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I'm not a victim I'm a survivor - Michelle Thomson stood in the House

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of Commons reducing colleagues to tears as she told how

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as a 14 year she was raped as she walked home.

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In her first tv interview the MP will tell us why she decided to talk

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about it 37 years later, after years of silence.

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I did not tell my mother, my father, my friends. I did not tell the

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police. I bottled it all up inside me.

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The first report claimed that Russia has a state sponsored drugs

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programme in sport - the second report from

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the World Anti-Doping Agency is released this morning.

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Historical drug tests are being rechecked and more drugs

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In a special film for this programme we will hear the story

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of 14-year-old Connor Lynes who went from being a healthy teenager

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to needing constant care after a stroke which

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You can't tell him goodbye. You are sorry. I want to talk to him and say

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I have had a nice life. Goodbye basically.

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Welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

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Lots coming up on the show for you to talk about.

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Post natal depression is something we associate with women

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but its claimed that one in ten dads suffer with it too.

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We are talking to a group of men who say their lives were really

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affected after the birth of their children.

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We are also tell you about the lastest bombshell from Taylor Swift

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning -

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use the hashtag Victoria LIVE and If you text, you will be charged

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83 suspects have been identified with allegations of child abuse in

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football. 98 clubs are thought to have been affected. We will have

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more on this breaking story later in the programme. We will keep you

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up-to-date with that and reaction to it.

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The body representing some of England's top private schools

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says its members are prepared to offer up to 10,000 free places

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It's in response to a government consultation which said independent

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schools need to do more to justify their charitable

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Ministers have previously called on them to help ordinary families -

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particularly those described as "just about managing".

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Our Political Correspondent, Ross Hawkins reports.

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Private schools could and should do more to justify their status

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as charities, and the tax breaks that go with it.

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That view was made plain in a Government

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Now the Independent Schools Council has made ministers an offer.

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If the Government pays their schools what it would cost to educate

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children in the state sector, about ?5,500 a year,

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they will provide 10,000 places for pupils from low-income families

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The proposal would be similar in scale to the assisted

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places scheme scrapped by Tony Blair's Government

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The Independent Schools Council estimates that it would cost them

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?80 million, in addition to the ?350 million of bursaries

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They are also offering to help establish new state schools.

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But some say private schools should do much more for society,

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like the Chief Inspector of Schools in England, Sir Michael Wilshaw,

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if they are to deserve the charitable status that gives

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some of Britain's most prestigious institutions big tax breaks.

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Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The Conservatives have comfortably held the Lincolnshire seat

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of Sleaford and North Hykeham in a byelection, with Ukip

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Doctor Caroline Johnson took 54 per cent of the vote.

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It was a bad result for Labour, slipping from second

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place at the 2015 general election to fourth, behind

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Boris Johnson begins a visit to the Middle East today, less

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than 24 hours after he was publicly rebuked by Downing Street

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for comments he made about Saudi Arabia.

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The Foreign Secretary accused the country

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of engaging in "proxy wars" - prompting Number ten

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to insist his views did not represent government policy.

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Mr Johnson will travel to Saudi Arabia on Sunday.

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The second and final report on state-sponsored doping in Russian

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An interim investigation, released in July, led to more

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than a hundred Russian athletes being banned from the Rio Olympics,

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and the country's entire team barred from the Paralympics.

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It was Russia on the grandest sports stage.

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The bombastic Winter Olympics in Sochi.

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According to Richard McLaren, the show were severely tainted.

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His initial report found that Russian cheats had been

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protected in a plot worthy of an espionage thriller.

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Secret Service agents at the dead of night inside the anti-doping lab

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were passed dirty samples through a small hole in the wall,

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which was swapped for clean ones, and that similar cover-ups in many

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different sports sanctioned by the state had been

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The Russian minister of sport directed, controlled and oversaw

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the manipulation of athletes' analytical results or sample

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swapping, with the active participation and assistance

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Today, further details of what he claimed was a corrupt

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The first part caused chaos inside the IOC ahead

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Controversially they decided not to issue a blanket ban on Russia,

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although the track and field team remains barred from

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Olympic leaders have indicated tougher action will be taken

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if further evidence confirms the Canadian professor's

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Russia insists they are doing all they can to reform,

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although critics claim the state is still in denial over

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The National Assembly in South Korea has voted to impeach

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President Park Geun-hye following allegations of corruption.

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The measure forces her to step aside as head of state

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while the Constitutional Court decides whether to

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She remains technically president but all power will go immediately

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Nearly 19,000 children were admitted to hospital after self-harming last

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year in England and Wales - a rise of 14 per cent over the past

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three years, according to the children's charity NSPCC.

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It said the NHS figures should be a "real wake-up call"

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to all those who cared about young people's wellbeing.

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Self-harming is one of the most common reasons for children

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to contact the charity's Childline service

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Trade associations in the food and drink industry are warning

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of higher prices unless the UK can secure its present access to workers

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raised their concerns about labour shortages in an open

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Nearly four million people are employed in producing,

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packaging, selling and serving food and drink in the UK,

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Ministers say they're determined to get the best deal for Britian

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The RAC Foundation says the amount of money councils in England

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generated from parking charges and fines rose

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The charity says that after deducting running costs,

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local authorities made 756 million pounds.

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This research looks at the income councils received from parking

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charges and penalty notices and then takes away their running costs

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According to the RAC Foundation, in the last financial year

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that figure rose by 9%, compared with the previous year,

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and was up by more than one third from four years ago.

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Falling running costs and increased income are thought

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The RAC Foundation described the surplus as eye-wateringly large

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and said it reflected the growing competition for parking spaces

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The Local Government Association insisted councils don't make

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a profit from parking, and that the money is used

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to run parking services, as well as being invested

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The Hollywood actor Kirk Douglas is celebrating his hundredth birthday.

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His career has spanned seven decades, and highlights have

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included three Oscar nominations, as well as an honorary

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Douglas is best known for his roles in "Spartacus" and "20,000

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President Obama has led tributes to the first

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American to orbit the Earth, John Glenn, who has

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Mr Obama said the former astronaut and senator was an "icon" whose

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successful flight, in the Friendship Seven

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capsule in 1962, showed there was no limit

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Our Science correspondent Pallab Ghosh reports.

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On February 20th, 1962, John Glenn began a journey

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that would make him one of America's greatest heroes.

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Back then, there was only room for one in the spacecraft.

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And mission control was in a cramped room.

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It was all so new, and astronauts were doing things

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MISSION CONTROL: Godspeed, John Glenn.

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Friendship 7 set off, taking the US Marine

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He was not the first man in space, or even the first American.

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But John Glenn's orbit was the moment the Americans finally

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caught up with the Soviets in the space race.

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His performance in fulfilment of this most dangerous assignment

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reflects the highest credit upon himself and the United States.

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And for that, President Kennedy and the nation were duly grateful.

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John Glenn was the embodiment of America's new-found supremacy.

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And it was only now it had found expression.

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In 1974, John Glenn was elected to the Senate, and ten years later,

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he tried to become the Democratic candidate for president, but failed.

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And lift-off of Discovery with a crew of six astronaut heroes

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In 1998, he was still blazing a trail.

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Aged 77, he became the oldest person to go into space.

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Yes, I am still a little round-faced here today,

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and that comes from the fluid body shift that occurs.

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That's something, as I understand, that goes away

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Just a handful of minutes remain until...

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He'll be remembered, though, for his courage

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and bravery in the early years of America's space programme.

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A man, they said, that had the right stuff.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 9.30.

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Police force is reporting that 83 potential suspects have been

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identified in their investigation into allegations of historical child

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sexual abuse in football. The figures they are putting out

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indicate 98 football clubs have been impacted by allegations. Does not

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equate to 98 football club is under investigation, that the number of

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clubs referenced when information is submitted. That is all tiers of

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football through to Premier League clubs into amateur. The age range of

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potential victims is spending seven years, through to 20 years. 629

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referrals referred by the operation investigating the allegations.

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Coming directly from police forces and referrals from the NSPCC

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helpline. They will not break down the figure, into exactly what it

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means. Allegations made by potential victims or witnesses. Whether the

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information received is new or a duplication. They will have to break

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down those 629 referrals in terms of numbers. They went break the figure

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down any further, they want any figure released into the public

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domain to be completely accurate. The accurate figures they are

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putting out this morning, the latest figures are that 83 potential

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suspects have been identified, 98 football clubs have been impacted.

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The indicative number of victims provided as 350, they are saying

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that continues to apply until the process of analysing the information

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received by operation hydrant is released. The National police Chiefs

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Council putting out the latest figures they have. They want anyone

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who may have been a victim of child sexual abuse to get in touch.

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Regardless of how long going to happen, get in touch, they would

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treat all reports sensitively and seriously. Anyone with information

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is urged to come forward. We will keep you updated on that, and bring

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you more reaction to it, get in touch through the morning.

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use the hashtag #VictoriaLIVE and if you text, you will be charged

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England's batsmen managing to find form.

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It's been a difficult tour for England so far.

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Remember they were close to winning the first test,

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And then they lost the next two, so they MUST win this one

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And then they lost the next two, so they must win this one

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England's main problem has been scoring enough runs.

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They've really struggled against the Indian spin bowlers,

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but they've posted a competitive total in the first innings of this

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match They lost three wickets quite quickly at the start of today.

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But Jos Buttler and Jake Ball put together a vital partnership.

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Buttler made his return to the test side in the last match.

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Up until then he spent 14 months out of the team.

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He's seen as more of a one day specialist, but he scored 76.

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England did manage to get a breakthrough when india batted.

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Moeen Ali with the wicket But they've still got

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Yep, 2-0 against Zoria Luhansk - their first away win

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in Europe for three years - it means they're

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through to the knockout stages of the competition.

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They finished second in their group will go into monday's

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draw of 32 unseeded, but they're still one

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Interesting to see some of their big summer signings

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finally looking at ease in a Manchester United shirt.

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Henrik Mkhitaryan bought for ?26 million.

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But made a slow start to life at Old Trafford was often left out

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But he bagged his first goal was given man

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of the match last night, his performances have

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United fans will also be pleased with Zlatan Ibrahimovic who's

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on a great goal-scoring run at the moment.

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He got United's second, which was his seventh in 6 games.

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So lots of positives for United as they go

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into Sunday's Premier League clash with Tottenham on Sunday.

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Not such a good night for Southampton?

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Their 1-1 draw with Hapoel Beersheva meant

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they could only finish third in their group Southampton

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perhaps paid the price for their cautious approach,

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knowing they only needed a goal-less draw to progress.

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It all looked to be going according to plan, but with 12 minutes to go,

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37 years of public silence ended yesterday for Michelle Thomson

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when she stood in front of colleagues in the House

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of Commons and described the night when she was raped

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The independent MP for Edinburgh West talked

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about the horror and self-loathing she felt after her ordeal,

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and why she kept it secret for so many years.

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We will talk to Michelle in her first broadcast

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interview in a few minutes, but first let's have a listen

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Today, I am going to relay an event that happened to me many years ago,

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and I wanted to give a very personal perspective to help people in this

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place and outside understand one element of sexual

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As is common, it was by somebody who was known to me.

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He had offered to walk me home from a youth event,

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and in those days everybody walked everywhere, it was quite

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It was early evening, it wasn't dark, I was wearing,

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I'm imagining, I'm guessing jeans and a sweatshirt.

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I knew my way around where I lived, I was very comfortable,

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and we did go a slightly different way, but I didn't

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He told me he wanted to show me something in a wooded area,

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and at that point I must admit I was alarmed.

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I did have a warning bell, but I overrode that warning bell

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because I knew him and therefore there was a level of trust in place.

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And, to be honest, looking back at that point, I don't think

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It was not something that was talked about.

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My mother never talked to me about it, I didn't hear other girls

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It was mercifully quick, and I remember first

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of all feeling surprise, then fear, then horror

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as I realised I quite simply couldn't escape,

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because obviously, he was stronger than me.

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And there was no sense, even initially, of any

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sexual desire from him, which, I suppose, looking

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My senses were absolutely numbed, and thinking about it now,

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37 years later, I cannot remember hearing anything when I

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Now, as somebody who is an ex-professional

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musician who is very, very auditory, I find

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I now understand that your subconscious brain,

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not your conscious brain, makes a decision on your behalf

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as to how you should respond, whether you take flight,

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whether you fight, or whether you freeze.

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I was crying, I was cold and I was shivering,

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and I now realise of course that was the shock response.

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I didn't tell my mother, I didn't tell my father.

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I didn't tell my friends, and I didn't tell the police.

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I hoped, briefly and appallingly, that I might be pregnant so that

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that would force a situation to help me control it.

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And, of course, without support, the capacity and resources I had

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within me to process it were very limited.

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I was ashamed that I had allowed this to happen to me,

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and I had a whole range of internal conversations about,

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I should have known, why did I go that way,

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why did I walk home with him, why didn't I understand the danger?

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I deserved it because I was too this, too that.

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I felt that I was spoiled and impure, and I really felt

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I, of course, then detached from the child that up

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And although, in reality, at the age of 14, that was probably

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the start of my sexual awakening, at that time, remembering back, sex

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was something that men did to women, and perhaps this incident reinforced

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I now understand that even a brief period of hypersexuality

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is about trying to make sense of an incident and reframe

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My oldest friends, with whom I'm still friends, must have

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sensed a change in me, but because I never told them,

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they didn't know the cause, and I allowed myself to drift away

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And indeed, I found myself taking time off school and staying at home

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on my own, listening to music and reading and so on.

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I did have a boyfriend in later years of school,

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and he was very supportive when I told him about it,

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but I couldn't make sense in my response,

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and it is my response that gives weight to the event.

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I carried that guilt, anger, fear, sadness and bitterness for years,

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and when I got married 12 years later, I felt I had a duty

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I wanted him to understand why there was a swaddled kernel

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of extreme emotion at the very heart of me that I knew he could sense,

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but for many years, I simply could not say the words

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I could not say the words, and it was only in my mid-40s

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I took some steps to go and get help with it.

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So it had a huge effect on me and it fundamentally and fatally

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undermined my self-esteem, my confidence,

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Despite this, I am blessed in my life.

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I've been happily married for 25 years, but if this

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was the effect from one small - albeit significant -

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event in my life stage, how must it be for these women

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who are carrying this on a day-by-day basis?

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And I thought carefully, should I speak about this today?

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And that almost intake of breath -

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"What? You are going to go and talk about this?!"

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- was exactly the reason that motivated me to do it,

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because there is still a taboo about sharing this kind

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of information, and certainly for people of my generation,

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it is truly shocking to be talking in public about this sort of thing.

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And, as somebody remarked earlier, rape doesn't just affect the woman,

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it affects the family as well, and before my mother

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died early of cancer I really wanted to tell her,

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I have a daughter, and if something happened to my daughter

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and she couldn't share it with me, I would be appalled,

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and so it was possibly cowardly, but it was an act of love that

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Michelle's story reduced many of her colleagues to tears,

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including the House of Commons Speaker, John Bercow.

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I thank the honourable lady for what she has said

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and the way in which she said it, which has...

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left an indelible impression upon us all.

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Michelle, you were talking about something so deeply personal in a

:24:21.:24:34.

public forum like that, which cannot have been easy. What made you decide

:24:35.:24:40.

to speak? I think it was a whole range of things. I mean obviously,

:24:41.:24:44.

the debate itself was cross-party, and I had already planned to speak

:24:45.:24:50.

in the debate anyway. But there is so much in the public domain at the

:24:51.:24:56.

moment. Of course, your earlier right about some poor children who

:24:57.:24:59.

have been abused in football clubs, it is very much in the public domain

:25:00.:25:07.

and I think it is a really important part of my role as a public figure

:25:08.:25:11.

to help shape and influence things in wider society. I knew that if I

:25:12.:25:17.

could summon the courage to speak about this, it would get a much

:25:18.:25:23.

wider resonance than one person being able to tell their friends or

:25:24.:25:28.

so on, and I thought, I have to do this. Part of the thing about being

:25:29.:25:36.

an MP and setting aside politics and whatnot, it is actually about giving

:25:37.:25:40.

voice to people who are not able to speak out in the same way. So there

:25:41.:25:44.

were a number of factors coming together. What has been -- did what

:25:45.:25:51.

has been emerging over the child abuse allegations in football, and

:25:52.:25:54.

hearing so movingly from men talking about their previous experiences,

:25:55.:25:59.

impact on your decision? How much of a factor was that? As I said, it was

:26:00.:26:07.

a range of things. You make an important point, because this kind

:26:08.:26:10.

of abhorrent behaviour affects men as well. Men are subjected to rape

:26:11.:26:19.

and sexual assault as well. It was more simply that the opportunity was

:26:20.:26:23.

there in terms of the debate. I was going to speak in it anyway, and I

:26:24.:26:29.

thought it would be useful to offer that personal perspective. You could

:26:30.:26:34.

see when I was speaking that it was very real for me. All I was doing

:26:35.:26:40.

was recounting what happened to me and how it made me feel, so it made

:26:41.:26:47.

me very natural. The Commons feels like a very changed place these

:26:48.:26:51.

days. We have heard from several MPs talking about very personal

:26:52.:26:55.

experiences that have impacted deeply on their lives. We have heard

:26:56.:27:00.

MPs talking about stillbirth. We have seen MPs in tears in the

:27:01.:27:03.

Commons chamber. Does it now feel like the sort of environment where

:27:04.:27:08.

it is right to bring up these personal experiences, because it is

:27:09.:27:11.

a way of communicating with so many people out there who will be feeling

:27:12.:27:17.

the same, having experienced common situations that don't get talked

:27:18.:27:23.

about? Yeah, the Commons chamber can be a variety of things. Obviously,

:27:24.:27:28.

everybody will see Prime Minister's Questions, when there was a lot of

:27:29.:27:32.

sparring back and forth. And there are really political debates, where

:27:33.:27:39.

people are taking sides. Sometimes, to be honest, you can hear behaviour

:27:40.:27:43.

that is not helpful. And a bit of rudeness and argy-bargy and so on.

:27:44.:27:50.

But there is also the important cross-party debates, where people

:27:51.:27:53.

genuinely leave their politics at the door. It's not about politics,

:27:54.:27:57.

it's about human beings and it's about providing a forum for people

:27:58.:28:03.

to speak and engage on topics like this that are so important and

:28:04.:28:06.

affect people's lives on the day by day basis. To my mind, they are some

:28:07.:28:15.

of the best debates to take part in, because if you can help change

:28:16.:28:18.

things for people, that is a wonderful privilege. How much do you

:28:19.:28:24.

think has changed in terms of people coming out to talk about what has

:28:25.:28:27.

happened to them? We have been hearing from people who were

:28:28.:28:31.

affected many years ago, you included. But looking back to the

:28:32.:28:35.

14-year-old girl that you were at the time when you were struggling to

:28:36.:28:38.

understand what had happened to you, you did not know what rate was and

:28:39.:28:42.

you felt you couldn't talk to anybody, in the end, if it is a

:28:43.:28:48.

child, those confused feelings will always be there, however much

:28:49.:28:54.

awareness there is amongst others about what is going on. That is an

:28:55.:29:00.

important question. How much have things really changed? The fact that

:29:01.:29:06.

I was able to talk about that, obviously I have taken the time to

:29:07.:29:13.

give the right information to my own daughter and we have a close

:29:14.:29:17.

relationship. But I think we as a society are light years away from

:29:18.:29:23.

where we should be about keeping young children, women and girls

:29:24.:29:28.

safe. The statistics are huge about what many women, who incidentally

:29:29.:29:34.

will not be able to speak out, are subjected to on a day by day basis.

:29:35.:29:41.

I think we have so much further to go. Yes, we have clearly made

:29:42.:29:46.

progress. But we are nowhere near it yet. And some of the language I was

:29:47.:29:51.

using, I almost deliberately wanted to shock. I have heard some men use

:29:52.:29:58.

the kind of language... Well, she must have been asking for it. I have

:29:59.:30:04.

heard men say that in the last couple of years, and that is

:30:05.:30:10.

outrageous. For me, it is about changing society so that it becomes

:30:11.:30:18.

so completely unacceptable. Yes, we will take steps over people who have

:30:19.:30:21.

been involved in the sexual abuse of children, but we have to stop it

:30:22.:30:24.

happening in the first place and I think we have some way to go.

:30:25.:30:37.

What about changing the law? You are in a position to campaign on that

:30:38.:30:46.

platform. Do you see aspects of the law that you would like to

:30:47.:30:51.

potentially campaign on? To be honest, the law is clear about what

:30:52.:30:57.

is right and wrong. The difficulty is getting to a successful

:30:58.:31:03.

prosecution. We know the reporting rates for rape are very low. We can

:31:04.:31:09.

only guess, if people do not tell us about it. We know conviction rates

:31:10.:31:17.

are also very low. In a matter of law, it is vital somebody's given

:31:18.:31:22.

the premise of innocence before being proven guilty. We still have

:31:23.:31:29.

some way to go before that. This is continuing the talked about. All the

:31:30.:31:37.

agencies understand, and I don't think it is a matter of law, how we

:31:38.:31:41.

can go forward and build knowledge so that less of this happens, and if

:31:42.:31:48.

it is dealt with incredibly sympathetically. Prosecution and

:31:49.:31:56.

conviction can occur. We saw John Burke a to tears when he heard you

:31:57.:32:03.

speak. MPs have been tweeting about what you said, describing yourself

:32:04.:32:08.

as a survivor not a victim. Johnny Mercer said carriage. Another MP

:32:09.:32:14.

saying deeply inspiring speech about her ordeal. How did people react

:32:15.:32:28.

around yesterday. The whole response has been completely humbling. I was

:32:29.:32:33.

not really giving attention to anyone else. I was wrapped up in the

:32:34.:32:40.

story I was trying to relay. Did not see the speaker until after I had

:32:41.:32:48.

finished. I would like to give my thanks to the support I have

:32:49.:32:53.

received. It is people in the way that community, I had a huge amounts

:32:54.:33:04.

of e-mails. I am humbled. One very important thing I would stress, I

:33:05.:33:08.

would seek to bring the issue and put it squarely on the table, offer

:33:09.:33:15.

a personal perspective, so people understood how it affects lives.

:33:16.:33:23.

Trying to feed into driving change. Thank you to everybody who got in

:33:24.:33:27.

touch. What we really want to happen, is that it gives more focus,

:33:28.:33:32.

we can try and help other women, who I know will be suffering in silence.

:33:33.:33:39.

That is important about this. It is good to hear that you have had help.

:33:40.:33:44.

You have reached the stage where you can talk about it in the way you are

:33:45.:33:49.

talking about. All these years after the event, how do you feel about the

:33:50.:33:54.

importance of justice? Obviously an individual matter for anybody

:33:55.:33:58.

talking about historic allegations so far down the track. We have seen

:33:59.:34:02.

what has happened with the historic allegations of child abuse in

:34:03.:34:07.

football, what is your view on justice? We have seen everybody

:34:08.:34:15.

taking their own perspective. I articulated yesterday there are

:34:16.:34:20.

elements of my personality I now understand a word directly shaped by

:34:21.:34:25.

that event. The fact that I now understand that, in a curious way

:34:26.:34:29.

the position I have ended up in has given me strength to at least

:34:30.:34:32.

understand it. What I was trying to put across what I was saying when I

:34:33.:34:37.

was young, I did not have the faintest idea why I was behaving the

:34:38.:34:41.

way I did. I am not doing this to try and go after somebody. Not what

:34:42.:34:48.

it is about. It is about saying I am not a victim I am a survivor. Had it

:34:49.:34:56.

been even ten years ago, I would have said I want to go after him. I

:34:57.:35:02.

use to either lead daydream, if I could do this evening, do that, I

:35:03.:35:08.

was so angry and bitter. I not now. That, I would stress is a very

:35:09.:35:13.

personal perspective I am taking. Everybody must take the ring view

:35:14.:35:23.

about how they want to move forward. People have been subjected to

:35:24.:35:26.

terrible things, I would encourage people to do what is right for them.

:35:27.:35:31.

I would like to read out some tweets and e-mails we have in getting while

:35:32.:35:36.

he had been talking this morning. Glenn has said what a remarkable

:35:37.:35:41.

person, such strength in dignity interactions. Well done for standing

:35:42.:35:43.

up and speaking about this. Catherine had said I am 55, hearing

:35:44.:35:48.

Michelle Thomson brought back painful memories. Colin tweeted, I

:35:49.:35:53.

bow to you for shining a light, it will help many people. Joanna said I

:35:54.:35:58.

have heard the MP talking about when she was raped I felt that shame when

:35:59.:36:07.

I was raped by my stepfather at 12 years old, he is dead. It still

:36:08.:36:12.

makes me cry hearing the story brings it all back. Louise has said

:36:13.:36:18.

so brave from Michelle Thomson, a shame so many MPs did not bother to

:36:19.:36:21.

turn up for such an important debate. I have already had so many,

:36:22.:36:34.

what I would say to people I did go and get help. It took me until my

:36:35.:36:39.

mid-40s. I was embarrassed, I was not even able to say the word rape

:36:40.:36:44.

without welling up and crying. Never mind actually describing it. It was

:36:45.:36:49.

remarkably at that point I thought, this is an issue. I am carrying

:36:50.:36:54.

something. By the time I got married I knew that. I did not realise to

:36:55.:37:00.

what extent, and what debt. I would encourage everyone, go and do that.

:37:01.:37:06.

In a strange kind of way I have pushed back, it has set me free. It

:37:07.:37:15.

has given the liberty to move in my life, that I am pleased, ultimately

:37:16.:37:20.

I did go and get help. I would encourage other people to do the

:37:21.:37:24.

same. Thank you very much for taking time to speak to us this morning.

:37:25.:37:28.

Thank you for your comments on our interview with Michelle Thompson.

:37:29.:37:32.

Still to come: The World Anti-Doping Agency releases a second report this

:37:33.:37:34.

morning into state-sponsored doping in Russian sport.

:37:35.:37:36.

We'll be talking to a journalist in Moscow who's been

:37:37.:37:39.

Having a stroke at 14 years old is incredibly rare -

:37:40.:37:42.

but Connor Lynes went from being a healthy

:37:43.:37:44.

teenager to needing constant care after a stroke

:37:45.:37:46.

We'll bring you a special film with his story.

:37:47.:38:00.

Police forces across the country have reported that eighty-three

:38:01.:38:07.

potential suspects have been identified, in connection

:38:08.:38:10.

with allegations of historical child sexual abuse in football.

:38:11.:38:14.

The National Police Chiefs' Council says there have been 639 referrals

:38:15.:38:17.

to the nationwide police inquiry - Operation Hydrant -

:38:18.:38:19.

from the NSPCC helpline - and from police forces.

:38:20.:38:21.

It also says that ninety-eight clubs are thought to have been affected,

:38:22.:38:24.

but that doesn't mean they are under investigation.

:38:25.:38:40.

To anyone who has experienced sexual abuse as a young footballer, the

:38:41.:38:47.

NSPCC has a helpline which offers advice and support.

:38:48.:39:01.

The Conservatives have comfortably held the Lincolnshire seat

:39:02.:39:03.

of Sleaford and North Hykeham in a byelection, with Ukip

:39:04.:39:05.

Doctor Caroline Johnson took 54 per cent of the vote.

:39:06.:39:09.

It was a bad result for Labour, slipping from second

:39:10.:39:11.

place at the 2015 general election to fourth, behind

:39:12.:39:13.

Boris Johnson begins a visit to the Middle East today, less

:39:14.:39:18.

than 24 hours after he was publicly rebuked by Downing Street

:39:19.:39:20.

for comments he made about Saudi Arabia.

:39:21.:39:22.

The Foreign Secretary accused the country

:39:23.:39:23.

of engaging in "proxy wars" - prompting Number ten

:39:24.:39:26.

to insist his views did not represent government policy.

:39:27.:39:28.

Mr Johnson will travel to Saudi Arabia on Sunday.

:39:29.:39:41.

David Cameron has said he has no regrets about

:39:42.:39:43.

He made his comments during a speech at a university

:39:44.:39:47.

in the American state of Indiana, where he said he remained upbeat

:39:48.:39:49.

I believe that choice will be carried through.

:39:50.:39:54.

I think it's right that it is carried through.

:39:55.:39:57.

And, yes, there will be difficulties along the way,

:39:58.:40:01.

because it's a big change, but ultimately it can

:40:02.:40:03.

Councils in England made more than 750 million pounds from parking

:40:04.:40:07.

charges and fines last year - a rise of more than 60 million.

:40:08.:40:10.

Research from the RAC Foundation found that the largest totals

:40:11.:40:13.

The Local Government Association has insisted that councils do not make

:40:14.:40:16.

England's cricketers managed to post a competitive total

:40:17.:40:37.

in the fourth test against india in Mumbai Jos Buttler scored 76

:40:38.:40:40.

India are going well in reply though.

:40:41.:40:49.

England must win the match if they're to stay in the series

:40:50.:41:00.

Manchester United won two-nil away, at Ukrainian side Zoria Luhansk

:41:01.:41:02.

to secure their place in the knock out stages of the Europa League.

:41:03.:41:06.

It's their first away win in Europe for three years,

:41:07.:41:08.

despite playing in frozen temperatures, on a pitch

:41:09.:41:10.

manager Jose Mourinho described as "difficult".

:41:11.:41:11.

But Southampton were knocked out of the competition,

:41:12.:41:13.

on goal difference, after a one all draw at home to Israeli side,

:41:14.:41:16.

And Laura Kenny, has been named the Sunday Times

:41:17.:41:20.

It comes in the same year that she became Britain's most

:41:21.:41:24.

The 24-year old led the team pursuit squad to victory in Rio,

:41:25.:41:28.

and also successfully defended her omnium title.

:41:29.:41:40.

Top private schools in England are to offer up to 10,000 free

:41:41.:41:43.

places to low income families every year.

:41:44.:41:44.

It's in response to a government consultation which said independent

:41:45.:41:47.

schools need to do more to justify their charitable status

:41:48.:41:49.

Our political correspondent Ross Hawkins is here.

:41:50.:42:02.

What are they offering? We have had this for years, the debate about

:42:03.:42:10.

some of the most prestigious and wealthy situations are charities,

:42:11.:42:14.

they get big tax breaks. For years under pressure. The government has

:42:15.:42:20.

said if they do not act, they were right into law exactly what they

:42:21.:42:22.

have to do to justify being charities. They have said if the

:42:23.:42:27.

state gives us the cost of educating a child in the state sector, we will

:42:28.:42:33.

provide 10,000 places in England, paying the rest of the money and

:42:34.:42:37.

making the education available. Sounds like a pretty good offer, if

:42:38.:42:42.

you are on the receiving end. There are people questioning this morning

:42:43.:42:47.

what effect that has if you skim out some of the most motivated children

:42:48.:42:50.

from the state sector putting them into private schools. Do we want to

:42:51.:42:55.

be giving potentially millions of pounds of taxpayers money to some of

:42:56.:42:59.

these private is situations to educate students in the state

:43:00.:43:05.

sector? Does not shut down the debate about whether they should

:43:06.:43:09.

have charitable status? No prospect of that debate being shut down. They

:43:10.:43:15.

say they do much more by the way of charitable bursaries, help for

:43:16.:43:19.

individual students than they benefit from the tax break status.

:43:20.:43:24.

They think they are making the sort of size of Arthur of a scheme got

:43:25.:43:29.

rid of by Tony Blair back in 1997, when he came in with new Labour.

:43:30.:43:34.

Something of that scale already existed. They said they want to

:43:35.:43:40.

recreate something on that scale. Aiming it at lower income families.

:43:41.:43:45.

They hope it will give Theresa May an opportunity to say we are putting

:43:46.:43:49.

the squeeze on elite institutions, helping some of those people just

:43:50.:43:54.

about managing, in her phrase, we are miles away from seeing a precise

:43:55.:43:58.

design, and the government signing up to do this. Miles away from when

:43:59.:44:03.

it would start. They say if they got the green light, could be up and

:44:04.:44:08.

running in a couple of years. Regarding the argument about

:44:09.:44:11.

concerns of skimming out the most motivated and able pupils from the

:44:12.:44:20.

state sector. Who is raising the issue, and what are the private

:44:21.:44:27.

school saying? Estelle Morris, who got rid of the scheme in the 1980s,

:44:28.:44:36.

she is saying this scheme will not be just aimed at the brightest

:44:37.:44:39.

students. You do just that the test to get in. When they do, there is a

:44:40.:44:46.

way to design it so you are not just going after the very brightest. Not

:44:47.:44:50.

taking kids at to go to private school, potentially taking kids to

:44:51.:44:55.

go to a new grammar school, become offensive left with those who

:44:56.:45:00.

remain. They say they can design it correctly. They're waiting for the

:45:01.:45:03.

government to come to them and give them a hint as to how this would

:45:04.:45:08.

work. Certainly standing pretty ready to do something. If the

:45:09.:45:12.

charitable status was taken away, it would be a real blow to some of the

:45:13.:45:15.

smaller and less famous institutions.

:45:16.:45:17.

Pop stars Taylor Swift and Zayn Malik are collaborating

:45:18.:45:20.

on a new song for the soundtrack to the upcoming film

:45:21.:45:22.

We'll be looking at the wild reception this news has

:45:23.:45:26.

A major report into the use of banned drugs in Russian sport

:45:27.:45:35.

It's the second report on the subject commissioned

:45:36.:45:40.

The first part claimed that Russia had a state-sponsored

:45:41.:45:50.

drugs programme in sport, and it resulted in hundreds of

:45:51.:45:52.

the nation's athletes being banned from the Rio Olympics this summer.

:45:53.:45:57.

Since then, historical drug tests have been checked again,

:45:58.:45:59.

including some from the 2012 Olympics, with several Russian

:46:00.:46:01.

athletes stripped of major medals after positive results.

:46:02.:46:03.

Here's a reminder of how the scandal unfolded.

:46:04.:46:06.

It's the worst doping scandal in history, but how did we get here?

:46:07.:46:09.

Talk of Russian doping has been around for years.

:46:10.:46:12.

Just days before the Beijing Olympics, seven athletes

:46:13.:46:15.

were suspended for providing fake urine samples.

:46:16.:46:20.

Four years later in London, Russia had a successful Games,

:46:21.:46:24.

a total of 71 medals in what was called

:46:25.:46:26.

In 2014, a German TV station broadcast claims that most Russian

:46:27.:46:37.

athletes were using banned substances, and that Russian

:46:38.:46:41.

officials could make positive tests disappear for cash.

:46:42.:46:44.

The World Anti-Doping Agency set up an independent commission

:46:45.:46:51.

to look into the claims, headed by this man, its former

:46:52.:46:54.

The same TV station and the Sunday Times then

:46:55.:46:58.

this time claiming that so-called blood doping is rife in athletics,

:46:59.:47:03.

with 80% of Russian medal winners under suspicion.

:47:04.:47:05.

It said the sport's governing body, the IAAF, had done next

:47:06.:47:07.

The then frontrunner to lead that organisation, Lord Coe,

:47:08.:47:11.

I don't think anybody should underestimate the anger that is felt

:47:12.:47:18.

in our sport in the portrayal in the last few days

:47:19.:47:20.

of a sport that has done, historically, absolutely nothing.

:47:21.:47:28.

We've led the way on this, and that in some way, we sit

:47:29.:47:31.

on our hands at best, and at worst are complicit

:47:32.:47:33.

in a cover-up, that just is not borne out by anything we have done

:47:34.:47:37.

A few months later, Wada's independent commission

:47:38.:47:40.

Russia was guilty of systemic state-sponsored doping.

:47:41.:47:46.

Then, more confirmation - the International Olympic Committee

:47:47.:47:50.

said it had retested frozen samples from the Beijing

:47:51.:47:53.

31 athletes from Beijing failed those retests -

:47:54.:47:57.

23 athletes from London also failed - eight of those

:47:58.:48:03.

Another round of retesting found another 45 positive

:48:04.:48:08.

Russian track and field athletes were banned

:48:09.:48:13.

from the Rio Olympics, and all athletes

:48:14.:48:16.

The independent report by Canadian Professor Richard McLaren

:48:17.:48:21.

being released today is expected to give details of doping at

:48:22.:48:24.

Let's talk now to Andrew Steele, a British Olympic athlete -

:48:25.:48:40.

Dimitry Babich from the Sputnik News Agency in Moscow -

:48:41.:48:42.

and in Sheffield, Dr Tom Bassindale a forensic toxicologist.

:48:43.:48:52.

Tom, we don't know what will be in this report today, but there has

:48:53.:48:57.

already been a lot of evidence stacked up against Russia. How do

:48:58.:49:01.

you see the allegations that we are hearing? The main thrust of

:49:02.:49:06.

today's's report will probably be on the athletes themselves. The first

:49:07.:49:13.

reports of there were 600 or so samples that had simply disappeared

:49:14.:49:19.

and not been analysed. And there were 60 or so samples where the

:49:20.:49:25.

results had been changed. So the thrust of this report will be naming

:49:26.:49:28.

those people and trying to get to the bottom of what they used and

:49:29.:49:32.

maybe seeing if they can go back and test historical samples from those

:49:33.:49:39.

athletes. Andrew, you have felt the effect of competing against athletes

:49:40.:49:44.

who have been cheating because when you were in the 2008 Olympic relay,

:49:45.:49:49.

you've finished fourth. You subsequently were told you should

:49:50.:49:52.

have had the third-place medal, because the Russians who won the

:49:53.:49:57.

bronze were cheating. Tell us about how you discovered this. Well, we

:49:58.:50:01.

finished fourth some eight years ago in Beijing. We had a Russian team,

:50:02.:50:05.

and one of the athletes has since been implicated in this retest. They

:50:06.:50:10.

retest of the samples eight years later and an adverse analytical

:50:11.:50:16.

findings showed up in that. So by default, the Russian team lose that

:50:17.:50:20.

third place and the British team, the fourth placed team, upgraded in

:50:21.:50:25.

theory to third place. So in some way, we have had a more successful

:50:26.:50:33.

result that we had at the time. But so long after the event. How do you

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feel about it? Well, either happy to be able to say, we were the rightful

:50:39.:50:43.

third-place finishers. But it is a shame to have missed out on the

:50:44.:50:46.

opportunity to stand on the podium. In my career, that was the closest I

:50:47.:50:52.

got. So it was a real shame to not experience that at the time. Do you

:50:53.:50:56.

think it had an impact on your career? As an athlete, when you can

:50:57.:51:01.

present the fact that you have secured an Olympic medal, do other

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things follow from that and if you don't get one, do you lose out? I do

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believe that sporting success is built on small changes in a

:51:10.:51:13.

trajectory when things go well or don't go well. As you can see, when

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somebody wins, winning begets winning. I do believe it would have

:51:19.:51:22.

been an important factor for me going forward, especially to the

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London 2012 games four years after Beijing, if I had been able to say I

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had come back from my first Olympic Games with a medal. That would have

:51:30.:51:35.

helped my performance. Dmitry from the Sputnik newsagency in Moscow,

:51:36.:51:38.

Russia has paid the price this summer for what went on at Rio. Is

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this an issue of national shame? I think it should be an issue of

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national shame for Britain, the United States and Canada. While I

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understand that I am speaking against everything you have said in

:51:55.:51:57.

the last ten minutes, you simply didn't mention a lot of facts. All

:51:58.:52:04.

the Russian track and field federation were banned from

:52:05.:52:06.

participating in the Rio Olympics. I think that is a shame, because the

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responsibility should be individual. You are trying to turn it around on

:52:13.:52:16.

other countries, but it is Russia that has been found to have that

:52:17.:52:20.

state-sponsored doping programme going on. It has meant that athletes

:52:21.:52:28.

like Andrea lost out. Let me finish. If you look at what happened, the

:52:29.:52:32.

whole Russian team of track and field were not allowed to go to Rio,

:52:33.:52:40.

despite having a majority of athletes who never failed that the

:52:41.:52:45.

ping tests. And there were some American and British athletes who

:52:46.:52:48.

had failed that test before, but who still went to Rio. You can obviously

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debate the scale of the punishment and whether the punishment fits the

:52:55.:52:57.

crime and clearly you don't think so, but in terms of what Russia was

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doing, how wrong was that? I am try to speak, and you interrupt me. The

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problem is the fact that British athletes spoke for disqualification

:53:19.:53:21.

of the full Russian team. That had never happened before. Politics were

:53:22.:53:26.

involved in sports before. There are all these terrible boycotts of the

:53:27.:53:30.

Olympic Games in Moscow in 1980, or the games in Los Angeles in 1984.

:53:31.:53:34.

But at least we were always friends with each other. There were problems

:53:35.:53:40.

between Carter and Brezhnev, but no problems between athletes. The fact

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that now, British athletes, the whole team asked for the whole

:53:44.:53:45.

Russian team to be disqualified, that is a shame that is how it is

:53:46.:53:51.

understood in Russia. The allegations against Russia are not

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of individuals doping off their own bat in an unlinked way, the

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allegations against Russia are of a state-sponsored programme of doping.

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Isn't that different from what has been alleged elsewhere? When you

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check an athlete, if you find in his blood the remnants of doping, then

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he is guilty. It doesn't matter if it was the state or another

:54:22.:54:24.

individual who infected him with that doping. In this report, he said

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he thought the Russian state was involved. He spoke about certain

:54:34.:54:39.

scratches on urine tests. We have never even seen the photos of these

:54:40.:54:44.

scratches, let alone the scratches themselves. All his accusations are

:54:45.:54:59.

based on the testimony of one individual who

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fled to the United States and immediately started to make

:55:00.:55:04.

accusations, probably under duress from the American side. I want to

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get Andrew to respond to what you are saying. Dmitry is saying that

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the Russians feel they have been unfairly punished. What do you think

:55:16.:55:20.

about the fact that a whole team was banned for what happened? I agree it

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is a terrible shame. It should not be something that is celebrated, and

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I am not celebrating the fact that there was a team ahead of me that

:55:28.:55:31.

were then subsequently banned. There were athlete in that four by 400

:55:32.:55:35.

metre team that did not fail that test in, so they lose out, which is

:55:36.:55:39.

somewhat unfair. However, my opinion is that if the system itself is

:55:40.:55:44.

doing Russian athletes wrong, how else are we to elicit change unless

:55:45.:55:50.

there is a large-scale move made in order to create a consequence to

:55:51.:55:53.

this? I don't believe it should just be on Russia. The equivalent of this

:55:54.:55:59.

McLaren report should go for every federation there is. Why don't we

:56:00.:56:03.

investigate that? Or the importance should be put on this level of

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in-depth investigation into every governing body that puts a team

:56:07.:56:14.

forward for a major championship. Dr Tom Baxendale, the spotlight has

:56:15.:56:18.

been shone on what is going on. How much have things changed? Well, you

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heard there that Russia are denying that there was really a problem. No,

:56:23.:56:31.

you are misquoting me. The Russian officials said there was a problem

:56:32.:56:36.

and they set up an independent commission, headed by Olympic

:56:37.:56:39.

champion which is now checking or the actions of the anti-doping

:56:40.:56:46.

agency in Russia. So that is not true, we did not deny that there was

:56:47.:56:52.

a problem. But the whole team, the collective punishment, that was

:56:53.:56:56.

unfair. In that case, the investigation needs to be taken out

:56:57.:56:59.

of the hands of the Russians. It needs to go to an independent body.

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That is what this report might tell us today. The World Anti-Doping

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Agency needs to be independent. Currently, the World Anti-Doping

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Agency is funded by the Olympic Committee and the national sponsored

:57:13.:57:14.

federations and national governments. So clearly, they have

:57:15.:57:20.

slight conflict-of-interest in place there. A third of the wider members

:57:21.:57:24.

are members of the International Olympic Committee. So if you want to

:57:25.:57:28.

make it fully independent, the World Anti-Doping Agency needs funding and

:57:29.:57:32.

it needs to be left to do its own independent reports. I agree that a

:57:33.:57:36.

McLaren type report could be undertaken on many more countries if

:57:37.:57:40.

that were the case, but it needs a lot more finance and more

:57:41.:57:43.

independents together to do that. Thank you all very much, thank you

:57:44.:57:52.

for your views on this. You can watch live coverage of the report as

:57:53.:57:56.

it is released from 11.15 on the BBC News Channel.

:57:57.:58:00.

Still to come: Postnatal depression is often seen as a illness

:58:01.:58:02.

which affects new mums, but around one in 10

:58:03.:58:04.

With no support for men under the NHS guidelines,

:58:05.:58:07.

we'll be asking just after 10 if men are suffering in silence.

:58:08.:58:16.

Let's get the latest weather update.

:58:17.:58:24.

We have some slightly cooler weather on the way this weekend, but today

:58:25.:58:30.

is mild again. The winds are from the south or Southwest, blowing in a

:58:31.:58:34.

lot of cloud and perhaps some rain. We have had some cracking sunrise

:58:35.:58:40.

pictures this morning. Lovely, colourful skies.

:58:41.:58:52.

You can see the extent of the cloud we have got, most of it coming in on

:58:53.:58:57.

these weather fronts. It is producing some drizzle and outbreaks

:58:58.:59:02.

of rain. The main area of wetter weather stretches across parts of

:59:03.:59:06.

Wales and northern England, then heading across Northern Ireland and

:59:07.:59:11.

into Scotland. Diddy south of that, it is dull, drizzly and misty. Slow

:59:12.:59:18.

improvements across the Midlands and East Anglia. It should brighten up

:59:19.:59:23.

as the cloud lifts, boosting temperatures. Further north across

:59:24.:59:27.

England and into the north and west of Wales, we will have a zone of

:59:28.:59:30.

much more cloud that will bring rain at times. It will turn wetter in the

:59:31.:59:39.

afternoon for Northern Ireland. Northern Scotland may see a glimpse

:59:40.:59:46.

of sunshine. It becomes dry overnight across Scotland and

:59:47.:59:50.

Northern Ireland. Our main rain and trickles southwards. A lot of low

:59:51.:59:55.

cloud. A bit misty in the south-east, where winds are lighter.

:59:56.:00:06.

Here, we will catch a few blustery showers tomorrow. So does the north

:00:07.:00:11.

and west of Scotland. But for much of England and Wales, cloud will be

:00:12.:00:15.

thickening. Rain will debate developing through the day. A

:00:16.:00:27.

miserable, wet afternoon. As we head into the second half of the weekend,

:00:28.:00:31.

we are all going to get into some cooler and fresh air. That is behind

:00:32.:00:35.

that weather frontage eventually takes the rain away from England

:00:36.:00:39.

overnight. Over the top of that area of high pressure, we get a westerly

:00:40.:00:44.

breeze. These are the temperatures in the towns and cities, not

:00:45.:00:51.

desperately cold, but chillier than it has been. We follow that with a

:00:52.:00:55.

bright and breezy day on Sunday. Some rain across the north and west

:00:56.:00:59.

of Scotland. Temperatures will be a bit lower than today.

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Hello I'm Joanna Gosling, welcome to the programme if you've

:01:07.:01:11.

In the past hour police forces have announced that they've identified

:01:12.:01:17.

eighty three potential suspects and ninety eight clubs in connection

:01:18.:01:20.

with the ongoing child sexual abuse scandal in football.

:01:21.:01:23.

Over six hundred referrals from a NSPCC helpline have

:01:24.:01:25.

also been received - we'll be bringing you all

:01:26.:01:27.

Post natal depression is often seen as a illness

:01:28.:01:31.

which affects new mums - but around one in ten

:01:32.:01:33.

With no support for men under the NHS guidelines we'll be

:01:34.:01:37.

asking just after ten - are men suffering in silence?

:01:38.:01:44.

And - an early Christmas present for music fans.

:01:45.:01:46.

Taylor Swift and Zayn Malik have announced they've got together

:01:47.:01:56.

"Fifty Shades Darker" - it's sent social media into a spin.

:01:57.:01:58.

Taylor gave fans a taste of the song on her Twitter and Instagram feeds.

:01:59.:02:11.

Police forces across the country are saying that eighty-three

:02:12.:02:28.

potential suspects have been identified, in connection

:02:29.:02:30.

with allegations of historical child sexual abuse in football.

:02:31.:02:46.

also says there have been 639 referrals

:02:47.:02:54.

to the nationwide police inquiry - Operation Hydrant -

:02:55.:02:56.

from the NSPCC helpline - and from police forces.

:02:57.:02:58.

It says that ninety-eight clubs, from premier to amateur,

:02:59.:03:00.

have been referenced but are not necessarily under investigation.

:03:01.:03:02.

we will speak to Richard Conway on this in a few minutes time.

:03:03.:03:08.

Some of the top public schools in England are to offer up to 10,000

:03:09.:03:11.

free places to low-income families each year.

:03:12.:03:18.

It's part of proposals being put to the government,

:03:19.:03:21.

which is currently holding a consultation on the

:03:22.:03:23.

Ministers have previously called on independent schools to do more

:03:24.:03:26.

to benefit ordinary families, in order to justify their tax breaks

:03:27.:03:29.

Police in Scotland will contact MP Michelle Thomson after she revealed

:03:30.:03:32.

The independent MP told the House of Commons she was attacked

:03:33.:03:37.

in a wooded area 37 years ago by someone she knew.

:03:38.:03:40.

This morning, she's told this programme why

:03:41.:03:41.

It is an important part of my role as a public figure to help shape and

:03:42.:03:59.

influence things in wider society. I knew if I could summon the courage

:04:00.:04:02.

to speak about this it would get a much wider resonance than one person

:04:03.:04:08.

being able to tell their friends and so one. I sort of thought I have to

:04:09.:04:15.

do this. Part of the thing about being an MP, setting aside politics,

:04:16.:04:22.

it is actually about giving voice to people who are not able to speak out

:04:23.:04:23.

in the same way. The Conservatives have comfortably

:04:24.:04:26.

held the Lincolnshire seat of Sleaford and North Hykeham

:04:27.:04:28.

in a byelection, with Ukip Doctor Caroline Johnson took 54

:04:29.:04:30.

per cent of the vote. It was a bad result for Labour,

:04:31.:04:33.

slipping from second place at the 2015 general

:04:34.:04:36.

election to fourth, behind Sir Malcolm Rifkind said the jury is

:04:37.:04:53.

out on whether Boris Johnson can stay in the job.

:04:54.:04:59.

He begins a visit to the Middle East today, less

:05:00.:05:01.

than 24 hours after he was publicly rebuked by Downing Street

:05:02.:05:04.

for comments he made about Saudi Arabia.

:05:05.:05:05.

Malcolm Rifkind said he should not have made a statement completely out

:05:06.:05:10.

of accordance with government lines. A major report into the use

:05:11.:05:20.

of banned drugs in Russian sport It's the second report

:05:21.:05:23.

on the subject commissioned The first part claimed that Russia

:05:24.:05:26.

had a state-sponsored drugs programme in sport,

:05:27.:05:30.

and it resulted in hundreds of the nation's athletes being banned

:05:31.:05:32.

from the Rio Olympics this summer. A lot of people getting in touch

:05:33.:05:39.

after the interview with Michelle Thompson he said in the Commons

:05:40.:05:45.

yesterday she had been raped. It moved some MPs to tears yesterday.

:05:46.:05:50.

Sandra has e-mailed to say is I never told anybody I was raped at 13

:05:51.:05:56.

for 30 years. I told my sister, she could not believe I had not told

:05:57.:06:00.

her. I did not what my family to know, because they would feel they

:06:01.:06:03.

could not protect me and would feel guilty. Cathy said I have seen

:06:04.:06:09.

Michelle Thomson's interview, I had a similar experience at the age of

:06:10.:06:13.

13. I have a personal story that is sad, but the speech was a comfort.

:06:14.:06:18.

We must educate young men not to do this. Obviously our thoughts go out

:06:19.:06:24.

to you if you have suffered experiences like that. Get in touch

:06:25.:06:26.

throughout the morning. The Fourth Test is evenly poised,

:06:27.:06:33.

as the the second day between England India draws

:06:34.:06:44.

to a close in Mumbai. England must win the match remember

:06:45.:06:53.

if they're to stay in he series. Earlier Jos Buttler helped his side

:06:54.:06:57.

post a competitve 400 all out. Buttler shared a vital partnership

:06:58.:07:00.

with tail-ender Jake Ball England Buttler shared a vital partnership

:07:01.:07:05.

with tail-ender Jake Ball. England managed to get

:07:06.:07:10.

a breakthrough when India batted - Moeen Ali with the wicket of opener

:07:11.:07:12.

Rahul since then though, the hosts have recovered

:07:13.:07:15.

and are looking set for a big total A few moments ago

:07:16.:07:17.

they were 104 for 1. Manchester United are into the knock

:07:18.:07:23.

out stage of the Europa League. They needed a draw in Ukraine,

:07:24.:07:26.

to be sure of progression, Henrikh Mkhitaryan got his first

:07:27.:07:41.

goal for United. Zlatan Ibrahimovic scored his second in the final

:07:42.:07:45.

minutes. If you look at the numbers, playing in the opponent's half, it

:07:46.:07:52.

was a team to win. Yes, I have to say they were good enough to give us

:07:53.:07:56.

a difficult match. The match was difficult.

:07:57.:07:59.

But Southampton are out, after a one all draw

:08:00.:08:02.

All the Saints needed was a goal-less draw,

:08:03.:08:05.

so Saints' late equaliser proved irrelevant as they finished third

:08:06.:08:08.

Anthony Joshua makes the second defence,

:08:09.:08:16.

of his IBF World Heavyweight title tomorrow, when he fights

:08:17.:08:18.

Joshua is undefeated in 17 professional bouts.

:08:19.:08:21.

Former champion Wladimir Klitschko, who the British figther is expected

:08:22.:08:23.

to fight in the spring, will be ringside.

:08:24.:08:30.

I have two beat Molina in good fashion, to go on and beat

:08:31.:08:41.

Klitschko. I will not make him look like a novice. Every is step up, he

:08:42.:08:43.

is adding to the progression. Laura Kenny has been named

:08:44.:08:46.

the Sunday Times Sports-woman of the Year It comes in the same

:08:47.:08:49.

year she became Britain's most The 24-year old, who recently

:08:50.:08:52.

married fellow cyclist Jason Kenny, led the team pursuit squad

:08:53.:08:55.

to victory in Rio and also successfully

:08:56.:08:57.

defended her omnium title. Paracyclist champion

:08:58.:08:59.

Dame Sarah Storey, came second, with Olympic taekwondo gold

:09:00.:09:01.

medallist Jade Jones third. Roughly one in five mothers have

:09:02.:09:19.

post-natal depression, but it's claimed up to one in ten

:09:20.:09:21.

dads suffer from it too. Today, there's an international

:09:22.:09:24.

event looking at myths, facts and realities surrounding

:09:25.:09:26.

post-natal mental health But only one speaker will be talking

:09:27.:09:28.

about the mental health of fathers. Despite studies suggesting many men

:09:29.:09:33.

live with post-natal depression, campaigners say there is no support

:09:34.:09:35.

for men under the NHS guidelines - So are these fathers

:09:36.:09:38.

suffering in silence? Lloyd Philpott, is an expert

:09:39.:09:51.

in post natal depression from University College Cork,

:09:52.:09:57.

Matt Padley, suffered from PND and Jessica Warne is a mother who did

:09:58.:10:00.

too - she founded a charity, Thank you for joining us. Mark, you

:10:01.:10:14.

suffered from postnatal depression, you campaign about it. Not something

:10:15.:10:19.

I have ever heard of, postnatal depression in men, tell us about

:10:20.:10:24.

your experiences, when you realise you had a problem? I had never

:10:25.:10:30.

suffered from a depression, 30 years of age, my wife had a dramatic

:10:31.:10:35.

birth. I had a panic attack, I thought my wife and the baby would

:10:36.:10:39.

die in the labour ward. From that, my wife had severe postnatal

:10:40.:10:43.

depression. I had to give up work to look after her. I love my work,

:10:44.:10:48.

there was no money coming in, we had a mortgage. The stigma, telling my

:10:49.:10:54.

best friends and family. All in the short space of time. I started to

:10:55.:10:59.

get suicidal thoughts. When you say you had to give up your job, was

:11:00.:11:03.

there because of the matter support you had to get your wife, or because

:11:04.:11:07.

you are struggling and could not cope? Mobley was talking about

:11:08.:11:16.

postnatal depression, let alone father's. I was worried about my

:11:17.:11:22.

wife, I could not tell her, I wanted her to get better, suffered for six

:11:23.:11:27.

years. I was not diagnosed, but I would have been to date. It got so

:11:28.:11:31.

bad, you said you considered taking your own life? I never made a plan.

:11:32.:11:41.

The second time, when I had a full on breakdown, my coping skill was

:11:42.:11:45.

drinking. The first year, my personality change, I was angry,

:11:46.:11:51.

busted my hand, totally out of character. Six years I suffered,

:11:52.:11:57.

really I was put on medication and counselling. You said you felt you

:11:58.:12:02.

had to support your wife, how vulnerable did that make you? Even

:12:03.:12:10.

now, thinking about it, 12 years ago, I think of that time, horrible

:12:11.:12:17.

experience for us. A lot of families break up. I mentioned, you have

:12:18.:12:25.

struggled with postnatal depression. You have three children. Tell us

:12:26.:12:32.

your experiences? My experience postnatal depression came after the

:12:33.:12:35.

birth of our second child. Our first son. I struggled after the birth of

:12:36.:12:42.

our daughter, the eldest child. Feeling I was not living up to my

:12:43.:12:46.

own expectations of being a dad. Falling short of what other people

:12:47.:12:51.

expected of me. Finding things everybody else found straightforward

:12:52.:12:57.

difficult. Getting your children to go to sleep. I know that is not an

:12:58.:13:03.

easy task, many people struggle. Having to be the provider. Having to

:13:04.:13:08.

be strong, because I have not been through the physical changes, coping

:13:09.:13:12.

with all of that. Rather like Mark I reached a point after the birth of

:13:13.:13:19.

our second child, it's all got too much for me to cope with. To the

:13:20.:13:25.

point, where something straightforward snapped. I came home

:13:26.:13:30.

from work curled up in a ball in bed, my wife came home, finding me

:13:31.:13:39.

there. From there, the story has been more positive, up until that

:13:40.:13:42.

point, did not feel like I could talk to anyone about it. Did you

:13:43.:13:49.

think postnatal depression? Not something associated. I had some

:13:50.:13:57.

contact with two GPs. I reached a point where I decided I needed to do

:13:58.:14:01.

something about it. A male GP dismissed the comments told me to

:14:02.:14:11.

man up. -- dismissed it, told me to man up. Told me to pull it together,

:14:12.:14:19.

essentially, that I chose to have children, that is my responsibility,

:14:20.:14:22.

get on with it. As you could imagine, not an honestly helpful. I

:14:23.:14:31.

went to see a second GP. Who took the time to have a chat with me,

:14:32.:14:36.

find out what is going on. Whilst she did not diagnosed me as having

:14:37.:14:40.

postnatal depression, she drew a very clear link between what I was

:14:41.:14:45.

feeling, how I was feeling about life, not just about being a dad,

:14:46.:14:48.

everything else, and the birth of our second child. You said you would

:14:49.:14:54.

look at other people, thinking they were coping. Everybody else's baby

:14:55.:15:00.

was sleeping through the night. Everyone will totally identify with

:15:01.:15:04.

that feeling. Everybody else's coping brilliantly, you are not. As

:15:05.:15:08.

men, how much harder is it to speak up? Women do not always, but within

:15:09.:15:14.

the health service, when you go for postnatal checks, questions are

:15:15.:15:18.

asked. Questions are not specifically asked of dads. I don't

:15:19.:15:23.

remember anybody asking me how I was feeling, how it was doing poster.

:15:24.:15:30.

Certainly I felt I did not have the right to even talk about it. Did not

:15:31.:15:35.

have the right to complain. As a dad, it is your job. We're in an

:15:36.:15:40.

interesting period, there is a desire for lots of dads to be far

:15:41.:15:43.

more involved children than they have been historically. We have not

:15:44.:15:48.

worked out as a society what we do about that, how we talk about it. If

:15:49.:15:53.

your mates had asked you how you were doing, all you had known each

:15:54.:15:59.

other, or having made to suffer the same feelings, but did not speak

:16:00.:16:06.

openly, would you have responded differently? If someone asked you

:16:07.:16:12.

how you are feeling? The time I opened up after the breakdown is to

:16:13.:16:15.

a gentleman you have the same experience. We were in the gym,

:16:16.:16:19.

side-by-side. That is how I started the organisation. I realised more

:16:20.:16:24.

fathers were going through the same experience as me. I did not know but

:16:25.:16:31.

depression was. 12 years ago the stigma was there. The education

:16:32.:16:38.

behind it, I could not tell my best friends at that time. Really hard.

:16:39.:16:44.

When you did start talking to them...? Best thing I have done.

:16:45.:16:52.

Seeking help in the first place. Matt, it is awful to hear that you

:16:53.:16:56.

were effectively told to man up when you first talk somebody about it.

:16:57.:17:01.

Did you subsequently start talking to friends, and how did they

:17:02.:17:05.

respond? I am fortunate to be surrounded by a good group of male

:17:06.:17:09.

friends, but even talking to them, I was hesitant to use the word

:17:10.:17:15.

postnatal. We were talking about this before. There is still a kind

:17:16.:17:23.

of, postnatal and men, it gets a reaction. I was talking about how I

:17:24.:17:28.

was feeling, but it was only a few years down the line that I started

:17:29.:17:31.

to talk about it being postnatal depression rather than just

:17:32.:17:39.

depression. I do mean just, but yes. Jessica, you set up a charity to

:17:40.:17:43.

help women with postnatal depression, and what we are hearing

:17:44.:17:47.

from Mark and Matt is something that women who have experienced it would

:17:48.:17:53.

complete jabber defy with. Is male postnatal depression something you

:17:54.:17:58.

have come across? Absolutely. We as a charity support the family as a

:17:59.:18:02.

whole, so we look at both the mum and dad and if there are any older

:18:03.:18:06.

siblings, if they need support as well. Dads are something we come

:18:07.:18:10.

across a lot. We have a number of dads using our services, receiving

:18:11.:18:16.

counselling throughout charity and also accessing peer support via our

:18:17.:18:23.

charity. And very recently, in the last few weeks, we have had our

:18:24.:18:28.

first referrals of dads from health professionals, which is a fantastic

:18:29.:18:31.

move. And hopefully, it will keep increasing. Lloyd Philpott, you are

:18:32.:18:37.

an academic who has done studies on postnatal depression. And to hear

:18:38.:18:42.

that health authorities are starting to refer men for treatment, tell us

:18:43.:18:48.

about the scale of male postnatal depression from what your research

:18:49.:18:53.

has found? We have found that over the last ten years, there has been

:18:54.:18:58.

an increase in academics looking at the mental health of fathers. There

:18:59.:19:08.

is a prevalence of approximately 10% of fathers who have been trusted

:19:09.:19:12.

postnatal depression. We are struggling to hear you a bit. We

:19:13.:19:16.

will try and come back to you if we can improve the line. I just want to

:19:17.:19:21.

read out a few e-mails. Angela says, my ex-husband had bad postnatal

:19:22.:19:25.

depression. He could not sleep at night and through embarrassment

:19:26.:19:29.

would not go back to work even when the foreman came to the house to

:19:30.:19:33.

talk to him. This resulted in us losing our house. I never found out

:19:34.:19:37.

the facts until years later. We had no support and it was a factor in

:19:38.:19:41.

our later divorced. Paul says, postnatal depression can affect men,

:19:42.:19:46.

but it is not recognised by most medical professionals. Rosie says

:19:47.:19:49.

one in five mums suffer postnatal depression. One in ten dads will

:19:50.:19:53.

suffer postnatal depression. There must be support for both. And James

:19:54.:20:00.

says Domino support for males suffering from postnatal depression.

:20:01.:20:03.

Mark and Matt, women tend to be good at talking to each other, although

:20:04.:20:07.

not in all cases do they reveal when there are struggling because of

:20:08.:20:11.

exactly what you were saying about always imagining others are coping

:20:12.:20:18.

better. Do men need to get better at talking to each other? We know about

:20:19.:20:22.

suicide rates among men. I would like to see more research into this.

:20:23.:20:29.

I think you feel the same, Matt, yeah? Do we need to get better at

:20:30.:20:36.

talking to each other? I think as a society, we have got better at

:20:37.:20:39.

talking about mental health, but there is still a barrier for lots of

:20:40.:20:44.

men in opening up and being seen to be vulnerable in a society that

:20:45.:20:49.

still doesn't really think that is acceptable. So I think there needs

:20:50.:20:55.

to be a societal change. It is not just about men changing, it is about

:20:56.:21:00.

how we respond as a society to mental health more broadly, but in

:21:01.:21:05.

particular for men and what they struggle with. Lloyd Philpott, what

:21:06.:21:09.

would you identify as the ways of getting to grips with this and

:21:10.:21:17.

providing help? We have to increase awareness among the general public

:21:18.:21:19.

and among mental health professionals. In a wider context,

:21:20.:21:27.

we started by introducing paternity leave, which has been shown to

:21:28.:21:32.

increase fathers' involvement and decrease depression in them. It

:21:33.:21:39.

starts with health care professionals, especially screening

:21:40.:21:44.

fathers who are at high risk. When a mother is diagnosed with postnatal

:21:45.:21:47.

depression, the father or partner has a higher risk. Following on from

:21:48.:21:57.

that, when we screen, we need a referral programme. We certainly

:21:58.:22:00.

need to increase awareness among health care professionals. What Matt

:22:01.:22:06.

said his GP said, that is what tends to happen in society. Men are taught

:22:07.:22:13.

to be self-reliant. So while society wants us to be more open, we need

:22:14.:22:21.

more gender equality by increasingly support to fathers and the mother

:22:22.:22:35.

and the baby. Lloyd Philpott, thank you. Thank you also, Mark Williams

:22:36.:22:38.

and Matt and Jessica. We've had this comment for NHS

:22:39.:22:46.

England - a statement reads: We know that men with mental health

:22:47.:22:49.

conditions face barriers to accessing care due to stigma

:22:50.:22:51.

surrounding mental illness. A serious illness like a stroke can

:22:52.:23:12.

devastate a person's life for ever. But what happens when you're fit

:23:13.:23:15.

and healthy one day, to then being told you'll have

:23:16.:23:17.

to face a life-saving operation and will need constant care,

:23:18.:23:20.

at the age of just 14? Strokes in children

:23:21.:23:23.

are incredibly rare - affecting around five out of every

:23:24.:23:24.

100,000 children a year in the UK. But Connor Lynes was determined

:23:25.:23:27.

to use his experience of a stroke The doctor came home,

:23:28.:23:30.

and said if you don't get him down to surgery right now,

:23:31.:23:44.

it could be fatal, You can't tell them goodbye,

:23:45.:23:46.

you can't tell them, I just want to talk to them and say,

:23:47.:23:55.

yeah, I've had a nice life, it's been a good run,

:23:56.:24:02.

and bye, basically. As a little boy, he was quiet,

:24:03.:24:06.

he was loving, and he was just Connor lost his dad, aged one,

:24:07.:24:14.

and after that there was a few issues with mum,

:24:15.:24:23.

hence why Connor came Without rugby in my life,

:24:24.:24:26.

I probably would have done something stupid,

:24:27.:24:34.

because I probably wouldn't have Rugby's, like, got rid

:24:35.:24:39.

of the aggression, it was like a protection in a kind

:24:40.:24:45.

of way, because you're getting off the streets,

:24:46.:24:47.

you're getting away from people you don't want to hang around with,

:24:48.:24:50.

and it's getting rid of that anger He was out five nights

:24:51.:24:53.

a week training. He was always out with his mates,

:24:54.:24:57.

kicking a ball about. He slept with a rugby ball,

:24:58.:25:02.

you know, everything It was a dream, because any normal

:25:03.:25:04.

kid of my age from Hull would want to be part of,

:25:05.:25:08.

like, the Rovers. It was just an ordinary Saturday

:25:09.:25:17.

morning, the boys got on the pitch, About ten minutes from the end,

:25:18.:25:20.

Connor called for the ball, ran the ball in, but he ran into two

:25:21.:25:28.

bigger lads, and There was nothing there

:25:29.:25:32.

to raise any warning signs Well, I woke up, and I heard Connor

:25:33.:25:37.

going across the landing and I shouted through to Connor,

:25:38.:25:53.

and I heard this, like, all I can describe it was

:25:54.:25:55.

like a wailing sound, and I knew then instantly

:25:56.:25:58.

there was something not So I got to the bathroom,

:25:59.:26:00.

and my daughter was behind me, and he was just slumped over,

:26:01.:26:05.

and one side of the body was just slumped, and there was like fluid

:26:06.:26:09.

coming out of his mouth. He couldn't talk, he

:26:10.:26:12.

couldn't raise his arms. I think in the back of my mind

:26:13.:26:14.

I thought, he's having a stroke, and then again I thought,

:26:15.:26:17.

he's too young. The doctor came home,

:26:18.:26:26.

and said it could be fatal, He started moving his arms and legs,

:26:27.:26:28.

he was able to write his name, What basically made me get out

:26:29.:26:52.

of bed is because I wanted to be and walk, and, yeah.

:26:53.:26:58.

for my kids, so just try When they told us that I couldn't

:26:59.:27:18.

play rugby again, it was just like, it felt like you were outside

:27:19.:27:21.

of the room, you were not hearing And it did hurt, but you just

:27:22.:27:25.

don't want to cry to A lot of people looked at Connor,

:27:26.:27:32.

and think, he's fine, he's doing very well,

:27:33.:27:36.

but in reality he's He's still got a blood clot

:27:37.:27:38.

on his brain, he's got a narrowing They can't stent it, and they can't

:27:39.:27:42.

remove the blood clot, So every day, Connor lives

:27:43.:27:46.

with the fear of having another COMMENTATOR: And this is a lovely,

:27:47.:27:52.

lovely touch by the Rovers, Connor Lynes, he has been signed

:27:53.:27:56.

by Hull Kingston Rovers, and he takes squad number 41

:27:57.:28:00.

for this, and the rest He's gone from wanting

:28:01.:28:02.

to play rugby to now just wanting to help others,

:28:03.:28:13.

and he said to me, he used to get a buzz out of scoring tries

:28:14.:28:17.

at rugby, but now he gets a buzz out I said to Sara one day,

:28:18.:28:20.

I want to help people who have helped me, and she went,

:28:21.:28:24.

OK, well, how do And I went charity work,

:28:25.:28:27.

because it's probably the main thing how to help people who have got

:28:28.:28:30.

learning difficulties When I'm with a kid like Jack,

:28:31.:28:33.

it's amazing, he smiling, and he's knowing who you are,

:28:34.:28:44.

it's like a boost to carry on, It's just gone from strength

:28:45.:28:48.

to strength, he just comes up with his own ideas,

:28:49.:28:51.

like designing his own rugby ball, and rugby shirt, and he did that,

:28:52.:28:54.

and he puts it out there on social media, and people have really

:28:55.:28:57.

bought into the idea. For someone to be so young and to be

:28:58.:29:14.

able to go out and explain and teach the younger children about brain

:29:15.:29:18.

injury, and what the effects This is a picture of you presenting

:29:19.:29:20.

us with the cheque for ?1,000, which we are so gratefully

:29:21.:29:30.

appreciative of. He is the most inspirational young

:29:31.:29:34.

man that I've ever met. Sometimes I say, why is it me,

:29:35.:29:51.

it's always me, because I've just had so much to cope with,

:29:52.:29:54.

more than obviously a lot of 14-year-olds have had to deal

:29:55.:29:58.

with in their entire life. It is hard times, but you just try

:29:59.:30:10.

and get out of bed and make something of what you've been given,

:30:11.:30:14.

like, because you just don't want to waste life,

:30:15.:30:16.

because you don't know One Connor Lynes, there's

:30:17.:30:18.

only one Connor Lynes! Southern Railway's owners lose their

:30:19.:30:37.

High Court case to stop a series of strikes by train drivers. We will

:30:38.:30:41.

look at the continuing impact on long-suffering travellers. Plus pop

:30:42.:30:45.

stars tell us was done Zayn Malik are collaborating on a new song for

:30:46.:30:51.

the soundtrack of the film British egg starker. It is generating a lot

:30:52.:30:56.

of excitement. -- from the film 50 shades darker. is the

:30:57.:31:14.

Police forces across the country are saying that eighty-three

:31:15.:31:16.

potential suspects have been identified, in connection

:31:17.:31:18.

with allegations of historical child sexual abuse in football.

:31:19.:31:20.

also says there have been 639 referrals

:31:21.:31:23.

to the nationwide police inquiry - Operation Hydrant -

:31:24.:31:25.

from the NSPCC helpline - and from police forces.

:31:26.:31:27.

It says that ninety-eight clubs, from premier to amateur,

:31:28.:31:30.

have been referenced but are not necessarily under investigation.

:31:31.:31:32.

we will speak to Richard Conway on this in a few minutes time.

:31:33.:31:43.

only have been getting glimpses of how big this may be. The figures to

:31:44.:31:50.

days seem to give us a clearer sense of the scale? They do, the numbers

:31:51.:31:59.

described by the NSPCC as shocking. They say they revealed the deeply

:32:00.:32:06.

disturbing extent of the abuse going on. The football hotline that was

:32:07.:32:11.

launched, with the support of the FA, the NSPCC said they have had a

:32:12.:32:19.

staggering amount of calls. People can come forward in confidence, they

:32:20.:32:25.

will be listened to and supported. Those figures outlining the scale of

:32:26.:32:32.

the problem facing football. 83 potential suspects. 98 football

:32:33.:32:42.

clubs impacted. To anyone who has experienced sexual abuse as a

:32:43.:32:47.

footballer, the NSPCC has a free helpline offering advice and

:32:48.:32:47.

support. Some of the top public schools

:32:48.:32:56.

in England are to offer up to 10,000 free places to low-income

:32:57.:32:59.

families each year. It's part of proposals

:33:00.:33:01.

being put to the government, which is currently holding

:33:02.:33:03.

a consultation on the Ministers have previously called

:33:04.:33:05.

on independent schools to do more to benefit ordinary families,

:33:06.:33:09.

in order to justify their tax breaks The Conservatives have comfortably

:33:10.:33:11.

held the Lincolnshire seat of Sleaford and North Hykeham

:33:12.:33:26.

in a byelection, with Ukip Doctor Caroline Johnson took 54

:33:27.:33:28.

per cent of the vote. It was a bad result for Labour,

:33:29.:33:32.

slipping from second place at the 2015 general

:33:33.:33:34.

election to fourth, behind The number of beds closed in English

:33:35.:33:49.

hospitals because of suspected Nora virus were higher than average. 655

:33:50.:33:55.

beds close each day between the 1st of December and the 4th of December,

:33:56.:34:00.

an increase in 16.5% of last winter. Higher than average for the last

:34:01.:34:07.

five years. 19,000 people were admitted to hospital after self

:34:08.:34:09.

harming in England and Wales last year. A rising 14% over the last

:34:10.:34:17.

three years according to the NSPCC. The NHS figures should be a real

:34:18.:34:21.

wake-up call to all those who cared about young people's well-being. It

:34:22.:34:27.

is one of the most common reasons for children to contact the service.

:34:28.:34:40.

The RAC Foundation says the amount of money councils in England

:34:41.:34:43.

generated from parking charges and fines rose

:34:44.:34:45.

The charity says that after deducting running costs,

:34:46.:34:48.

local authorities made 756 million pounds.

:34:49.:34:55.

England's cricketers managed to post a competitive total in the fourth

:34:56.:35:08.

test against india in Mumbai They made exactly 400 ,

:35:09.:35:10.

but India are looking set to make a big first innings

:35:11.:35:13.

England must win the match if they're to stay in the series.

:35:14.:35:30.

Manchester United won 2-0 away, at Ukrainian side Zoria Luhansk

:35:31.:35:32.

to secure their place in the knock out stages of the Europa League.

:35:33.:35:35.

It's their first away win in Europe for three years,

:35:36.:35:38.

despite playing in frozen temperatures, on a pitch

:35:39.:35:40.

manager Jose Mourinho described as "difficult".

:35:41.:35:41.

But Southampton were knocked out of the competition,

:35:42.:35:43.

on goal difference, after a 1-1 draw at home to Israeli side,

:35:44.:35:46.

And Masters champion Danny Willett shot a four-under-par 66 to move

:35:47.:35:49.

five strokes behind leader Rafa Cabrera-Bello

:35:50.:35:51.

Willett - who dropped out of the world's top ten last month -

:35:52.:35:55.

That is all the sport. More on the BBC News Channel through the day.

:35:56.:36:01.

When the Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson, makes his speech

:36:02.:36:03.

in Bahrain later to mark the beginning of a visit

:36:04.:36:06.

to the Middle East there will be great interest.

:36:07.:36:08.

And that is because of what he's said about Saudi Arabia,

:36:09.:36:11.

and the way he's been slapped down by the Prime Minister Theresa May.

:36:12.:36:14.

He's accused the country of engaging in "proxy wars",

:36:15.:36:16.

which didn't go down too well in Number 10.

:36:17.:36:18.

Let's get more now with our Political

:36:19.:36:20.

Not the greatest prelude to a trip for the Foreign Secretary. I think

:36:21.:36:39.

he will certainly be under pressure to employ some of those diplomatic

:36:40.:36:43.

skills which have not been at the forefront for the last few days.

:36:44.:36:49.

Boris Johnson, it emerged, had said he believed Saudi Arabia along with

:36:50.:36:54.

Iran had been puppeteering, employing proxy wars through the

:36:55.:36:59.

region. He said there was a lack of leadership, leading to a lot of

:37:00.:37:05.

problems in the region. Just after the Prime Minister had been out in

:37:06.:37:11.

the Gulf, unprecedented honour of attending a meeting of the Gulf

:37:12.:37:14.

cooperation Council. Meeting the King of Saudi Arabia. Announcing new

:37:15.:37:19.

security cooperation. Talking about how important Saudi Arabia was in

:37:20.:37:24.

terms of cooperation, and countering terrorism. Downing Street made it

:37:25.:37:32.

clear his comments were not the policy of the government.

:37:33.:37:36.

Interesting she also said this weekend he would be expected to

:37:37.:37:43.

express the views of the government. Downing Street's irritation very

:37:44.:37:47.

clear. It seems as if Boris Johnson is carrying on. He still has the

:37:48.:37:52.

confidence of the Prime Minister. Does not seem to be facing much

:37:53.:37:55.

pressure at all to stand down, despite the fact he may have ruffled

:37:56.:38:01.

a few feathers. He will have to smooth them down this weekend in the

:38:02.:38:05.

region. What is the relationship like between him and Theresa May?

:38:06.:38:15.

There is a tension there. Downing Street and Theresa May cracking

:38:16.:38:19.

jokes Boris Johnson's expense. Questioning at the party conference

:38:20.:38:25.

whether she will get through the week with him staying on message.

:38:26.:38:29.

Cracking a joke at his expense at an awards ceremony. Theresa May is

:38:30.:38:34.

somebody who likes to keep things very calm, very control. Boris

:38:35.:38:40.

Johnson is a flamboyant, outspoken character. It is clear they have not

:38:41.:38:46.

seen eye to why on all these things. There is a tension. Interesting to

:38:47.:38:52.

hear Sir Malcolm Rifkind saying he felt the jury was out as to whether

:38:53.:38:59.

Boris Johnson could continue in that role. If he was not able to stick to

:39:00.:39:03.

the script, perhaps you might be better rough in another high-profile

:39:04.:39:08.

position. I'm sure Boris Johnson would not agree with that. He

:39:09.:39:12.

clearly has a lot of support in the party. Interesting to hear quite a

:39:13.:39:16.

few members of the foreign affairs select committee saying they believe

:39:17.:39:21.

too much fuss has been made. Perhaps Downing Street was to

:39:22.:39:27.

-- was a bit too swiftly slapping down. Perhaps they seek there was

:39:28.:39:31.

some truth in what saying. The owners of Southern Railway have

:39:32.:39:39.

lost their High Court case to stop a series of strikes

:39:40.:39:41.

by train drivers. All Southern services will be hit

:39:42.:39:43.

for three days next week and six days in January,

:39:44.:39:46.

in a dispute about Also strike days next week, three

:39:47.:39:48.

straight days. So how's it going to go

:39:49.:40:11.

down with commuters, let's talk to Kim Walker

:40:12.:40:18.

in Brighton, she was platform and says she's not been

:40:19.:40:21.

able to travel for several weeks. And Andrew Elliott -

:40:22.:40:25.

he commutes daily from Crowborough and says constant delays

:40:26.:40:27.

and cancelled trains is having a big thank you both. Tell us what

:40:28.:40:36.

happened to you, Kim? I was on the front of the platform, somebody

:40:37.:40:41.

pushed from behind, very crowded. To stop myself falling onto the tracks,

:40:42.:40:46.

I had to stretch one of my legs out, pushing backwards, in doing so, I

:40:47.:40:52.

injured my hip and back. How crowded does it get? It gets very crowded.

:40:53.:41:00.

All you need is one of the two trains going up and down the

:41:01.:41:04.

Brighton line to be cancelled, you can have over 1000 people squeezing

:41:05.:41:08.

onto one train. It gets completely mad. How do you feel about it all?

:41:09.:41:17.

I'm feeling desperate and frustrated. All I want to be able to

:41:18.:41:22.

do is go to work, not be worried about how it is going be, how long

:41:23.:41:29.

it is going to take, am I going to sit down, am I going to have to

:41:30.:41:34.

squeeze in and stand? If I get a direct train it will take one hour,

:41:35.:41:39.

ten minutes. Unless I buy a first-class ticket I don't get a

:41:40.:41:43.

seat. There are stories of people losing jobs because of the problems

:41:44.:41:48.

this is causing. What impact has it had on your work commitments?

:41:49.:41:57.

Everything else going on. I have not been able to get into my office in

:41:58.:42:02.

London for one month because injury. Yesterday my Doctor signed me from

:42:03.:42:09.

for another month. I cannot go into my office until January. Very

:42:10.:42:14.

fortunate my employers are really understanding and generous. I can

:42:15.:42:18.

work from home. Most of my work. Some of it is not getting done. Do

:42:19.:42:24.

you know others whose work has been affected? Friends unable to get to

:42:25.:42:29.

work, employers not quite so understanding. I know somebody

:42:30.:42:36.

self-employed, losing contracts, and a huge amount of money, because she

:42:37.:42:40.

was constantly turning up late for meetings in the city. I know another

:42:41.:42:45.

lady who took early retirement, she could not cope with the stress.

:42:46.:42:50.

Three hour commutes all the time. Which is what it is taking us. Most

:42:51.:42:56.

days at the moment. Three hours, what should it be. It should take?

:42:57.:43:06.

It should take one hour, 45 minutes door-to-door. Almost doubling.

:43:07.:43:12.

Because of the unreliability, having to change trains. That sort of

:43:13.:43:21.

thing. Andrew. You Jimmy Daley from Crowborough. What is your

:43:22.:43:28.

experience? -- YouTube meet daily. Very similar. Or service for the

:43:29.:43:33.

last 18 months, two years. Now the strikes have come in, exasperating

:43:34.:43:39.

the issues. Going home particularly, a bit of a lottery. You cannot rely

:43:40.:43:46.

on the Twitter feed from Southern, it is inaccurate. The feed in the

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website not quite accurate. You have to pitch up in the station, hoping

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the train is running. I had one instance where the train was

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cancelled midway through the route. Lead driver to pick it up half.

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Effectively did not operate halfway down the line. That is not uncommon.

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Your commute is extended. You miss things like putting your kids to

:44:24.:44:28.

bed. Helping my partner, my wife, getting them bathed and fed. You

:44:29.:44:32.

miss the quality time. It does have an effect on family life. You

:44:33.:44:38.

question why you do it. The role I have with my family comedy

:44:39.:44:51.

experience the industry, I don't have... We are having to cancel

:44:52.:45:00.

meetings, we cannot rely on the train service getting us there on

:45:01.:45:04.

time. Getting us around the country. Frustrating. Doesn't seem to be an

:45:05.:45:15.

-- seem to be in end in sight. A lot of posturing. We just want something

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to happen. You said your job is where it is, you live where you left

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me cannot change those. Have you considered changing one of the

:45:25.:45:29.

elements, to try and get rid of the issue? It is not incumbent on me to

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do that. I pay for a service to Southern, they do not deliver. When

:45:40.:45:45.

you hear people saying why don't you move? Why and how I can sell my

:45:46.:45:51.

house. I moved there because of the train station. How my game and get

:45:52.:45:56.

someone else to buy the house? Not incumbent on me to do that. They

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should deliver the service we pay for.

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Southern rail say they have made many compromises with the RMT union

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and they say the dispute is not their fault. Talks have been going

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on and we have made a number of compromises. They came out in our

:46:18.:46:20.

8-point plan that we put the RMT. The RMT did not put the plant of

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their members, so we would like them to do that. We have been listening

:46:25.:46:28.

to people and try to find a compromise. But we will not come

:46:29.:46:40.

from eyes on our desire to improve the way we operate our service for

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our customers. A quick final thought from you, Andrew. They say they are

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doing what they can. When you look at the issues that this strike is

:46:47.:46:48.

over, the work-to-rule, do you have sympathy with the side that? I did,

:46:49.:46:54.

but sympathy has run out. That only addresses a small part of some of

:46:55.:47:00.

the underlying issues that Southern rail have, you know, the faulty

:47:01.:47:08.

trains, their information service is poor. There are a number of facts

:47:09.:47:11.

that go towards the issues they are suffering. The main ones are that

:47:12.:47:17.

their conductors and drivers are now disputing with them. But there are a

:47:18.:47:24.

number of issues. They talked a lot of words, but we don't see much

:47:25.:47:28.

coming from them in terms of action. This has been going on for a long

:47:29.:47:33.

time now. Thank you all for joining us. If you are affected by any of

:47:34.:47:42.

those issues, let us know your experiences. There are going to be

:47:43.:47:45.

three days of strikes next week, so it will be an ongoing issue next

:47:46.:47:50.

week and beyond. Six days of strikes are planned in January. Get in touch

:47:51.:47:55.

and if you are happy for us to talk to you, let us know about that.

:47:56.:48:01.

We heard earlier from an MP who spoke in the Commons yesterday about

:48:02.:48:07.

the fact that she was at raped at the age of 14. After that, 37 years

:48:08.:48:13.

of public silence ended yesterday for the independent MP for Edinburgh

:48:14.:48:16.

West, Michelle Thompson, when she stood in front of colleagues in the

:48:17.:48:19.

House of Commons and described the night when she was raped as a

:48:20.:48:20.

14-year-old girl. Speaking to me a little earlier,

:48:21.:48:23.

Michelle said it was still far too hard for victims of sexual violence

:48:24.:48:26.

to come forward. The fact that I was able to talk

:48:27.:48:33.

about that, obviously I've taken the time to give the right

:48:34.:48:38.

information to my own daughter to keep her safe

:48:39.:48:41.

and we have a close relationship. But I think we as a society

:48:42.:48:46.

are light years away from where we should be

:48:47.:48:53.

about keeping young children, The statistics are huge

:48:54.:48:55.

about what many women, who incidentally won't be able

:48:56.:49:01.

to speak out, are subjected I think we've got so

:49:02.:49:04.

much further to go. And some of the language

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I was using, I almost I have heard some men use

:49:13.:49:21.

the kind of language... "Well, she must have

:49:22.:49:26.

been asking for it". I have heard men say that

:49:27.:49:31.

in the last couple of years, For me, it's about changing

:49:32.:49:34.

society so that it becomes Yes, we will take steps over people

:49:35.:49:43.

who have been involved in sexual abuse of children,

:49:44.:49:52.

but we have to stop it happening in the first place, and I think

:49:53.:49:55.

we've got some way to go. When you talk about change,

:49:56.:50:02.

I presume you're talking about changing society, having more

:50:03.:50:04.

transparency, more openness. You're in a position

:50:05.:50:06.

to campaign on that platform. Do you see aspects of the law

:50:07.:50:15.

that you would like to To be honest, the law is clear

:50:16.:50:18.

about what is right and wrong. The difficulty is not with the law,

:50:19.:50:25.

the difficulty is getting We know the reporting rates

:50:26.:50:28.

for rape are very low. We can only guess, if people

:50:29.:50:35.

don't tell us about it. We know conviction rates

:50:36.:50:43.

are also very low. In a matter of law, it is vital

:50:44.:50:50.

that somebody's given the premise of innocence

:50:51.:50:57.

until being proven guilty. But we still have some

:50:58.:51:02.

way to go in that. All the agencies understand,

:51:03.:51:05.

but I don't think it is a matter of law, it's about how we can

:51:06.:51:12.

go forward and build of this happens, and if it

:51:13.:51:15.

does happen, it is dealt and a prosecution and

:51:16.:51:19.

conviction can occur. We saw John Bercow moved to tears

:51:20.:51:25.

when he heard you speak. MPs have been tweeting

:51:26.:51:30.

about what you said, describing yourself

:51:31.:51:32.

as a survivor, not a victim. Another MP saying deeply inspiring

:51:33.:51:38.

speech about her ordeal at 14. How did people react

:51:39.:51:49.

around you yesterday? The whole response has been

:51:50.:51:54.

completely humbling. When I was giving my speech,

:51:55.:51:58.

I was not really giving I was very much wrapped up

:51:59.:52:01.

in the story I was trying to relay. I did not see the Speaker

:52:02.:52:11.

until after I had finished. I would like to give my thanks

:52:12.:52:25.

for the support I have received. It is also people in

:52:26.:52:34.

the wider community, I had huge amounts of

:52:35.:52:36.

e-mails and messages. But one very important

:52:37.:52:38.

thing I would stress to bring the issue and put it

:52:39.:52:47.

squarely on the table, and offer a personal perspective,

:52:48.:52:51.

so people understood how so that that could try to feed

:52:52.:52:53.

into driving change. Thank you to everybody

:52:54.:52:57.

who got in touch. But what we really want to happen

:52:58.:53:01.

is that it gives more focus. We can try and help other

:53:02.:53:04.

women who I know will be That is the important

:53:05.:53:07.

thing about this. Of course, Michelle Thomson does

:53:08.:53:18.

have a right to anonymity, but she waved that right in talking to us.

:53:19.:53:23.

If you have been affected by any of the issues we have been talking

:53:24.:53:26.

about, you can find a list of helplines at the BBC action line.

:53:27.:53:31.

Taylor Swift and Zayn Malik have just dropped a big surprise to music

:53:32.:53:34.

fans by announcing they've got together on a new song

:53:35.:53:37.

for the soundtrack to the upcoming film Fifty Shades Darker.

:53:38.:53:43.

I Don't Wanna Live Forever unexpectedly appeared in the US

:53:44.:53:45.

iTunes Store just before midnight Friday US eastern time.

:53:46.:53:47.

And it's sent social media into a spin.

:53:48.:53:50.

Taylor herself gave fans a taste of the new collaboration

:53:51.:53:52.

# Just lost the love of my life. # Baby, baby, I feel crazy.

:53:53.:54:13.

# Up all night, all-night. # I gave you something, but you gave

:54:14.:54:18.

me nothing. # What is happening?

:54:19.:54:21.

# I don't want to live for ever #. Let's get the lowdown

:54:22.:54:27.

on this new collaboration. Alicia Adejobi is the senior

:54:28.:54:30.

entertainment reporter for International Business Times

:54:31.:54:31.

just us via webcam. Well, they know how to play their

:54:32.:54:41.

fans and get media attention, don't they? They definitely do. It came as

:54:42.:54:47.

a huge surprise to us here at the International business Times. As far

:54:48.:54:51.

as we know, Taylor and Zayn Malik have never worked together in music

:54:52.:54:54.

before and we have never seen them hang out together, so it came as a

:54:55.:54:59.

surprise and fans are loving it. As far as we know, the connection seems

:55:00.:55:06.

to be Suzy Habib, who is best friends with Taylor Swift and is

:55:07.:55:11.

currently Zayn Malik. So maybe not such an unexpected collaboration.

:55:12.:55:21.

Maybe not now, but previously, Zayn was obviously a member of One

:55:22.:55:25.

Direction and Taylor was rumoured to be dating Harry Styles, so it is a

:55:26.:55:28.

big surprise that she has aligned herself with another One Direction

:55:29.:55:34.

star. ITunes describe it as two of pop's brightest stars teaming up for

:55:35.:55:43.

a sure-fire hit. It is already a hit. It has reached number one on

:55:44.:55:49.

the iTunes chart and fans have given it prose. Taylor Swift sounds

:55:50.:55:52.

amazing and Zayn sounds good as well. When you have 82.5 million

:55:53.:55:59.

followers on Twitter, as Taylor Swift has, and you put something out

:56:00.:56:03.

that you are doing on your Twitter feed, you are inevitably going to go

:56:04.:56:07.

into the stratosphere with it pretty quickly. Definitely, and Taylor

:56:08.:56:12.

Swift is one of the biggest stars in the world, so anything she does

:56:13.:56:15.

pretty much turns to gold. And Zayn Malik is at the top of his game at

:56:16.:56:19.

the moment as well, so it is a match made in pop heaven. Is this going to

:56:20.:56:26.

be a new way... We are seeing all the time has liberties communicate

:56:27.:56:31.

with their fans directly via Twitter. Is this the way it is going

:56:32.:56:34.

to be when they have these huge followings, as it cuts through

:56:35.:56:38.

everything else? It definitely does. It is a way of giving back to their

:56:39.:56:43.

fans directly, and it cuts out the middleman. It is easier for them to

:56:44.:56:47.

do it themselves. Like you say, when you have a reach as big as Taylor

:56:48.:56:51.

Swift of 80 million plus followers, it makes sense to premiere your

:56:52.:56:54.

music through that channel. And even though she has that many followers,

:56:55.:56:58.

I guess when you are following her and you get a tweet from her, it

:56:59.:57:04.

feels like a personal connection. Definitely. Taylor has so many fans

:57:05.:57:08.

and she is known for having a close relationship with her fans. She

:57:09.:57:12.

often invites them to her house when she is promoting something. So there

:57:13.:57:15.

is definitely a good connection there. What do you think of the

:57:16.:57:21.

song? On the first listen, I was a bit unsure, but now it has grown on

:57:22.:57:25.

me. It is definitely going to be a grower for a lot of people and it is

:57:26.:57:32.

definitely going to be a hit. Who do you think has influenced who more in

:57:33.:57:36.

it? From the sounds of it, it sounds as though Zayn has tailored himself

:57:37.:57:44.

more to Taylor Swift. His voice sounds higher and I think it is

:57:45.:57:48.

something Taylor Swift would have released, not so much Zayn. So he

:57:49.:57:52.

has probably taken her lead on this. Thank you very much for joining us.

:57:53.:58:01.

A couple of quick comments on the Southern rail issues we were talking

:58:02.:58:06.

about earlier. Julia says, I am 62 and I have Parkinson's and I have no

:58:07.:58:09.

choice but to sit on the luggage rack whilst travelling to Brighton.

:58:10.:58:13.

And another tweet says, I am a mother and commute to London for

:58:14.:58:18.

work. I have to pay so much in extra charges for childcare and also

:58:19.:58:23.

losing quality time. They are going to have three days of strikes on

:58:24.:58:26.

Southern rail next week. We will have full coverage.

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