Why are you not friends? We did some

important things together with Gordon Brown.

I think he made a decision to be more distant. It was not like we

fell out. Things pulled away. What I say in the book is you can have

friendships which come together again but sometimes it is hard to

sustain that. A good example of that is Gordon Brown and Robin Cook. They

pulled away when they were in the Cabinet but they made a close

friendship in the later years of Robin Cook's life. In the period

when he was allowed to, we were very professional. We got on well as

colleagues. Could I ask you a small favour? Harold it strictly -- Carol

did Strictly last year and never got to dance one of the dancers. Near

the did I! I messed it up. We got a step wrong. We lost our steps. I

went in being told, be a matador. The previous week had been right

camp. I went in and the producer said it was the most camp. May be

you could show her a couple of steps. I'm not totally sure. Do you

want to go now? Nobody knows the right steps. The key thing for me

is, art your back. I think if we go through here, then you have to go

back. She is a national treasure! How about that? My word! Do it

again. We will go, step, and back. And then down. You are good. We

should probably do it to music. We could do the big swing at the end

when I throw you, and then bang, like that.

Well done. You are a star. Thank you for being such a good sport. I will

be doing the foxtrot, which is so much easier. Do you know how I

learned the foxtrot? I watched lots of Fox's trotting. Thanks for the

tip. That was quite energetic. It is a six. I will take that any day.

Let's see how the judges scored you. That's not the lowest score on this

programme. You are saying it is OK? You can vote for them when voting

opens at the end of the show. Well done. Let me read these comments.

David says, I have more respect for Ed Balls since Strictly as he has

shown he has the courage not to care what people do about him and have

fun with it. This person says, you cannot make a better entertainment

than a politician making a joke of themselves. This person says, I have

not laughed as much in ages. Does this mean you cannot go back to

politics? If I was trying to go back to politics wearing a yellow suit

and a green face, it would not be the smartest move. It probably

indicates, I did that for 20 years, it is so wild, who knows? If I

thought I could do something which would help turn it round I would do

it but realistically I've had my time. The thing that is really

frustrating about the comments, they are fabulous, we are only in because

people are voting for us, but when people say, we knew you were a

politician but it is great to find out you are a human being, but

actually, these politicians are human beings, they have families,

they make mistakes, they do their best, sometimes people do bad things

but mostly people do good things. I wonder if you will end up doing a

John Sergeant, having to make a decision to leave because you keep

being voted in even though there are more talented dancers? It is a show

about learning to dance and entertaining. If it was a

competition I would not have entered, I clearly started from the

lowest place. Last week, Len said that you are doing all the steps.

You really can stick around, how long do you want to go on for? I

have been told I need to lose as stone, I really want to do a jive,

there is no way that I'm going to last very long but another couple of

weeks would be great. As a politician, I know that in the end

it is the public who decide. Thank you very much coming on the

programme. Here is Carol doing her normal job.

You get a ten from me. This morning we have some beautiful pictures to

show you. As you move further south, we've had

some heavy rain in Yorkshire. This was set in -- sent in by Wendy. We

have rain moving southwards. Behind it we've got showers coming in. It

is turning colder. We had a mph which will be usurped by the weather

coming south and the colder are will move. The wet and windy weather will

move away. Some of those will be heavy. The north-westerly will

accentuate the chilly feeling. Windy with exposure in the West and across

Northern Ireland. Still with a plethora of showers. Curled in the

North of England. -- freezing. The same in south-west England. There

will be some sunshine from the Midlands down to the Isle of Wight.

Into Kent and East Anglia with less showers. Through this evening and

overnight, most of the showers will fade except close to the coast. It

will still be windy. There will still be code around. When it

breaks, especially in sheltered parts of the north-west, that

amateurs could drop low enough for a touch of frost. We start on that

note. The low pressure that has been dominating will move away. The wind

around it comes from a chilly, northerly direction. That will bring

showers in inland. In the West, high dominating. For many, it will be dry

with some sunshine. We are looking at highs of 15 with the wind.

Tomorrow will not feel as called. As we head into Thursday, the low

pressure will come round it. We've got that direction. That will bring

in the showers. Temperatures will be roughly where they should be.

Good morning and welcome to the programme.

Inflation records its sharpest jump in more than two years.

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Journalist and presenter Steve Hewlett joins us to talk

From politics to the polka - Westminster two-stepper Ed Balls has

been with us this morning to talk about life after politics -

and his new found stardom on the dance floor.

He's been giving tips. Five, six, seven...

The Consumer Price Index Inflation has risen to its highest level

in more than two years according to official figures.

from 0.6% in August, the highest level

The Office for National Statistics said there was "no explicit

evidence" that sterling's slump following the Brexit vote had pushed

One of England's largest mental health trusts has been severely

criticised for failing to learn lessons and improve care

after its patients killed 10 people in recent years

Sussex Partnership NHS Trust was found to have "severely

underestimated" the threat posed by psychiatric patients -

America says Iraqi forces are "ahead of schedule" after the first day

of the battle to retake the city of Mosul from the Islamic State

It's the last IS stronghold in Iraq, and aid agencies

are warning that the offensive could trigger a humanitarian crisis.

The Pentagon says that so far, the offensive is going to plan.

Aid agencies are warning the offensive could trigger

an aid to a Conservative MP has been arrested on suspicion of rate

following an attack at the Houses of Parliament. The Met police said

detectives were investigating an allegation of rate in the early

hours of Friday the 14th of October. Jessica has said, do they know that

they are on a? This e-mail from John, superb interview, remain

honest. People laugh Fred up with this. A member of the party, I hope

so. Watch him dance. My day is made. Get in touch with us. Use the hash

tag. I think that made our day. What is it like to be a Premier League

referee? One man who can answer that is Howard Webb. Thanks for joining

us. Very timely to have you with us. There was a big match last night. In

the lead up to the match it was the referee in the spotlight.

Suggestions he should not have been refereeing the match despite it

being at Anfield, he lives close to the Manchester United ground.

Questions over his integrity. How hard is it with the focus and

attention placed on Premier League referees? It was pressure, it did

not need to be said by people who should have known better. He will

not have heard all the stuff because as the referee you try to shut

yourself away but some of it will have filtered through. His integrity

was being questioned. He lives close to the Manchester

United ground and he doesn't support the team? People were hoping to get

into his head and make him behave in a certain way. He lives six or seven

miles from Manchester. He lives in Cheshirement he refereed Manchester

United and City many times before without issues. All this talk before

the game wasn't help. . The FA have got strong rules about people

speaking about the match officials before the game for good reason and

it will be interesting to see if any action is taken by the people who

are involved in the game, like Jose Mourinho for example. His comments,

he said it would be hard for him to perform in that match last night and

his xhints are being investigated? That comment isn't that bad, but it

adds fuel to the debate I guess, doesn't it? I'm delighted Anthony

performed well last night. There wasn't a great deal to do, but he

will be satisfied he delivered a good performance. Nobody speaks

about him after the game because he has not messed up. There was talk

before the game, but clearly, he was going to go out there and deliver a

performance on what he saw, impartially, mental resilience is

essential in match officials and to question his integrity was

ridiculous. What is it like being a Premier League referee? What is it

like coming up against the greatest players in the world, but as we

know, perhaps, don't behave themselves on the football field.

They try and gain an unfair advantage faking injury. It must be

infuriating that you can't say to a player what you're really thinking?

You're in this pressurised environment where people are trying

get to you make a mistake. You've refereed a World Cup final in 2010,

a Champions League final as well, even harder, to get those big

decisions right I guess when you are at the top level of the game? Yes,

but with that comes the satisfaction of being involved in these huge

events sur ronneded by wonderful sportsmen and wonderful footballers

in the game you love, it is the best seat in the house. For anybody

passionate about their football and doesn't have the talent to be a

professional footballer, there is another way to get involved and make

it to the top and most of the time refereeing is a really, really

enjoyable thing to be involved in. Fantastic. Howard, many thanks

indeed for joining us on the programme this morning. Not a

classic last night, was it between Liverpool and Manchester United at

Anfield? But it is fair to say that Jose Mourinho will be the happier of

the two managers this morning. Thank you.

New figures released today show that Inflation is at its highest

In September there was a pretty sharp jump to 1% from point 0.6%.

But what does this mean for you and me?

Since the vote for Brexit, the value of the pound has dropped

sharply which means the cost of things that we import -

like food and oil - are going up, because it's now more

expensive for businesses in the UK to import goods.

Some firms are already passing those costs onto us,

and experts predict that'll keep happening for the next

So how soon will you see notice a difference when doing

the weekly shop or buying that morning cup of coffee?

Ann Pettifor is the Director of Prime Economics and Sofia

Charalambous who runs a family business, Bathroom Origins.

Hello both of you. Hi. How do you assess the rise? Well it is only 1

Mers and the Bank of England's target is 2%. So we're not near the,

we're not near the Bank of England's target. And the problem has been

prices falling in the past really in the recent past. The real worry has

been deflation and we don't know how to manage deflation really. We don't

have the tools, the monetary tools to manage deflation. And so actually

a bit of deflation given also that we're indebted is not a bad thing

because what inflation does is it erodes the value of your debt. So it

makes debt more affordable. Deflation does the opposite. That's

why it is worrying. Why has the pound fallen in value in the way it

has? Mainly because investors are pulling money out of the economy.

And losing confidence in the currency, but also because everyone

is expecting the Federal Reserve to put up interest rates in December

and so money is flowing into the dollar. So there is that, but there

is also the political uncertainty that no one can really tell what is

going to happen about Brexit and I have to say that the Government

isn't helping by falling out amongst themselves. So this fall-out

yesterday between members of the Government and the Chancellor and

also the Bank of England is not helping confidence in the economy.

Sophia, you run a small family business with a turnover of over ?1

million. You import bathroom products. How has the drop in the

pound affected you? The impact is our margin. So for us going forward

we're going to have to put our prices up so we can sustain our

business. Right, so your profit margin is reduced. You don't have to

put the prices up. You could absorb that and reduce your profits more?

We couldn't. Could you not We couldn't reduce them. We would be

out of business if we reduced them. How much are profits down compared

to before the EU referendum? I would say probably about, at the moment,

5% because at the beginning of the year, the pound was favourable. We

also hedged against the pound so we're able to sustain ourselves

until the end of the year. So we've offered our retail customers price

stability until the end as have many in our industry so really the prices

will start hitting from January onwards. OK, and you would expect

your competitors to do the same, would you? Well, some have already

done it. They didn't let the referendum, they didn't let the

referendum dust settle before they actually put their prices up which

is too soon, but the majority of us will start putting prices up from

January. How do you see your business going

in the next six to 12 months? Very uncertain. And for me, my worry is

more about the economy than the pound because kek adjust our prices

accordingly, but if we adjust them then maybe people will not want to

buy bathrooms. I think the whole economy will go through such a

period of uncertainty, they will hold off on big ticket items.

What do you need politically from the Government then to help things

feel less uncertain? I think we just need clarity and right now, I feel

we're not get anything. There so much infighting. Every day there is

a different story and people are just feeling nervous about the

future. So they're holding off on potentially buying stuff? Yes. And

Ann are there any advantage to say inflation going up and the pound

being weak? There are for people who have high levels of debt, but the

real problem and I think Sophia just made this clear, is that people will

be paying more, but their wages won't rise and small companies like

Sophia's haven been able to put up wages. Wages are still below what

they were since before the crisis. So people won't go shopping and the

really sad thing is that people on the lowest wages will take the

biggest hit and will find their living standards cut and that's

quite serious actually because living standards are already quite

low and that means that people certainly won't be buying bathrooms.

They will behaving to buy food and petrol because those are essentials

and so they may not buy those things that are less essential. So the real

problem and the problem is also Victoria, that there is a sort of

conflict going on in the global economy because out there, in the

global economy prices are falling and we have deflation. China, there

is a glut of goods coming out of China. That's pushing prices down.

There is a weakness of demand. Across the world people are not

going shopping if you like. So that come bin gnawings of prices falling

there, but rising here is going to make things pretty unstable. And it

is quite difficult to therefore say what is going to happen in the

future. Thank you both. Good luck. I wish you all the best. Thank you

very much for coming on the programme. Thank you.

Coming up, we'll be speaking to a campaigner for families who've

lost loved ones to mental health patients following a review which

Steve Hewlett is a journalist and presenter of The

He's been on this programme a number of times giving you the inside track

on media stories ranging from the future of the BBC

I've read this article many times and you can look high and low,

you will find no suggestion from anybody that what the Queen

Even his own autobiography, in 1974, makes it absolutely plain

that he has an attitude towards sexual contact,

and a desire for sexual contact with women and young girls

That's an ?800 million cut, it's 20% of the BBC's budget,

that is, if you are a BBC supporter, that is proper grievous bodily harm.

That is very, very serious whatever happens with the White Paper.

For the past few weeks Steve has been telling Radio 4's Eddie Mair

The cancer is in the advanced stages and is classed as incurable.

Hello. Hi, tell us why you're being open about your diagnosis? It sort

of crept up on me in a way. I think partly, within my family and amongst

my close family and associates it took me 12 microseconds that I would

tell them all including my children where it was at. You have three

grown-up sons? They are 19, 21, and 24. So and I think my experience of

that has been that telling them, even things that are very difficult

and very difficult to deal with, to be honest, more difficult for them

than for me. I found. I found when I got the original diagnosis when it

was clear that it was pretty serious, I, the doctors, and the

nurses were all very helpful and their manner sort of, there was an

expectation I think that I would collapse in a heap and not only did

I not do that, I felt strangely unaffected by it. Partly, I think,

because I sort of worked it out. Right from the very beginning, I

Googled, my symptoms with anaemia which really kicked it off and when

you do my vague symptoms and a bit of this and a bit of anaemia, and

when you do that, you only get one result. So I think quite early on,

for myself I had kind of worked it out and I just thought honestly,

well, my luck has run out. I have had a lucky life. I've done lots of

things that a lot of people don't get a chance to do. I have been a

journalist. It is a keep you alive kind of job because you're always

looking at new things and nothing I looked at turned out to be boring.

To cut a long story short, by the time it gets to the serious end of

the diagnosis, I do get moments where, you know, I just well up, it

could happen any minute. It happens unpredict bli. It is look in the

mirror or a shower or this or that and something happens and you get a

thought and you can't get rid of it and it just makes you want to cry.

So I'm not, I don't mean to suggest I'm unaffected by it, but telling

them, really I found really it empowered them actually and it meant

that they were then, they felt part of it, they didn't feel that they

were threading on egg shells and didn't feel there were things they

couldn't say and so I think that led me, I think, to wondering about

whether people really talked about cancer enough. I mean in some

respects, you know, you can listen to Radio 4 and if if you listen to a

lot of Radio 4, a lot of it is about cancer funnily enough, but it tends

not to be men talking about it and I don't know if people are closed

about their feelings about it, but it tends, it doesn't, there is

something about what we've done with PM which appears to have touched

something of naerve and I can only spk late as to why that is. But I

sort of thought, there is not enough said about cancer often enough

and... Particularly about incurable cancer? It remains this taboo.

Absolutely. One of my kids on PM last night said, I thought it was

really profoundment he said and it encapsulates what I feel about it.

He said there are two ways you can deal with it. You can become

depressed, you can become as it were, you can become the victim, of

course, you are a victim. You can and you can waste with this

negativity. You can waste all the time you've got left and in my case,

no one knows how long I've got left. If you look at the statistics, it is

not great. If you look at the, but they are statistics, so are you in

the 40% or are you in the 60% or the 2% or the 4%? Depending on where you

end up putting yourself or where you end up, it could be, I could have

months, years, or even a normal life span. To be honest, that's in the

outer reaches of probabilities. Nothing something you'd put next

wages on. Is that uncertainty of not knowing weighing on you or are you

just cracking on? Is it weighing on me? I am aware of it. People say

live life to the full and live every day to the full and people say that

in general. There is something about the life I'm living now which isn't

different to the life we all lead. I could get knocked over by a bus, you

could lose your job, we all know this and of course, we spend a lot

of our time dealing with things to be responsible, to have a proper

grown-up life, you have to deal with things that are difficult and all

the rest of it. It is a neat injunction to say live life to its

full, make the most of all the time you've got. I think in normal life,

people say it, but rarely do it. Yes. When you have been given notice

and I feel as if I've been given notice, I'm part of some sort of, a

sort of universal kind of redundancy exercise. I don't know if I'm going

to get picked or not, but I'm in the pool for selection is how I'd put

it. And it does change the way you think. It changes the way, for

example, when it has happened, it will have happened to many of your

viewers, when you're in danger of losing your job and you are awe put

into the redundancy pool, how does that make you think about what is

going to happen next? I don't know what's going to happen next. The

outlook is not fantastically positive, but that doesn't mean

there aren't lots of chances that it isn't better than that. We haven't

told people what the cancer is. I've got cancer of the oesophagus.

The first symptom was I felt a little bit fool. I would have eaten

half a sandwich, drank some beer. Not like indigestion. Every now and

again I would eat something and if I eat it too quickly it would feel

like it was getting stuck, not in my throat but the back of my chest. The

feeling I remember best was as a kid, drinking fizzy drinks, if you

drank too much, you would feel it in your back. That sort of feeling. I

dismissed it as eating things too quickly. I went on holiday to

Vietnam worded -- where I did some relaxing, and I thought, there is

the answer, relax and eat noodles. I came back and the symptoms returned.

It was in a restaurant, I was two thirds of the way through the meal

and I felt something get stuck and I started salivating. Your body is

trying to get the food to pass. I did not feel sick, but there was no

way to spit it out. I could not swallow it. I had to go outside,

standing outside spitting and retching, and in the end, the kids

said, go to the doctor. The NHS were absolutely astonishing. Within two

weeks I'd gone from first visit to GP, blood transfusion, endoscopy is,

both ends, gastroscopy, CT scan, which showed it had spread, within

two weeks I knew where I was. You began having chemotherapy and kept

you -- you're. I started with the chemotherapy, I've seen it happen to

people, I didn't have to go into a darkened room, but not get nausea or

vomiting, I got constipation, if you want to know, and another thing

where your hands and feet become very red. It makes it quite hard to

walk. You end up walking on the side of your feet. Then your ankles swell

up. That was the most significant side-effects. It is weird and I felt

like I had a hangover. But I was not significantly affected. When I was

not feeling like I was taking lots of chemicals, I was better than

before I was ill. I had more energy, I'm more in June. With hindsight, I

was not right. It was looking rather good. The original plan was to do

six cycles of chemotherapy. The consultant would not say this was

not working but I detected a glint in her eye. She probably thought it

was working. She delayed the scan to four cycles and then go to eight. We

scanned after four and the mean tumour had shrunk, the lymph nodes

had reduced by half. The liver, they are disappearing, and there is a big

one they are measuring. So this is a partial response. Everybody was

thrilled. So we were pressing on with eight cycles. It does become

more tiring. After the seventh cycle, I was getting a bit of

feeling in my oesophagus. They said, there is nothing in the book that

says we need to do eight cycles so we could scan now and move onto the

next stage. So we scanned after seven, I went back to see her and

she was ashen faced, not the right word, much more upset than I was.

She discovered that it had stopped working completely. We were back to

where we started from. It was active, it was really like, what do

you do now. In fairness, at some point they expect it to run out on

you. If there are curative options it is different. But in the

palliative arena, for most people, that line of chemotherapy eventually

feels. But it is unlucky to have it fail whilst you're already on the

treatment. But look at it this way, I've had a few months of time

feeling pretty good. If that had never happened I don't think we

would be having this conversation. Highlight your boys? I heard them on

the radio and one of them sounds exactly like you. They are fine.

Freddie is a musician, he did music in Manchester then got a scholarship

to study the tuba for two years. He got a position with St Petersburg

Ballet and he now works in advertising, such is life. He lives

in London. Billy is in the final year of politics. I went to

Manchester in 1977. Some reason, they both went to Manchester. He is

doing politics and economics. The youngest one, the biggest and the

tallest, is doing film and philosophy. They are fine. It was

interesting hearing them talk. They appreciated being told. Billy was

away for a lot of it and was getting on that. He said that knowing meant

his friendship group were able to support him at college. That is

because he knew. If he'd not felt he could be open about it then that

would not have happened. He was surprised. The figure was one in

three of us will be affected. That is partly because there is an ageing

population. People are living longer. You hope to get involved in

clinical trials. I'm approaching the point where that becomes a

significant option. If this had not failed there were a couple of trials

could got involved in. My genetics are being tested for various things

which might lead to novel treatments. What they might test for

his the breast cancer gene. If people overexpressed that, it is an

extraordinary, effective treatment. If they don't express that it is

about as much use as a chocolate teapot. I don't overexpressed that.

The point now, it is a bit of a conundrum. I'm on radiotherapy first

12 days to reduce and control the mean tumour. This will not have any

effect on the liver and the lymph nodes but it should produce some

shrinkage. They are blasting it to bits which leaves me feeling yucky

but it is perfectly liveable. After that, there are clinical trials

coming up which I need to wait four weeks to participate in. They insist

that you finish one line of treatment and then there is a

wash-out period. The trial is not much use if they measure what the

last trial date. The question for me is, is the disease in active enough

to mean that we can afford to wait for these trials to become

available. If it is active and progressing in these terms, I need

to start second-line chemotherapy immediately. When will you know the

answer to that question right I should know next Tuesday. At which

point, something else happens. If I need to start immediately, there's

another drug which can produce a significant improvement in response

rates. It is licensed and proven to be effective. We've heard that

before. I might need to cash in a pension to pay for it. Which you

would obviously do. If that is the option then I will do it. Roy is

watching you and says he has been diagnosed with terminal cancer, it

is as if that is me on screen. Sometimes I wish it was over because

I am afraid of the endgame. My treatment is not working any more.

Arnold says, how can you be so positive and so normal. I kind of

think, why not? I'm not reconciled to the process of the end. I think I

am reconciled to the fact that the end might not be that far away. The

process scares me but in the meantime, whilst I can be active,

and do these things, I kind of think, why sit at home and wait for

the inevitable? I am a journalist through and through. I'm always

asking questions. I'm treating this like a project, in a way. Perhaps

that is a change to prospective. It is not that different from normal

life, it is just that the timescales are different and you need to accept

you are on notice. If I felt really rotten, if the chemotherapy was hard

to tolerate, I might be feeling rather different about it. I don't

feel ill. I don't feel quite right. I've certainly felt more ale in the

past. I can think, why wouldn't you? It does not half help. Eric says, I

was not aware that Steve Hewlett was ill. A fine journalist and I admire

his positivity. That is backed by so many tweets. I've had a lot of

stuff, I've put on more than 1000 Twitter followers. The reaction has

been more than I ever bargained for. We've touched a bit of a nerve. I

take it as evidence that people don't talk about it enough. I had a

very close relative, a man, who died six months after diagnosis to his

end. They said they'd appreciated the injuries I done because it gives

them a clue as to what the relative might have been printed. The idea

that you could go from six months without ever really discussing it, I

wonder how common that is? I wonder. The only incite I've got is when I

had a wig made, the lady who made the wig for me said she deals with a

lot of women who don't tell anyone, not even their partners that they

have cancer. I found that astonishing. I heard what she was

telling me, I didn't understand it, I just thought, I don't know this.

It has come as a big surprise to me as well. That people don't talk

about it. That's why the PM thing has hit a nerve. Vast numbers of

people, I don't know how many thousands, have been in touch. They

appear to be really grateful. Find themselves drawn to this

conversation which is one they've either wanted to have or not at, no

people who they wish that had it, it is becoming a thing.

On the bravery front, I don't feel remotely brave. I am not doing this

out of a cause of fight the good fight. I'm not sure I feel as if I'm

at war with anything. I know, it is an alien, but it is me. I don't feel

that I'm, I don't even feel I'm battling something. That's not, but

in terms on the bravery front, I don't feel brave, I feel privileged

in a way to be able to talk about it and get the response. This isn't why

I did it, but you get thousands of people e-mailing and tweeting and it

doesn't half give you a lift. Thank you very much for talking to us.

You're welcome. Will you come back? Fingers crossed. Thank you.

Still to come, a review of ten killings over eight years finds

a mental health trust underestimated the risk posed by it patients.

We'll be speaking to a campaigner for families who've lost loved ones

Former Shadow Chancellor and current Strictly Come Dancing contestant

Ed Balls is with us this morning talking dancing and

Earlier we were telling you about a review which has accused

a mental health trust of severely underestimating the risk posed

by psychiatric patients, after ten killings by people

in its care over the past nine years.

Sussex Partnership NHS Trust was found to have ignored repeated

Let's talk to Julian Herd who set up Hundredfamilies.org to campaign

on behalf of families who have lost their loved ones

to mental health patients after his own father

was killed in 2007 he joins us now from Leeds.

Thank you very much for talking to us. I wonder if I could ask you

first of all to tell our audience what happened to your father? My dad

went out to pay his paper bill one Sunday morning in 2007 and as he was

walking out of the paper shop, he was stabbed in the back and stabbed

in the neck by a man he had never met before who turned out to have

been a long-term patient of the local mental health trust who was

psychotic at the time and who had taken lots of drugs and four days

before he killed my dad his family had warned and asked for the local

mental health trust to come and see him because they were worried about

his deteriorating condition. They came out to see him and although

they found a large bag of amphetamines they decided there was

nothing they could do although he was deeply psychotic at the time and

four days later he killed my dad. How do you react to the review which

clearly sets out the failings that this trust made? I've got two

reactions to it. One is deep sympathy with many of the families

involved. I've talked to quite a few of them. And on the other hand, I

actually think it is a brave decision to do this investigation

because what I know from my investigations throughout the

country, is that Sussex is not unusual. There are many more trusts

in the country that have many more patients who have gone on to kill

people and those trusts are not investigating and things haven't

been learned. What these investigations have happened for

over 20 years now since a man called Jonathan Zito was killed in London.

There was an investigation into that case and they found lots of problems

with risk assessments, care plans, keeping proper records, treating

drug problems and the same problems are happening time and time again

and are happening today. We have known about these problems for over

20 years and they're still happening. Those things that you

mentioned, those things that are listed in the review today are

fundamental, you know, a proper risk assessment. Listening to warnings

from loved ones? This is not complicating mental health

healthcare. This is basic mental health care and if you can't keep

proper records, you know, that's, I imagine that's what you learn in

your first-term of being a psychiatrist or being a psychiatrist

nurse. It is keeping proper records and we hear time and time again. I

know in my dad's case, you know, I found there were previous cases in

Bristol. I didn't know how many times there have been previous

homicides by people with mental health illness awhen I found there

were previous investigations, I found four or five and they all said

the same things and each time the trust had said we're lessons and the

service is different now and yet, time and time again, the same thing

would happen. Thank you very much for your time

today. You're welcome. Thank you for coming

on the programme. Earlier we heard from Ed Balls

following the loss of his seat the general election. He talked about

all sorts of things, his journey from politics to the paso dobbedly.

It is a mad, mad world, is it not? To go from that to in? I know. It's

fabulous actually. Is it? I don't think I would have thought in my

life that I would end up doing the different things I'm doing. Of

course, it was a terrible result for Labour and for me, I had a marginal

seat, but I came out of Parliament and I've ended up doing a series of

things which I never thought I'd get the chance to do. Are you happier?

I'm not sure I am ahappier. The thing about politics and especially

if you're a Cabinet Minister, it is important, it is fulfilling and

changing people's lives in a small way and a huge way across the

country and I don't have that anymore, on the other hand, I have

no idea what I'm going to do next year, but I don't think I mind. I'm

doing a series of things which are just intrinsically enjoyable and

warm. Strictly Come Dancing, I mean, it is quite taxing, it is painful

and it is quite stressful. On the other hand, people love it so much

that it is really nice to be part of something so warm and positive and

people in the street these days, they yell out good things all the

time! Whereas in the old days, it was never clear which way it was

going to go. I'm at the stage of my life where I want to enjoy every day

and see our kids growing up and the next stage of their lives, I want to

make sure I do things which are fun and enjoyable. You know, I sort of

hanker after the purpose which I used to have in politics, but that

was taken away by the electorate that's their right and role so it is

a different face. Yes. Totally agree. Obviously you can be on

straictly and chairman of Norwich City because you lost your seat in

2015 and you say in your book the most emotional part was hearing,

finding out that your children had watched you lose, tell us about that

because we all watched that moment? The thing was I was in a hotel room

from midnight until 7.30am basically on my own with my press guy and I

just had time to kind of think it all through and understand what was

happening and prepare, I was quite calm because I knew that there was

going to be a Conservative majority. I didn't want to have another five

years of opposition. It was Yvette's turn to go for the leadership of the

party and therefore I was better out of the way. But I didn't find out

until afterwards that my son had stayed up all night waiting for the

result and so... How old is he? He's 15. And my older daughter was doing

a GCSE that day and she left saying she had to go and came back saying

she didn't know the result, she wouldn't be able to concentrate and

what happened over the course of that day was that lots of people's

hopes and expectations were dashedment people who wanted a

change of Government and I became the symbol of that and so therefore,

I had all day messages and texts and people ringing and people were so

upset and it wasn't really about me, it was about their loss. I ended up

becoming the symbol of that, I ended up spending time comforting people

and saying it was fine and we'd come back and I would be OK. Your son did

find you on the Friday evening crying? It was the end of the day.

It was just, it was more like the can you minute lation of that

emotion. I had absorbed emotion all day, but had positive conversations.

I had a call from the Treasury secretary in the US for a few years

called Larry Summers and he said it happened to me before and you have

got to think forward, make no quick decisions, don't say you're spending

time with your family. Come to Harvard for a year and think to

yourself what is it next which is going to happen in my life? I took

that advice serious. A good friend. It was wonderful. How would you

assess how you're doing on Strictly so far? I'm worrying about Brexit

and the Government and the Labour Party, however, my biggest worry is

my American smooth foxtrot which I've got to do in four days time and

you start on a Monday totally cold, never having done it ever before and

you have got to get to a performance stage in four or five days. So as of

today I'm stressed about that. I'm sore. I discovered I've got glutes

and they really hurt. They're working again! It is quite

something! I've surpassed my expectations. I wanted to get

through the first week and I've gone through three and on the one hand,

I'm probably the worst dancer, but that's no surprise, but people are

enjoying it and they can, I think, see that we're trying hard and

trying to do better and Strictly is all about trying to learn and to

improve and I have agot a great partner in Katya. We're doing our

best and giving it a go and every week is a bonus now. Can I ask you a

small favour, please. Carol did Strictly last year... She was. And

never got to dance the paso. Neither did I! Neither did I! That's an

accurate assessment of your performance Saturday. It was utterly

appalling. Do you think it was utterly appalling? I messed it up.

We got a step wrong. I was saying to Katya, "What do we do?" We lost our

steps. I went in being told being a mattador I went in to do the

strongest mattador and I came off and the producer said it was the

most camp paso. Maybe the step you got wrong on Saturday night you

could show Carol a couple of steps, teacher had a couple of steps. I

have to get into arch your back and try PA get up. That was good. I

think if we go, if we from here and we go to step and you have to go

back. Oh my gosh. Be careful! This is Carol, she is a national

treasure! And then back and then back again. Oh my word. You're a

strong lad! Go on, do it again. Go! We'll go