28/10/2016 Victoria Derbyshire

It's Friday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling in for Victoria.

Our top story, the NHS is losing out on hundreds of thousands of pounds

every year because it is failing to collect money from foreign

We will be looking at who should be paying what.

Also today, uncomfortable viewing or lack of interest?

Why is it that the world seems to be turning a blind eye to the suffering

of thousands of people in Yemen starving to death as a result

about the number of Polish people leaving the UK?

We are talking to Poles about their experiences of hate crime,

the job market and what they want from a family life here.

Do we say our self here, and especially raising children? Do we

want them to be raised in a country where they will not be considered as

somebody wanted? Hello, welcome to the programme,

we're live until 11 this morning. We are talking to a sick grandmother

who says she will die if she has to go back to her home in South Africa

now that the Home Office has said she will be deported.

Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

use #VictoriaLive, and if you text, you will be charged

The NHS in England is on course to lose out on almost ?150 million

by failing to recover the costs of treating foreign patients,

The National Audit Office says the health service

could collect more money than it does from European governments.

It calls for staff to be more aware

about who should be billed for health care.

Our health correspondent Robert Pigott reports.

The Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Romford treats more people

from overseas than nearly any other in England and is trying

to meet its legal duty to recover the funds.

The Government aims to recover ?500 million a year

But it is forecast to fall ?150,000 short of the target.

The main reason - a failure to collect ?130 milliom

from European governments for treating their citizens

in how much money they recover from overseas patients.

For example, some recover just 15% of debt,

The National Audit Office says this wide variation

is an indication of just how much room there is for improvement.

The NAO says hospital staff are critically important

to recovering more money and that there is strong support

among them for the prnciple of charging overseas patients.

What was more variable was how aware staff were about the cost recovery

and about whether they thought they had a role in it, so,

for example, only 58% of hospital doctors were aware

and I think it was 45% of hospital nurses.

The Department of Health says it has tripled the amount it gets back

from overseas patients in three years and will take further steps

Annita is in the BBC newsroom with a summary

of the rest of the day's news.

The Royal Bank of Scotland has announced a loss of ?469 million

in the three months from July to September,

more than double the amount expected.

The bank received a ?45.5 billion bailout during the financial crisis

and is still largely owned by the Government.

RBS also confirmed it will miss next year's deadline for the sale

but says it's still in the process of transforming the bank.

The Government's denied that Nissan was offered compensation

to build two new models at its factory in Sunderland.

The company had been reviewing its investments in the UK,

But it announced yesterday it was reinvigorating its investment

following support and assurances from the UK.

Nissan says the company received no special deal

and the Business Secretary, Greg Clark,

insisted there is no financial incentive.

This was not a haggle over money, this was a vote

of confidence in the future of the automotive sector.

There was no cheque-book, I don't have a cheque-book!

The important thing is that they know that this is a country

in which they can have confidence that they can invest.

Police in Scotland have given more details of a man they are searching

for in connection with the attempted murder of two police officers.

David McLean, who is 30 years old and from Glasgow,

and the public are advised not to approach him.

Two police officers were injured on Sunday evening

in a hit-and-run incident in the northwest of the city.

An employment tribunal's due to rule on whether drivers who

work for the online minicab firm Uber

are self-employed or have workers' rights.

The case is expected to affect other new businesses

that use smartphone apps to link customers with drivers,

couriers and those who deliver takeaway food.

Every year, 700,000 women in England and Wales are victims of stalking,

but many feel the law doesn't do enough to protect them.

to double the maximum sentence from five to ten years.

who was harassed by a former patient for seven years.

The has never approached me and threatened me, but I just did not

have a clue as to what he was trying to achieve by doing it, or his frame

of mind, all his thought process, and so it was very difficult to feel

safe at any point. This morning MPs are debating

whether councils should be forced They're deciding whether to change

the law and make it compulsory for councils to offer accommodation

to anyone who finds themselves without a home, regardless

of whether they're seen West Ham say it has identified

200 people involved in violence that broke out at Wednesday

night's game with Chelsea. Three people have been

charged by police that broke out towards

the end of the game. Coins, seats and other objects were

thrown between rival supporters. A man accused of stabbing two

British backpackers to death has been charged with

a second count of murder. Smail Ayad had originally

been charged with killing Mia Ayliffe-Chung and

attempting to murder Tom Jackson, The charge was upgraded to murder

following Mr Jackson's death. Ayad will appear

at the mental-health court As Halloween approaches, fire chiefs

are warning there has been no improvement to safety laws for fancy

dress costumes. Children's costumes are still classified as Tories

rather than clothing for safety standards. Fire officers want them

to meet the same standards as children's nightclothes because of

the risks if they are touched by a naked flame. Advice is that kids

know how to stop, drop and roll if their costumes catch fire.

A jury in the United States has awarded more than $70 million,

or ?57 million, to a woman who claimed years of using

Johnson and Johnson's baby powder caused her cancer.

Deborah Giannecchini was diagnosed with ovarian cancer four years ago.

In the latest case of its kind, she accused the company

of negligent conduct in making and marketing its baby powder.

Johnson and Johnson says it will appeal.

Nasa has released an image that sheds further light on the fate

of a European spacecraft which crashed on Mars last week.

The magnified image shows the black crater made by the Schiaparelli

module after its parachute was released too early,

suggest a fuel tank exploded on impact, scattering debris.

After years of talks, delegates from 24 countries

and the European Union have agreed to create

the world's largest marine reserve in Antarctica.

An area of more than half a million square miles in the Ross Sea

will be protected from commercial fishing and mining.

The region is home to a diverse range of species,

including Adelie penguins and minky whales.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9:30.

Thank you. We are going to take a look at the dire situation any Yemen

this morning and why thousands of people are starving to death there.

The story has just really come to prominence with images that have

been emerging from Yemen of young people starving, you may have seen

images of an 18-year-old in the newspapers. We will be talking about

that, and plenty more coming up on the programme.

Do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use #VictoriaLive.

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

Not the ideal start to the second test for England's cricketers.

No, it started early this morning just before five o'clock, England

looking to wrap up this series against Bangladesh, they currently

lead 1-0 in that series. Bangladesh won the toss this morning, they are

on a huge 194-3 after having won the toss, and England have Sapphire

Ansari, the young spinner there. Tammy Mick Vall hit a century for

Bangladesh, and Moeen Ali bowled them out, recently getting another

wicket. Currently Bangladesh are 194-3, lots to think about for

Alastair Cook as they head into the series against India.

In tennis, Andy Murray making good progress at the Vienna Open.

He is, and he desperately wants to get back to being the world number

one, he is into the last eight, where he faces the American John

Isner after a victory against Gilles Simon last night. He had to come

from a set down. Another victory at the Paris Masters would mean

Djokovic would have to take the title to keep his top spot. Murray

was not at his best last night, scraping through, a tough run for

him, looking absolutely shattered, but he could be world number one by

the end of next week, Joanna. What has been the verdict on drug

testing at the Rio Olympics? Yes, more controversy from Wada,

they have had their work cut out, anyway cover Rio 2016, and Wada

saying that there have been serious failings in the drug testing. -- in

the wake of Rio 2016. They said that athletes could not be found than

half of the tests were cancelled on Sundays. Out of 11,000 athletes at

the Games, 4125 had no record of testing whatsoever. Nearly 100

samples were not matched to an athlete because of data entry

errors, and one missing sample was not located until two weeks after

the Games. They say that 500 fewer tests were carried out than they had

expected. So rather controversial stats coming out of that report from

Wada. The Formula 1 title could be decided

this weekend? Yes, Nico Rosberg, slightly

unlikely, Lewis Hamilton would have to retire from the race or not

finish in Mexico, and Nico Rosberg would have to win it. After this, he

can afford to come second and third to win the title. He is the

favourite, but perhaps not this weekend. But look at this, getting

in the spirit, Daniel Riccardo, pictures of him celebrating the day

of the dead celebrations in Mexico City, some serious face painting

action going on, look at that, the make-up artist had her work cut out!

Nico Rosberg, though, could be a good weekend for him, Lewis Hamilton

has to stay in the race to stay in the title.

Thank you, Will, see you later. Every day now there's news or fresh

indicators about the direction of the UK now we've voted

to leave the EU and But what about EU citizens

who've made their homes here? There are about a million Polish

people living and working in the UK, and many have decided to pack

up their lives and leave. A poll suggests that, after Brexit,

nearly a quarter of Poles here either back to Poland

or to another country. Many feel driven away

by a reported rise in hate crimes directed against Poles since

Britain voted to leave the EU. Others are worried about the fall

in the value of the pound Erika Benke has met two Poles

who have decided to move on, and she went to the Polish capital,

Warsaw, to speak to a young man

who's already moved back. The Brexit vote and its aftermath,

which saw an increase in reports of hate crimes,

caused many Eastern Europeans living and working in the UK to question

whether they wanted to remain here. They think we are invaders and we

want to take something from them. Four months on,

some have already left, and others are planning

to do the same. Do we see ourselves here,

especially raising children? Do we want them

to be raised in a country where they will be considered

as somebody unwanted? We've been to meet

three Polish people who are now rethinking

their futures. TRANSLATION: But everybody knew

the English would do So, in fact, nobody

was stealing the jobs. She's lived in Poole

for the last seven years. Until four months ago, she worked

in a food-processing plant. When I came to England the first

time, I thought it will be a big chance for me to have better life

and to learn new skills, But after even a short time

I was disappointed, It has nothing common to do

with what I was thinking. And now after more than seven

years of being here, I said, "That's enough,

I don't have to be here any more." Now after more than seven years of

it, that is enough. I do not have to be here more and to be treated as a

person of second category, because I am not.

When I was talking with my daughter on the street, we are standing just

in front of one of the shops, and we were discussing

about something what was inside the shop.

And we were joking and laughing, maybe we were talking loudly.

And there was passing one man and he said something like that,

"If you are in England, you have to talk in English!"

He said, "Because you are in England!"

I am talking with my child, so I will talk with my child

in my language, not in English, because it's weird."

And the guy, he said, o, i"Nf you are here,

And the guy, he said,"No, if you are here,

Otherwise you go back to your bloody country."

And I said to that guy, "This is also my country,

and I have equal rights in here, like you."

You don't have any rights in here any more."

So that was, you know, my experience after Brexit.

Joanna's daughter Monica moved to the UK to live with her

She has got a good job and her boyfriend has recently moved in with

her. When I came in 2011 my main point was to connect with the

family. It may be set that things are not open here since the last

four months. But anyway, sometimes you have no choice. I do not want

her to go abroad or to any country or continent even. We are thinking

of an option like the United States. When the United Kingdom opened the

job market in 2004, we thought it would be a good chance to improve

our life, but we did not aim to come here to live on benefits, to have

everything for free, to beg on the street or something like that. No,

we were prepared to come here, work hard and be normal members of

society. We are very easy to integrate. We are very pleased to be

integrated, but it does not work in either way. They do not want to

integrate with us, the Brits, because they think we are invaders

and we want to take something from them. No, we do not want to take, we

want to give, but they do not want to take it. I do not seek any future

for me here, especially after what happened after Brexit. No, I have to

be very careful about my future, but I am more than sure my future is not

here. Magda is 35, she is a charity

worker. Brexit has got her thinking about uprooting her family. I was

unconsciously waiting for this moment and I got up at six and I

checked my iPad and the news was that England was out of Europe and

it was shocking and I was surprised because all my colleagues at work

were saying they were voting for staying in, so that was surprising.

I do not think there is any difference between Polish people or

Italians or Spanish people who come here, it is just the quantity. There

are criminals, a small percentage, in Polish society, just like any

other, but just the quantity made us so visible that people started to

talk about us more than other people. It is really sad and me, as

a Polish person, I feel hurt, maybe not hurt, but sad. There are so many

people in England, so many different nations and skin colours and I have

never read so many bad stories about them as about Polish people. It is

impossible that we are so bad and everyone else is awesome and great.

It is also not true that we are great and everybody else is bad. We

are just people and you cannot put the blame on just one nation. But it

is true, I believe it is easier to blame somebody who is European,

white and Christian than anybody else because then you avoid

problems. When we heard the news about Brexit we started to consider

our future as well and we started to think about it and we are still

thinking about it. Do we see ourselves here and do we want to

raise our children in a country where they will be considered as

somebody unwanted? I have a friend who is a teacher in a primary school

and one child told her, go back to your country, nobody needs you here.

I am not sure if I want this future for my child. I live in a very safe

area and I cannot say anything about the people here in the area where I

live, bad things, but that is this thought, do we really want to stay

here? From Royal Tunbridge Wells to the Polish capital Warsaw. This

29-year-old moved back to Poland a few months ago after working as a

cleaner in Bath for a couple of years. TRANSLATION: I am interested

in politics, but my main interest is in aviation, both civilian and

military aviation. I left Poland by the UK after my sister persuaded me

to move there. It was the standard of living and higher wages that

convinced me to move. I arrived in the UK and the next day I started

working in a hotel. I worked there until I returned to Poland. I also

found myself another job, an afternoon job, in addition to my

main job. I was so busy that I did not have much time for any private

life or hobbies. I was just so busy with my jobs that I never had a free

moment and when I did I was just resting. There were some English

people working in the hotel, but they only stayed for two weeks or a

maximum. After that they would go, it was enough for them, they quit.

There was no chance for us to learn English because we spoke only in

Polish between each other. We learned basic English expressions to

communicate with the general manager of the hotel. It was fine, the

management had no problem with as speaking Polish all the time among

ourselves. It is very hard to learn English if you are in a community

where everybody speaks only Polish. The main reason for my return was

Brexit and the fact that the general mood changed after the referendum.

Until then it was calm, there were no problems. It is hard for me to

say what it is like now because I am no longer there. In general, you

could feel that Polish people were no longer wanted. That was the

outcome of the referendum. People were teasing Polish workers, not

accusing them, saying they took English people's jobs. But everybody

knew the English would not do the jobs we were doing, so, in fact,

nobody was stealing the jobs, but we were still being blamed, that is how

it was. I have got a new job here and I start working soon. It is an

office job. I do not know if I am missing anything from the UK. But

there is something that draws me back. It is possible that I will

return to the UK one day, we will see. Never say never, time will

tell. We'll be talking more about this

later on the programme. We'll hear from two

Poles still living here, and the Liberal Democrats who say

Eastern Europeans who are already living here should be

guaranteed to be able to stay Ian on Facebook sets, they take our

jobs and I do not know one builder who is not fed up with the Eastern

European 's who undercut them from pay. One other, I like them, they

are good people. I have no problem with them who work hard and pay

their taxes. People who do not accept the outcome

of democracy are probably people we should not accept in Britain anyway.

Another person, the Polish feel unwanted and have reported crimes.

Still to come, a humanitarian disaster in a country

devastated by a war, are we taking enough

notice of the suffering of thousands of people in Yemen

Also coming up shortly, we'll be talking to the family

of a grandmother facing deportation back to South Africa,

who says she should be allowed to stay in the UK

Here's Anita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

The NHS is falling well short of its target for recovering

the cost of treating overseas patients in England,

The National Audit Office suggests the health service will lose out

on almost ?150 million a year, which could mostly be claimed back

In a report, it highlights wide variations between health trusts

and says staff should be more aware of who should be

What was more variable was how aware staff were about the cost recovery,

and about whether they thought they had a role in it.

So, for example, 58% of hospital doctors were aware that some

patients were chargeable, and I think it was 45%

The Royal Bank of Scotland has announced a loss of ?469 million

in the three months from July to September,

more than double the amount expected.

The bank received a ?45.5 billion bailout during the financial crisis

and is still largely owned by the Government.

RBS also confirmed it will miss next year's deadline for the sale

but says it's still in the process of transforming the bank.

We will have more on this story shortly.

The Government's denied that Nissan was offered compensation

to build two new models at its factory in Sunderland.

The company had been reviewing its investments in the UK,

But it announced yesterday it was reinvigorating its investment

following support and assurances from the UK.

Nissan says the company received no special deal

and the Business Secretary, Greg Clark,

insisted there is no financial incentive.

He will be appearing before the Business Select Committee to explain

the terms and this Nissan received. Police in Scotland have given more

details of a man they are searching for in connection with the attempted

murder of two police officers. David McLean, who is 30 years

old and from Glasgow, and the public

are advised not to approach him. Two police officers were injured

on Sunday evening in a hit-and-run incident

in the northwest of the city. This morning MPs are debating

whether councils should be forced They're deciding whether to change

the law and make it compulsory for councils to offer accommodation

to anyone who finds themselves without a home, regardless

of whether they're seen Delegates from 24 countries and the

European Union had agreed to create the largest marine reserve in

Antarctica. An area of more than half a million

square miles in the Ross Sea will be protected from

commercial fishing and mining. The region is home to

a diverse range of species, including Adelie penguins

and minky whales. That's a summary of the

latest BBC News, more at 10:00. Why is Bangladesh dominating the

opening day of the second test against England in Dhaka. The home

side have moved on to 201-4 as they try to level the series. Tammy Mick

Balmain a century for Bangladesh, English bowlers have it all to do.

-- time in eight valve. Andy Murray has received the final

of the yen Open. Drug testing at the Rio Olympics had serious failings

according to the World Anti-Doping Agency. Independent observers

reported that many athletes targeted for testing could not be found. And

Formula 1 is in Mexico this weekend, some drivers have been getting into

the spirit of the local Day of the Dead celebrations. Nico Rosberg

could win the title this weekend. What is going on with RBS? It is

still 73% owned by the Government and is trying to reach a condition

where bits of it can be sold off, but today it reported a ?469 million

loss, more than double what was forecast. It is going to miss a deal

to sell the Williams and Berlin network, part of the terms of the

bailout it received. Investors have reacted positively, though, with

shares up 5% in early trading. How do we explain all of this? It

compares with a massive profit in the last quarter. The whole story is

yes but, lots of on one hand it is bad, on the other hand are not quite

so bad. Last year they made a profit but it was largely due to the fact

that they sold off a bank in the United States, and that gave them

slightly inflated profit. The figure they would like us dilettante is

operating profit, once you take away all these extra costs that have been

loaded on them. -- they would like us to look at. That comes out at

over ?1 billion, and they say this is for ? the year, they say they

have been making over ?1 billion every quarter. They do have this

enormous loss, and they have what are known as legacy issues, all the

things left over from the collapse of the financial market. In terms of

getting into a shape where it can be sold off, how is that looking? The

shares took a bit of a punishing at the Brexit referendum, it is very

much domestically focused now, and one of the reasons we have seen the

FTSE ricer much is because of the devaluation the pound.

RBS is not in the same situation, and as a result of that its shares

have taken a bit of a hammering. They did rise when these figures

came out, they rose quite rapidly, up about 4%, and then they seem to

have tailed off again. It is going to be a long time, I think, before

they finally get around to the position of selling them back to the

public. They also have this retail bank which they say they are going

to sell off, originally to Santander, now Clydesdale Bank,

which was putting in an offer. But they said today that it is unlikely

they will sell it by the end of 2017, and that date is important

because the EU commission said they had to sell it by the end of 2017.

Now they are saying they cannot. Whether they will be fined, that is

anybody's guess, they have already delayed the sale. They were told to

sell it in 2013, whether they will get fined now, probably not,

actually. Thank you very much for explaining all of that, thank you.

Some breaking news, we are hearing that a teenage boy has been found

dead in a fire in a shed in South Yorkshire. The body of a 13-year-old

boy was found near Doncaster as the fire was put out. Firefighters were

called to the blazed at about nine o'clock yesterday evening. -- blaze.

A joint investigation between the Fire Service and the police is under

way to establish the cause of the fire, so wait 13-year-old boy found

dead in a For our next story, we will be

showing you some shocking images of starvation that might not want

small children to see. Over the last few weeks these images

have been coming out of Yemen. Thousands of people there

are suffering from acute malnutrition basically

they are starving to death. One such image is this

photo of Saida Baghili. She is an 18-year-old woman

from a small village which is experiencing a severe

humanitarian crisis. If you're first response to Yemen

is "Where?" and then "Why?" then please have a look at the film

we're about to show you. Saudi Arabia, which borders Yemen,

has been accused of killing hundreds of civilians and

purposefully targeting hospitals and airports in its war against

the Houthi rebels in the war. Oxfam has now accused the British

government of acting immorally We can speak now to Hussain

Albukhaiti, a journalist in Yemen who is sympathetic

to the Houthi rebels. we have the deputy chief executive

of Oxfam, Penny Lawrence, who is critical of our government's

response to the crisis. And Saleh Saeed, who's chief

executive of the Disasters Emergency Committee and a Yemeni

community volunteer in the UK. thank you all very much for joining

us, distressing, shocking images emerging - how common is this? How

long has this been going on for? Because it is obviously, as we are

saying, only very recently that the world is waking up to these images.

This image, I think they have been in Yemen in real life for 15 months,

the war has been for 18 months, and those images are coming from a

coastal area that depends 100% on fishing. From the first attack, from

the first day of the war, the Saudis have destroyed the fishing ports and

targeted all the fishing boat in that area. So they have lost their

income on the first day of the war, but for it to come just now, because

I think this is because of the Saudi and international blockade, and the

media blackout in Yemen, because we know there are no flights coming in,

and if it comes, it has to come through Saudi Arabia, it would need

permission from Saudi Arabia, and many foreign journalists have been

turned from coming into Yemen. So it was a country that was struggling,

and then the war over the last 19 months has made everything worse.

Yeah, exactly. This is what happened in Yemen. Before the war, it was one

of the poorest countries in the world, one of the poorest in the

region, in the Middle East, so this war has come to put more pressure on

Yemeni people. And as well, because of this blockade and what has

arrived at the border, it is hard for Yemeni even to go somewhere, or

to go outside, claim asylum, because we are surrounded by enemies, and

the only country that is close to us, Somalia, that country has its

own problems, and the blockade has come really, really bad. I lived in

Sana'a, which is much better than other areas, but we have not had any

electricity for 18 months, we have not had running water for 18 months,

and everything, people has to buy it themselves, even they have to pay to

buy electric generators or solar panels, the people who can afford

it. But for other people, they are struggling in just finding something

to eat. And according to the latest numbers from Unicef, 14 million

people have food insecurity, so 14 million people in Yemen, sometimes

they do not know if they will have food today or not. And this is a

huge problem, the crisis that we have in Yemen it is directly

affected by the Saudi blockade. Over 100,000 children under the age of

five have suffered through severe malnutrition. So this 18-year-old

Saida Baghili that you showed in your report, this is one of these

100,000 people in Yemen, especially kids and the age of five, and this

is according to Unicef's latest number. You are with the Disasters

Emergency Committee, you are from Yemen - how worried are you about

what is happening in your country? Very concerned, this disaster

started way before the war, Yemen was going hungry before the war, and

the war has exaggerated the situation. We have been seeing these

social media pictures for many months now, and now they have

reached the mainstream media, more people are getting worried. Up and

down the country, Yemeni communities are fundraising, mobilising to try

to raise awareness, raise funds and try to end this war. Why has it been

so hard to raise awareness? Yemen is competing with many other poor and

devastated areas - Syria quite rightly has been dominating the news

with the refugee crisis, with the terrible situation in Syria. Chad,

Nigeria, other places, so much news competing for each other. Yemen is

an obscure, little-known place in the world, and sadly it is often

described as a forgotten crisis. I think it is an ignored crisis, in

that we need to realise we need to act now and not wait for more

terrible images of the poor young lady we saw, 18 years old, in that

terrible state. There are over three and 70,000 children in that

condition in Yemen as we speak today. -- 370,000. Penny, you are

with Oxfam, what can aid agencies do to help? We have been working in

Yemen, one of the agencies of the Disasters Emergency Committee, for

many years, we are reaching 1 million people at the moment with

food and cash, where we can, because keeping the markets open is

important, even though food prices have gone up by 60% in the last few

months. And 90% of food is imported. Yes, it is totally reliant, 90% of

food was imported before the war, and because of the Saudi blockade on

the ports, you know, no food is getting through. So the people are

suffering because their livelihoods have gone, and now because emergency

food is also affected. But it is the world's biggest humanitarian crisis,

so it is fantastic that you are drawing attention to it. You are

critical of the British Government response to the crisis, what is your

concern in particular? The British Cabinet is one of the most generous

when it comes to aid provision, but it is conflicted by the fact that it

is selling arms to the Saudi coalition. -- the British

Government. The Saudis, ?3 billion worth of arms have been sold to the

Saudis, and they are using those arms against civilians in this

brutal war. Hospitals, schools, a funeral where the Saudis apologised

- they admit they are violating international humanitarian law,

using British weapons. Britain was one of the real drivers behind the

arms trade treaty, which it is now violating.

Yes, it is completely immoral and it is illegal in terms of law? Do you

believe civilians are being deliberately targeted? Of course,

over 10,000 civilians have been killed. There is no military

installation next to them, so for the Saudis to say it is a mistake, I

do not think so. They have so-called smart bombs or guided bombs, given

to them by the British or the Americans, and they use drones to

check their targets and the targets are given by the US or the British

satellites. I do not believe they have targeted areas by mistake. Last

time they targeted a hospital and they said they did not target it at

the beginning, but they had the coordinates of that hospital. It is

the third time they targeted a hospital in that area. They want to

drive them out of that region and they have succeeded. All the staff

have been withdrawn from three of the hospitals in that region. What

would you like the British Government to do? The British

Government and all governments should stop taking part in the

conflict. We are pointing fingers at the Saudis and the Yemeni government

and all powers who are part of this conflict need to put their arms down

and buy food for the population. It is wrong to say this is just a

2-party conflict, there are many parties in this conflict. We have to

help people with food and not bombs. Even if the war stopped tomorrow,

which it will not, what either needs of the Yemeni people? What is the

situation there? Sadly we have left it too late to help some of them,

but we have to send aid as quickly as possible and that includes urgent

food and water and sanitation and the health system is on the brink of

collapse, if it has not already collapsed. The Red Cross and others

are all working, and they have the capacity to expand their work, the

issue is funding. We talked about the embargo, but food is getting in

and supplies are getting in, the issue is people cannot afford to buy

those supplies and the aid agencies do not have enough funds to supply

the whole population. Only the needs of a small percentage is being met

at the moment. No one on earth should be starving, the Western

authorities if hundreds of billions all over the third World every year.

The image we saw in particular of Saida Baghili, who is 18, in such a

desperate plight, do you think that will help? Sadly we get shocked by

these images and aid agencies often get criticised for using images like

these to shock people into giving. We have been warning about this

crisis for over one year. We do not want to see these images, we want to

avoid situations like Saida Baghili who are on the brink of death before

people act. We have to make sure there is a political solution, which

is the ultimate aim, and there has to be an increase in humanitarian

aid. We need to mobilise the public in the UK to stand up and say,

enough is enough, but also the media needs to shine a spotlight. The BBC

has been doing a good job, but we need it to be sustained in order to

raise that awareness and hopefully there will be a difference.

Still to come: We'll be talking to Uber drivers just after ten

about whether they should get basic employee rights ahead

of the tribunal this afternoon which will decide.

Later today, the family of a sick 73-year-old woman from South Africa,

will deliver a petition to the government protesting

Irene Nel came to the UK to visit her three children who live

here when she became ill with kidney failure.

Her doctor has warned it's not safe for her to fly,

and her family argue the plane journey home could kill her.

Their petition to keep her here now has more than 100,000 signatures.

Irene is here now with her daughter Desree Roberts.

Thank you both for coming in. Tell us first of all why you think you

should be able to stay in the UK. Why? I have got all my kids here, I

have got all my grandchildren here and I would be all by myself in

South Africa. Well, I am not well. Tell us about your health issues. My

health issues? Dialysis? I am on dialysis three times a week. I do

not find it nice, but they are very good to me, they are absolutely

fantastic, and that makes me live longer. The NHS? Oh, yes. What

treatment have you had and how long have you been having that treatment?

About three and a half years, isn't it? Yes, that is right. Three and a

half years. You came on a six-month Beazer in 2012 and you never left.

Why did you not go home? When I came here and I was fine and I took ill

with a chest infection and they took me to hospital. But I did not get

better. They diagnosed me with kidney failure. How long had you

been here when you were diagnosed? About two weeks. It was about two

weeks. You came here as a visitor. Did you ever expect or want to stay?

I never thought I would stay here, no. I was thinking, I have to go

back home. That is what happened. The Home Office has said it

carefully considers all cases on their individual merits and your

mother cannot state. Why shouldn't she go back to South Africa? She has

got three children here and it is our responsibility to look after our

mother and she has got nothing in South Africa. Besides, the emotional

care and providing support for her, and she does not have any support at

home and she will not get dialysis in South Africa. If you are over 60,

they do not give you dialysis, so she will die. It is a decision of

her staying with her family, being looked after, or going back to South

Africa to her death. To me that is not a decision. And considered all

of those arguments and while not commenting on this case, it says it

looks very carefully at individual circumstances as she cannot stay.

Obviously by staying, it costs the NHS money. People might say why

should that be the case? He played along it to them it is costing the

country. How do you justify that? He is my mother, I have been here for

17 years, I class myself as British and I have been here long enough and

me and my brothers are taxpayers. It is our responsibility to look after

our parents. But you have paid in for any needs you might have, but

your mother has not paid in. I understand that, but you are facing

the inhumane thing of sending her back. Imagine putting her on a plane

and saying, goodbye, and two weeks she passes away and that is what

will happen. What will you do? The Home Office says she cannot stay.

This is why we are here fighting our case and we have had overwhelming

support. People say it is not right. They say you should not have the

choice of living with you or her going back to set Africa to die.

There is no option. When she came she came on a tourist Visa and did

not expect to stay. So what happened? She did not have a

situation where she had a home that she owned or anything like that, my

father had passed away a long time ago and we funded her. But when she

got ill, there was no way she could have looked after herself, she had

no pension. We knew in the future we would have to look after her, but

not to the extent that she had an illness as well because we had no

idea until she came here that she had a kidney problem. When she came

here with a chest infection, this was not a situation we planned and

we said, we will get her to the UK to get treatment. Some people have

said that. We took out insurance every single time she came here and

the paper her for a certain period of time, but that stopped because it

is dialysis and they said she had to go back. But she cannot go back to

the kind of care she needs now. Why not? There is no support strategy,

she would need 24 hour care and somebody to take her to dialysis and

back and we would have to find her a home. If this had happened prior to

her coming here, you would be in this situation with her in South

Africa and you would have had to find a way to deal with it. We would

have had to have faced the fact that she would have passed away. Over

here she is under my roof, we can feed her and give her shelter and

transported to and fro, but in South Africa we would not have any of that

access. Excuse me, they do not give you dialysis in South Africa over

65. It is 60. 60-65. You have got siblings, you are all working, could

you pay for that privately to be done in South Africa? We have looked

at it and we have calculated everything and you cannot fund it,

it is too expensive. Over here, feeding her, giving her a roof over

her head, transporting her to and fro. The alternative is the NHS

paying. Yes, they do and in South Africa we would have to cover all

those expenses and we can do both. It comes down to why should the NHS

pay? That is what people are asking, so why should they pay? For us it is

an emotional decision, it is my mother. As a family we feel strongly

we live in this country and the government talks about having a

social responsibility towards your family and that is how we feel. We

have a social responsibility to look after my mother, regardless of

whether she used to live in South Africa. Her children are here now

and this is where her support is. Not only physically, it is mentally

as well, her being around her children and her family.

her being around her children and her family.

"All cases are carefully considered on their individual merits,

in line with the immigration rules and based on the evidence

"The decision made on this case has been upheld

by an independent tribunal which considered the full range

Let's catch up with the latest weather. Some amazing pictures from

Dorset the mist going over a cliff. We had some fantastic pictures

yesterday and at this time of the year we see radiation fog. That is

because at this time of the year we have got longer night and

high-pressure, clear skies and light winds. That is why it makes fog like

this. But it is very heavy and thence with all that cold air, so it

is falling off the edge of a cliff into the warmer air in the sea.

More broadly how are things looking? We will see less mist and fog over

the next few days. For many of us it is a more quite

picture. This was what it looked like this morning in Stirling and it

is similar across many parts of the country. The best of the brightness

of this morning is in northern areas. In the south we have a bit

more cloud in Wales and the south-west of England. And improving

picture as we head through the day. This is four o'clock in the

afternoon. Temperatures about 12 degrees in Northern Ireland. A few

showers in Scotland in the north, but it is looking dry and bright

right through the day. Those bright and sunny spells continue as we head

into northern England. In the South East it is warm with temperatures up

to around 16 degrees. Light winds and dry weather stay with us as we

move to the south-west of England. The dry and settled weather is set

to continue throughout the weekend. Hello, it's Friday, it's ten

o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme if

you've just joined us. Coming up before 11: Uber drivers

find out this afternoon if they will get basic employee

rights like the minimum wage Also today, should councils do more

to help the homeless? MPs debate today whether local

authorities should be forced to find accommodation for anyone

who finds themselves without a home, regardless of whether

they're seen as a priority case. The social media app Vine is popular

for creating short, sharp comedy, is using it to connect

with the public. We'll be talking to internet

sensation PC Walsh, Don't forget to get in touch with us

about everything we are talking about.

Here's Annita in the BBC newsroom with a summary of today's news.

The NHS is falling well short of its target for recovering

the cost of treating overseas patients in England,

The National Audit Office suggests the health service will lose out

which could mostly be claimed back from European governments.

In a report, it highlights wide variations between health trusts

of who should be billed for healthcare.

What was more variable was how aware staff were about the cost recovery,

and about whether they thought they had a role in it.

So, for example, 58% of hospital doctors were aware

and I think it was 45% of hospital nurses.

The Royal Bank of Scotland has announced a loss of ?469 million

in the three months from July to September,

more than double the amount expected.

The bank received a ?45.5 billion bailout during the financial crisis

and is still largely owned by the Government.

RBS also confirmed it will miss next year's deadline

for the sale of its Williams Glyn branches

but says it's still in the process of transforming the bank.

A teenage boy has been found dead in a fire

South Yorkshire Police said the body of a 13-year-old boy

was found in the shed in Campsall near Doncaster

Firefighters were called to the blaze last night.

Formal identification has not yet taken place,

and a joint investigation between the South Yorkshire Fire Service

and police is under way to establish the cause of the fire.

The Government has denied that Nissan was offered compensation

to build two new models at its factory in Sunderland.

Nissan says the company received no special deal,

and the Business Secretary, Greg Clark,

insisted there is no financial incentive.

This morning the chair of a parliamentary group of MPs

to appear before the Business Select Committee

to explain what's been said to the car maker

in terms of the support and assurances it said it received.

Police in Scotland have given more details of a man they are searching

for in connection with the attempted murder of two police officers.

David McLean, who is 30 years old and from Glasgow,

and the public are advised not to approach him.

Two police officers were injured on Sunday evening

in a hit-and-run incident in the northwest of the city.

This morning, MPs are debating whether councils should be forced

They're deciding whether to change the law and make it compulsory

without a home, regardless of whether they're seen

And at 10:30, Joanna will be talking to a homeless couple

along with a charity and councillor trying to deal with this issue.

West Ham say it has identified 200 people involved in violence

that broke out at Wednesday night's game with Chelsea.

Three people have been charged by police in connection

with the trouble that broke out towards the end of the game.

Coins, seats and other objects were thrown

As Halloween approaches, fire chiefs are warning there've been

no improvements to safety laws for fancy dress costumes.

Children's costumes are still classified as toys rather

Fire officers want them to meet the same standards

because of the risk if they're touched by a naked flame.

Advice to parents is to ensure kids know how to stop, drop and roll

After years of talks, delegates from 24 countries

and the European Union have agreed to create the world's largest

An area of more than half a million square miles in the Ross Sea

will be protected from commercial fishing and mining.

The region is home to a diverse range of species,

including Adelie penguins and minky whales.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9:30.

Lots of you getting in touch about the interview that I just did with

Irene Nel, about being told she has got to go back to South Africa. She

is having dialysis treatment in the UK, having arrived on a tourist

visa. We have one person getting in touch saying, my children have gone

to New Zealand, we all know this is going to arise one day. If I went on

holiday there, I would not expect them to fund my expensive medical

care. Your children make this decision, they need to sort it out.

Do get in touch with us on everything we are talking about.

If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

We'll start with the cricket, and Bangladesh were completely

dominating the opening day of the second test against England

in Dhaka, but they've lost five wickets for 31 runs

It has completely been turned on its head.

Having won the toss, the home side are now 205-6

eventually bowled by Moeen Ali, who's now taken three wickets.

England's bowlers will look to have them all out on day one,

having been well off the pace just a hour or so ago.

Andy Murray will play American John Isner

in the quarterfinals of the Vienna Open tennis later today.

Murray beat Gilles Simon in three sets to

It takes his unbeaten run to 12 matches.

Murray could become world number one if he wins in Vienna

as long as Novak Djokovic doesn't reach the semifinals in France.

Drug testing, at the Rio Olympics had serious failings,

according to the World Anti-Doping Agency.

Their independent observers reported that many athletes

targeted for testing couldn't be found,

and on some days half the tests were cancelled because of that.

Wada found a lack of coordination among the management team

in the Rio 2016 anti-doping department.

And Formula One is in Mexico this weekend,

where the drivers' championship could be decided.

Nico Rosberg leads his Mercedes team-mate

and reigning champion Lewis Hamilton by 26 points.

Rosberg says he's paying no attention

It is exciting to be in this championship battle with Lewis

towards the end of the season. You know, we have been a funds before,

but anyways it is very cool, and that is it. As I have said before,

my way of achieving the best possible performance is really just

to focus on the things that I... Things which are within my control,

and in Mexico that is trying to win the race, and that is it. Rory

McIlroy has played himself back into contention at the World Golf

Championship is Shanghai, a six under round of 66 included this

birdiable asked to move to under overall. -- including this birdie at

the last. And the Sir Bradley Wiggins and Mark Cavendish remains

second overall after day three of the six day London Cycling

Championships in Lea Valley. They failed to win any races, including

the final one, which saw Wigan is upset with his pace for not going

quickly enough. But they cumulated enough points to hold their position

in the standings. The headlines for you at 10:30, see you then. Lots of

you getting in touch on the interview I did with Desree and

Irene, she needs dialysis treatment she came here on a tourist visa, the

Home Office says she has to go back to South Africa. Maria says, it is

very sad this old lady is ill, but many people travel here for

treatment accompanied by medical staff during the flight. The fact

that South Africans do not allow dialysis for older people is not a

reason for her to stay. The logical conclusion would be that every

elderly patient would come here for treatment. Lucy says, one of her

kids should care for her, I have had my benefits stopped because of

austerity, we should not care for the rest of the world, as we seem to

be constantly doing. My mother has dementia, she has no care, it is all

left up to me, we're British going back many generations. Another

person says, might and and uncle went back to South Africa in the

1970s, but we saw them gradually come back, demanding support for the

NHS, support agencies, housing suitable for their need. South

Africa was a land of riches and opportunity until bad health hit.

And Andrew says, to even think of sending this old lady back to South

Africa when the Government is taking in and told numbers of refugees is

ridiculous. Let us know what you think about this next story as well.

-- and A group of Uber drivers who have

been fighting for more rights will find out this afternoon

whether their case The drivers, who are being helped

by the GMB union, say they should be classified as workers rather

than self-employed - and be given entitlements

like minimum wage and paid holiday. it'll have implications for many

more unemployed workers. Uber, on the other hand,

argues that the majority of drivers value being self-employed

and the flexibility that brings. we will talk more about it in a

moment. spoke to one of the drivers

involved in the case last year. The flexibility is really great.

You know? You can switch on the app

and work whenever you want. You can stop whenever you want

and go home. is that if you're not working,

you're not earning. The earnings are so much lower

than I expected, and it's really starting

to bite now. My average net in July was ?5.03

an hour, well below minimum wage. So if you want to cover your costs

and keep the family afloat, But at the end of the day

it's your choice, right? you could work for somebody else,

get another job? But Uber has so aggressively come

into the market, I think those opportunities to work for other

operators are rapidly evaporating. Many of our drivers have moved

from traditional jobs where they had to work prescribed shifts

and certain number of hours a week and it was difficult

to take time off, and they've chosen to work with Uber

because of that flexibility. The fact that you can work

literally whenever you want, that the majority of Uber drivers

are really looking for. and have rights like holiday pay

and the minimum wage? is something that we look at

very, very carefully. What we find is that most

of the drivers using the app actually take home

around ?15 or ?16 an hour. Obviously their costs vary hugely,

depending on whether they rent or own and a number of other

factors, but the majority of them are actually making around

?10 or ?12 an hour, We can now speak to Nigel Mackay

from Leigh Day solicitors, who represented the drivers

in the case, Steven Rowe and Asif Hanif

are both Uber drivers. Thank you all for coming in. Nigel,

first of all, two drivers involved in this tribunal, but the

implications could be much wider than that. How important is this

case? I think this case is really important, because what it is

looking at, the fundamental thing about the case, is whether people

who work for technology companies, in this case Uber, should be

entitled to the same basic workers' rights as everybody else. And what

we are saying is that there is no reason why they shouldn't be, just

because it is a technology company, just because you communicate with

your employer through an app does not mean you lose all those basic

workers' rights. And if you actually look at the way Uber operates, we

think it is just wrong that they miss label their drivers as

self-employed, when actually we think it is a typical working

relationship in terms of the control that Uber exerts over its drivers,

and the fact that it is Uber that controls the relationship with the

customer, and the appraisal system that it uses. You know, there are

lots of different factors like that which suggested that this is really

just a normal working relationship, and I think it is really important,

given the growth of the so-called big economy, that this question is

decided. Asif, you think you should be treated as employed by Uber, why?

Definitely, this is about the working environment in this country

which we have achieved after a struggle of more than 100 years. We

are talking about workers' rights in this country, and when the workers,

those working on the ground, they have made an enormous amount of

profit for these companies, they should contribute towards their

responsibility in the country that they are operating in. We are not

about the drivers, we are about all the whipping class in the country,

in British society, that these companies, they are taking advantage

of the opportunities here in Britain, they should also respect

the law of the land and fulfil their responsibilities.

When you went to work for them, you knew the terms you were working

under. These terms were not there, we were only considered as partners.

Partners for what? Since then we have only been communicating with

them through e-mails. In this time in the world there is a need for a

human presence, but there is none. The customers have spoken to us and

they like us, but they want to know what the drivers are feeling. You

are a driver and you do not want to be treated like an employee.

Absolutely not, I am self-employed and I control the hours I want to

work and if anyone is employed, I employ them, they get me business,

they take a fair slice of the earnings, it is equivalent to

anywhere else in the industry. It never occurred to me that I was

anything other than self-employed. The main reason people say they

partner with Uber is because they can become their own boss and they

pick their own hours and two thirds of these drivers have been employed

by another company. This case has got nothing to do with flexibility.

If it suits them, it is fine with the GMB, it is fine with Uber and

the customers. But this is a straightforward battle about

exploitation and that is what we need the court to decide on, whether

or not these people are workers or genuinely self-employed. You are

concerned with them not getting the minimum wage. Absolutely, it is

about people getting what they are statutorily entitled to as a

minimum. If they do not get it, it is a race to the bottom where people

are driven down to the bottom not by human management, but by an

algorithm. All the costs go back onto the individuals and that result

in damage to the economy because Uber does not pay taxes as it should

do if it was employing these people properly as workers. That is picked

up by taxpayers and the state. How do you respond to that? With

incredulity. You get no benefits. I never expected to get benefits and I

have been using the app for four years. I am a self-employed person.

It suits me down to the ground. I am not just a Uber driver, I am a user

as well. I went out yesterday evening and I took a Uber car where

I was going on took one back. All the people who use the card seem

happy. What about the minimum wage? Uber is saying most people make ?10

to ?12 an hour after costs. One complainant is saying they are not

getting this. I have no complaint with what I earn and the percentage

that Uber takes. My brother is a driver and he has no complaints, he

is very happy. I do not see it. I never have anything but good

experiences. You make more than the minimum wage? The question is about

being self-employed and how can I be self-employed when I am not

controlling it? I am not interfacing with customers and I am not getting

the money from them. I do not know their pick-up and destination. I am

doing the job, I opened the up and Uber controlled the app and they did

take to me where to go. Also this ratings system, how can I be self

employed when things are not at my discretion, it is controlled by

them? The customers pay Uber and Uber pays me. This boils down to

legal arguments. What has to be proved on each side? The first point

is I would agree with Justin, this flexibility point which Uber has

repeated. It is not really the issue that we are saying the drivers are

worker and that does not mean they cannot work flexibly. All we are

saying is that drivers should be entitled to the minimum wage and a

holiday. Why would you not want to pay your driver is the minimum wage?

Uber says the majority are making ?10 to ?12 an hour. We have spoken

to lots of Uber drivers and that is not the experience we have been

hearing. Uber is not paying the drivers. The money and they get a

fair percentage would taking the risk from dodgy credit cards and

they pass the money over to me. They are not paying me, they are

collecting the money on behalf of the people I drive. How would it

feel if they found the model was wrong? I would be concerned because

there would be change in how it works. I would be concerned I would

not have the ability to work whatever hours I want and whenever I

want and it would affect Uber passengers. Most Uber drivers I have

met are perfectly happy. When you say it would affect passengers, with

the prices go up? They would have to go up. Because people would pay

properly. What do you mean properly? The government would set the minimum

wage that people would actually have to be paid. But I am not employed, I

am a self-employed businessman who chooses to use the Uber app because

it gives me the flexibility to own money as a part-time job, as a

part-time source of income, to work along with the other things I do.

That does not reflect the reality of the situation. It is right that Uber

labels them as self-employed, but that is a misrepresentation when you

look at the facts on the ground which is all about the way Uber

exerts control. How do they exert control? They run an appraisal

system. That works two ways. They do not tell you where customers want to

go. If you are self-employed, you get to control all that. First, the

appraisal system works both ways. We appraise passengers as well. The

appraisal system is great because it weed out any drivers who are not

giving good service. In the early days you did not know where your

last job was going to be and they brought in something where you can

put in the app where you only want jobs going in a certain direction.

You know the jobs you get will be going towards your home. What you

have said about the appraisal system weeding out drivers is a typical way

an employer acts. That is the way somebody running a business acts,

they employ people. We get the judgment later. What happens

whichever way it goes? We'll both sides appeal? If we win, which we

are hoping we will, the net take how much drivers should be paid in terms

of the minimum wage, and also dealing with the question of

holidays. Obviously Uber will have the right to appeal if they can find

an error in the judgment. If we do not win, we will be scrutinising the

judgment to see whether we can appeal. It is such an important

issue. Thank you all very much. We asked Uber to come on the programme,

but they declined saying they would not speak before the judgment.

Welcome to the world of the courier driver, says one tweet, this issue

has been around for years. Keep getting in touch with us.

Stil to come: The NHS is losing out on hundreds of thousands of pounds

every year because it is failing to collect money from foreign

We'll be talking to a Health Economist about

We have been looking at the impact of the Brexit on citizens from

There's about one million Polish people living and working in the UK,

and many of them have decided to pack up their lives and leave

A poll conducted among Britain's Polish community

suggests that after Brexit, nearly a quarter of Poles here

wanted to move away from the UK - either back to Poland

Many say they're being driven away by the reported rise in hate crimes

directed against Poles since Britain voted to leave the EU.

Erika Benke met two Poles who have decided to move from Brexit Britain.

She went to the Polish capital, Warsaw, to speak to a young man

She's lived in Poole for the last seven years.

Until four months ago, she worked in a food

When United Kingdom opened the job market in 2004,

we thought it will be good chance to improve our life.

But we didn't aim to come here to live on benefits,

to have everything for free, to beg on the street

No, we were prepared to come here, work hard and be normal

And we are very pleased to be integrated with Brits.

Brits, they don't want to integrate with us, because they think

we are invaders and we want to take something from them.

No, we don't want to take, we want to give.

Brexit has got her thinking about uprooting her family.

When we've heard the news about Brexit, we started

Do we see ourselves here, especially raising children?

Do we want them to be raised in a country where they will be

For example, I have a friend, she's a teacher in a primary school,

and one child told her, "Go back to your country,

I'm not sure I want this future for my child.

And, of course, I live in a very safe area.

And I can't say anything bad about people here

in the area where I live, but there is this

thought, do we really want to stay here?

He moved back to Poland two months ago after working as a cleaner

TRANSLATION: In general, you could feel that Polish people

That was the outcome of the referendum.

People were teasing Polish workers, not accusing them, saying they took

But everybody knew the English wouldn't do the jobs we were doing.

So, in fact, nobody was stealing the jobs.

It's possible that I will return to the UK one day.

Here to talk more about this is Joanna Mludzinska, the chair

of the Polish Cultural Committee in Hammersmith, and Baroness Sarah

Ludford who speaks on Europe for the Lib Dems in the House

of Lords, and Kuba Kurpanik in Aberdeen who's a businessman.

Thank you all very much for joining us. Do you feel a valued part of the

community? The people we were talking to in our report really do

not. Obviously I am born here, so I have been part of the British

community all my life. But particularly in London there is not

that same feeling. Certainly in our Polish Association, you remember we

had graffiti a couple of days after Brexit and we had the most fantastic

response from the community with people coming in with flowers and

cards and several hundred e-mails from all over Britain saying, we are

sorry this has happened. I do not think you feel that so much in

London, but it is very sad that people in your film have felt this,

that they want to go back. Are you coming across many who feel that

way? No, I do not think I have come across that many people who think

that in Britain. People think differently. Some people have been

here for ten or 12 years and they are settled and their families are

here and their children are going to school and they want to stay. Other

people, like that young man, they have only been here for two years

and it is not the same, so he will go home. But it is very sad that

people should take what comes from one or two people, the minority, as

the feeling of the British public as a whole because I do not think that

is true. It is certain individuals, and I know that can be very hurtful

if somebody says directly to you, why don't you go home? We voted for

you to go home. But I think people should think about the fact that the

majority of the British public do not feel like that. What we need is

a government statement to say, they will not be sent home and they will

be welcome and we have not had that yet.

Liberal Democrats, including other politicians, believe that it would

be both economically and morally the right thing to do for the Government

to say that EU migrants who are legally resident here will be able

to stay post-Brexit, and for the Government to say, we're going to

use these people as a bargaining chip in Brexit negotiations, or as

Liam Fox, trade Secretary, has said, we are going to play this card, it

is both economically unintelligent, because such a big contribution is

made and also that economic sectors, and very much so in the NHS and in

social care, but also it is morally wrong to leave people in limbo,

unsure. It is part of the whole Brexit uncertainty, if you like, so

it doesn't fill me with humanity and decency to have all this up in the.

But also remember it is a two way street, because there are a couple

of million Brits living in other EU countries who are in a similar state

of uncertainty. If the British Government were able to give that

unilateral guarantee, we would inject that degree of certainty

which are both economically and morally right. As a Pole living here

in the aftermath of Brexit, what is your perspective on all of this?

Good morning, first of all, thanks for having me. What I think is that

it is the uncertainty which is the main thing, I would say. As a

people, we're a normal people, we have plans, and we would love to

have plans for our future as well, and without knowing what is going to

happen with, you know, the Brexit issue, we are not able to make good

plans for us. This impacts for like self-development or how our

companies will develop in the future, all very simple things, like

having a car loan, or getting a mortgage for your family. Those kind

of questions, we are asking ourselves if those decisions are

good for us, because we're not sure what is going to happen in the next

year or two or three. We have no information what it is going to be

like after the Brexit. That is the main thing, I think. How does it

make you feel, then? Does it make you feel sure about staying here?

Well, I think it is more about... Let me start by saying I am very

grateful, you know, I have this ability to be here and work here and

be part of this community, be part of the United Kingdom in the first

place, and I am making a lot, getting very much from you as well,

and that is why I think it is very important to understand that we are

creating, we are giving something to you as well. And it was not actually

good for us, for me and my family, for a couple of days after the

Brexit referendum, because we were so uncertain about what was going to

happen, whether we will be kicked out or not. I am here only two

years, so I am not entitled to apply for British citizenship. I was not

sure about that. We have kids, and they are going here to school. They

are having friends as well. If we will be asked to move, it will make

an impact for our kids as well, and we were thinking about this as well

- this is so unfair, because we are trying, as Poles, we are trying to

follow the rules that are here, we are trying very hard to integrate

ourselves as far as possible following your rules. And from this

point, not knowing what is going to happen just makes us feel that it is

a bit unfair. Thank you very much for joining us, thank you. Let's

catch up with the news with Annita. The NHS is falling well short

of its target for recovering the cost of treating

overseas patients in England, The National Audit Office suggests

the health service will lose out which could mostly be claimed back

from European governments. In a report, it highlights wide

variations between health trusts of who should be billed

for healthcare. The Royal Bank of Scotland has

announced a loss of ?469 million in the three months

from July to September, more than double

the amount expected. The bank received a ?45.5 billion

bailout during the financial crisis and is still largely

owned by the Government. RBS also confirmed it

will miss next year's deadline for the sale of its

Williams Glyn branches but says it's still in the process

of transforming the bank. The Government has denied that

Nissan was offered compensation to build two new models

at its factory in Sunderland. Nissan says the company

received no special deal, and the Business Secretary,

Greg Clark, insisted there is

no financial incentive. This morning the chair

of a parliamentary group of MPs to appear before

the Business Select Committee to explain what's been

said to the car maker in terms of the support and

assurances it said it received. in a fire in a shed

in South Yorkshire. South Yorkshire Police said

the body of a 13-year-old boy was found in the shed in Campsall

near Doncaster Firefighters were called

to the blaze last night. Formal identification

has not yet taken place, and a joint investigation between

the South Yorkshire Fire Service and police is under way

to establish the cause of the fire. join me for BBC Newsroom

live at 11 o'clock. It's been a brilliant last hour

for England's cricketers in Dhaka. After a slow start,

they've reduced Bangladesh to 231-7. Moeen Ali led the fightback,

taking three wickets. Andy Murray's reached

the quarterfinals after a three-set win

over Gilles Simon. It takes Murray's unbeaten run

to 12 matches. He is trying to close in on the

world number one spot, that could happen at the Paris Masters next

week if Novak Djokovic does not make it to the semifinals.

Drug testing at the Rio Olympics had serious failings,

according to the World Anti-Doping Agency.

Independent observers reported many athletes targeted

And Formula One is in Mexico this weekend,

into the spirit of the local Day of the Dead celebrations.

The title could be decided this weekend.

Nico Rosberg leads Lewis Hamilton by 26 points.

More sport on the BBC News Channel throughout the day, Joanna.

There's been a lot of talk about so-called health tourism,

specifically to get free treatment on the NHS.

But this morning, the national accountancy watchdog says

there is a problem with the health service

not getting paid for foreign patients.

It's not health tourism necessarily, it's people who live here

from the EU who get NHS care which can then be billed

to the governments of their native countries.

The trouble is we're not doing it enough, apparently,

and that's ?150 million a year the NHS is losing.

he's a professor of health economics at the University of York.

Thank you very much for joining us. How clear and easy is the system?

Well, it has changed over time. Basically, in April 2015, the

Government introduced new arrangements will be covering the

costs from people who were using the health service who were not resident

in the UK. Some of those arrangements are pretty easy to

implement and very difficult to Obeid, and most of the increase in

funding that we have received from those arrangements. There are other

arrangements that are more difficult to implement, so the ones that are

easy, which have been easy to implement for those who are coming

to the UK and will be staying here for more than six months. For those

people, they have to pay an annual health surcharge to cover the

expected costs of care while they are in the NHS. So when you apply

for a visa, you have to pay ?200 for every year that you are going to be

here, and you will not get your visa until you pay that money. So people

have had to pay that, and that accounts for the majority of the

increase in money that we now receive from people who use the NHS

from overseas. For people here for less than six months, they do not

pay a surcharge. There is not a visa for them. And it is those people

that it is more difficult to get the money from. And they fall into two

types. There are people from the European Economic Area, who have

European Health Insurance Card, so when they go to hospital, they are

asked to present their card, just as if we went to hospital in another

European country, we have to present our card. And if you present the

card, the hospital then has to take the details, and we then build the

European country for the cost of their care. Other people from

outside the European Union are asked to provide details of their address,

and in the hospital then has to try to issue a bill to them for their

care, and then we have to recover the costs, basically send them a

bill and chase of payment. And it is those people, in particular, that it

is going to be difficult to get the money back from. Is there much

evidence of health tourism, people specifically coming here in order to

use the NHS? It is very difficult to know the numbers of people who are

from outside of the UK who are using the NHS, it is difficult to get the

absolute numbers of non-residents using the NHS, and where they are

from. And of those, what proportion are coming specifically to use the

NHS? There are no details on people coming to live in to the UK for the

sole purpose of using the NHS. It would be very difficult to get that

information, short of anecdote, and there are no statistics on people

coming here just for that sole purpose. People using the NHS who

are from other countries, they have accidents, they are here for some

period of time, and they fall ill and need to use the health service,

it is those people that the arrangements are targeted at. Thank

you very much for joining us, thank you. Thank you very much. Still to

come, the social media app Vine is closing, we will speak to a police

officer who has been using it to fight crime.

This morning, MPs are debating whether councils should be forced

They're deciding whether to change the law

and make it compulsory for councils to offer accommodation

to anyone who finds themselves without a home,

regardless of whether they're seen a priority case.

The idea was put forward by one MP who's concerned that

those who aren't seen as high risk and vulnerable are being ignored.

Government backing for the bill came amid concern over increasing levels

of homelessness fuelled by housing shortages, rising rents,

insecure tenancies and cuts to housing benefit.

Last year we met one woman, Mateasa Grant,

who, because she was single and over 18,

was refused help by her local authority.

and at the end of 2013 I found myself homeless.

So I went to the local authority first thing in the morning,

I was feeling quite confident that I'd be given the steps to get help.

And the guy called me over, said, "So what are you doing here,

then, to get yourself kicked out? What was it you done?"

Straight away I'm on the back foot. I felt defensive.

I don't want to tell this guy my story, because

if he's laughing at that, where is this help really coming from?

There's so much more I could tell you about my experience.

I don't want to go into all the details,

but I know I should have been given help,

Well, unfortunately, we find that your experience,

We sent undercover reporters into housing offices,

and in our experience over half of them were sent away

And this is the 21st century, and we're finding that people

like you are being sent away to sleep on the streets

even when you're clearly incredibly vulnerable.

What should happened is, first of all, they should treat

you like a human being and treat you with some courtesy.

Then they should make an assessment of your needs

to establish whether you're what they call priority need.

And whether you're priority need or not, they should still provide

you with advice and assistance in finding somewhere to stay.

I decided to give local authorities a test

by pretending to be homeless to see if this time they'd help me.

I visited five local authorities across the country,

but was treated differently in each place.

You either are homeless or you're not.

Every authority told me I wasn't a priority,

Hearing it over and over was demoralising.

Basically, you're not a priority need for us.

In the end, none of the local authorities found me

That means along with my own experiences of homelessness

and wherever I've gone, I just wasn't a priority.

I thought everyone would be considered a priority

You have to be vulnerable, at the end of the day.

Steve and Rebecca are currently homeless, they've been unable

to find any accommodation they can afford.

Andy Faris was homeless for six years,

and says he struggled to get help from his local council.

Maeve McGoldrick is from the homeless charity Crisis.

And Councillor Ed Turner joins us from Birmingham,

Thank you all very much for joining us. Stephen and Becky, I mention you

had been living on the streets since February. Tell us about what

happened. How did you end up on the streets? Basically it was a bad

landlord. Well, it was a mistake agent basically. We had already been

there for a whole year. Nothing wrong with it, no trouble, so as

soon as we got a good reference to move on we moved out like we were

supposed to, it was on time. A couple of days later someone else

moved into the flat, so he lied to us. And left you with nowhere to go,

trying to get help. What help did you get? Basically we went to our

local council in Bournemouth. We didn't get help from them. They

palmed us away and said we were not vulnerable enough and we could go to

a doctor and get a sick note for anxiety and depression which both of

us have. They would not help us, but they did not tell us there is a

referral where you can be placed in past. We were on it for six months

and I became quite ill. Then I was placed in an emergency

bed-and-breakfast. At that stage you were more of a priority. She had to

end up in hospital for them to help. Crisis works with the homeless. Is

this a typical story that you hear? That people are not vulnerable

enough to get help? Sadly it is and it is one of the reasons why Crisis

was set up to help people get help from their local authority. Today

this is being debated in the House of Commons and the Bill will seek to

reform the legislation to address this problem. How would it work

exactly? It would not force councils to find housing necessarily, but

forced them to give good advice. At the moment we have a system, but not

all local authorities are like this, some are more advanced, but you have

a situation where you have a disparity of support depending on

where you go for help. Quite often you fall under what is called

priority need and you are more than likely to be turned away. Not even

any basic advice? On occasions it could be an outdated leaflet, and

number exist. There is very little support that can be received. But

the bill is being discussed today and if it is passed, the changes

will mean local authorities will have to offer more support to people

if they become homeless, to help them secure somewhere. Would it put

a financial burden on the local authorities? No, because it will

bring in a prevention of duty, which will mean people have to engage with

people for up to 56 days before they become homeless. In Wales there has

been a 69% drop in homelessness acceptance because of this

prevention activity. You are the Local Government Association Housing

spokesperson. What do you think about local authorities being forced

to give that sort of support by law? First of all counsellor, but as a

human being, I feel very distressed to hear stories like those we have

heard from Steve and Becky. It is something we are confronted with

increasingly because homelessness is on the up. We have to see this as

part of a bigger picture. There are many causes of homelessness. If this

legislation goes through, it is important councils are given the

tools to help people and that means access to property people can

afford. We were hearing from Crisis saying it would not put a financial

burden on local authorities and in the long run it saves money because

it prevents people from becoming homeless, which makes you wonder why

is guidance not being put out there? Why were Becky and Steve not given

basic guidance? There are a couple of things. Some councils will go the

extra mile to help people and this would give them extra duties which

would bring an extra cost which would be funded by government. But

the bigger picture is not the advice the councils give, it is how the

councils help people into accommodation. In my own home city

of Oxford I looked yesterday and there was not a single one-bedroom

property or a shared house affordable to somebody on benefit.

Additionally councils are required to sell off council property when

they become available under new legislation. What we need is people

on housing benefit has to be linked to what has it actually costs, so