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It's Wednesday, it's 9am, I'm Victoria Derbyshire,

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Our top story today - is the budget - and importantly -

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how what the Government announce in a couple of hours

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Who better to tell you that this morning

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Stand by for no big spending spree as a careful, cautious Philip

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Hammond keeps back the cash for difficult days ahead over Brexit,

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and the deficit. Also on the programme -

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spies inside your TVs. Yes, claims that the CIA had

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the technology to hack into smart It seems to be an incredibly

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dabbling leak in terms of the procedures, tactics and tools that

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were used by the central intelligence to conduct legitimate

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foreign intelligence. In other words it made my country and my country's

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friends less safe. And why would anyone

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want to volunteer for Especially after the so called

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elephant man trials of a decade ago This morning we'll bring

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you exclusive access inside a trial where people are volunteering

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to test an ebola vaccine. There is a lot of us who realise

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that there are a lot of medical issues in the world and we would

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like to help, but instead of giving the money to charities where we

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don't necessarily see exactly what's happening, with a medical trial we

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can see that they're working towards something and we're actually a part

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of it rather than just giving our money to someone and saying, "There

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you go. Just go and do whatever." A little later in the programme

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we'll meet a 21-year-old man Hear his moving story

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just before 10am. Do get in touch on all the stories

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we're talking about this morning - use the hashtag Victoria live

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and if you text, you will be charged Our top story today,

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the Chancellor Philip Hammond will use his first Budget to help

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prepare Britain for a "new chapter" He'll deliver an upbeat

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assessment of the economy when he stands up at lunchtime,

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but will admit that many families He's expected to find extra money

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for social care in England and to help firms facing steep rises

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in business rates. Here's our political

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correspondent Eleanor Garnier. He's the man known in Westminster

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as Spreadsheet Phil, the cautious Treasury Chief

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in charge of the numbers. So, as the Chancellor does his sums,

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what's he got to consider? Well, the big issue that's

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dominating is Brexit. As the UK prepares to leave the EU,

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Mr Hammond says he's focussed on keeping the economy resilient

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with a warning this is no time Even so, there will be cash

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for new free schools and money to shake up vocational and technical

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training for 16 to 18-year-olds. But the Chancellor's under pressure

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to spend more on public services with claims social care is in crisis

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and repeated calls for more money for the NHS plus pleas to help

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soften the blow for small firms hit But the Chancellor's under pressure

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to spend more on public services Mr Hammond might have chucked

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out his predecessor's timetable for dealing with the deficit,

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but both he and the Prime Minister still believe balancing the books

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is the only way to ensure a stable Let's get more on this from our

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political guru Norman Smith. This, I mean it is his first Budget.

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It is a big deal? Well, you might think it would be, but I suspect

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it's going to be a bit like the weather here, damp, drizzly, dull,

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something you're not going to remember and the reason for that

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frankly is he just hasn't got any cash because he is still having to

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deal with a great deficit. We spent something like 60 billion mds more

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than we had last year. Our debt is ?1.7 trillion. So there is no cash

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around, but also, there is the Brexit factor. Mr Hammond wants to

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keep any money he has got spare back in case things get difficult down

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the road with Brexit which means we'll get some little bits and

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pieces. There has been talk about help for social care because of all

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the terrible headlines we've read about the problems in social care,

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but it is not going to be much and I think we'll have to look carefully

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whether that money has just come from cuts elsewhere. Similarly,

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business rates. We know the business community have been up in arms about

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the huge hike in local business rates that many traders are facing.

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I think you'll find there is only a little bit of help for some

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particular high street traders who have been hit hard. So there will be

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a few bits and pieces, but my thinking this is going to be a sort

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of Mother Hubbard Budget. There isn't much cash in the cupboard for

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Mr Hammond to hand out. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary Lord Heseltine has been sacked

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as a Government adviser after rebelling in a vote over

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Brexit. The former Conservative Deputy Prime

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Minister backed calls for a "meaningful" parliamentary

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vote on the final terms of withdrawal, inflicting

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a second defeat in the Lords Ministers say they'll seek

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to overturn the move when the bill Here's our political

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correspondent, Chris Mason. Just like Ken Clarke in the Commons,

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Lord Heseltine was determined to remain vociferously pro-European

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after the referendum, It ensures that Parliament has

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the critical role in determining the future that we will bequeath

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to generations of young people and I urge your Lordships

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to support the amendment. But, hours later, he learned he had

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been fired from five This is the Prime Minister

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exercising her perfectly legitimate right to get rid of opposition

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in any way she thinks appropriate Whether it's the right

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and the wise thing to do is a matter for her,

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not for me. His sacking illustrates

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Downing Street's determination to Next week the Bill heads down

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the corridor, back to the Commons. Will Conservative rebels

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there be up for a fight? I will continue to believe that

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that is the right thing to do, for there to be a vote in both

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Houses, deal or no deal and, if I have to vote

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against my Government again, We've discussed, deliberated

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and scrutinised both of these issues before,

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at length, and we still declined to accept the amendments that have

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been passed in the House of Lords. They've come up with no new ideas

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so I expect the House of Commons Whatever happens next week,

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the Prime Minister does remain on course to be able to begin Brexit

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negotiations before A former head of the CIA has said

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an apparent leak of thousands of the agency's files

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is incredibly damaging. The documents, which have been

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published by the website WikiLeaks, appear to reveal attempts to hack

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into electronic devices One file suggests the CIA and MI5

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had discovered how to record conversations using a microphone

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in a Samsung smart TV even when it The CIA have refused to comment

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on the documents authenticity. But the agency's former director,

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Michael Hayden said This seems to be an incredibly

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damaging leak in terms of the tactics, techniques,

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procedures and tools that were used by the Central Intelligence Agency

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to conduct legitimate foreign In other words, it's made my country

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and my country's friends less safe. Police searching for missing RAF

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gunner Corrie McKeague are investigating whether a bin

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lorry is linked The vehicle was spotted

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near where the 23-year-old was last seen and carried a much heavier load

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than first thought. A search of a landfill site

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in Cambridgeshire is underway. Mr McKeague was last seen on a night

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out on 24th September. A British backpacker

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who was allegedly held captive for weeks and subjected to repeated

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sexual assaults, has been released The 22-year-old woman

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is being comforted by her family, A 22-year-old Australian

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man has been charged with a number of offences,

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and has been remanded in custody. The number of women getting top jobs

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at sporting bodies is declining, The Women in Sport study found just

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under half of organisations have failed to meet new government

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guidelines calling for senior The profile of women playing sport

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has never been higher. But step off the pitch

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and into the boardroom, Today, the charity Women in Sport

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released an audit of 68 national governing bodies

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receiving public money. They found that nearly half didn't

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meet the new target of 30% gender diversity on their boards including

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those in football, cricket, Nine had no women at all

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in senior leadership roles, while one organisation,

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the British Tae Kwon Do Council, has Public investment in sport,

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in any sports organisation, is dependent on organisations

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reaching the standards of the code. So anybody who isn't able

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to reach them, or doesn't have an adequate plan to do so,

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won't be able to attract The FA has long been criticised

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for failing to move with the times. Faced with having millions

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of pounds of funding cut, this week it proposed reforms

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to appoint more women to its board. England Hockey also needs

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to diversify, although their CEO told me they will have no problem

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meeting the new Government target. We will, over time,

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as board members leave, look at recruiting people that

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still meet the skillset, but enable us to meet the recommendations

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within the guidelines. We will, over time,

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as board members leave, Now, they are being told to better

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reflect the people who fund them. Chocolate bars like Kit Kat,

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Yorkie and Aero will contain 10% The manufacturer Nestle says sugar

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will be replaced with higher quantities of existing ingredients

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or other non-artificial ingredients and claims it

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could have a significant impact Visitors on a tour of

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the White House were given a surprise when President Trump

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turned up to greet them" In the first tour of the White House

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since his inauguration, he gestured for the children

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in the crowd to come He posed with one boy under

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a portrait of his election That's a summary of the latest BBC

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News - more at 9:30am. We're going to talk about spying

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software in your smart TV. Those claims which have comes through

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thousands of documents leaked to the wicky leeks website are taken as

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pretty credible. We'll talk more about that in a second. If you're

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getting in touch, you're welcome. Use the hashtag Victoria live and

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you will be charged the standard network rate.

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It's Arsene Wenger's future in the headlines again.

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Well, the pressure builds and builds on Arsene Wenger.

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I'd love to say we should have some remorse for him after so many

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accolades in his 20 years at the club, but the empire he built

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There are more calls and increased fervour for him to leave Arsenal,

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after they were knocked out of the Champions League last 16

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by German giants Bayern Munich, in humiliating fashion.

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A second 5-1 defeat meant they lost 10-2 on aggregate.

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That's the worst defeat suffered by an English

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They were reduced to ten men on the night, but it didn't really

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Their capitulation led to chants of "Wenger Out"

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inside of the Emirates Stadium, on what was a chastening night

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And those protests spilled out onto the streets

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of North London last night, with thousands of fans

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Wet want you to go. We want Wenger out!

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They demanded an answer from their greatest ever boss,

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Arsene Wenger, who was asked if it was his final Champions League

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I don't know. You always are worried for headlines. I'm here to speak

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about football, not about my future. What needs to change at this club,

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what do you mean by that? I think this club is in a great shape. At

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the moment it is going through a very difficult situation, but so

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what needs to change is the result in the next game.

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I admire his composure. All the stuff he has won for Arsenal fans,

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all these years in the Champions League, for supporters of other

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clubs, that's just, it is untold riches, you know.

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The reaction is strong as well. They are the only British club to

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have been in the last 16 of the Champions League, fans would be

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wanting that record. Now he is perceived as a laughing stock. Even

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Bayern Munich asked, "What time is it? It is 10-2." Today's papers

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aren't much different. I mentioned they are being seen as a laughing

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stock. The question is will Arsene Wenger stay at Arsenal? Shame old

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story says the Star. 10-2. Shame again and Wenger out, that's the

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main message from Arsenal fans. He must be considering his future. His

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contract expires at the end of the season, although there is an offer

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on the table, the next steps will be a mutual decision between he and the

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club at the end of the season. Seven seasons in a row they have been

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eliminated at the last 16 stage so where is the progression coming for

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them? Their talisman, Sanchez and Ozil are likely to leave the club.

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He won three Premier League title and six FA Cups as well, but with

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the writing on the wall for Arsene Wenger.

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It's the stuff of films and novels but, this

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morning, there are claims - which many believe to be credible -

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that the American intelligence agency the CIA hacked into Samsung

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smart TVs and turned them into living-room spies.

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Conversations were allegedly recorded.

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The UK's MI5 agency is said to have helped.

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The information has been released by Wikileaks.

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The effort to compromise Samsung's F8000 range of smart TVs

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was codenamed Weeping Angel, after a Doctor Who character,

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according to documents dated June 2014.

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They describe the creation of a "fake off" mode,

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designed to fool users into believing that their screens

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Instead, the documents indicate, infected sets were made to covertly

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record conversations, which would later be

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transferred over the internet to CIA computer servers,

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once the TVs were fully switched back on, allowing their wi-fi

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Under a "future work" section, the leaked documents suggest that

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Other claims in the 9,000-plus documents released include

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that the CIA was trying to find ways to infect cars' computer

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Wikileaks claims these might have been used

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So what kind of insight does this tell us into the work

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What else could MI5, CIA and other intelligence agencies

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across the world be doing right now to spy on us?

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Major General Jonathan Shaw was the Ministry of Defence's first

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Annie Machon, a former intelligence officer for MI5.

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Peter Eckersley, Chief Computer Scientist for

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the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is an organisation

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defending civil liberties in the digital world,

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And Troy Hunt is an internet security expert, joining us

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And we have got Ben Owen as well who used to work for MI5 and he left a

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couple of years ago. You are the most recently employed by the

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intelligence services. What do you make of these claims about smart

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TVs? I think it probably comes as no surprise to the general public that

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intelligence services always look to enhance their technical

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capabilities. I cannot comment specifically on the smart TV

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scenario. It is ingenious, isn't it? It's certainly it is. I guess people

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have to comprehend that technical companies, Google, Samsung, Sony,

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they forever advance their technical capabilities each year, selling them

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to the public, they probably do not pay as much attention to the

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security of these devices as they should, making it relatively easy

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for intelligence agencies and hackers in general. Can I ask you

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about the fact that they are infecting the TVs, which would then

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leave us, I am sure they are not spying on us having conversations

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about what we are having for our tea, but leave us vulnerable to

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being hacked by criminals. Of course. The issue is there is always

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a back door and if that is left open, there is an issue for

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criminality as well. What I would add is that intelligence agencies

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and police communities are extremely targeted in what they are looking

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for, it is not carte blanche. They cannot do it to everyone, it is very

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specific. Keeping everybody safe from very harmful people. Jonathan,

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do you think mere human beings, should they be reassured? I entirely

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agree with what Ben Owens has just been saying, people should not be

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surprised about this. Interesting debate this morning, Peter, your

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other guests, out right -- outlined the porters and people at home and

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attacking people overseas, to keep the public safe, which is what the

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public demand of the state. To do that you are all with that great

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paradox to infringe people's and to protect them. And getting that

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balance right is the issue. But nobody should be surprised about

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this because this is of intrusion is exactly the sort of stuff we pay

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intelligence agencies to do in order to keep us safe, the question is

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where you draw the line about what is legal? How do you create the

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trust in the governance of this intrusion to make the public happy

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with the level of intrusion that these agencies have? So where do you

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draw the line? I am not sure it is drawn on the right place at the

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moment. We are seeking these vulnerabilities. The ordinary

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people, it is just bugs in software. Your vote when your laptop, it has

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bugs, everything has this in it. Does your bones and your laptop.

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Intelligence agencies use these to break into the device to be devised

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or extreme cases, getting control. What we would like to see is more of

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these intelligence pages help allergy is that hackers are foreign

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powers cannot great devices stop the dead is more of these intelligence

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agencies and the CIA and the FBI and equivalents in other countries we

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fully go in and break things and speaking lot slower export

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infrastructure stock the extremes of how that can go wrong with

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documented several years ago when the British intelligence services

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were documented to be watching everybody's Yahoo! Video

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conversations, including a lot of conversations where people were

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maybe being brought internet than the intelligence agencies had

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expected full and a lot of people, a private calls without mothers would

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be watched online. Is this what the CIA and MI5 are doing, so can the

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intelligence agencies get cross about the Russians the US

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presidential election? If so, we have yet to see evidence the

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Russians did interfere in the election. I am concerned about this

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development, if we have these bugs and these problems within our

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domestic appliances, they can indeed and have already been hacked. We saw

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last year the biggest attack affecting the West Coast of East

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Coast of America and of Western Europe, which was developed over our

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smart devices and our homes, so this is a real problem and the idiot you

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are sitting watching the television Orwellian. They are not watching

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normal people, are they? We don't know, that is the problem,

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intelligence agencies in the UK are the least accountable and most

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weakly accounted in Western democracies so we do not know what

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they are getting up to. Ben is shaking his head in the

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disagreement. With respect, I think individuals have missed the broader

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subject on this. My big concern going forward with technical

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capabilities of private companies is the companies. You are shaking your

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head in disagreement when she said we just don't know if they are

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spying on people normally going about their business in their homes.

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Categorically from my experience, normal members of the public with

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nothing to worry about, they are not being watched. The intelligence

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services which do not have resources to do that, it would be a ridiculous

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scenario, that is not happening. Sorry, I am going to bring in Troy,

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Peter. If what you think about the intelligence agencies capitalising

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on bugs in smart TVs and not telling the companies there are bugs so they

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can use that, what you think? It is a delicate issue, we can appreciate

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how valuable these bugs and beat the intelligence agencies and good

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points in eight about wanting intelligence agencies look after our

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well-being. The offset is if they have identified all abilities in

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technology, there is a very good chance others have as well and that

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the other nation states, and career criminals looking to put victims. By

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not disclosing vulnerabilities that technology companies and allowing

:24:58.:25:00.

them to fix it, it puts people at risk. We are trading of a privacy

:25:01.:25:06.

national security issue with another issue if it falls into the wrong

:25:07.:25:11.

hands. So as citizens of the world, do we have to accept we are

:25:12.:25:14.

vulnerable to criminal activity for the greater good, that the

:25:15.:25:18.

intelligence agencies can protect us? I think we accept that now every

:25:19.:25:24.

time we collect something to the internet, whether it be a computer

:25:25.:25:28.

or teddy bear with listening devices these days and this is the world we

:25:29.:25:31.

live in, we want to connect everything and that will mean

:25:32.:25:34.

opportunities for criminals and for both legitimate and invasive

:25:35.:25:38.

surveillance by intelligence agencies as well. Can I widen this

:25:39.:25:43.

out, who is the best person to answer this, I don't know? How are

:25:44.:25:50.

other nations spying on each other? We have talked about Smart TVs and

:25:51.:25:55.

we heard about devices and rocks in Russia, what else? I think it was

:25:56.:26:00.

mentioned earlier saying Britain is the least accountable. I would

:26:01.:26:07.

disagree, I think if we look at Russia as an example, and they are

:26:08.:26:18.

extremely broad. There are no boundaries. Given the examples. I

:26:19.:26:24.

could not give specific examples of what I have experienced, but that

:26:25.:26:28.

intelligence services, they are fast. Tenfold to what Britain has

:26:29.:26:35.

also looking at Manpower and money. They rely on hacking, and doing that

:26:36.:26:42.

on a broader scale than Britain and America in my experience the Troy,

:26:43.:26:51.

do you have an example? In terms of surveillance by Russia or national

:26:52.:26:57.

states in general? Teddy bears! We have issue of the teddy bears as you

:26:58.:27:03.

my knowledge was not used by nation-state what was a good example

:27:04.:27:09.

of how we put examples of devices in devices with microphones which in

:27:10.:27:14.

the case of the teddy bears last ended up looking very personal

:27:15.:27:18.

conversations and if everyday hackers stumble across these on the

:27:19.:27:20.

internet, nation-state certainly can find them. Perhaps the best example

:27:21.:27:28.

we can talk about is the Chinese use of the internet to steal

:27:29.:27:31.

intellectual property in order to catch what they would describe as

:27:32.:27:37.

the Hundred years of suppression by the West. So you see all sorts of

:27:38.:27:44.

businesses in the West going out of business because they put the R and

:27:45.:27:52.

D Bassman creating new technology and the Chinese still big

:27:53.:27:54.

intellectual property and bring products to market much cheaper and

:27:55.:27:59.

beat people and there have been examples of wind turbines in

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Blackburn out of business by them back jet fighters stop an example of

:28:09.:28:16.

how the latest generation fighters, because they have stolen the

:28:17.:28:19.

blueprint by intellectual property theft. The Chinese are much more

:28:20.:28:25.

interested with catching up is complete with the West and they have

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used the internet to do that so that is a key part of this. Annie, most

:28:30.:28:35.

of you said we should not be surprised intelligence agencies use

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smart TVs, but what we are saying I think is that the everyday

:28:42.:28:44.

technologies that use in our daily lives smart meters in smartphones

:28:45.:28:52.

and smart TVs and cars, drones, intelligence agencies can use those

:28:53.:28:58.

to spy on people they want. They can, yes, and in the UK, we have a

:28:59.:29:02.

new law from the beginning of this year, the investigatory Powers act,

:29:03.:29:07.

the sleepers Charter, giving spies in the UK massive powers to hack

:29:08.:29:16.

into our appliances as the Hoover information and store it for a set

:29:17.:29:19.

period of time, which is very much out of proportion from what we

:29:20.:29:23.

expect in terms of our privacy within the UK, as opposed to

:29:24.:29:30.

protecting our security. The fact that these intelligence agencies,

:29:31.:29:34.

the CIA and MI5, have developed these hacks and identified

:29:35.:29:37.

vulnerabilities in technology and not blasted the companies which the

:29:38.:29:41.

CIA legally obliged to do ever since the Snowdon releases Isabel, showing

:29:42.:29:47.

they are working in the belly of accountable manner. Thank you, all.

:29:48.:29:53.

Interesting insight, thank you. Karen has e-mailed, the CIA wants to

:29:54.:29:58.

collect, analyse and disseminate foreign intelligence, criticising

:29:59.:30:04.

them for doing their job, I am tired of hearing the paranoid mind about

:30:05.:30:07.

security measures are why this amazement about what intelligence

:30:08.:30:12.

agencies get up to this remark is surely no thinking person is in

:30:13.:30:14.

doubt about how technology surveillance creeps Deta -- deep

:30:15.:30:21.

into our lives, I hope we can control this.

:30:22.:30:24.

Lawrence says, I have never trusted my Towcester!

:30:25.:30:29.

I think it has got it in for me. -- Towcester.

:30:30.:30:31.

I talk to a man who says football saved his life,

:30:32.:30:35.

after the sport helped him cope with mental health issues, following

:30:36.:30:39.

He tried to take his life many times. And you will really want to

:30:40.:30:43.

hear from the young man. And they act as first responders

:30:44.:30:46.

in Syria's civil war. They have saved nearly 80,000

:30:47.:30:52.

people. Back They have saved

:30:53.:30:54.

nearly 80,000 people. tells me about his experience

:30:55.:30:56.

of helping others in a war zone. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom,

:30:57.:31:02.

with a summary of today's news. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

:31:03.:31:08.

will use his first Budget today to deliver what the Treasury has

:31:09.:31:10.

said will be an "upbeat" assessment of Britain's economic prospects,

:31:11.:31:13.

while acknowledging that more He'll stress that the Government

:31:14.:31:15.

won't shirk difficult decisions on tax and spending to deal

:31:16.:31:18.

with the deficit, although he's expected to find extra money

:31:19.:31:20.

for social care in England and to help soften the impact

:31:21.:31:23.

of changes to business rates. Lord Heseltine has been sacked

:31:24.:31:28.

as a government adviser after rebelling over the legislation

:31:29.:31:30.

that will allow Theresa May to begin The Government suffered a second

:31:31.:31:33.

defeat on the Bill in the House of Lords yesterday after peers

:31:34.:31:40.

backed calls for a parliamentary Speaking in the last hour,

:31:41.:31:43.

Lord Heseltine said it was a great disappointment to have been sacked

:31:44.:31:47.

but he had to vote according In the end Europe is the

:31:48.:32:00.

transcending issue of our time and you have always to decide in public

:32:01.:32:07.

life if you have a vote in Parliament where that national

:32:08.:32:11.

interest lies and to me, it lies in the sovereignty of Parliament and I

:32:12.:32:17.

therefore must vote in order to preserve the sovereignty of

:32:18.:32:17.

Parliament. A former head of the CIA has said

:32:18.:32:22.

an apparent leak of thousands of the agency's files

:32:23.:32:25.

is incredibly damaging. The documents - which have been

:32:26.:32:29.

published by the website WikiLeaks - appear to reveal attempts to hack

:32:30.:32:32.

into electronic devices One file suggests the CIA and MI5

:32:33.:32:34.

had discovered how to record conversations using a microphone

:32:35.:32:38.

in a Samsung smart TV even when it The CIA has refused to comment

:32:39.:32:41.

on the document's authenticity. But the agency's former director,

:32:42.:32:45.

Michael Hayden said Police searching for missing RAF

:32:46.:32:46.

gunner Corrie McKeague are investigating whether a bin

:32:47.:32:59.

lorry is linked The vehicle was spotted

:33:00.:33:01.

near where the 23-year-old was last seen and carried a much heavier load

:33:02.:33:06.

than first thought. A search of a landfill site

:33:07.:33:08.

in Cambridgeshire is underway. Mr McKeague was last seen on a night

:33:09.:33:15.

out on 24th September. A British backpacker

:33:16.:33:18.

who was allegedly held captive for weeks, and subjected to repeated

:33:19.:33:20.

sexual assaults, has been released The 22-year-old woman

:33:21.:33:23.

is being comforted by her family A 22-year-old Australian

:33:24.:33:28.

man has been charged with a number of offences,

:33:29.:33:33.

and has been remanded in custody. That's a summary of

:33:34.:33:39.

the latest BBC News. I get the impression that some of

:33:40.:33:51.

you are not taking the spying through your TV seriously. A viewer

:33:52.:33:56.

says, "I will only watch my smart TV when naked!

:33:57.:33:56.

Arsene Wenger remains defiant after his side were knocked

:33:57.:34:06.

out of the Champions League, 10-2 on aggregate

:34:07.:34:08.

The German champions won 5-1 again - this time at the Emirates -

:34:09.:34:13.

and Wenger blamed the referee for the extent of the defeat.

:34:14.:34:22.

England ended the She Believes Cup with a narrow defeat 1-0 defeat

:34:23.:34:25.

to European and Olympic champions Germany in Washington.

:34:26.:34:28.

France beat hosts USA 3-0 to take the title.

:34:29.:34:35.

The fixtures for this summer's women's cricket World Cup has been

:34:36.:34:38.

England will begin their home tournament in Derby -

:34:39.:34:42.

Team Sky say they've made mistakes and take full

:34:43.:34:46.

responsibility for the controversy surrounding Sir Bradley Wiggins

:34:47.:34:48.

and the mystery medical package he received in 2011.

:34:49.:34:50.

They deny breaking anti-doping rules.

:34:51.:34:55.

That's all the sport for now, we will be back with more after 10am.

:34:56.:35:04.

The Chancellor, Philip Hammond, will deliver what's

:35:05.:35:06.

being described as an "upbeat" assessment

:35:07.:35:07.

of Britain's economic prospects in the Budget later.

:35:08.:35:10.

The Budget is meant to update us all on the state of the economy,

:35:11.:35:14.

the UK Government's spending plans and how they plan to pay for them.

:35:15.:35:17.

The Chancellor's decisions will affect all of us.

:35:18.:35:19.

Here's our political guru Norman Smith's guide

:35:20.:35:21.

He's been dubbed Spreadsheet Phil, and that's because Mr Hammond

:35:22.:35:26.

is a man with an eye on the bottom line, a cautious Chancellor.

:35:27.:35:32.

I regard my job as Chancellor as making sure that our economy

:35:33.:35:35.

is resilient, that we've got reserves in the tank.

:35:36.:35:41.

So here's five top tips. some giveaways and handy headlines.

:35:42.:35:48.

Social care: it's groaning at the seams.

:35:49.:35:49.

So, stand by for an emergency injection of more than ?1 billion.

:35:50.:35:53.

But no Budget comes without at least some giveaways and handy headlines.

:35:54.:36:06.

Social care: it's groaning at the seams.

:36:07.:36:09.

So, stand by for an emergency injection of more than ?1 billion.

:36:10.:36:12.

And there will be a promise of yet another government review of how

:36:13.:36:15.

Labour, however, are already promising a fight over the issue.

:36:16.:36:19.

A million people aren't getting the care they need.

:36:20.:36:21.

And family members, mostly women, are having to give up work

:36:22.:36:23.

Every day that the Prime Minister fails to act,

:36:24.:36:27.

Business rates, shops have been on the war path over a hefty

:36:28.:36:31.

hike in their bills, so expect help for some

:36:32.:36:33.

small high street traders who have been hit hardest.

:36:34.:36:35.

Grammar schools will get the official go-ahead,

:36:36.:36:37.

with cash to build new selective free schools, able to pick

:36:38.:36:40.

and choose pupils on the basis of their academic ability.

:36:41.:36:44.

T-levels, a new, simple technology qualification doing courage

:36:45.:36:48.

of youngsters to acquire skills and trades.

:36:49.:36:53.

The hope that T-levels will be seen as just as good as A-levels.

:36:54.:36:59.

And finally, austerity, there's more of it, and it's

:37:00.:37:02.

going to last until after 2020, with benefit freezes, pay caps

:37:03.:37:05.

Labour are demanding a different approach.

:37:06.:37:13.

I think this government lives in a different world

:37:14.:37:15.

People are suffering at the moment, stagnating wages, prices increasing

:37:16.:37:20.

because of inflation, insecure work, cuts

:37:21.:37:21.

All in all, it's going to be a careful, cautious Budget.

:37:22.:37:34.

And that is not just because Philip Hammond

:37:35.:37:37.

is that sort of Chancellor, but because, as a nation,

:37:38.:37:39.

So let's talk about some of the key issues -

:37:40.:37:48.

social care, education, business rates and the gig economy -

:37:49.:37:52.

where people are employed on temporary short-term contracts

:37:53.:37:55.

or freelance work as opposed to permanent jobs.

:37:56.:37:59.

To speak about business rate hikes are Lyn Knights,

:38:00.:38:01.

who has a 165-year old clothing business in Southwold

:38:02.:38:06.

and Alex Pose-Gil, who owns London's Buckingham Coffee Lounge

:38:07.:38:09.

and is seeing his rates go from ?11,000 to ?22,000 a year.

:38:10.:38:12.

Carly Hobbs is self-employed as a make-up artist,

:38:13.:38:16.

tanner and beauty writer and says expected tax increases for the self

:38:17.:38:19.

To talk about the Chancellor's widely trailed announcement

:38:20.:38:30.

we have Geoff Barton, a secondary school headteacher who's

:38:31.:38:34.

with us from Ipswich, and to discuss the anticipated

:38:35.:38:36.

announcement on social care, ex-head of the association

:38:37.:38:39.

of directors of adult social services, Ray James.

:38:40.:38:42.

Welcome all of you. We're going to talk about business rates first.

:38:43.:38:48.

What are you expecting in terms of your rates going up? I hope they're

:38:49.:38:53.

going to go down. Do you? Yes. Do you think that's likely? Well, there

:38:54.:38:57.

is a little murmur about it. That the Chancellor will put extra cash

:38:58.:39:01.

for people who are expecting a big hike? I hope so. We're up in arms.

:39:02.:39:06.

Southwold is a wonderful place. It is a lovely seaside town and it is

:39:07.:39:12.

because of house prices. A beach hut goes for ?160,000. Which is obscene,

:39:13.:39:16.

but it is a beautiful place. But that means the rates in the shops go

:39:17.:39:21.

up. We've got all the chain stores coming into town now and they're

:39:22.:39:27.

paying ?60,000, ?65,000 in rent. Now, who can afford that? The local

:39:28.:39:32.

shops are closing. Are they actually closing? Well, the shoe shop has

:39:33.:39:37.

gone and there is murmurs that people will close and go because

:39:38.:39:41.

they can't afford it. Alex you're in a similar position. You're worried.

:39:42.:39:45.

There are plenty of businesses where the rates are going down? I agree

:39:46.:39:49.

with that. It is a different business model. We're in Central

:39:50.:39:52.

London, we have to be competitive with what we have got around us.

:39:53.:39:57.

There are people outside of London, warehouses have been put to me, but

:39:58.:40:02.

we're not the same playing field. Yes, we're still business and we

:40:03.:40:06.

have to pay everything, but they have the advantage of playing the

:40:07.:40:09.

law and they can be away from where I can. I rely on foot fall. If I am

:40:10.:40:18.

know not there, where do you want me to be? Central business will be

:40:19.:40:23.

without the friendly businesses. That's not going to exist in London

:40:24.:40:28.

anymore. So, I mean, what impact will there be on your business if

:40:29.:40:31.

there is no relief from the Chancellor for you today? In

:40:32.:40:35.

preparation I've made cuts. One of them, one of my staff members wants

:40:36.:40:38.

to go back to studying so I've reduced her hours. So I have been

:40:39.:40:43.

lucky in that respect, but I can't cut anymore. I've cut my own pocket

:40:44.:40:48.

as much I can. I'm in the lucky position that I have a good family

:40:49.:40:52.

behind me, but it is just my sole income, I would have to consider

:40:53.:40:56.

closing down. Seriously. You have written to the chancellor and you

:40:57.:41:01.

have sent him a postcard? I I sent a video to the Prime Minister at

:41:02.:41:05.

Christmas time. OK, have you had any response? I have had a letter back

:41:06.:41:10.

from her thanking me for the video, but nothing about the rates. I sent

:41:11.:41:16.

a card with a picture of shop and sent the letter, "Please help us."

:41:17.:41:19.

Fingers crossed. We will see. We will see. Let's talk to Karly, you

:41:20.:41:27.

have self-employed as a make-up artist, a hair stylist and tanner,

:41:28.:41:30.

you have been doing that for three years. In terms of the decision to

:41:31.:41:34.

be self-employed. Tell us about that? My background was on glossy

:41:35.:41:38.

women's magazines and that was competitive and there were a lot of

:41:39.:41:42.

redundancies and I decided to open a portfolio career and train in all

:41:43.:41:45.

the areas, I work four different jobs because I still write about

:41:46.:41:48.

beauty well. In terms of the changes that are coming to me, although I

:41:49.:41:51.

work a lot of hours every week, it is going to mean working even more

:41:52.:41:55.

hours. Because you're expecting national insurance to be put up and

:41:56.:41:58.

that's going to hit you as a self-employed person? Yeah, that's

:41:59.:42:02.

right. For me, it seems unfair, while those are going up for

:42:03.:42:05.

self-employed people which a lot of people are becoming even if they are

:42:06.:42:09.

on zero contract hours, it is like being freelance for them. There is

:42:10.:42:17.

no support of if I'm poorly, I need to take time off or further down the

:42:18.:42:20.

line if I want to have a baby, maternity, there is no buffer for me

:42:21.:42:25.

there. OK, I mean that is what is, you know, we're expecting that from

:42:26.:42:27.

the Chancellor. So you're going to have to absorb that? Yeah, I'm going

:42:28.:42:32.

to have to absorb it. I'm going to have to budget harder and save more

:42:33.:42:37.

of my earnings and chase clients. That's another thing for

:42:38.:42:41.

self-employed people, although you get the work aye do lovely photo

:42:42.:42:46.

shoots, chasing clients for money takes a long time, it is not a

:42:47.:42:49.

regular pay cheque every month so I'm really going to have to be

:42:50.:42:53.

careful with my budget and how I manage my finances. OK. Thank you

:42:54.:42:58.

for that. Let's talk to Geoff Barton about education and then we'll talk

:42:59.:43:02.

to Ray James about social care the more money going into funding school

:43:03.:43:08.

places, some of it will be going to fund new selective school places.

:43:09.:43:13.

What do you think of that? Well, we will wait and see what the

:43:14.:43:16.

Chancellor actually says this afternoon, Victoria, but from what

:43:17.:43:20.

we've read so far, reminding ourselves that school are the places

:43:21.:43:22.

that society passes on skills and values to the next generation, at a

:43:23.:43:26.

time when we know we've got ?3 billion worth of funding cuts in

:43:27.:43:32.

real terms. It will feel a bit rich particularly to taxpayers if it

:43:33.:43:36.

looks like a pot has been set aside for vanity project for something

:43:37.:43:40.

which has got no evidence behind it and which hasn't been consulted and

:43:41.:43:44.

which may do damage to social justice. A vanity project, the words

:43:45.:43:51.

used by the Shadow Education Secretary. There is a demand from

:43:52.:43:54.

some parents for more grammar schools and more selective education

:43:55.:43:57.

for their children? We don't see the evidence for that. There are good

:43:58.:44:01.

grammar schools in the country at the moment, but it seems not

:44:02.:44:05.

unreasonable that we should say before ?324 million is put aside,

:44:06.:44:09.

there should be a sign of what the consultation is saying, we haven't

:44:10.:44:12.

had the outcome of the consultation. There should be evidence and there

:44:13.:44:15.

should be a real sign that this is going to help the poorest children

:44:16.:44:19.

because what we know is those ?3 billion worth of cuts that I've

:44:20.:44:22.

talked about are likely to hit the most disadvantaged school and the

:44:23.:44:25.

most disadvantaged communities the most and a Government that talks

:44:26.:44:28.

social justice really should put that into practise. Are you seeing

:44:29.:44:32.

an impact of tightened budgets in your own school and if so, in what

:44:33.:44:40.

way? Definitely. We have a loan of ?150,000. That doesn't mean that

:44:41.:44:44.

we're going to make that money back by not paining the corridors. It is

:44:45.:44:49.

not about not buying textbooks. The only way you can make savings is by

:44:50.:44:53.

reducing the number of teachers and the way you do that is by increasing

:44:54.:44:58.

class sizes and by putting fewer courses on. It will drive a scism

:44:59.:45:02.

between those schools where parents can afford it make contributions and

:45:03.:45:06.

those that can't and it is the disadvantaged schools who this

:45:07.:45:09.

Government should be fighting for who look, if the information we've

:45:10.:45:13.

been given so far is right, they are the ones who will be hit hardest by

:45:14.:45:18.

?3 billion of cuts over the coming years at a time when we know 284,000

:45:19.:45:23.

secondary places will be needed. Ray James is here. He is former head of

:45:24.:45:33.

adult social services. The Government is expected to inject

:45:34.:45:37.

?1.5 billion into the social care sector, that's looking after elderly

:45:38.:45:40.

people, people with disabilities in the community? Yes, so what will be

:45:41.:45:44.

really good to hear today is the growing recognition that the number

:45:45.:45:48.

of people needing care and support is growing in future years and that

:45:49.:45:51.

the cost of providing care will increase. Frontline care workers

:45:52.:45:55.

deserve the Living Wage and that will increase the cost of providing

:45:56.:45:58.

care so the funding from Government needs to keep pace with the growing

:45:59.:46:02.

demand for and the growing cost of care.

:46:03.:46:06.

This will plug a shortfall for the moment stop Mac we need genuinely

:46:07.:46:16.

new and additional money. I am fearful it might be existing money

:46:17.:46:21.

brought forward rather than new and additional money, and a commitment

:46:22.:46:25.

to finding a longer term and sustainable solution in terms of

:46:26.:46:30.

funding and national policy stop Mac it does not matter what political

:46:31.:46:34.

party, it seems difficult to come up with something long term and

:46:35.:46:38.

sustainable. Because we have elections every couple of years.

:46:39.:46:43.

What are the holds in provision? The biggest areas are care homes closing

:46:44.:46:49.

for the first time despite an ageing population, there are more care

:46:50.:46:53.

homes closing on opening and in many parts of the country, especially

:46:54.:46:59.

rural areas, being able to recruit the front home care workers to

:47:00.:47:02.

provide care and support in homes is becoming increasingly difficult.

:47:03.:47:06.

Good look to you all, you will all be watching and listening. The coach

:47:07.:47:13.

macro will stand up later. Thank you very much. Good luck with your

:47:14.:47:15.

businesses -- the Chancellor. Next, I'd like to introduce

:47:16.:47:18.

you to 21-year-old James Casling. Three years ago, he was sectioned

:47:19.:47:24.

in a psychiatric hospital, having tried to take his life

:47:25.:47:28.

"countless" times, following He says football saved his life and,

:47:29.:47:30.

last night, he was invited to Parliament to speak publicly

:47:31.:47:34.

for the first time His talk was moving

:47:35.:47:36.

and inspirational, and he's agreed to share it with you too this

:47:37.:47:41.

morning, Hello, James. How are you? All

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right, thank you. In your own time, James, read out what you said the

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Parliament last night. My story started three weeks after

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my 18th birthday when I was admitted to Park Royal Centre for mental

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health. I had become so all that for me, life was not worth living and

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18, I was ready to die and had made many attempts on my own life. If I

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had carried on down that path, I would not be here today. Something

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had to change, I had to stop destroying myself and build myself

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up again. That is when football and QPR and the community trust came in

:48:30.:48:35.

and change my life. One morning, Tom, the occupational therapist,

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woke me up and asked if I wanted to play football and of course I said

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yes. I didn't really expect much at first, but I realised I had no peace

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so I rang my mum and asked to get me some -- boots. Within an hour, she

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got me a pair. I did not realise if my mum did not buy me those boots,

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things might never have changed and I might have lost my life to my

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mental illness. All right, take your time.

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All the time in the world. So every week, I would attend training and it

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gave me hope for the future that I could be someone my family and my

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friends could be proud of. To me, it was not just football, it was my

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life. It gave me stuff to build on. Instead of destroying. I had become

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stronger and every week, I would put so much effort in that I could not

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walk for days afterwards. It changed me into a better man and it made me

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want to stay alive so my mother and brothers would not have to bury me.

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Instead, they could say to everyone, my son and my brother plays for QPR.

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They have done amazing things, QPR. My biggest achievement would be in

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my first three seasons at the club, I was top goal-scorer, every time I

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put on the kit, I was not a schoolboy any more, I was James, I

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was free my Demons. Unfortunately, others are not so lucky. I made a

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20th 2010, I lost my father to suicide. On my 15th birthday. But I

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have taken the good from the bad and I have met amazing people and

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travelled to places to play football, I get to meet people. For

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a young boy like me, losing my dad left me confused in this big world.

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I did not have any sense of direction. I met my coaches, and

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Nathan and they helped me find my way. They stood in my corner and the

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support I had from them was amazing. Just so thankful they came over.

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They showed me that I am with something and I am lucky enough to

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know them. We can never stop people getting mentally unwell, but we can

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help them recover with the use of football. It worked for me and many

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others that I have played for and against and with. Football saved my

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life. Well done. Well done. That was

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magnificent. All right? Do you think it is important to

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speak out? People are suffering in silence because they don't have

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someone to look up to and say enough is enough, we have got to change.

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People are mentally unwell and they are seen as an outcast from society.

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Once we start breaking down the stigma, people will come out and say

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they have got problems. And sharing is a good thing? Yes. Because people

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sit in their rooms, wherever, and they just think about stuff too

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much. That is why we have such a high suicide rate, because people

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don't want to get help and speak out. But if one person shares, other

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people will follow that example. I have a mental illness, it is nothing

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to be ashamed of. It is like any other illness, you can get better

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from it. What does playing football do for you, James? How does it make

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you feel? It is just like you step on the field, the pitch, and just

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have a ball actual foot and just to be focused. Because it is not always

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about you because you have got to work as a team. And you want your

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team to do well and you know you have got to play well yourself, so

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your focus is on being the best player you can be at that time. You

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are relying on your team-mates and they rely on you, and it is that

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sort of belonging to something... When I lost my dad, I had lost all

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sense of belonging and I still had my mother and brothers, but it just,

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it's really out of control. I didn't have anything, I felt like I

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belonged to nothing. But I put on my kit and I played with my friends and

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it feels like we are not just friends, we are family. I know your

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mum and the mental health Football Association support you speaking out

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today. Some people will never have heard of the organisation, can you

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tell us about their work? It only recently started, three years ago.

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That is when I started playing and it grew from there, Conor, the

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founder, really nice guy, I have played against him and had nice

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chats, and it is just about being able, as we were saying yesterday,

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networking with different clubs who have mental health teams. So there

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is one place they can all go, they can go, I fancy a game, and they

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show you the right direction to go and your closest route to joining in

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and stuff like that. It has helped a lot of people in the time it has

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been running, it in three years. May I read your messages from people who

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have just listened to you this morning? This tweet, a brave young

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guy, I am sending him a hug. Julie says, a QPR fan, football saved his

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life, brave bloke, top man. God bless him, take is real courage.

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Thank you so much, James, for being brave enough to share this.

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April says, in tears watching this brave young man and your programme,

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people often get is as suicide risks, people need more and better

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intervention. Brave lad for being so honest.

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Can you remember what your state of mind was when you are first

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sectioned? I disappointed... I was in such a dark place that life was

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not worth it. To me, I was in so much pain that the Carry On and like

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it was going to hurt more than to bend my life. It is a scary place

:56:15.:56:24.

because people are like, are you afraid of dying? But you are not

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afraid of dying. That is scary because what are you afraid of? If

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you can take steps to end your own life, there is not much that is

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scary to you. But to sit in a room, I have done it countless times, and

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just be left alone with my thoughts, I think that is what kills people.

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It is not sadness, it is their own heads telling them their life is not

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worth it. When in fact, it is. There is not always going to be a light at

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the end of the tunnel, you have got to be your own. That is what I mean.

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I have stood up and I have said, I can't live like this any more. I

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cannot live until the next time a self harm or try to kill myself. I

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want to actually live. I am 21 now. I have got a good 40, 50, 60 years

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ahead of me. So from the age of 15, I wanted to die. And that is not a

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way to live your life. How lost were you when your dad died? He took his

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own life. It was like my whole world had just

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disappeared. The one person... He was supposed to be the strongest

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person in the world, in my eyes. He had gone. I did not have that father

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figure. And my mum had to step up and do the two jobs. But I have

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always wondered why he would do it. And why my love for him was not

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enough. But then I realised that if somebody is like that, I could not

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have saved him. I think that hurts a lot more to note that there is

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nothing I could have done to prevent it. It is like your whole world gets

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turned upside down. You just can't explain it. Yes. You have explained

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it. You have explained it. What do you think about? You said you have

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40, 50, 60 years, what do you think about in the future? I wish I could

:59:34.:59:44.

predict the future but obviously, we can't. It is looking a lot brighter

:59:45.:59:52.

than it was. A couple of months ago. Years ago. As I said, I can't, I

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have to accept there is nothing I can do to change my situation, I

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have just got to be strong. And I have got to help people come out of

:00:11.:00:18.

their darkness. I think that is the future, for me, it is just to help

:00:19.:00:24.

other people, out and speak up about their problems and say, do you know

:00:25.:00:31.

what, for me, I have got borderline personality disorder, I have that,

:00:32.:00:37.

but that is not me, I am still the same boy before he died and I will

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be the same boy that I am when I die.

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Can I read some more messages, James? Phil says this "Don't stop

:00:49.:00:56.

what you're doing. Thank you for sharing your words and for your

:00:57.:01:02.

courage today." Julian says, "What a top bloke. I'm sitting in my hotel

:01:03.:01:08.

room in tears." Peter, "I'm so proud of you. Honoured to be your coach

:01:09.:01:15.

and to call you a friend. Hashtag QPR Family." Oh. Thank you very much

:01:16.:01:22.

for talking to us. Thank you for talking to our audience. I do not

:01:23.:01:26.

under estimate the strength it took for you to do that and I really

:01:27.:01:30.

appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much, James.

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Thank you. James' mum and the Mental health

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football organisation supported James speaking out. You can find

:01:48.:01:56.

organisations offering support at: Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

:01:57.:02:04.

Newsroom with a summary The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

:02:05.:02:07.

will use his first budget today to deliver what the Treasury has

:02:08.:02:15.

said will be an "upbeat" assessment of Britain's economic prospects,

:02:16.:02:18.

while acknowledging that more He'll stress that the Government

:02:19.:02:20.

won't shirk difficult decisions on tax and spending to deal

:02:21.:02:23.

with the deficit, although he's expected to find extra money

:02:24.:02:26.

for social care in England and to help soften the impact

:02:27.:02:28.

of changes to business rates. Lord Heseltine has been sacked

:02:29.:02:32.

as a Government adviser after rebelling over the legislation

:02:33.:02:35.

that will allow Theresa May to begin The Government suffered a second

:02:36.:02:38.

defeat on the Bill in the House of Lords yesterday after peers

:02:39.:02:45.

backed calls for a parliamentary Speaking in the last hour,

:02:46.:02:48.

the former Tory Deputy Prime Minister said it was a great

:02:49.:02:53.

disappointment to have been sacked but he had to vote

:02:54.:02:55.

according to his conscience. In the end, Europe is

:02:56.:02:58.

the transcending issue of our time and you have always to decide

:02:59.:03:03.

in public life if you have a vote in Parliament where that national

:03:04.:03:08.

interest lies and to me, it lies in the sovereignty

:03:09.:03:11.

of Parliament and I therefore must vote in order to preserve

:03:12.:03:14.

the sovereignty of Parliament. A former head of the CIA has said

:03:15.:03:22.

an apparent leak of thousands of the agency's files

:03:23.:03:25.

is incredibly damaging. The documents, which have been

:03:26.:03:29.

published by the website WikiLeaks, appear to reveal attempts to hack

:03:30.:03:31.

into electronic devices One file suggests the CIA and MI5

:03:32.:03:33.

had discovered how to record conversations using a microphone

:03:34.:03:37.

in a Samsung smart TV even when it The CIA has refused to comment

:03:38.:03:41.

on the document's authenticity. But the agency's former director,

:03:42.:03:44.

Michael Hayden said Police searching for missing RAF

:03:45.:03:46.

gunner Corrie McKeague are investigating whether a bin

:03:47.:03:59.

lorry is linked The vehicle was spotted

:04:00.:04:01.

near where the 23-year-old was last seen and carried a much heavier load

:04:02.:04:04.

than first thought. A search of a landfill site

:04:05.:04:07.

in Cambridgeshire is underway. Mr McKeague was last seen on a night

:04:08.:04:09.

out on 24th September. Some of the UK's biggest sports,

:04:10.:04:17.

like cricket and football, are still failing to meet government

:04:18.:04:20.

targets on female The report from the charity Women

:04:21.:04:22.

in Sport suggests nearly half of sporting bodies have not met

:04:23.:04:29.

the target of 30% gender diversity in the boardroom and there's been

:04:30.:04:32.

a decline in the number of women A Canadian town has apologised

:04:33.:04:35.

after its water treatment plan The Mayor of Onoway in Alberta said

:04:36.:04:41.

there was no public health risk but the town "could have done

:04:42.:04:45.

a better job communicating He said it was the unfortunate

:04:46.:04:48.

side-effect of a common water-treatment chemical,

:04:49.:04:53.

potassium permanganate, commonly That's a summary of

:04:54.:04:54.

the latest BBC News. Thank you very much.

:04:55.:05:14.

Good morning. Thank you for your many, many messages about James who

:05:15.:05:21.

has just spoken in such raw terms about his own mental health. Kev

:05:22.:05:27.

says, "I have just watched an extraordinary young man through

:05:28.:05:30.

tears of my own. I feel his pain, but I take heart from his bravery.

:05:31.:05:34.

Good luck. Keep fighting." James says, "That wonderful young man who

:05:35.:05:37.

has just spoken about mental health is so, so brave. Please tell him

:05:38.:05:40.

that he is not alone and that I just want to hold him and let him know

:05:41.:05:45.

that he is so wonderful. I cannot put into words how he had made me

:05:46.:05:52.

feel. :. " There are many more of us and I will try and read as many as I

:05:53.:05:54.

can in the next hour. Do get in touch with us

:05:55.:05:57.

throughout the morning - use the hashtag Victoria live

:05:58.:05:59.

and if you text, you will be charged Arsenal suffered a humiliating exit

:06:00.:06:02.

in the Champions League last 16. For a second time they were beaten

:06:03.:06:08.

5-1 from German giants Bayern Munich meaning they lost 10-2 on aggregate

:06:09.:06:11.

- that's the worst defeat suffered by an English

:06:12.:06:13.

side in the competition. They were reduced to ten men

:06:14.:06:18.

on the night with boss Arsene Wenger saying he was "revolted"

:06:19.:06:21.

by the referee's The capitulation led

:06:22.:06:23.

to chants of "Wenger Out" And those objections spilled out

:06:24.:06:29.

onto the streets of North London last night with thousands

:06:30.:06:34.

of fans protesting. We want you to go. Arsene Wenger we

:06:35.:06:39.

want you to go. They demanded an answer

:06:40.:06:47.

from the club's greatest ever boss, who was asked if it was his final

:06:48.:06:49.

Champions League match as a manager. I don't know. You are always worried

:06:50.:07:03.

for headlines, I'm here to speak about football, not about my future.

:07:04.:07:07.

What needs to change at this club. What do you mean by that? I think

:07:08.:07:12.

this club is in great shape, but it is going through a very difficult

:07:13.:07:19.

situation, so what needs to change is the result in the next game.

:07:20.:07:24.

A sad night for Arsene Wenger. England didn't have much joy

:07:25.:07:29.

against German opponents either. They lost 1-0 to Germany,

:07:30.:07:33.

in the She Believes Cup. Anya Mitaarg with the goal

:07:34.:07:35.

for the European Champions France won the invitational

:07:36.:07:38.

tournament. The first-half we were a bit

:07:39.:07:47.

disappointed with ourselves. We set out to do what we had done. The

:07:48.:07:50.

second half, we got to grips with the game and that was much more the

:07:51.:07:54.

England that we want to be. I think we put Germany on the back foot and

:07:55.:07:58.

it came down to fine margins and Germany took their chance when they

:07:59.:07:59.

got it and we didn't unfortunately. The number of women

:08:00.:08:07.

getting top jobs at UK sporting The Women In Sport group calls

:08:08.:08:09.

the findings of their study Under a new rules coming

:08:10.:08:14.

into effect next month, organisations must have a 30% female

:08:15.:08:18.

representation on their boards, England's Director of

:08:19.:08:20.

Women's Cricket is Clare Connor. The opportunity to host a World Cup

:08:21.:08:31.

in any sport is a pinnacle time. It's something that all the

:08:32.:08:34.

athletes, all the players aspire to be part of. As administrators it is

:08:35.:08:40.

a huge opportunity for us to promote our game to as many people as

:08:41.:08:43.

possible. We will be taking the tournament around the country,

:08:44.:08:47.

starting with England's opening game in Derby on 24th June. To have that

:08:48.:08:52.

opportunity to take our team and the sport and the trophy around the

:08:53.:08:56.

country, to try to inspire girls to pick up bats and balls for the first

:08:57.:09:00.

time is a wonderful opportunity. Almost a once-in-a-lifetime

:09:01.:09:02.

opportunity. We haven't had the World Cup in this country for 24

:09:03.:09:07.

years. So a huge amount has changed since that time. We're really

:09:08.:09:10.

looking forward to making the most of that opportunity.

:09:11.:09:16.

The women's cricket World Cup launched today. We will be focussed

:09:17.:09:21.

on the Budget after 11am, but you can keep up-to-date with the sports

:09:22.:09:25.

stories on the website. Thank you.

:09:26.:09:30.

Before any new medicine can be given to patients,

:09:31.:09:32.

detailed information about how it works and how safe it

:09:33.:09:35.

This is done through clinical medical trials.

:09:36.:09:37.

And without volunteers to take part in the trials,

:09:38.:09:39.

there would be no new treatments for serious diseases such as cancer,

:09:40.:09:42.

But one disastrous drug trial at a London hospital in 2006

:09:43.:09:47.

In what became known as the Elephant Man trial,

:09:48.:09:54.

six healthy young men were treated for organ failure after experiencing

:09:55.:09:57.

a serious reaction within hours of taking the drug TGN1412

:09:58.:09:59.

After they were all admitted to intensive care, two

:10:00.:10:07.

The worst affected lost his fingers and toes, and all the men

:10:08.:10:12.

were subsequently told they would be likely to develop cancers

:10:13.:10:18.

or auto-immune diseases as a result of their exposure to the drug.

:10:19.:10:22.

They described feeling like their brains were "on fire"

:10:23.:10:24.

and their "eyeballs were going to pop out".

:10:25.:10:27.

So, why would anyone want to take part in such a trial now?

:10:28.:10:33.

Researchers in the UK are currently part of a worldwide effort

:10:34.:10:36.

to develop a vaccine for Ebola, should another outbreak occur.

:10:37.:10:42.

Our reporter, Catrin Nye, went to visit the Oxford Vaccine Group,

:10:43.:10:45.

a place where they are constantly looking for volunteers

:10:46.:10:47.

Henry is a student in Oxford - one of the people trialling

:10:48.:10:54.

REPORTER: How many blood tests have you had so far?

:10:55.:11:03.

Probably about six or seven, something like that,

:11:04.:11:05.

This is a phase two trial, looking at the response

:11:06.:11:14.

of the immune system in a large group of people,

:11:15.:11:17.

Participants can either get a placebo, so a saline injection,

:11:18.:11:23.

or they get two different Ebola vaccinations.

:11:24.:11:28.

I had some slight fever and chills afterwards,

:11:29.:11:32.

which is an indicator that I had had a vaccine rather than

:11:33.:11:35.

Henry will get paid around ?450 in total for this trial.

:11:36.:11:39.

He'll come here more than a dozen times.

:11:40.:11:42.

I get paid about ?45 a session every time I come in.

:11:43.:11:45.

As a student, you know, you can't complain.

:11:46.:11:47.

He won't actually be given Ebola, that's too dangerous.

:11:48.:11:51.

There was definitely an aspect of, it's quite a current issue.

:11:52.:11:54.

You see it in the news every day, the statistics.

:11:55.:11:57.

How many dead in west Africa with new infections

:11:58.:11:59.

It was definitely a motivator to want to help out.

:12:00.:12:05.

You did some decent research to find out the risks involved in the trial.

:12:06.:12:08.

Just to make sure I wasn't going to get Ebola, as a lot

:12:09.:12:11.

So, I did research just for peace of mind for myself.

:12:12.:12:20.

2014 saw the biggest outbreak of Ebola in history.

:12:21.:12:24.

The viral illness starts with sudden fever and intense weakness but can

:12:25.:12:34.

lead to horrific bleeding, sometimes from the eyes and ears.

:12:35.:12:39.

There was a vaccine available when this happened but it hadn't

:12:40.:12:42.

Thousands of miles away in Oxford, that's what's happening now.

:12:43.:12:49.

When we're in the laboratory, don't touch anything.

:12:50.:12:51.

How many different samples have you got?

:12:52.:12:57.

The vaccine hadn't been tested at the time of the Ebola outbreak

:12:58.:13:04.

because there wasn't really a mechanism to fund that process.

:13:05.:13:06.

There wasn't a commercial argument for development

:13:07.:13:08.

So, it wasn't until it was a big problem that public funding came in.

:13:09.:13:13.

What he's basically saying is the pharmaceutical companies

:13:14.:13:19.

don't have much incentive to pour research and development money

:13:20.:13:22.

into a vaccine that will be used mostly in poor countries

:13:23.:13:24.

by relatively few people, like one for Ebola.

:13:25.:13:28.

It wasn't until public money was provided that

:13:29.:13:30.

The Ebola trial running here today is funded entirely

:13:31.:13:35.

There must be a constant difficulty, or a constant struggle,

:13:36.:13:42.

to know that maybe tens of thousands of people have to die

:13:43.:13:45.

for someone to put the money in to develop a drug.

:13:46.:13:47.

I think we are in such a different position now,

:13:48.:13:55.

where we have a global recognition that there are a number of other

:13:56.:13:58.

Now there are mechanisms being put in place to make sure we are no

:13:59.:14:03.

longer in a position where we have the potential to make

:14:04.:14:06.

vaccines but no-one has actually done it yet.

:14:07.:14:08.

One of the reasons it can be so difficult to get volunteers

:14:09.:14:11.

for clinical trials is that when they go wrong it can make

:14:12.:14:14.

One of the most famous being a private trial

:14:15.:14:18.

at Northwick Park in London in 2006 in what became known

:14:19.:14:21.

Six healthy men were treated for organ failure after a severe

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reaction just hours after taking the drug they were testing.

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The worst affected lost his fingers and toes.

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These are the trials we often hear about,

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rather than the successful ones happening here today.

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Anyone that takes part in a clinical trial here needs to go

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Because of various requirements, and the fact that some trials need

:14:48.:14:51.

very healthy volunteers, around half of people won't make it

:14:52.:14:55.

The research team here allowed me to sit in on one of those screenings

:14:56.:15:04.

Maria's also a student in Oxford and has come to talk

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There are already two existing licensed vaccines against typhoid,

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but they're only around 60% effective in adults and far

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This trial is much more serious than the Ebola one because she'll

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actually be given typhoid and then treated for it.

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Because the study involves us deliberately infecting

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people with typhoid, we have to be fairly strict

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It's also important that anyone we do enroll understands exactly

:15:36.:15:44.

what it involves and the risks associated with that.

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We obviously do a screen for hepatitis B, hepatitis C and HIV.

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There you go, you get a health check as well.

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Today, Marie and I are learning about the process,

:15:54.:15:56.

the risks and what the study is trying to establish.

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In this study, we are going to be randomly allocating people.

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You won't know which and I won't know which.

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When we challenge people with a normal strain of typhoid,

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about two thirds of them develop symptoms of illness.

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You're giving some people a strain of typhoid and some people the same

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To look at the effects of that toxin.

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And then with a view to seeing if that could be

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Crucial here is that Marie does not spread typhoid

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into the general population, so she's also given

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strict instructions on hygiene during the trial.

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This is, of course, a big undertaking for Marie.

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Researchers here say it is crucially important that people like her do

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They currently need 60 more people for this typhoid trial.

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The biggest challenge is finding people who will take part

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in the studies that involve quite a time commitment to work with us

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but, actually, the benefits are that it can transform the health

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of our population and globally in the future.

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Marie will get paid much more for this typhoid trial

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She'll have to come in for tests much more, every day at one point.

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How much of a motivation is the money?

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I would do it even if the money wasn't there.

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There's quite a lot of us who realise there are a lot

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of medical issues in the world and we would like to help but,

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instead of giving the money to charities where we don't

:17:29.:17:31.

necessarily see exactly what's happening, with a medical trial,

:17:32.:17:33.

we can see that they are working towards something, and a cure,

:17:34.:17:37.

and we are a part of it, rather than just giving our money

:17:38.:17:43.

to someone, saying, "Here you go, just go and do whatever..."

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So, for you, this is a very, very direct charity.

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Let's speak now to Bob Berry, a 60-year-old lung cancer patient

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who was given 18 months to live, but has been left with no trace

:18:05.:18:08.

of the disease after going on a trial of a new drug

:18:09.:18:11.

which hadn't been tested on humans before.

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And to Nicola Murrells who, October 2014, was given just

:18:21.:18:22.

weeks to live after being diagnosed with bowel cancer.

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She was involved in a six-month trial of a drug called IMM 101.

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Hello, both. Bob, tell our audience, you are given 18 months to live,

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three years ago, what happened? I was diagnosed with lung cancer, the

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first part of it was having my lungs taken away at Wythenshawe followed

:18:44.:18:47.

by chemotherapy, radiotherapy, another dose of chemotherapy. And

:18:48.:18:55.

none of those worked. I was then referred to the clinical trials at

:18:56.:18:59.

Christies. What we're told about the strokes trail? Pros and cons and I

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first went through the cons and I thought, do I want to put myself

:19:06.:19:10.

through this because I have escaped side-effects from the chemotherapy

:19:11.:19:15.

already, or radiotherapy? And I did have a bit of a hiccup at first, but

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they did reassure me and said they were so minor, they have just got to

:19:21.:19:23.

tell you but the chances are you would not be affected. What you

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think of what has happened? Well, an absolute miracle! That is what it

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is. It is amazing, it really is. In terms of how you feel and your

:19:37.:19:42.

health now, how well do you feel? To be honest, I have never felt ill

:19:43.:19:46.

from the start to the finish, from when I was first aid nose to where I

:19:47.:19:51.

am now. No side-effects whatsoever. I have been very lucky. It is really

:19:52.:19:59.

interesting to hear from you. Nicola, back in 2014, you were told

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you had about nine weeks to live. Last year, I was told I had nine

:20:05.:20:10.

weeks to live. It was last year, my mistake, sorry. After being

:20:11.:20:13.

diagnosed with bowel cancer. First, how did you do deal with that

:20:14.:20:21.

diagnosis? I am a mother, I have a little girl who is four and my

:20:22.:20:24.

natural instinct was to think about her and it was heartbreaking to

:20:25.:20:29.

think she will call out for me at night and I will not be there, and

:20:30.:20:33.

had you explain to a four-year-old mummy has only got weeks left to

:20:34.:20:39.

live? It was a real shock to the system and since I have been

:20:40.:20:43.

diagnosed, which was originally in 2014, I have had a strong belief I

:20:44.:20:47.

would survive, and instinct, so to hear the news, was devastating for

:20:48.:20:53.

my husband, my mum, my brother, my close family and friends, it was

:20:54.:20:58.

awful. The drugs you were involved in, the drugs trial, had been tested

:20:59.:21:03.

already on other humans, what were you told about what it might do for

:21:04.:21:08.

you? There is no promises with a drugs trial, as there should not be.

:21:09.:21:15.

When you get to the stage you are classed as terminal, your appetite

:21:16.:21:20.

to try something new changes and drastically increases. So for me, it

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was about, I have a strong belief in immunotherapy and boosting and

:21:30.:21:32.

giving the body the tools to do the job, so the trial was immunotherapy

:21:33.:21:39.

based and the drugs I am taking, they are also immunotherapy based.

:21:40.:21:44.

There was a risk of autoimmune disease and I also knew there was a

:21:45.:21:50.

chance it could help me. And I really... I am still here, I did not

:21:51.:21:56.

die after the nine weeks. My disease has stabilised and I have got a 20%

:21:57.:22:00.

reduction in tumours which for me, as a mother and a wife, I am 42, it

:22:01.:22:07.

is unbelievable. Do you know how the drug has worked on you? Can you

:22:08.:22:16.

explain? It stimulates your immune system. It sends your immune system

:22:17.:22:22.

into overdrive. Different parts depending on different drugs. One

:22:23.:22:30.

part acts as a vaccine and tries to contain the cancer. Immunotherapy

:22:31.:22:32.

booster is about your body recognising the cancer and being

:22:33.:22:37.

able to detect it and destroy it. It is based on giving your body the

:22:38.:22:45.

tools to do the job. It knows. Our body does not know how to fight back

:22:46.:22:51.

with cancer. Thank you so much, Nicola, it is good to talk to you.

:22:52.:22:56.

Thank you very much. Bob, continued good health, keep on keeping on!

:22:57.:23:02.

Absolutely, yes. Thank you very much, we really appreciate it. Thank

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you. Some of your amazing comments now

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reacting to James, the 21-year-old who was on the programme before ten

:23:14.:23:17.

o'clock, who spoke in very brutal terms about his mental health

:23:18.:23:26.

issues. And the fact that joining a football team really is helping him.

:23:27.:23:31.

He says football saved his life. He gave a talk to Parliament last

:23:32.:23:35.

night, which is a massive thing for him. And he agreed to be on the

:23:36.:23:40.

programme to give the talk to you, and so many appreciated it. Jordan

:23:41.:23:45.

e-mailed, thank you so much for showing this on your programme. I am

:23:46.:23:50.

in a dark place at the moment and I cannot see the light, but this is

:23:51.:23:55.

making me see there are people who can help, so thank you, all.

:23:56.:24:00.

Durham says, I have suffered with mental illness all my life, I am 56

:24:01.:24:05.

and had my first anxiety attack at three and a half. My heart goes out

:24:06.:24:08.

to James, I need to tell James Howell proud I am of him and to

:24:09.:24:13.

thank him with all my heart for being so brave, courageous and

:24:14.:24:17.

amazing, what a young man! You are loved and needed by so many, never

:24:18.:24:21.

forget that. Debra says, James is a very brave

:24:22.:24:24.

young man, if I were there now, I would give him the biggest hug! He

:24:25.:24:29.

has shown tremendous courage and I wish he goes on to a bigger and

:24:30.:24:32.

better life. Alfie says, what a remarkable and

:24:33.:24:36.

brave young man, God bless him and good book for his future.

:24:37.:24:42.

Holly, what a courageous young man. David, marvellous young lad, well

:24:43.:24:44.

done. What a brave young man James is,

:24:45.:24:48.

well done, make to come at your words will help others.

:24:49.:24:51.

April, I hope he feels proud and connects with those who often

:24:52.:24:55.

overlook mental health which is such an important issue.

:24:56.:24:58.

Caroline, just be watching a very brave young man talking about his

:24:59.:25:02.

mental health difficulties, please, everyone, take the time to watch

:25:03.:25:06.

this interview. And so it goes on. I could

:25:07.:25:13.

seriously... There are a lot of these messages, thank you for

:25:14.:25:16.

getting in touch. But sharing your love with him. His mum was backing

:25:17.:25:29.

him coming on and the Mental Mental health Football Association backing

:25:30.:25:30.

his decision to speak out. The Crown Prosecution Service has

:25:31.:25:34.

been forced to look again at its decision not to prosecute

:25:35.:25:36.

a far right activist with links to Nazi sympathisers whose comments

:25:37.:25:39.

had included saying England should His name is Jeremy Bedford-Turner -

:25:40.:25:42.

this is him speaking Step back, close our eyes and look

:25:43.:26:05.

at the world as it really is. Look at the problems in this world and

:26:06.:26:09.

look at their source. Let's call a spade a spade! A dog a dog! A rat a

:26:10.:26:21.

rat! Tony Bloom work -- Tony Blair, a well criminal sort it out!

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The legal action was brought by the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism,

:26:29.:26:31.

who say they're increasingly concerned that the CPS is failing

:26:32.:26:33.

They say of the over 15,000 hate crimes prosecuted

:26:34.:26:37.

by the CPS in 2015, only 12 were prosecutions

:26:38.:26:39.

With us now is our legal correspondent, Clive Coleman.

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Rabbi Laura Janner-Klausner, from Reform Judaism.

:26:51.:26:52.

And Gideon Falter, Chairman of Campaign Against Anti-Semitism,

:26:53.:26:54.

who brought the legal action against the Crown Prosecution Service.

:26:55.:26:57.

Clive, the background first of this man and what else he was saying. You

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have a flavour of it. He said, it was a long speech, he said that the

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French Revolution and the first and second world was, they were

:27:12.:27:14.

massacres that were perpetrated by the Jewish people, that gives a

:27:15.:27:19.

sense of the speech. What happened was that the Crown Prosecution

:27:20.:27:22.

Service, there is evidence because the speech was filmed and it has

:27:23.:27:27.

been posted on YouTube and it has been transcribed. With that

:27:28.:27:30.

evidence, the Crown Prosecution Service decided they would not

:27:31.:27:34.

prosecute him for incitement to racial or religious hatred there

:27:35.:27:40.

then an application for a victim is right of review, a right any

:27:41.:27:46.

potential victim of a potential crime has to ask the CPS to

:27:47.:27:50.

reconsider that decision, and they will apply their normal tests and

:27:51.:27:54.

they will look at the evidence to see if there is a realistic prospect

:27:55.:27:59.

of conviction and if so, whether it is in the public interest to do so.

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Having declined to prosecute and the claims the requests for a victim

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right to review, the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism looked to

:28:10.:28:14.

bring a judicial review, to review both decisions. I understand this

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week, before that, they were successful and before the full

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judicial review was to take place, the CPS agreed to get a senior

:28:24.:28:29.

lawyer to review the original decision not to prosecute. The

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reason, they say, is they have advice from a senior lawyer in

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relation to the consideration of the human rights aspects of the

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prosecution and it was that that forced them to rethink. More

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broadly, can I talk with you two about anti-Semitic hate crime

:28:47.:28:50.

generally and the figures I mentioned in the introduction from

:28:51.:28:57.

2015. Gideon, what sort of a year was that for anti-Semitic hate

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crime? We rely on police statistics and it was the worst year on record,

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we do not have on the statistics for 2016, but there was a 26% rise in

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anti-Semitic crime and within that, a 51% rise in violent anti-Semitism.

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We seen the continued shift from anti-Semitic hate speeches and

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incitement to actual acts of violent anti-Semitism. For there to only

:29:22.:29:26.

have been 12 prosecutions for anti-Semitism that year is

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absolutely staggering. Why do you think that is? I don't know why, I

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am listening to the important thing that it has doubled and that is very

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worrying. It also needs to be taken in context, that dues live in

:29:40.:29:46.

Britain very happily and safely mainly and we know that the

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mainstream Community Security Trust who live with the police, they happy

:29:52.:29:55.

beta for all Asian ships and they do get taken extremely seriously. When

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you look at those figures, one would expect more prosecutions and a

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higher number than 12. Yes, and something that is interesting is the

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Community Security Trust complained about this individual and they were

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also told, we are not going to prosecute. We work very closely with

:30:16.:30:20.

the Home Office and Downing Street and none of that helps when you get

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to the lower levels of the machinery, so the police who were

:30:25.:30:27.

surrounding him when he made the speech outnumbered him by 15-1 and

:30:28.:30:33.

they failed to make an arrest. And they failed to realise a crime was

:30:34.:30:38.

taking place in front of them until we reported it. The Crown

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Prosecution Service, supposedly there to do with these cases, it is

:30:42.:30:46.

abjectly failing to bring prosecutions and we are constantly

:30:47.:30:48.

contacted and in this case it was unusual because I was there and I

:30:49.:30:53.

was the victim and I was able to make that complaint. And I assumed

:30:54.:30:59.

that as the person who runs the reading Campaign Against

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Anti-Semitism in the UK, I assumed this would be taken very seriously

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and acted on and the fact is, we have had to fight for nearly two

:31:08.:31:08.

years just to get this point. We have to say alleged crime. The

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Crown Prosecution Service, it is a balancing act, it is a difficult

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balancing act. There is article 10 of the Human Rights Act which gives

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the right to freedom of expression. That has to be balanced against

:31:26.:31:31.

Article 17 of the Act which prohibits someone from exercising

:31:32.:31:35.

rights if they are going to be extinguishing the rights of others

:31:36.:31:39.

across the Human Rights Act. It is a balancing act for them, but they

:31:40.:31:42.

have obviously taken on board the fact that they didn't give enough

:31:43.:31:46.

contribution to Article 17 and they will be look at that now in carrying

:31:47.:31:51.

out the balancing act. In the middle of a balance you have this image of

:31:52.:31:56.

a woman of justice, especially on international women's day, holding

:31:57.:31:59.

those two scales and my question is when you have that balance, what is

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our Prime Minister saying in order to weight that balance in a certain

:32:05.:32:11.

way? And when someone says, I mean, the most unsubtle, pew trid

:32:12.:32:15.

anti-Semitic lies, you don't need a lot in the balance, but what you

:32:16.:32:19.

need is that stabiliser, the pillar in the middle that holds the scales

:32:20.:32:23.

of justice to give clear messages. So one of the reasons maybe, and I

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don't know, that the CPS didn't move forward with it, is that there

:32:28.:32:31.

hasn't been a strong enough message and particularly now, when we have

:32:32.:32:35.

seen what happened with the Casey review. The Casey review has shown

:32:36.:32:39.

in a way that we have never seen before how parallel, how separate,

:32:40.:32:44.

how enclave so much of Britain is and it has shone a light

:32:45.:32:49.

particularly on white working class areas where hate crimes, speech and

:32:50.:32:53.

crimes are up. So what we see is a total change in the balance in

:32:54.:32:58.

Britain and we're out of balance at the moment because we have Brexit

:32:59.:33:02.

and that is shaky and it makes us feel anxious and we see more

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expressions of hate across-the-board and so when I look at why this may

:33:08.:33:10.

have happened, I think, what needs to happen in the future, who is

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holding us in the balance? And the narratives and the enforcement needs

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to be much stronger. A final word. There are two main questions that

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need to come out of this. The first is how on earth was it necessary

:33:24.:33:27.

that we should have to take this action in order for the CPS to

:33:28.:33:31.

reconsider its decision? Why is it that Jews have to fight so hard to

:33:32.:33:42.

obtain justice? Why do you think you have to fight harder than others?

:33:43.:33:48.

Anti-semitism, I don't believe in the hierarchy, but anti-semitism is

:33:49.:33:54.

different and anti-semitism casts Jews not as inferior, it casts Jews

:33:55.:34:02.

as superior, you heard what Jeremy Bedford-Turner said there. There is

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something acceptable about that abuse? A lot of what Jeremy Bedford

:34:08.:34:13.

Turner said was directed at Jewish conspiracy as the state of Israel

:34:14.:34:17.

for example. People, not just on the far-right, but also on the far left

:34:18.:34:22.

and also Islamic extremists use this coded language to refer to Jews and

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I suppose the second question that comes out of this as well, which is

:34:27.:34:32.

important, is that the CPS got this point of law so badly wrong for two

:34:33.:34:36.

years until they hired a senior QC to defend the case and he told them

:34:37.:34:40.

that they just couldn't win. Thank you all. Thank you very much for

:34:41.:34:41.

coming on the programme. Thank you. Women in Ireland will be protesting

:34:42.:34:55.

on the country's total ban on abortion. We will hear about calls

:34:56.:34:59.

to get more med wives into specialist bereavement training.

:35:00.:35:02.

-- midwives. With the news, here's Annita

:35:03.:35:07.

in the BBC Newsroom. The Chancellor, Philip Hammond,

:35:08.:35:14.

will use his first Budget today to deliver what the Treasury has

:35:15.:35:16.

said will be an "upbeat" assessment of Britain's economic prospects

:35:17.:35:19.

while acknowledging that more He'll stress that the Government

:35:20.:35:21.

won't shirk difficult decisions on tax and spending to deal

:35:22.:35:24.

with the deficit. Lord Heseltine has been sacked

:35:25.:35:26.

as a Government adviser after rebelling over the legislation

:35:27.:35:31.

that will allow Theresa May to begin The Government suffered a second

:35:32.:35:34.

defeat on the Bill in the House of Lords yesterday after peers

:35:35.:35:40.

backed calls for a parliamentary The mother of a missing RAF airman

:35:41.:35:42.

has said new evidence linking a bin lorry to his disappearance "can only

:35:43.:35:49.

mean one thing." Suffolk Police have said the vehicle

:35:50.:35:54.

which was in the area where Corrie McKeague was last seen

:35:55.:35:57.

was carrying a much heavier Mr McKeague, who's 23,

:35:58.:35:59.

vanished during a night out A landfill site is

:36:00.:36:02.

now being searched. A former head of the CIA has said

:36:03.:36:09.

an apparent leak of thousands of the agency's files

:36:10.:36:13.

is incredibly damaging. The documents, which have been

:36:14.:36:14.

published by the website WikiLeaks, appear to reveal attempts to hack

:36:15.:36:18.

into electronic devices One file suggests the CIA and MI5

:36:19.:36:20.

had discovered how to record conversations using a microphone

:36:21.:36:29.

in a Samsung smart TV even when it The CIA has refused to comment

:36:30.:36:32.

on the document's authenticity. But the agency's former director,

:36:33.:36:37.

Michael Hayden said Join me for BBC

:36:38.:36:39.

Newsroom live at 11am. Thank you.

:36:40.:36:54.

Janet says, "It isn't often that I get as emotional watching television

:36:55.:36:58.

as I did watching James. Well done James. It must have been so hard,

:36:59.:37:02.

but I'm certain you will be an inspiration to young people out

:37:03.:37:06.

there. And your brave words could help save lives." Ann says, "James

:37:07.:37:10.

your words resounded with me after I lost my mum. What an intelligent

:37:11.:37:15.

young man and so courageous to speak out about your experience. It is the

:37:16.:37:19.

hardest thing when you feel like your world is shattered and picking

:37:20.:37:24.

up the pieces seem impossible at times. Keep doing what you love,

:37:25.:37:31.

football." Jen says, "James, an extraordinary young man. His courage

:37:32.:37:34.

by appearing on your programme be rewarded by highlighting mental

:37:35.:37:37.

health issues and also the importance of talking about suicide

:37:38.:37:40.

and its effect on families. Also how sport is playing such a huge part in

:37:41.:37:46.

providing a safe, inclusive and supportive environment for young and

:37:47.:37:50.

old to engage with others. Amid so many worrying news issues we need to

:37:51.:37:53.

remember there is a great deal of good in the world." There are so

:37:54.:38:03.

many. One more. Carmen says, "What a brave young man James is. I was in

:38:04.:38:10.

tears. Please let him know. If he was my son, I would be proud of him.

:38:11.:38:14.

I hope he finds happiness which he and his family deserve. Well done,

:38:15.:38:21.

James. Love from Carmen and Mike." We will make sure James gets them

:38:22.:38:23.

all. In sport, Arsene Wenger remains

:38:24.:38:27.

defiant after his side were knocked out of the Champions League,

:38:28.:38:33.

10-2 on aggregate The German champions won 5-1 again,

:38:34.:38:34.

this time at the Emirates, and Wenger blamed what he described

:38:35.:38:42.

as a "revolting" performance from the referee for

:38:43.:38:44.

the extent of the defeat. England ended the She Believes Cup

:38:45.:38:51.

with a narrow 1-0 defeat to European and Olympic champions

:38:52.:38:53.

Germany in Washington. France beat hosts USA

:38:54.:38:56.

3-0 to take the title. The fixtures for this summer's

:38:57.:38:58.

Women's cricket World Cup has been England will begin their home

:38:59.:39:01.

tournament in Derby facing Team Sky say they've made mistakes

:39:02.:39:04.

but take full responsibility for the controversy surrounding

:39:05.:39:14.

Sir Bradley Wiggins and the mystery They deny breaking

:39:15.:39:16.

anti-doping rules. Ireland has a near-total ban

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on abortion, meaning thousands of women every year travel abroad

:39:20.:39:31.

for a termination, with others breaking the law

:39:32.:39:33.

by taking abortion pills. Today, women around Ireland will

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protest for a change in the law. They want to see a referendum

:39:45.:39:47.

on the issue in the mainly Our reporter Joel Gunter has been

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talking to women in Dublin affected This woman was 20 weeks pregnant

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when she was told her baby had a fatal abnormality and was likely

:39:54.:39:57.

to die before she was born. I sat down and I kind of planned

:39:58.:40:00.

out her life and everything that she was going to do,

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and all the love I was Claire wanted to have an abortion,

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but she lives in Ireland where abortion is illegal

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unless a woman's life is at risk. She couldn't afford to pay

:40:11.:40:13.

for a termination abroad, so she was forced to wait five weeks

:40:14.:40:15.

for her daughter, Alex, I knew she was getting weaker

:40:16.:40:18.

and I knew she was going to die. I couldn't get my head around how

:40:19.:40:22.

I was going to go through with it. How physically, emotionally

:40:23.:40:26.

and mentally was I going Thousands of Irish women every year

:40:27.:40:28.

travel abroad for a termination, or take illegal abortion

:40:29.:40:32.

pills ordered online. Women across Ireland will take part

:40:33.:40:37.

in protest today to call for the repeal of the 8th Amendment,

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Ireland's constitutional Despite the 8th Amendment,

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women are having abortions The reason that we're taking

:40:43.:40:46.

this provocative stance is because our government is 50

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years behind where On the other side of the debate,

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one of the largest pro-life groups, Youth Defence, uses graphic abortion

:40:54.:41:00.

images to get its message across. Why are you still using the kind

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of shock tactics we have here today? Well, because they are

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the reality of abortion. These are children.

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They are as human as you or I. Just because their lives are short,

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that doesn't mean their lives And that their lives

:41:16.:41:18.

should be ended. A recent poll suggests more people

:41:19.:41:21.

in Ireland support legalising abortion in limited circumstances,

:41:22.:41:24.

rather than for all women. Pro-choice MP Ruth Coppinger said

:41:25.:41:27.

she feared the anti-abortion laws would be watered down

:41:28.:41:29.

rather than scrapped. The constitution is meant

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to be of broad statement It shouldn't be dealing

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with women's bodies. My generation was prevented

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from changing the 8th Amendment Campaigners at this meeting

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of pro-choice parents know They said they would continue

:41:45.:41:57.

fighting to give their daughters Abortion is only legal in Ireland

:41:58.:42:01.

if the mother's life it at risk, and not in cases of rape,

:42:02.:42:07.

incest or foetal anomaly. Having one carries

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a 14-year prison sentence. We can speak now to Niamh Ui Bhriain

:42:10.:42:18.

from The Life Institute. They're based in Ireland,

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and Campaign Against Abortion. Also with us is Aoife Frances,

:42:23.:42:24.

from Strike4Repeal, in Dublin, which has organised

:42:25.:42:26.

today's planned action. What is the significance of what's

:42:27.:42:32.

happening today? So, we launched the campaign in the end of January and

:42:33.:42:36.

we are calling on the Government to give us a date for a referendum to

:42:37.:42:40.

repeal the eighth. We have been waiting for decades and we have been

:42:41.:42:44.

organising for decades and so obviously the date for the

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referendum wasn't given so today we are going on strike and we are

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having action all over Ireland and all over the world to demand that

:42:51.:42:53.

the Government gives us the date for the referendum.

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What do you think of this action today? Well, think it is very

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important that your viewers understand that there is no strike

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for repeal. The media coverage of this campaign is just akin to fake

:43:08.:43:11.

news. We hear a lot about fake news and this is a prime example it. If

:43:12.:43:14.

anybody understands what a strike is, it is when people collectively

:43:15.:43:18.

leave their workplace without the authority of their employees,

:43:19.:43:21.

without pay, to agitate for better conditions. What the abortion

:43:22.:43:24.

campaigners have called for in Ireland is that people take a paid

:43:25.:43:30.

day's leave or wear black or do something else and they're calling

:43:31.:43:34.

that a strike for repeal. It is no such thing and the media coverage of

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this is just typical of everything abortion campaigners do in this

:43:40.:43:45.

country is covered enthusiastically and eager by by the media here and

:43:46.:43:52.

abroad. They don't reflect the reality of the situation. This is

:43:53.:43:56.

not a strike for repeal because the organisers understand they wouldn't

:43:57.:43:59.

get anybody to come out on strike. Are you saying there is no demand

:44:00.:44:06.

for an amending of the abortion laws in your country? In the case of a

:44:07.:44:11.

woman what has been raped and becomes pregnant, in the case of

:44:12.:44:15.

somebody who is the victim of incest and becomes pregnant. It would be

:44:16.:44:18.

illegal to have an abortion in both those circumstances? Well, I think

:44:19.:44:22.

it is very interesting when you look at the polls, Victoria and they are

:44:23.:44:25.

bad news for the people who are campaigning to repeal the right to

:44:26.:44:29.

life of unborn children because what we're seeing is that despite the

:44:30.:44:33.

enormous amount of money that's come in from abroad for the abortion

:44:34.:44:38.

campaign in Ireland and despite the media support the polls show that

:44:39.:44:41.

support for repealing the eighth amendment has actually fallen and I

:44:42.:44:45.

understand that there are circumstances that are very

:44:46.:44:48.

difficult, and everybody feels for women who are pregnant in these

:44:49.:44:51.

difficult circumstances, but ma the majority of Irish people see is

:44:52.:44:54.

there is always a better answer than abortion. Abortion kills a bye-by.

:44:55.:45:05.

Baby, it hurts a woman. We could do better than reverting to abortion.

:45:06.:45:08.

Why do you believe it is right to force a woman to have a baby, a baby

:45:09.:45:11.

that is conceived because the woman has been raped?

:45:12.:45:17.

This is a very difficult situation, nobody wants to become pregnant

:45:18.:45:22.

after being raped, I understand that. Why is it OK to force women to

:45:23.:45:28.

carry it out? I am answering your question. I am not trying to force

:45:29.:45:36.

anybody. The legislation does. If you would let me finish, Victoria, I

:45:37.:45:41.

am trying to ensure women's support -- received the support they need.

:45:42.:45:47.

Up to 80% of women in any given year who become pregnant because of rape

:45:48.:45:53.

do not look to have an abortion and women have said what they need in

:45:54.:45:56.

these circumstances is long-term support and care. Sorry, can I just

:45:57.:46:01.

finished? They also acknowledge one reason they do not look for an

:46:02.:46:05.

abortion is they see their baby as an innocent party as well, so we

:46:06.:46:08.

need to protect and love them both rather than looking to kill a child

:46:09.:46:13.

is a solution to a crisis in pregnancy. How do you respond to

:46:14.:46:17.

that? I did not think we would be talking about fake news, anyway. The

:46:18.:46:23.

strike today is symbolic and follows symbolic strikes around the world,

:46:24.:46:26.

we have as people to take an annual leave day which people have,

:46:27.:46:31.

thousands of students and parents have organised. We have over 50

:46:32.:46:37.

regional groups in Ireland and the world, from Aberdeen to Argentina so

:46:38.:46:41.

that thousands taking part today, so not sure what the significance of

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the point about the strike was, it is a social strike. We would not as

:46:45.:46:51.

people to work -- into their workplaces because that is not an

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industrial dispute. But there is a huge amount of support. In terms of

:46:56.:46:59.

the comments about rape and incest, I don't feel like that and so was

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sufficient. 4,000 women a year travel from Ireland to the UK to

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access abortion, that is 12 women a day. I don't think she has the right

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to speak on behalf of women and what they choose to do because women are

:47:14.:47:18.

already making this choice, Irish abortions happen, women who live

:47:19.:47:21.

here travel to the UK and thousands more get abortion help. These

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abortions already happen and we need to support women's rights to choose

:47:29.:47:32.

and make sure the abortions are safe and accessible because they are

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already happening. A couple of points to go back on, Ireland's

:47:38.:47:41.

abortion rate in contract to Britain is very low and has been falling for

:47:42.:47:47.

the last 11 years. One in every five babies in Britain is aborted before

:47:48.:47:51.

birth and in Ireland, that is one in every 20. If we adopted the British

:47:52.:47:56.

model of abortion, we would see an increase of 10,000 abortions every

:47:57.:48:01.

year and I know from going door and my organisation is doing a massive

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national canvass on this issue and most reasonable people would tell

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you they don't want more abortion, in my view, any decent person should

:48:10.:48:13.

not want more abortions to take place. They say this precisely

:48:14.:48:18.

because they recognise that our two people involved in any pregnancy and

:48:19.:48:22.

they want a model created where we look after both mother and baby.

:48:23.:48:27.

People never seem to grasp this reality and they do not recognise

:48:28.:48:32.

the humanity of the baby, and science and medicine says that

:48:33.:48:38.

cannot be denied. That our two human beings involved in every pregnancy

:48:39.:48:42.

and if we want to be progressive and compassionate, and I believe this

:48:43.:48:45.

country does, we need to look at solutions to care for both mother

:48:46.:48:50.

and baby instead of all the same, let's kill the child.

:48:51.:48:51.

Thank you, both. Today's the day where the man

:48:52.:48:55.

in charge of Government finances - the Chancellor, Philip Hammond -

:48:56.:48:58.

updates us all on the state of the economy, the UK

:48:59.:49:00.

Government's spending plans, The Chancellor's decisions

:49:01.:49:02.

will affect all of us. Norman is in Westminster. A grey day

:49:03.:49:14.

in Westminster and that is possibly appropriate as it might be a great

:49:15.:49:19.

Budget. You normally get a big drum roll and promises of all sorts of

:49:20.:49:22.

policies and announcements, quite the reverse this time. The attitude

:49:23.:49:27.

is almost, move along, please, nothing is happening here. The

:49:28.:49:31.

reason, the Chancellor believes there is no SPAM money around. That

:49:32.:49:35.

comment? Let's discuss that with Labour MP Wes Streeting and former

:49:36.:49:41.

Chief Whip Mark Harper. It is a choice the Chancellor is making, he

:49:42.:49:44.

could find the money for public services struggling, through taxes,

:49:45.:49:49.

borrowing, taxes, but he does not want to. The Chancellor made it

:49:50.:49:54.

clear early in the week that although the economic news may be

:49:55.:49:58.

reasonably upbeat, we are still running a deficit. He does not have

:49:59.:50:03.

suddenly spare --. He may have the ability to borrow more money but as

:50:04.:50:06.

he said, because your credit card limit has increased, you do not have

:50:07.:50:11.

the run up more debt, that is how we got into the public finance mess. We

:50:12.:50:19.

have been borrowing for years and we face a crisis now in social care, so

:50:20.:50:23.

why does he not step in? The Government already has made

:50:24.:50:26.

available more money for social care, both directly and enabling

:50:27.:50:31.

councils to increase the social care precept part of the council tax, but

:50:32.:50:35.

as he pointed out, some local authorities deal with social care

:50:36.:50:39.

really well and do not have severe problems, others not so well. Part

:50:40.:50:44.

of it is about money and part of its spending money most effectively. The

:50:45.:50:48.

Labour response seems to be to keep borrowing and borrowing. That is our

:50:49.:50:55.

message today, there are areas the Government needs to invest in

:50:56.:50:59.

property tree care because per head spending in the NHS is going down in

:51:00.:51:04.

coming years although pressures are going up because of the ageing

:51:05.:51:08.

population, and schools in my constituency face Budget cuts.

:51:09.:51:13.

Budget is determined the priorities of the Government and by any

:51:14.:51:19.

measure, people across the country... Spending in real terms on

:51:20.:51:23.

health and education are going down when they should be priorities.

:51:24.:51:27.

Maybe the Chancellor is being canny, Brexit is down the road and we don't

:51:28.:51:31.

know what it will be like when we leave and the impact on the economy

:51:32.:51:36.

so maybe he is playing it cautious and keeping money back. Some of the

:51:37.:51:41.

cuts he is making now, particularly around Health and Social Care Act,

:51:42.:51:44.

will have longer term impacts the cost is more. You are right to talk

:51:45.:51:48.

about the looming backdrop which is Europe. Just last week, the former

:51:49.:51:51.

Conservative Prime Minister John Major argued the government has set

:51:52.:51:55.

us on a course with a different economic model, so we can no longer

:51:56.:51:59.

afford public service the way we could, and even George Osborne said

:52:00.:52:02.

the House of Commons the comment has chosen not to make the economy the

:52:03.:52:07.

priority. If I was Philip Hammond against a structural weakness in the

:52:08.:52:11.

economy, pressure on finances, and Brexit, and would be very worried.

:52:12.:52:16.

Is the reason public services do not get money because of fears of what

:52:17.:52:24.

Brexit means? No, we have protected spending on the health service and

:52:25.:52:27.

schools in real terms, so we are investing for the future. I am very

:52:28.:52:32.

pleased the Chancellor is cautious and the public want a Finance

:52:33.:52:35.

Minister who is cautious and careful with their money. Thanks very much.

:52:36.:52:39.

I am seriously concerned for the well-being of the White Rabbit

:52:40.:52:42.

because it looks like this is the first Budget in a long time when we

:52:43.:52:44.

don't see any! Thank you very much.

:52:45.:52:48.

The Royal College of Midwives is calling for more midwives to be

:52:49.:52:51.

trained to specialise in bereavement as, at the moment, there is no

:52:52.:52:54.

mandatory training for maternity staff to deal with the issue and no

:52:55.:52:56.

That's despite around 15 babies dying before,

:52:57.:53:02.

during or soon after birth every day in England and Wales.

:53:03.:53:04.

And in the UK in 2015, one in every 227 births was a stillbirth.

:53:05.:53:09.

We can speak now to Laura Wyatt who, last night, was named

:53:10.:53:11.

She's been a midwife for 16 years and was nominated by Jodie Vaughan,

:53:12.:53:16.

whose first son died whilst she was in labour in 2015.

:53:17.:53:21.

Laura went on to provide antenatal care during Jodie's very

:53:22.:53:24.

Jodie is in Cardiff now with her eight-month-old, Henry. Hello, thank

:53:25.:53:38.

you for coming on. Jodie, how did Laura help you? She helped immensely

:53:39.:53:43.

as a family going through such an awful time. She helped with very

:53:44.:53:49.

small tasks, two massive things that we could never have done it by

:53:50.:53:54.

ourselves. From the funeral arrangements to supporting,

:53:55.:54:02.

supporting and chasing nationals and helping others and being there for

:54:03.:54:05.

us and laughing with those and crying with ours. And just being her

:54:06.:54:10.

caring self, really. Without her, but would not have had my necklace

:54:11.:54:18.

with my baby's fingerprint, Archie's fingerprint. So she has just been

:54:19.:54:22.

immense and she helped us through a pregnancy with Henry and hopefully

:54:23.:54:27.

for future pregnancies as well. Any time I was worried all scared or

:54:28.:54:31.

anxious, about anything that would happen in pregnancy with Henry, she

:54:32.:54:36.

helped me and got me a scan as soon as was possible. Let me bring in

:54:37.:54:44.

Laura. From what Jodie has described, it is a practical side of

:54:45.:54:47.

things, it is very much the emotional side of things. Yes,

:54:48.:54:51.

absolutely, and doing things at the pace of the parent, not to overwhelm

:54:52.:54:56.

them. They are going to a process of immense grief. So it is just

:54:57.:55:03.

sometimes a case of going, going three things time and time again

:55:04.:55:08.

will stop at their own pace. And they need, then needs for the

:55:09.:55:16.

funeral arrangements. Getting the fingerprints for Jodie's necklace.

:55:17.:55:22.

Little things. That was Jodie's idea, but I did it. Just those

:55:23.:55:25.

little practical things that you want to make it a bit easier for the

:55:26.:55:33.

parents during their immense grief. Have you had that specialist

:55:34.:55:37.

training? I have been very proactive myself with regards to going on

:55:38.:55:44.

bereavement training courses. I have done counselling courses, so it is

:55:45.:55:50.

something I have been very proactive in, the Royal College of Midwives

:55:51.:55:53.

has a learning package, to develop by role, so I have been very

:55:54.:55:57.

proactive with regards to bereavement care and I am very much

:55:58.:56:03.

involved in the maternity network in Wales for the bereavement subgroup

:56:04.:56:07.

and I am very lucky that I have got a head of midwifery and senior

:56:08.:56:09.

management colleagues that really support my role. What does this

:56:10.:56:14.

would mean to you and the facts Jodie nominated you? To win the

:56:15.:56:20.

regional was absolutely amazing, but to win overall! Still in a bit of

:56:21.:56:29.

shock, I think. For Jodie to even explore, and think that is what, it

:56:30.:56:38.

was that gut feeling. Yes, Jodie felt that I have given her the care

:56:39.:56:46.

that she wanted. Bless them. Parents, it is unbelievable. And

:56:47.:56:49.

well done to the other nominees as well, I think we all do a great job.

:56:50.:56:53.

Thank you very much. Thank you so much for going into our studio in

:56:54.:56:57.

Cardiff and thank you to Henry. Thank you. So many comments from you

:56:58.:57:04.

about James, the 21-year-old on our programme before ten o'clock,

:57:05.:57:09.

talking about his mental health issues after he lost his father who

:57:10.:57:15.

took his own life and James's 15th birthday. James told us how when he

:57:16.:57:19.

was sectioned in a psychiatric unit, one of the occupational therapist

:57:20.:57:24.

said, do you want to play football? You said, O K.

:57:25.:57:27.

And football has saved his life. Kevin says, I am a 60-year-old man

:57:28.:57:33.

with cancer and clinical depression, I have a 24-year-old son. I have

:57:34.:57:37.

felt less like living and have thoughts of ending my life. It must

:57:38.:57:41.

have been fake I turned on to watch games this morning. My son is as

:57:42.:57:45.

wonderful as James and to put him through what James has gone through

:57:46.:57:49.

and is going through is something I can no longer contemplate after

:57:50.:57:52.

watching James. Thank you, James, you have to stick standard my life

:57:53.:57:56.

and saved damaging my son's, good luck.

:57:57.:58:02.

-- you have just saved my life. Debbie says, I have never contacted

:58:03.:58:05.

a TV programme, I am moved to conduct you because of the young man

:58:06.:58:09.

James. I suffered from psychosis when I was 15 in the 1980s. I still

:58:10.:58:14.

feel like a misfit, watching and listening to James has inspired me

:58:15.:58:19.

to do something else. With my life. James can go on national TV to bare

:58:20.:58:25.

his soul, so I can do this as well. He is inspirational and I am

:58:26.:58:27.

grateful to him. Thank you so much for getting in

:58:28.:58:32.

touch. Joanna is here tomorrow from nine a.m., have a good day.

:58:33.:58:34.

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