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Should British citizens be allowed to bring their spouses to the UK

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whatever their income? Right now, they need to earn over ?18,000 a

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year in order to do so. We're expecting a Supreme Court ruling

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live in the next hour or two. We'll bring you the result.

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How can you carry on like this? How can we continue to live like this?

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We want to be able to be together. We want to be able to sit down and

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relax together. But we can't. We have to stay like this. Also, it's

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the BRIT Awards tonight. We'll be asking if the organisers

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have done enough to celebrate black artists after criticism of last

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year's pretty much all white line-up of nominees. Are patients missing

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out on compassionate care because nurses are too stretched. We'll talk

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to nurses in the next hour of the programme.

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Hello and welcome to the programme. We're live until 11am.

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We're also talking about the British IS fighter who died in that suicide

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bomb attack on Iraqi forces in Mosul this week.

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He was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee who received,

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it is reported, ?1 million in compensation,

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taxpayers' money, your money, on his release back to the UK.

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We'll be asking if the money was spent on terror and how

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Our top story today, a ruling expected later this morning

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at the Supreme Court could mean that thousands of British citizens

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gain the legal right to bring their foreign spouse

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Currently, people who are married to a Briton but are from outside

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the European Economic Area - that is, the EU plus Iceland,

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Liechtenstein and Norway, have been barred from settling

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here unless their partner earns more than ?18,600 a year.

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Hi Lisa. Good morning. So what cases is the Supreme Court actually ruling

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on today? Well, this is the final Court of Appeal in the UK for civil

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cases and they're going to rule on whether this is lawful. Critics say

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that 15,000 children are being prevented from being with their

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parents because of this. And in a series of test cases, those who have

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been affected argued that the rules breached their right to any family

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life and in 2013 the High Court ruled in their favour saying that

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the rules were owe near are yous and unjustified and the judge urged the

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Home Secretary to rewrite the rules, but the decision was overturned by

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the Court of Appeal and that's what led to this challenge. The current

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law, how does it work at the moment? Well, from 2012, Britons must earn

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more than ?18600 because before a husband or a spouse can come from

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the EEA, and settle in the UK, the minimum income threshold, that

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affects people settled in the UK as well as refugees and then they have

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an extra amount of money for each child, ?2400 for each child above

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that. Now, the rules don't take account of any earnings of the

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overseas partner. So you could somebody who has got a, who is

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better qualified and they could have a much higher income potential if

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they came here. So that's what some of the critics are saying. OK, thank

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you very much, Lisa, thank you. We'll be speaking to some of those

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affected by the current law - British people facing separation

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from their spouses - in the next few minutes

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on this programme. Joanna is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary An extra ?200 million in emergency

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humanitarian aid has been promised by the Government to tackle a famine

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in South Sudan and Somalia. The International Development

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Secretary, Priti Patel, said the additional funds

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would provide food, water and emergency health care for more

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than two million people. Here's our diplomatic

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editor, James Landale. In parts of war-torn South Sudan,

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people are now dying of starvation and famine has

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been officially declared. The UN and charities say that

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Somalia, Yemen and north-east Nigeria are facing similar

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humanitarian crisis with millions of people having no

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reliable access to food. So today the International

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Development Secretary, Priti Patel, is promising a new package

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of emergency aid for She said there will be

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an extra ?200 million made available this year,

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this would include emergency food and water for a million people

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in Somalia and food assistance There will be also emergency health

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care and nutritional support for starving children

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in both countries. Britain's leadership will basically

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mean we will be saving lives, bringing vital assistance to people

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in desperate need but also putting the call out to the international

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community to get them to step up, to galvanise their support

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so that we can have a strong international response to what quite

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frankly could be a devastating Got a, who is better qualified and

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they could have a much higher income potential if they came here. So

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that's what some of the critics are saying. OK, thank you very much,

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Lisa, thank you. The problem is these crisis have

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been caused as much by conflict as by drought and no amount of aid will

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end the violence that's brought so much suffering to these countries.

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A convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape

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Shaun Walmsley is one of four men serving life sentences for a fatal

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He fled from outside Aintree University Hospital

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as he was getting into a car with prison officers.

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Our reporter Holly Hamilton is outside the hospital for us now.

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Holly, tell us more about how this happened. Good morning, Joanna. Yes,

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from what we understand Shaun Walmsley was brought here yesterday

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afternoon for a medical procedure, for a medical appointment, he was

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set upon unfortunately minutes later, he and two prison guards were

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coming out of the hospital to return back to Liverpool jail where he has

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based, where he's serving a life sentence. The two men both of whom

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were carrying weapons, it is understood one was carrying a gun,

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the other was brandishing a knife, both had their faces coveredment

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they forced the two prison officers to release Shaun Walmsley. Neither

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prison guards were injured in the incident. They were able to raise

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the alarm quickly. Merseyside Police say they have launched a nationwide

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search for the prisoner. They're working with the Ministry of Jus tus

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and with other police support officers across the UK to try to

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trace his whereabouts. He's described as dangerous. Members of

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the public have been asked not to approach him. He was convicted for

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murder in 2015 and he has been serving a life sentence as you say,

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along with four other men. Now, he is described as dangerous. He is

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expected to be still with the two men who helped him escape yesterday

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afternoon. It's possible they could still be carrying weapons, so

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members of the public have been asked not to approach them, but

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instead to call 999 if they have any information.

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Thank you, Holly. It's thought that a British man,

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who carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq for the so-called

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Islamic State terrorist group, had previously received compensation

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from the UK Government after being arrested

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in Pakistan by US forces The man, whom IS called

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Abu-Zakariya al-Britani, but who was previously

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known as Jamal al Harith and before that Ronald Fiddler,

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detonated a vehicle filled with explosives in a village

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south of Mosul. In 2001, he was detained

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in the Guantanamo Bay detention centre as a terrorism suspect,

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but was freed in 2004 after lobbying Lloyds Banking Group has

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reported its highest annual profit in a decade,

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helped by a reduction in payment protection insurance,

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PPI, provisions. Pre-tax profits increased

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to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen The UK Government's stake in Lloyds

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has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank

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to full private ownership this year. The cost of essential repairs

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to school buildings in England has reached almost ?7 billion,

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according to the In a report published today,

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it warns that figure It also says that ministers' plans

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to create 500 new free schools adds up to a bill of ?2.5 billion simply

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to purchase the land The White House has issued

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new guidelines designed to multiply the deportation of illegal

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immigrants from the United States. Officials have been told to enforce

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existing laws more strictly, and more quickly, and to target

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undocumented people arrested for minor offences such as shoplifting

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or traffic violations. President Trump's spokesman,

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Sean Spicer, said the new rules would make immigration

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officers' work easier. The president needed to give

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guidance especially after what they went through in the last

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administration, members had to figure out each individual whether

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or not they fitted into a particular category and they could adjudicate

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that case. The president wanted to take the shackles off individuals in

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these agencies and say you have a mission, there are laws that need to

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be followed. You should do your mission and follow the law.

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Malaysian police say they want to question a North Korean

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diplomat over the killing of Kim Jong-nam -

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the estranged half-brother of North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un.

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Kim Jong-nam died after being attacked at the international

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airport in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur last week.

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Two women caught on CCTV carrying out the attack said they thought

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they were participating in a TV prank, but police claim

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they were well aware they were using a toxic chemical.

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By 2030 both men and women in the UK are expected to live

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well into their 80s, for the first time.

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Scientists at Imperial College London looked at the average life

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expectancy in 35 industrialised nations and discovered all would see

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people living longer with the gap between men and women

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Women in South Korea are expected to live the longest,

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If there is a barrier, we are not anywhere close to it. Whether that's

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100 or 110, we'll just have to wait for another couple of decades to

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see, but certainly not 90. The Bill giving the Prime Minister

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permission to trigger the start of the Brexit process has been given

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an unopposed second reading It will now be discussed

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in committee where some peers are expected to attempt to amend

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the proposed legislation. The first anniversary of the murder

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of Jo Cox will be marked by street parties and picnics throughout the

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country. The MP was killed in her West Yorkshire constituency before

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last June's EU referendum. Her husband said the great get together

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would be a fitting tribute it his wife. The plans will be launched by

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the Duchess of Cornwall later today. A runaway bull has led police

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in New York on a chase The bull, which is believed to have

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escaped from a slaughterhouse, was on the loose for around two

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hours in the district of Queens. It repeatedly gave officers the slip

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before it was finally tranquilised An animal sanctuary had

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offered to rehome the bull, but sadly it died

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on its way to the centre. That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9.30. Do get in touch with us

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throughout the morning, use #Victoria LIVE and If you text,

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you will be charged What a thrilling game. Two sides

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going all out to attack? It reminded me of my school days, just playing

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in the playground. You didn't care about defending your own goal, all

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you wanted to do was attack, attack. Twice City came from behind, 5-3 was

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the final score. Look at that goal! Fantastic goal.

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And then Sergio Aguero of City said, "Anything you can do, I can match

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you." A brilliant match by City. Two attacking teams going all-out. 5-3

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was the final score and they take that valuable, valuable lead to

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Monaco in three weeks time. It will be an interesting match-up that one.

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Wayne Rooney, he's not really going to China, is he? Well, it seems

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unthinkable, if you think a few weeks back when he became Manchester

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United's record goal scorer. This is a person, a legend of the club, so

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synonymous with Manchester United, but Jose Mourinho yesterday said he

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can't guarantee that Wayne Rooney will still be in the squad in the

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coming seasons. Wayne Rooney has previously said he will fulfil his

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contract up until 2019, but when China, the Chinese Super League come

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calling there is a big financial incentive for him to leave. We

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understand he won't go in the next week when the Chinese Super League

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transfer window is opened, but possibly, possibly in the summer. It

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does make you wonder about Wayne Rooney's long-term future at the

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club. What is the latest with the pie eating verve goalie or no longer

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reserve goalie for Sutton? Yeah, you know it's a big story when it gets

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its own hashtag, pie gate, it has been called. There is a petition

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launched to have him reinstated after he stepped down from the club

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yesterday and there were some people out there that will say he was just

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having a laugh and perhaps the rules are restrictive, but if you look at

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this argument, he has broken the rules and the rules are that no one

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is allowed, no one including players, coaches, staff, officials

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are allowed to bet on anything to do with a football competition,

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directly or indirectly as the case maybe. Now, you know, it didn't

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affect the outcome of the game, but did it compromise the integrity of

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the competition? This is what the FA and the Gambling Commission will be

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investigating. Thank you very much, Jess.

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Nursing standard and marry curie asked nurses about their experiences

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of caring for patients in their final months, weeks and days of

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their lives. if Nursing Standard and Marie Curie,

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asked nurses about their experiences of caring for patients in the final

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months, weeks and days Two out of three nurses said

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they don't have enough time They also said training and

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community services need to improve. Let's speak to Conservative MP

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Maria Caulfield who used to work as an NHS nurse,

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an A nurse Danny Meredith, an assistant mental health nurse

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Diane Cawood and Alwin Puthenparakal really give our audience an insight

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into a typical day? It is a very fast paced environment. It involves

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a lot of high-pressure time management. Organisational skills.

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On a daily basis, we tend to go on the phrase time is tissue. We remind

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ourselves of the challenges we face every day. What kind of patients are

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you looking after. They tend to be sedated and ventilated, normally

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non-cognate area. They are looked after the accident scene, excellent

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training. Also the family members as well. How many patients would you be

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responsible for, not use only, as you said, it is 18? Normally if it

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is one care, in the UK, it can vary. If the patients are getting better,

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it can vary from one nurse looking after two patients. Normally the

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case. What is the biggest challenge as a nurse working in intensive

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care? The biggest challenge, I would say, not having enough time.

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Essentially, because there are a lot of things to do in a given period of

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time. In a 12 hour period. However the most important goal for all of

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us as a team is to help patients recover. Besides that, we have the

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document everything we do. Looking after the welfare of the family

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members. Look after the welfare of ourselves, throughout the process of

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a heavy, emotionally distressing day. Fantastic insight, thank you.

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Diane, you are an assistant mental health nurse. Typical day, give our

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audience and real insight, to get under the skin of what you do on a

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daily basis? No two days of the same in mental health. Part of what I

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love about it. Usually quite busy and hectic. You will have 22, 23, 24

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patients. People with depression, anxiety, self harm and those

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suffering with psychosis. You are looking after the day today needs

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generally, people with mental health conditions. If any of them have

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physical illnesses, as well. On a ward with 22 patients, Hammond staff

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would there be? On a typical day shift, two qualified nurses and two

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nursing assistants. On a night shift, one qualified nurse and two

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systems. Is that enough?? I would not say so, we need more staff, if

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it gets more busy, more things going on on the ward, you need more staff.

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What is your biggest challenge? Like the previous gentleman said, it is

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time, never enough hours in the data your job. Maria coalfield,

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Conservative MP, still doing shifts as an NHS nurse. Tell us about a

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typical day in a hospital? A shift can vary, one day can be very

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different from the next. I have been a nurse for 20 years. I mainly

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working inpatient setting. I cannot comment about what happens in the

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community. The types of patients have changed. I work in cancer care,

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patients used to come in before operations, stay in many days after

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operations. The post period was a part of their stay. Now they come in

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on the day of surgery, going home pretty quickly. The type of patients

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are more sicker, post up, acute infections. Those patients who are

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dying, or going on for the same ward. Juggling different types is a

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most difficult part of the job. People recovering from operations,

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someone who needs chemotherapy, given on time. Often the patient who

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is poorly, maybe the end of life care, the patient he gets seen last.

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You have to prioritise the type of patient you are looking after. That

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has changed, much more acute over the years. Since I have been a

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nurse. The survey, not a revelation to save most nurses say they do not

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have enough time. What is really significant, what they are saying we

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don't have enough time with patients who are dying. That is really

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alarming. In Parliament, we have had debates about end of life care. In

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the cancer setting, it is pretty good, excellent hospices, good end

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of life care. In other settings, Alzheimer's, MS, there is not the

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end of life care support. Very often patients are stuck in hospitals,

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they want to be at home, they want to be in a hospice. People looking

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after them, and I talked to nurses who say we do not have the skills to

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do end of life care, often gets forgotten. I completely agree with

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Mary, at the end of the day, it is about training, and the time

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available to look after the patient. Besides my role as in intensive care

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nurse, I work as a university lecturer, me the time to to students

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as well. To see what they have experienced, and also qualified

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nurses as well. As previously advertised, in several reports in

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the last decade, there is a growing problem, this issue has always been

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there. We need to speak to the patients, for their feedback. Look

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at the problem in a holistic sense. Do you get his feet Theresa May, and

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give her your direct experience? I met with the Secretary of State,

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Jeremy Hunt, there has been a report done on end of life care. One of the

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key areas is training for staff. Staff are not necessarily trained in

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pain control. The survey today is that the time. A lot of it to do

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with the commissioning process, at the moment they are paid for a

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number of operations, chemotherapy, but not paid for end of life care.

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Hospitals are not, and until we are recognising the value of the end of

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life care, and hospitals... The money would pay for businesses, it

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would be seen as an intrinsic part of the role. It might pay for them.

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I have not done the maths, but not enough people wanting to be nurses.

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The current system, I was under the bursary system, I had reservations

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about that being disbanded, they were turning student nurses away,

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there was a cap on the numbers. The new schemes, the associate nurse and

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the apprenticeship nurse will bring more into the profession. That is

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what we hope is. Of course that is the hope. There is a shortage right

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now. There are 10,000 more nurses being trained in practice, compared

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to 2010. There are more, many more patients, many more challenges

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because of the lack of social care. My experience in 20 years, the skill

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mix is better on the wards. I used to look after, ten, 15 years ago,

:24:27.:24:34.

ten patients are shift. That has dropped down to six, that is down to

:24:35.:24:38.

reports like from this report. That was about safety. Nurses were

:24:39.:24:46.

looking after too many patients. Let me ask you both, what you would say

:24:47.:24:52.

to maria, who occasionally as a hotline to the Prime Minister

:24:53.:24:55.

because of her experience on the NHS. What messages should she give

:24:56.:25:02.

to her? Fundamentally, all about the organisational skills. The adequate

:25:03.:25:06.

amount of training for the appropriate nurses, in particular

:25:07.:25:13.

settings. So they can approach these challenges in the right kind of way.

:25:14.:25:18.

Diane, what would you say? Training certainly helps. I feel staff

:25:19.:25:25.

retention is a big part of it. A lot of people leaving the profession,

:25:26.:25:29.

because they are overworked, undervalued, stress, not supported.

:25:30.:25:33.

It is good to be training more nurses, I myself am a student nurse.

:25:34.:25:39.

We need to be keeping the people already trained, making them feel

:25:40.:25:46.

valued. Absolutely. A huge retention problem. It is a difficult job. A

:25:47.:25:56.

huge level of burn-out. Only so long you can be dealing with that

:25:57.:26:01.

stressful situation. A number of nurses who want to return to

:26:02.:26:05.

practice. Difficult to do that, time-consuming, expensive process.

:26:06.:26:11.

We need to focus on keeping nurses, so they do not feel they need to

:26:12.:26:15.

leave the profession and we need to make it easier for people returning

:26:16.:26:18.

to nursing. Thanks for coming to the programme. If you work in the

:26:19.:26:24.

nursing profession or use you, let me know your experiences, what it

:26:25.:26:27.

was like for you on the ward, where it was you work. And what the issues

:26:28.:26:33.

are. What the government should be concentrating on. Still to come on

:26:34.:26:45.

the programme. It is the BRIT Awards tonight, this year a different

:26:46.:26:50.

story. We are asking if the organisers have done nothing

:26:51.:26:53.

celebrate black artists. We will find out whether British citizens

:26:54.:26:56.

will be allowed to bring their spouses in the UK, and have much

:26:57.:27:04.

they earn. -- however much they earn.

:27:05.:27:16.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:27:17.:27:19.

A ruling expected later this morning at the Supreme Court later

:27:20.:27:22.

could mean that thousands of British citizens gain the legal right

:27:23.:27:24.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:27:25.:27:27.

A ruling expected later this morning at the Supreme Court later

:27:28.:27:30.

could mean that thousands of British citizens gain the legal right

:27:31.:27:33.

to bring their foreign spouse to live in the UK.

:27:34.:27:35.

Since 2012, people who are married to a Briton but are from outside

:27:36.:27:38.

the European Economic Area - that is, the EU plus Iceland,

:27:39.:27:41.

Liechtenstein and Norway - have been barred from settling

:27:42.:27:43.

Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news.

:27:44.:27:46.

to bring their foreign spouse to live in the UK.

:27:47.:27:48.

Since 2012, people who are married to a Briton but are from outside

:27:49.:27:51.

the European Economic Area - that is, the EU plus Iceland,

:27:52.:27:54.

Liechtenstein and Norway - have been barred from settling

:27:55.:27:56.

here unless their partner earns more than ?18,600

:27:57.:27:58.

An extra ?200 million in emergency humanitarian aid has been promised

:27:59.:28:01.

by the Government to tackle a famine in South Sudan and Somalia.

:28:02.:28:04.

The international development secretary, Priti Patel,

:28:05.:28:06.

said the additional funds would provide food, water

:28:07.:28:08.

and emergency health care for more than two million people.

:28:09.:28:10.

A convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape

:28:11.:28:13.

Shaun Walmsley is one of four men serving life sentences for a fatal

:28:14.:28:18.

He fled from outside Aintree University Hospital

:28:19.:28:20.

as he was getting into a car with prison officers.

:28:21.:28:23.

It's thought that a British man, who carried out a suicide bombing

:28:24.:28:26.

in Iraq for the so-called Islamic State terrorist group,

:28:27.:28:28.

had previously received compensation from the UK Government

:28:29.:28:30.

after being arrested in Pakistan by US forces

:28:31.:28:32.

The man, whom IS called Abu-Zakariya al-Britani,

:28:33.:28:35.

but who was previously known as Jamal al Harith and before

:28:36.:28:37.

that Ronald Fiddler, detonated a vehicle filled

:28:38.:28:39.

with explosives in a village south of Mosul.

:28:40.:28:41.

In 2001, he was detained in the Guantanamo Bay detention

:28:42.:28:43.

centre as a terrorism suspect, but was freed in 2004 after lobbying

:28:44.:28:46.

Lloyds Banking Group has reported its highest

:28:47.:28:49.

annual profit in a decade, helped by a reduction

:28:50.:28:51.

in payment protection insurance, PPI, provisions.

:28:52.:28:52.

Pre-tax profits increased to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen

:28:53.:28:55.

The UK Government's stake in Lloyds has now fallen below 5% and it has

:28:56.:29:00.

said it wants to return the bank to full private

:29:01.:29:02.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

:29:03.:29:18.

The headlines, Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola says his side

:29:19.:29:33.

must score in the return leg in the Champions League tie with Monaco.

:29:34.:29:41.

City came from behind to win 5-3 last night, but he said they were

:29:42.:29:45.

not the violence unless they can turn Monaco's attacking tactics.

:29:46.:29:49.

Jose Mourinho says he cannot guarantee Wayne Rooney will be with

:29:50.:29:54.

Manchester United next season. He has been linked with the Chinese

:29:55.:29:57.

Super League. Ryan Sidebottom will end his 20 year cricket career at

:29:58.:30:03.

the end of the season. He has won the County Championship five times,

:30:04.:30:17.

winning T20 World Cup 2010. Wayne Shaw has resigned from his position

:30:18.:30:20.

at Sutton, after a pie eating row. Should British citizens

:30:21.:30:25.

have an automatic right Currently you need to earn more

:30:26.:30:27.

than ?18,600 if your husband or wife is from a non-EU country -

:30:28.:30:33.

more in some cases where there The rules were brought

:30:34.:30:36.

in by the Government four years ago to stop low-income migrant families

:30:37.:30:41.

becoming a burden on the taxpayer, but opponents say the rules

:30:42.:30:45.

are unfair and have led to thousands of children being separated

:30:46.:30:51.

from their parents. Today the Supreme Court will decide

:30:52.:30:54.

if the rules are lawful or not. Last year our reporter

:30:55.:31:00.

Divya Talwar met Amira, a mother who fled Syria with her son,

:31:01.:31:03.

and was left separated from her husband because she didn't

:31:04.:31:05.

meet the minimum income requirement. The seaside town of Barry Islands in

:31:06.:31:26.

Wales. This is home for Amira and her son Jude since she fled from

:31:27.:31:30.

Syria. Two years ago the daily sounds of

:31:31.:31:35.

gunfire and barrel bombs were normal life in Damascus with her Syrian

:31:36.:31:41.

husband. Amira is British and her dad is Syrian and she met her

:31:42.:31:45.

husband through her relatives living there. When she fell pregnant, the

:31:46.:31:49.

couple decided they had to leave the country. Amira came back to the UK

:31:50.:31:54.

just before giving birth, but her husband had to stay behind. He

:31:55.:31:58.

couldn't get a visa and still can't. I don't meet the means or the

:31:59.:32:03.

requirements to bring my husband here on a spouse visa or like wise a

:32:04.:32:11.

family visa. Since leaving Syria, Amira's home in Damascus has been

:32:12.:32:17.

bombed. Family members have lost their lives. Her husband has fled to

:32:18.:32:24.

Turkey. The family try to Skype every day. Jude is one of at least

:32:25.:32:29.

15,000 British children growing up in Skype families since the new

:32:30.:32:35.

rules came in, according to a report by the Children's Commissioner. He's

:32:36.:32:40.

trying to get to give. He's trying to give him cuddles. It is him

:32:41.:32:45.

trying to get to, you know, he's trying... You see, he just wants to

:32:46.:32:52.

try and get to, he wants to try and get to his dad to have cuddles with

:32:53.:32:59.

him. It can't keep on doing this. I just can't keep on... It's just...

:33:00.:33:05.

How can you carry on like this? How can we continue to live like this?

:33:06.:33:10.

We want to be able to be together and we want to be able to sit down

:33:11.:33:15.

and relax together, but we can't. We have to stay like this. Yeah, good

:33:16.:33:21.

boy. Kiss it. Amira and her husband separated this

:33:22.:33:32.

year because the distance between them put too many strains

:33:33.:33:34.

on their relationship. Let's talk now to two

:33:35.:33:38.

people who fall below Satbir Singh who's a British citizen

:33:39.:33:43.

and cannot bring his wife over from India and Lian Papay whose

:33:44.:33:52.

American husband AJ faces being deported because of repeated

:33:53.:33:54.

visa rejections, and Chai Patel who's charity Joint Council

:33:55.:33:57.

for the Welfare of Immigrants it campaigns for justice

:33:58.:33:59.

in immigration law. How long have you been living apart

:34:00.:34:07.

from your Going on six wife? Months. What's that like? Obviously

:34:08.:34:11.

incredibly challenging. Incredibly unsettling. It makes planning the

:34:12.:34:17.

future very difficult. I think you married in 2014 after you met at

:34:18.:34:20.

university in London. Yes. So you married after the rules were brought

:34:21.:34:25.

in. Were you aware of them? We were. What we weren't aware of is the

:34:26.:34:30.

technicality in the rules both of us individually actually earn above the

:34:31.:34:33.

minimum income requirement, but as my wife is not an EU citizen, her

:34:34.:34:37.

income isn't couldn'ted and as my work is basically on a contract

:34:38.:34:42.

basis, it's not counted either. Previously we were living in the

:34:43.:34:47.

United States. Our visas were renegotiated and we were sort of

:34:48.:34:51.

required to leave the US and it was at that point that we were

:34:52.:34:53.

involuntarily put in no position where we basically now have to live

:34:54.:34:56.

in separate countries. You don't have to live in separate countries.

:34:57.:35:00.

You could move to India? I could move to India, but if I did that,

:35:01.:35:05.

even if I got an incredible job, there is no way we would save the

:35:06.:35:09.

savings requirement to move back to the United Kingdom. That's about

:35:10.:35:15.

?60,000 as a minimum. Yes. Easier said than done, I know. Are you

:35:16.:35:21.

trying to get a job? Yes. Which would give you the minimum

:35:22.:35:25.

requirement? I earn above the income requirement. It is a technicality

:35:26.:35:30.

that contract work isn't recognised. I'm working sort of all hours that

:35:31.:35:34.

I'm not working on my actual job to find a new job. It's very difficult

:35:35.:35:41.

to turn down work as it comes to say well, I can't take on a new contract

:35:42.:35:47.

because I'm looking for a full-time job because you're foregoing income.

:35:48.:35:50.

You're trapped between a rock and a hard place. The original rational

:35:51.:35:55.

from the Government was about effectively the rules were brought

:35:56.:35:58.

in to reduce costs to taxpayers and there were a couple of other things

:35:59.:36:02.

as well. Do you accept that? I don't. Spouses have not had recourse

:36:03.:36:07.

to public funds traditionally. They pay into the NHS before they are

:36:08.:36:11.

granted their visa and if we're talking about the economics of it,

:36:12.:36:16.

the Government's o Office of National Statistics points out there

:36:17.:36:19.

is a net gain to the Treasury from spouses who come here and work and

:36:20.:36:22.

pay taxes as my wife would, as many spouses would, so there is no sort

:36:23.:36:26.

of sensible logic behind the economic argument here either. What

:36:27.:36:31.

about if you earn below the minimum income requirement the ?18600

:36:32.:36:35.

figure, you bring a spouse and a child, actually you'd have to earn

:36:36.:36:38.

?22,000 if you wanted to bring a child. Actually, the more dependants

:36:39.:36:43.

you have, the more likely you are to be eligible for tax credits so that

:36:44.:36:47.

could be argued is a burden to the taxpayer? Well, it defines how

:36:48.:36:54.

you're defining a burd. Sometimes I will pay into the system and at

:36:55.:36:57.

other times I will take out. There is no need here to penalise British

:36:58.:37:02.

citizens who for one reason or another might not be earning a very

:37:03.:37:07.

ash Trafalgar Squarily defined income requirement, when at other

:37:08.:37:11.

times they maybe paying more into the system than they take out. They

:37:12.:37:15.

are being penalised because they have married somebody who is from

:37:16.:37:19.

outside the European Economic Area. Thank you for coming on the

:37:20.:37:22.

programme. Clearly, you're together, living in Newcastle and you have a

:37:23.:37:26.

child as well. But I think Leanne, because you don't earn the minimum

:37:27.:37:30.

income requirement, you don't earn enough according to the Government

:37:31.:37:34.

then you AJ can't stay as you're an American citizen? Yeah, that's

:37:35.:37:40.

right. We have been fighting an immigration battle with this for

:37:41.:37:46.

four years now just basically trying to get them to see the human aspect

:37:47.:37:52.

side of things. You know, I don't earn ?18600, that isn't an average

:37:53.:37:57.

salary within my area. You know, and you know, it is a struggle to try

:37:58.:38:03.

and hit that amount of money and for that reason, we have been fighting a

:38:04.:38:08.

visa, you know, fighting a battle with the immigration. Obviously if

:38:09.:38:14.

AJ was to be removed, it would cause some problems for our son who, you

:38:15.:38:18.

know, who would be devastated by that. Of course. AJ, I'm going to

:38:19.:38:23.

ask you to speak up. We've only got one microphone. Sorry about that.

:38:24.:38:27.

What effect is this having on you and your wife and your son? Well,

:38:28.:38:33.

it's like the other guy said, we can't really plan for the future

:38:34.:38:37.

because I'm not allowed to work. I'm not allowed any public funds or

:38:38.:38:46.

anything. If I was to be removed, I'm, I'm our son's main carer

:38:47.:38:53.

through the day while Leanne works. One day I would be taking care of

:38:54.:38:57.

him and fi was removed, deported, he would not have his main carer, not

:38:58.:39:01.

have his dad there, where he sees me every day, you know, and I take care

:39:02.:39:06.

of him every day, it would be like a large detachment issue that could

:39:07.:39:09.

cause psychological problems in the future for him. Have you considered

:39:10.:39:13.

as a family moving to the States? Is that possible? We have, yeah. We've

:39:14.:39:19.

thought about it. Obviously because we do want to remain together as a

:39:20.:39:22.

family so we have thought about that option. But all of AJ's family is

:39:23.:39:29.

actually living within the UK. My family lives here within the UK and

:39:30.:39:34.

Jayden is very close to them also. So by taking him out of the UK to

:39:35.:39:39.

America, it would be upsetting him on that part. You know, I think, the

:39:40.:39:46.

best thing all-round for our family is for AJ to be able to remain here,

:39:47.:39:52.

AJ able to work and Jayden stay this his routine and still have his

:39:53.:39:55.

family network around him and also in America, we haven't got the money

:39:56.:40:00.

to get health insurance for Jayden for example and that's a big thing

:40:01.:40:04.

to us because, you know, we want to make sure that if anything was to

:40:05.:40:08.

happen to Jayden in the future, you know, we could go to the hospital or

:40:09.:40:13.

the doctors and obviously in this country it's a plesing that you can

:40:14.:40:17.

do that. Over there, we would have no home. No healthcare. And you

:40:18.:40:27.

know, no work, no jobs. Good morning to you. How many

:40:28.:40:31.

families have been impacted by the income rules since 2012? Well, our

:40:32.:40:37.

estimates are that about 15,000 children will have been impacted by

:40:38.:40:41.

the rules. In terms of being separated from one or other parent?

:40:42.:40:46.

In terms of being separated. In terms of families, it is hard to

:40:47.:40:51.

say, but it is in the tens of thousands. Let's talk about the

:40:52.:40:55.

legal side of this. What is being argued in the Supreme Court is to do

:40:56.:41:00.

with people's British citizens right to a family life. Explain that for

:41:01.:41:04.

our audience? Right, so everyone in the UK has a right to a private and

:41:05.:41:11.

family life which is put into UK law by the Human Rights Act. And one of

:41:12.:41:18.

the other rights which is very relevant to Leanne's case, it is in

:41:19.:41:21.

British law, any immigration decision has to put as a primary

:41:22.:41:24.

consideration the best interests of any children that would be affected

:41:25.:41:31.

and our research shows that not only are children, you know, incredibly

:41:32.:41:35.

psychologically impacted by having one of their parents leave or just

:41:36.:41:39.

never seeing them, but also that the decision making process that the

:41:40.:41:41.

Home Office goes through does not do that. It does not look specifically

:41:42.:41:45.

at the best interests of the child in the way that they're legally

:41:46.:41:49.

required to do. So those are the two main questions that the Supreme

:41:50.:41:52.

Court is going to be looking at. This has been going on since 2013

:41:53.:41:56.

when the High Court said the Government policy was unlawful. The

:41:57.:41:59.

judge urged the Home Secretary to rewrite the rules. That was

:42:00.:42:04.

overturned at the Court of Appeal and we're waiting for the judgement

:42:05.:42:08.

this morning and what happens today is definitive? Yes, well, the family

:42:09.:42:14.

could, the families could appeal to the European Court of Human Rights

:42:15.:42:16.

on the Human Rights point. Right. OK. But the Supreme Court is

:42:17.:42:22.

definitive in terms of English law. Right, OK. Are you feeling anxious?

:42:23.:42:28.

A little bit, yes. Not just for myself, but for thousands of other

:42:29.:42:34.

families who actually if I'm perfectly honest, there are cases

:42:35.:42:38.

worse than this, where there are children involved. I'm fort not nat

:42:39.:42:46.

that we are able to visit each other. For many families that's not

:42:47.:42:53.

an option and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for them as mup as for me. A

:42:54.:43:00.

viewer says, "My husband and I had to do long-distance between here and

:43:01.:43:04.

New Zealand due to the rule. It was heart wremplging, but worth it now."

:43:05.:43:07.

David says, "Migrants who work and contribute to our economy should not

:43:08.:43:12.

be deported. Some work in essential services." Another viewer says,

:43:13.:43:16.

"This response is tragic. How do you tell a young boy, you're English,

:43:17.:43:20.

but go live somewhere else based on earnings?" Another viewer says,

:43:21.:43:25.

"Keep the ban on spouses. This country is under enough pressure

:43:26.:43:28.

when it comes to schools, NHS and housing." Thank you very much all of

:43:29.:43:33.

you. The Supreme Court ruling is due this morning and we will bring it to

:43:34.:43:34.

you live as soon as it comes in. Tonight's Brit awards is tonight.

:43:35.:44:03.

Last year's awards were labelled an embarrassment by one grime artist.

:44:04.:44:09.

Months later, organisers announced a shake-up with more people from black

:44:10.:44:12.

and ethnic minority backgrounds being put on the judging panel. At

:44:13.:44:19.

tonight's Brits, more than 20 nominations have gone to non-white

:44:20.:44:21.

artists. Let's look at the nominees. # Shut up.

:44:22.:44:44.

# How can you be better than me? # Back up dancer.

:44:45.:44:48.

# I want to chat about back-up dancer. . #

:44:49.:44:55.

# Rachel will get her hair braided. # My mum don't your mum.

:44:56.:45:17.

# Trust no one. # Sing me a song.

:45:18.:45:48.

# Turn me around so I can be everything I was meant to be.

:45:49.:46:00.

Charmaine Hayden who runs an online music show, and Lauren Page,

:46:01.:46:21.

Kano is up for three awards. I'm glad the time has come where grime

:46:22.:46:42.

can be recognised. Why has it taken long? Is it that grime artists

:46:43.:46:48.

aren't signed to big labels so they don't president the music forward?

:46:49.:46:53.

Is it racism? What is it? Grime is a new genre. It has been around for 15

:46:54.:46:59.

years. I think everything takes time to nurture and be out there in the

:47:00.:47:02.

right place at the right time. Very professional platform, all the

:47:03.:47:16.

artists are doing well. The youth, in London, across Britain, the right

:47:17.:47:19.

time to be nominated. Is it mainstream? It is worldwide.

:47:20.:47:34.

Does that change the John wrote? Do you welcome a bigger audience? I

:47:35.:47:41.

feel like the underground is mainstream, still underground in the

:47:42.:47:47.

meantime. Do you reckon? Important to commercialise what is existing,

:47:48.:47:50.

rather than turning it into something already commercial. It is

:47:51.:47:54.

just about progressing the art form, as it is. Let's talk about what

:47:55.:48:03.

happened last year, the contrasts in terms of nominations. You were

:48:04.:48:08.

brought on the judging panel. What did you think about the nominees

:48:09.:48:19.

last year? It is a bit of an oversight. That is being polite? I

:48:20.:48:29.

think the judging panel was a bit outdated. Not as useful as it was

:48:30.:48:35.

now. I have to take my hat off to the chairman, he took on board the

:48:36.:48:41.

comments. The outrage online. What he did, he acted on it. Which is the

:48:42.:48:46.

best thing to do. Acting on it, involving some more youthful people,

:48:47.:48:54.

people from ethnic backgrounds, making the judging panel more even.

:48:55.:49:02.

As a music fan, what did you think of the nominees last year,

:49:03.:49:05.

contrasting with this year? Last year, it highlighted the lack of

:49:06.:49:21.

diversity in the nominees. The very popular group he brought an album or

:49:22.:49:27.

not even nominated. Number two album, fantastic, not even

:49:28.:49:32.

nominated. Looking at the sheer diversity this year, absolutely over

:49:33.:49:38.

the moon to see those acts, they really deserve it. As a pure music

:49:39.:49:45.

fan, is the diversity issue overhyped? Sometimes, there are that

:49:46.:49:54.

many genres in music, people sometimes think it is overhyped,

:49:55.:49:59.

they think we need loads of different genres to fit in. For the

:50:00.:50:03.

BRIT Awards specifically, and others, it is not overhyped, giving

:50:04.:50:07.

people the recognition they deserve. Nice that this year they have

:50:08.:50:15.

finally realised that grime, I don't know how to put it, pop music has

:50:16.:50:21.

always been a big factor of the Brits, and it is nice that grime is

:50:22.:50:24.

just as popular, getting the artists out there. What did you think about

:50:25.:50:32.

the nominees last year? The nominees last year, I would have loved to

:50:33.:50:36.

have seen some of the grime acts involved. It is still good. 48

:50:37.:50:43.

nominations last year, only two went to an artist from an ethnic minority

:50:44.:50:47.

background, in the international categories. You are smiling, like it

:50:48.:50:55.

is unbelievable? Definitely last year, there was an oversight. The

:50:56.:51:00.

main thing is, this year it is being corrected. I'm sure you will help to

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bring things together. It is looking better, looking good. The important

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thing, not just to make it a whole big grime thing. I don't think the

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Brits did too much, they just had enough. Really important for some it

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is not a trophy category, the best crime was not there is not the best

:51:35.:51:43.

rock award, Best pop award. We just want recognition for what we do.

:51:44.:51:51.

We're just as big as all these other categories of music. Do you remember

:51:52.:52:00.

when Joss Stone won best urban act? It was an oversight, yet again.

:52:01.:52:05.

Things have come a long way. You are a judge, what is it you are looking

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for? What we're looking for, you are given an option of nominees for each

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category, you pick the nominees for rich category. I am looking for who

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has had an impact full year. Who has put out the best music. Whatever is

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relative to that category. What are you looking for tonight? When you

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look at Kano, big categories, Best British solo male, Best album of the

:52:47.:52:52.

year. I just take some of them bring it home. That is the main thing. Is

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it easier for new artists, like Stormzy? Easier to win, or make it?

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It may be easier in context. We are in Internet age, it was not like

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that, it was restricted before, you had to get on certain platforms. Now

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it is easier just to be yourself, put out good music. Become as big

:53:22.:53:27.

and successful as you need to be. Great time for grime. Stormzy is

:53:28.:53:35.

here at the right time. With his outburst last year, that has created

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all of this. Allowing people to really take grime seriously.

:53:42.:53:45.

Understanding it is not a small force, it is a force to be reckoned

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with. Why did it have to be taken seriously? It has to be taken

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seriously because it is not a micro niche, it is an important part of

:53:58.:54:03.

culture, people like it. You have to credit the hard work that has been

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put in, by the musicians. Kano doing music for a long time, impacting a

:54:10.:54:16.

lot of people's lives. People like Stormzy, pretty new, doing a lot of

:54:17.:54:25.

work in the DIY manner. The artists, people are loving them, why aren't

:54:26.:54:30.

we recognise the talent? Tell us about the work that goes into it?

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Pirate radio. Trying to get everything captured. A lot of work

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being put in. If he did not get its value in full worth, disappointing

:54:45.:54:47.

to see this is what is going on right now. People appreciate the

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work ethic? So of course they do, they can understand, they can see

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the growth. People my age, 30, started liking this when they were

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15, they can see how far it has come. Even the new grime fans go

:55:13.:55:18.

back and see the whole stuff. They can understand where we have come

:55:19.:55:25.

from. I was nine, ten when I first started hearing the sound. I am 21

:55:26.:55:31.

now. Over ten years. Thank you very much. We will see what happens.

:55:32.:55:38.

Lauren, thank you very much as well. Let's bring you breaking news, from

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the Supreme Court. The ruling on immigration, so that a few moments

:55:45.:55:50.

ago, it looks like the government have won on principle. The law is

:55:51.:55:54.

lawful. They have lost on the detail. I'm reading this for the

:55:55.:56:03.

first time the Supreme Court has said the government? New rules

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preventing people on low incomes bringing husbands and wives to the

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UK could be compatible with human rights laws in principle. The judge

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said the rules, the minimum income requirement, are defective, they do

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not take sufficient account of the welfare of the children involved,

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and different sort of incomes. British citizens can only bring in a

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static that an income of ?18,600 or more. Rising if children are

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involved. The seven judges said it has caused hardship to thousands of

:56:40.:56:45.

couples. If you be compatible with Human Rights Act. He had a

:56:46.:56:54.

legitimate aim that couples play a full part in British life, but it

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fails if it does not take the full interest of children into primary

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consideration. Looks like those rules may have to be amended. We

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will talk to our correspondent live in the next few minutes, bringing

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you the definitive ruling. Time for latest weather.

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We're talking about Storm Doris, bringing nasty weather to the United

:57:27.:57:31.

Kingdom. Looking at the satellite picture, a

:57:32.:57:36.

streak of cloud in the Atlantic. This is where Doris is, nothing

:57:37.:57:42.

particularly exciting in the five miles an hour wind, that the low

:57:43.:57:49.

pressure will go underneath, 150 mile jet stream, a rapid fall in

:57:50.:57:58.

pressure, 24 millibars in 24 hours. Meteorologists referring to this as

:57:59.:58:01.

a weather bomb. It becomes Doris into tomorrow. Severe weather in to

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parts of the United Kingdom, strong winds buffeting parts of North

:58:11.:58:14.

England, North Wales, parts of northern England. Risk of snow in

:58:15.:58:18.

parts of Scotland. Disruptive weather like. Here is the picture

:58:19.:58:24.

through the rest of the day. Gusts reaching 70 miles an hour in the

:58:25.:58:28.

Northern Isles of Scotland. Blustery showers through the north-west.

:58:29.:58:33.

Quite warm in the north-east of Scotland, but the wind easing down.

:58:34.:58:38.

Rain into Northern Ireland in the afternoon. North-west England,

:58:39.:58:42.

pretty wet around greater Manchester and Merseyside. Rain continuing into

:58:43.:58:50.

the north-west of England and Wales. Quite windy day, mild with it.

:58:51.:58:56.

Temperatures around 13 degrees. Overnight, rain pepping up in

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Northern Ireland. First signs of Doris arriving. We will see some

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rapid pressure falls in the system, as it moves in overnight and

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tomorrow morning. That is when we see the weather impact developing.

:59:11.:59:14.

We have already seen in amber warning from the Met office. Gusts

:59:15.:59:19.

of wind likely to reach 80 miles an hour in North Wales, the North of

:59:20.:59:23.

England, up towards Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and the North. These

:59:24.:59:28.

winds likely to cause damage and disruption if you are out and about,

:59:29.:59:33.

stay tuned for the weather forecast. In the Northern edge of a weather

:59:34.:59:38.

system heavy snow in the uplands. 20, 30 centimetres up here,

:59:39.:59:42.

disruptive, potentially snow down to lower elevations for a time. Parts

:59:43.:59:46.

of the central belt. Disruption to power and transport. Thanks to

:59:47.:59:53.

Doris. Disruptive weather. Northern Ireland, heavy rain, localised

:59:54.:59:58.

flooding. Further south, strong gusts of wind, 50, 60 miles an hour

:59:59.:00:02.

from the strong enough to bring down tree branches. Friday looks quieter,

:00:03.:00:09.

sunny spells and many of us, then the next system brings rain back

:00:10.:00:13.

into the north-west of the UK. Temperature wise, between 6-10dC.

:00:14.:00:18.

Looking at the storm tomorrow, storm Doris bringing a combination of

:00:19.:00:25.

severe gales, damaging and disruptive, and nasty snow in high

:00:26.:00:26.

parts of Scotland. Good morning.

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It is 10am. It's Wednesday. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. The Supreme

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Court rules on whether British citizens can bring their spouses to

:00:40.:00:42.

the UK. The Government won a partial victory, but judges say the current

:00:43.:00:45.

rules don't look enough at the welfare of children involved. We'll

:00:46.:00:49.

bring you all the details. We will be finding out how a British man and

:00:50.:00:53.

terror suspect who was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee was allowed

:00:54.:00:57.

it leave the UK and carry out a suicide attack in Iraq.

:00:58.:01:02.

Also children who are victims of violence or sexual crimes are being

:01:03.:01:05.

made to feel like criminals when they report the crimes. That's

:01:06.:01:11.

according to the Victims' Commissioner, we'll speak to her and

:01:12.:01:15.

a teenager who says it was' waste of time reporting what happened to him

:01:16.:01:17.

to the police. Joanna is in the BBC

:01:18.:01:24.

Newsroom with a summary The Supreme Court said that the

:01:25.:01:31.

Government rules restricting the rules of British people to bring

:01:32.:01:36.

foreign spouses into the UK are compatible with Human Rights

:01:37.:01:39.

legislation in principle, but it added that the rules as they stand

:01:40.:01:42.

are defective because they don't make the interests of children

:01:43.:01:45.

affected by them a primary consideration. The judges' also said

:01:46.:01:48.

that alternative sources of income should be taken into consideration.

:01:49.:01:53.

Since 2012, people who are married to a Briton, but are from outside

:01:54.:01:57.

the European Economic Area, that's the EU, plus Iceland, Liechtenstein

:01:58.:02:01.

and Norway have been barred from settling here unless their partner

:02:02.:02:07.

earns more than ?18600 a year. We'll get more from our

:02:08.:02:10.

correspondent at the Supreme Court shortly.

:02:11.:02:13.

An extra ?200 million in emergency humanitarian aid has been promised

:02:14.:02:16.

by the Government to help people facing starvation in

:02:17.:02:18.

The additional funds will go towards providing food,

:02:19.:02:21.

water and emergency health care for more than two million people.

:02:22.:02:24.

Ministers say the international response has been inadequate

:02:25.:02:26.

and are urging other countries to join the effort.

:02:27.:02:31.

Britain's leadership will basically mean that we'll be saving lives,

:02:32.:02:37.

bringing vital assistance to people in desperate need, but also putting

:02:38.:02:40.

the call out to the international community to get them to step up, to

:02:41.:02:45.

galvanise their support so that we can have a strong international

:02:46.:02:49.

response to what quite frankly could be a devastating humanitarian

:02:50.:02:50.

crisis. A convicted murderer is on the run

:02:51.:02:57.

after armed men helped him escape Shaun Walmsley, who is 28,

:02:58.:03:00.

was serving a life sentence for fatally stabbing a rival drug

:03:01.:03:03.

dealer in Liverpool in 2014. He fled from outside

:03:04.:03:06.

Aintree University Hospital as he was getting into a car

:03:07.:03:08.

with prison officers. Officers say he's dangerous and

:03:09.:03:10.

the public should not approach him. It's thought that a British man,

:03:11.:03:14.

who carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq for the so-called

:03:15.:03:17.

Islamic State terrorist group, had previously received compensation

:03:18.:03:19.

from the UK Government after being arrested

:03:20.:03:21.

in Pakistan by US forces The man, whom IS called

:03:22.:03:23.

Abu-Zakariya al-Britani, but who was previously known

:03:24.:03:28.

as Jamal al Harith and before that Ronald Fiddler,

:03:29.:03:31.

detonated a vehicle filled with explosives in a

:03:32.:03:34.

village south of Mosul. In 2001, he was detained

:03:35.:03:35.

in the Guantanamo Bay detention centre as a terrorism suspect,

:03:36.:03:38.

but was freed in 2004 after lobbying Lloyds Banking Group has

:03:39.:03:41.

reported its highest annual profit in a decade,

:03:42.:03:51.

helped by a reduction in payment protection

:03:52.:03:53.

insurance, PPI, provisions. Pre-tax profits increased

:03:54.:03:56.

to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen The UK Government's stake in Lloyds

:03:57.:03:59.

has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank

:04:00.:04:05.

to full private ownership this year. A bull has been on the case in New

:04:06.:04:27.

York, in Queen's. It gave officers the slip before it was tranquillized

:04:28.:04:33.

and captured in a back gardenment an animal sanctuary offered to re-home

:04:34.:04:37.

the bull, but sadly it died on the way on its way to the centre.

:04:38.:04:45.

Let's go live to the Supreme Court, we have had the ruling that the

:04:46.:04:49.

minimum income requirement, that threshold of ?18600, according to

:04:50.:04:53.

the Supreme Court judges' is compatible with Human Rights ledge

:04:54.:04:56.

slags, but the rules don't take into account children enough. Fill us in

:04:57.:05:05.

Dominic? We're in legal PhD territory. It is a complicated

:05:06.:05:09.

ruling. In short, the claimants, the couples who said they were divided

:05:10.:05:13.

by this controversial ruling since 2012, in technical legal terms they

:05:14.:05:17.

have won their appeal, but broadly speaking from the Supreme Court said

:05:18.:05:21.

is that the Home Office is objective of using a minimum income system to

:05:22.:05:25.

control who comes into the UK is lawful. It does stand the test of

:05:26.:05:31.

time and they haven't suggested it should be knocked out by a fresh, a

:05:32.:05:36.

re-think by Parliament. Now, in short, what they've said is the

:05:37.:05:41.

problem with it is how this applies to children. They have said that

:05:42.:05:45.

immigration officers aren't effectively given any guidance about

:05:46.:05:49.

how they should take into account the rights of children. Secondly, a

:05:50.:05:54.

broader question about how you assess what a couple's income S let

:05:55.:05:57.

me go back a step and explain what the rule is. In essence a couple who

:05:58.:06:02.

want to settle in the UK where one partner is born outside of Europe

:06:03.:06:06.

and the other is a British citizen or a settled refugee, the partner

:06:07.:06:11.

here in the UK, they have to have a minimum income of ?18600, that rises

:06:12.:06:16.

if they have children. And that income is effectively the

:06:17.:06:19.

sponsorship of the partner they want to bring in. Irrespective of how

:06:20.:06:24.

much the other partner earnings. Partner earns. Thousands of

:06:25.:06:29.

claimants said it is a jolly unfair system, but the Supreme Court said

:06:30.:06:33.

it is not. It is legitimate even it does have a harsh effect. This is

:06:34.:06:41.

really complicated. I've got Nicola Burgess who has been involved with

:06:42.:06:44.

this case from the beginning. Nicola, is this a win, a loss or a

:06:45.:06:50.

score draw? Well, we consider it to be a win. We're delighted by the

:06:51.:06:54.

judgement. Thousands of people have been affected by this unfair rule

:06:55.:06:57.

and that includes British citizens and British children. JCWI have been

:06:58.:07:04.

campaigning against the rules since its inception almost five years ago.

:07:05.:07:07.

We've compiled a report which was referred to in the judgement which

:07:08.:07:11.

documented the impact on children who have been separated from a

:07:12.:07:16.

parent. And that detailed the emotional and psychological harm

:07:17.:07:19.

that's been caused by this unfair and unflexible rule. A rule that 41%

:07:20.:07:24.

of the UK's population couldn't satisfy. The court acknowledged that

:07:25.:07:28.

it caused significant hardship to many people and sadly will continue

:07:29.:07:33.

to do so. However, what's important is the judges' findings. That how

:07:34.:07:37.

has to be implemented by the Government. So moving forward, they

:07:38.:07:41.

do have to take into account the best interests of children, that has

:07:42.:07:44.

to be the post-roomry attention. But the whole thing could end up with no

:07:45.:07:49.

real change to many families. What the court has said the fact is in

:07:50.:07:54.

their words it does cause hardship to many families, but it is not

:07:55.:07:57.

incompatible with Human Rights law, and what they have said is go back,

:07:58.:08:01.

tweak the rules and in many cases, you're going to have thousands, or

:08:02.:08:04.

potentially of thousands of families, you tell me, who still

:08:05.:08:07.

won't come up above the minimum income threshold that the Home

:08:08.:08:12.

Office has set. In essence that feels like it's a Government

:08:13.:08:17.

victory? No, I would disagree. There is a benefit to thousands of

:08:18.:08:21.

families including those with children. The Government must

:08:22.:08:25.

implement a wider balance. It has to be a fair balance between the rights

:08:26.:08:27.

of individuals and the public interest. Am I right in saying some

:08:28.:08:31.

of the families that have been affected have been in bizarre

:08:32.:08:35.

circumstances so to speak where you have had a partner outside the UK

:08:36.:08:38.

who is earning more than the partner inside the UK? Exactly. The unfair

:08:39.:08:42.

position before today's judgement was that the future earn power could

:08:43.:08:47.

not be taken into account. The court has now opened the door for the

:08:48.:08:51.

Government to revisit that, so alternative sources of income can be

:08:52.:08:54.

taken into account. There is a long way to go on the story. Nicola,

:08:55.:08:57.

thank you very much. What will happen now is the Home Office will

:08:58.:09:01.

have to consider its response and how it's going to tweak the rules to

:09:02.:09:04.

comply with what the Supreme Court has said. In essence that will mean

:09:05.:09:09.

probably a lot of these cases will end back up in immigration tribunals

:09:10.:09:14.

and back in the courts whilst they try and thrash out whether or not

:09:15.:09:18.

couples can settle legally here in the UK. Thank you very much,

:09:19.:09:20.

Dominic. The former England cricketer

:09:21.:09:24.

Ryan Sidebottom will retire at the end of next season after 20

:09:25.:09:28.

years of first class cricket. He's taken over 1,000 wickets,

:09:29.:09:32.

won five county championships, He joins me now

:09:33.:09:34.

from our Leeds studio. Ryan, it is so good to have you with

:09:35.:09:47.

us. Now, I know you've got a few matches to go. You've got a few

:09:48.:09:50.

matches to play, but what memories... Just a few. What

:09:51.:09:54.

memories will you take away from the sport? Lots of fond memories. I have

:09:55.:09:57.

been very fortunate throughout my career to play 20 years, to be able

:09:58.:10:04.

to hang my boots up and retire on my terms, obviously, I'm very happy and

:10:05.:10:09.

very proud, but I think just lots of great memories, winning trophies,

:10:10.:10:13.

representing my country and my county, playing for Nottinghamshire

:10:14.:10:17.

also, and making, you know, making numerous amounts of friends and

:10:18.:10:23.

playing against and with my heroes. Those are the stand-out memories.

:10:24.:10:28.

Very, lucky and very fortunate. Bowling, it not easy on the body,

:10:29.:10:32.

but your numbers suggest that you're still competing as much as you ever

:10:33.:10:36.

did. How can you kept your body in shape? A little bit more rest. A

:10:37.:10:43.

very understanding coach. With me being a senior bowler I suppose he

:10:44.:10:48.

looks at me and I get get to use the stripes on my sleeve and get a few

:10:49.:10:53.

extra days off. Ice baths, I do a lot of yoga. I try and keep myself

:10:54.:10:58.

as fit and as healthy as possible. Everyone is so young. I think

:10:59.:11:02.

they're all out of nappies! They keep me young and fresh and young at

:11:03.:11:06.

heart. I'm sure you witnessed the game

:11:07.:11:11.

change a lot during your career and the England side probably changed a

:11:12.:11:14.

lot during your time and now we have Joe Root who is the new captain to

:11:15.:11:18.

lead the team forward, do you think he's the right man for the job? Most

:11:19.:11:22.

definitely. Look, Joe Root is a great player. He has achieved so

:11:23.:11:28.

much in a short space of time. This England team are very exciting.

:11:29.:11:32.

They're still very youthful and they're learning every day. They're

:11:33.:11:36.

getting better and better and very strong as a team and as a unit and I

:11:37.:11:40.

think Joe inherited a very good side. I think under Joe it will

:11:41.:11:44.

bring more of an exciting brand of cricket and the way he plays. He's

:11:45.:11:49.

very mature and knows the game inside out and very knowledgeable so

:11:50.:11:52.

I'm really looking forward too Joe's tenure as captain. I think it is

:11:53.:11:56.

exciting times ahead for England. Now, I hear once you retire, you

:11:57.:12:00.

might go into property development which reminds me of another

:12:01.:12:05.

ex-sportsman, Dion Dublin, could we see you popping up on Homes Under

:12:06.:12:12.

The Hammer? I might walk around with Dion and hold his hand for a few

:12:13.:12:17.

episodes. I will do something different. I'm very excited about,

:12:18.:12:22.

you know, getting a sledgehammer, you know, develop property,

:12:23.:12:27.

something I really love. I like the textures and furnishings and stuff

:12:28.:12:30.

like that. I love walking around shops and looking at things and

:12:31.:12:33.

trying to bring colour to the houses. So I'm, that's something

:12:34.:12:37.

away from the game. It is another love of mine and I suppose when I

:12:38.:12:41.

finish I will look back with fondness, but it is another story,

:12:42.:12:45.

another chapter. Ryan, thank you for talking to us. That's all the sport

:12:46.:12:49.

for now, Victoria. Cheers Jess, cheers, Ryan. Thank you

:12:50.:12:51.

for coming on the programme. Let's get more on the Supreme Court

:12:52.:13:01.

ruling on spouse visas. Judges ruled the income threshold is fair, but

:13:02.:13:06.

ministers must do more to consider the children.

:13:07.:13:18.

Sophie Barrett-Brown is here. She lobbied to change the legislation on

:13:19.:13:23.

the minimum income requirement. It looks like you have failed. How do

:13:24.:13:29.

you respond? Well, it is hugely it is appointing for all the families

:13:30.:13:32.

involved and for everyone involved in the lobbying in the case, but

:13:33.:13:36.

there are some hopeful elements. We need to look at the judgement in

:13:37.:13:42.

detail. But there is acknowledgement that it is inadequate in how it

:13:43.:13:45.

deals with the rights of children and we need to see changes happening

:13:46.:13:49.

so the rules don't operate in a Draconian way. The threshold stays?

:13:50.:13:56.

It stays, but in relation how they can deal with exceptionality, this

:13:57.:13:59.

is where there could be scope. We have got to look at the judgement in

:14:00.:14:03.

detail, but there is no doubt that it doesn't take adequate account of

:14:04.:14:06.

the interests of the child and their obligations to take account of the

:14:07.:14:11.

factors. The way they deal with those issues is inadequate.

:14:12.:14:23.

Wayne, what's your reaction? The Home Office

:14:24.:14:39.

said to my wife The interests of the child has to be one of the primary

:14:40.:14:46.

considerations which it has to be. The Home Office ignored that

:14:47.:14:48.

requirement. If there is this should be refusing

:14:49.:15:24.

us. Not entirely a loss, children are the real losers. Single-parent

:15:25.:15:35.

families. The main aim is that because family life should not be

:15:36.:15:40.

created at the taxpayers' expense. The government have mentioned that

:15:41.:15:47.

aim. When spouses are here, there is an attachment they are not allowed

:15:48.:15:51.

public funds. They have to pay in NHS surcharge, not taking out of the

:15:52.:15:57.

NHS, paying towards the NHS anyway every time we apply for a Visa.

:15:58.:16:05.

Every time parents come, there are children, they should be entitled to

:16:06.:16:11.

two parents. Established point of EU law, child is entitled to two

:16:12.:16:19.

parents in direct contact. Wayne circumnavigated the legislation.

:16:20.:16:29.

There is a route affecting British citizen so they are treated like an

:16:30.:16:33.

EU citizen. EU citizens do not have to meet the

:16:34.:16:39.

minimum threshold. They can live elsewhere in the EU, and return to

:16:40.:16:46.

the UK. But those rules have become increasingly prospective. Many would

:16:47.:16:53.

argue is unlawful under EU law. Since November 20 16, one cannot use

:16:54.:16:58.

that role if it is for the purpose of circumventing the Jewish

:16:59.:17:01.

immigration rules. It may become much more difficult. You effectively

:17:02.:17:08.

moved to Ireland, which is an EU member, with your wife, lived there

:17:09.:17:11.

for three months, worked there for three months, then came back to

:17:12.:17:17.

Britain. We moved to Ireland. I have lived and worked in the EU before,

:17:18.:17:22.

lived in Finland in 2004, working for a business. I have already lived

:17:23.:17:29.

in the EU. I should have been treated as an EU citizen anyway. I

:17:30.:17:36.

was trading across the EU. It helps your wife, originally from

:17:37.:17:44.

Indonesia. Final thought. The Home Office will have to tweak the rules.

:17:45.:17:48.

What will it mean for those waiting to find out whether the spouse could

:17:49.:17:55.

not? More delay and anxiety. Don't see this being the end of the

:17:56.:17:59.

matter, the lobbying will continue. It is not about the minimum income,

:18:00.:18:04.

it is about how the rule is applied. The evidence required, making it an

:18:05.:18:08.

extraordinary hurdle to overcome. You cannot combine incomes, you

:18:09.:18:11.

cannot count the income of the spouse coming. These are features

:18:12.:18:15.

where we can seek to have some changes made. News coming into us.

:18:16.:18:26.

The BBC announcing it is to create a new channel for Scotland, part of

:18:27.:18:32.

plan on seeing the biggest single investment in the Corporation north

:18:33.:18:36.

of the border for 20 years. A new TV channel for Scotland, which would

:18:37.:18:40.

see the biggest single investment in the corporation in Scotland for more

:18:41.:18:41.

than two decades. Twenty years on from her tragic

:18:42.:18:45.

death, a new exhibition is being opened in London

:18:46.:18:47.

to celebrate the life of Princess Diana, and some

:18:48.:18:49.

of her trend-setting fashions. We'll get a sneak peek of the show

:18:50.:18:52.

before it opens on Friday. How was a British man,

:18:53.:18:58.

who was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee, allowed to leave the UK

:18:59.:19:01.

and carry out a suicide attack for the so called

:19:02.:19:06.

Islamic State group? He's from Manchester and is also

:19:07.:19:09.

known as Abu-Zakariya al-Britani He is believed to have carried

:19:10.:19:16.

out a suicide bombing This final photograph shows him

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grinning, reportedly on his way Fiddler was born in Manchester

:19:23.:19:30.

in 1966 to parents of Jamaican origin It's thought he converted

:19:31.:19:34.

to Islam in the 1990s. He worked as a web designer before

:19:35.:19:40.

he travelled to Pakistan for he what he claimed

:19:41.:19:44.

was a religious holiday, shortly He was arrested in Pakistan

:19:45.:19:46.

and transferred to Fiddler was held there for two years

:19:47.:19:52.

before being repatriated to Britain in 2004 and released without charge

:19:53.:20:01.

- reportedly winning compensation Ten years later, in April 2014,

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Ronald fiddler travelled to Turkey and then to Syria to join

:20:05.:20:21.

the so called Islamic State His wife told the Daily Mirror

:20:22.:20:23.

newspaper that she and their five children went to Syria

:20:24.:20:28.

try to persuade him to come back, but failed, and they ended up having

:20:29.:20:33.

to flee for their lives With me is Arthur Snell who was head

:20:34.:20:35.

of the Prevent programme - the initiative aimed at preventing

:20:36.:20:41.

violent extremism - he worked at the foreign

:20:42.:20:46.

office from 2008-2011 and in Central London,

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we're joined by Lord Carlile, former independent reviewer

:20:52.:20:56.

of terrorism legislation How was this man able to leave the

:20:57.:21:09.

country? A very good question, this is a high-profile individual,

:21:10.:21:18.

everybody knew about him, when he came back from Grant and obey there

:21:19.:21:21.

was a lot of media coverage. There is a gap in the story, the

:21:22.:21:24.

authorities lost track of him, at the point he decided to go to Syria,

:21:25.:21:30.

nobody stopped in doing that. There are number of British citizens,

:21:31.:21:34.

residents, released from Guantanamo Bay. When they were back in the

:21:35.:21:42.

country, where they covertly monitored by security services?

:21:43.:21:46.

Those details are not released. Intelligence services and police

:21:47.:21:51.

have a duty to keep tabs on people who could be a threat to the public

:21:52.:21:57.

in one way or another. IS did not exist when he returned from

:21:58.:22:02.

Guantanamo Bay. The organisation before it was Al-Qaeda, it involves,

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morphed. He could have been radicalised in the last three, four

:22:09.:22:14.

years. It is open to question. Looking back is to be. Ambiguous

:22:15.:22:18.

someone would take a holiday after the 9/11 attacks in Pakistan. A

:22:19.:22:26.

religious holiday. I am not in position to judge whether that is

:22:27.:22:28.

correct. There is certainly ambiguity. The US and Nancy had

:22:29.:22:37.

senior links to Al-Qaeda members. That has not been verified, could be

:22:38.:22:41.

possible. If there was evidence, he could have been put on trial after

:22:42.:22:46.

Guantanamo Bay? That has been one of the problems. The UK decided it did

:22:47.:22:53.

not agree with the Guantanamo Bay system. To get the standard of legal

:22:54.:23:00.

evidence to win the trial is much harder, than the intelligence

:23:01.:23:02.

information you would not want to reveal in open court. Let's bring in

:23:03.:23:08.

Lord Carlile, former independent reviewer of terrorism, and

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crossbench peer. Some British taxpayers will feel that he was paid

:23:15.:23:22.

over ?1 million in compensation for alleged British complicity in

:23:23.:23:26.

torture at Guantanamo Bay. Was that fair? First of all, I don't know. I

:23:27.:23:35.

don't believe anybody who knows something about the case knows how

:23:36.:23:41.

much he was paid. That was in the media. He was paid a substantial

:23:42.:23:46.

amount of money. He tried to bring in action in the United States, on

:23:47.:23:49.

national security grounds he was not able to make any progress, or

:23:50.:23:55.

maintain damages. In the United Kingdom, the rules of disclosure

:23:56.:24:00.

from the defendant, the British government, and the claimant, are

:24:01.:24:05.

different. National security material would have had to been

:24:06.:24:11.

disclosed, according including to him, if the case was to go further.

:24:12.:24:16.

Quite rightly, the government decided it was not going to disclose

:24:17.:24:19.

such material either to him or anyone else in a similar position.

:24:20.:24:24.

It did mean that the only alternative was to pay some money.

:24:25.:24:28.

That is why the money was paid, and we have to examine whether we can

:24:29.:24:35.

improve that system to make it more like the United States physicians so

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we are not face of the situation again. Ronald Fiddler could spend

:24:39.:24:43.

that money on anything he wanted to, including giving it to IS. He could,

:24:44.:24:50.

once it is his money, he could spend it, subject to him spending it

:24:51.:24:55.

lawfully. If he spends it unlawfully, the relevant control

:24:56.:24:59.

authorities would have been able to detect that. It looks as if he went

:25:00.:25:05.

quiet for a considerable period. How surprised are you that he was able

:25:06.:25:11.

to leave Britain, to travel to Syria, via Turkey? I am surprised he

:25:12.:25:20.

was able to leave Britain. It shows that the lists of people, the red

:25:21.:25:26.

flagging people, who have terrorist connections, is not as robust as it

:25:27.:25:32.

should be. It has worked, generally speaking. This man slipped through

:25:33.:25:36.

the net. On the other side of the coin, one has to be thankful he was

:25:37.:25:41.

not going to be able to carry terrorist acts in the United

:25:42.:25:44.

Kingdom, because it is very difficult to do that. At the time,

:25:45.:25:49.

the then Home Secretary, Labour's David Blunkett, said those released

:25:50.:25:56.

from Guantanamo Bay, British citizens, released early in the last

:25:57.:26:02.

decade, were not a security risk. He may not have been a security risk

:26:03.:26:06.

event for me could have been radicalised in recent years. You as

:26:07.:26:11.

an independent reviewer of terrorist legislation would have expected him

:26:12.:26:14.

to be monitored by security services? I would have expected him

:26:15.:26:20.

to be monitored on his return. What David Blunkett said is what he

:26:21.:26:26.

believes, based on the advice he received at the time. A lot has

:26:27.:26:30.

happened since Ronald Fiddler returned to the United Kingdom. What

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one would expect is for the police and other agencies to keep an eye on

:26:36.:26:39.

him, until such time as they thought he presented no danger. It looks as

:26:40.:26:44.

if he laid low for a considerable period, possibly because he

:26:45.:26:48.

recovered a lot of compensation, and was quietly working his way through

:26:49.:26:53.

it. Reactivating his radical instincts and tendencies, leaving

:26:54.:27:00.

the country as he did. We cannot possibly expect realistically for

:27:01.:27:05.

everybody who returns to be followed for every minute of their time. We

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cannot incarcerate them unless they have committed during all offences,

:27:10.:27:15.

which have to be proved to a high criminal standard in front of a

:27:16.:27:25.

British jury. Is there some sort of lesson here to the authorities in

:27:26.:27:30.

this country for so getting the evidence is a really good idea,

:27:31.:27:34.

because you can put it in front of a jury? Clearly, as Lord Carlile has

:27:35.:27:41.

said, lots of people have been prevented from travelling to Syria.

:27:42.:27:47.

This case is clearly a failure. A big challenge on the question of

:27:48.:27:53.

evidence. The standard of evidence in criminal court is very high, the

:27:54.:27:56.

way it should be. People do not want to live in a police state where

:27:57.:28:01.

everyone is followed around. Equally in some cases, the any material you

:28:02.:28:05.

have that demonstrates what people abruptly comes from intelligence

:28:06.:28:07.

which cannot be revealed in this context. Thank you very much.

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This e-mail from Rebecca, who wants to share experience of the UK's

:28:16.:28:24.

immigration policy. In light of that ruling from the Supreme Court in the

:28:25.:28:32.

last 24 hours. My husband, from New Zealand and I returned to the UK

:28:33.:28:36.

from Germany. My husband had a job paying ?70,000, and I was

:28:37.:28:41.

self-employed, 30 weeks pregnant. I did not meet the requirements for

:28:42.:28:47.

the threshold, we were only able to settle back into the UK through be

:28:48.:28:54.

used loophole. -- through the E used loophole. This directive does not

:28:55.:29:12.

favour a woman, possibly one planning on having children. It is

:29:13.:29:14.

incompatible with a woman's reality. I've never heard of a woman having a

:29:15.:29:20.

pay rise when having a child. We now live in Madrid, we can live here

:29:21.:29:25.

without issue. I feel completely unwelcome in my home country. The

:29:26.:29:31.

Home Office needs to get back to basics, recognising the hardship it

:29:32.:29:37.

causes, and take into account the joint income into account.

:29:38.:29:41.

Ever since her first public appearance in the 1980s,

:29:42.:29:43.

Princess Diana captivated the world's attention as a princess,

:29:44.:29:45.

Twenty years after her tragic death, there's a new exhibition opening

:29:46.:29:49.

in London to celebrate her life and her trend-setting fashions.

:29:50.:29:52.

Today we're taking a sneak peek at the show before

:29:53.:29:54.

Our reporter Kathryn Stanczyszyn is at Kensington Palace for us,

:29:55.:30:09.

This special exhibition is marking 20 years since the death of the

:30:10.:30:16.

Princess of Wales and it is doing it through fashion, marking from when

:30:17.:30:21.

she was a young debutant, a teenager into 1979 up to her death in 1997

:30:22.:30:26.

and it features some stunning outfits. Outfits like this one

:30:27.:30:34.

behind me. She was photographed in this in 1990 at Leicester Square at

:30:35.:30:39.

an official visit. Just the detail on there, beautiful dresses there,

:30:40.:30:44.

that span all the way through five rooms of these dresses. She was one

:30:45.:30:47.

of the most photographed women in the world. Long before social media

:30:48.:30:53.

and instant photographs, but people scrutinised her completely, she was,

:30:54.:30:57.

you know, very much watched and her journey through her life was marked

:30:58.:31:02.

through some of her fashion choices. Some of the very famous dresses are,

:31:03.:31:07.

you know, amongst the ones that you remembered from your childhood. This

:31:08.:31:12.

one for instance, she wore to go to the White House and she danced with

:31:13.:31:17.

John Travolta, a moment that's iconic. I'm here with the curator of

:31:18.:31:25.

this exhibition. There has been a huge amount of interest in this?

:31:26.:31:32.

Yes, 2017 marks the 20th anniversary of the death of the Princess of

:31:33.:31:37.

Wales. We receive so many visitors here because it was her former home.

:31:38.:31:42.

We wanted to celebrate her life with an exhibition. She didn't like to be

:31:43.:31:46.

known as a clothes horse actually, but she did understand the language

:31:47.:31:50.

of fashion very well and used it do the job at hand and certainly in her

:31:51.:31:56.

role as princess and ambassador for British fashion and for Britain, we

:31:57.:32:02.

see some of her most Regal gowns. Staff say the phones have been

:32:03.:32:06.

ringing off the hook. Tell us more about this dress. This is one that

:32:07.:32:11.

people will remember? This is a highlight of the exhibition. People

:32:12.:32:15.

think they know it from photographs, but photographs don't do it justice.

:32:16.:32:19.

To see it in the flesh, you understand what a masterclass in

:32:20.:32:28.

design. It has this velvet bodice which should look chunky, but

:32:29.:32:31.

doesn't. It is a classical dress, but it was north nat she was wearing

:32:32.:32:36.

it to the White House in 1985, she didn't know she was going to be

:32:37.:32:40.

dancing with John Travolta. It took a while for him to pluck up the

:32:41.:32:45.

courage to ask her, but they danced for half an hour, the skirt really

:32:46.:32:49.

twirls up as she were spinning around the dance floor. I know that

:32:50.:32:54.

the designer said it felt like a moment that she did become a very

:32:55.:32:57.

elegant woman because before that, she had worn a lot of more girlish

:32:58.:33:03.

outfits? I think that's right. I think in the mid-80s you see a real

:33:04.:33:10.

step change as she moves away from the cluttered, frilly dresses and

:33:11.:33:16.

develops a sophisticated style of dressing. This next dress, I've got

:33:17.:33:24.

to move on to this. This is known as the Elvis dress? It wasn't designed

:33:25.:33:33.

to resemble one of Elvis' jumpsuits. Catherine Walker designed if for an

:33:34.:33:38.

official visit to Hong Kong in 1989. I mean it is in that Royal tradition

:33:39.:33:42.

of dress making that Catherine Walker was so good at. But Diana

:33:43.:33:49.

looked ray dent and Walker said she wanted Diana to feel great in what

:33:50.:33:52.

she was wearing. This dress is covered in 20,000 pearls and the

:33:53.:33:59.

weight of it is really incredible. But Diana looked fantastically

:34:00.:34:04.

radiant in it. Some of her favourite designers, 11 designers represented

:34:05.:34:07.

here throughout the five rooms. It opens at 10am on Friday morning and

:34:08.:34:11.

it will be here for the next two years. Cheers, Catherine. Thank you

:34:12.:34:13.

very much. Still to come, are victims of crime

:34:14.:34:18.

being made to look like criminals? That's the view of the victim's

:34:19.:34:21.

commissioner Baroness Newlove. We'll be speaking to her

:34:22.:34:23.

on this programme shortly. And we'll find out more about the UK

:34:24.:34:27.

Government's promise to help half a million children in South Sudan

:34:28.:34:31.

and Somalia, who are at risk Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom

:34:32.:34:33.

with a summary of today's news. In the last hour,

:34:34.:34:45.

the Supreme Court has said that government rules restricting

:34:46.:34:51.

the right of British people to bring foreign spouses into the UK

:34:52.:34:54.

are compatible with human rights But it added that the rules

:34:55.:34:56.

as they stand are defective because they don't make

:34:57.:35:00.

the interests of children affected The judges ruled that the rules as

:35:01.:35:07.

they stand are defective and need to be changed because they don't take

:35:08.:35:10.

enough account of the welfare of children affected by them and don't

:35:11.:35:15.

take all sources of earnings into consideration when calculating

:35:16.:35:17.

income. Despite the ruling in favour of the Government, campaign, are

:35:18.:35:19.

hailing it as a victory. Thousands of people have been

:35:20.:35:30.

affected by this unfair rule. JCWR have been campaigning against the

:35:31.:35:33.

rules since its inception almost five years ago. We've compiled a

:35:34.:35:38.

report which was referred to in the judgement which documented the

:35:39.:35:41.

impact on children who have been separated from a parent and that

:35:42.:35:45.

detailed the emotional and psychological harm that's been

:35:46.:35:48.

caused by this unfair and unflexible rule. A rule that 41% of the UK's

:35:49.:35:53.

population couldn't even satisfy. The court also acknowledged that it

:35:54.:35:57.

has caused significant hardship to many people and sadly will continue

:35:58.:36:02.

to do so. However, what's important is the judges' findings. That now

:36:03.:36:06.

has to be implemented by the Government. So moving forward, they

:36:07.:36:10.

do have to take into account the best interests of children. That has

:36:11.:36:11.

to be the primary attention. An extra ?200 million in emergency

:36:12.:36:17.

humanitarian aid has been promised by the Government to help people

:36:18.:36:19.

facing starvation in The additional funds will go

:36:20.:36:22.

towards providing food, water and emergency healthcare

:36:23.:36:25.

for more than two million people. Ministers say the international

:36:26.:36:27.

response has been inadequate and are urging other countries

:36:28.:36:29.

to join the effort. A convicted murderer is on the run

:36:30.:36:33.

after armed men helped him escape Shaun Walmsley, who is 28,

:36:34.:36:36.

was serving a life sentence for fatally stabbing a rival drug

:36:37.:36:42.

dealer in Liverpool in 2014. He fled from outside

:36:43.:36:45.

Aintree University Hospital as he was getting into a car

:36:46.:36:48.

with prison officers. Officers say he's dangerous and

:36:49.:36:50.

the public should not approach him. Lloyds Banking Group has

:36:51.:36:59.

reported its highest annual profit in a decade,

:37:00.:37:00.

helped by a reduction in payment protection

:37:01.:37:02.

insurance, PPI, provisions. Pre-tax profits increased

:37:03.:37:04.

to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen The UK Government's stake in Lloyds

:37:05.:37:06.

has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank

:37:07.:37:11.

to full private ownership this year. Join me for BBC

:37:12.:37:22.

Newsroom live at 11am. Manchester City manager

:37:23.:37:28.

Pep Guardiola says his side must score in the return leg

:37:29.:37:40.

of their Champions League City came from behind twice

:37:41.:37:43.

to beat the French league leaders 5-3 last night,

:37:44.:37:46.

but says they won't progress unless they counter

:37:47.:37:48.

Monaco's attacking tactics. Meanwhile on the other side

:37:49.:37:50.

of Manchester, United boss Jose Mourinho, says he can't

:37:51.:37:56.

guarantee record goal scorer Wayne Rooney will be

:37:57.:37:58.

at the club next season. The striker has been linked with

:37:59.:38:00.

a move to the Chinese Super League. Wing George North has recovered

:38:01.:38:04.

from a bruised thigh to start for Wales in Saturday's Six Nations

:38:05.:38:06.

match against Scotland Ryan Sidebottom will end his 20-year

:38:07.:38:09.

professional cricket career The Yorkshire fast bowler has won

:38:10.:38:13.

the County Championship five times, and won the T20 World Cup

:38:14.:38:24.

with England in 2010. The Director-General of the BBC has

:38:25.:38:31.

announced that a new TV Channel is to created in Scotland to begin

:38:32.:38:33.

broadcasting in autumn 2018. The channel will have a budget

:38:34.:38:36.

of ?30 million, equivalent The plans for the channel include

:38:37.:38:39.

a Scottish news hour at 9pm. Let's get more from our

:38:40.:38:44.

Scotland Correspondent Lorna Gordon. We can also speak to

:38:45.:38:47.

SNP MP John Nicolson, he sits on the Culture,

:38:48.:38:49.

Media and Sport select committee and is a former Scottish

:38:50.:38:51.

television presenter. Right, Lorna, give us the details.

:38:52.:39:01.

This news has taken everybody by surprise. It has been very, a very

:39:02.:39:07.

well kept secret. There will be a new channel on the digital spectrum

:39:08.:39:11.

that will broadcast Scottish content. It'll have a budget of

:39:12.:39:15.

about ?30 million a year, that's equivalent to BBC Four. It will run

:39:16.:39:22.

from 7pm to midnight. They aim to launch it in August 2018. It will be

:39:23.:39:27.

a mixture of drama and entertainment, documentaries, and it

:39:28.:39:30.

will also have an integrated news hour that will run at 9pm. Everybody

:39:31.:39:36.

is still digesting the news, but certainly, on social media, it is so

:39:37.:39:40.

far at least getting a very warm reception.

:39:41.:39:46.

OK. You probably won't know this yet, Lorna l it have a different

:39:47.:39:51.

drama and entertainment who what's going on on BBC One or BBC Two? My

:39:52.:39:57.

understanding is that BBC One will stay the same as and what will

:39:58.:40:02.

happen se BBC Scotland opts that currently happen on BBC Two will

:40:03.:40:07.

switch to this new channel, but there will be new original content

:40:08.:40:13.

as well, if you look at that ?30 million budget, around ?19 million

:40:14.:40:18.

is new investment, ?11 million has been used to create programming here

:40:19.:40:22.

in Scotland and of course, there is a job knock-on as well. We're

:40:23.:40:26.

talking about 80 new jobs in the newsroom up here in Scotland. People

:40:27.:40:29.

are welcoming that. Saying it will be a good chance to develop talent

:40:30.:40:33.

here in Scotland and retain talent here in Scotland and of course,

:40:34.:40:40.

there will be a number of other jobs elsewhere in this building here in

:40:41.:40:44.

Glasgow to do with the five hours of programming that with start, we

:40:45.:40:47.

think, in August 2018. John Nicholson, how do you react to this,

:40:48.:40:51.

good morning? Good morning. Well I'm delighted whenever I hear there are

:40:52.:40:55.

going to be new jobs, that's an excellent thing and we welcome the

:40:56.:40:58.

new channel. We welcome the extra vement and of course, we welcome the

:40:59.:41:03.

extra ?1 million for the Gaelic language, but what Lorna didn't

:41:04.:41:06.

mention there was hand and glove with this announcement is another

:41:07.:41:10.

announcement which is that the BBC is going to kill off the prospects

:41:11.:41:16.

of a separate Scotch 6pm news on BBC One which the BBC has been piloting

:41:17.:41:21.

over the last year and I'm disappointed about that because, of

:41:22.:41:25.

course, it's great to have a separate Scottish nine o'clock news,

:41:26.:41:31.

but I think it is very important to have a Six O'Clock News on BBC One.

:41:32.:41:36.

Why? Well, you just have to watch the running order of the main BBC

:41:37.:41:41.

News and quite often the they will lead on an English story and there

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will be an English trap story... But you'll get Scottish news at 9pm Let

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me finish the question you asked me. So the main Six O'Clock News coming

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from London will have three English stories in its running order and

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that's great for the people of England, but it is not good for the

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people of Scotland on their main channel. They want to see a mix of

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national, international, and UK news based on normal news merit.

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Do you think this creation of a channel then is a sop because there

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isn't going to be a Scottish Six O'Clock News on BBC One? Well, I

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think obviously there will be some people who say that. I think it's

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great that there is a new channel and of course, what this has proved

:42:25.:42:29.

is that all those people who criticise BBC Scotland journalism,

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who said that it was technically impossible for them to put together

:42:33.:42:37.

an hour long news programme have been proved to be entirely wrong.

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This shows that BBC Scotland can do this. It has got the journalistic

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quality to deliver this product. I just think it should be on BBC One.

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What sort of awed ynss do you imagine there would be, Mr

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Nicholson, between 7pm and midnight, BBC Scotland channel? Well, there is

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the rub. Inevitably a new channel always has difficulty launching and

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attracting viewers. We'll have to monitor this. I just heard this

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announcement like you in the last half an hour. So, I'm not quite sure

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what audience figures the BBC anticipates, but obviously the

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channel is only going to be running for a few hours every evening. It

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will be a brand-new channel and it will have to establish its identity

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and get consumer loyalty to it. This is another reason I think the

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Scottish six was important. Everybody knows where BBC One is and

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that's why it was vital, I think, that the Scottish six should replace

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the current six and I think the BBC I'm afraid has missed an opportunity

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to deliver for the people of Scotland here on that specific

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issue. Thank you very much. Thank you, John Nicholson, SNP, MP and

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Lorna Gordon, our Scotland correspondent. More on BBC News

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throughout the day on that story. Victims of crimes being made

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to feel like criminals. That's what the victims'

:43:58.:43:59.

commissioner Baroness Newlowe says That's what the victims'

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commissioner Baroness Newlove says is happening to children,

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when they report violent She's warning that too often they're

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not taken seriously, accused of wasting police time

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or simply not believed. He reported an assault

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to police two years ago. Tell us about the young people you

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spoke to and what experiences they were recounting? They were

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experiencing not feeling believed. They didn't get the right

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information when they were told. Police didn't deliver anything back

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to them. Some people just felt that they were one young victim felt that

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while she was in this, you know, in an interview room it felt like, she

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was in a padded cell. So, because of their age, they didn't feel they

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were believed and didn't have any confidence, but more importantly

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they weren't getting the right entitlements as set out in the

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victims' code. These were in some cases, some serious crimes that they

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were alleging, weren't they? You have rape victims and sexual abuse

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victims. We're not talking, and I don't like the words lower level,

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but these were serious crimes and we have got to gain confidence and

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children need to have that confidence to come forward.

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Do you accept that some progress has been made in recent years with the

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way the police particularly when it comes to sexual offences crimes,

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approach alleged victims? Well, if you look at this review, it doesn't

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really stand out as if it is that. I think we're raising more awareness.

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It is a small number of children. It is a small number of children, but

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they are not the most easiest to have a conversation and I don't want

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to retraumatise them. What highlights in the review is the

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policies are not fit for purpose and the culture needs to shift from a

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lot more quicker, we have a landscape of child sexual abuse and

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we need to ensure that these victims feel that they are being recognised

:45:57.:45:59.

and being understood even though they are children.

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If you run your way home from school, attacked by an 18-year-old

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on the bus? What happened? I was on my way home, got approached by an

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18-year-old, sorting me on the bus. My face was busted up, rushed to

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hospital. -- assaulting me. The police came to hospital, saying they

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would get back to me, they did, took mugshots. From them, they have never

:46:36.:46:41.

got back to me since. Quite devastating, I thought I could trust

:46:42.:46:47.

them to help me. They just left it. Taking it seriously, taking pictures

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of the injuries, you thought they would go away and investigate, but

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absolutely nothing? Did you try to contact them? We contacted them,

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they did not come back, just left it. As if it was rubbish. A couple

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of months ago, picking up your little brother from school,

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effectively a gang pulled a knife on you? No. Sorry, I have made a

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mistake, that are not happen. Do you have any faith in the police? Not

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really. I see it as, they are there to help you, when it comes to young

:47:32.:47:35.

people, they do not take us seriously. We are partly to blame,

:47:36.:47:42.

we do things to give them because to think and why should we help you? At

:47:43.:47:46.

the same time, we are all equal. They should help us. They don't

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really do that? There are loads of police officers that treat children

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with respect, investigating claims thoroughly. We cannot generalise? We

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cannot generalise, but the review showed they are not adhering to the

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victims code. Most things that irritates people are communication.

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If you report the crime can you expect them to come back and help.

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If they're going to charge, not charge. They should never be left to

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think what is going on? Even if the police contacted you, saying we

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cannot go anywhere with this, I am sorry, to let you know it will we

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are closing the file, that been something? The least I would have

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been informed, and no. Pulling you do not that. If you found yourself

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in the same scenario again, assaulted on a bus? Would you report

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it first they say you should. I don't think I would. I don't know

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what they are going to do. I have done it once, did not get back to

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me, why should I do it again? Shaking your head? I am disgusted,

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some of the victims we have interviewed said the same. They

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would not come forward again. We're hearing continuously ever abused

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children. That is not what I wanted the review to do. My daughters went

:49:29.:49:33.

through the criminal justice system, I wanted to see if it was any better

:49:34.:49:38.

ten years later. I am disgusted, if children come to who are harmed,

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rates, sexually abused, these are serious crimes, they should be put

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there, giving entitlements. It is part of their recovery. You cannot

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just leave them, feeling it is their fault. And have no confidence to

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come forward. Thank you very much. The government has promised ?200

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million for emergency aid for South Sudan.

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It comes after a state of famine was declared

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in parts of the country, the first to be announced in any

:50:28.:50:30.

part of the world since 2011. According to the United Nations

:50:31.:50:33.

and the South Sudanese government, the famine is affecting around

:50:34.:50:35.

100 thousand people. Just under five million -

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40% of the population - are in urgent need of food.

:50:38.:50:40.

South Sudan is the world's newest country - it gained independence

:50:41.:50:42.

from Sudan six years ago, but hopes of prosperity have been

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shattered by three years of civil war and economic collapse.

:50:46.:50:56.

Lily, the introduction makes clear how serious this is. Give our

:50:57.:51:05.

audience an insight into the kind of people you are trying to help? We

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have Unicef colleagues of mine, working on warning for months that

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the food and security situation in South Sudan and surrounding

:51:18.:51:24.

countries has become severe. Families with children not knowing

:51:25.:51:28.

where the next meal is coming from. Having to exist on whatever they can

:51:29.:51:32.

come across. Many children severely malnourished. We are reaching some

:51:33.:51:38.

of those children with therapeutic food. We're doing that with

:51:39.:51:44.

thousands of children. We have now reached a severe situation,

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officially there is famine, and areas so affected by the conflict,

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so insecure, we can't even reach them. When you say officially there

:51:55.:52:00.

is famine, what criteria needs to be met? Sounds like a brutal question,

:52:01.:52:07.

but for our audience, what criteria for an official famine? The criteria

:52:08.:52:12.

means people are starving to death. High-level malnutrition in infants,

:52:13.:52:16.

we expect them to die from starvation. Goes beyond in security

:52:17.:52:25.

and malnutrition. We know that is in one state in South Sudan, a disaster

:52:26.:52:29.

for that state, because we cannot reach the children at the moment.

:52:30.:52:33.

What is even more worrying, we think the situation could easily spread if

:52:34.:52:38.

we're not able to act quickly emergency humanitarian health.

:52:39.:52:45.

Across the rest of the South Sudan, Somalia, countries like Yemen and

:52:46.:52:50.

Nigeria, affected by conflict, there are 1.5 million children who could

:52:51.:52:54.

be in that situation very soon. Places that do not make the

:52:55.:52:58.

headlines, we don't hear about them very often. We want the eyes of the

:52:59.:53:03.

world to focus on these areas, and realise just how much of an

:53:04.:53:07.

emergency these children are facing. We can talk to Emma in South Sudan,

:53:08.:53:15.

on the ground. She works for Oxfam. Can you hear me? Telus about the

:53:16.:53:24.

work you are trying to do. We have teams in the affected areas,

:53:25.:53:36.

providing nutrition, and also water. This before affected populations. --

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this is for. Not only famine, but also cholera. I travelled myself in

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Canute, for about five hours to reach the islands, where is the

:53:54.:54:00.

women and children were, with my team. During the journey and there

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was a woman we met, living in the swamp, did not have a cooking pot.

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I'm sorry, the line is breaking up. Let me bring in James. Telus about

:54:20.:54:23.

the security situation in South Sudan? The war broke out in December

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20 13th of peace deal efforts to stop it, but the fighting continues.

:54:30.:54:34.

What is important in the context, this is a man-made famine, created

:54:35.:54:38.

by the actions of the political leadership in South Sudan. The area

:54:39.:54:43.

particularly affected, where famine has been declared, it has been held

:54:44.:54:50.

by rebels in several points, government troops overrunning it

:54:51.:54:53.

from the people fleeing into the swamps. Desperately running for

:54:54.:54:58.

their lives. When they get to the swamps, which they see as a place of

:54:59.:55:02.

safety, nothing to read. Emma had gone on this Canute in the middle of

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nowhere, where people have nothing. Even a couple of years ago, this was

:55:10.:55:14.

the case, I talked to people told of relatives dying. This scale has got

:55:15.:55:19.

bigger and bigger. People are dying on a scale that the United Nations

:55:20.:55:25.

and other bodies considered as a famine. There has been denial of

:55:26.:55:32.

access for humanitarian workers. The government say this is a rebel

:55:33.:55:35.

controlled area, people supporting the rebels, UI will not allow to go

:55:36.:55:41.

into that area. The president, responding to the announcement

:55:42.:55:45.

promised unfettered access to aid workers to get help. That is one of

:55:46.:55:49.

the keys in resolving the situation, if the promises kept. Lily, from

:55:50.:55:57.

Unicef UK, the British government pledging ?200 million, that is

:55:58.:56:02.

something. Also high profile celebrities trying to get the

:56:03.:56:06.

message across to rich western countries to donate money? That is

:56:07.:56:13.

entirely right. These parts of the world that often do not make the

:56:14.:56:16.

headlines, people are not aware of what is going on, we want to shine a

:56:17.:56:21.

light on them. Fantastic the UK Government is doing what it can.

:56:22.:56:27.

Very underfunded areas of the world, not attracting donations, we would

:56:28.:56:31.

like that to change. Celebrity ambassadors helps us to do that. The

:56:32.:56:36.

UK Government is showing great leadership by pledging money to this

:56:37.:56:39.

crisis. It will save thousands of very innocent lives. This is a

:56:40.:56:46.

man-made conflict. Whilst that is a tragedy, it also means we can do

:56:47.:56:50.

something about it. Not hopeless, we can stop the crisis. What about

:56:51.:56:55.

stopping the fighting? The key political issue underpinning this.

:56:56.:57:01.

One of the problems, this is an incredibly complicated conflict. The

:57:02.:57:05.

peace deal was signed in 2015, a government of national unity last

:57:06.:57:08.

year, there were clashes in the capitals. The rebel leader fleeing

:57:09.:57:13.

into exile. Since then lots of other rebel groups. Is it about territory,

:57:14.:57:22.

land? Started about politics, infighting between political

:57:23.:57:26.

leaders. In South Sudan political leaders have ethnic power bases.

:57:27.:57:34.

There is an ethnic dimensional. There has been talk about genocide,

:57:35.:57:41.

ethnic cleansing. Power. At this point, revenge. People have seen

:57:42.:57:45.

uncles, brothers, cousins, husbands and wives killed. They want to get

:57:46.:57:52.

revenge. Very complicated problems to resolve. Ultimately only be South

:57:53.:57:57.

Sudan people can resolve them. The international community, and the

:57:58.:58:02.

response seems confused. A peace deal they are trying to continue,

:58:03.:58:05.

but most people think it has collapsed. Seems like a lack of

:58:06.:58:10.

ideas to resolve the underlying problems leading to the famine,

:58:11.:58:13.

people starving. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming on the

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