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I'm Victoria Derbyshire, welcome to the programme.

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This morning, the village in Hungary which appears to be trying

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to create a white utopia, and wants British

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TRANSLATION: Real refugees live in a multicultural society, where Muslim

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immigrants have become the majority. We'll bring you that

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exclusive report shortly. Also on the programme,

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measures to tackle the high cost of renting are being announced

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by the Government today. It's being seen as an attempt

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to accept that for some people owning their own home

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will never happen. I've never owned my own home. I am a

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regulated tenant, I can stay in my home for life and I pay a fair

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event. I rent and I have resigned myself to the fact that I will have

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the rent for the rest of my life. If you rent, have you given up hope

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of ever buying your own property? What would you like to see

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the Government announce today? After those humiliating emails

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which showed he was cross about not getting a knighthood,

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it's emerged that a hacker demanded money in return

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for not publishing them. Here he is talking about his

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charity work in the past. Every time that you see different

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devastations around the world in different situations, you always

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feel you can do more, or you want to do more.

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Throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news

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A little later we'll bring you the story of a flight attendant

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who rescued a young girl from human traffickers after leaving

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a secret note for her in the loo of the plane.

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If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

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The Government is setting out its strategy for fixing what it

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says is a "broken housing market in England" and hitting its target

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of building a million new homes by the year 2020.

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Plans will include more help for first-time buyers,

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and measures to make rental agreements more secure.

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Britain's house-building programme has been

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Today, the Government says it is time to change.

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It wants councils to put pressure on developers to speed up,

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but also says it wants to protect greenbelt land wherever possible.

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Prices are too high, we are not building enough homes,

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and this white paper is a radical blueprint to change

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The Government says it wants more prebuilt houses to help

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But for some, like Jennifer Tristram, the only choice is to rent

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When I was looking, I remember there wasn't that much option out

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there for what I wanted and what I could afford.

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I think anybody who is in that same situation will probably be

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feeling that struggle, probably even more so than I did

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The Government says smaller builders should get help to boost the housing

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stock, and it's encouraging older people to downsize, so long

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Labour says the housing strategy is in a mess and today's white paper

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With us now is our political guru Norman Smith.

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What difference will be plants make? It depends whether the plans,

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reality, because we have had so many different Government plans on

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housing, and it has not cracked the basic goblin. To get more houses

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built. One thing today, the Government are again saying, hands

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off the green belt, so many developers will say, the difficulty

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is we cannot access sufficient land to build the vast number of houses

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that are meant. But one interesting aspect of the plans is we are seeing

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a definite week away from the idea that everybody should own a home, to

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maybe just settling for renting a home. That is a recognition that

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house prices have gone crazy, they are not affordable for many people,

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and they are not going to be able to own a home. That is different from

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the Thatcher years, even the David Cameron years, where there was an

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instinctive aspiration, that people wanted to own a home. Now the

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Government are trying to encourage developers to build more flats to

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rent to encourage longer tenancies and to shift the market more in

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favour of renting, in the hope that might enable more people to get a

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decent roof over their head. We know that renting is a huge

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issue, finding an affordable, decent place is massive, so do get in

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touch. We will talk about the plans just after 9:30am.

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Joanna Gosling is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The Commons Speaker John Bercow has been strongly criticised

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after telling MPs that President Trump should not be

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allowed to address Parliament when he visits the UK.

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Mr Bercow was cheered by opposition MPs when he told the Commons that

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addressing Parliament was "not an automatic right",

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but an "earned honour" for foreign leaders.

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One Tory MP described his intervention as

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It's an honour that's bestowed on Popes and Presidents.

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A speech to both Houses of Parliament in the splendour

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of Westminster Hall was part of the itinerary when these

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But the same invite may not be coming Mr Trump's way.

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In an astonishing intervention, the Commons Speaker said recent

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decisions by the President made him uneasy about issuing an invitation.

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I feel very strongly that our opposition to racism

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and to sexism and our support for equality before the law

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and an independent judiciary are hugely important considerations

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Rare applause from SNP and Labour MPs, who have been highly critical

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That anger brought anti-Trump demonstrations

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to the Prime Minister's door after she invited him on a state

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For us to roll out the red carpet at Buckingham Palace or inviting him

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to speak at a grand occasion of both Houses sends out all

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That's why Mr Speaker Bercow has called it right today.

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The Speaker of the Commons is a powerful figure who has a say

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He is independent of party politics and is supposed

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It's clear that some are unhappy with his outburst.

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Generally, the Speaker who is meant to referee all of this should

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That is to be regretted, but it is a symptom of

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It's very disappointing, because if ever in recent years

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there been a more pro-British President of the United States,

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I invite you, Mr President, to address us.

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And Tory MPs are pointing out that he has in the past welcomed

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leaders to Parliament whose values Britain doesn't always share.

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A village in Hungary has banned the wearing of Muslim dress

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The mayor of Asotthalom claims to be leading what he calls "the war

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against Muslim culture", and he hopes to attract

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other Christian Europeans who object to multiculturalism

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Some lawyers have said the laws contravene the Hungarian

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constitution and the government there is due to rule on them

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Amnesty International has accused the Syrian government

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The human-rights group claims that as many as 13,000 people

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Amnesty says the alleged executions were authorised at the highest

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The government has previously denied killing or mistreating detainees

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Doctors' leaders say it's "crazy" that the UK's standard ten-minute

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slot for GP consultations is among the shortest in Europe.

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They say plans to move more care out of hospitals will leave even

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The Department of Health says it's up to practices to decide how long

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The Great Homer Street doctors surgery in Everton in Liverpool

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This is an area with high deprivation and patients

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13 minutes is sometimes enough and sometimes it's not.

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I would normally finish my surgery late anyway.

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That's why we have recently increased to 13 minutes

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On the whole, patients aren't too happy to wait.

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They're OK, they know they get the time that they need.

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But complex problems can't be done in 13 minutes.

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Occasionally, consultations will last up to 40 minutes.

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The average length of a GP consultation in the UK is ten

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minutes, thought to be the shortest in the developed world.

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92% of appointments here are less than 15 minutes.

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With short appointment slots, time wasting is also an issue.

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A poll for the BBC found that 70% of people in the UK believed

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it was acceptable to charge patients who missed appointments.

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The Governments of England, Scotland and Wales say the length

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of consultations are down to GPs but have pledged extra funding

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Northern Ireland have yet to respond but GPs say funding

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A PR company representing David Beckham has confirmed

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it was subject to a blackmail attempt by hackers threatening

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The Daily Mirror says the private messages in which the former player

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allegedly complains about not being awarded a knighthood

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were published after the firm refused to hand over

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A spokesman for David Beckham says that the e-mails were tampered

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

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Thank you for your comment about renting. Daniel says, get councils

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to build more housing. Marianne says, first-time buyers are now well

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into their 30s and 40s because the market has been overpriced. Paul

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says, builders pay lip service to affordable housing. There is a

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shift, experts say, in the Government's tone when it comes to

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fixing the supposedly broken housing system. They will concentrate on the

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rental sector. We have people here who have horrific stories of

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renting, but also the fact that at least one of them is in a secure

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tenancy with fair event, so it can be done.

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Do get in touch with us throughout the morning.

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If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate.

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There only seems to be one name in the hat to replace Alastair Cook,

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Joe Root. Yes, nothing official, but that is who we expect. Alastair Cook

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stepping down. Joe Root is 26. When you look at his ability, one of the

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best players in the team. You would like to think you have a captain

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that gets in the team, they have the respect of his team-mates, and there

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are no other alternatives to consider. England have a break

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before their next bit of action. They have the Test match here was

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against South Africa, then they have the West Indies, before going to

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Australia for the Ashes. A bit of time to get it in place, but

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Alastair Cook stepping down, and Andries Strauss, the director of

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cricket, says it is not a foregone conclusion.

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There is a process to go through. Joe Root has been vice captain for a

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while, he has had some leadership experience. He is a phenomenal

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cricketer and a very influential person in the dressing room. There

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is no reason why he would not be a strong candidate, but I do not want

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to rule anyone in or out. Not a foregone conclusion, but that

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is what we expect. You look at Alastair Cook, it was not a question

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of his batting ability. He was in charge for a record 59 matches, the

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highest run Stora in Test match cricket, 140 Test match appearances,

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30 centuries. The question was about his aggression on the pitch and his

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on field decisions and his ability to change a game. That is something

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they hope Joe Root will add to. But when you look at the captains and

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when they step down, they all look dishevelled, going back to Michael

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Vaughan, Andrew Strauss, Nasser Hussain, Michael Atherton, you are

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quite drained, as Andrew Strauss said about Alastair Cook yesterday.

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A lot of scrutiny. And, Will, having missed Rio 2016,

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Russian athletes will now not be allowed to compete under their flag

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at the World Athletics Championships But, Will, is there a chance that

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some of those athletes This is an extended ban for Russia's

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athletes, from missing the Olympics. If the athletes can prove that they

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have gone through all of the portfolios and they are clean, they

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will be able to compete as a neutral athlete at the World Athletics

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Championships in London in August. So far 35 Russians have applied to

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compete as neutrals. The IAAF have set up an independent task force.

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Russia still are not ready to go through the protocol, it has been

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recommended. Lord Coe says there are concerns about the doping

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procedures. We are not going to change the

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culture of something that has been prominent for 40 or 50 years. And

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not just simply in Russia. We want to see some sign that there is a

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cultural shift. We are not going to resubmit the newly constricted

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Russian Federation and yet. The clear implication is they would

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appear if they do as neutral athlete.

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No Russian athletes competing under the flag of Russia in London.

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Cheers, Will. Thank you very much for now.

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I'll talk to you later. This morning, the village in Hungary

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that wants only white Asotthalom is hoping to persuade

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Christian Europeans, including Brits, to move there,

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with the mayor telling us, "We primarily welcome people

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who wouldn't like to live The mayor's banned Islamic dress

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and gay kissing in public. This programme can reveal that

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a secretive organisation linked to the former British National Party

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leader Nick Griffin is helping to promote the village in the UK

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to Christians who want to escape Islam and multi-culturalism

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in the west. Our reporter Lesley Ashmall has been

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to visit Asotthalom. TRANSLATION: Real refugees

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are people in Western Europe who live in a multicultural society

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where, for instance, Muslim Hungary is already seen by more

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and more West Europeans as a place of refuge,

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a place to get away from the hell that is about to break

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loose in Western Europe. Asotthalom, a remote village

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in the southern Hungarian plains. Abandoned smallholdings testimony

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to an increasingly urbanised world. The village is two hours

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from Budapest, but just minutes The mayor here wants to attract

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new investors to bolster TRANSLATION: I think these empty

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houses need inhabitants. We are very

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happy when Hungarian families move into them, but we are also happy

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if Western Europeans settle here. I think security may be the most

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important attraction for them, as Asotthalom is one of the safest

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places to live in Europe. Local estate agents are hoping

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foreigners take heed. TRANSLATION: Nine

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to ?10,000, in total. This village doesn't

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want just anyone, TRANSLATION: We primarily welcome

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people from western Europe, people who wouldn't like to live

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in a multicultural society. We wouldn't like to attract Muslim

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people in the village, even though we already have a few

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Muslim residents in Asotthalom. But it's very important for the

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village to maintain its traditions. If large numbers of Muslims arrived

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here, they would not be able to integrate into the Christian

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community in Asotthalom. We can see large Muslim communities

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in western Europe that have not been able to integrate

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and we don't want to have The bylaws you have

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got in the village, Western Christians would feel

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uncomfortable with them. Why do you feel those

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bylaws are so important? Simply because we're

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defending our own traditions. What if I was black,

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or what if I was gay? Asotthalom has a by-law that

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bans sexual propaganda. As for your other question,

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think about this - Europe is small, it can't take in billions of people

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from Africa and South Asia This would soon lead

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to the disappearance of Europe. I'd like Europe to belong

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to Europeans, Asia to belong to Asians and Africa to Africans,

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simple as that. He's so serious he's introduced

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local legislation banning public displays of affection by gay people,

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the wearing of Islamic dress like the hijab, and he wants to ban

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the building of mosques. And his views are being pushed

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by a British organisation called You can clearly see

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from the imagery, they are really harking back to the Crusades,

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when the official Knights Templar, an offshoot of the Catholic Church,

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fought Muslim armies This organisation has no official

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links to the Catholic Church. But they claim they are a Christian

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and non-racist group will stop however, their anti-Muslim

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and anti-gay views are clear. The former leader of

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the British National Party, Nick Griffin, is a member,

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as is the former BNP treasurer, This website is

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advertising smallholdings Hungary is already seen by more

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and more West Europeans as a place of refuge,

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a place to get away from the hell that's about to break

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loose in Western Europe. At the moment, Hungary is seen

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by the nationalists, by the patriots, by people who agree

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with the fence, those people are looking at Hungary thinking,

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"thank God for Hungary, thank God that there

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is someone standing up." And when it all goes

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terribly wrong in the West, Now those are the kind

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of people Hungary needs. We're pretty confident

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this is the building where Knights Templar International

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are registered in Budapest. Certainly pictures on their blogs,

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websites, correspond We got into the building,

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but couldn't find anyone We asked them for an interview,

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they haven't responded. TRANSLATION: We don't

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have an official relationship, I've been contacted

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by Jim Dawson and he came to Asotthalom a few times

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as a private individual just I heard it from journalists,

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the possibility to move to Asotthalom has been advertised

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abroad, I haven't seen Still, I must say, we're

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very happy to welcome The refugee crisis has

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contributed to the anti-immigrant sentiment sweeping

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Europe, like the rise of the French Front Nationale

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and the Dutch It's just a few miles

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from the village, and it is where, at the height

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of the migrant crisis in 2015, as many as

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10,000 people a day Opposition politicians think

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the mayor capitalised on the anxiety about the influx of people

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to introduce bylaws of questionable TRANSLATION: It's possible that

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with this by-law, the mayor has looked ahead, even though the danger

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of Muslims wanting to build a mosque does not exist at the moment, he's

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already preparing for the future. It was really scary to see masses

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of migrants walking through the I spend a lot of time at home

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alone with my young kids. Many lawyers think that the mayor's

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by-laws contravened the Hungarian Constitution and as part

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of a general review of new local legislation, the government

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will rule on them next week. One of them agreed to speak with us,

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but at the last minute pulled out. They didn't want to attract

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attention to themselves. They've spoken of their fears

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to Hungarian media TRANSLATION: The Muslim family that

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lives here are fully integrated Their young son plays football,

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I taught him to swim. TRANSLATION: There are gay people

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living in the village, they're How they live their lives

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at home is none of our We are all humans, we live

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together, that's it. Important issues like this

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should be regulated by the national government,

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not local legislation. TRANSLATION: There is

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a problem with Muslims and If they take off their veil,

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I'll accept them, it doesn't even matter if they're black,

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they should become Hungarian citizens, even if they are

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Muslims or whatever. The mayor of Asotthalom

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wants his village to be the vanguard in what he calls the war

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against Muslim culture. He has employed round-the-clock

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border patrols which he thinks will appeal

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to European settlers. We couldn't find anyone who has

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come to the village as a result of Knights

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Templar International. Jonathan came here from England over

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four years ago and is worried. I had a Christian upbringing

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myself, some of the ideas that he is saying, personally,

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I would not class them And the idea that one

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group of people is better than the other,

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I disagree with that. I know there's a lot of fear

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perpetrated about the migrants coming over, and causing

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a lot of property damage and stealing things,

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but personally, I've got little What you think about

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Nick Griffin, former BNP leader in the UK, also pushing

:26:29.:26:35.

homesteads in this village? Well, I have recently read

:26:36.:26:42.

some of Nick Griffin's previous comments about him

:26:43.:26:45.

moving to Eastern Europe. And setting up an enclave

:26:46.:26:53.

or a refugee centre for people Having lived in areas

:26:54.:26:56.

of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire where the BNP

:26:57.:27:03.

were quite prevalent, I would quite strongly be against

:27:04.:27:07.

that happening here. Most villages dismissed the idea

:27:08.:27:12.

of British extremists coming But one man is not laughing,

:27:13.:27:16.

he is deadly serious. So serious that he answered

:27:17.:27:24.

our last question Are you trying to create a white

:27:25.:27:26.

supremacist village? No, I don't use this

:27:27.:27:34.

word, white, because we are white European

:27:35.:27:41.

Christian population. If we were black, we would

:27:42.:27:48.

want to stay black. And if you want to read

:27:49.:27:54.

more about Asotthalom, you can find it on the BBC

:27:55.:28:12.

News site. The Government admits

:28:13.:28:14.

the housing market is broken Well we'll be joined by this group

:28:15.:28:21.

of people who all rent, some are desperate to get

:28:22.:28:26.

on the housing ladder and can't, a landlord and a Conservative MP

:28:27.:28:28.

who's been campaigning against building houses

:28:29.:28:30.

on green belt land. Neil says, "I have been stuck in the

:28:31.:28:34.

rental sector for ten years. Unable to get a mortgage because housing in

:28:35.:28:39.

my area would require me to have a wage four times higher than I

:28:40.:28:43.

currently air. My rent is over three-quarters of my take-home pay."

:28:44.:28:49.

A PR company representing David Beckham confirmed it was subject to

:28:50.:28:55.

a blackmail attempt by hackers threatening to leak Beckham's

:28:56.:28:58.

personal e-mails. How damaging has this story been for brand Beckham?

:28:59.:29:02.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:29:03.:29:07.

The Government is setting out its strategy for fixing what it

:29:08.:29:09.

says is a "broken housing market in England" and hitting its target

:29:10.:29:12.

of building a million new homes by the year 2020.

:29:13.:29:15.

Plans will include more help for first-time buyers,

:29:16.:29:17.

and measures to make rental agreements more secure.

:29:18.:29:21.

The Speaker of the House of Commons John Bercow has been

:29:22.:29:23.

strongly criticised for speaking out against President Trump

:29:24.:29:27.

addressing MPs and Lords at the Houses of Parliament.

:29:28.:29:29.

Mr Bercow, whose position as Speaker is supposed to be

:29:30.:29:32.

politically neutral, has been accused of overstepping

:29:33.:29:33.

One Tory MP described Mr Bercow's intervention

:29:34.:29:39.

This programme has found that a village in Hungary has banned

:29:40.:29:46.

the wearing of Muslim dress and the call to prayer.

:29:47.:29:49.

The mayor of Asotthalom claims to be leading what he calls "the war

:29:50.:29:52.

against Muslim culture", and he hopes to attract

:29:53.:29:54.

other Christian Europeans who object to multiculturalism

:29:55.:29:55.

Some lawyers have said the laws contravene the Hungarian

:29:56.:30:00.

constitution, and the government there is due to rule on them

:30:01.:30:03.

Amnesty International has accused the Syrian government

:30:04.:30:08.

The human-rights group claims that as many as 13,000 people

:30:09.:30:12.

Amnesty says the alleged executions were authorised at the highest

:30:13.:30:18.

The government has previously denied killing or mistreating detainees

:30:19.:30:24.

Doctors' leaders say it's "crazy" that the UK's standard ten-minute

:30:25.:30:30.

slot for GP consultations is among the shortest in Europe.

:30:31.:30:34.

They say plans to move more care out of hospitals will leave even

:30:35.:30:37.

The Department of Health says it's up to practices to decide how

:30:38.:30:42.

A PR company representing David Beckham has confirmed

:30:43.:30:48.

it was subject to a blackmail attempt by hackers threatening

:30:49.:30:51.

The Daily Mirror says the private messages in which the former player

:30:52.:30:56.

allegedly complains about not being awarded a knighthood

:30:57.:30:59.

were published after the firm refused to hand over

:31:00.:31:02.

A spokesman for David Beckham says that the emails were tampered

:31:03.:31:06.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:31:07.:31:12.

Thank you for your message on the piece on the village in Hungary.

:31:13.:31:24.

This person says, this is something of interest to the white

:31:25.:31:28.

working-class majority. This tweet says, let them go, at least we will

:31:29.:31:31.

not have their poisonous attitudes here. One person says, shopping, the

:31:32.:31:38.

idea that white Christians guarantee you a better life is ridiculous. One

:31:39.:31:44.

person says, it is refreshing. Democracy seems to be dead in Europe

:31:45.:31:48.

these days, we are told what to think and slated when our views do

:31:49.:31:51.

not match those of the vociferous liberals. Why do them views not

:31:52.:31:57.

attract the respect they deserve? And one more, Tracey says, so they

:31:58.:32:03.

want to expel and reject the downtrodden and the suffering, it is

:32:04.:32:05.

not sound very Christian to me. England are searching for a new Test

:32:06.:32:08.

captain this morning, after Alastair Cook stepped down

:32:09.:32:11.

as skipper after 59 Yorkshire coach Andrew Gale says

:32:12.:32:13.

Root would "take more risks" if he replaces him

:32:14.:32:18.

as England captain. Cook was in charge for

:32:19.:32:21.

a record 59 matches. He is England's highest run

:32:22.:32:23.

scorer in Test cricket, while his 140 Test appearances

:32:24.:32:26.

and 30 centuries are Russian athletes won't

:32:27.:32:29.

compete at this year's They've been serving a suspension

:32:30.:32:33.

after state-sponsored doping was uncovered,

:32:34.:32:37.

and athletics' world governing body the IAAF has voted

:32:38.:32:40.

to continue that ban. But some Russian athletes could

:32:41.:32:48.

compete as neutrals. Rafa Nadal will warm up

:32:49.:32:51.

for Wimbledon by playing The 14-time grand-slam champion

:32:52.:32:53.

joins Andy Murray at the event. The housing system is "broken",

:32:54.:32:59.

even the Government says so. They're going to try

:33:00.:33:07.

and do something about it. Plans include forcing councils

:33:08.:33:09.

to produce an up-to-date plan for housing demand,

:33:10.:33:11.

reducing the time allowed between planning permission

:33:12.:33:13.

and the start of building from three to two years, a "lifetime

:33:14.:33:15.

Isa" to help first-time But what is also expected

:33:16.:33:18.

is a "change of tone" from previous Tory policy,

:33:19.:33:21.

with a focus on people who are renting their homes

:33:22.:33:24.

and perhaps an acceptance that some people will never be able

:33:25.:33:28.

to afford to buy a house. Expected to include minimum tenancy

:33:29.:33:33.

lengths to try to offer renters more security and a drive to build more

:33:34.:33:35.

homes specifically for rent. With us this morning,

:33:36.:33:42.

a group of people who all rent, some who're desperate to get

:33:43.:33:44.

on the property market and can't. Also with them, Conservative MP

:33:45.:33:47.

Andrew Mitchell, who's been campaigning against building houses

:33:48.:33:49.

on greenbelt land, and David Smith from the Residential

:33:50.:33:54.

Landlord Association, which represents landlords

:33:55.:33:56.

in England and Wales. Let's have a giant conversation. If

:33:57.:34:09.

the housing market is broken, you need more than another target for

:34:10.:34:14.

building new homes and a minimum length of tenancy. There is a lot to

:34:15.:34:20.

be welcomed in this white paper today. We have not seen it yet, but

:34:21.:34:26.

it has been extensively leaked. What it is trying to do is enable

:34:27.:34:31.

everyone to have a home. It is changing it in the way to describe,

:34:32.:34:35.

it is not just about home ownership, it is about rental and about making

:34:36.:34:40.

sure there are far more homes built in the future. As a constituency MP

:34:41.:34:45.

are understand that, because I talk to sixth formers, those who cannot

:34:46.:34:49.

get on the ladder, those who cannot rent, those who want a home and

:34:50.:34:54.

cannot get it. This White Paper will enable all of those different

:34:55.:34:58.

sections to have a better chance in the future than they have had in the

:34:59.:35:02.

past. The point is you have to build these homes in the right places. Not

:35:03.:35:10.

on green belt land, you say. In my constituency, Royal Sutton

:35:11.:35:13.

Coldfield, we faced with a jump of 6000 on our green belt when there

:35:14.:35:20.

are plenty of other alternatives. The Conservative councillors in

:35:21.:35:22.

Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield have demonstrated how you can build the

:35:23.:35:26.

same number of homes without doing so on the green belt. But across

:35:27.:35:31.

England you cannot build 250,000 homes a year, the Government's new

:35:32.:35:39.

target, unless you use green belt land as well. I don't agree. You

:35:40.:35:44.

have to be more imaginative, you have to build communities, not just

:35:45.:35:49.

housing, you have to focus on the contaminating old industrial land,

:35:50.:35:53.

building on Brownfield land, more creative schemes in the cities. You

:35:54.:36:00.

only build on the green belt is a last resort, and if it is a last

:36:01.:36:06.

resort, it should be built on. The point I make on behalf of those who

:36:07.:36:10.

I represent, who are opposed to this, and who are keen to build more

:36:11.:36:14.

homes, is you do not have to do it on the green belt until all other

:36:15.:36:19.

opportunities are exhausted. This White Paper was a clear opportunity

:36:20.:36:27.

for Government to come up with a coherent strategy for building the

:36:28.:36:30.

300,000 homes we need in this country every year to both me to

:36:31.:36:35.

comment household formation and deal with a backlog. What they have

:36:36.:36:43.

published is a rehashing and recycling of things that have been

:36:44.:36:46.

announced already, they have failed to build on the green belt, and you

:36:47.:36:51.

are in Lala land if you think you can build the homes we need if we do

:36:52.:36:55.

not build on green belt. They have failed to reform stamp duty for

:36:56.:37:00.

first-time buyers. All we have is weak aspirations on rent a security.

:37:01.:37:07.

In the specific case of Sutton Coldfield, you are not correct. We

:37:08.:37:12.

have shown where these homes could be built without desecrating our

:37:13.:37:16.

green belt. We are enthusiastic about building more homes, but they

:37:17.:37:21.

have to be in the right place. Not in your backyard! We have shown we

:37:22.:37:27.

are willing to build in the town, to increase density. We want our

:37:28.:37:30.

children and run children to live in the same sort of homes and

:37:31.:37:34.

opportunities that our generation had, but it has to be in the right

:37:35.:37:39.

place. You are demeaning the White Paper before you have even seen it.

:37:40.:37:44.

I am critical of one respect but I accept that ministers are addressing

:37:45.:37:48.

the problem, and you should not the minute interview have heard what the

:37:49.:37:52.

Secretary of State has had to say. You say trying to find a decent

:37:53.:37:56.

place to rent is like being on the X factor. I went to look for a room

:37:57.:38:01.

recently, I was evicted on Christmas Eve,... Why? I was evicted by a

:38:02.:38:08.

Conservative councillor, I will not name him, a former mayor of Barnet,

:38:09.:38:13.

he had a building of 16 people come up with one shower, multiple

:38:14.:38:19.

occupation, he was found not to have a licence, he bought the building

:38:20.:38:23.

for ?1.3 million and was fined less than ?5,000. I do not know the

:38:24.:38:28.

story, he is not here to defend himself, but you say you bought

:38:29.:38:33.

evicted. How come you have moved seven times in ten years? We need a

:38:34.:38:39.

mandatory register for landlords, we have too many landlords who can

:38:40.:38:42.

decide that they just want to increase the rent. It is a problem

:38:43.:38:48.

of NIMBY -ism that if we don't build more homes everywhere, especially in

:38:49.:38:51.

central London, there is a supply and demand issue, and landlords can

:38:52.:38:55.

charge what they want. It is unfortunate Andrew what the person

:38:56.:39:02.

who describe somebody as a Brexit, we cannot have homes in Royal Sutton

:39:03.:39:08.

Coldfield, but we can wed there are Labour voters. That is a political

:39:09.:39:15.

attack. You are a politician. This White Paper is trying to address the

:39:16.:39:20.

problem which deface, which is you do not have somewhere to live. The

:39:21.:39:26.

Government wants to build more affordable homes for renting. That

:39:27.:39:32.

was announced in the Autumn Statement. That is not new. But as

:39:33.:39:37.

an ambition and as a target, you would welcome that? Absolutely, but

:39:38.:39:43.

they announced that in the Autumn Statement, I wanted to see something

:39:44.:39:47.

new. My question to Andrew is, if you build more homes, how does that

:39:48.:39:52.

help me as somebody who is locked into renting? I have no other

:39:53.:39:56.

option. Can I rent a new newly built home?

:39:57.:39:59.

We have to wait until we see the White Paper, but the problem that

:40:00.:40:06.

you have identified, consistently, ministers have said they want to

:40:07.:40:10.

address this, they want to make sure that if you are in the rented

:40:11.:40:14.

sector, there are more opportunities, more places to rent,

:40:15.:40:17.

more houses are built for rent, and people are encouraged to rent and to

:40:18.:40:23.

make property available for rent. The problem which you have

:40:24.:40:27.

identified is exactly the issue that ministers are trying to address. The

:40:28.:40:36.

Government's problem is partly the same thing that you have complained

:40:37.:40:43.

about, the Government is wedded to institutional investment. That has

:40:44.:40:46.

been talked about for 20 years, I am waiting. The majority of landlords

:40:47.:40:51.

are relatively small. The problem with the green belt is institutional

:40:52.:40:55.

investors want to build there, because they want to build big

:40:56.:40:59.

developments. If the Government paid more attention to the landlords who

:41:00.:41:04.

provide the majority of housing, wrecking sure there is enforcement

:41:05.:41:09.

against the bad landlords, the ability to develop the small areas

:41:10.:41:12.

that Andrew would like to see is much more likely to happen. Tell us

:41:13.:41:16.

about your arrangement, it sounds like good practice. I am a regulated

:41:17.:41:21.

tenant, I can stay there for life and I have a fair event. The dark

:41:22.:41:25.

side is there is a lot of harassment. Long-term destruction of

:41:26.:41:34.

iLife, because if you get rid of a regulated tenant, you make a lot of

:41:35.:41:40.

money I being able to resell it. But the formula, having tenancy for life

:41:41.:41:43.

and paying a fair rent, isn't it that works perfectly well in

:41:44.:41:46.

Germany, and the companies make a solid profit, and this is something

:41:47.:41:52.

we should consider injured using here. Good profit for the landlord,

:41:53.:41:59.

security and peace of mind, safety in your home for the tenant. What is

:42:00.:42:06.

your experience? I am lucky, because my landlord is brilliant, we have a

:42:07.:42:10.

great communication, if we need anything he will come in and fix it.

:42:11.:42:18.

But I lived in a house before where we had horror stories, I had a

:42:19.:42:22.

landlady who said she was spying on us, she increased the rent by ?400.

:42:23.:42:29.

We hear... Lots of my friends have horror stories. If you can make rent

:42:30.:42:37.

where you take out the tremulous feeling, because that is the thing I

:42:38.:42:41.

find, as somebody who has rented for seven years, I want to feel... I

:42:42.:42:47.

have resigned myself to the fact that, unless my situation changes, I

:42:48.:42:51.

will have the rent for the rest of my life. Who else feels that? How

:42:52.:43:00.

old are you? I and 68, I will be in rented accommodation for the rest of

:43:01.:43:04.

my life, because there are no options open to me. I cannot buy a

:43:05.:43:09.

house, get a mortgage, nobody will give me a mortgage at my age. I have

:43:10.:43:18.

got to rent. You feel the same? I am 55, I owned a property with my first

:43:19.:43:23.

husband many years ago. Since divorce I have been in the private

:43:24.:43:26.

rental sector. For the last 20 years. It is difficult and unstable.

:43:27.:43:35.

Very expensive. I have three children, the oldest is now 31, Mike

:43:36.:43:41.

youngest is 19, so now I have no dependents technically, that I have,

:43:42.:43:45.

because my daughter needs somewhere to come home to in the university

:43:46.:43:52.

holidays, my second husband died suddenly at the end of 2014, so we

:43:53.:43:58.

are in a position now where we would have been homeless were it not for

:43:59.:44:05.

loans and the kindness of family and friends. We would have been

:44:06.:44:11.

homeless. My single income does not meet any of the affordability

:44:12.:44:15.

criteria for a house in south-east London. Would you all welcome

:44:16.:44:27.

minimum tenancies? Some security. On behalf of landlords, what sort of

:44:28.:44:31.

minimum length would be acceptable? It is not about setting a minimum

:44:32.:44:34.

length, different people have different needs. The White Paper is

:44:35.:44:41.

proposing an incentive for minimum length for institutional landlords,

:44:42.:44:44.

it is not proposing minimum length across-the-board. The difficulty

:44:45.:44:47.

with minimum lengths, if you have one with, say, rent caps, as soon as

:44:48.:44:53.

the link is up, the rent will shoot up. That is a danger. You can cap it

:44:54.:45:01.

at the rate of inflation. With such a housing if you decades ago, we

:45:02.:45:04.

would have been in social housing, but the Government are intent on

:45:05.:45:10.

selling the social housing, which inflates the rental market. But

:45:11.:45:14.

social housing rent is rising faster than social housing -- private

:45:15.:45:22.

housing rent. This is one of the problems, it depends who's

:45:23.:45:26.

statistics you want to grab. The NAO statistics show social housing rents

:45:27.:45:32.

are rising faster than earnings. They are considerably lower. They

:45:33.:45:40.

are supported by the Government and by institutions which have been

:45:41.:45:41.

encouraged to sell those properties. You invited me on to talk about why

:45:42.:45:55.

building on the green belt, I'm not here to defend this White Paper.

:45:56.:46:06.

Which I haven't even seen. Your Government is working hand-in-hand

:46:07.:46:09.

on Brexit with Donald Trump. I'm here to explain why building on the

:46:10.:46:12.

green belt is not necessarily the right solution. But actually if you

:46:13.:46:17.

asked me to make the point that a Government minister would make,

:46:18.:46:22.

almost all the problems which are absolutely legitimate and important

:46:23.:46:24.

problems to address are what the Government is seeking to address in

:46:25.:46:29.

this White Paper. I'm not here to defend it because I have criticisms

:46:30.:46:33.

of it, but the points made by the ladies and gentlemen here are

:46:34.:46:35.

absolutely valid points which ministers are trying to address and

:46:36.:46:39.

they're trying to deal with in this White Paper. You mentioned one thing

:46:40.:46:48.

which is constructive. We have moved from Mrs Thatcher there is so

:46:49.:46:50.

society. But what happens is building communities, you need

:46:51.:46:53.

security of tenure and then you have the landlords moving in and smashing

:46:54.:46:59.

private tenant after tenant with rent increases with harassment.

:47:00.:47:02.

These are the bad landlords. There are some good ones as well and they

:47:03.:47:06.

are smaubing entire communities and making people move out. Making

:47:07.:47:12.

people homeless. How can we have what the Government points out

:47:13.:47:15.

building communities when you have a landlord system that smashes those

:47:16.:47:18.

very communities? Well, the gentleman over there who was...

:47:19.:47:24.

David Smith. He pointed to something in the White Paper which shows that

:47:25.:47:27.

ministers are trying to increase that level of security. Now, we may

:47:28.:47:31.

not get it right, but let's give the Government and the minister the

:47:32.:47:33.

benefit of the doubt today as he announces his White Paper and then

:47:34.:47:38.

see if we can build on sort of progress which you suggested might

:47:39.:47:46.

be in the White Paper. Tell us about your own personal

:47:47.:47:51.

circumstances? I campaign with Priced Out. Can I ask you about your

:47:52.:47:58.

own experience of renting. I had to move six times in the last two

:47:59.:48:02.

years. Because you have been forced to? A couple of bad landlords, a

:48:03.:48:07.

couple of personal things. I don't know how people with

:48:08.:48:09.

responsibilities do it. It is unstable enough for me being in a

:48:10.:48:13.

broken private rented sector where I can be evicted for any reason or no

:48:14.:48:18.

reason at all with no months notice. If I had a family or something to

:48:19.:48:22.

keep me in one place, it would be a nightmare. Steve says, "The housing

:48:23.:48:27.

shortage is caused by letting too many people in this country." Andrew

:48:28.:48:32.

Mitchell, does Steve have a point? No one knows what the immigration

:48:33.:48:36.

totals will be in the future and they are a key factor in trying to

:48:37.:48:40.

plan the number of houses in Birmingham, there is an allocation

:48:41.:48:44.

of a figure for inward immigration which every time we ask about it

:48:45.:48:49.

increases or deceases by a multiple of 6,000 houses threatened on my

:48:50.:48:53.

constituency. So, with Brexit I think these levels are even more

:48:54.:48:58.

uncertain and for those people who are making long-term plans, they

:48:59.:49:01.

need to build that in to the plans that they are making.

:49:02.:49:05.

Barbara says, "I am 64 years old and I want to move from my current two

:49:06.:49:10.

bed home on the second floor with no lift to a single bed home, but I'm

:49:11.:49:14.

priced out of the rental market. I've worked all my life and I feel

:49:15.:49:19.

really frustrated. I started my married life in a rented room and I

:49:20.:49:24.

lost my home after I got divorced." Deborah says, "Renting is a

:49:25.:49:28.

nightmare after five years I have been given two months notice to

:49:29.:49:31.

leave because the owner wants to sell. This is my home! " It's a

:49:32.:49:41.

home. It's not just a house. Landlords are buying and selling

:49:42.:49:45.

homes as though they were commodities just like they would buy

:49:46.:49:50.

and sell shares or bags of coffee. A home is a very important part of

:49:51.:49:55.

people's lives. It is your space. It's your safety net. You can't just

:49:56.:50:01.

trade in homes... You can David, can't you, as a landlord? It is a

:50:02.:50:06.

fair point. But the Government is pressing landlords to sell because

:50:07.:50:10.

it has increased taxes on landlords and they can no longer claim

:50:11.:50:15.

mortgage interest relief. I speak to many landlords who will be selling

:50:16.:50:21.

their properties. There is one problem with that, people say that

:50:22.:50:25.

will allow first-time buyers to buy those houses, I don't think that's

:50:26.:50:30.

likely, but one person leaves to let one person in. A tenant will be

:50:31.:50:33.

evicted so the first time buyer will buy the house. There is no sensible

:50:34.:50:37.

thought in that policy. And my concern about some of this, I hope

:50:38.:50:42.

the White Paper starts to deal with it this, we need a coherent housing

:50:43.:50:47.

strategy, not a home ownership strategy, a proper coherent strategy

:50:48.:50:50.

and we have been begging for one for nearly ten years and I hope this is

:50:51.:50:54.

it. I can hear the frustration in your voice, David. I'm as frustrated

:50:55.:51:00.

as everybody else. It is to did with houses being homes and when you have

:51:01.:51:06.

a family, being forced to move maybe through an academic year or in the

:51:07.:51:10.

middle of an academic year, struggling to stay in the same

:51:11.:51:14.

location so your children can continue going to the same school,

:51:15.:51:17.

even though they don't have security in terms of the home in which they

:51:18.:51:21.

live, you want them to maintain friendship groups because we know

:51:22.:51:27.

that children who are parts of families who are struggling do less

:51:28.:51:31.

well in education. So it is a very important thing that parents and

:51:32.:51:35.

therefore their children feel secure which they really don't at the

:51:36.:51:40.

moment. I also moved 11 times in 15 years with three children. Wow. We

:51:41.:51:47.

always managed to remain in the same area, but again, we needed help and

:51:48.:51:52.

support that we wouldn't have had if we were forced to move elsewhere.

:51:53.:51:57.

Can I thank you all for coming on the programme and talking about your

:51:58.:52:00.

experience. Thank you, Andrew Mitchellment don't look cross at me!

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Was I looking cross? Yes. You said about the importance of a key herant

:52:09.:52:11.

White Paper. Would it be all right to ask you about Speaker Bercow's

:52:12.:52:19.

comments? I wondered as you're here? He is entitled to make them. 'S very

:52:20.:52:24.

good modern Speaker, but although what he said is contentious, that's

:52:25.:52:29.

his view. Is he not supposed to be politically neutral? I don't think

:52:30.:52:38.

it is a party political issue, so I don't think it is. He's not

:52:39.:52:43.

commenting on a party political issue. He is giving his view about

:52:44.:52:46.

when President Trump comes to this country and whether he should come

:52:47.:52:51.

to Parliament or not and as Speaker, he is entitled to express his view.

:52:52.:52:53.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Coming up, our exclusive report about a village in Hungary which has

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banned the wearing of Muslim dress and the call to prayer

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and public displays of affection by gay couples.

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It only wants European Christians to move there.

:53:07.:53:13.

Heather says, "The last time I looked, Christianity

:53:14.:53:15.

was all about reaching out to those who need help.

:53:16.:53:23.

This is blatant fear-fuelled racism."

:53:24.:53:26.

Brian says, "Well done this mayor in Hungary.

:53:27.:53:27.

Everyone in the West should follow his example,

:53:28.:53:29.

better still don't let them into the West to start with."

:53:30.:53:32.

As many as 13,000 people have been executed in secret

:53:33.:53:34.

at a prison in Syria, according to Amnesty International.

:53:35.:53:37.

Most of them were opposed to the leader of the country,

:53:38.:53:39.

We can speak now to Karen Allen from Amnesty International.

:53:40.:53:42.

Thank you for coming on the programme and how you know what you

:53:43.:53:47.

know about this prison? It is a huge prison in sir yard and -- Syria and

:53:48.:53:54.

we have under taken research, interviewing 84 people. Now many of

:53:55.:53:59.

those have come out of this area. Others have been guards and worked

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within the prison and what we have pieced together through all of those

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interviews is a consistent story that once, sometimes twice a week on

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a Monday and a Wednesday, 50 men are taken from one part of the prison to

:54:15.:54:19.

another where they are hanged. And that has happened from the beginning

:54:20.:54:24.

of 2011 through to the end of 2015. We don't have information beyond

:54:25.:54:29.

2015 because the people that we interviewed and the dates which they

:54:30.:54:33.

left the prison, but it is an absolutely horrific story and we

:54:34.:54:36.

estimate 13,000 people will have lost their lives in that way.

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13,000? A former judge who saw the hangings told you they kept them

:54:44.:54:47.

hanging there for ten to 15 minutes. Some didn't die because they are

:54:48.:54:51.

light for. For the young ones their weight wouldn't kill them. The

:54:52.:54:56.

officer's assistants would pull them down and break their next. A former

:54:57.:55:00.

military officer who was also detained at the prison, "If you put

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your ears on the floor, you could hear the sound of a kind of

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gurgling. This would last for around ten minutes. We were sleeping on top

:55:09.:55:11.

of the sound of people choking to death. This was normal for me then."

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One more there, is a former detainee describing alleged abuse, "The

:55:20.:55:21.

beating was so intense it was as if you had a nail and you were trying

:55:22.:55:25.

again and again to beat it into a rock. It was impossible, but they

:55:26.:55:30.

just kept going. I was wishing they would cut off my legs instead of

:55:31.:55:35.

beating them anymore." Why were these people tortured and

:55:36.:55:42.

killed in this way, do you believe? I interviewed Hamid who gave those

:55:43.:55:47.

shockings accounts of being able to hear the executions take place. The

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people in the prison are overwhelmingly people who have been

:55:51.:55:55.

on demonstrations, students, journalists, doctors, lawyers,

:55:56.:55:59.

anybody who has shown any decent or whom the regime think may show

:56:00.:56:04.

decent and that was Hamid's case. He was a military man. He was suspected

:56:05.:56:08.

that he might show decent at some point and he was arrested and spent

:56:09.:56:13.

sometime in that prison. So these are anybody who shows any means of

:56:14.:56:18.

challenging the Assad Government. Are you saying that President Assad

:56:19.:56:22.

would know this was going on in this jail? We are totally sure that at

:56:23.:56:29.

the very high level of his Government at the level of the

:56:30.:56:33.

Defence Minister, or the head of the Army, that this is known about. We

:56:34.:56:37.

know the names of the people on the execution panels on some of the

:56:38.:56:42.

execution panels, we have given that information to the appropriate UN

:56:43.:56:46.

bodies. Right, but that doesn't mean that Assad knew? I think Assad must

:56:47.:56:52.

know. I think at the highest levels of his Government and if he doesn't

:56:53.:56:56.

know then that is dereliction as well. You know, he can't say, "I

:56:57.:57:01.

just don't know what's going on at this level of abuse." As you've said

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in some of those comments, it is the executions and that's something that

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we at Amnesty have exposed, but it is also, there is a policy of

:57:13.:57:17.

extermination going on here. The stories that I heard again and again

:57:18.:57:23.

of relentless torture every day, day in and day out, of hardly any food

:57:24.:57:29.

or any water, no access to medicines, just sheer awful way to

:57:30.:57:34.

treat people and the numbers of people who die in and the way in

:57:35.:57:38.

which bodies are disposed of, we heard that again and again. I'm

:57:39.:57:41.

going to show our audience this picture. It is of a 21-year-old

:57:42.:57:50.

former Syrian detainee. He lives in Stockholm. If you have a look at

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this, the picture on the left is of Omar taken in January this year in

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Sweden and obviously the picture on the right is of Omar in July 2015 in

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Turkey, just a month after he got out of the prisoner Damascus.

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Clearly, you can see how skelettal he is on the picture on the right.

:58:21.:58:24.

What can you tell us about him? Well, I didn't meet him. I saw the

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photographs of people from before and when they came out of prison and

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the conditions and you know, in many cases, the mental conditions too.

:58:35.:58:39.

The devastation that that experience, sometimes going on for

:58:40.:58:43.

years, had had on people. It is a massive prison. It's 20,000. People

:58:44.:58:48.

are packed into rooms. Absolutely packed. They're not allowed to

:58:49.:58:53.

speak. They're not allowed to cry out whilst being tortured or the

:58:54.:58:58.

torture intensifies. There is a real brutality that's quite spine

:58:59.:59:02.

chilling and it is continuing now. I'm sure that those executions are

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continuing as we speak. So what should happen to President Assad or

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whoever? Well, what should happen is the UN and Russia in particular

:59:11.:59:14.

should stop blocking progress at the UN. This ought to be, you know,

:59:15.:59:18.

absolutely at the top of the conversations that are taking place

:59:19.:59:24.

about the future of Syria. You know, it cannot be ignored, those

:59:25.:59:27.

executions are taking place I am convinced now still and it is

:59:28.:59:32.

something that there should be much more public outrage about, much more

:59:33.:59:36.

pressure on Assad and certainly our document August's of the abuses that

:59:37.:59:43.

are taking place is thorough. It is absolutely accurate and it will be

:59:44.:59:47.

given to the authorities who I hope can bring Assad to account sooner

:59:48.:59:51.

rather than later. Thank you very much for talking to us. Thank you.

:59:52.:59:55.

Thank you. The latest news and sport is coming

:59:56.:59:59.

up. Before that, the weather. Thanks, Victoria. Some of us have

:00:00.:00:05.

been seeing snow. We've got pictures of the snow. Snow is falling in

:00:06.:00:21.

Inverclyde. The weather is across Scotland and Eastern England. Move

:00:22.:00:25.

away from that and we're into brighter skies and sunshine, but

:00:26.:00:28.

also quite a lot of showers and some of those showers will be heavy and

:00:29.:00:32.

thundery with hail, some sleet possible on the moors and they will

:00:33.:00:36.

be slow moving so you could get a dullge as they fall. So into the

:00:37.:00:41.

afternoon that's the sip air yo across south-west England and South

:00:42.:00:44.

Wales. Here, they will be slow moving and here some of them will be

:00:45.:00:48.

heavy, but in between, we will see brightness or indeed sunshine.

:00:49.:00:52.

Across the central swathe of the UK, again there will be sunshine around.

:00:53.:00:57.

A few showers, but across East Anglia across Eastern England we

:00:58.:01:00.

hang on to dank conditions and a lot of cloud. Some showers in Northern

:01:01.:01:04.

Ireland. Across Scotland in the Grampians and the Highlands and some

:01:05.:01:09.

parts we are looking at snow and sleet across parts of Central

:01:10.:01:13.

Lowlands and into the southern uplands. So it will feel cold fur'ks

:01:14.:01:17.

posed to this. Overnight, we have a weather front in the west producing

:01:18.:01:22.

a lot of cloud and rain, still strong winds particularly across the

:01:23.:01:25.

Northern Isles, but for Western Scotland and Northern Ireland, it

:01:26.:01:28.

will be cold. Widespread frost here and the risk of ice. For England and

:01:29.:01:32.

Wales, with more cloud around, it looks like the frost issue will be

:01:33.:01:37.

fairly patchy. Tomorrow we start off with weather front in the east.

:01:38.:01:40.

Instead of continuing to journey east, it will try and come west

:01:41.:01:44.

again, blocked by that area of high pressure. What's going to happen is

:01:45.:01:48.

that is going to allow cold air to push across our shores in the

:01:49.:01:53.

ensuing days into the weekend as represented here by the blue

:01:54.:01:54.

colours. Tomorrow we have the weather front

:01:55.:02:04.

across eastern areas, producing cloud. Someone to a flurry is

:02:05.:02:09.

possible across parts of England, snow across the Pennines and the

:02:10.:02:14.

Grampians. Toward the West, brighter skies. The temperatures are starting

:02:15.:02:21.

to go down in eastern areas. You notice it more as we head into

:02:22.:02:25.

Thursday, where we have a weather front pushing towards the West.

:02:26.:02:30.

Cloud associated with it, more snow across the Pennines and the

:02:31.:02:33.

Grampians. The brighter skies in the West.

:02:34.:02:35.

An exclusive report by this programme takes a look

:02:36.:02:41.

inside the Hungarian village that is trying to create a white

:02:42.:02:43.

utopia, and wants British people to move there.

:02:44.:02:48.

TRANSLATION: We primarily welcome people from Western Europe who do

:02:49.:02:55.

not want to live in a multicultural society. We would not want to

:02:56.:02:59.

attract Muslim people, even though we have a few Muslim residents.

:03:00.:03:04.

We hear how it is being advertised in the UK as a place to escape

:03:05.:03:09.

multiculturalism. Also on the programme, England's

:03:10.:03:11.

housing market is "broken". That's according to ministers

:03:12.:03:13.

who are launching new plans today Here's what one long-term

:03:14.:03:15.

renter said about what We need a register for the

:03:16.:03:26.

landlords, they decide they just want to up the rent. It is a problem

:03:27.:03:33.

with a type of NIMBY years, if we don't build new homes everywhere,

:03:34.:03:34.

there is a supply and abound issue. We'll also be talking

:03:35.:03:37.

about whether the announcement will make a difference

:03:38.:03:39.

to leaseholders, and an expert and leaseholder will be

:03:40.:03:41.

sharing their thoughts on the plans. And Conservative MPs criticise

:03:42.:03:44.

the Speaker John Bercow for saying in Parliament that Donald Trump

:03:45.:03:46.

would not get his permission to speak to MPs in Westminster Hall

:03:47.:03:48.

during a state visit. Here's the BBC Newsroom

:03:49.:03:55.

with a summary of today's news. The Government is setting

:03:56.:04:03.

out its strategy for fixing what it says is a "broken" housing market

:04:04.:04:08.

in England, and hitting its target of building a million

:04:09.:04:11.

new homes by the year 2020. Plans will include more help

:04:12.:04:13.

for first-time buyers, and measures to make rental

:04:14.:04:15.

agreements more secure. The Speaker of the House

:04:16.:04:18.

of Commons John Bercow has been strongly criticised for speaking out

:04:19.:04:21.

against President Trump addressing MPs and Lords

:04:22.:04:24.

at the Houses of Parliament. Mr Bercow, whose position

:04:25.:04:27.

as Speaker is supposed to be politically neutral,

:04:28.:04:29.

has been accused of overstepping One Tory MP described

:04:30.:04:32.

Mr Bercow's intervention This programme has found that

:04:33.:04:38.

a village in Hungary has banned the wearing of Muslim dress

:04:39.:04:47.

and the call to The mayor of Asotthalom claims to be leading

:04:48.:04:50.

what he calls "the war against Muslim culture",

:04:51.:04:52.

and he hopes to attract other Christian Europeans who object

:04:53.:04:54.

to multiculturalism Some lawyers have said the laws

:04:55.:04:56.

contravene the Hungarian constitution and the government

:04:57.:04:59.

there is due to rule on them Doctors' leaders say it's "crazy"

:05:00.:05:02.

that the UK's standard ten-minute slot for GP consultations is among

:05:03.:05:09.

the shortest in Europe. They say plans to move more care out

:05:10.:05:12.

of hospitals will leave even The Department of Health says it's

:05:13.:05:15.

up to practices to decide how Mark Norman is at a surgery

:05:16.:05:19.

in Whitstable in Kent. How does it work their? With stubble

:05:20.:05:37.

is interesting, it has no District General Hospital, the nearest

:05:38.:05:40.

accident and emergency is 20 miles away, and it has all of the problems

:05:41.:05:45.

everyone does, a huge financial black hole, a growing population,

:05:46.:05:49.

and accident and emergency apartments that are struggling to

:05:50.:05:55.

cope, and bed occupancy way above the safe level of 96%. For GPs it is

:05:56.:06:01.

about how you manage patients better locally and keep them out of the

:06:02.:06:06.

hospitals. If I show you this board, it gives an idea of what they do.

:06:07.:06:10.

This is just a GP practice. They have a my jet -- minor injuries

:06:11.:06:16.

clinic, you see a list of the services. I have been here since

:06:17.:06:23.

8am, they have been ridiculously busy, people coming in with and

:06:24.:06:27.

without appointments. This is the minor injuries clinic. We have the

:06:28.:06:32.

x-ray suite, the upside for GPs who operate here is that if they have a

:06:33.:06:37.

patient with a chest infection, they are not sure if it is something more

:06:38.:06:41.

serious, bring them here, have a look and see whether they need to

:06:42.:06:46.

have a consultation at the hospital. It is a much better patient

:06:47.:06:51.

experience and leads to better outcomes. Jeremy Hunt was here a few

:06:52.:06:56.

weeks ago, Simon Stephens, the boss of the NHS, is coming in the next

:06:57.:07:01.

few weeks. But this costs money and represents a huge investment. Will

:07:02.:07:07.

the NHS be prepared to spend it? It looks impressive.

:07:08.:07:09.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News, more at 10:30am.

:07:10.:07:16.

Thank you if you have got in touch about renting. This is from a

:07:17.:07:22.

landlord in the Midlands, I am finding these attacks very hard to

:07:23.:07:27.

take, I only rent had good quality properties, my houses are fully

:07:28.:07:34.

refurbished. Rent is not set by landlords, it is the market that

:07:35.:07:37.

sets the price. If a landlord increases the price too much, they

:07:38.:07:41.

will not be able to let it. You would expect it to be a product of

:07:42.:07:44.

the purchase price, but it is not the case. In some cases the return

:07:45.:07:51.

on capital is as low as 1%, but in other areas it is 20%. Vanessa said,

:07:52.:07:56.

I rented three houses over five years with my three young children,

:07:57.:08:01.

the most stressful period of my life, you never knew how long it

:08:02.:08:04.

would be before you next had to move, as only -- each property only

:08:05.:08:11.

has a six-month rental agreement. It would cost me money every time I

:08:12.:08:17.

moved, you do not complain because you are afraid of your tenancy not

:08:18.:08:20.

being renewed. Two of the houses were rented out and then the owners

:08:21.:08:28.

decided to sell. There are not enough good quality homes are

:08:29.:08:29.

available to rent where I live. Do get in touch with us

:08:30.:08:32.

throughout the morning. If you text, you will be charged

:08:33.:08:34.

at the standard network rate. Here's some sport

:08:35.:08:38.

now with Will Perry. Joe Root would be a "very different

:08:39.:08:40.

leader" who's willing to take a lot That's the view of Yorkshire

:08:41.:08:43.

coach Andrew Gale. The ECB are considering a successor

:08:44.:08:46.

to Cook, who stepped down yesterday. Gale's told the BBC that Root

:08:47.:08:49.

is ready and the time is right In Joe Root you will have a

:08:50.:09:03.

different leader. He is willing to try things, he is a lot more risky

:09:04.:09:06.

than Alastair Cook. The games that he has captained in Yorkshire, he

:09:07.:09:14.

was not worried about taking risks. He will be a different leader. But

:09:15.:09:20.

when he steps up, he is ready. The time is right for him.

:09:21.:09:25.

Andries Strauss has denied he is the only candidate.

:09:26.:09:33.

Joe Root has been vice captain for a while, he has had some

:09:34.:09:38.

He is a phenomenal cricketer and a very influential person

:09:39.:09:41.

There is no reason why he would not be a strong candidate,

:09:42.:09:45.

but I do not want to rule anyone in or out.

:09:46.:09:49.

Russia will miss the World Championships after the athletics

:09:50.:09:56.

governing body voted to extend their suspension for state-sponsored

:09:57.:09:59.

doping. But some Russians may be up to compete under a neutral banner if

:10:00.:10:06.

they can satisfy testing criteria with Wada. They were suspended in

:10:07.:10:11.

2015, so athletes missed the Olympics last year.

:10:12.:10:12.

We are not going to change the culture of something that has

:10:13.:10:15.

been prominent for 40 or 50 years, and not just simply in Russia.

:10:16.:10:19.

We want to see some sign that there is a cultural shift.

:10:20.:10:22.

We are not going to resubmit the newly-constructed

:10:23.:10:27.

The clear implication is they would appear, if they do,

:10:28.:10:34.

Sir Ben Ainslie... Battle to win the America's Cup has begun with the

:10:35.:10:49.

unveiling of his new boat. They are aiming to bring the trophy back to

:10:50.:10:55.

Britain after 166 years. It was launched in the nude, it was called

:10:56.:11:01.

Rita, the name carried by all of his previous boat. Qualifying for the

:11:02.:11:03.

race begins in May. And, Rafa Nadal will warm up

:11:04.:11:05.

for Wimbledon by playing The 14-time grand-slam champion

:11:06.:11:07.

joins Andy Murray at the event. Nadal had to pull out of the grass

:11:08.:11:13.

event last year due to a wrist injury but won the title back

:11:14.:11:16.

in 2008, before going on to dethrone We will have the headlines at

:11:17.:11:20.

10:30am. This programme can reveal that

:11:21.:11:29.

a village in Hungary which has introduced a bylaw aimed at making

:11:30.:11:31.

it difficult for Muslims and gay people to live

:11:32.:11:34.

there is being advertised in the UK as a place to move to in order to

:11:35.:11:37.

escape multiculturalism and Islam. The group advertising it

:11:38.:11:40.

here is called Knights Templar International,

:11:41.:11:43.

which has links to former British National Party

:11:44.:11:46.

leader Nick Griffin. Our reporter Lesley Ashmall has been

:11:47.:11:49.

to meet the mayor of Asotthalom. Asotthalom, a village on the

:11:50.:11:58.

southern Hungarian plains, just minutes from the Serbian border,

:11:59.:12:03.

where in 2015, 10,000 migrants a day The village population

:12:04.:12:09.

is declining, and The Mayor here wants

:12:10.:12:14.

to attract foreign investors, but not

:12:15.:12:19.

just any foreigner. TRANSLATION: We promote

:12:20.:12:27.

the welcome people from western Europe, people who wouldn't like to

:12:28.:12:31.

live in a multicultural society. We wouldn't like to attract Muslim

:12:32.:12:33.

people in the village. What if I was black,

:12:34.:12:36.

or if I was gay? TRANSLATION: Asotthalom

:12:37.:12:40.

has a bylaw that bans As for your other question,

:12:41.:12:46.

think about this: Europe It can't take in billions of people

:12:47.:12:54.

from Africa and South Asia, where there's

:12:55.:12:59.

a population boom. This would soon lead

:13:00.:13:01.

to the disappearance of Europe. I'd like Europe to

:13:02.:13:04.

belong to Europeans and Asia to belong to Asians, and Africa

:13:05.:13:07.

to Africans, simple as that. He's so serious, he's introduced

:13:08.:13:15.

local legislation banning public displays of affection by gay people,

:13:16.:13:17.

the wearing of Islamic dress like the hijab, and he wants to ban

:13:18.:13:20.

the building of mosques. And his views are being

:13:21.:13:26.

pushed by a British organisation called

:13:27.:13:28.

Knights Templar International. The former British National Party

:13:29.:13:32.

leader Nick Griffin is a member, and the group is

:13:33.:13:35.

advertising smallholdings for sale Hungary is already seen,

:13:36.:13:42.

by more and more West Europeans, as a place of refuge,

:13:43.:13:49.

a place to get away from the help that is about to break

:13:50.:13:53.

loose in western Europe. One of them agree to speak to us,

:13:54.:13:58.

but at the last minute They didn't want to attract

:13:59.:14:02.

attention to themselves. They've spoken of their fears

:14:03.:14:07.

to media in the past, but other villagers reject

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the laws are a huge concern. However, they are the talk

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of the village pub. TRANSLATION: Important issues

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like this should be regulated by the national government,

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not local legislation. TRANSLATION: If they take

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off their veil, I'll accept them. It doesn't even matter

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if they are black. They should become Hungarian

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citizens, even if they are Are you trying to

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create a kind of white I don't use this word white,

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but we are a white, European, Christian population,

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and we want to stay this, like this, We asked Nick Griffin to talk to us

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this morning, but he said no. Hungarian journalist

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Gergely Miklos Nagy was the first There was a widow in which the Mayor

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of Asotthalom recommend the... His village to the Western European

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citizens who want to leave the collapsed Western Europe and wants

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to settle down in a traditionally That was made by the Knights Templar

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International. The majority of the residents of Asotthalom do not

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support it. It is just my feeling. We can now talk to Emanuel Coman,

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a professor at Trinity College Dublin who specialises

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in the European far right, and Iman Atta from Tell Mama,

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an organisation that supports Well, one, it is concerning to see

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that this is happening. Two, that they're actually by-passing laws

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locally and as the citizens mentioned they wanted something to

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happen on a national level, but to come with a statement to have a

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Christian White City and a Christian white Europe is quite concerning.

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You have Christian blacks. You have so many communities that are

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Christian as well as you had a Europe which is multi-cultural which

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is actually strong and in its diversity and multi-culturalism, but

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not allowing... They're not interested. They want to live with

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people like them? That corrodes community cohesion. They think

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multi-culturalism corrodes? The UK has some example of

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multi-culturalism where it works. It is the best model to look at and

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what is happening here with multi-culturalism. We are talking

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about banning the gay community and banning this and banning that. Not

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banning the gay community because they live there, banning public

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display of affection? You're being homophobic and that's promoting

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hatred. That's hatred towards the gay community. Let me bring in the

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professor. Good morning to you. Tell us about the rise of the far-right

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across Europe and what you think of this as part of its, I don't know,

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strategy? It's really hard to tell. What is quite obvious is that

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Hungary is perceived and the Hungarian Government primarily is

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perceived as very friendly to the anti-refugee sentiment. Eastern

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Europeans in general, the governments in Eastern Europe have

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raised their voices against the EU decision to relocate refugees, but

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the Prime Minister has been very, very vociferous in this respect. I

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really couldn't tell whether this is a general phenomenon. It is really

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odd that such a village in Hungary is trying to attract people under

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the idea that what really connects all this right-wing extremists is

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just hatred towards Muslims. They are quite a varied group and as

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somebody who lived in the United Kingdom for fours years as a

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Romanian, who lived in the United Kingdom for four years, I can tell

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you that people like Nick Griffin are not very fond of my people

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either and by my people I mean Eastern Europeans. So too to

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actually live under the impression that this Christian white society

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can have everything in common and no contradictions, it's quite naive.

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Budapest attracts, has attracted, is attracting a number of far-right

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politicians besides Nick Griffin, and James Dowson and the Swedish

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far-right leader has moved there. Is that because of the mood music from

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the Prime Minister? It is not necessarily that they believe they

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can legally do certain things because the things that the mayor is

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trying to implement cannot be legal under the Hungarian law. It is just

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that they're probably hoping that nobody is going to pursue the

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legality of their actions. Yes. There is a little bit of I had

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possibling crassy on part of the leaders because they're not fond of

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the very institution that allows them to live and settle in Hungary

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which is the European Union. Nobody asks themselves what is going to

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happen when Britain is going to leave the euro. How are these guys

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going to be able to live in Budapest and form the white Christian

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communities that they want to do in Hungary? Thank you very much

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professor from Trinity College, Dublin. Thank you.

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If you want to read more about Asotthalom, you can find it on the

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BBC News website. The Government is

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said to be shocked. Some conservative MPs

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are very, very angry. We don't know what Donald Trump

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thinks because he hasn't tweeted on the subject of addressing

:21:02.:21:04.

parliament during his state visit to Britain but we do know

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that the Speaker John Bercow has caused quite a fuss by saying very

:21:07.:21:09.

openly and very assertively that the president would not

:21:10.:21:12.

get his permission to speak to MPs We value our relationship with the

:21:13.:21:19.

United States. If a state visit takes place that is way beyond and

:21:20.:21:27.

above the pay grade of the Speaker. However, as far as this place is

:21:28.:21:36.

concerned, I feel very strongly that our opposition to racism and to

:21:37.:21:42.

sexism and our support for equality before the law and an independent

:21:43.:21:48.

judiciary are hugely important considerations in the House of

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Commons. APPLAUSE

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Our political guru Norman Smith has more.

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How much trouble is he in? MPs will raise with Mr Bercow when he is in

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the chair in the Commons down there, his comments yesterday and many,

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many, Tories are furious because they say it is not his job to make

:22:16.:22:19.

such sort of overt political comments. More than that, he has

:22:20.:22:25.

scuppered Mrs May's attempts to forge closer ties with President

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Trump and they say look, it is the Speaker's job to reflect in an

:22:31.:22:35.

impartial manner and in a non partisan manner the wishes of

:22:36.:22:38.

Parliament. Not to go off on his own and start attacking Donald Trump for

:22:39.:22:41.

race ym and sexism. So I think we will see quite a bit of criticism.

:22:42.:22:45.

What's not clear to me though, is whether there is anything that can

:22:46.:22:51.

actually be done about it because I mean, you know, hypothetically MPs

:22:52.:22:55.

could put down a motion of no confidence in the Speaker. Now,

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that's, you know, extremely unlikely. Its almost unprecedented,

:22:59.:23:03.

but short of that, there is not much that can be done to unpick Mr

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Bercow's decision which basically blocks Donald Trump from addressing

:23:11.:23:15.

Parliament. One Tory MP was suggesting that Mr Bercow should

:23:16.:23:16.

think about his position. In many ways he has been a great

:23:17.:23:27.

Speaker for back benchesers like myself because he has given us the

:23:28.:23:30.

opportunity to ask urgent questions and gave us enough time for

:23:31.:23:33.

statements. He has been a great Speaker. I just think becoming the

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story, using the great institution of the Speaker's, you know, office

:23:41.:23:49.

to make such a political stand is unwise unfortunately. I don't feel

:23:50.:23:54.

comfortable with it. Meanwhile, Downing Street are just

:23:55.:23:58.

trying to stay out of this, but you know they will be grinding their

:23:59.:24:03.

teeth in fury because after all that painstaking work, all that hand

:24:04.:24:08.

holding with Donald Trump now, the Speaker has delivered what bluntly

:24:09.:24:13.

amounts to a fairly public rebuke, even diplomatic snub to President

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Trump and so ministers, you know, while understandably furious, in

:24:21.:24:24.

public have been adopting a more cautious response. Listen to the

:24:25.:24:26.

Cabinet Minister. Well, anyone who knows the Speaker

:24:27.:24:34.

knows he will speak his mind. Whoever is the president of the

:24:35.:24:36.

United States is someone that we want it get on with it and wet want

:24:37.:24:41.

to work hard with and inviting them to the UK is a sensible thing to do.

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REPORTER: Are you happy to see John Bercow in the chair in the Commons?

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I'm happy with whoever is in the chair in the Commons.

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I think what we saw from Speaker Bercow yesterday was all part and

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parcel of what has become almost central to his whole Speakership. He

:25:08.:25:12.

sees himself as a reforming Speaker. Someone who is dragging this place

:25:13.:25:18.

out of the 19th century. He got rid a lot of Kos sums and tried to bring

:25:19.:25:23.

in outsiders and I mean, just before he made his comments yesterday he

:25:24.:25:26.

was talking about ending the practise of Commons clerks having to

:25:27.:25:31.

wear wigs in Parliament and I think when he attacked Donald Trump for

:25:32.:25:36.

racism and sexism, in part, he took the view that those sort of

:25:37.:25:40.

attitudes were totally counter to the sort of image of Parliament

:25:41.:25:44.

which he wants to convey. So in a way, it fitted into his whole sort

:25:45.:25:48.

of reform agenda of trying to drag Parliament into the modern world.

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Cheers, Norman. Alistair Carmicheal

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is a Liberal Democrat MP who thinks Mr Bercow was entitled to say

:25:58.:26:00.

what he did-and James Duddridge a Conservative MP thinks this

:26:01.:26:03.

was not a row he should have jumped I am losing confidence in him. It

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was inappropriate for him to take a highly political and partisan view.

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It is for the House of Commons to make decisions on policy and he

:26:16.:26:20.

endangers his own ability to from the chair approach jaout date on a

:26:21.:26:24.

non partisan basis. I think this perhaps is one step too far for this

:26:25.:26:30.

modernising Speaker. Mr Carmichael, you're smiling in disagreement?

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Well, indeed. Look, I understand that yesterday was quite a moment.

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We've not really seen anything like this in the past, but we live in

:26:38.:26:41.

extraordinary times and I think you have to keep it in a little bit of

:26:42.:26:45.

context here. The context is of course, that Theresa May, spooked by

:26:46.:26:49.

seeing Nigel Farage pictured with Donald Trump in the early days

:26:50.:26:54.

following his election win in November, went charging across,

:26:55.:26:58.

seven days into his office as president and offered up a state

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visit. Now, there is no precedent for that and yes, you know, you have

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to see the context of... He is a democratic... He is a divisive

:27:09.:27:13.

character. He is a democratically elected president. Why shouldn't he

:27:14.:27:16.

address people like yourselves at Westminster? He is a democratically

:27:17.:27:21.

elected, but he has been elected on a platform which does include

:27:22.:27:26.

elements of racism and which does pander to racist elements. We have

:27:27.:27:31.

seen the way in which he has been an apologist to President Putin in

:27:32.:27:35.

recent days and I think it's quite right that the Speaker of the House

:27:36.:27:39.

of Commons should be in a position to say Theresa May may speak for the

:27:40.:27:42.

Government, but she doesn't speak for the whole country. Alistair,

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that's not what he was saying. He was purporting his views. He wasn't

:27:49.:27:51.

say Theresa May doesn't speak for Parliament. He was saying he was

:27:52.:27:55.

speaking for Parliament. If he stood up and said that Parliament should

:27:56.:28:00.

make a decision, you and I should have a vote on whether we should

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invite Donald Trump. I would entirely agree with you. But that's

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not what he did yesterday. You and I both know that fact in you go back

:28:09.:28:18.

to Irskine May. One is impartiality and one is authority. He has vested

:28:19.:28:21.

in him the authority of Parliament to speak on these matters. I think

:28:22.:28:25.

that's what he did and I think he was quite right to stand up for

:28:26.:28:29.

Parliament and to say to Government, that look, you're not just going to

:28:30.:28:33.

take us for granted, there is a range of views here. What you did

:28:34.:28:37.

was premature in offering a state visit. Donald Trump can visit the

:28:38.:28:41.

United Kingdom without it being a state visit and without all the pomp

:28:42.:28:47.

and pageantry that goes with that. That's something that's worth

:28:48.:28:50.

bearing in mind. Indeed, he can have a state visit without coming to

:28:51.:28:53.

Parliament or indeed, he can come to Parliament on the invitation of an

:28:54.:28:57.

individual MP or a group of MPs. He doesn't need permission to come into

:28:58.:29:01.

Parliament. He needs the permission to use Westminster Hallment Speaker

:29:02.:29:05.

Bercow didn't consult the Lord Speaker. Maybe the undemocratically

:29:06.:29:09.

elected members of the House of Lords will end up inviting him! All

:29:10.:29:13.

these things are possible, but you know, I think it's good that we can

:29:14.:29:17.

have this conversation because I think up until this point, our

:29:18.:29:21.

standing in the world stage has really been diminished by the fact

:29:22.:29:26.

that Theresa May chose to go chasing after Donald Trump and the world can

:29:27.:29:29.

now see by good means or ill in fact there is more than one view here in

:29:30.:29:33.

this. Obama said we would be at the back of the queue. We were at the

:29:34.:29:36.

front of the queue to get into the White House. And Theresa May secured

:29:37.:29:43.

big concessions on Nato, that reassured our European partners on

:29:44.:29:46.

the border of Russia. She couldn't get Donald Trump to talk about them.

:29:47.:29:50.

She had to talk about them. Remember, when you're talking about

:29:51.:29:53.

deals... Concessions are concessions. Donald Trump said ta

:29:54.:29:56.

the deals that he's interested in are ones that are good for America.

:29:57.:29:59.

That put America first. Is that really the sort of deal that you

:30:00.:30:02.

want for Britain? One that puts America first? Well, there is mutual

:30:03.:30:08.

interest in a stable Europe, there is a mutual Europe and a prosperous

:30:09.:30:14.

Europe. We can look beyond those narrow interests. Shall I tell you

:30:15.:30:21.

what a couple of taxpayers say. Denise said, "Mr Bercow showed no

:30:22.:30:25.

neutrality. Considering his position requires him to be neutral and

:30:26.:30:29.

impartial, he let down his office and he should step down. He is a

:30:30.:30:34.

disgrace." Liz said, "The Speaker has shown his true identity." David

:30:35.:30:41.

says, "Claerng on Brexit and John Bercow on Trump. Two voices of

:30:42.:30:43.

reason here. There is a wide range of views, and

:30:44.:30:53.

that is good. We live in a society where there ought to be a plurality

:30:54.:30:56.

of views, and one thing that concerns me is that seems to be the

:30:57.:31:05.

sense that if you do not take the same view as somebody who has a

:31:06.:31:10.

different opinion from you, you are somehow being a traitor or betraying

:31:11.:31:15.

or working from some unworthy motive. We should be relaxed with

:31:16.:31:20.

the fact that there is more than one view, and that is what the world

:31:21.:31:23.

sees as they see our democracy functioning. This has left the

:31:24.:31:28.

Speaker diminished, I suspect if there was an open election he would

:31:29.:31:32.

not get elected, and if a candidate stood, I suspect Alistair Carmichael

:31:33.:31:38.

would support me. Why can't the Speaker speak their

:31:39.:31:43.

mind's Donald Trump does. That is what Brendan says. Somebody says,

:31:44.:31:49.

John Bercow does not speak for the whole of the UK, and the world needs

:31:50.:31:54.

to give Donald Trump a decent chance of being president. One person says,

:31:55.:31:59.

the Speaker is speaking his mind, like Donald Trump, what is the

:32:00.:32:00.

problem? The average house now costs eight

:32:01.:32:03.

times the average salary. Loads of you getting in touch. Barry

:32:04.:32:16.

says, I do not understand white people in their 20s and 30s should

:32:17.:32:23.

own a house -- I do not understand why. It was not until my 40s that I

:32:24.:32:26.

even thought about buying a property. Your views are welcome, we

:32:27.:32:30.

will talk about it again. The UK Government is in court today

:32:31.:32:33.

over arms sales to Saudi Arabia, weapons which it's claimed

:32:34.:32:36.

are being used in air strikes With the news, here's Joanna

:32:37.:32:39.

in the BBC Newsroom. The Government is setting

:32:40.:32:45.

out its strategy for fixing what it says is a "broken" housing market

:32:46.:32:50.

in England and hitting its target of building a million

:32:51.:32:53.

new homes by the year 2020. Plans will include more help

:32:54.:32:55.

for first-time buyers, and measures to make rental

:32:56.:32:58.

agreements more secure. The judge in the Rolf Harris trial

:32:59.:33:11.

says the jury can now give a majority verdict they cannot reach a

:33:12.:33:15.

unanimous agreement. He faces six counts of indecent assault and one

:33:16.:33:19.

of sexual assault. The jury has been considering its verdict since last

:33:20.:33:20.

Wednesday. This programme has found that

:33:21.:33:24.

a village in Hungary has banned the wearing of Muslim dress

:33:25.:33:27.

and the call to prayer. The mayor of Asotthalom claims to be

:33:28.:33:29.

leading what he calls "the war against Muslim culture",

:33:30.:33:32.

and he hopes to attract other Christian Europeans

:33:33.:33:34.

who object to multiculturalism Some lawyers have said the laws

:33:35.:33:36.

contravene the Hungarian constitution and the government

:33:37.:33:39.

there is due to rule on them Join me for BBC

:33:40.:33:42.

Newsroom Live at 11am. England are searching for a new Test

:33:43.:33:59.

match captain, with Alastair Cook stepping down after 59 matches in

:34:00.:34:04.

charge. Joe Root is the standout favourite. His coach at Yorkshire

:34:05.:34:09.

says he would take more risks than Alastair Cook if he gets the job.

:34:10.:34:13.

Alastair Cook hopes to still play for England, he is their highest run

:34:14.:34:18.

scorer in Test match cricket, and his appearances and centuries are

:34:19.:34:22.

also national records. Russian athletes will not compete at

:34:23.:34:26.

the World Championships in London. They have been serving a suspension

:34:27.:34:29.

after state-sponsored doping was uncovered. The IAAF have voted to

:34:30.:34:34.

good to knew the ban, but some Russian athletes could still compete

:34:35.:34:37.

as neutrals. Rafa Nadal will warm up for

:34:38.:34:42.

Wimbledon by playing at Queen's Club in June. The 14 time Grand Slam

:34:43.:34:46.

champion joins Andy Murray at the event.

:34:47.:34:49.

More sport on BBC News through the day.

:34:50.:34:52.

Next, David Beckham and his quest for a knighthood.

:34:53.:34:54.

And how damaging is the story, now running into a fourth

:34:55.:34:58.

The sister company of a PR firm that represents David Beckham has

:34:59.:35:02.

confirmed it was subject to a blackmail attempt.

:35:03.:35:04.

A hacker is believed to have demanded money in return for not

:35:05.:35:07.

publishing stolen emails between Beckham and PR

:35:08.:35:09.

A spokesperson for ex-England captain Beckham, 41,

:35:10.:35:15.

said the emails were "hacked", "doctored" and "private".

:35:16.:35:17.

Has the story changed the way you view David Beckham in any way?

:35:18.:35:22.

Joining us now from Sussex is Mark Llewelyn Slade,

:35:23.:35:24.

who runs a company called Awards Intelligence,

:35:25.:35:26.

which claims to help people win awards and nominations.

:35:27.:35:37.

How does it start, the quest to get a knighthood? You have to be In It

:35:38.:35:45.

To Win It, but people cannot put themselves forward, so they rely on

:35:46.:35:47.

their friends and family and business contacts to nominate them.

:35:48.:35:56.

Do you fill in a form? Yes, it is a fairly long and detailed form to do

:35:57.:36:03.

well. What sort of questions you ask's you can knock out a nomination

:36:04.:36:07.

on a wet Sunday afternoon, but is it going to cut it at the Cabinet

:36:08.:36:11.

Office? We estimate they get 20,000 nominations every year, and between

:36:12.:36:19.

two and 2500 are successful, so a little over 10%. It is worth taking

:36:20.:36:23.

the trouble to do it right and properly. Often apathy sets in and

:36:24.:36:28.

friends and family never quite get round to doing it, which is a shame.

:36:29.:36:35.

You need evidence of what charity work? What else? The million-dollar

:36:36.:36:42.

question is, have the nominee gone above and beyond the call of duty?

:36:43.:36:47.

People do not usually get honours for simply doing their job. They

:36:48.:36:51.

must have excelled at something, whether that be community and

:36:52.:36:56.

charity work, or whether they are an eminent doctor, business leader,

:36:57.:37:01.

lawyer or celebrity. David Beckham has already got an honour, I think

:37:02.:37:06.

it is an OBJ, but he wants a knighthood. How do you get that? The

:37:07.:37:11.

level of honour is driven primarily other geographical spread of the

:37:12.:37:17.

person's influence. Somebody operating at a local level, like a

:37:18.:37:22.

Scout leader or a women's Institute person, would be at the lower end,

:37:23.:37:29.

perhaps ADE M or maybe an MBA. But somebody known nationally or

:37:30.:37:33.

internationally as a leader in their field would tend to be at the mid-to

:37:34.:37:48.

high end. It is about geographical spread at the end of the day. Do you

:37:49.:37:49.

think his brand has been damaged in his quest for a knighthood? I think

:37:50.:37:51.

we have to say it has been or it is likely to be damaged. I am not sure

:37:52.:37:55.

he can weather the storm here on this one. But only time can tell. It

:37:56.:38:01.

must be difficult for the Cabinet Office to give him a knighthood

:38:02.:38:05.

after everything that has been supposedly done and said over the

:38:06.:38:11.

last few days. It should be interesting.

:38:12.:38:16.

The Government is setting out its strategy for fixing what it

:38:17.:38:18.

says is a "broken" housing market in England and hitting its target

:38:19.:38:21.

of building a million new homes by the year 2020.

:38:22.:38:24.

Plans will include more help for first-time buyers,

:38:25.:38:25.

and measures to make rental agreements more secure.

:38:26.:38:31.

It's a shift for the Conservative Government to focus on renting and,

:38:32.:38:33.

perhaps, an acknowledgement that with the average house costing eight

:38:34.:38:36.

times the average salary, some of us will never be able

:38:37.:38:38.

Let's talk now to Anne Baxendale, the head of policy at Shelter,

:38:39.:38:43.

James Saunders from Quintain, who have today announced they're

:38:44.:38:45.

building the UK's biggest build-to-rent project,

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and Lord Kerslake, chair of the Peabody Trust,

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No, he is not joining us. Tell us about your project. 5000 homes owned

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at the rental market. Will anybody be able to afford them? Absolutely,

:39:10.:39:15.

we see a wide range of people living in our rental properties, we have

:39:16.:39:19.

some already, doctors, nurses, local people. It is not just for the

:39:20.:39:24.

young, it is for families, for older people. Why are you doing this? You

:39:25.:39:32.

are in it to make money. You say it is affordable? We can build faster

:39:33.:39:38.

and we can build more homes if we have the rental model. We have built

:39:39.:39:43.

to sell in the past, now we are building specifically for the rental

:39:44.:39:46.

market, which we think is an important market for London. It is

:39:47.:39:50.

part of the solution. What is in it for you? We can manage not just the

:39:51.:39:58.

houses but the wider estate, we are building an 86 acre estate, and we

:39:59.:40:02.

can create a great living environment for the long term, the

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best place to live in London. What is in it for you? Rent, but the key

:40:06.:40:11.

is that we have a professional rental company. We are professional

:40:12.:40:16.

landlords. Our tenants do not pay any fees on the way in, they do not

:40:17.:40:22.

pay in victory fees, they do not pay agencies, and they get a package,

:40:23.:40:27.

including broadband... I feel like I am missing something. Or is this as

:40:28.:40:33.

good as you are claiming it to be? It is an important part of the

:40:34.:40:37.

picture in terms of providing new supply, but we need to be clear on

:40:38.:40:40.

the scale, we have 11 million renters. We are talking about Ilda

:40:41.:40:47.

to rent in the tens of thousands. This is helpful, and we welcome any

:40:48.:40:51.

landlord who is interested in providing good conditions, longer

:40:52.:40:55.

tenancies, and giving a good home to tenants. But the scale is very

:40:56.:41:00.

small, Winnie to be realistic. What we need is change for the 11 million

:41:01.:41:06.

tenants living in private rented homes now. That change would include

:41:07.:41:12.

what? We want longer tenancies. Five-year tenancies for people who

:41:13.:41:18.

are renting now, and particularly in acknowledgement of the fact that we

:41:19.:41:22.

have many more families renting with children and many more older people,

:41:23.:41:26.

so the old stereotype of renting from two or three decades ago, of

:41:27.:41:32.

young students in a bedsit on their way to getting a mortgage and just

:41:33.:41:36.

passing through, that is no longer applicable, it is a typically

:41:37.:41:41.

different market. That is right. We are setting out to be a professional

:41:42.:41:46.

landlord. The London market has been dominated by by to let, people who

:41:47.:41:51.

have chosen to be landlords for a short period of time, but we are a

:41:52.:41:56.

professional landlord, it is what you see in America and continental

:41:57.:42:00.

Europe, the people that put the tenant and customer service first.

:42:01.:42:05.

At the moment we see demand is typically for a year to 18 months,

:42:06.:42:10.

but we are very open to longer tenancies. We will move with the

:42:11.:42:13.

market, and that is an important point, this is the beginning of a

:42:14.:42:18.

change in the marketplace. People have been talking about this in

:42:19.:42:21.

London for a long time, but it isn't just beginning now, and we are at

:42:22.:42:26.

the forefront of it. We expect the market to change and mature, but we

:42:27.:42:34.

set up do that. We do not know the details of the formal policy

:42:35.:42:36.

document, it is being announced at lunchtime. But the wording we think

:42:37.:42:44.

so far is that there will be an incentive to landlords to offer

:42:45.:42:47.

minimum tenancies. What might that mean? We welcome the shift in tone,

:42:48.:42:53.

it is important that the Government is talking about renters. It is

:42:54.:42:58.

quite a big change. That needs to be acknowledged. Incentives are

:42:59.:43:03.

unlikely to be enough. We need much bolder action to tenants. We have

:43:04.:43:10.

families raising children in a home where they can be evicted for no

:43:11.:43:15.

reason on two months' notice. Even if they are not evicted, they have

:43:16.:43:19.

to live with that uncertainty. When they have children at school nearby,

:43:20.:43:25.

the challenge of finding a new home that will accept children that is

:43:26.:43:29.

near the school. This is a reality for many people, and what we need is

:43:30.:43:34.

much bolder action that applies to all tenants, and not just very slow

:43:35.:43:42.

reform. For people who are raising children now in a private rented

:43:43.:43:45.

home, they cannot wait ten or 20 years for the change. But we would

:43:46.:43:51.

hope to see from the Government is something that helps those people

:43:52.:43:57.

right now and meet the scale of the ambition that they have set out over

:43:58.:44:01.

the past few days. Charlotte says, I have rented for five years, I have

:44:02.:44:06.

moved six times. The link in Cambridge, it is a struggle, the

:44:07.:44:11.

house I live in cost the same as my monthly wages. My partner and I add

:44:12.:44:16.

30 have always had to have a housemate, and cannot even think

:44:17.:44:21.

about a family or our future yet. Landlords can charge what they like

:44:22.:44:24.

and there are no limits or guidance for house size, etc. Thank you.

:44:25.:44:34.

The Government says today's announcements will also include

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"a range of measures to tackle all unfair and unreasonable

:44:37.:44:38.

We don't yet know the detail, but there are hints they will act

:44:39.:44:42.

to tackle spiralling ground rents and freeholds being traded

:44:43.:44:44.

Leaseholds are one of the fastest-growing types of home

:44:45.:44:49.

ownership in England and Wales, but in many cases leaseholders

:44:50.:44:51.

are stung for thousands of pounds in unexpected costs,

:44:52.:44:54.

as we highlighted in an exclusive report by our reporter

:44:55.:44:57.

Thousands of homeowners are having the ground beneath them sold off and

:44:58.:45:09.

they may not even know about it. What do we want? Homes for Britain,

:45:10.:45:17.

now! New homes are going up across the country. Many are leasehold, not

:45:18.:45:22.

freehold, and the difference is crucial. The new trend is for

:45:23.:45:25.

developers to sell freehold to investment companies. Here is what

:45:26.:45:31.

is happening. A developer builds a house. It sells that house to this

:45:32.:45:39.

couple. But what it sold is the least to the house, that is time in

:45:40.:45:44.

it. A couple of years later, the developer can then sell the

:45:45.:45:47.

freehold, the ground that it is on, to an investment company. It is a

:45:48.:45:52.

way of making money on the same house twice. This whole business is

:45:53.:45:56.

worth hundreds of millions of pounds every year to the developers.

:45:57.:46:02.

I had no idea that my home was used as an trk stream for an investor.

:46:03.:46:13.

Katie was never told her freehold would be sold off. Where did they

:46:14.:46:20.

get the figure from? I have no idea. It doesn't seem ethically right to

:46:21.:46:24.

me at all. I'm not a cashpoint for somebody else and I never realised

:46:25.:46:29.

that I could be used as such. What Bellway are doing isn't illegal.

:46:30.:46:33.

Some of their buyers just feel they weren't clear about their plans. We

:46:34.:46:38.

asked them to comment, but they did not respond. I feel guilty for my

:46:39.:46:42.

family that I've made that wrong decision, you know, it pite not

:46:43.:46:47.

impact on my in my lifetime, but you buy a home for your children to have

:46:48.:46:50.

and you know, to give them something, you know and it's a

:46:51.:46:54.

massive burden to leave for your children. How much difference will

:46:55.:46:59.

today's announcement make to leaseholders?

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We can now speak to Sebastian O'Kelly from the group

:47:09.:47:10.

Leasehold Knowledge Partnership, who's also a former

:47:11.:47:12.

property journalist, and Clair Scott, who is in Salford.

:47:13.:47:14.

She bought a new-build leasehold property in Bolton,

:47:15.:47:16.

but later encountered many of the issues also experienced

:47:17.:47:18.

Tell us about this property. You didn't realise you bought a interest

:47:19.:47:25.

that would see the ground rent shoot up? No, that's right. We bought a

:47:26.:47:31.

house back in 2011 from a national home builder. They offered us some

:47:32.:47:37.

money to help us get on to the property ladder because we didn't

:47:38.:47:42.

have enough deposit. The whole process went really, really well and

:47:43.:47:46.

then fast forward to 2016 last year we came to sell the house and it

:47:47.:47:51.

fell through at the last minute because of the ground rent clause

:47:52.:47:55.

that the buyer's solicitors came across and basically that says that

:47:56.:48:02.

we pay ?295 a year, but then it doubles every ten years. Until it

:48:03.:48:13.

gets to ?9440 a year by 2060. Those solicitors told the buyers that the

:48:14.:48:18.

house was not saleable and the lease was too onerous and not to buy it.

:48:19.:48:23.

The house sale fell through. We've inquired about purchasing the

:48:24.:48:28.

freehold. Again, from an entity we don't know who is behind it, it is

:48:29.:48:33.

just whoever the home builder sold it on to, we don't know who owns our

:48:34.:48:37.

freehold. While you were in the house, the developer sold the

:48:38.:48:40.

freehold without you knowing anything about it? I think it

:48:41.:48:43.

happened a couple of years after we bought the house. They just sold it

:48:44.:48:47.

on to an investment company. No one would have thought anything of it

:48:48.:48:55.

until now. Until when you ask to buy it, the cheapest we have got it to

:48:56.:49:01.

is ?40,000. Right. So what impact does this have on you? Well, we

:49:02.:49:07.

can't sell our house. If we were to sell it, we need to get rid of the

:49:08.:49:11.

lease issue and to do that you've got to buy the freehold at ?40,000.

:49:12.:49:15.

Either way, you look at it, we've lost 25% of the value of our house.

:49:16.:49:19.

So do you think you will be there, you will be in that house now or

:49:20.:49:24.

what? No there, is what makes it worse. Back in September, when we

:49:25.:49:30.

had a house buyer, our buyers were pretty much moved in. They ordered

:49:31.:49:34.

furniture. They had got trades men all lined up to come and do

:49:35.:49:38.

modifications and it only fell through at the last minute and we

:49:39.:49:44.

had already completed on our next house because I'm actually heavily

:49:45.:49:48.

pregnant and we were looking to move to another house in an area where

:49:49.:49:52.

the schools where we wanted our child to be. So, it literally was a

:49:53.:49:58.

case of, there was about five days difference between us buying our

:49:59.:50:02.

house and our house sale falling through. So for us, we're absolutely

:50:03.:50:08.

financially crippled. Riddled with worry because we have this, what

:50:09.:50:13.

should be an asset that we have been putting money into for five years is

:50:14.:50:17.

now actually a massive financial burden. Let me bring in Sebastian.

:50:18.:50:29.

It is a scandal? This Plc house builders selling these leasehold

:50:30.:50:38.

houses, 8755 of them sold and hapless first-time buyers, coming

:50:39.:50:45.

off short-term tenancy go and buy the leasehold products and then go

:50:46.:50:50.

and find the onerous ground rent terms. And their solicitors not

:50:51.:50:53.

doing the job that they're supposed to do? Many of them have bought with

:50:54.:51:01.

solicitors recommended. I can't stress this strongly, do not ever

:51:02.:51:04.

employ a solicitor recommended by a developer. Always choose a different

:51:05.:51:10.

one. That in itself is disqualification. Is the Government

:51:11.:51:14.

going to clampdown on this? It will be addressed in the White Paper. The

:51:15.:51:17.

Housing Minister talked about it last week. I don't think there will

:51:18.:51:23.

be legislative action banning leasehold houses. There are certain

:51:24.:51:28.

circumstances where you've got to build leasehold houses where a

:51:29.:51:30.

developers doesn't own the land for example, but as a practise, I think

:51:31.:51:35.

it will be strongly discouraged, one of the main Plc house builders has

:51:36.:51:40.

stopped doing it from 1st January as a result of our efforts. Good.

:51:41.:51:44.

Others have got to follow. The Help To Buy scheme where taxpayers are

:51:45.:51:49.

under writing people's mortgages to buy these flawed, predatory products

:51:50.:51:54.

will also have, it is something that ministers can do just to stop that.

:51:55.:51:57.

I think throughout your programme, the one thing that hasn't been

:51:58.:52:01.

brought up in the housing is that English housing, UK generally, but

:52:02.:52:05.

English housing, has this awful speculative element to it of a get

:52:06.:52:10.

rich quick element in housing and in leasehold, you see this very

:52:11.:52:16.

clearly. We're told that freeholds are own by pension funds. Rubbish.

:52:17.:52:21.

Many of them are owned by shady companies, where the directors are

:52:22.:52:26.

hidden by nominee directors or they are owe owned off-shore. It is this

:52:27.:52:29.

speculative element that's got to end in British property.

:52:30.:52:34.

Well, thank you for making that point.

:52:35.:52:45.

The High Court in London has begun considering a case aimed at stopping

:52:46.:52:54.

British arms being used by Saudi Arabia to attack Yemen.

:52:55.:52:58.

An estimated 10,000 people have been killed in Yemen,

:52:59.:53:03.

most by Saudi led airstrike, resulting in Britain being accused

:53:04.:53:05.

The United Nations estimates that at least 10,000 people have been

:53:06.:53:09.

killed in the war in Yemen between Houthi rebels

:53:10.:53:11.

and the Saudi-led coalition supporting the government.

:53:12.:53:25.

Which is Fergus? I'm Fergus. Tell us about your trip and what you saw?

:53:26.:53:31.

The scale of humanitarian is off the chart. There are ten million

:53:32.:53:34.

children in need of international humanitarian assistance. I went

:53:35.:53:38.

around a hospital in the north of the country. Our feet crunched on

:53:39.:53:43.

broken glass because the windows of the hospital are constantly blown

:53:44.:53:48.

out. I think, we can show our audience some images compiled by

:53:49.:53:50.

Save The Children. They are distressing. So I want to let you

:53:51.:53:54.

know that in advance. You can perhaps tell us about the

:53:55.:53:57.

pictures Fergus if you would. Wonderful. So the wards are packed

:53:58.:54:09.

full of skeletal children. There is one incredibly brave nurse called

:54:10.:54:14.

Martha who is trying to keep 16 newborn babies alive in the

:54:15.:54:17.

intensive care unit where there was no electricity and the incubators

:54:18.:54:20.

were held together by sellotape. One nurse trying to keep 16 babies alive

:54:21.:54:27.

where incubators are held together with sellotape. Yes. And there is no

:54:28.:54:31.

electricity. Wow. My goodnessment OK. Goodnessment goodness. The case

:54:32.:54:42.

in the High Court. Tell our audience about it UK arms have been central

:54:43.:54:47.

to that. UK fighter jets have been flying overhead and UK bombs have

:54:48.:54:51.

been falling on to people below. Since the bombing began in 2015, the

:54:52.:54:58.

UK licensed over ?3 billion of arms to Saudi Arabia. British

:54:59.:55:01.

manufacturers have export licences to sell arms to Saudi Arabia? Well,

:55:02.:55:06.

we believe the arms exports have not just been immoral, they have been

:55:07.:55:11.

illegal. It says if there is a clear risk that weapons might be used in a

:55:12.:55:16.

serious violation of international humanitarian law, then an arms

:55:17.:55:20.

export should not go approach head. Seek the horrific images today, how

:55:21.:55:24.

much more serious does that risk have to be? Saudi Arabia is one of

:55:25.:55:30.

the most abusive regimes in the world and it is conducting a

:55:31.:55:33.

terrible, terrible crimes against the people of Yemen. Let me bring in

:55:34.:55:40.

an aid worker. Can you hear me OK? Yes. Tell me what you have

:55:41.:55:48.

witnessed. Well, what I witness in my country which is very poor. The

:55:49.:55:53.

situation is very, very bad. People are in need for humanitarian

:55:54.:55:57.

assistance. There are casualties every day. People die in almost

:55:58.:56:02.

every place of the country because of various reasons. It is either

:56:03.:56:05.

because of the conflict or because of lack of humanitarian aid. There

:56:06.:56:18.

are protection challenges. The health system is collapsing. Let's

:56:19.:56:23.

say it has already collapsed. We have nutrition challenges all across

:56:24.:56:29.

the country. Children are dying of hunger and lack of proper Health

:56:30.:56:36.

Services. We also have problems in education and people now have no

:56:37.:56:43.

schools. There are seven million children that have no access to

:56:44.:56:48.

education. I can't say that the situation in yem -- I can say that

:56:49.:56:51.

the situation in Yemen is very, very dire and people are in immediate

:56:52.:56:58.

need of assistance. If Britain doesn't sell arms to Saudi Arabia,

:56:59.:57:05.

somebody else will? It is the same argument which could be used to

:57:06.:57:10.

justify selling weapons to Iran or Russia or North Korea or anybody.

:57:11.:57:15.

Iran are on the other side. From a British point of view, you could say

:57:16.:57:18.

there is some kind of strategy in order to maintain our influence

:57:19.:57:22.

there over and above Iran? The UK is meant to stand for Human Rights and

:57:23.:57:25.

democracy around the world. It should not be arming one of the most

:57:26.:57:29.

brutal repressive regimes in the world while it wages a terrible

:57:30.:57:33.

bombardment against one of the poorest countries in the world.

:57:34.:57:41.

Fergus? We're working with an incredibly brave 13-year-old girl

:57:42.:57:44.

who was bombed whilst in her classroom. She lost her teacher and

:57:45.:57:51.

her friends and her cousin. She is so traumatised and she is going to

:57:52.:57:56.

be dealing with the trauma of that forever and we're doing everything

:57:57.:57:59.

we can to respond to the hult situation on the ground, but we need

:58:00.:58:02.

the British Government to help to put pressure on all sides of the

:58:03.:58:05.

conflict to get back around the negotiating table. Thank you very

:58:06.:58:08.

much. Thank you for coming on the programme. Thank you very much for

:58:09.:58:20.

your company today. Back tomorrow. Have a good day.

:58:21.:58:34.

Oh, my goodness me, I don't like the look of that.

:58:35.:58:36.

The Robshaws are going back in time again...

:58:37.:58:38.

Feel a little bit overwhelmed at the moment.

:58:39.:58:43.

How people did this every day, I don't know.

:58:44.:58:47.

Calf's head. Leave the teeth out of it, won't you?

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