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Should British citizens be allowed to bring their spouses to the UK | :00:08. | :00:18. | |
whatever their income? Right now, they need to earn over ?18,000 a | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
year in order to do so. We're expecting a Supreme Court ruling | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
live in the next hour or two. We'll bring you the result. | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
How can you carry on like this? How can we continue to live like this? | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
We want to be able to be together. We want to be able to sit down and | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
relax together. But we can't. We have to stay like this. Also, it's | :00:41. | :00:50. | |
the BRIT Awards tonight. We'll be asking if the organisers | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
have done enough to celebrate black artists after criticism of last | :00:56. | :01:00. | |
year's pretty much all white line-up of nominees. Are patients missing | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
out on compassionate care because nurses are too stretched. We'll talk | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
to nurses in the next hour of the programme. | :01:09. | :01:16. | |
Hello and welcome to the programme. We're live until 11am. | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
We're also talking about the British IS fighter who died in that suicide | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
bomb attack on Iraqi forces in Mosul this week. | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
He was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee who received, | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
it is reported, ?1 million in compensation, | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
taxpayers' money, your money, on his release back to the UK. | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
We'll be asking if the money was spent on terror and how | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
Here's how to get in touch. Use #Victoria LIVE. | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
If you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
Our top story today, a ruling expected later this morning | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
at the Supreme Court could mean that thousands of British citizens | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
gain the legal right to bring their foreign spouse | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
Currently, people who are married to a Briton but are from outside | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
the European Economic Area - that is, the EU plus Iceland, | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
Liechtenstein and Norway, have been barred from settling | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
here unless their partner earns more than ?18,600 a year. | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
Hi Lisa. Good morning. So what cases is the Supreme Court actually ruling | :02:14. | :02:26. | |
on today? Well, this is the final Court of Appeal in the UK for civil | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
cases and they're going to rule on whether this is lawful. Critics say | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
that 15,000 children are being prevented from being with their | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
parents because of this. And in a series of test cases, those who have | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
been affected argued that the rules breached their right to any family | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
life and in 2013 the High Court ruled in their favour saying that | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
the rules were owe near are yous and unjustified and the judge urged the | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
Home Secretary to rewrite the rules, but the decision was overturned by | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
the Court of Appeal and that's what led to this challenge. The current | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
law, how does it work at the moment? Well, from 2012, Britons must earn | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
more than ?18600 because before a husband or a spouse can come from | :03:18. | :03:25. | |
the EEA, and settle in the UK, the minimum income threshold, that | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
affects people settled in the UK as well as refugees and then they have | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
an extra amount of money for each child, ?2400 for each child above | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
that. Now, the rules don't take account of any earnings of the | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
overseas partner. So you could somebody who has got a, who is | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
better qualified and they could have a much higher income potential if | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
they came here. So that's what some of the critics are saying. OK, thank | :03:51. | :03:52. | |
you very much, Lisa, thank you. We'll be speaking to some of those | :03:53. | :03:59. | |
affected by the current law - British people facing separation | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
from their spouses - in the next few minutes | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
on this programme. Joanna is in the BBC | :04:05. | :04:06. | |
Newsroom with a summary An extra ?200 million in emergency | :04:07. | :04:08. | |
humanitarian aid has been promised by the Government to tackle a famine | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
in South Sudan and Somalia. The International Development | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
Secretary, Priti Patel, said the additional funds | :04:18. | :04:19. | |
would provide food, water and emergency health care for more | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
than two million people. Here's our diplomatic | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
editor, James Landale. In parts of war-torn South Sudan, | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
people are now dying of starvation and famine has | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
been officially declared. The UN and charities say that | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
Somalia, Yemen and north-east Nigeria are facing similar | :04:34. | :04:40. | |
humanitarian crisis with millions of people having no | :04:41. | :04:42. | |
reliable access to food. So today the International | :04:43. | :04:44. | |
Development Secretary, Priti Patel, is promising a new package | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
of emergency aid for She said there will be | :04:47. | :04:49. | |
an extra ?200 million made available this year, | :04:50. | :04:56. | |
this would include emergency food and water for a million people | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
in Somalia and food assistance There will be also emergency health | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
care and nutritional support for starving children | :05:02. | :05:09. | |
in both countries. Britain's leadership will basically | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
mean we will be saving lives, bringing vital assistance to people | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
in desperate need but also putting the call out to the international | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
community to get them to step up, to galvanise their support | :05:19. | :05:21. | |
so that we can have a strong international response to what quite | :05:22. | :05:23. | |
frankly could be a devastating Got a, who is better qualified and | :05:24. | :05:31. | |
they could have a much higher income potential if they came here. So | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
that's what some of the critics are saying. OK, thank you very much, | :05:35. | :05:35. | |
Lisa, thank you. The problem is these crisis have | :05:36. | :05:52. | |
been caused as much by conflict as by drought and no amount of aid will | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
end the violence that's brought so much suffering to these countries. | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
A convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
Shaun Walmsley is one of four men serving life sentences for a fatal | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
He fled from outside Aintree University Hospital | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
as he was getting into a car with prison officers. | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
Our reporter Holly Hamilton is outside the hospital for us now. | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
Holly, tell us more about how this happened. Good morning, Joanna. Yes, | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
from what we understand Shaun Walmsley was brought here yesterday | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
afternoon for a medical procedure, for a medical appointment, he was | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
set upon unfortunately minutes later, he and two prison guards were | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
coming out of the hospital to return back to Liverpool jail where he has | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
based, where he's serving a life sentence. The two men both of whom | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
were carrying weapons, it is understood one was carrying a gun, | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
the other was brandishing a knife, both had their faces coveredment | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
they forced the two prison officers to release Shaun Walmsley. Neither | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
prison guards were injured in the incident. They were able to raise | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
the alarm quickly. Merseyside Police say they have launched a nationwide | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
search for the prisoner. They're working with the Ministry of Jus tus | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
and with other police support officers across the UK to try to | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
trace his whereabouts. He's described as dangerous. Members of | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
the public have been asked not to approach him. He was convicted for | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
murder in 2015 and he has been serving a life sentence as you say, | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
along with four other men. Now, he is described as dangerous. He is | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
expected to be still with the two men who helped him escape yesterday | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
afternoon. It's possible they could still be carrying weapons, so | :07:42. | :07:43. | |
members of the public have been asked not to approach them, but | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
instead to call 999 if they have any information. | :07:48. | :07:48. | |
Thank you, Holly. It's thought that a British man, | :07:49. | :07:52. | |
who carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq for the so-called | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
Islamic State terrorist group, had previously received compensation | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
from the UK Government after being arrested | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
in Pakistan by US forces The man, whom IS called | :08:01. | :08:02. | |
Abu-Zakariya al-Britani, but who was previously | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
known as Jamal al Harith and before that Ronald Fiddler, | :08:08. | :08:10. | |
detonated a vehicle filled with explosives in a village | :08:11. | :08:11. | |
south of Mosul. In 2001, he was detained | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
in the Guantanamo Bay detention centre as a terrorism suspect, | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
but was freed in 2004 after lobbying Lloyds Banking Group has | :08:19. | :08:20. | |
reported its highest annual profit in a decade, | :08:21. | :08:28. | |
helped by a reduction in payment protection insurance, | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
PPI, provisions. Pre-tax profits increased | :08:34. | :08:35. | |
to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen The UK Government's stake in Lloyds | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
to full private ownership this year. The cost of essential repairs | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
to school buildings in England has reached almost ?7 billion, | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
according to the In a report published today, | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
it warns that figure It also says that ministers' plans | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
to create 500 new free schools adds up to a bill of ?2.5 billion simply | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
to purchase the land The White House has issued | :09:05. | :09:06. | |
new guidelines designed to multiply the deportation of illegal | :09:07. | :09:13. | |
immigrants from the United States. Officials have been told to enforce | :09:14. | :09:15. | |
existing laws more strictly, and more quickly, and to target | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
undocumented people arrested for minor offences such as shoplifting | :09:19. | :09:20. | |
or traffic violations. President Trump's spokesman, | :09:21. | :09:29. | |
Sean Spicer, said the new rules would make immigration | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
officers' work easier. The president needed to give | :09:32. | :09:40. | |
guidance especially after what they went through in the last | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
administration, members had to figure out each individual whether | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
or not they fitted into a particular category and they could adjudicate | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
that case. The president wanted to take the shackles off individuals in | :09:53. | :09:55. | |
these agencies and say you have a mission, there are laws that need to | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
be followed. You should do your mission and follow the law. | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
Malaysian police say they want to question a North Korean | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
diplomat over the killing of Kim Jong-nam - | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
the estranged half-brother of North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un. | :10:11. | :10:12. | |
Kim Jong-nam died after being attacked at the international | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
airport in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur last week. | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
Two women caught on CCTV carrying out the attack said they thought | :10:17. | :10:19. | |
they were participating in a TV prank, but police claim | :10:20. | :10:22. | |
they were well aware they were using a toxic chemical. | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
By 2030 both men and women in the UK are expected to live | :10:25. | :10:27. | |
well into their 80s, for the first time. | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
Scientists at Imperial College London looked at the average life | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
expectancy in 35 industrialised nations and discovered all would see | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
people living longer with the gap between men and women | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
Women in South Korea are expected to live the longest, | :10:37. | :10:45. | |
If there is a barrier, we are not anywhere close to it. Whether that's | :10:46. | :10:57. | |
100 or 110, we'll just have to wait for another couple of decades to | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
see, but certainly not 90. The Bill giving the Prime Minister | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
permission to trigger the start of the Brexit process has been given | :11:05. | :11:06. | |
an unopposed second reading It will now be discussed | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
in committee where some peers are expected to attempt to amend | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
the proposed legislation. The first anniversary of the murder | :11:13. | :11:27. | |
of Jo Cox will be marked by street parties and picnics throughout the | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
country. The MP was killed in her West Yorkshire constituency before | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
last June's EU referendum. Her husband said the great get together | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
would be a fitting tribute it his wife. The plans will be launched by | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
the Duchess of Cornwall later today. A runaway bull has led police | :11:42. | :11:53. | |
in New York on a chase The bull, which is believed to have | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
escaped from a slaughterhouse, was on the loose for around two | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
hours in the district of Queens. It repeatedly gave officers the slip | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
before it was finally tranquilised An animal sanctuary had | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
offered to rehome the bull, but sadly it died | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
on its way to the centre. That's a summary of the latest BBC | :12:10. | :12:11. | |
News - more at 9.30. Do get in touch with us | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
throughout the morning, use #Victoria LIVE and If you text, | :12:15. | :12:16. | |
you will be charged What a thrilling game. Two sides | :12:17. | :12:28. | |
going all out to attack? It reminded me of my school days, just playing | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
in the playground. You didn't care about defending your own goal, all | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
you wanted to do was attack, attack. Twice City came from behind, 5-3 was | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
the final score. Look at that goal! Fantastic goal. | :12:46. | :12:55. | |
And then Sergio Aguero of City said, "Anything you can do, I can match | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
you." A brilliant match by City. Two attacking teams going all-out. 5-3 | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
was the final score and they take that valuable, valuable lead to | :13:06. | :13:09. | |
Monaco in three weeks time. It will be an interesting match-up that one. | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
Wayne Rooney, he's not really going to China, is he? Well, it seems | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
unthinkable, if you think a few weeks back when he became Manchester | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
United's record goal scorer. This is a person, a legend of the club, so | :13:23. | :13:27. | |
synonymous with Manchester United, but Jose Mourinho yesterday said he | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
can't guarantee that Wayne Rooney will still be in the squad in the | :13:32. | :13:36. | |
coming seasons. Wayne Rooney has previously said he will fulfil his | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
contract up until 2019, but when China, the Chinese Super League come | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
calling there is a big financial incentive for him to leave. We | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
understand he won't go in the next week when the Chinese Super League | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
transfer window is opened, but possibly, possibly in the summer. It | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
does make you wonder about Wayne Rooney's long-term future at the | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
club. What is the latest with the pie eating verve goalie or no longer | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
reserve goalie for Sutton? Yeah, you know it's a big story when it gets | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
its own hashtag, pie gate, it has been called. There is a petition | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
launched to have him reinstated after he stepped down from the club | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
yesterday and there were some people out there that will say he was just | :14:19. | :14:25. | |
having a laugh and perhaps the rules are restrictive, but if you look at | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
this argument, he has broken the rules and the rules are that no one | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
is allowed, no one including players, coaches, staff, officials | :14:34. | :14:37. | |
are allowed to bet on anything to do with a football competition, | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
directly or indirectly as the case maybe. Now, you know, it didn't | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
affect the outcome of the game, but did it compromise the integrity of | :14:46. | :14:53. | |
the competition? This is what the FA and the Gambling Commission will be | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
investigating. Thank you very much, Jess. | :14:58. | :15:06. | |
Nursing standard and marry curie asked nurses about their experiences | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
of caring for patients in their final months, weeks and days of | :15:12. | :15:12. | |
their lives. if Nursing Standard and Marie Curie, | :15:13. | :15:20. | |
asked nurses about their experiences of caring for patients in the final | :15:21. | :15:22. | |
months, weeks and days Two out of three nurses said | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
they don't have enough time They also said training and | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
community services need to improve. Let's speak to Conservative MP | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
Maria Caulfield who used to work as an NHS nurse, | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
an A nurse Danny Meredith, an assistant mental health nurse | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
Diane Cawood and Alwin Puthenparakal really give our audience an insight | :15:38. | :15:52. | |
into a typical day? It is a very fast paced environment. It involves | :15:53. | :16:01. | |
a lot of high-pressure time management. Organisational skills. | :16:02. | :16:10. | |
On a daily basis, we tend to go on the phrase time is tissue. We remind | :16:11. | :16:15. | |
ourselves of the challenges we face every day. What kind of patients are | :16:16. | :16:27. | |
you looking after. They tend to be sedated and ventilated, normally | :16:28. | :16:36. | |
non-cognate area. They are looked after the accident scene, excellent | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
training. Also the family members as well. How many patients would you be | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
responsible for, not use only, as you said, it is 18? Normally if it | :16:47. | :16:55. | |
is one care, in the UK, it can vary. If the patients are getting better, | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
it can vary from one nurse looking after two patients. Normally the | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
case. What is the biggest challenge as a nurse working in intensive | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
care? The biggest challenge, I would say, not having enough time. | :17:14. | :17:19. | |
Essentially, because there are a lot of things to do in a given period of | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
time. In a 12 hour period. However the most important goal for all of | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
us as a team is to help patients recover. Besides that, we have the | :17:32. | :17:39. | |
document everything we do. Looking after the welfare of the family | :17:40. | :17:44. | |
members. Look after the welfare of ourselves, throughout the process of | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
a heavy, emotionally distressing day. Fantastic insight, thank you. | :17:50. | :17:56. | |
Diane, you are an assistant mental health nurse. Typical day, give our | :17:57. | :18:04. | |
audience and real insight, to get under the skin of what you do on a | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
daily basis? No two days of the same in mental health. Part of what I | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
love about it. Usually quite busy and hectic. You will have 22, 23, 24 | :18:16. | :18:25. | |
patients. People with depression, anxiety, self harm and those | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
suffering with psychosis. You are looking after the day today needs | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
generally, people with mental health conditions. If any of them have | :18:36. | :18:44. | |
physical illnesses, as well. On a ward with 22 patients, Hammond staff | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
would there be? On a typical day shift, two qualified nurses and two | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
nursing assistants. On a night shift, one qualified nurse and two | :18:58. | :19:05. | |
systems. Is that enough?? I would not say so, we need more staff, if | :19:06. | :19:12. | |
it gets more busy, more things going on on the ward, you need more staff. | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
What is your biggest challenge? Like the previous gentleman said, it is | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
time, never enough hours in the data your job. Maria coalfield, | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
Conservative MP, still doing shifts as an NHS nurse. Tell us about a | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
typical day in a hospital? A shift can vary, one day can be very | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
different from the next. I have been a nurse for 20 years. I mainly | :19:43. | :19:49. | |
working inpatient setting. I cannot comment about what happens in the | :19:50. | :19:52. | |
community. The types of patients have changed. I work in cancer care, | :19:53. | :19:58. | |
patients used to come in before operations, stay in many days after | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
operations. The post period was a part of their stay. Now they come in | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
on the day of surgery, going home pretty quickly. The type of patients | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
are more sicker, post up, acute infections. Those patients who are | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
dying, or going on for the same ward. Juggling different types is a | :20:19. | :20:25. | |
most difficult part of the job. People recovering from operations, | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
someone who needs chemotherapy, given on time. Often the patient who | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
is poorly, maybe the end of life care, the patient he gets seen last. | :20:36. | :20:42. | |
You have to prioritise the type of patient you are looking after. That | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
has changed, much more acute over the years. Since I have been a | :20:47. | :20:54. | |
nurse. The survey, not a revelation to save most nurses say they do not | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
have enough time. What is really significant, what they are saying we | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
don't have enough time with patients who are dying. That is really | :21:04. | :21:11. | |
alarming. In Parliament, we have had debates about end of life care. In | :21:12. | :21:15. | |
the cancer setting, it is pretty good, excellent hospices, good end | :21:16. | :21:24. | |
of life care. In other settings, Alzheimer's, MS, there is not the | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
end of life care support. Very often patients are stuck in hospitals, | :21:31. | :21:33. | |
they want to be at home, they want to be in a hospice. People looking | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
after them, and I talked to nurses who say we do not have the skills to | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
do end of life care, often gets forgotten. I completely agree with | :21:45. | :21:52. | |
Mary, at the end of the day, it is about training, and the time | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
available to look after the patient. Besides my role as in intensive care | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
nurse, I work as a university lecturer, me the time to to students | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
as well. To see what they have experienced, and also qualified | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
nurses as well. As previously advertised, in several reports in | :22:13. | :22:19. | |
the last decade, there is a growing problem, this issue has always been | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
there. We need to speak to the patients, for their feedback. Look | :22:27. | :22:34. | |
at the problem in a holistic sense. Do you get his feet Theresa May, and | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
give her your direct experience? I met with the Secretary of State, | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
Jeremy Hunt, there has been a report done on end of life care. One of the | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
key areas is training for staff. Staff are not necessarily trained in | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
pain control. The survey today is that the time. A lot of it to do | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
with the commissioning process, at the moment they are paid for a | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
number of operations, chemotherapy, but not paid for end of life care. | :23:09. | :23:15. | |
Hospitals are not, and until we are recognising the value of the end of | :23:16. | :23:24. | |
life care, and hospitals... The money would pay for businesses, it | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
would be seen as an intrinsic part of the role. It might pay for them. | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
I have not done the maths, but not enough people wanting to be nurses. | :23:35. | :23:41. | |
The current system, I was under the bursary system, I had reservations | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
about that being disbanded, they were turning student nurses away, | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
there was a cap on the numbers. The new schemes, the associate nurse and | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
the apprenticeship nurse will bring more into the profession. That is | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
what we hope is. Of course that is the hope. There is a shortage right | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
now. There are 10,000 more nurses being trained in practice, compared | :24:05. | :24:18. | |
to 2010. There are more, many more patients, many more challenges | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
because of the lack of social care. My experience in 20 years, the skill | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
mix is better on the wards. I used to look after, ten, 15 years ago, | :24:27. | :24:34. | |
ten patients are shift. That has dropped down to six, that is down to | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
reports like from this report. That was about safety. Nurses were | :24:39. | :24:46. | |
looking after too many patients. Let me ask you both, what you would say | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
to maria, who occasionally as a hotline to the Prime Minister | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
because of her experience on the NHS. What messages should she give | :24:56. | :25:02. | |
to her? Fundamentally, all about the organisational skills. The adequate | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
amount of training for the appropriate nurses, in particular | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
settings. So they can approach these challenges in the right kind of way. | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
Diane, what would you say? Training certainly helps. I feel staff | :25:19. | :25:25. | |
retention is a big part of it. A lot of people leaving the profession, | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
because they are overworked, undervalued, stress, not supported. | :25:30. | :25:33. | |
It is good to be training more nurses, I myself am a student nurse. | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
We need to be keeping the people already trained, making them feel | :25:40. | :25:46. | |
valued. Absolutely. A huge retention problem. It is a difficult job. A | :25:47. | :25:56. | |
huge level of burn-out. Only so long you can be dealing with that | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
stressful situation. A number of nurses who want to return to | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
practice. Difficult to do that, time-consuming, expensive process. | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
We need to focus on keeping nurses, so they do not feel they need to | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
leave the profession and we need to make it easier for people returning | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
to nursing. Thanks for coming to the programme. If you work in the | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
nursing profession or use you, let me know your experiences, what it | :26:25. | :26:27. | |
was like for you on the ward, where it was you work. And what the issues | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
are. What the government should be concentrating on. Still to come on | :26:34. | :26:45. | |
the programme. It is the BRIT Awards tonight, this year a different | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
story. We are asking if the organisers have done nothing | :26:51. | :26:53. | |
celebrate black artists. We will find out whether British citizens | :26:54. | :26:56. | |
will be allowed to bring their spouses in the UK, and have much | :26:57. | :27:04. | |
they earn. -- however much they earn. | :27:05. | :27:16. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
A ruling expected later this morning at the Supreme Court later | :27:20. | :27:22. | |
could mean that thousands of British citizens gain the legal right | :27:23. | :27:24. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :27:25. | :27:27. | |
A ruling expected later this morning at the Supreme Court later | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
could mean that thousands of British citizens gain the legal right | :27:31. | :27:33. | |
to bring their foreign spouse to live in the UK. | :27:34. | :27:35. | |
Since 2012, people who are married to a Briton but are from outside | :27:36. | :27:38. | |
the European Economic Area - that is, the EU plus Iceland, | :27:39. | :27:41. | |
Liechtenstein and Norway - have been barred from settling | :27:42. | :27:43. | |
Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of today's news. | :27:44. | :27:46. | |
to bring their foreign spouse to live in the UK. | :27:47. | :27:48. | |
Since 2012, people who are married to a Briton but are from outside | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
the European Economic Area - that is, the EU plus Iceland, | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
Liechtenstein and Norway - have been barred from settling | :27:55. | :27:56. | |
here unless their partner earns more than ?18,600 | :27:57. | :27:58. | |
An extra ?200 million in emergency humanitarian aid has been promised | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
by the Government to tackle a famine in South Sudan and Somalia. | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
The international development secretary, Priti Patel, | :28:05. | :28:06. | |
said the additional funds would provide food, water | :28:07. | :28:08. | |
and emergency health care for more than two million people. | :28:09. | :28:10. | |
A convicted murderer is on the run after armed men helped him escape | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
Shaun Walmsley is one of four men serving life sentences for a fatal | :28:14. | :28:18. | |
He fled from outside Aintree University Hospital | :28:19. | :28:20. | |
as he was getting into a car with prison officers. | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
It's thought that a British man, who carried out a suicide bombing | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
in Iraq for the so-called Islamic State terrorist group, | :28:27. | :28:28. | |
had previously received compensation from the UK Government | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
after being arrested in Pakistan by US forces | :28:31. | :28:32. | |
The man, whom IS called Abu-Zakariya al-Britani, | :28:33. | :28:35. | |
but who was previously known as Jamal al Harith and before | :28:36. | :28:37. | |
that Ronald Fiddler, detonated a vehicle filled | :28:38. | :28:39. | |
with explosives in a village south of Mosul. | :28:40. | :28:41. | |
In 2001, he was detained in the Guantanamo Bay detention | :28:42. | :28:43. | |
centre as a terrorism suspect, but was freed in 2004 after lobbying | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
Lloyds Banking Group has reported its highest | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
annual profit in a decade, helped by a reduction | :28:50. | :28:51. | |
in payment protection insurance, PPI, provisions. | :28:52. | :28:52. | |
Pre-tax profits increased to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
The UK Government's stake in Lloyds has now fallen below 5% and it has | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
said it wants to return the bank to full private | :29:01. | :29:02. | |
That's a summary of the latest BBC News. | :29:03. | :29:18. | |
The headlines, Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola says his side | :29:19. | :29:33. | |
must score in the return leg in the Champions League tie with Monaco. | :29:34. | :29:41. | |
City came from behind to win 5-3 last night, but he said they were | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
not the violence unless they can turn Monaco's attacking tactics. | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
Jose Mourinho says he cannot guarantee Wayne Rooney will be with | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
Manchester United next season. He has been linked with the Chinese | :29:55. | :29:57. | |
Super League. Ryan Sidebottom will end his 20 year cricket career at | :29:58. | :30:03. | |
the end of the season. He has won the County Championship five times, | :30:04. | :30:17. | |
winning T20 World Cup 2010. Wayne Shaw has resigned from his position | :30:18. | :30:20. | |
at Sutton, after a pie eating row. Should British citizens | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
have an automatic right Currently you need to earn more | :30:26. | :30:27. | |
than ?18,600 if your husband or wife is from a non-EU country - | :30:28. | :30:33. | |
more in some cases where there The rules were brought | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
in by the Government four years ago to stop low-income migrant families | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
becoming a burden on the taxpayer, but opponents say the rules | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
are unfair and have led to thousands of children being separated | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
from their parents. Today the Supreme Court will decide | :30:52. | :30:54. | |
if the rules are lawful or not. Last year our reporter | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
Divya Talwar met Amira, a mother who fled Syria with her son, | :31:01. | :31:03. | |
and was left separated from her husband because she didn't | :31:04. | :31:05. | |
meet the minimum income requirement. The seaside town of Barry Islands in | :31:06. | :31:26. | |
Wales. This is home for Amira and her son Jude since she fled from | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
Syria. Two years ago the daily sounds of | :31:31. | :31:35. | |
gunfire and barrel bombs were normal life in Damascus with her Syrian | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
husband. Amira is British and her dad is Syrian and she met her | :31:42. | :31:45. | |
husband through her relatives living there. When she fell pregnant, the | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
couple decided they had to leave the country. Amira came back to the UK | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
just before giving birth, but her husband had to stay behind. He | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
couldn't get a visa and still can't. I don't meet the means or the | :31:59. | :32:03. | |
requirements to bring my husband here on a spouse visa or like wise a | :32:04. | :32:11. | |
family visa. Since leaving Syria, Amira's home in Damascus has been | :32:12. | :32:17. | |
bombed. Family members have lost their lives. Her husband has fled to | :32:18. | :32:24. | |
Turkey. The family try to Skype every day. Jude is one of at least | :32:25. | :32:29. | |
15,000 British children growing up in Skype families since the new | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
rules came in, according to a report by the Children's Commissioner. He's | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
trying to get to give. He's trying to give him cuddles. It is him | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
trying to get to, you know, he's trying... You see, he just wants to | :32:46. | :32:52. | |
try and get to, he wants to try and get to his dad to have cuddles with | :32:53. | :32:59. | |
him. It can't keep on doing this. I just can't keep on... It's just... | :33:00. | :33:05. | |
How can you carry on like this? How can we continue to live like this? | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
We want to be able to be together and we want to be able to sit down | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
and relax together, but we can't. We have to stay like this. Yeah, good | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
boy. Kiss it. Amira and her husband separated this | :33:22. | :33:32. | |
year because the distance between them put too many strains | :33:33. | :33:34. | |
on their relationship. Let's talk now to two | :33:35. | :33:38. | |
people who fall below Satbir Singh who's a British citizen | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
and cannot bring his wife over from India and Lian Papay whose | :33:44. | :33:52. | |
American husband AJ faces being deported because of repeated | :33:53. | :33:54. | |
visa rejections, and Chai Patel who's charity Joint Council | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
for the Welfare of Immigrants it campaigns for justice | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
in immigration law. How long have you been living apart | :34:00. | :34:07. | |
from your Going on six wife? Months. What's that like? Obviously | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
incredibly challenging. Incredibly unsettling. It makes planning the | :34:12. | :34:17. | |
future very difficult. I think you married in 2014 after you met at | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
university in London. Yes. So you married after the rules were brought | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
in. Were you aware of them? We were. What we weren't aware of is the | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
technicality in the rules both of us individually actually earn above the | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
minimum income requirement, but as my wife is not an EU citizen, her | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
income isn't couldn'ted and as my work is basically on a contract | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
basis, it's not counted either. Previously we were living in the | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
United States. Our visas were renegotiated and we were sort of | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
required to leave the US and it was at that point that we were | :34:52. | :34:53. | |
involuntarily put in no position where we basically now have to live | :34:54. | :34:56. | |
in separate countries. You don't have to live in separate countries. | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
You could move to India? I could move to India, but if I did that, | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
even if I got an incredible job, there is no way we would save the | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
savings requirement to move back to the United Kingdom. That's about | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
?60,000 as a minimum. Yes. Easier said than done, I know. Are you | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
trying to get a job? Yes. Which would give you the minimum | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
requirement? I earn above the income requirement. It is a technicality | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
that contract work isn't recognised. I'm working sort of all hours that | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
I'm not working on my actual job to find a new job. It's very difficult | :35:35. | :35:41. | |
to turn down work as it comes to say well, I can't take on a new contract | :35:42. | :35:47. | |
because I'm looking for a full-time job because you're foregoing income. | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
You're trapped between a rock and a hard place. The original rational | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
from the Government was about effectively the rules were brought | :35:56. | :35:58. | |
in to reduce costs to taxpayers and there were a couple of other things | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
as well. Do you accept that? I don't. Spouses have not had recourse | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
to public funds traditionally. They pay into the NHS before they are | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
granted their visa and if we're talking about the economics of it, | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
the Government's o Office of National Statistics points out there | :36:17. | :36:19. | |
is a net gain to the Treasury from spouses who come here and work and | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
pay taxes as my wife would, as many spouses would, so there is no sort | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
of sensible logic behind the economic argument here either. What | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
about if you earn below the minimum income requirement the ?18600 | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
figure, you bring a spouse and a child, actually you'd have to earn | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
?22,000 if you wanted to bring a child. Actually, the more dependants | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
you have, the more likely you are to be eligible for tax credits so that | :36:44. | :36:47. | |
could be argued is a burden to the taxpayer? Well, it defines how | :36:48. | :36:54. | |
you're defining a burd. Sometimes I will pay into the system and at | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
other times I will take out. There is no need here to penalise British | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
citizens who for one reason or another might not be earning a very | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
ash Trafalgar Squarily defined income requirement, when at other | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
times they maybe paying more into the system than they take out. They | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
are being penalised because they have married somebody who is from | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
outside the European Economic Area. Thank you for coming on the | :37:20. | :37:22. | |
programme. Clearly, you're together, living in Newcastle and you have a | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
child as well. But I think Leanne, because you don't earn the minimum | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
income requirement, you don't earn enough according to the Government | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
then you AJ can't stay as you're an American citizen? Yeah, that's | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
right. We have been fighting an immigration battle with this for | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
four years now just basically trying to get them to see the human aspect | :37:47. | :37:52. | |
side of things. You know, I don't earn ?18600, that isn't an average | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
salary within my area. You know, and you know, it is a struggle to try | :37:58. | :38:03. | |
and hit that amount of money and for that reason, we have been fighting a | :38:04. | :38:08. | |
visa, you know, fighting a battle with the immigration. Obviously if | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
AJ was to be removed, it would cause some problems for our son who, you | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
know, who would be devastated by that. Of course. AJ, I'm going to | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
ask you to speak up. We've only got one microphone. Sorry about that. | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
What effect is this having on you and your wife and your son? Well, | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
it's like the other guy said, we can't really plan for the future | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
because I'm not allowed to work. I'm not allowed any public funds or | :38:38. | :38:46. | |
anything. If I was to be removed, I'm, I'm our son's main carer | :38:47. | :38:53. | |
through the day while Leanne works. One day I would be taking care of | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
him and fi was removed, deported, he would not have his main carer, not | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
have his dad there, where he sees me every day, you know, and I take care | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
of him every day, it would be like a large detachment issue that could | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
cause psychological problems in the future for him. Have you considered | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
as a family moving to the States? Is that possible? We have, yeah. We've | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
thought about it. Obviously because we do want to remain together as a | :39:20. | :39:22. | |
family so we have thought about that option. But all of AJ's family is | :39:23. | :39:29. | |
actually living within the UK. My family lives here within the UK and | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
Jayden is very close to them also. So by taking him out of the UK to | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
America, it would be upsetting him on that part. You know, I think, the | :39:40. | :39:46. | |
best thing all-round for our family is for AJ to be able to remain here, | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
AJ able to work and Jayden stay this his routine and still have his | :39:53. | :39:55. | |
family network around him and also in America, we haven't got the money | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
to get health insurance for Jayden for example and that's a big thing | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
to us because, you know, we want to make sure that if anything was to | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
happen to Jayden in the future, you know, we could go to the hospital or | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
the doctors and obviously in this country it's a plesing that you can | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
do that. Over there, we would have no home. No healthcare. And you | :40:18. | :40:27. | |
know, no work, no jobs. Good morning to you. How many | :40:28. | :40:31. | |
families have been impacted by the income rules since 2012? Well, our | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
estimates are that about 15,000 children will have been impacted by | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
the rules. In terms of being separated from one or other parent? | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
In terms of being separated. In terms of families, it is hard to | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
say, but it is in the tens of thousands. Let's talk about the | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
legal side of this. What is being argued in the Supreme Court is to do | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
with people's British citizens right to a family life. Explain that for | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
our audience? Right, so everyone in the UK has a right to a private and | :41:05. | :41:11. | |
family life which is put into UK law by the Human Rights Act. And one of | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
the other rights which is very relevant to Leanne's case, it is in | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
British law, any immigration decision has to put as a primary | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
consideration the best interests of any children that would be affected | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
and our research shows that not only are children, you know, incredibly | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
psychologically impacted by having one of their parents leave or just | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
never seeing them, but also that the decision making process that the | :41:40. | :41:41. | |
Home Office goes through does not do that. It does not look specifically | :41:42. | :41:45. | |
at the best interests of the child in the way that they're legally | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
required to do. So those are the two main questions that the Supreme | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
Court is going to be looking at. This has been going on since 2013 | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
when the High Court said the Government policy was unlawful. The | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
judge urged the Home Secretary to rewrite the rules. That was | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
overturned at the Court of Appeal and we're waiting for the judgement | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
this morning and what happens today is definitive? Yes, well, the family | :42:09. | :42:14. | |
could, the families could appeal to the European Court of Human Rights | :42:15. | :42:16. | |
on the Human Rights point. Right. OK. But the Supreme Court is | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
definitive in terms of English law. Right, OK. Are you feeling anxious? | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
A little bit, yes. Not just for myself, but for thousands of other | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
families who actually if I'm perfectly honest, there are cases | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
worse than this, where there are children involved. I'm fort not nat | :42:39. | :42:46. | |
that we are able to visit each other. For many families that's not | :42:47. | :42:53. | |
an option and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for them as mup as for me. A | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
viewer says, "My husband and I had to do long-distance between here and | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
New Zealand due to the rule. It was heart wremplging, but worth it now." | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
David says, "Migrants who work and contribute to our economy should not | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
be deported. Some work in essential services." Another viewer says, | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
"This response is tragic. How do you tell a young boy, you're English, | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
but go live somewhere else based on earnings?" Another viewer says, | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
"Keep the ban on spouses. This country is under enough pressure | :43:26. | :43:28. | |
when it comes to schools, NHS and housing." Thank you very much all of | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
you. The Supreme Court ruling is due this morning and we will bring it to | :43:34. | :43:34. | |
you live as soon as it comes in. Tonight's Brit awards is tonight. | :43:35. | :44:03. | |
Last year's awards were labelled an embarrassment by one grime artist. | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
Months later, organisers announced a shake-up with more people from black | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
and ethnic minority backgrounds being put on the judging panel. At | :44:13. | :44:19. | |
tonight's Brits, more than 20 nominations have gone to non-white | :44:20. | :44:21. | |
artists. Let's look at the nominees. # Shut up. | :44:22. | :44:44. | |
# How can you be better than me? # Back up dancer. | :44:45. | :44:48. | |
# I want to chat about back-up dancer. . # | :44:49. | :44:55. | |
# Rachel will get her hair braided. # My mum don't your mum. | :44:56. | :45:17. | |
# Trust no one. # Sing me a song. | :45:18. | :45:48. | |
# Turn me around so I can be everything I was meant to be. | :45:49. | :46:00. | |
Charmaine Hayden who runs an online music show, and Lauren Page, | :46:01. | :46:21. | |
Kano is up for three awards. I'm glad the time has come where grime | :46:22. | :46:42. | |
can be recognised. Why has it taken long? Is it that grime artists | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
aren't signed to big labels so they don't president the music forward? | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
Is it racism? What is it? Grime is a new genre. It has been around for 15 | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
years. I think everything takes time to nurture and be out there in the | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
right place at the right time. Very professional platform, all the | :47:03. | :47:16. | |
artists are doing well. The youth, in London, across Britain, the right | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
time to be nominated. Is it mainstream? It is worldwide. | :47:20. | :47:34. | |
Does that change the John wrote? Do you welcome a bigger audience? I | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
feel like the underground is mainstream, still underground in the | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
meantime. Do you reckon? Important to commercialise what is existing, | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
rather than turning it into something already commercial. It is | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
just about progressing the art form, as it is. Let's talk about what | :47:55. | :48:03. | |
happened last year, the contrasts in terms of nominations. You were | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
brought on the judging panel. What did you think about the nominees | :48:09. | :48:19. | |
last year? It is a bit of an oversight. That is being polite? I | :48:20. | :48:29. | |
think the judging panel was a bit outdated. Not as useful as it was | :48:30. | :48:35. | |
now. I have to take my hat off to the chairman, he took on board the | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
comments. The outrage online. What he did, he acted on it. Which is the | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
best thing to do. Acting on it, involving some more youthful people, | :48:47. | :48:54. | |
people from ethnic backgrounds, making the judging panel more even. | :48:55. | :49:02. | |
As a music fan, what did you think of the nominees last year, | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
contrasting with this year? Last year, it highlighted the lack of | :49:06. | :49:21. | |
diversity in the nominees. The very popular group he brought an album or | :49:22. | :49:27. | |
not even nominated. Number two album, fantastic, not even | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
nominated. Looking at the sheer diversity this year, absolutely over | :49:33. | :49:38. | |
the moon to see those acts, they really deserve it. As a pure music | :49:39. | :49:45. | |
fan, is the diversity issue overhyped? Sometimes, there are that | :49:46. | :49:54. | |
many genres in music, people sometimes think it is overhyped, | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
they think we need loads of different genres to fit in. For the | :50:00. | :50:03. | |
BRIT Awards specifically, and others, it is not overhyped, giving | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
people the recognition they deserve. Nice that this year they have | :50:08. | :50:15. | |
finally realised that grime, I don't know how to put it, pop music has | :50:16. | :50:21. | |
always been a big factor of the Brits, and it is nice that grime is | :50:22. | :50:24. | |
just as popular, getting the artists out there. What did you think about | :50:25. | :50:32. | |
the nominees last year? The nominees last year, I would have loved to | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
have seen some of the grime acts involved. It is still good. 48 | :50:37. | :50:43. | |
nominations last year, only two went to an artist from an ethnic minority | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
background, in the international categories. You are smiling, like it | :50:48. | :50:55. | |
is unbelievable? Definitely last year, there was an oversight. The | :50:56. | :51:00. | |
main thing is, this year it is being corrected. I'm sure you will help to | :51:01. | :51:14. | |
bring things together. It is looking better, looking good. The important | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
thing, not just to make it a whole big grime thing. I don't think the | :51:20. | :51:25. | |
Brits did too much, they just had enough. Really important for some it | :51:26. | :51:34. | |
is not a trophy category, the best crime was not there is not the best | :51:35. | :51:43. | |
rock award, Best pop award. We just want recognition for what we do. | :51:44. | :51:51. | |
We're just as big as all these other categories of music. Do you remember | :51:52. | :52:00. | |
when Joss Stone won best urban act? It was an oversight, yet again. | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
Things have come a long way. You are a judge, what is it you are looking | :52:06. | :52:16. | |
for? What we're looking for, you are given an option of nominees for each | :52:17. | :52:19. | |
category, you pick the nominees for rich category. I am looking for who | :52:20. | :52:26. | |
has had an impact full year. Who has put out the best music. Whatever is | :52:27. | :52:34. | |
relative to that category. What are you looking for tonight? When you | :52:35. | :52:46. | |
look at Kano, big categories, Best British solo male, Best album of the | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
year. I just take some of them bring it home. That is the main thing. Is | :52:53. | :53:01. | |
it easier for new artists, like Stormzy? Easier to win, or make it? | :53:02. | :53:10. | |
It may be easier in context. We are in Internet age, it was not like | :53:11. | :53:16. | |
that, it was restricted before, you had to get on certain platforms. Now | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
it is easier just to be yourself, put out good music. Become as big | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
and successful as you need to be. Great time for grime. Stormzy is | :53:28. | :53:35. | |
here at the right time. With his outburst last year, that has created | :53:36. | :53:41. | |
all of this. Allowing people to really take grime seriously. | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
Understanding it is not a small force, it is a force to be reckoned | :53:46. | :53:52. | |
with. Why did it have to be taken seriously? It has to be taken | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
seriously because it is not a micro niche, it is an important part of | :53:58. | :54:03. | |
culture, people like it. You have to credit the hard work that has been | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
put in, by the musicians. Kano doing music for a long time, impacting a | :54:10. | :54:16. | |
lot of people's lives. People like Stormzy, pretty new, doing a lot of | :54:17. | :54:25. | |
work in the DIY manner. The artists, people are loving them, why aren't | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
we recognise the talent? Tell us about the work that goes into it? | :54:31. | :54:37. | |
Pirate radio. Trying to get everything captured. A lot of work | :54:38. | :54:44. | |
being put in. If he did not get its value in full worth, disappointing | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
to see this is what is going on right now. People appreciate the | :54:48. | :55:01. | |
work ethic? So of course they do, they can understand, they can see | :55:02. | :55:09. | |
the growth. People my age, 30, started liking this when they were | :55:10. | :55:12. | |
15, they can see how far it has come. Even the new grime fans go | :55:13. | :55:18. | |
back and see the whole stuff. They can understand where we have come | :55:19. | :55:25. | |
from. I was nine, ten when I first started hearing the sound. I am 21 | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
now. Over ten years. Thank you very much. We will see what happens. | :55:32. | :55:38. | |
Lauren, thank you very much as well. Let's bring you breaking news, from | :55:39. | :55:44. | |
the Supreme Court. The ruling on immigration, so that a few moments | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
ago, it looks like the government have won on principle. The law is | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
lawful. They have lost on the detail. I'm reading this for the | :55:55. | :56:03. | |
first time the Supreme Court has said the government? New rules | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
preventing people on low incomes bringing husbands and wives to the | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
UK could be compatible with human rights laws in principle. The judge | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
said the rules, the minimum income requirement, are defective, they do | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
not take sufficient account of the welfare of the children involved, | :56:22. | :56:28. | |
and different sort of incomes. British citizens can only bring in a | :56:29. | :56:34. | |
static that an income of ?18,600 or more. Rising if children are | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
involved. The seven judges said it has caused hardship to thousands of | :56:40. | :56:45. | |
couples. If you be compatible with Human Rights Act. He had a | :56:46. | :56:54. | |
legitimate aim that couples play a full part in British life, but it | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
fails if it does not take the full interest of children into primary | :57:00. | :57:08. | |
consideration. Looks like those rules may have to be amended. We | :57:09. | :57:12. | |
will talk to our correspondent live in the next few minutes, bringing | :57:13. | :57:18. | |
you the definitive ruling. Time for latest weather. | :57:19. | :57:26. | |
We're talking about Storm Doris, bringing nasty weather to the United | :57:27. | :57:31. | |
Kingdom. Looking at the satellite picture, a | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
streak of cloud in the Atlantic. This is where Doris is, nothing | :57:37. | :57:42. | |
particularly exciting in the five miles an hour wind, that the low | :57:43. | :57:49. | |
pressure will go underneath, 150 mile jet stream, a rapid fall in | :57:50. | :57:58. | |
pressure, 24 millibars in 24 hours. Meteorologists referring to this as | :57:59. | :58:01. | |
a weather bomb. It becomes Doris into tomorrow. Severe weather in to | :58:02. | :58:10. | |
parts of the United Kingdom, strong winds buffeting parts of North | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
England, North Wales, parts of northern England. Risk of snow in | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
parts of Scotland. Disruptive weather like. Here is the picture | :58:19. | :58:24. | |
through the rest of the day. Gusts reaching 70 miles an hour in the | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
Northern Isles of Scotland. Blustery showers through the north-west. | :58:29. | :58:33. | |
Quite warm in the north-east of Scotland, but the wind easing down. | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
Rain into Northern Ireland in the afternoon. North-west England, | :58:39. | :58:42. | |
pretty wet around greater Manchester and Merseyside. Rain continuing into | :58:43. | :58:50. | |
the north-west of England and Wales. Quite windy day, mild with it. | :58:51. | :58:56. | |
Temperatures around 13 degrees. Overnight, rain pepping up in | :58:57. | :58:59. | |
Northern Ireland. First signs of Doris arriving. We will see some | :59:00. | :59:06. | |
rapid pressure falls in the system, as it moves in overnight and | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
tomorrow morning. That is when we see the weather impact developing. | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
We have already seen in amber warning from the Met office. Gusts | :59:15. | :59:19. | |
of wind likely to reach 80 miles an hour in North Wales, the North of | :59:20. | :59:23. | |
England, up towards Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and the North. These | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
winds likely to cause damage and disruption if you are out and about, | :59:29. | :59:33. | |
stay tuned for the weather forecast. In the Northern edge of a weather | :59:34. | :59:38. | |
system heavy snow in the uplands. 20, 30 centimetres up here, | :59:39. | :59:42. | |
disruptive, potentially snow down to lower elevations for a time. Parts | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
of the central belt. Disruption to power and transport. Thanks to | :59:47. | :59:53. | |
Doris. Disruptive weather. Northern Ireland, heavy rain, localised | :59:54. | :59:58. | |
flooding. Further south, strong gusts of wind, 50, 60 miles an hour | :59:59. | :00:02. | |
from the strong enough to bring down tree branches. Friday looks quieter, | :00:03. | :00:09. | |
sunny spells and many of us, then the next system brings rain back | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
into the north-west of the UK. Temperature wise, between 6-10dC. | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
Looking at the storm tomorrow, storm Doris bringing a combination of | :00:19. | :00:25. | |
severe gales, damaging and disruptive, and nasty snow in high | :00:26. | :00:26. | |
parts of Scotland. Good morning. | :00:27. | :00:35. | |
It is 10am. It's Wednesday. I'm Victoria Derbyshire. The Supreme | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Court rules on whether British citizens can bring their spouses to | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
the UK. The Government won a partial victory, but judges say the current | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
rules don't look enough at the welfare of children involved. We'll | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
bring you all the details. We will be finding out how a British man and | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
terror suspect who was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee was allowed | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
it leave the UK and carry out a suicide attack in Iraq. | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
Also children who are victims of violence or sexual crimes are being | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
made to feel like criminals when they report the crimes. That's | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
according to the Victims' Commissioner, we'll speak to her and | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
a teenager who says it was' waste of time reporting what happened to him | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
to the police. Joanna is in the BBC | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
Newsroom with a summary The Supreme Court said that the | :01:25. | :01:31. | |
Government rules restricting the rules of British people to bring | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
foreign spouses into the UK are compatible with Human Rights | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
legislation in principle, but it added that the rules as they stand | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
are defective because they don't make the interests of children | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
affected by them a primary consideration. The judges' also said | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
that alternative sources of income should be taken into consideration. | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
Since 2012, people who are married to a Briton, but are from outside | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
the European Economic Area, that's the EU, plus Iceland, Liechtenstein | :01:58. | :02:01. | |
and Norway have been barred from settling here unless their partner | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
earns more than ?18600 a year. We'll get more from our | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
correspondent at the Supreme Court shortly. | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
An extra ?200 million in emergency humanitarian aid has been promised | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
by the Government to help people facing starvation in | :02:17. | :02:18. | |
The additional funds will go towards providing food, | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
water and emergency health care for more than two million people. | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
Ministers say the international response has been inadequate | :02:25. | :02:26. | |
and are urging other countries to join the effort. | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
Britain's leadership will basically mean that we'll be saving lives, | :02:32. | :02:37. | |
bringing vital assistance to people in desperate need, but also putting | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
the call out to the international community to get them to step up, to | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
galvanise their support so that we can have a strong international | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
response to what quite frankly could be a devastating humanitarian | :02:50. | :02:50. | |
crisis. A convicted murderer is on the run | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
after armed men helped him escape Shaun Walmsley, who is 28, | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
was serving a life sentence for fatally stabbing a rival drug | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
dealer in Liverpool in 2014. He fled from outside | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
Aintree University Hospital as he was getting into a car | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
with prison officers. Officers say he's dangerous and | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
the public should not approach him. It's thought that a British man, | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
who carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq for the so-called | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
Islamic State terrorist group, had previously received compensation | :03:18. | :03:19. | |
from the UK Government after being arrested | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
in Pakistan by US forces The man, whom IS called | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
Abu-Zakariya al-Britani, but who was previously known | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
as Jamal al Harith and before that Ronald Fiddler, | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
detonated a vehicle filled with explosives in a | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
village south of Mosul. In 2001, he was detained | :03:35. | :03:35. | |
in the Guantanamo Bay detention centre as a terrorism suspect, | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
but was freed in 2004 after lobbying Lloyds Banking Group has | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
reported its highest annual profit in a decade, | :03:42. | :03:51. | |
helped by a reduction in payment protection | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
insurance, PPI, provisions. Pre-tax profits increased | :03:54. | :03:56. | |
to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen The UK Government's stake in Lloyds | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
to full private ownership this year. A bull has been on the case in New | :04:06. | :04:27. | |
York, in Queen's. It gave officers the slip before it was tranquillized | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
and captured in a back gardenment an animal sanctuary offered to re-home | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
the bull, but sadly it died on the way on its way to the centre. | :04:38. | :04:45. | |
Let's go live to the Supreme Court, we have had the ruling that the | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
minimum income requirement, that threshold of ?18600, according to | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
the Supreme Court judges' is compatible with Human Rights ledge | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
slags, but the rules don't take into account children enough. Fill us in | :04:57. | :05:05. | |
Dominic? We're in legal PhD territory. It is a complicated | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
ruling. In short, the claimants, the couples who said they were divided | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
by this controversial ruling since 2012, in technical legal terms they | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
have won their appeal, but broadly speaking from the Supreme Court said | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
is that the Home Office is objective of using a minimum income system to | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
control who comes into the UK is lawful. It does stand the test of | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
time and they haven't suggested it should be knocked out by a fresh, a | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
re-think by Parliament. Now, in short, what they've said is the | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
problem with it is how this applies to children. They have said that | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
immigration officers aren't effectively given any guidance about | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
how they should take into account the rights of children. Secondly, a | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
broader question about how you assess what a couple's income S let | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
me go back a step and explain what the rule is. In essence a couple who | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
want to settle in the UK where one partner is born outside of Europe | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
and the other is a British citizen or a settled refugee, the partner | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
here in the UK, they have to have a minimum income of ?18600, that rises | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
if they have children. And that income is effectively the | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
sponsorship of the partner they want to bring in. Irrespective of how | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
much the other partner earnings. Partner earns. Thousands of | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
claimants said it is a jolly unfair system, but the Supreme Court said | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
it is not. It is legitimate even it does have a harsh effect. This is | :06:34. | :06:41. | |
really complicated. I've got Nicola Burgess who has been involved with | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
this case from the beginning. Nicola, is this a win, a loss or a | :06:45. | :06:50. | |
score draw? Well, we consider it to be a win. We're delighted by the | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
judgement. Thousands of people have been affected by this unfair rule | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
and that includes British citizens and British children. JCWI have been | :06:58. | :07:04. | |
campaigning against the rules since its inception almost five years ago. | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
We've compiled a report which was referred to in the judgement which | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
documented the impact on children who have been separated from a | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
parent. And that detailed the emotional and psychological harm | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
that's been caused by this unfair and unflexible rule. A rule that 41% | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
of the UK's population couldn't satisfy. The court acknowledged that | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
it caused significant hardship to many people and sadly will continue | :07:29. | :07:33. | |
to do so. However, what's important is the judges' findings. That how | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
has to be implemented by the Government. So moving forward, they | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
do have to take into account the best interests of children, that has | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
to be the post-roomry attention. But the whole thing could end up with no | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
real change to many families. What the court has said the fact is in | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
their words it does cause hardship to many families, but it is not | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
incompatible with Human Rights law, and what they have said is go back, | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
tweak the rules and in many cases, you're going to have thousands, or | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
potentially of thousands of families, you tell me, who still | :08:05. | :08:07. | |
won't come up above the minimum income threshold that the Home | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
Office has set. In essence that feels like it's a Government | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
victory? No, I would disagree. There is a benefit to thousands of | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
families including those with children. The Government must | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
implement a wider balance. It has to be a fair balance between the rights | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
of individuals and the public interest. Am I right in saying some | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
of the families that have been affected have been in bizarre | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
circumstances so to speak where you have had a partner outside the UK | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
who is earning more than the partner inside the UK? Exactly. The unfair | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
position before today's judgement was that the future earn power could | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
not be taken into account. The court has now opened the door for the | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
Government to revisit that, so alternative sources of income can be | :08:52. | :08:54. | |
taken into account. There is a long way to go on the story. Nicola, | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
thank you very much. What will happen now is the Home Office will | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
have to consider its response and how it's going to tweak the rules to | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
comply with what the Supreme Court has said. In essence that will mean | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
probably a lot of these cases will end back up in immigration tribunals | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
and back in the courts whilst they try and thrash out whether or not | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
couples can settle legally here in the UK. Thank you very much, | :09:19. | :09:20. | |
Dominic. The former England cricketer | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
Ryan Sidebottom will retire at the end of next season after 20 | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
years of first class cricket. He's taken over 1,000 wickets, | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
won five county championships, He joins me now | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
from our Leeds studio. Ryan, it is so good to have you with | :09:35. | :09:47. | |
us. Now, I know you've got a few matches to go. You've got a few | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
matches to play, but what memories... Just a few. What | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
memories will you take away from the sport? Lots of fond memories. I have | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
been very fortunate throughout my career to play 20 years, to be able | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
to hang my boots up and retire on my terms, obviously, I'm very happy and | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
very proud, but I think just lots of great memories, winning trophies, | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
representing my country and my county, playing for Nottinghamshire | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
also, and making, you know, making numerous amounts of friends and | :10:18. | :10:23. | |
playing against and with my heroes. Those are the stand-out memories. | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
Very, lucky and very fortunate. Bowling, it not easy on the body, | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
but your numbers suggest that you're still competing as much as you ever | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
did. How can you kept your body in shape? A little bit more rest. A | :10:37. | :10:43. | |
very understanding coach. With me being a senior bowler I suppose he | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
looks at me and I get get to use the stripes on my sleeve and get a few | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
extra days off. Ice baths, I do a lot of yoga. I try and keep myself | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
as fit and as healthy as possible. Everyone is so young. I think | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
they're all out of nappies! They keep me young and fresh and young at | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
heart. I'm sure you witnessed the game | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
change a lot during your career and the England side probably changed a | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
lot during your time and now we have Joe Root who is the new captain to | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
lead the team forward, do you think he's the right man for the job? Most | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
definitely. Look, Joe Root is a great player. He has achieved so | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
much in a short space of time. This England team are very exciting. | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
They're still very youthful and they're learning every day. They're | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
getting better and better and very strong as a team and as a unit and I | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
think Joe inherited a very good side. I think under Joe it will | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
bring more of an exciting brand of cricket and the way he plays. He's | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
very mature and knows the game inside out and very knowledgeable so | :11:50. | :11:52. | |
I'm really looking forward too Joe's tenure as captain. I think it is | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
exciting times ahead for England. Now, I hear once you retire, you | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
might go into property development which reminds me of another | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
ex-sportsman, Dion Dublin, could we see you popping up on Homes Under | :12:06. | :12:12. | |
The Hammer? I might walk around with Dion and hold his hand for a few | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
episodes. I will do something different. I'm very excited about, | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
you know, getting a sledgehammer, you know, develop property, | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
something I really love. I like the textures and furnishings and stuff | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
like that. I love walking around shops and looking at things and | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
trying to bring colour to the houses. So I'm, that's something | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
away from the game. It is another love of mine and I suppose when I | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
finish I will look back with fondness, but it is another story, | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
another chapter. Ryan, thank you for talking to us. That's all the sport | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
for now, Victoria. Cheers Jess, cheers, Ryan. Thank you | :12:50. | :12:51. | |
for coming on the programme. Let's get more on the Supreme Court | :12:52. | :13:01. | |
ruling on spouse visas. Judges ruled the income threshold is fair, but | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
ministers must do more to consider the children. | :13:07. | :13:18. | |
Sophie Barrett-Brown is here. She lobbied to change the legislation on | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
the minimum income requirement. It looks like you have failed. How do | :13:24. | :13:29. | |
you respond? Well, it is hugely it is appointing for all the families | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
involved and for everyone involved in the lobbying in the case, but | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
there are some hopeful elements. We need to look at the judgement in | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
detail. But there is acknowledgement that it is inadequate in how it | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
deals with the rights of children and we need to see changes happening | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
so the rules don't operate in a Draconian way. The threshold stays? | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
It stays, but in relation how they can deal with exceptionality, this | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
is where there could be scope. We have got to look at the judgement in | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
detail, but there is no doubt that it doesn't take adequate account of | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
the interests of the child and their obligations to take account of the | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
factors. The way they deal with those issues is inadequate. | :14:12. | :14:23. | |
Wayne, what's your reaction? The Home Office | :14:24. | :14:39. | |
said to my wife The interests of the child has to be one of the primary | :14:40. | :14:46. | |
considerations which it has to be. The Home Office ignored that | :14:47. | :14:48. | |
requirement. If there is this should be refusing | :14:49. | :15:24. | |
us. Not entirely a loss, children are the real losers. Single-parent | :15:25. | :15:35. | |
families. The main aim is that because family life should not be | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
created at the taxpayers' expense. The government have mentioned that | :15:41. | :15:47. | |
aim. When spouses are here, there is an attachment they are not allowed | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
public funds. They have to pay in NHS surcharge, not taking out of the | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
NHS, paying towards the NHS anyway every time we apply for a Visa. | :15:58. | :16:05. | |
Every time parents come, there are children, they should be entitled to | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
two parents. Established point of EU law, child is entitled to two | :16:12. | :16:19. | |
parents in direct contact. Wayne circumnavigated the legislation. | :16:20. | :16:29. | |
There is a route affecting British citizen so they are treated like an | :16:30. | :16:33. | |
EU citizen. EU citizens do not have to meet the | :16:34. | :16:39. | |
minimum threshold. They can live elsewhere in the EU, and return to | :16:40. | :16:46. | |
the UK. But those rules have become increasingly prospective. Many would | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
argue is unlawful under EU law. Since November 20 16, one cannot use | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
that role if it is for the purpose of circumventing the Jewish | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
immigration rules. It may become much more difficult. You effectively | :17:02. | :17:08. | |
moved to Ireland, which is an EU member, with your wife, lived there | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
for three months, worked there for three months, then came back to | :17:12. | :17:17. | |
Britain. We moved to Ireland. I have lived and worked in the EU before, | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
lived in Finland in 2004, working for a business. I have already lived | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
in the EU. I should have been treated as an EU citizen anyway. I | :17:30. | :17:36. | |
was trading across the EU. It helps your wife, originally from | :17:37. | :17:44. | |
Indonesia. Final thought. The Home Office will have to tweak the rules. | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
What will it mean for those waiting to find out whether the spouse could | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
not? More delay and anxiety. Don't see this being the end of the | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
matter, the lobbying will continue. It is not about the minimum income, | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
it is about how the rule is applied. The evidence required, making it an | :18:05. | :18:08. | |
extraordinary hurdle to overcome. You cannot combine incomes, you | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
cannot count the income of the spouse coming. These are features | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
where we can seek to have some changes made. News coming into us. | :18:16. | :18:26. | |
The BBC announcing it is to create a new channel for Scotland, part of | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
plan on seeing the biggest single investment in the Corporation north | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
of the border for 20 years. A new TV channel for Scotland, which would | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
see the biggest single investment in the corporation in Scotland for more | :18:41. | :18:41. | |
than two decades. Twenty years on from her tragic | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
death, a new exhibition is being opened in London | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
to celebrate the life of Princess Diana, and some | :18:48. | :18:49. | |
of her trend-setting fashions. We'll get a sneak peek of the show | :18:50. | :18:52. | |
before it opens on Friday. How was a British man, | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
who was a former Guantanamo Bay detainee, allowed to leave the UK | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
and carry out a suicide attack for the so called | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
Islamic State group? He's from Manchester and is also | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
known as Abu-Zakariya al-Britani He is believed to have carried | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
out a suicide bombing This final photograph shows him | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
grinning, reportedly on his way Fiddler was born in Manchester | :19:23. | :19:30. | |
in 1966 to parents of Jamaican origin It's thought he converted | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
to Islam in the 1990s. He worked as a web designer before | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
he travelled to Pakistan for he what he claimed | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
was a religious holiday, shortly He was arrested in Pakistan | :19:45. | :19:46. | |
and transferred to Fiddler was held there for two years | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
before being repatriated to Britain in 2004 and released without charge | :19:53. | :20:01. | |
- reportedly winning compensation Ten years later, in April 2014, | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
Ronald fiddler travelled to Turkey and then to Syria to join | :20:05. | :20:21. | |
the so called Islamic State His wife told the Daily Mirror | :20:22. | :20:23. | |
newspaper that she and their five children went to Syria | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
try to persuade him to come back, but failed, and they ended up having | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
to flee for their lives With me is Arthur Snell who was head | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
of the Prevent programme - the initiative aimed at preventing | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
violent extremism - he worked at the foreign | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
office from 2008-2011 and in Central London, | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
we're joined by Lord Carlile, former independent reviewer | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
of terrorism legislation How was this man able to leave the | :20:57. | :21:09. | |
country? A very good question, this is a high-profile individual, | :21:10. | :21:18. | |
everybody knew about him, when he came back from Grant and obey there | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
was a lot of media coverage. There is a gap in the story, the | :21:22. | :21:24. | |
authorities lost track of him, at the point he decided to go to Syria, | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
nobody stopped in doing that. There are number of British citizens, | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
residents, released from Guantanamo Bay. When they were back in the | :21:35. | :21:42. | |
country, where they covertly monitored by security services? | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
Those details are not released. Intelligence services and police | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
have a duty to keep tabs on people who could be a threat to the public | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
in one way or another. IS did not exist when he returned from | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
Guantanamo Bay. The organisation before it was Al-Qaeda, it involves, | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
morphed. He could have been radicalised in the last three, four | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
years. It is open to question. Looking back is to be. Ambiguous | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
someone would take a holiday after the 9/11 attacks in Pakistan. A | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
religious holiday. I am not in position to judge whether that is | :22:27. | :22:28. | |
correct. There is certainly ambiguity. The US and Nancy had | :22:29. | :22:37. | |
senior links to Al-Qaeda members. That has not been verified, could be | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
possible. If there was evidence, he could have been put on trial after | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
Guantanamo Bay? That has been one of the problems. The UK decided it did | :22:47. | :22:53. | |
not agree with the Guantanamo Bay system. To get the standard of legal | :22:54. | :23:00. | |
evidence to win the trial is much harder, than the intelligence | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
information you would not want to reveal in open court. Let's bring in | :23:03. | :23:08. | |
Lord Carlile, former independent reviewer of terrorism, and | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
crossbench peer. Some British taxpayers will feel that he was paid | :23:15. | :23:22. | |
over ?1 million in compensation for alleged British complicity in | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
torture at Guantanamo Bay. Was that fair? First of all, I don't know. I | :23:27. | :23:35. | |
don't believe anybody who knows something about the case knows how | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
much he was paid. That was in the media. He was paid a substantial | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
amount of money. He tried to bring in action in the United States, on | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
national security grounds he was not able to make any progress, or | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
maintain damages. In the United Kingdom, the rules of disclosure | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
from the defendant, the British government, and the claimant, are | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
different. National security material would have had to been | :24:06. | :24:11. | |
disclosed, according including to him, if the case was to go further. | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
Quite rightly, the government decided it was not going to disclose | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
such material either to him or anyone else in a similar position. | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
It did mean that the only alternative was to pay some money. | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
That is why the money was paid, and we have to examine whether we can | :24:29. | :24:35. | |
improve that system to make it more like the United States physicians so | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
we are not face of the situation again. Ronald Fiddler could spend | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
that money on anything he wanted to, including giving it to IS. He could, | :24:44. | :24:50. | |
once it is his money, he could spend it, subject to him spending it | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
lawfully. If he spends it unlawfully, the relevant control | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
authorities would have been able to detect that. It looks as if he went | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
quiet for a considerable period. How surprised are you that he was able | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
to leave Britain, to travel to Syria, via Turkey? I am surprised he | :25:12. | :25:20. | |
was able to leave Britain. It shows that the lists of people, the red | :25:21. | :25:26. | |
flagging people, who have terrorist connections, is not as robust as it | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
should be. It has worked, generally speaking. This man slipped through | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
the net. On the other side of the coin, one has to be thankful he was | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
not going to be able to carry terrorist acts in the United | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
Kingdom, because it is very difficult to do that. At the time, | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
the then Home Secretary, Labour's David Blunkett, said those released | :25:50. | :25:56. | |
from Guantanamo Bay, British citizens, released early in the last | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
decade, were not a security risk. He may not have been a security risk | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
event for me could have been radicalised in recent years. You as | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
an independent reviewer of terrorist legislation would have expected him | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
to be monitored by security services? I would have expected him | :26:15. | :26:20. | |
to be monitored on his return. What David Blunkett said is what he | :26:21. | :26:26. | |
believes, based on the advice he received at the time. A lot has | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
happened since Ronald Fiddler returned to the United Kingdom. What | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
one would expect is for the police and other agencies to keep an eye on | :26:36. | :26:39. | |
him, until such time as they thought he presented no danger. It looks as | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
if he laid low for a considerable period, possibly because he | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
recovered a lot of compensation, and was quietly working his way through | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
it. Reactivating his radical instincts and tendencies, leaving | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
the country as he did. We cannot possibly expect realistically for | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
everybody who returns to be followed for every minute of their time. We | :27:06. | :27:09. | |
cannot incarcerate them unless they have committed during all offences, | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
which have to be proved to a high criminal standard in front of a | :27:16. | :27:25. | |
British jury. Is there some sort of lesson here to the authorities in | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
this country for so getting the evidence is a really good idea, | :27:31. | :27:34. | |
because you can put it in front of a jury? Clearly, as Lord Carlile has | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
said, lots of people have been prevented from travelling to Syria. | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
This case is clearly a failure. A big challenge on the question of | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
evidence. The standard of evidence in criminal court is very high, the | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
way it should be. People do not want to live in a police state where | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
everyone is followed around. Equally in some cases, the any material you | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
have that demonstrates what people abruptly comes from intelligence | :28:06. | :28:07. | |
which cannot be revealed in this context. Thank you very much. | :28:08. | :28:15. | |
This e-mail from Rebecca, who wants to share experience of the UK's | :28:16. | :28:24. | |
immigration policy. In light of that ruling from the Supreme Court in the | :28:25. | :28:32. | |
last 24 hours. My husband, from New Zealand and I returned to the UK | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
from Germany. My husband had a job paying ?70,000, and I was | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
self-employed, 30 weeks pregnant. I did not meet the requirements for | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
the threshold, we were only able to settle back into the UK through be | :28:48. | :28:54. | |
used loophole. -- through the E used loophole. This directive does not | :28:55. | :29:12. | |
favour a woman, possibly one planning on having children. It is | :29:13. | :29:14. | |
incompatible with a woman's reality. I've never heard of a woman having a | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
pay rise when having a child. We now live in Madrid, we can live here | :29:21. | :29:25. | |
without issue. I feel completely unwelcome in my home country. The | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
Home Office needs to get back to basics, recognising the hardship it | :29:32. | :29:37. | |
causes, and take into account the joint income into account. | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
Ever since her first public appearance in the 1980s, | :29:42. | :29:43. | |
Princess Diana captivated the world's attention as a princess, | :29:44. | :29:45. | |
Twenty years after her tragic death, there's a new exhibition opening | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
in London to celebrate her life and her trend-setting fashions. | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
Today we're taking a sneak peek at the show before | :29:53. | :29:54. | |
Our reporter Kathryn Stanczyszyn is at Kensington Palace for us, | :29:55. | :30:09. | |
This special exhibition is marking 20 years since the death of the | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
Princess of Wales and it is doing it through fashion, marking from when | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
she was a young debutant, a teenager into 1979 up to her death in 1997 | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
and it features some stunning outfits. Outfits like this one | :30:27. | :30:34. | |
behind me. She was photographed in this in 1990 at Leicester Square at | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
an official visit. Just the detail on there, beautiful dresses there, | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
that span all the way through five rooms of these dresses. She was one | :30:45. | :30:47. | |
of the most photographed women in the world. Long before social media | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
and instant photographs, but people scrutinised her completely, she was, | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
you know, very much watched and her journey through her life was marked | :30:58. | :31:02. | |
through some of her fashion choices. Some of the very famous dresses are, | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
you know, amongst the ones that you remembered from your childhood. This | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
one for instance, she wore to go to the White House and she danced with | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
John Travolta, a moment that's iconic. I'm here with the curator of | :31:18. | :31:25. | |
this exhibition. There has been a huge amount of interest in this? | :31:26. | :31:32. | |
Yes, 2017 marks the 20th anniversary of the death of the Princess of | :31:33. | :31:37. | |
Wales. We receive so many visitors here because it was her former home. | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
We wanted to celebrate her life with an exhibition. She didn't like to be | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
known as a clothes horse actually, but she did understand the language | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
of fashion very well and used it do the job at hand and certainly in her | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
role as princess and ambassador for British fashion and for Britain, we | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
see some of her most Regal gowns. Staff say the phones have been | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
ringing off the hook. Tell us more about this dress. This is one that | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
people will remember? This is a highlight of the exhibition. People | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
think they know it from photographs, but photographs don't do it justice. | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
To see it in the flesh, you understand what a masterclass in | :32:20. | :32:28. | |
design. It has this velvet bodice which should look chunky, but | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
doesn't. It is a classical dress, but it was north nat she was wearing | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
it to the White House in 1985, she didn't know she was going to be | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
dancing with John Travolta. It took a while for him to pluck up the | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
courage to ask her, but they danced for half an hour, the skirt really | :32:46. | :32:49. | |
twirls up as she were spinning around the dance floor. I know that | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
the designer said it felt like a moment that she did become a very | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
elegant woman because before that, she had worn a lot of more girlish | :32:58. | :33:03. | |
outfits? I think that's right. I think in the mid-80s you see a real | :33:04. | :33:10. | |
step change as she moves away from the cluttered, frilly dresses and | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
develops a sophisticated style of dressing. This next dress, I've got | :33:17. | :33:24. | |
to move on to this. This is known as the Elvis dress? It wasn't designed | :33:25. | :33:33. | |
to resemble one of Elvis' jumpsuits. Catherine Walker designed if for an | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
official visit to Hong Kong in 1989. I mean it is in that Royal tradition | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
of dress making that Catherine Walker was so good at. But Diana | :33:43. | :33:49. | |
looked ray dent and Walker said she wanted Diana to feel great in what | :33:50. | :33:52. | |
she was wearing. This dress is covered in 20,000 pearls and the | :33:53. | :33:59. | |
weight of it is really incredible. But Diana looked fantastically | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
radiant in it. Some of her favourite designers, 11 designers represented | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
here throughout the five rooms. It opens at 10am on Friday morning and | :34:08. | :34:11. | |
it will be here for the next two years. Cheers, Catherine. Thank you | :34:12. | :34:13. | |
very much. Still to come, are victims of crime | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
being made to look like criminals? That's the view of the victim's | :34:19. | :34:21. | |
commissioner Baroness Newlove. We'll be speaking to her | :34:22. | :34:23. | |
on this programme shortly. And we'll find out more about the UK | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
Government's promise to help half a million children in South Sudan | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
and Somalia, who are at risk Here's Joanna in the BBC Newsroom | :34:32. | :34:33. | |
with a summary of today's news. In the last hour, | :34:34. | :34:45. | |
the Supreme Court has said that government rules restricting | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
the right of British people to bring foreign spouses into the UK | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
are compatible with human rights But it added that the rules | :34:55. | :34:56. | |
as they stand are defective because they don't make | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
the interests of children affected The judges ruled that the rules as | :35:01. | :35:07. | |
they stand are defective and need to be changed because they don't take | :35:08. | :35:10. | |
enough account of the welfare of children affected by them and don't | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
take all sources of earnings into consideration when calculating | :35:16. | :35:17. | |
income. Despite the ruling in favour of the Government, campaign, are | :35:18. | :35:19. | |
hailing it as a victory. Thousands of people have been | :35:20. | :35:30. | |
affected by this unfair rule. JCWR have been campaigning against the | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
rules since its inception almost five years ago. We've compiled a | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
report which was referred to in the judgement which documented the | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
impact on children who have been separated from a parent and that | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
detailed the emotional and psychological harm that's been | :35:46. | :35:48. | |
caused by this unfair and unflexible rule. A rule that 41% of the UK's | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
population couldn't even satisfy. The court also acknowledged that it | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
has caused significant hardship to many people and sadly will continue | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
to do so. However, what's important is the judges' findings. That now | :36:03. | :36:06. | |
has to be implemented by the Government. So moving forward, they | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
do have to take into account the best interests of children. That has | :36:11. | :36:11. | |
to be the primary attention. An extra ?200 million in emergency | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
humanitarian aid has been promised by the Government to help people | :36:18. | :36:19. | |
facing starvation in The additional funds will go | :36:20. | :36:22. | |
towards providing food, water and emergency healthcare | :36:23. | :36:25. | |
for more than two million people. Ministers say the international | :36:26. | :36:27. | |
response has been inadequate and are urging other countries | :36:28. | :36:29. | |
to join the effort. A convicted murderer is on the run | :36:30. | :36:33. | |
after armed men helped him escape Shaun Walmsley, who is 28, | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
was serving a life sentence for fatally stabbing a rival drug | :36:37. | :36:42. | |
dealer in Liverpool in 2014. He fled from outside | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
Aintree University Hospital as he was getting into a car | :36:46. | :36:48. | |
with prison officers. Officers say he's dangerous and | :36:49. | :36:50. | |
the public should not approach him. Lloyds Banking Group has | :36:51. | :36:59. | |
reported its highest annual profit in a decade, | :37:00. | :37:00. | |
helped by a reduction in payment protection | :37:01. | :37:02. | |
insurance, PPI, provisions. Pre-tax profits increased | :37:03. | :37:04. | |
to ?4.24 billion, a level last seen The UK Government's stake in Lloyds | :37:05. | :37:06. | |
has now fallen below 5% and it has said it wants to return the bank | :37:07. | :37:11. | |
to full private ownership this year. Join me for BBC | :37:12. | :37:22. | |
Newsroom live at 11am. Manchester City manager | :37:23. | :37:28. | |
Pep Guardiola says his side must score in the return leg | :37:29. | :37:40. | |
of their Champions League City came from behind twice | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
to beat the French league leaders 5-3 last night, | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
but says they won't progress unless they counter | :37:47. | :37:48. | |
Monaco's attacking tactics. Meanwhile on the other side | :37:49. | :37:50. | |
of Manchester, United boss Jose Mourinho, says he can't | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
guarantee record goal scorer Wayne Rooney will be | :37:57. | :37:58. | |
at the club next season. The striker has been linked with | :37:59. | :38:00. | |
a move to the Chinese Super League. Wing George North has recovered | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
from a bruised thigh to start for Wales in Saturday's Six Nations | :38:05. | :38:06. | |
match against Scotland Ryan Sidebottom will end his 20-year | :38:07. | :38:09. | |
professional cricket career The Yorkshire fast bowler has won | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
the County Championship five times, and won the T20 World Cup | :38:14. | :38:24. | |
with England in 2010. The Director-General of the BBC has | :38:25. | :38:31. | |
announced that a new TV Channel is to created in Scotland to begin | :38:32. | :38:33. | |
broadcasting in autumn 2018. The channel will have a budget | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
of ?30 million, equivalent The plans for the channel include | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
a Scottish news hour at 9pm. Let's get more from our | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
Scotland Correspondent Lorna Gordon. We can also speak to | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
SNP MP John Nicolson, he sits on the Culture, | :38:48. | :38:49. | |
Media and Sport select committee and is a former Scottish | :38:50. | :38:51. | |
television presenter. Right, Lorna, give us the details. | :38:52. | :39:01. | |
This news has taken everybody by surprise. It has been very, a very | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
well kept secret. There will be a new channel on the digital spectrum | :39:08. | :39:11. | |
that will broadcast Scottish content. It'll have a budget of | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
about ?30 million a year, that's equivalent to BBC Four. It will run | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
from 7pm to midnight. They aim to launch it in August 2018. It will be | :39:23. | :39:27. | |
a mixture of drama and entertainment, documentaries, and it | :39:28. | :39:30. | |
will also have an integrated news hour that will run at 9pm. Everybody | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
is still digesting the news, but certainly, on social media, it is so | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
far at least getting a very warm reception. | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
OK. You probably won't know this yet, Lorna l it have a different | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
drama and entertainment who what's going on on BBC One or BBC Two? My | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
understanding is that BBC One will stay the same as and what will | :39:58. | :40:02. | |
happen se BBC Scotland opts that currently happen on BBC Two will | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
switch to this new channel, but there will be new original content | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
as well, if you look at that ?30 million budget, around ?19 million | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
is new investment, ?11 million has been used to create programming here | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
in Scotland and of course, there is a job knock-on as well. We're | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
talking about 80 new jobs in the newsroom up here in Scotland. People | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
are welcoming that. Saying it will be a good chance to develop talent | :40:30. | :40:33. | |
here in Scotland and retain talent here in Scotland and of course, | :40:34. | :40:40. | |
there will be a number of other jobs elsewhere in this building here in | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
Glasgow to do with the five hours of programming that with start, we | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
think, in August 2018. John Nicholson, how do you react to this, | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
good morning? Good morning. Well I'm delighted whenever I hear there are | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
going to be new jobs, that's an excellent thing and we welcome the | :40:56. | :40:58. | |
new channel. We welcome the extra vement and of course, we welcome the | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
extra ?1 million for the Gaelic language, but what Lorna didn't | :41:04. | :41:06. | |
mention there was hand and glove with this announcement is another | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
announcement which is that the BBC is going to kill off the prospects | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
of a separate Scotch 6pm news on BBC One which the BBC has been piloting | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
over the last year and I'm disappointed about that because, of | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
course, it's great to have a separate Scottish nine o'clock news, | :41:26. | :41:31. | |
but I think it is very important to have a Six O'Clock News on BBC One. | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
Why? Well, you just have to watch the running order of the main BBC | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
News and quite often the they will lead on an English story and there | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
will be an English trap story... But you'll get Scottish news at 9pm Let | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
me finish the question you asked me. So the main Six O'Clock News coming | :41:53. | :41:57. | |
from London will have three English stories in its running order and | :41:58. | :41:59. | |
that's great for the people of England, but it is not good for the | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
people of Scotland on their main channel. They want to see a mix of | :42:03. | :42:09. | |
national, international, and UK news based on normal news merit. | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
Do you think this creation of a channel then is a sop because there | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
isn't going to be a Scottish Six O'Clock News on BBC One? Well, I | :42:19. | :42:21. | |
think obviously there will be some people who say that. I think it's | :42:22. | :42:24. | |
great that there is a new channel and of course, what this has proved | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
is that all those people who criticise BBC Scotland journalism, | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
who said that it was technically impossible for them to put together | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
an hour long news programme have been proved to be entirely wrong. | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
This shows that BBC Scotland can do this. It has got the journalistic | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
quality to deliver this product. I just think it should be on BBC One. | :42:46. | :42:52. | |
What sort of awed ynss do you imagine there would be, Mr | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
Nicholson, between 7pm and midnight, BBC Scotland channel? Well, there is | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
the rub. Inevitably a new channel always has difficulty launching and | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
attracting viewers. We'll have to monitor this. I just heard this | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
announcement like you in the last half an hour. So, I'm not quite sure | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
what audience figures the BBC anticipates, but obviously the | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
channel is only going to be running for a few hours every evening. It | :43:18. | :43:23. | |
will be a brand-new channel and it will have to establish its identity | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
and get consumer loyalty to it. This is another reason I think the | :43:28. | :43:31. | |
Scottish six was important. Everybody knows where BBC One is and | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
that's why it was vital, I think, that the Scottish six should replace | :43:36. | :43:39. | |
the current six and I think the BBC I'm afraid has missed an opportunity | :43:40. | :43:42. | |
to deliver for the people of Scotland here on that specific | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
issue. Thank you very much. Thank you, John Nicholson, SNP, MP and | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
Lorna Gordon, our Scotland correspondent. More on BBC News | :43:51. | :43:51. | |
throughout the day on that story. Victims of crimes being made | :43:52. | :43:57. | |
to feel like criminals. That's what the victims' | :43:58. | :43:59. | |
commissioner Baroness Newlowe says That's what the victims' | :44:00. | :44:04. | |
commissioner Baroness Newlove says is happening to children, | :44:05. | :44:06. | |
when they report violent She's warning that too often they're | :44:07. | :44:08. | |
not taken seriously, accused of wasting police time | :44:09. | :44:13. | |
or simply not believed. He reported an assault | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
to police two years ago. Tell us about the young people you | :44:21. | :44:29. | |
spoke to and what experiences they were recounting? They were | :44:30. | :44:32. | |
experiencing not feeling believed. They didn't get the right | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
information when they were told. Police didn't deliver anything back | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
to them. Some people just felt that they were one young victim felt that | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
while she was in this, you know, in an interview room it felt like, she | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
was in a padded cell. So, because of their age, they didn't feel they | :44:53. | :44:55. | |
were believed and didn't have any confidence, but more importantly | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
they weren't getting the right entitlements as set out in the | :45:00. | :45:02. | |
victims' code. These were in some cases, some serious crimes that they | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
were alleging, weren't they? You have rape victims and sexual abuse | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
victims. We're not talking, and I don't like the words lower level, | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
but these were serious crimes and we have got to gain confidence and | :45:15. | :45:17. | |
children need to have that confidence to come forward. | :45:18. | :45:21. | |
Do you accept that some progress has been made in recent years with the | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
way the police particularly when it comes to sexual offences crimes, | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
approach alleged victims? Well, if you look at this review, it doesn't | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
really stand out as if it is that. I think we're raising more awareness. | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
It is a small number of children. It is a small number of children, but | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
they are not the most easiest to have a conversation and I don't want | :45:43. | :45:45. | |
to retraumatise them. What highlights in the review is the | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
policies are not fit for purpose and the culture needs to shift from a | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
lot more quicker, we have a landscape of child sexual abuse and | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
we need to ensure that these victims feel that they are being recognised | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
and being understood even though they are children. | :46:00. | :46:07. | |
If you run your way home from school, attacked by an 18-year-old | :46:08. | :46:18. | |
on the bus? What happened? I was on my way home, got approached by an | :46:19. | :46:25. | |
18-year-old, sorting me on the bus. My face was busted up, rushed to | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
hospital. -- assaulting me. The police came to hospital, saying they | :46:31. | :46:35. | |
would get back to me, they did, took mugshots. From them, they have never | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
got back to me since. Quite devastating, I thought I could trust | :46:42. | :46:47. | |
them to help me. They just left it. Taking it seriously, taking pictures | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
of the injuries, you thought they would go away and investigate, but | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
absolutely nothing? Did you try to contact them? We contacted them, | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
they did not come back, just left it. As if it was rubbish. A couple | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
of months ago, picking up your little brother from school, | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
effectively a gang pulled a knife on you? No. Sorry, I have made a | :47:13. | :47:24. | |
mistake, that are not happen. Do you have any faith in the police? Not | :47:25. | :47:31. | |
really. I see it as, they are there to help you, when it comes to young | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
people, they do not take us seriously. We are partly to blame, | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
we do things to give them because to think and why should we help you? At | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
the same time, we are all equal. They should help us. They don't | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
really do that? There are loads of police officers that treat children | :47:53. | :47:58. | |
with respect, investigating claims thoroughly. We cannot generalise? We | :47:59. | :48:08. | |
cannot generalise, but the review showed they are not adhering to the | :48:09. | :48:17. | |
victims code. Most things that irritates people are communication. | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
If you report the crime can you expect them to come back and help. | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
If they're going to charge, not charge. They should never be left to | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
think what is going on? Even if the police contacted you, saying we | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
cannot go anywhere with this, I am sorry, to let you know it will we | :48:38. | :48:40. | |
are closing the file, that been something? The least I would have | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
been informed, and no. Pulling you do not that. If you found yourself | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
in the same scenario again, assaulted on a bus? Would you report | :48:51. | :48:57. | |
it first they say you should. I don't think I would. I don't know | :48:58. | :49:06. | |
what they are going to do. I have done it once, did not get back to | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
me, why should I do it again? Shaking your head? I am disgusted, | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
some of the victims we have interviewed said the same. They | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
would not come forward again. We're hearing continuously ever abused | :49:20. | :49:28. | |
children. That is not what I wanted the review to do. My daughters went | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
through the criminal justice system, I wanted to see if it was any better | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
ten years later. I am disgusted, if children come to who are harmed, | :49:39. | :49:43. | |
rates, sexually abused, these are serious crimes, they should be put | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
there, giving entitlements. It is part of their recovery. You cannot | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
just leave them, feeling it is their fault. And have no confidence to | :49:52. | :49:54. | |
come forward. Thank you very much. The government has promised ?200 | :49:55. | :50:18. | |
million for emergency aid for South Sudan. | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
It comes after a state of famine was declared | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
in parts of the country, the first to be announced in any | :50:28. | :50:30. | |
part of the world since 2011. According to the United Nations | :50:31. | :50:33. | |
and the South Sudanese government, the famine is affecting around | :50:34. | :50:35. | |
100 thousand people. Just under five million - | :50:36. | :50:37. | |
40% of the population - are in urgent need of food. | :50:38. | :50:40. | |
South Sudan is the world's newest country - it gained independence | :50:41. | :50:42. | |
from Sudan six years ago, but hopes of prosperity have been | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
shattered by three years of civil war and economic collapse. | :50:46. | :50:56. | |
Lily, the introduction makes clear how serious this is. Give our | :50:57. | :51:05. | |
audience an insight into the kind of people you are trying to help? We | :51:06. | :51:11. | |
have Unicef colleagues of mine, working on warning for months that | :51:12. | :51:17. | |
the food and security situation in South Sudan and surrounding | :51:18. | :51:24. | |
countries has become severe. Families with children not knowing | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
where the next meal is coming from. Having to exist on whatever they can | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
come across. Many children severely malnourished. We are reaching some | :51:33. | :51:38. | |
of those children with therapeutic food. We're doing that with | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
thousands of children. We have now reached a severe situation, | :51:45. | :51:50. | |
officially there is famine, and areas so affected by the conflict, | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
so insecure, we can't even reach them. When you say officially there | :51:55. | :52:00. | |
is famine, what criteria needs to be met? Sounds like a brutal question, | :52:01. | :52:07. | |
but for our audience, what criteria for an official famine? The criteria | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
means people are starving to death. High-level malnutrition in infants, | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
we expect them to die from starvation. Goes beyond in security | :52:17. | :52:25. | |
and malnutrition. We know that is in one state in South Sudan, a disaster | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
for that state, because we cannot reach the children at the moment. | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
What is even more worrying, we think the situation could easily spread if | :52:34. | :52:38. | |
we're not able to act quickly emergency humanitarian health. | :52:39. | :52:45. | |
Across the rest of the South Sudan, Somalia, countries like Yemen and | :52:46. | :52:50. | |
Nigeria, affected by conflict, there are 1.5 million children who could | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
be in that situation very soon. Places that do not make the | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
headlines, we don't hear about them very often. We want the eyes of the | :52:59. | :53:03. | |
world to focus on these areas, and realise just how much of an | :53:04. | :53:07. | |
emergency these children are facing. We can talk to Emma in South Sudan, | :53:08. | :53:15. | |
on the ground. She works for Oxfam. Can you hear me? Telus about the | :53:16. | :53:24. | |
work you are trying to do. We have teams in the affected areas, | :53:25. | :53:36. | |
providing nutrition, and also water. This before affected populations. -- | :53:37. | :53:44. | |
this is for. Not only famine, but also cholera. I travelled myself in | :53:45. | :53:53. | |
Canute, for about five hours to reach the islands, where is the | :53:54. | :54:00. | |
women and children were, with my team. During the journey and there | :54:01. | :54:12. | |
was a woman we met, living in the swamp, did not have a cooking pot. | :54:13. | :54:19. | |
I'm sorry, the line is breaking up. Let me bring in James. Telus about | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
the security situation in South Sudan? The war broke out in December | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
20 13th of peace deal efforts to stop it, but the fighting continues. | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
What is important in the context, this is a man-made famine, created | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
by the actions of the political leadership in South Sudan. The area | :54:39. | :54:43. | |
particularly affected, where famine has been declared, it has been held | :54:44. | :54:50. | |
by rebels in several points, government troops overrunning it | :54:51. | :54:53. | |
from the people fleeing into the swamps. Desperately running for | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
their lives. When they get to the swamps, which they see as a place of | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
safety, nothing to read. Emma had gone on this Canute in the middle of | :55:03. | :55:09. | |
nowhere, where people have nothing. Even a couple of years ago, this was | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
the case, I talked to people told of relatives dying. This scale has got | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
bigger and bigger. People are dying on a scale that the United Nations | :55:20. | :55:25. | |
and other bodies considered as a famine. There has been denial of | :55:26. | :55:32. | |
access for humanitarian workers. The government say this is a rebel | :55:33. | :55:35. | |
controlled area, people supporting the rebels, UI will not allow to go | :55:36. | :55:41. | |
into that area. The president, responding to the announcement | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
promised unfettered access to aid workers to get help. That is one of | :55:46. | :55:49. | |
the keys in resolving the situation, if the promises kept. Lily, from | :55:50. | :55:57. | |
Unicef UK, the British government pledging ?200 million, that is | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
something. Also high profile celebrities trying to get the | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
message across to rich western countries to donate money? That is | :56:07. | :56:13. | |
entirely right. These parts of the world that often do not make the | :56:14. | :56:16. | |
headlines, people are not aware of what is going on, we want to shine a | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
light on them. Fantastic the UK Government is doing what it can. | :56:22. | :56:27. | |
Very underfunded areas of the world, not attracting donations, we would | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
like that to change. Celebrity ambassadors helps us to do that. The | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
UK Government is showing great leadership by pledging money to this | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
crisis. It will save thousands of very innocent lives. This is a | :56:40. | :56:46. | |
man-made conflict. Whilst that is a tragedy, it also means we can do | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
something about it. Not hopeless, we can stop the crisis. What about | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
stopping the fighting? The key political issue underpinning this. | :56:56. | :57:01. | |
One of the problems, this is an incredibly complicated conflict. The | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
peace deal was signed in 2015, a government of national unity last | :57:06. | :57:08. | |
year, there were clashes in the capitals. The rebel leader fleeing | :57:09. | :57:13. | |
into exile. Since then lots of other rebel groups. Is it about territory, | :57:14. | :57:22. | |
land? Started about politics, infighting between political | :57:23. | :57:26. | |
leaders. In South Sudan political leaders have ethnic power bases. | :57:27. | :57:34. | |
There is an ethnic dimensional. There has been talk about genocide, | :57:35. | :57:41. | |
ethnic cleansing. Power. At this point, revenge. People have seen | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
uncles, brothers, cousins, husbands and wives killed. They want to get | :57:46. | :57:52. | |
revenge. Very complicated problems to resolve. Ultimately only be South | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
Sudan people can resolve them. The international community, and the | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
response seems confused. A peace deal they are trying to continue, | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
but most people think it has collapsed. Seems like a lack of | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
ideas to resolve the underlying problems leading to the famine, | :58:11. | :58:13. | |
people starving. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming on the | :58:14. | :58:17. |