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The NSPCC opens a hotline for victims of sexual abuse | :00:08. | :00:19. | |
in football as the FA urges more men to come forward. | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
The former Manchester City and England player David White | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
is the latest former professional to go public. | :00:24. | :00:25. | |
I salute Andy Wood, Steve Walters and Paul Stewart for waving | :00:26. | :00:35. | |
anonymity in order to reveal their personal tragedies. | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
The family of one of the young men murdered by serial killer | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
Stephen Port tell us they hold the police partly to blame | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
for assuming he'd died of a drug overdose. | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
These people that didn't do their job, in our eyes they are partly | :00:49. | :00:59. | |
responsible. That is how we feel as a family because they played a part | :01:00. | :01:00. | |
in it. The latest figures on violence | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
at football matches We'll talk to one fan who's been | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
banned from matches. We're live until 11 | :01:05. | :01:14. | |
every weekday morning. Could deaths from drugs like ecstasy | :01:15. | :01:27. | |
be reduced if users could get them tested or would that just encourage | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
more people to take them? We'll have a special | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
report from Switzerland where government-approved testing | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
is widespread and there are fewer If you're getting in touch do use | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
the hashtag VictoriaLIVE. If you are texting you will be | :01:38. | :01:45. | |
charged at the standard network rate. | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
Our top story today: A helpline has opened this morning for footballers | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
who have been victims of sexual assault. | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
It's being run by the NSPCC and has the backing | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
Four former players have now gone public to say | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
The charity and the FA strongly suspect more people have been | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
targeted in the past and are urging others to speak up. | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
I knew that I had to tell my story and the truth | :02:05. | :02:12. | |
about what happened to me as a youngster. | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
I hope the football world are listening to this. | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
The painful accounts of careers overshadowed, | :02:21. | :02:34. | |
And over the last week, more have come forward | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
Steve Walters was Crewe Alexandra's youngest player. | :02:39. | :02:46. | |
Last night, David White, former Man City and England player, | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
They say they were victims of coach and scout Barry Bennell, | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
a paedophile jailed in the late '90s. | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
But abuse in football is thought to have been much more widespread. | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
The game has that duty of care to explore what did happen, | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
why it was allowed to happen and the numbers and to make sure, | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
at least, that if there was not that care for those youngsters | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
then, that there is now and that's put in place. | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
So now a new helpline provided by the NSPCC, | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
What we want to do is to change the culture in football. | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
We want men and young boys who may have been victims of sexual | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
abuse to feel that they can adequately come forward, | :03:33. | :03:34. | |
The police are already dealing with complaints in double figures. | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
Dan is here now. Where are we up to with the numbers of those that have | :03:42. | :03:56. | |
come forward to talk to us, newspapers and Cheshire police? We | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
know that the police are dealing with 11 complaints now. The | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
professional footballers associations say they have spoken to | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
more than ten former players who have made complaints. Four people | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
have gone public, waving their rights to anonymity. After Andy | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
Woodward spoke to you in the studio last week, we have had complaints | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
from Steve Walters, the youngest ever player for Crewe Alexandra, and | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
he said he was also abused by Barry Bennell, the coach and scout at that | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
time. And David White telling his story to the papers last night, the | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
former England and Manchester City player, saying he was subjected to | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
abuse at the hands of Barry Bennell. Paul Stewart has given his account | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
of abuse at the hands of another coach. These stories are emerging | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
after many years. Hence the hotline. Yes, that is what the NSPCC are | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
launching today. They are working with the Football Association to | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
give a dedicated hotline open 24 hours a day for anyone who may have | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
experienced abuse or had suspicions about what was going on in football | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
clubs in the 80s, 70s, the 90s. There are experts and former players | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
will be able to get the advice they need and they will be able to | :05:09. | :05:22. | |
pass on the evidence to the police to help with their investigation | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
which seems to be growing and unfolding. Barry Bennell also | :05:26. | :05:27. | |
coached Gary speed when he was a young boy. When he was Wales | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
manager, he took his own life. Have his family said anything about the | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
latest revelations? They have not said anything in the last week. It | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
is five years since Gary Speed took his own life and at the inquest this | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
connection with Barry Bennell was brought up at that time and there | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
were questions about the relationship they had had at the | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
start of his career. Barry Bennell admitted that Gary Speed had stayed | :05:48. | :05:50. | |
at his house at that time but his family said there was no evidence to | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
suggest that Gary Speed had been a victim and police that he was not | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
part of the investigation which resulted in Barry Bennell going to | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
prison and there is no reason to think the connection with Barry | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
Bennell could have led to Gary's death, but it has been raised again | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
as all these stories are coming out. It looks like this investigation | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
will grow and grow and we are sure to hear more stories of people who | :06:14. | :06:24. | |
have suffered doing football. Thank you. That is the NSPCC hotline. And | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
Steve Walters, who came forward to the Guardian this week after hearing | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
Andy Woodward's account, will be on this programme tomorrow at 9:15am, | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
giving his first television interview. Now the rest of the | :06:39. | :06:39. | |
morning's news. Good morning. Ministers have defended gloomy | :06:40. | :06:47. | |
independent forecasts for the economy published | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
in the Chancellor's Autumn Statement, in the face of fierce | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
criticism from some Conservatives. Several prominent backbenchers | :06:52. | :06:53. | |
have attacked the Office for Budget Responsibility | :06:54. | :06:55. | |
for predicting that leaving the EU will cost Britain | :06:56. | :06:57. | |
about ?60 billion over five years. Here's our political | :06:58. | :06:59. | |
correspondent Ben Wright: The summer's referendum | :07:00. | :07:08. | |
was months ago. But the decision to leave the EU | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
will shape politics And the short-term outlook | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
is gloomy. The Chancellor headed to Parliament | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
to report slower growth and rising A ?60 billion hit to the public | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
finances because of Brexit. Our task now is to | :07:20. | :07:29. | |
prepare our economy to be and match fit for the transition | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
that will follow. The government hasn't decided | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
what sort of trade deal it wants to try and strike with the EU | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
after we leave and there is huge Some Tory MPs said the numbers | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
were far too pessimistic. The OBR are probably | :07:46. | :07:52. | |
still quite wrong about 2017. Their borrowing | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
forecast far too high. And we will get good access | :07:55. | :08:03. | |
to the single market The Chancellor has given | :08:04. | :08:05. | |
himself room to borrow more Labour said the government's | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
economic plan had collapsed. After all the sacrifices people have | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
made over the last six years, I fear today's statement has | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
laid the foundations Beyond Brexit, there | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
are other political question What about the government's | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
promise to raise the state The Chancellor said the triple lock | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
guarantee was safe until 2020, but the costs of an ageing | :08:29. | :08:36. | |
population could mean The Autumn Statement had no new cash | :08:37. | :08:38. | |
for the NHS or social care and the funding of both | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
is a long-term headache But it's the impact of Brexit | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
that is going to keep the Chancellor More on what this means | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
now from Norman Smith Several pro-Brexit Conservatives are | :08:52. | :09:08. | |
saying this is just a forecast, not a fact. A furious row has broken out | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
over the OBR's assessment of what will happen to the economy, with | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
some in the Brexit camp saying it is far, far too gloomy. All the signs | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
are that people are still spending, the economy is doing better than | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
expected, and this is more of what became known as project fear. The | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
Treasury on the other hand is standing by the OBR forecast, which | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
it has to be said is pretty dire, suggesting that debt will reach a | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
record level and the deficit is disappearing into never-never land | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
and living standards will fall and there will be a rise of unemployment | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
of 100000 and on and on. Now the Treasury are standing by this report | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
but what is striking is the extent to which the Autumn Statement has in | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
effect become round two of the Brexit referendum. Thank you. | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
Well, at 11:30am this morning on the BBC News Channel | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
you can put your questions about the Autumn Statement | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
We'll be joined by Mike Spicer from the British Chambers | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
of Commerce, the creator of SavvyWomen and personal finance | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
journalist Sarah Pennells and Hugh Stickland from | :10:24. | :10:25. | |
You can get in touch by text, email or on Twitter using | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
A health trust has apologised after shocking details emerged | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
of a series of failures in maternity care at two hospitals. | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
of Commerce, the creator of SavvyWomen and personal finance | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
An internal review at Royal Oldham and North Manchester General | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
hospitals was only made public after an investigation | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
The report describes one incident where a baby born prematurely | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
was left to die alone in a room used for waste disposal. | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
In another case a mother died after staff ignored her symptoms, | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
believing instead she had mental health issues. | :10:58. | :10:58. | |
The Pennine Acute Hospital Trust, which runs the hospital, | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
The police watchdog is investigating hundreds of allegations of police | :11:02. | :11:11. | |
failures relating to child sexual abuse cases | :11:12. | :11:13. | |
in England and Wales, according to figures obtained | :11:14. | :11:15. | |
New figures show 27 inquiries have been completed. | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
It could mean disciplinary action for up to 15 officers. | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
The Independent Police Complaints Commission says it continues | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
Martin Schultz says he will not seek re-election in January. He says he | :11:27. | :11:47. | |
will return to politics in his native Germany. It is widely | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
expected that he will challenge Angela Merkel in next year's general | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
election. His successor as European Parliament President next will be | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
appointed next year. The use of online dating sites | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
and apps has been associated with hundreds of cases of sexual | :12:05. | :12:07. | |
assault each year, according The warning comes after Stephen Port | :12:08. | :12:10. | |
was found guilty of murdering four The 41-year-old poisoned his victims | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
at his flat using Scotland Yard is now reviewing | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
a further 58 unexplained deaths There has also been a warning for | :12:18. | :12:32. | |
people to be more vigilant when meeting people online. | :12:33. | :12:34. | |
And we'll have more on that in an exclusive report, | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
Researchers say predatory bacteria, which eat others of their kind, | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
could be a new weapon in the fight against superbugs. | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
The studies on animals, acted like a living antibiotic | :12:46. | :12:47. | |
to help clear an otherwise lethal infection, and suggested | :12:48. | :12:49. | |
Experts say the approach was unusual but should not be overlooked, | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
as more levels of bacteria become resistant to drugs. | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
Nigel Farage has been celebrating at a party at the Ritz Hotel | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
He was presented with a plate of Ferrero Rocher chocolates | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
in reference to Donald Trump's suggestion that he would do | :13:06. | :13:07. | |
a great job as Britain's ambassador to the US. | :13:08. | :13:14. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 9:30am. | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
Thank you. Talking about dating apps now and we will bring you a special | :13:19. | :13:30. | |
film soon. Dating apps set you up for abuse because people think it is | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
opaque to belittle you. I would never use a dating apps and nor | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
should my gay friends because there are too many homophobic people out | :13:38. | :13:39. | |
there. Do get in touch with us | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria LIVE | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
and if you text, you will be charged Three British size in the Champions | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
League. How did they do? Yes, in short, Manchester City | :13:50. | :14:03. | |
and Arsenal are through to the last A 1-1 draw was enough for them | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
at Borussia Muchengladbach. And it means they've | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
reached the knockout stages of the Champions League | :14:12. | :14:13. | |
for the fourth consecutive season. They had to come from behind too, | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
David Silva pounced on a cross just before the break to earn | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
Pep Guardiola's men a point, and secure second place in Group C, | :14:20. | :14:21. | |
with a game to spare. We have a qualification in the | :14:22. | :14:28. | |
packet until February and now we can focus finally on just one | :14:29. | :14:29. | |
competition, the Premier League. Celtic didn't favour so well | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
in that group, though. They lost 2-0 to Barcelona at | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
Celtic Park. Lionel | :14:40. | :14:41. | |
Messi with both goals. Considering they lost 7-0 to Barca | :14:42. | :14:42. | |
last time out, that's But they are out of the competition, | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
and will finish bottom of Group C. Joining City in the last | :14:46. | :14:51. | |
16 will be Arsenal. But they might feel disappointed | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
that they couldn't wrap up a win against Paris Saint Germain to give | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
them a better chance of finishing top of the group | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
and a more favourable It was 1-1 at half time, | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
but a stroke of luck for the Gunners saw them go ahead | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
through a Marco Varatti own goal. But they suffered a taste | :15:08. | :15:10. | |
of their own medicine 20 minutes later when Alex Iwobi | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
conceded an own goal 2-2 it finished, and with one game | :15:14. | :15:15. | |
left to play, Arsenal They begin that third | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
Test in the early hours of Saturday morning, | :15:22. | :15:31. | |
having drawn the first, and having lost and been | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
outplayed in the second. They've been in the practice nets | :15:35. | :15:36. | |
today, and we're expecting a few Zaffa Ansari missed today's training | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
session with a back spasm Big-hitting wicketkeeper Jos Butler | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
looks likely to return - his first Test in 13 months - | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
to replace struggling Ben Duckett, who's made just 18 runs | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
in his last three innings. Stuart Broad is still dealing | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
with his foot injury so is likely to be replaced by Chris | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
Woakes who's been taking a look at the wicket they'll be | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
playing on in Mohali. With it being cooler in the | :16:00. | :16:09. | |
mornings, hopefully it might swing a bit, but I suppose that's probably | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
the most we can expect and ask for. The ends look like they've been | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
trimmed a bit more than the middle of the pitch so we expect it to spin | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
at some point, whether that'll be day one, not sure but it will at | :16:21. | :16:22. | |
some point. The family of a young man murdered | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
by the serial killer, Stephen Port, have told us they hold the police | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
partly to blame. Port was convicted of four murders | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
yesterday after a jury heard he'd targeted gay men on dating websites, | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
before killing them with lethal 17 officers are being investigated | :16:40. | :16:42. | |
over their handling of the case and Scotland Yard has | :16:43. | :16:50. | |
admitted it missed "potential opportunities" during | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
the investigation into their deaths. Dan Clark-Neal, a former | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
Metropolitan Police Detective, Dan, some of the failings appear | :16:57. | :16:59. | |
to be pretty shocking. Going back to the very beginning, | :17:00. | :17:07. | |
Port himself called police to say that a young man, | :17:08. | :17:15. | |
now known to be Anthony Walgate, was unconscious outside the communal | :17:16. | :17:18. | |
entrance to his flat. Days later he admitted that Anthony | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
had died in his flat and that he'd moved the body outside through fear | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
of being suspected of killing him. The issue is two more murders were | :17:31. | :17:44. | |
committed within the time that he was on police bail so he was not | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
linked to these deaths quick enough by the Police Service. Then you can | :17:49. | :17:54. | |
look at the third death of Daniel Whitworth, a suicide note was found | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
in his possession which turned out to be written by Stephen Port and, | :17:59. | :18:05. | |
in that note, which is alarm bells straightaway, Joe blogs off the | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
street could pick this up, he says, please don't blame the guy I was | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
with last night, it had nothing to do with him. That is the first | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
person you would go and find? Yes, who was that person. They didn't | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
check the hand writing on the note, didn't show that to the relatives of | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
Daniel Whitworth and the note was not examined for forensic evidence. | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
Port's DNA was found on that note eventually. Further to that, they've | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
been told by members of the families of some of the victims, the media | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
and also LGBT charity that these cases looked like they were linked | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
but still the police refused to link them. Ultimately Jack Taylor was | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
murdered when Port came out of prison having served four months for | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
perverting the course of justice and the question is, why was Jack Taylor | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
allowed to be in that position to meet Stephen Port because the | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
murders were linked. Extraordinary. The police have referred | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
themselveses to the IPCC, the Police Watchdog, over the way they handled | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
the case. What more can you tell us of that? 17 officers under | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
investigation, seven may lose their jobs if they are proven to be guilty | :19:17. | :19:23. | |
of gross misconduct. The question is, was there any homophobia | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
attached to the mistakes that police made, did they overlook things due | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
to homophobia within the service, that's one thing the IPCC are | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
looking at. The issue is, the cases should have been linked sooner but | :19:36. | :19:43. | |
they were not. You have got to know Jack Taylor's family, Stephen Port's | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
family pretty well. They live close to me, they are a close-knit family | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
and have clearly been shatter bid what's happened to them with the | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
loss of Jack. I went and met them at their home address recently in | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
Dagenham. Just fun to be around. | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
He'd do anything for anybody. Always laughing. | :20:04. | :20:10. | |
Always laughing and joking. He was like an older brother, | :20:11. | :20:12. | |
not a younger brother. Yeah, he looked after us as much | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
as we looked after him, he did look I mean, we try and smile. | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
Best we can. But then you find yourself | :20:19. | :20:30. | |
halfway through doing How Jack would have been, | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
what Jack would have said. And that's the bit that rips us | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
to pieces, don't it? Knowing my kids are going to grow up | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
not even knowing their uncle, apart from what I tell | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
them and what they see, they're not going to know him, | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
they're not going to see him. Am I right in thinking that Jack had | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
been out on the Saturday And he came back home | :20:55. | :21:17. | |
and your dad even saw him back So the last thing your mum and dad | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
knew was that Jack was home, but then on the following morning, | :21:24. | :21:30. | |
he wasn't in his room and it was then Monday, | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
late in the day on Monday, that you were told that | :21:35. | :21:36. | |
Jack had been found. I came out of college | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
and mum had called me. We had decided we would start making | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
some calls, because obviously, And then, obviously, | :21:43. | :21:50. | |
I'm still on the phone to my mum when the police turned up. | :21:51. | :22:02. | |
And initially I heard the police ask And then just heard mum I kind | :22:03. | :22:12. | |
of scream and I knew We were just told that Jack | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
was found up against And that he'd died of taking | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
a drug overdose. So, we knew instantly, | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
there was so much more to this. We just sat down and knew | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
that we had to look into it. We knew we had to ask | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
some questions. We, kind of went | :22:40. | :22:50. | |
through Jack's Facebook, To see if they had | :22:51. | :22:53. | |
seen him, spoke to him. We then went on the internet to find | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
out if there was any similar kind And that's when we found | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
that there was other people that had been found in very similar | :23:04. | :23:11. | |
situations in the same area. The stories you've found one | :23:12. | :23:14. | |
in relation to Anthony Walgate... ..Gabriel Kovari, | :23:15. | :23:16. | |
and Daniel Whitworth? And they all died in similar | :23:17. | :23:19. | |
circumstances to Jack over the course of a few months | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
in the summer of 2014. We addressed the police | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
with this, didn't we? We questioned it two or | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
three times. The same as we did with, | :23:33. | :23:35. | |
could Jack have been put there? Did they think Jack was | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
put there? Purely because we knew he wouldn't | :23:42. | :23:43. | |
have gone and sat there. They was just going to settle it as, | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
Jack had taken an overdose. It was seen as gay drugged men | :23:47. | :23:54. | |
in respect of, they'd just sat there, gone over there | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
for whatever they have, done an overdose and that's that, | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
like, as if it's normal. All these bodies appearing | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
is not normal, is it? We should have been grieving, | :24:07. | :24:13. | |
we shouldn't have been Yeah, we shouldn't have had to go | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
through all what we did, to prove that our brother didn't sit | :24:21. | :24:28. | |
there and do that. That should have been | :24:29. | :24:37. | |
somebody finding that out. It has to be unfortunately, | :24:38. | :24:54. | |
because much as we wanted to get to the bottom | :24:55. | :25:03. | |
of what had happened to Jack, we obviously didn't | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
want that to be true. That somebody has done | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
something to him. So, your perseverance, you feel, | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
led to the deaths being linked Yeah, we wasn't going | :25:18. | :25:20. | |
to stop, was we? We was never going to stop, | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
we had a pact. We'd sit up on the phone till five | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
o'clock in the morning, We just knew we wasn't | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
going to stop, we wasn't satisfied with them saying he took | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
an overdose, there was no way. He had to be brought | :25:37. | :25:44. | |
back up in December. And it was mixed emotion, | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
weren't it? It was obviously heartbreaking | :25:50. | :25:51. | |
to know that that Because, we, kind of, | :25:52. | :25:53. | |
felt Jack's gone through enough, we've gone through enough | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
at that point. But then to know if certain | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
things had been done, what was supposed to have been done, | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
when Jack had died, they wouldn't have needed | :26:05. | :26:06. | |
to disturb him like that. I mean, it's hard enough from mum | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
and dad's point of view. Because nobody, obviously, | :26:10. | :26:16. | |
wants to lose a child But then to be told they've got | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
to bring their child back up is obviously another | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
part of the nightmare. How's it been for you, | :26:28. | :26:39. | |
going through the experience It's just awful, it's | :26:40. | :26:43. | |
like a nightmare. It's just like everything we thought | :26:44. | :26:52. | |
is coming out in the court. Everything we thought had happened, | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
we've been told that did happen. You know, when you're told, no, | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
that's not the case, it's not the case, it's not | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
the case, and then you sit in a court and hear things come out | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
that you had asked so long It just highlights how much | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
we has to do. To get these answers to these | :27:14. | :27:25. | |
questions and for it to actually be He used to come in | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
here on the weekends. He used to come out here | :27:30. | :27:50. | |
all the time. What did it mean to Jack to have | :27:51. | :27:52. | |
this space within the house? To come in here on the weekends and, | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
like, just be himself We sit out there, having a drink out | :27:57. | :28:04. | |
there and we all come in here, You know, they always point out | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
Jack. What's your favourite | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
memory, Jeanette? What a great, amazing | :28:19. | :28:29. | |
person he was. It must have been tough for you, | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
as a fan, see the CCTV footage of almost Jack's final | :28:35. | :29:39. | |
moments with Stephen Port, So, yeah, | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
really hard. How do you feel about Stephen | :29:43. | :29:57. | |
Port, now? He's took things a way that | :29:58. | :30:07. | |
can never be replaced. And it's very hard sitting in a room | :30:08. | :30:32. | |
with somebody that's done that. You didn't get | :30:33. | :30:38. | |
an apology? Stephen Port might have | :30:39. | :30:47. | |
took Jack's life so, obviously, he's responsible | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
for Jack's death, that these people that didn't do their job in our eyes | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
are just as responsible. That's how we feel as a family, | :30:58. | :31:07. | |
because they played a part in it, If they'd done what they were | :31:08. | :31:10. | |
supposed to have done with the other poor boys, it's an awful way to say | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
it, but some of their lives You, as a family, when do you think | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
the nightmare will end, There's a saying that | :31:21. | :31:31. | |
things get easier I don't think there'll ever be | :31:32. | :31:41. | |
an easy side to this. I think we've lost touch | :31:42. | :31:56. | |
with what normal means. I don't think any of us | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
understands what normal means, If you're not thinking | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
about Jack not being here, And why they took him | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
and how they took him. What could have been done | :32:11. | :32:18. | |
to prevent him from being taken. It's a nightmare that | :32:19. | :32:26. | |
just doesn't stop. In a statement released | :32:27. | :32:42. | |
after the verdict, Commander Stuart Cundy | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
of the Metropolitan Police said, "The IPCC investigation is ongoing | :32:45. | :32:47. | |
and I can't pre-empt its findings but the evidence heard at the trial | :32:48. | :32:50. | |
did identify potentially missed Now we have the verdict I am | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
personally writing to each of the families of the four young | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
men who died as well as Daniel Whitworth's partner | :33:00. | :33:02. | |
to express our sincere condolences. The letters apologise to them | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
for those missed opportunities." And we'll bring you more | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
on this story after 10am. We will look in detail at the | :33:11. | :33:25. | |
government's spending plans and what they mean for you. | :33:26. | :33:29. | |
Should people who use recreational drugs like ecstacy be allowed | :33:30. | :33:31. | |
to get them safety-tested by government-approved labs? | :33:32. | :33:33. | |
One leading police officer thinks so. | :33:34. | :33:34. | |
After years of cracking down on football violence, | :33:35. | :33:43. | |
Home Office figures due out this morning will reveal if police | :33:44. | :33:45. | |
and clubs are continuing to get on top of the problem. | :33:46. | :33:48. | |
Certainly the past few years have seen a decline in the number | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
of incidents leading to banning orders, yet despite this some | :33:52. | :33:53. | |
matches are still marred by violent clashes between fans. | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
Amanda Jacks is a caseworker at the Football Supporters Federation. | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
Dougie Brimson is an author who has written about the culture | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
of football hooliganism and he's also the writer of the film | :34:02. | :34:05. | |
Green Street about football hooliganism in the UK. | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
In Newcastle is Superintendent Sarah Pitt from Northumbria Police. | :34:09. | :34:11. | |
Also here is Cal, who was given a three-year football banning order. | :34:12. | :34:18. | |
What was it for? It was an assault. Right. And you are in the second | :34:19. | :34:37. | |
year of this ban? Yes. It was an away game and I said I wasn't going | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
to drink that day. We got to the town and it was all going fine. | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
After the game I party said they were going to the pub after the | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
game, would you like to come? I didn't want to go back by myself. | :34:51. | :35:00. | |
After leaving there, we went to another place and we caught the | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
train home. During that journey home there was an altercation with the | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
train inspector. I didn't know this at the time, but somebody who bought | :35:10. | :35:16. | |
the tickets for the train bought a child's ticket and gave it to me. At | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
the time I didn't know. When the inspector came back he wanted to see | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
my ticket and I said it was in the other carriage. He went off there | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
and he came back. Someone from my party went after him. I said what is | :35:31. | :35:38. | |
the matter? They have taken the Railcard because of the child's | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
ticket. How did it end up in assault? I went to get the Railcard | :35:45. | :35:47. | |
and I verbally assaulted the train inspector and I put my hands up and | :35:48. | :35:54. | |
I shouldn't have let it happen. Said it was verbal abuse and not physical | :35:55. | :35:59. | |
assault? Because it was the last train going back to where I am from, | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
the police took me off the train and I was panicking. If they said I was | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
free to go, how could I get back? It was a long distance from where I | :36:11. | :36:17. | |
lived. I said what do I do? I was about to walk off and they grabbed | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
me and in the struggle, it was totally accidental because I was | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
trying to push my arms back. I understand but in the end you got a | :36:26. | :36:28. | |
football banning order because you had been at a football match hours | :36:29. | :36:35. | |
earlier 70 miles away? Yet. Did you think that was fair? No. When they | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
arrested me, they didn't know I was a football supporter until the day | :36:41. | :36:44. | |
after. Pursuing that, they threw the ban at me because I had the ticket | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
on me. What do you think of that, Amanda? It is quite typical. You can | :36:50. | :36:55. | |
have a football banning order if you have been arrested after an offence | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
24 hours either side of the match. 70 miles away from the game, it made | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
no difference. What the magistrate should have done on considering the | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
police's application would be to judge whether it would prevent | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
problems at football matches rather than problems on trains. The | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
districts do apply that test but many more don't. Whilst there are | :37:16. | :37:23. | |
undoubtedly people with football banning orders for affray, many more | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
have banning orders for non-violent offences, sometimes because they are | :37:29. | :37:31. | |
not represented in court and sometimes because the magistrates | :37:32. | :37:34. | |
don't apply the test they should apply. But of course there are | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
violent thugs that are subject to football banning orders and you | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
would say that is correct? Of course. You are involved in football | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
hooliganism when you were younger and you have written about it. How | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
has it changed? Hooliganism is a catch-all term and that is one of | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
the problems. This would come under hooliganism. It depends on people's | :37:56. | :38:04. | |
perceptions. If somebody is abusive towards you and you are not involved | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
in that culture, he is a hooligan as far as you are concerned, but it | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
encompasses everything from verbal to physical abuse. Hooliganism as a | :38:13. | :38:23. | |
culture evolves because of law and order and the way football has gone. | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
We have seen changes in football, the evolution of the Premier League, | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
and hooliganism and violence inside football ground has nearly been | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
fully eradicated now. But the culture which allows that kind of | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
anger, abuse, hatred, intimidation and violence, which allows it to | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
exist, it has continued unfettered. As we have seen at the London | :38:49. | :38:52. | |
Stadium this season and that other grounds across the UK, the threat of | :38:53. | :39:00. | |
violence continues to exist. Tonight Manchester United are playing the | :39:01. | :39:04. | |
final in the Europa League and the Greater Manchester Police have | :39:05. | :39:06. | |
already said the game will be accompanied by one of the biggest | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
anti-hooligan operations they have ever put in place. You did it when | :39:10. | :39:16. | |
you were younger. What motivates grown men, sometimes professionals | :39:17. | :39:19. | |
in decent jobs, sometimes with kids, to get into a fight with opposing | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
football supporters? When I was involved in it, I was in the | :39:25. | :39:31. | |
military. How is that relevant? I was a professional, in stable | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
employment. Doing a proper job. So what was motivating you? It is a | :39:35. | :39:43. | |
culture thing. It is like gang warfare, like being in a little | :39:44. | :39:46. | |
group of lads, going round the country watching football, often | :39:47. | :39:54. | |
involved... It is not just about violence. This is what people don't | :39:55. | :39:57. | |
understand. It is about banter, having a laugh, having fun, going in | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
and getting away from somewhere unscathed and undetected. It is like | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
miniature warfare, if you like. Like a game of chess involving rival fans | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
and the police. But at the end of it, it is about fun and it is | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
exciting. It is an adrenaline rush. Let's bring in the superintendent | :40:20. | :40:22. | |
from Northumbria Police. Thank you for your time. I haven't got the | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
figures yet and we are waiting for them from the Home Office and I | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
don't know if they have gone up or down. How do you think the police | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
have dealt with football violence over the years? How has your | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
approach changed? Particularly in the Northumbria force area, | :40:39. | :40:40. | |
particularly from 2013 we had significant violence derby match | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
between Newcastle and Sunderland, completely changed our approach and | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
very much now engage with fans, get them involved in the planning of | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
football matches, so they are involved in the way that we police | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
events. Sorry. I have just got the figures now. For the past year up | :41:02. | :41:06. | |
until August 2016, the number of banning orders being handed out has | :41:07. | :41:09. | |
declined again for the fourth year in a row. Just over 2000, a | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
reduction of 4%, but the number of arrests is up by 1%, about 1900 | :41:15. | :41:22. | |
arrests, just 22 more than the previous season. I think we have got | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
to understand that banning orders are part of a whole range of | :41:27. | :41:32. | |
guidance and action that we can take in and around football. It is one | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
option that we can utilise that isn't used in every arrest. We take | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
each individual case on its merits to put it in front of the court. Do | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
you think it is fair that someone can be involved in an altercation | :41:47. | :41:50. | |
with a train conductor at the next day the police find out they were at | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
a football match and then they are subject to a football banning order? | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
I find it difficult to comment on that because I don't know the exact | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
circumstances around that offence itself. Does it sound fair to you? | :42:04. | :42:15. | |
It doesn't. You are at the football stadium which got media attention | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
when inside people were chucking stuff. I don't think there was hand | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
to hand combat but you could correct me on that. Is that stuff going on | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
at the Premier League ground but it doesn't get the same attention | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
because that was a brand-new stadium and there was attention on it? I | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
think football reflect society and in society sadly there is still | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
violence and disorder. It is certainly not widespread. | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
Undoubtedly there will be some games where there are some incidents, but | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
the level of those incidents is generally quite low. Handbags and | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
posturing. I have seen it myself. You get a group of young men on one | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
side of the road and the police on the other and another group of young | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
men. Because there is a nice line of police in the middle, they use it as | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
an example to jump up and down and act stupidly. In the main, football | :43:04. | :43:08. | |
is an incredibly safe game. I don't have children but I have no | :43:09. | :43:11. | |
hesitation in taking my nieces and nephews to the vast majority of | :43:12. | :43:14. | |
football matches played in this country. Same here. I do have | :43:15. | :43:18. | |
children and they go to various grounds. West Ham. They do. Do you | :43:19. | :43:26. | |
regret what you got involved in and the impact this banning order has | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
had on you? You find it tough, don't you? The moment they said I had got | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
a banning order, that was it. It was all downhill from there. In what | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
respect? They put so many restrictions on you. Even though it | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
wasn't football violence, they decided to say, your town centre, | :43:46. | :43:49. | |
you are banned from that of a four hours before and after a game. If | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
someone says do I want to come out you have got to say you can't. I | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
can't go here or here. But the alternative was a jail sentence, I | :44:01. | :44:03. | |
understand. It is preferable to that. It was. It would have been | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
nice to have a chance not to get the jail sentence. When they said take | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
it or you are going to jail, it was... That was advice from your | :44:15. | :44:21. | |
solicitor? Records said you have got to bargain with us by accepting a | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
banning order or you are going to prison. -- the courts said. Thank | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
you for coming in. Coming up: After Andy Woodward | :44:30. | :44:36. | |
revealed his years of abuse at the hands of his | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
coach on our programme, a dedicated hotline for footballers | :44:40. | :44:46. | |
who have been victims of sexual assault has been | :44:47. | :44:49. | |
opened by the NSPCC. We'll be speaking to them | :44:50. | :44:50. | |
just after 10am. Should people who use recreational | :44:51. | :44:52. | |
drugs like ecstacy be allowed to get them safety-tested | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
by government-approved labs? Those in favour say the practice | :44:57. | :44:58. | |
would reduce deaths. Others believe it would simply | :44:59. | :45:00. | |
encourage more use. Now one of the country's leading | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
police officers, who specialises in drug prevention, has | :45:04. | :45:06. | |
told us the approach It's already being tried | :45:07. | :45:08. | |
in Switzerland where drug deaths Newsbeat's Jim Connolly has | :45:09. | :45:11. | |
this special report. While when you think Fabric, it's | :45:12. | :45:18. | |
probably not this but in September, the club closed after two | :45:19. | :45:22. | |
18-year-olds, Ryan Browne and Jack Crossley, died | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
after taking drugs inside. The club's owners have just found | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
out they've got their licence back, When it was closed, | :45:30. | :45:33. | |
we did a special, right from the heart of the club, | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
all about the future of clubbing. The subject of drug | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
testing kept coming up. How seriously do you feel the police | :45:43. | :45:44. | |
and the council are Right now, they're not taking | :45:45. | :45:46. | |
them serious enough. The tests show that | :45:47. | :45:51. | |
it is improvement. Like, gosh, where they are doing | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
the testing in Zurich, there hasn't been a death in seven | :45:58. | :45:59. | |
years since they've So, that's where we're going, | :46:00. | :46:01. | |
Switzerland. As mentioned, it has a very | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
different, more relaxed approach, For example, ecstasy | :46:06. | :46:07. | |
is illegal in the Swiss law, but it's not seen as a hard-drug, | :46:08. | :46:12. | |
like it is here. So, let's look at the figures. | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
Relatively speaking, the UK has more than twice as many | :46:16. | :46:17. | |
drug deaths as Switzerland. So, it's a Wednesday | :46:18. | :46:24. | |
in Bern Switzerland. Probably not what you're thinking | :46:25. | :46:26. | |
when you're thinking big nights out in Europe but people | :46:27. | :46:30. | |
here are getting ready for a Friday, They're going to be dropping drugs | :46:31. | :46:32. | |
off in this anonymous The only reason you'd know | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
what it is, is this Nick is one of the councillors | :46:37. | :46:43. | |
who runs the centre. This guy is the first | :46:44. | :46:47. | |
to drop off his drugs and he will get his results | :46:48. | :46:49. | |
on Friday afternoon. A short counselling session | :46:50. | :46:51. | |
is compulsory if you How does it feel talking | :46:52. | :46:53. | |
about your drug use? No, not that much because everybody | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
talks about that. So, everyone knows drugs and knows | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
how it is to be on drugs, Nick can't handle the drugs | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
being dropped off. What do you think | :47:07. | :47:12. | |
you've dropped off? You think you dropped | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
off an ecstasy tablet? So that I know that I don't take | :47:16. | :47:18. | |
anything that isn't good Ecstasy isn't good, | :47:19. | :47:31. | |
because it's a drug, At least there is not something that | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
shouldn't be in MDMA. Will you feel safer, | :47:36. | :47:40. | |
because of that drug being tested? As long as I know that it's ecstasy | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
and not something different, Because I already make the risk | :47:45. | :47:52. | |
that it could doing me 13 other people used | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
the service tonight. We came back at the end to see | :47:59. | :48:08. | |
what was handed in. Excellent, we look forward | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
to seeing it in the morning. It's Thursday and we've come to meet | :48:12. | :48:26. | |
Hans, who runs this drug-testing lab Hi, Hans, nice to meet you. | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
Hi. It tests anything from stuff you can | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
buy in your pharmacy, The testing is being | :48:34. | :48:36. | |
done today by Fabian. This is the pill we saw being handed | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
in last night. And now I'm going | :48:42. | :48:44. | |
to grind it in here. That's just to make it easier | :48:45. | :48:49. | |
to dissolve, is it? After turning the pill | :48:50. | :48:52. | |
into a powder, it's weighed, mixed with the solvent and put | :48:53. | :48:57. | |
in a glass tube ready to run through a liquid | :48:58. | :49:00. | |
chromatography machine. That will give us a reading | :49:01. | :49:02. | |
which Fabian can use to work out exactly what was in our pill and how | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
strong it is. While we wait for our results, | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
we had a chat with Hans. Some people would say you're | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
encouraging drug use, by giving people results | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
about what's in their drugs. Those people that show up | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
in our facilities, they already And with our programme, | :49:20. | :49:22. | |
we have here, I say, if we can just prevent one person | :49:23. | :49:33. | |
being brought to the emergency room of the hospital, | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
it's worth all the cost. In the UK, we've seen a real spike | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
in drug deaths connected to ecstasy. Just last year, | :49:44. | :49:51. | |
there were 57 deaths. In Switzerland, how many drug deaths | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
have you seen links to ecstasy? I have no information for this | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
in the last year that somebody died From your knowledge, | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
you can't think of any deaths You're going to get the results, | :50:05. | :50:10. | |
what have we found? Do we know how strong | :50:11. | :50:19. | |
that tablet was? And that is a very, | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
very strong amount? Yeah, we give a warning | :50:26. | :50:45. | |
when it's over 120 million You better ask that question | :50:46. | :50:49. | |
to my boss. Hans, tell me, we've just seen | :50:50. | :50:58. | |
a result there that doubled the amount you normally see | :50:59. | :51:00. | |
for a warning. Typically, if you took 60-80 | :51:01. | :51:02. | |
milligrams, you would experience How dangerous is that | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
pill, potentially? With one to 1.3 mg per | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
kilogram body weight, In this case, if you take a pill | :51:13. | :51:18. | |
like that and you have a body weight, a young girl of about 50 | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
kilograms, you are in We're just back from the lab, | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
we've got the printout of the pill that we actually saw | :51:29. | :51:35. | |
getting tested down there. They don't give this to the client, | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
they tell them the information because they don't want this | :51:40. | :51:41. | |
becoming an advert We've got a readout here of a 200 mg | :51:42. | :51:43. | |
of MDMA in that one tablet. If you bear in mind 60-80 mg to feel | :51:44. | :51:51. | |
a significant high, what we've got It's Friday afternoon and we've met | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
up with Nick again, we met He's now on stand-by for people | :51:55. | :52:01. | |
to call him and get the results. What was that conversation | :52:02. | :52:09. | |
you were having? I told him it was a | :52:10. | :52:18. | |
very high dose pill. Are you worried about his safety | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
because that's such a strong pill? It's just a very high dose, | :52:22. | :52:24. | |
it's not something different in it You just have to take a little part | :52:25. | :52:30. | |
of this pill, not the whole pill at the same time | :52:31. | :52:36. | |
or at the same night. This is Zurich, this | :52:37. | :52:45. | |
is the heart of Swiss clubbing. And this is a different | :52:46. | :52:50. | |
type of club. This is called High and they've got | :52:51. | :52:52. | |
a very open policy, really, Just over there, they've | :52:53. | :52:55. | |
done open drug testing, so people can come along, | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
drop off samples, get And then you'd generally got quite | :53:01. | :53:02. | |
an open, relaxed Let's head inside and have a chat | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
with the owner. I really think it's very good | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
for the people that they know, if they take something, | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
that they take good stuff or if it's very strong, | :53:14. | :53:17. | |
that they don't take too much. Do you think by having | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
what by British standards are very open drug policies, | :53:22. | :53:23. | |
the drug checking, that by doing that, they're taking | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
deadly substances and... But you could say in ecstasy tablet | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
could kill you. If it's too heavy, | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
of course. But, if you know this, | :53:36. | :53:37. | |
it's not deadly any more. For you, this is about giving | :53:38. | :53:40. | |
people information? But what do people heading clubbing | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
in the area think? When you have the possibility to use | :53:46. | :53:57. | |
the service, so you know And I think it's a better feeling | :53:58. | :53:59. | |
when you know what you take. I have one strict other website | :54:00. | :54:05. | |
where you can, like, if you buy If there's any dangerous drugs | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
around, they warn you it. I think it's a good cause, | :54:10. | :54:18. | |
I guess. It's your decision | :54:19. | :54:21. | |
if you take drugs. I think it's more safe if you take | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
drugs that are tested. Zurich has a collection of people | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
who represent the city's nightlife. How do places like Burn and Zurich | :54:33. | :54:35. | |
treat recreational drug use when it comes to things like harm | :54:36. | :54:42. | |
reduction and drug testing Drug testing is something integrated | :54:43. | :54:45. | |
in the whole approach. We start with a website | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
with information. Working together with the bar | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
and club commission here here, we are creating | :54:56. | :55:02. | |
a safer clubbing label. We are working together | :55:03. | :55:05. | |
with the hospital and ambulances. We think this is really important | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
to work together with the aim to make nightlife more pleasurable, | :55:13. | :55:18. | |
more healthy than it can be Why have you come to get it tested, | :55:19. | :55:21. | |
what reassurance will that give you? As long as I know it is ecstasy | :55:22. | :55:47. | |
as not something different. So, what are your initial reactions, | :55:48. | :55:53. | |
having watched that? We, of course, are very concerned | :55:54. | :55:56. | |
about keeping people safe, So, for me, some form of testing may | :55:57. | :55:59. | |
well be a really useful And I know it's been tried out | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
in a couple of sites and festivals in the UK, in conjunction | :56:06. | :56:10. | |
with local police forces. But we're not in the position | :56:11. | :56:12. | |
where we can endorse So, this guy, here, | :56:13. | :56:15. | |
who finished the piece off, one of the nightmares for Zurich, | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
he talks about working together. Do you think that really | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
that is happening in the UK, because we are struggling to get | :56:24. | :56:26. | |
the Home Office to even sit down We are in plenty of discussions | :56:27. | :56:33. | |
and we find it very helpful in terms And we've had some discussions | :56:34. | :56:37. | |
about festivals as well, What I'm going to do | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
is bring together a group We talk about festivals next year, | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
we need to get a move on and have a look at the way last | :56:48. | :56:53. | |
year, well, 2016, has gone. We've come back to Fabric, | :56:54. | :56:56. | |
to meet its boss, the day We sat in this venue a couple | :56:57. | :57:02. | |
of weeks after you were closed down, And everyone on the stage kept | :57:03. | :57:07. | |
talking about drug testing. There was a unanimous feeling | :57:08. | :57:10. | |
that this was the way forward. And I wonder if you feel that, | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
with all the restrictions that were placed on you yesterday, | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
whether we ever going You know, I was up in Manchester | :57:19. | :57:20. | |
last week at the Warehouse Project looking at Fiona Meacham's work | :57:21. | :57:31. | |
which is the back-of-house testing. Which is still obviously very | :57:32. | :57:34. | |
different to the front-of-house testing, which she had in place | :57:35. | :57:37. | |
at Secret Garden Party, and certainly what you | :57:38. | :57:40. | |
saw in Switzerland. I really like to think that's | :57:41. | :57:46. | |
going to happen in a UK venue. And I would have thought councils | :57:47. | :57:49. | |
like Manchester, who clearly are incredibly progressive | :57:50. | :57:52. | |
in their thoughts would be I hope one day I get | :57:53. | :57:54. | |
to see it in a venue. And then obviously the discussions | :57:55. | :58:03. | |
we can have in and around Fabric, but, you know, we're working very | :58:04. | :58:06. | |
closely with our partners in the Met to be pursuing | :58:07. | :58:09. | |
the goals we want here. So, our journey's ended right | :58:10. | :58:11. | |
where it started here at Fabric. And chatting to the owner just then, | :58:12. | :58:14. | |
it's clear he is happy to have his licence back, | :58:15. | :58:17. | |
but he's going to have to work under Conditions that seem a long way away | :58:18. | :58:20. | |
from what we saw in Switzerland. And over the next few months, | :58:21. | :58:24. | |
people both are there and here will be looking on to see | :58:25. | :58:27. | |
which approach keeps clubbers safer. If you want to share that film, go | :58:28. | :58:47. | |
to Radio 1 Newsbeat's site or the BBC News site. We are going to talk | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
more about that in the next hour of the programme. Time for the latest | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
weather now with Carol. Good morning. . Good morning. There will | :58:55. | :59:05. | |
be a lot of sunshine around after a cold start. For England and Wales, a | :59:06. | :59:10. | |
bit more cloud around than there is in Scotland. The breeze will help | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
break up the cloud through the course of the day and Well see sunny | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
or bright spells develop. We also have freezing fog and, if that | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
lingers, for example around Glasgow, temperatures will be well | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
suppressed. This evening, we hang on to the breezy conditions touching | :59:27. | :59:29. | |
gale force across the English Channel. An action replay of the | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
weather in the north tonight. We'll see some freezing fog. Further | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
south, a colder night than the one just gone, particularly so in rural | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
areas where we could have three or four Celsius. Because of the wind, | :59:42. | :59:45. | |
we shouldn't have any problems with frost here. Tomorrow, a breezy day, | :59:46. | :59:50. | |
sunshine on off, but across the far north of Scotland there is a weather | :59:51. | :59:53. | |
front and we'll see more cloud and spots of rain coming from that. Also | :59:54. | :59:57. | |
through the course of the day, we'll have some cloud drifting in from the | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
North Sea across north-east England, the Midlands and also to the east of | :00:02. | :00:03. | |
Wales. Yes, I do mean hello. I mean thank | :00:04. | :00:08. | |
you, Carol! The NSPCC opens a hotline | :00:09. | :00:17. | |
for victims of sexual abuse in football as the FA urges more men | :00:18. | :00:24. | |
to come forward after the bravery shown by Andy Woodward | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
on this programme. Andy Woodward has spoken out about | :00:29. | :00:35. | |
the abuse he received as a boy and he speaks to the FA in the next | :00:36. | :00:37. | |
hour. A senior police officer tells this | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
programme dating apps could be doing The warning comes after serial | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
killer Stephen Port murdered four We want people to get to know the | :00:43. | :00:50. | |
person, meet in public and stay in public until they are entirely | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
comfortable and I think some of these apps could take more | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
responsibility. And what does the Autumn | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
Statement mean for you? Our political guru Norman Smith | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
will break it down for all of us. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
with a summary of today's news. The Football Association is due | :01:08. | :01:20. | |
to meet Andy Woodward to discuss the allegations made | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
by former players It comes as the FA Ramsey to make | :01:23. | :01:36. | |
more action to prevent players are being abused. Four former players | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
have now gone public to say they were abused by coaches. The charity | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
and the FA strongly suspect more people have been targeted in the | :01:45. | :01:47. | |
past and they are urging others to speak up. | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
The government has defended gloomy forecasts for the economy set out in | :01:53. | :01:55. | |
the Chancellor's Autumn Statement, following fierce criticism from some | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
The Office for Budget Responsibility predicts that leaving | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
the EU will cost Britain about ?60 billion over five years. | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
But Philip Hammond said the government's aim was to continue | :02:03. | :02:06. | |
But it was good to prepare for a rainy day. | :02:07. | :02:14. | |
At 11.30 this morning on the BBC News Channel you can | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
put your questions about the Autumn Statement to a panel of experts. | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
We'll be joined by Mike Spicer from the British Chambers | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
of Commerce, the creator of SavvyWomen and personal finance | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
journalist Sarah Pennells, and Hugh Stickland from | :02:26. | :02:26. | |
put your questions about the autumn statement to a panel of experts. | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
We'll be joined by mike spicer from the british chambers | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
of commerce, the creator of savvywomen and personal finance | :02:35. | :02:36. | |
journalist sarah pennells, and hugh stickland from | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
You can get in touch by text, email or on Twitter using | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
put your questions about the autumn statement to a panel of experts. | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
We'll be joined by mike spicer from the british chambers | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
of commerce, the creator of savvywomen and personal finance | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
journalist sarah pennells, and hugh stickland from | :02:52. | :02:52. | |
You can get in touch by text, email or on Twitter using | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
A health trust has apologised after shocking details emerged | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
of a series of failures in maternity care at two hospitals. | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
An internal review at Royal Oldham and North Manchester General | :03:02. | :03:03. | |
hospitals was only made public after an investigation | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
The report describes one incident where a baby born prematurely | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
was left to die alone in a room used for waste disposal. | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
In another case a mother died after staff ignored her symptoms, | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
believing instead she had mental health issues. | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
The Pennine Acute Hospital Trust, which runs the hospitals, | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
The police watchdog is investigating hundreds of allegations of police | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
failures relating to child sexual abuse cases | :03:23. | :03:23. | |
in England and Wales, according to figures obtained | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
Research show 27 inquiries have been completed. | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
It could mean disciplinary action for up to 15 officers. | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
The Independent Police Complaints Commission says it continues | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
We all know that basketball players are tall but you'd need to be pretty | :03:36. | :03:43. | |
Australia's Derek Herron set a new world record for the highest | :03:44. | :03:52. | |
basketball shot by launching the ball from the top | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
It took just three attempts for Derek to hit the target. | :03:58. | :04:07. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
Imagine if the camera had not been working on that attempt! | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
Starting with Champions League football this morning. | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
Manchester City and Arsenal are through to the last 16. | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
For City, a 1-1 draw was enough for them at Borussia | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
And it means they've reached the knockout stages | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
of the Champions League for the fourth consecutive season. | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
David Silva pounced on a cross just before the break to earn | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
Pep Guardiola's men a point and secure second place in Group C | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
Celtic didn't favour so well in that group though. | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
They lost 2-0 to Barcelona at Celtic Park. | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
Considering they lost 7-0 to Barca last time out, | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
But they are out of the competition and will finish bottom of Group C. | :04:55. | :05:01. | |
Joining City in the last 16 will be Arsenal. | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
They might feel disappointed that they couldn't wrap up a win | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
against Paris Saint Germain to give them a better chance | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
of finishing top of the group and a more favourable | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
It was 1-1 at half time, but a stroke of luck | :05:15. | :05:17. | |
for the Gunners saw them go ahead through a Marco Varatti own goal | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
But they suffered a taste of their own medicine 20 | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
minutes later when Alex Iwobi conceded an own goal | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
With one game left to play, Arsenal will struggle to top | :05:30. | :05:38. | |
In cricket, England's men begin the third Test against India | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
in the early hours of Saturday morning. | :05:42. | :05:43. | |
They drew the first, and lost the second. | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
They've been in the practice nets today, and we're expecting a few | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
Jos Buttler looks likely to return to replace the struggling Ben | :05:49. | :05:58. | |
Duckett. Stuart Broad is still struggling with a foot injury so | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
Chris Woakes will likely come in to replace him. Scotland's men have | :06:02. | :06:11. | |
missed out on a place in the semifinals of the curling | :06:12. | :06:15. | |
championship, losing out to Russia. The women are through skippered by | :06:16. | :06:19. | |
Eve Muirhead. They have won all eight of their matches and are under | :06:20. | :06:22. | |
way in their ninth and final one against Russia. It is 3-1 to | :06:23. | :06:29. | |
Scotland after four ends. That is all the sport now. I will be back | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
just after 10:30am the latest headlines. Thank you. | :06:34. | :07:00. | |
Barry Bennell, a convicted paedophile, abused David White. He | :07:01. | :07:09. | |
has waived his anonymity. In a statement issued he has said: | :07:10. | :08:06. | |
Cheshire Police now say 11 people have come forward alleging sexual | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
abuse at the hands of their youth coaches when they were young boys. | :08:10. | :08:12. | |
It follows our exclusive interview with ex-Crewe player Andy Woodward | :08:13. | :08:14. | |
a week ago, who told us he had been raped hundreds of times | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
by Barry Bennell over a period of four years. | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
His testimony was part of the case against Bennell in the late 90s | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
when the coach was jailed for 9 years for offences against boys. | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
When Mr Woodward spoke to us again this week, | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
he said more players were coming forward all the time. | :08:30. | :08:44. | |
I've been inundated not only with not the six people that | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
but also direct messages from other players, who have | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
told me so many stories that are absolutely heartbreaking. | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
I've been so emotional, over the last days. | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
They've reached out to me and thanked me so much | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
You know, it's given them that faith. | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
So you've spoken to six, but as you say, other | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
In total, how many people do you think have got in touch | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
Gosh, there's several people that have contacted me. | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
I can't put a number on it, really. | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
And they vary, really, in what they've said. | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
Yeah, yeah, they're ex-footballers, yeah. | :09:20. | :09:26. | |
And did they say to you that they found the courage to speak | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
Absolutely, that's what they've said. | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
They said because of what I said, it's given them that courage | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
and that belief and that strength to actually come out and say it. | :09:38. | :09:45. | |
Andy Woodward meets the FA this morning to discuss what happened to | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
him. Since then, the former Spurs | :09:49. | :09:51. | |
and England star, Paul Stewart, told the Daily Mirror that | :09:52. | :09:53. | |
a different coach abused him every He says his attacker got away | :09:54. | :09:56. | |
with it by threatening to kill his relatives | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
if he ever told anyone. He blames the abuse | :10:02. | :10:03. | |
for drink and drug problems It started from touching | :10:04. | :10:05. | |
and then developed more and the threats of violence | :10:06. | :10:17. | |
towards your family, really, if you were to breathe | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
a word to anybody. I believe he said he was going to | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
kill your brothers? Yeah, he threatened | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
both my brothers to me. And, of course, all those years | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
you were playing at the top level, you talked about Paul Gascoigne | :10:31. | :10:45. | |
and Lineker and all these huge household names at the time, John | :10:46. | :10:48. | |
Barnes, when you were at Liverpool. Even as you were enjoying | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
the accolades of success, you were dealing with it, | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
and had suicidal thoughts I mean, in football, | :10:54. | :10:55. | |
there are lots of highs and lows, which you deal with as part | :10:56. | :11:00. | |
of the game. And I dealt with this | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
inwardly alongside that. It took me some years to talk | :11:06. | :11:13. | |
to my family about it, my wife. And, yeah, I struggled, | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
and still struggle to this day, I'm lucky that I've got a strong | :11:19. | :11:20. | |
family unit around me. Because, you know, I don't really | :11:21. | :11:29. | |
know whether I would The most difficult thing, | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
throughout is the fact I was void of all | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
emotions, whatsoever. Paul Stewart talking to the Daily | :11:39. | :11:52. | |
Mirror. They gave us permission to use that extract. | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
Labour says the FA isn't doing enough | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
In a statement the shadow sports minister Dr Rosena Allin-Khan said: | :12:02. | :12:09. | |
99.9% of coaches and officials will have every child's | :12:10. | :12:11. | |
best interests in mind but we must root out the 0.1% | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
I'm joined now by John Cameron, head of helplines at the NSPCC, | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
which has set up a dedicated helpline for footballers | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
And we're joined by Mark Palios, who is a former chairman of the FA | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
Do you know how many people will bring the hotline? The hotline has | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
been open for two ours and we have received in excess of 50 contacts | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
and nearly 20 of those have resulted in further information being passed | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
to the police for the investigation and consideration. This is a | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
considerable number of contacts at this early stage. We are likely to | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
get many, many more. 50 contacts and what kind of things are they saying? | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
It is all around concerns about sexual abuse and how children are | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
being treated in football. In the past or now? In the past and the | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
present. It is beginning to open up quite serious concerns about what | :13:07. | :13:09. | |
has been happening historically and if there are children who are | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
victims of abuse today, then this programme will be very helpful in | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
giving out a very clear message to the public to say if you have | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
concerns about children in football, you must come to us now, so we can | :13:22. | :13:27. | |
bring potential individuals who may be threatening children to account. | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
If someone calls you helpline, what do you then do quests? People don't | :13:32. | :13:40. | |
have to tell us who they are and they can just receive help and | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
guidance about moving on. But if we do have allegations of abuse in the | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
past identifying individuals and clubs, then we will pass them to the | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
police and they will undertake investigations. Mark Palios, thank | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
you for talking to us, former chief executive of the FA and former | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
player at Crewe in your late 20s, I think. Did you hear talk about youth | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
coaches and in particular Barry Bennell? Not at all. Barry Bennell | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
was after I had finished playing. I am flattered you thought I was | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
playing then! It is a very macho atmosphere around the club and the | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
dressing room. Something like that would probably not have surfaced in | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
those days. Right. The people I have read to have spoken publicly and | :14:26. | :14:32. | |
having spoken to Andy Woodward, there was, quote, banter in the | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
changing rooms about boys being the favourites of certain coaches. Yes, | :14:38. | :14:44. | |
well, I never came across that personally, as I say. There is no | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
doubt that this kind of thing went on. It would be naive to suggest | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
that a game that has involvement of so many youngsters that it wouldn't | :14:52. | :14:59. | |
be a scenario that paedophiles would target. In all organisations with | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
youngsters, you find this. Churches, scouts, etc. You would be naive to | :15:05. | :15:12. | |
suggest it hasn't gone on. It is a pretty hard watch when you watch the | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
video of the likes of Paul Stewart for example. You know that lots of | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
people have been affected by this. If you were to ask me the question | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
whether it is the same today, I think things have changed quite | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
considerably since then. While the helpline is welcomed because it lets | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
people feel that they can, without recrimination, which is very | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
important, trust the confidentiality of the NSPCC, which is great, but | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
also you have got to recognise the sport has done a lot for itself over | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
the course of the last 20 or 30 years. But you can never be | :15:49. | :15:49. | |
complacent. It's grim that John Cameron is | :15:50. | :15:58. | |
telling us they are getting calls about alleged cases in the present. | :15:59. | :16:02. | |
John, Andy Woodward told us that there is a particular culture in | :16:03. | :16:10. | |
football which means these men kept this secret for decades. That's Had | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
a cataclysmic effect on their lives? It's had a bad effect on people and | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
there are a lot of individuals who've suffered harm in the past | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
that need to come forward and we do appreciate with the macho culture | :16:25. | :16:29. | |
that we just heard, it's gone away but has still gone away | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
significantly but it's still around at the moment. The FA are doing | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
everything possible to be able to introduce good safeguarding | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
practices to clubs. But you need more, you need this change of | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
culture and what we need now is for all the clubs afilliated to the FA | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
to reflect back on what they're doing and how they are messaging out | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
to children and young men about the ability to actually come forward. I | :16:58. | :17:01. | |
think what we've got to do is encourage children now and people in | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
the past, if they have been victims of abuse, or if they are being | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
harmed in any sort of way in football, they need to come forward. | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
It's essential we get to the bottom of this and that the FA can address | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
the short falls. You say you have had 50 contacts since the helpline's | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
been open in just two hours. Does that mean 50 individual? 50 | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
individual people calling us about concerns for children either now or | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
in the past. Thank you very much John Cameron from the NSPCC and Mark | :17:30. | :17:36. | |
Palios, former chairman of the FA and chairman now of Tranmere. | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
The NSPCC free helpline offers advice and support to anyone | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
who experienced sexual abuse as a young footballer. | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
Steve Walters, who came forward to The Guardian after hearing | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
Andy Woodward's story, will be on the programme tomorrow, | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
in his first TV interview about the secret he kept for decades. | :17:55. | :17:57. | |
He says he too was abused by Bennell. | :17:58. | :18:00. | |
Steve was one of the best young players in the country | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
He's coming on the progamme tomorrow and he's told me on the phone | :18:05. | :18:11. | |
already he felt his football career was 'snatched away from him' | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
because of the abuse he experienced at the age of around 13. | :18:15. | :18:17. | |
So that's tomorrow, exculsively on this programme at 9.15am. | :18:18. | :18:28. | |
Let's return to the conviction of the serial killer Stephen Port, | :18:29. | :18:30. | |
found guilty yesterday of murdering four men he met through gay dating | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
The national police lead on LGBT issues has told this programme | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
exclusively that the apps themselves could be doing more | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
Port also raped or sexually assaulted at least six men | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
he met through the apps, luring them to his flat before | :18:45. | :18:47. | |
The Metropolitan Police have said they fear there are more victims out | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
Dan Clark-Neal, a former Met Police detective, | :18:54. | :18:58. | |
Hook-up apps are a fact of life for many gay men and can offer | :18:59. | :19:16. | |
almost instant access to dates or casual sex at the | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
But the trial of this man, Stephen Port, has cast a new light | :19:20. | :19:29. | |
Port has been convicted of murdering four men he met through hook-up | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
And the men he raped only came forward after Port | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
had been charged with the murders. | :19:41. | :19:42. | |
As a gay man and former Met police detective, | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
the case of Stephen Porte has really struck a chord with me | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
and I've asked myself, many times recently, | :19:52. | :19:53. | |
what would I have done in those circumstances? | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
And, if I'm being completely honest, I don't think I would have | :19:56. | :19:58. | |
reported it to the police, even when I was serving as a police | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
officer myself. I reckon I would have been | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
embarrassed that I put myself in a situation like that. | :20:05. | :20:06. | |
So, I really want to get to the bottom of whether there | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
a stigma attached to reporting sexual offences like these. | :20:10. | :20:17. | |
We never stop talking about him, we always talk about him. | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
You involve him, like he's still here. | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
Jack Taylor was the last person Stephen Port murdered. | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
I came out of college and mum had called me. | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
Initially, I heard the police ask if they was Jack's mum and dad. | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
And I kind of knew what that scream meant. | :20:44. | :20:52. | |
Port murdered Jack in September 2015 and had raped or sexually assaulted | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
Jack's sisters say they can understand why the surviving victims | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
I would say it's probably very difficult for them to come forward. | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
They might feel ashamed, I don't know. | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
They obviously didn't know he was doing that, | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
they might have just thought it was to them, I don't know. | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
But they've now thought if they did come forward, | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
they might have stopped him, so they've got to live with that. | :21:21. | :21:23. | |
That's not their fault, but that's how they might think. | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
It's heartbreaking for us to sit there and listen to what they've | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
It's not nice, is it, to hear that. | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
You do just want to get up and give them | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
It must be hard to actually say, "I've been raped, but I don't | :21:41. | :21:48. | |
What would you have said to Jack then, if you'd known | :21:49. | :21:56. | |
he was using sites like Grindr, which is where he met Stephen Port. | :21:57. | :21:59. | |
But if he were still adamant he was going to use them, | :22:00. | :22:10. | |
I know we would have said, "You know, where are you going?" | :22:11. | :22:19. | |
And wanted to know so much more before we'd even left, | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
Knowing the way me and Jen are, we probably would have had a look | :22:24. | :22:31. | |
Adrian used hook-up apps and websites on and off | :22:32. | :22:48. | |
Often taking drugs or chems with the people he met. | :22:49. | :22:57. | |
You are playing a bit of Russian roulette with your life | :22:58. | :22:59. | |
He told me about a time he'd arranged to meet a guy one | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
He was the person that looks like what I thought he was. | :23:05. | :23:12. | |
So, you strike up a conversation, you see how you feel with each | :23:13. | :23:21. | |
other, there was no hesitation, in terms of foreur play. | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
other, there was no hesitation, in terms of foreplay. | :23:28. | :23:29. | |
You get to the point of wanting to talk about what sort | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
of chems you're going to take and how much. | :23:34. | :23:36. | |
All of that was talked about openly, honestly. | :23:37. | :23:38. | |
Therefore, I had no concerns about going forward. | :23:39. | :23:40. | |
Adrian says he was given a cocktail of drugs by the man he met up with. | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
It's then that things got out of hand. | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
Within seconds, his clothes were off. | :23:47. | :23:48. | |
Within seconds, we were in the bedroom. | :23:49. | :23:50. | |
And all I can remember was laying down on the bed and then that's it. | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
Between roughly 2am or 3am in the morning and 7am | :23:55. | :24:09. | |
I was worried enough to decide, let's go to a sexual health | :24:10. | :24:20. | |
To see whether there was anything I had caught or whether there | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
Adrian still doesn't know whether he was sexually assaulted | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
that night and he blames himself for what happened. | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
I have never, ever mentioned or talked about any of these | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
Because I've always been of the view that I put myself in the position, | :24:36. | :24:42. | |
For Adrian, drugs are one of the main barriers when it comes | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
There is a pressure that is put on your shoulders that says, | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
I know something is not right, but, at the same time, | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
I can't, 100%, conclusively say what happened. | :25:00. | :25:02. | |
If you are in a similarly chemed-up state, your memory blurs very | :25:03. | :25:10. | |
That first hurdle, knowing what you've already done, | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
means that you're not going to go to the police. | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
Some people watching may think it's simple, don't take drugs, | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
Well, I mean, I'm still working through the fact that I don't | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
But I know it's a difficult path, it's just like giving up alcohol, | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
it's just like giving up other addictions. | :25:35. | :25:35. | |
And it requires a lot of strength of character | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
Thousands of men use hook-up apps every day. | :25:39. | :25:51. | |
The apps use GPS to allow anyone with a profile to send | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
messages, share pictures, preferences and their location. | :25:55. | :26:02. | |
Josh has been using apps like Grindr since his teens and | :26:03. | :26:09. | |
Every spare five minutes, ten minutes you get, | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
I just think, whip it out, have a quick look, see who's around. | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
If there's anyone close who looks decent, why not? | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
How often would you go further than having a little chat online | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
It used to be, quite honestly, at least several times a week that | :26:27. | :26:33. | |
When you get to the point of meeting people, are you sober, | :26:34. | :26:41. | |
What state are you in, generally, when you meet people? | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
I would say eight times out of ten I am sober. | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
There are a few odd occasions when I've met someone very, | :26:50. | :26:51. | |
You can almost equate it to almost a one-night stand. | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
You wake up in the morning and they're still there | :26:58. | :27:00. | |
and you're sort of... "Oh, no, what's gone on?" | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
Josh has had a couple of close shaves using the apps. | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
On one occasion, his hook up refused to let him leave. | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
I think I logged off it for another few months before eventually | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
I turned around again and was like, oh well, bad experience, | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
but, you know, carry on using it, like everyone else. | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
What would be serious enough for you to even contemplate | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
If I was, I don't know, perhaps if I was actually raped or | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
But even then, there would be a lot of hesitation. | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
Supposing it got to a court and things like this and you had | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
to explain the circumstances of, how did this come about? | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
I would feel that it would just be all thrown back at you. | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
And you'd be in the spotlight for saying, well, look | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
For Josh, society's perception of gay hook-up apps were a real | :27:58. | :28:06. | |
So I wanted to get a sense of how other gay men use the apps | :28:07. | :28:13. | |
and what they would do if they were assaulted. | :28:14. | :28:15. | |
Guys, can I just ask you a quick question at all? | :28:16. | :28:18. | |
I met someone that was really, really dodgy. | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
I bought someone back and I couldn't wait to get him out of me flat. | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
I never had anyone, like, turn up at the door and they were, | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
like, a different picture or anything, no. | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
You're always likely to meet some kind of weirdo | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
or some kind of lunatic in G-A-Y or somewhere down | :28:36. | :28:37. | |
to mug you off or take you for a ride, anyway. | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
A lot of people are really, really just after sex on Grindr, so, | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
you're going to the police and start going on about your | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
If you did have a negative experience in that maybe he became | :28:52. | :28:58. | |
a victim of crime after a hook-up meet, would you feel comfortable | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
speaking to the police about that do you feel? | :29:02. | :29:03. | |
I wouldn't have any qualms about that. | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
I would blame myself more and I would probably be too | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
embarrassed to go and say, look, this has happened. | :29:11. | :29:14. | |
Figures for the number of sexual assaults relating to hook-up apps | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
In the first six months of 2016, 50 sexual assaults were reported | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
But a leading LGBT charity, who've been supporting | :29:25. | :29:33. | |
Port's surviving victims, say the numbers are likely | :29:34. | :29:35. | |
Yeah, we've seen a dramatic rise in the number of sexual | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
We, of course, don't know whether that is because there's | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
actually has been a rise in sexual assaults happening or whether it's | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
But it's definitely an increase that we've seen. | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
What more could apps be doing to keep their users safe? | :29:56. | :29:57. | |
Apps could be doing a lot more to protect people's safety. | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
There should be better whistle-blowing facilities | :30:01. | :30:03. | |
for people to report fake profiles and that those profiles do | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
And they could work proactively with the police to almost use apps | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
as a third-party reporting system to, kind of, identify people that | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
In your mind, could the police be doing more to encourage | :30:15. | :30:19. | |
It's that initial report being received well and believed. | :30:20. | :30:30. | |
And having the knowledge to understand what someone | :30:31. | :30:32. | |
is talking about and then going forward, that the cases | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
are handled in an appropriate and sensitive way. | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
Of the over 100 we've seen in the last few years of clients | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
that have come to Galop and reported sexual assault in a chem-sex or | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
hook-up way, not one has been charged and gone to court. | :30:50. | :30:52. | |
And the police accept there is a problem. | :30:53. | :30:55. | |
There is underreporting, we know there's underreporting, but, | :30:56. | :30:57. | |
of course, you would expect me to say we would always want | :30:58. | :31:00. | |
People always say, when individuals go to the doctor, the doctor | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
will have heard it all before, don't worry about going to your doctor. | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
We want people to come to us and there isn't really anything | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
people can come and report to us that we haven't heard before. | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
I don't want any embarrassment or confidence issues associated | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
Sometimes when men hook up, they've willingly taken drugs, | :31:20. | :31:29. | |
so when the offence takes place, they are concerned about going | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
We wouldn't be pursuing the fact that they've taken drugs. | :31:33. | :31:38. | |
What we would do is be interested in the serious offence | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
And, therefore, there shouldn't be, I know there is, but there shouldn't | :31:42. | :31:47. | |
be any concerns about the gay community reporting things | :31:48. | :31:49. | |
Could the apps themselves be doing more to prevent | :31:50. | :31:52. | |
The way technology is, some of these safety messages | :31:53. | :31:58. | |
The sort of things that spring to mind are get to know | :31:59. | :32:06. | |
You're never going to know somebody online the same way as you're | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
And, actually, years gone by, you would meet somebody and then | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
meet them again and then meet them again. | :32:15. | :32:16. | |
So, actually, what we want people to do is get | :32:17. | :32:19. | |
Stay in public, until you're entirely comfortable. | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
I think some of these apps could take more responsibility | :32:24. | :32:25. | |
for passing on those safety messages, so that offences didn't | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
Sadly, none of this will make any difference to Stephen Port's victims | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
or their families, but it might help stop another man | :32:34. | :32:36. | |
It's took things away that can never be replaced. | :32:37. | :32:55. | |
And we have to live with that. We all do. | :32:56. | :32:58. | |
Without somebody that was so special to us. | :32:59. | :33:17. | |
And we did approach some of the apps mentioned in the film, but no one | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
Incredibly painful. Here is a neat with the latest news headlines. | :33:21. | :33:33. | |
The NSPCC says since it opened a dedicated football abuse helpline | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
this morning it's passed information from 20 calls to the police | :33:37. | :33:38. | |
Four former players have now gone public to say they were abused | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
It comes as the Football Association is due to meet Andy Woodward | :33:43. | :33:49. | |
at Wembley this morning to discuss the allegations. | :33:50. | :33:51. | |
John Cameron from the NSPCC says he expects the number of people | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
The hotline has now been running for two hours. | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
I've just checked with our call centre. | :33:59. | :34:00. | |
We've received in excess of 50 contacts, nearly 20 of those have | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
resulted in further information being passed to the police for their | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
So this is quite a considerable number of contacts at | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
We are likely to get many, many more. | :34:13. | :34:19. | |
The government has defended gloomy forecasts for the economy set out in | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
the Chancellor's Autumn Statement, after fierce criticism | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
The Office for Budget Responsibility predicts that leaving | :34:26. | :34:28. | |
the EU will cost Britain about ?60 billion | :34:29. | :34:30. | |
But Philip Hammond said the government's aim was to continue | :34:31. | :34:39. | |
growing the economy, but it was good to prepare | :34:40. | :34:41. | |
A health trust has apologised after details emerged | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
of a series of failures in maternity care at two of its hospitals. | :34:47. | :34:49. | |
An internal review at Royal Oldham and North Manchester General | :34:50. | :34:51. | |
hospitals was only made public after an investigation | :34:52. | :34:53. | |
The report describes one incident where a baby born prematurely | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
was left to die alone in a room used for waste disposal. | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
In another case a mother died after staff ignored her symptoms, | :35:04. | :35:06. | |
believing she had mental heath issues instead. | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
The Pennine Acute Hospital Trust, which runs the hospital, | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
Researchers say predatory bacteria, which eat others of their kind, | :35:14. | :35:23. | |
could be a new weapon in the fight against drug resistant superbugs. | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
The studies on animals, acted like a living antibiotic | :35:27. | :35:28. | |
to help clear an otherwise lethal infection, and suggested | :35:29. | :35:30. | |
Experts say the approach was unusual but should not be overlooked, | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
as more levels of bacteria become resistant to drugs. | :35:35. | :35:40. | |
Join me for BBC Newsroom Live at 11 o'clock. | :35:41. | :35:48. | |
We have just had a statement from the sports minister, Tracey Crouch, | :35:49. | :35:56. | |
regarding the sex scandal. The players that have broken their | :35:57. | :35:59. | |
silence to speak out about the abuse they suffered have shown incredible | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
bravery. This safety of participants in sport at every level is | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
paramount. Governing bodies, clubs and coaches have a duty of care to | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
young people who attend sports clubs. The child protection in sport | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
unit has standards and safeguards for protecting children in sport | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
which organisations have got to adhere to. Now the rest of the | :36:21. | :36:21. | |
sport. Thank you. A mixed bag for the British teams | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
in European football last night. Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola | :36:26. | :36:31. | |
says his team can now focus on the Premier League, | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
after securing a place in the knockout stages | :36:35. | :36:36. | |
of the Champions League. They drew 1-1 at Borussia | :36:37. | :36:38. | |
Monchengladbach. David Silva with | :36:39. | :36:40. | |
the equalising goal. They are out of the competition | :36:41. | :36:42. | |
after losing 2-0 to Barcelona Lionel Messi scored both goals | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
to keep Celtic bottom That is the same group as Manchester | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
City. Joining City in the last | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
16 will be Arsenal. Although they might be disappointed | :36:59. | :37:00. | |
with Paris Saint Germain's equalising goal, which means | :37:01. | :37:02. | |
they now face a struggle to top their group and receive | :37:03. | :37:06. | |
a more favourable draw And Scotland's men have missed out | :37:07. | :37:09. | |
on a place in the semi-finals of the European Curling | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
Championships, but They've won all 8 of their group | :37:15. | :37:15. | |
games and are under way in the final It is 6-3 to Scotland with four ends | :37:16. | :37:22. | |
to play. That's all the sport | :37:23. | :37:31. | |
from me for now. I'll have more on the BBC | :37:32. | :37:33. | |
News Channel throughout the day. Slower economic growth and more | :37:34. | :37:35. | |
borrowing because of the vote to leave the European Union - | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
just two things to come out of Chancellor Philip Hammond's | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
first Autumn Statement. What else was in it | :37:42. | :37:42. | |
and what does it mean for you? Our political guru Norman Smith | :37:43. | :37:45. | |
is across all of the fallout. Thank you. This is the Chancellor's | :37:46. | :37:52. | |
good book containing the facts, figures and forecasts. Maybe not the | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
good book. A book of gloom because it pains a dire picture. Let's take | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
a look at the Treasury cash registers and the bills coming our | :38:01. | :38:08. | |
way. Prices. We are all going to be paying more in the shops with | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
inflation set to peak at 2.5%. That is painful. Also the standard of | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
living, the expectation is that our standard of living could go down by | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
around 3%. That is not such great news. Gross, -- growth, that will | :38:23. | :38:33. | |
dip by 2.5% through slower exports and reduced immigration. The | :38:34. | :38:41. | |
Colossus of the bills is debt which will reach a staggering ?2 trillion. | :38:42. | :38:54. | |
An extra 122 billion just by 2020 so a massive increase in the amount of | :38:55. | :38:57. | |
money we owe to the rest of the world. What has been the response of | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
the Brexiteers to the gloomy forecast? They have accused the | :39:01. | :39:10. | |
Office for Budget Responsibility of being scaremongers and producing | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
project via Mark two. As a Brexiteer, who fought on the side of | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
Leave the six months, there were forecasts coming out of our ears | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
that the world would end on the 24th of June and I'm pleased to say it | :39:24. | :39:25. | |
didn't. Suspicion of experts goes back | :39:26. | :39:29. | |
into antiquity and it's a very Experts, soothsayers, | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
astrologers are all in Well, we've had a lot of forecasts | :39:33. | :39:34. | |
so far and the forecasts tend to take the worst possible case, | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
which is right, in a sense, because the government needs | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
to prepare for the worst. But every forecast | :39:42. | :39:43. | |
so far has been wrong. So much for the big economics and | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
the big politics. How will the statement of fact ordinary folk and | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
their daily lives? Insuring premiums are going up. It is estimated if you | :39:56. | :40:01. | |
wrap together premiums for your car insurance, your house insurance and | :40:02. | :40:05. | |
your pet insurance, that could be ?90 more every year. On the plus | :40:06. | :40:08. | |
side, the national living wage is going up to ?7.50 per hour, an | :40:09. | :40:16. | |
estimated ?500 extra for some people. Fuel duty frozen for another | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
year. That could be worth maybe ?140 for motorists, and more homes. | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
40,000 more affordable homes being paid for by an extra 1 billion from | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
the Treasury. This is an interesting fact. Mrs May said that she wanted | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
to help those who were struggling, the so-called JAMs, that nasty | :40:38. | :40:46. | |
phrase means those just about managing. The people who will be | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
squeezed Tardis will be the bottom 30%. -- squeezed hardest. How did | :40:50. | :40:55. | |
Mrs May respond? Well, let's just think | :40:56. | :40:58. | |
of who we are talking about when I talked | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
These are people who have a job but worry | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
about their security, they have a home but | :41:06. | :41:07. | |
We're helping people in a variety of ways. | :41:08. | :41:10. | |
Of course, that includes raising the national living | :41:11. | :41:12. | |
wage, raising personal tax allowance, which will take more | :41:13. | :41:14. | |
people out of paying tax altogether and give a tax cut to people. | :41:15. | :41:17. | |
And of course, we are committed to building | :41:18. | :41:19. | |
more affordable homes but what matters is | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
underneath all of this is ensuring we have a strong economy. | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
That is what the Autumn Statement was about yesterday. Ensuring we | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
have a strong economy and we are investing in the future. That means | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
jobs for people for the future. So all in all, the gloomy forecast. So | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
what on earth is Philip Hammond smiling about? Take a look at this | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
picture that the Treasury release of Philip Hammond smiling away looking | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
at his Autumn Statement. What is he smiling about? Maybe answers on a | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
postcard or may tweak us to say why Philip Hammond is smiling. That is a | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
good idea. 15 minutes left of this programme so hurry. Coming up: | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
Should people who use Class A drugs be allowed to get them safety-tested | :42:09. | :42:11. | |
One leading police officer thinks that could be useful. | :42:12. | :42:14. | |
He is even talking to the Home Office about it. | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
Today Thomas Mair begins a life sentence for the murder | :42:20. | :42:21. | |
and far right literature, an obsession with Nazi paraphernalia | :42:22. | :42:36. | |
carried out what police and prosecutors called an act | :42:37. | :42:38. | |
of terror, repeatedly stabbing and shooting Mrs Cox on the way | :42:39. | :42:41. | |
to her constituency surgery in Birstall in West Yorkshire. | :42:42. | :42:43. | |
West Yorkshire Police have told us this morning that they are looking | :42:44. | :42:46. | |
for an accomplice who supplied the gun to Thomas Mair. | :42:47. | :42:49. | |
They say that gun was stolen along with ammunition | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
from a car in August last year, but that they don't | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
believe Mair himself was behind the theft. | :42:59. | :42:59. | |
In Brighton is the Labour MP Peter Kyle who was | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
Like her, he worked in the charity sector before becoming | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
Hello. How do you react to the sentence first of all? Relief, | :43:09. | :43:19. | |
firstly. Relief primarily for the family that they can know that the | :43:20. | :43:22. | |
justice system worked and they did a great job. The judge, in reading his | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
summing up statement yesterday, I think he did a really good job of | :43:29. | :43:31. | |
giving relief to the family, making sure that he could face the | :43:32. | :43:37. | |
criminal, the murderer, and say some really tough things to him and make | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
sure he pointed out that it was Jo Cox he was the patria and not him. I | :43:42. | :43:44. | |
think it is important that we hear these things from people in serious | :43:45. | :43:54. | |
situations like this. I am not as forgiving and gracious as Brendan, | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
Jo Cox's husband, who I thought was absolutely beautiful in his response | :44:00. | :44:02. | |
and the dignity that he and the family showed was remarkable and the | :44:03. | :44:06. | |
heart goes out to them today. Do you believe it was an act of terror? I | :44:07. | :44:14. | |
think to say it was an act of terror and put it on the scale of things | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
like what is going on in Syria and in Aleppo at this time, and to | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
compare them to the IRA in the past and things like that, I think that | :44:24. | :44:28. | |
would somehow take away the personal responsibility that this man had and | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
needs to take responsibility for, his own actions. He did this. He | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
chose to do this. He wasn't driven by being instructed by anyone. There | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
was free will involved in this. He is a murderer, murderer, and he is | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
now behind bars for the rest of his life and I and I hope I never have | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
to mention his name for as long as I live. Tell us about working with Jo | :44:52. | :44:59. | |
Cox. Jo was a remarkable person. Only a few of us in Parliament were | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
front line aid workers before Angie and I bonded very quickly after | :45:05. | :45:10. | |
going in. We had a lot of mutual friends and shared experiences so we | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
spoke very quickly and we talked a lot about foreign affairs and we | :45:15. | :45:17. | |
work together in the run-up to the Syria vote earlier this year. We | :45:18. | :45:20. | |
would spend hours and hours into the early hours of the morning working | :45:21. | :45:23. | |
together trying to understand and challenge each other and get under | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
the hood of all the issues. We went to see ministers together. We had a | :45:28. | :45:32. | |
close working relationship. She was very maternal, great fun, intensely | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
bright, and also very ambitious. I think we need to see her in the | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
round and celebrate the fact that she was an ambitious politician who | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
brought warmth, humanity and maternal spirit to the job, and that | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
is why so many people connected with her when they found out about her | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
life sadly after her murder. Thank you for coming on the programme. | :45:52. | :45:53. | |
Should clubs in the UK test the drugs nightclub | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
In Switzerland clubbers can drop drugs off mid week to get them | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
Police there say it's saving lives and there are some calls for it | :46:04. | :46:08. | |
One of the country's leading police chiefs says it could be | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
useful and he's talking to the Home Office about it. | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
Last year, ecstasy was linked to 57 deaths here, according to the ONS. | :46:17. | :46:19. | |
Jim Connolly has been to Switzerland to see how it works - | :46:20. | :46:22. | |
we played you his full film earlier, here's a short extract. | :46:23. | :46:30. | |
So, it's a Wednesday in Bern Switzerland. | :46:31. | :46:33. | |
Probably not what you're thinking when you're thinking big nights out | :46:34. | :46:35. | |
in Europe but people here are getting ready for a Friday, | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
They're going to be dropping drugs off in this anonymous | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
The only reason you'd know what it is, is this | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
Nick is one of the councillors who runs the centre. | :46:47. | :46:56. | |
This guy is the first to drop off his drugs and he'll | :46:57. | :46:59. | |
A short counselling session is compulsory if you | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
How does it feel talking about your drug use? | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
No, not that much because everybody talks about that. | :47:06. | :47:08. | |
So, everyone knows drugs and knows how it is to be on drugs, | :47:09. | :47:12. | |
Nick can't handle the drugs being dropped off. | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
What do you think you've dropped off? | :47:16. | :47:18. | |
You think you dropped off an ecstasy tablet? | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
So that I know that I don't take anything that isn't good | :47:22. | :47:34. | |
Ecstasy isn't good, because it's a drug, | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
At least there is not something that shouldn't be in MDMA. | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
Will you feel safer, because of that drug being tested? | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
As long as I know that it's ecstasy and not something different, | :47:48. | :47:54. | |
Because I already make the risk that it could do me | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
It's Thursday and we've come to meet Hans, who runs this drug-testing lab | :48:02. | :48:10. | |
Hi, Hans, nice to meet you. Hi. | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
It tests anything from stuff you can buy in your pharmacy, | :48:14. | :48:15. | |
The testing is being done today by Fabian. | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
This is the pill we saw being handed in last night. | :48:21. | :48:23. | |
Some people would say you're encouraging drug use, | :48:24. | :48:32. | |
by giving people results about what's in their drugs. | :48:33. | :48:35. | |
Those people that show up in our facilities, they already | :48:36. | :48:38. | |
And with our programme, we have here, I say, | :48:39. | :48:48. | |
if we can just prevent one person being brought to the emergency | :48:49. | :48:55. | |
room of the hospital, it's worth all the cost. | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
You're going to get the results, what have we found? | :49:00. | :49:08. | |
And that is a very, very strong reading? | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
Yeah, we give a warning when it's over 120 million | :49:12. | :49:17. | |
But what do people heading clubbing in the area think? | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
When you have the possibility to use the service, so you know | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
And I think it's a better feeling when you know what you take. | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
I have one strict other website where you can, like, if you buy | :49:33. | :49:35. | |
If there's any dangerous drugs around, they warn you about it. | :49:36. | :49:42. | |
It's your decision if you take drugs. | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
I think it's more safe if you take drugs that are tested. | :49:49. | :49:58. | |
Let's speak to George Hull, owner of Bloc nightclub in Hackney Wick | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
in London Fiona Spargo-Mabbs, her son Daniel died of a fatal | :50:02. | :50:04. | |
Her family opened the Daniel Spargo-Mabbs foundation | :50:05. | :50:13. | |
after his death which runs drugs awareness programmes for schools. | :50:14. | :50:16. | |
And in Salford is Fiona Measham, Leading campaigner for open drugs | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
testing in the UK, she tests the drugs for purity and also | :50:23. | :50:25. | |
Welcome all of you. Fiona, tell us about the MDMA drug your son took? | :50:26. | :50:39. | |
The drug Dan took was incredibly strong. He was 167, went out with a | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
group of boys. I thought he was at a party, actually they went to the | :50:45. | :50:47. | |
other side of London to an illegal rave, five of them took MDMA, the | :50:48. | :50:54. | |
keep coo that's in ecstasy and Dan's happened to be incredibly strong and | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
he died from multiple organ failure a couple of days later -- he was 16. | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
How do you cope with that? I don't know. You just have one day that | :51:04. | :51:10. | |
follows another really. From that, we, because Dan was who he was, you | :51:11. | :51:18. | |
know, he was bright, popular, kind, he had was just Dan, you know, we | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
thought if it could happen to him it could happen to anybody. We found | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
out a back story of the influence and persuasion of people around him | :51:27. | :51:29. | |
and we thought actually it really could be anybody and we wanted to do | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
anything that we could to make sure that other young people had the | :51:34. | :51:35. | |
information and understanding that they needed to make sure that they | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
kept themselves safe from any kind of harm from drugs. | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
If that drug had been tested, he would have known how dangerous it | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
was? Yes. Yes. You don't know if that would have stopped him from | :51:49. | :51:54. | |
taking it. If he knew it was going to kill him, he wouldn't have taken | :51:55. | :52:00. | |
it. That's why the testing Fiona's done is so brilliant. You need to | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
understand it's not just to know that that's got that much MDMA, you | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
need to know the effect of it, and whether it could be lethal. Whether | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
the teenage boys would have had their drug tests we don't know. | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
Fiona, tell us a bit about what the loop does? We have been going for | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
the past three years or so into nightclubs and testing | :52:22. | :52:24. | |
behind-the-scenes and this summer we introduced front of house testing. | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
By that I mean we were testing drugs users brought to us. We'd give them | :52:30. | :52:36. | |
a unique number, do a barrage of tests, they'd come back and have a | :52:37. | :52:39. | |
harm reduction package, talking about that particular drug and the | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
risks of it, as well as a broader picture in relation to their own | :52:44. | :52:54. | |
drugs history and possibly be talked to about the combinations of alcohol | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
for example in combination with the drugs. George, what do you think of | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
that approach? I've been a promoter for about ten years or so running | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
big festivals and dance events so I guess you could say I've been on the | :53:08. | :53:14. | |
front line of enforcement, also harm reduction, looking after people | :53:15. | :53:17. | |
who've chosen to conceal drugs and take them to events. I would favour | :53:18. | :53:23. | |
a move towards helping with the harm rereduction side of things. If you | :53:24. | :53:31. | |
accept that enforcers can work with prohibition, it can never be 100% | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
effective, you move into the next phase which is harm reduction and | :53:36. | :53:38. | |
something like having a better understanding of what is contained | :53:39. | :53:44. | |
in drugs so that you can be sure, you know, what people are taking, | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
whether it's extremely pure, maybe very impure. But you are never going | :53:49. | :53:54. | |
to know that. Even if - Fiona, you are absolutely for educating school | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
children, pupils in schools about the dangers of things like MDAM - | :53:59. | :54:02. | |
you know, they could have all the information in the world, then you | :54:03. | :54:05. | |
are in a club with your friends. I know. You are the person who goes, | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
it's not going the happen to me, I'm invincible, I'm 16, my life is ahead | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
of me? We also talk about life skills and understanding peer | :54:16. | :54:18. | |
influence, also the way that your brain develops, you are more likely | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
to take risks as a teenager if you are being watched by your peers. To | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
a certain extent that's just the way it is, but with more | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
self-consciousness about your decision-making and being able to | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
use the bits of your brain that can retain information, bring to bear | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
the bits that aren't developed and making decisions on it. I say to | :54:40. | :54:45. | |
youngsters, it's never an easy decision, it's a social environment, | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
you are with people you know, like, trust and opinions you respect and | :54:50. | :54:52. | |
you might have had a couple of drinks and your decision-making | :54:53. | :54:55. | |
isn't clear. It's never an easy decision but we can only do what we | :54:56. | :55:02. | |
can do. Yes. Fiona Measham where are you on this, if you offer this | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
upfront drugs testing which has happened in a couple of festivals | :55:07. | :55:13. | |
already and you have done it at various venues, if you you ever | :55:14. | :55:18. | |
offer the service, people say you are encouraging it? We are dealing | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
with a pragmatic situation. It might be that the dealers don't even know | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
what is in the drugs they have been sold. We have tested and found acid | :55:29. | :55:34. | |
being sold as cocaine, we have found tablets have been sold as cocaine | :55:35. | :55:40. | |
that aren't cocaine and we have found 100% concrete ecstasy tablets | :55:41. | :55:42. | |
so this is the information we can get out to people. We found one | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
fifth of the people that came to us asked us to dispose of the drugs, | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
that they didn't want to take them at all, so they were engaging | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
seriously with the service but were also pretty horrified at what they | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
were being sold. An e-mail from Anne - I don't think she's pulling my leg | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
- I'm going to stick my neck out, she says every year I go to Ibiza | :56:04. | :56:14. | |
with my daughters, we take drugs, millions of people take E. Let's do | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
harm reduction and do what Zurich does, please, it will not take | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
people take more drugs, humans throughout time have always wanted | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
to get high, let's recognise it and make it safe. I have bought myself a | :56:30. | :56:33. | |
testing kit. Lee says who pays for the drugs to be tested because he | :56:34. | :56:39. | |
says, as a hard-working drug-free taxpayer it better not be me. What | :56:40. | :56:45. | |
do you say to that? The loop is a volunteer service, run by donations | :56:46. | :56:48. | |
and volunteers so individual users don't pay, it's a free service. | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
There is a small donation paid by the event itself out of their | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
profits, then we provide information not just to users but to all on site | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
services, so the police, to medical services. We respond to medical | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
emergencies and can say exactly what is in the substance that might be | :57:06. | :57:08. | |
causing problems and that can help reduce pressure on the NHS. We'd | :57:09. | :57:13. | |
like to see ourselves as saving taxpayering money, not spending it. | :57:14. | :57:20. | |
-- taxpaying money. A viewer says, it's illegal, arrest people for it. | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
What do you say to that? It's the approach the national drugs policy | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
takes but evidently it's not 100% effective and beyond that, there are | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
ways and means of helping to reduce harm and reduce the harm to the | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
individual and harm to society from drugs being consumed. Moves towards | :57:37. | :57:42. | |
drug testing, certain ways of mitigating risk seem very sensible | :57:43. | :57:45. | |
to me. This viewer says we should be safety | :57:46. | :57:49. | |
testing recreational drugs, Governments have been losing the war | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
on drugs for over 40 years leading to unnecessary deaths, time for a | :57:55. | :57:57. | |
more sensible policy. Thank you all very much. Thanks for | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
coming on the programme, George, Fiona and Fiona, thank you very | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
much. Thanks for your company as well today. BBC newsroom live is | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
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