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Hello, it's Friday, it's nine o'clock, I'm Joanna Gosling.

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Britain's top-secret surveillance agency

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says the idea that it spied on Donald Trump is nonsense.

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Sean Spicer, the president's press secretary, has backed claims

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that GCHQ was involved in tapping phones for Barack Obama.

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He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA,

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and he didn't use the Department of Justice.

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It's the initials for the British intelligence spying agency.

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So simply, by having two people saying to them,

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the President needs transcripts of conversations involving

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Candidate Trump, conversations involving President-elect Trump,

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he's able to get it, and there's no American fingerprints on it.

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The Government's too scared to hold a second independence

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That's what the deputy leader of the SNP Angus Robertson

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will tell his party's spring conference in Aberdeen later.

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We'll have the latest on the calls for a second vote on independence.

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Families with disabled children say they are not getting the help

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they need to care for them with some saying they get no help at all,

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and many relying more and more on friends and family.

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Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning.

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Lots to talk to us about today, including if you are a family

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caring for a disabled child, tell us about your experiences,

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do you get the help and support you need?

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Do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning,

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use #VictoriaLIVE, and if you text, you will be charged

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Our top story today - Britain's surveillance agency, GCHQ,

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has described claims that it was asked by President Obama

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to spy on Donald Trump as "utterly ridiculous".

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It's unusual for the agency to issue public statements, but it says

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that claims first made on Fox News and repeated by the White House

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press secretary are "nonsense" and "should be ignored".

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Our news correspondent Richard Lister is with me.

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Richard, tell us first of all how it came about that GCHQ was in the

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frame. I suppose we should go back to the original allegation which

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came from President Trump, who said on the 4th of March, terrible, just

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found out Obama had my wires tapped in Trump Tower just before the

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victory, nothing found,, so immediately, of course, the White

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House press corps were trying to get to the bottom of this, what evidence

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was there of any tapping also bailing of the campaign? This was

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never really and said by the White House, who pointed to various media

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sources but gave no specifics. -- answered. The Senate intelligence

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committee said there was no evidence of surveillance, and that was put

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back to Sean Spicer, and he said the president stood by those claims

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because, he said, it was reported on Fox News by a commentator, and the

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report says, sources have told Fox News that President Obama probably

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used a foreign intelligence service called GCHQ, so that is where GCHQ

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comes into the frame. They have said this is categorically untrue. They

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almost never comment about things, they tend to neither confirm nor

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deny, and really they do not issue statements as a matter of policy,

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but in this case it is quite categorical, saying, recent

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allegations made by Andrew Napolitano by GCHQ being asked to

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conduct wiretapping against the then President-elect nonsense, and it

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goes on to say they are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored.

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Thank you, Richard. Annita McVeigh is in the BBC

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Newsroom with a summary The SNP will today accuse

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the Government of being too scared to allow a second

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independence referendum. Deputy leader Angus Robertson

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will open his party's spring conference by saying

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the Conservatives have a "desperate desire"

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to prevent anyone rejecting Brexit. But Theresa May will tell

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her own party conference in Cardiff that she'll fight to keep what

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she calls the "precious union". Our Scotland correspondent

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Lorna Gordon reports. Two leaders, both talking

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tough in the battle over Scotland's future -

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Theresa May rejecting a referendum on independence before

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the UK leaves the EU, Nicola Sturgeon determined

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it should go ahead, I think it would be completely

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unacceptable and outrageous, and almost anti-democratic,

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for a Conservative government with one MP in Scotland to seek

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to block the democratic will of the Scottish Parliament,

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and stand in the way of the Scottish people having the right

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to choose our own future. Ms Sturgeon will use her party

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conference in Aberdeen to that Downing Street's position

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is unsustainable. 2,000 party members who will pack

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this hall later will likely agree. Elsewhere in the Granite City,

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the views were mixed. Maybe sometime in the future,

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we can vote on it. Is it next year they're

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proposing, I don't think... for me, that's not something

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I'd like to vote on. Although Theresa May says

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wait until after a deal, the deal is about being taken

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out of Europe. So I think Nicola Sturgeon has

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a right to hold that, and I don't think Theresa May has

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any right to stop her. It has been two years

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since the people of Scotland first voted on whether to leave

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the United Kingdom. Both sides are instead focused

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on trying to persuade people in Scotland that they are right

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about the timing of any possible Hungary is pressing ahead

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with the construction of two container camps for asylum-seekers

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on its border with Serbia, despite a chorus of

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international criticism. By the end of March,

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the government plans to keep including families and

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unaccompanied teenagers. When Hungary says it's taking tough

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action to stop migration, It is holding these migrants

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at a detention centre We are allowed to speak

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to them from the street. We are not terrorists,

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we are not criminals. This is not a camp, it is a prison.

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They are treating us like animals. But Hungary sees

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no reason to back down. This month, the Prime Minister

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took charge of a new group A new law now gives

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the government even more power Hungary plans to hold them

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all in these containers it is setting up next

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to the border with Serbia. "These are civilised places to live

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in," the contractor says. "European workers certainly

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find them acceptable." Hungary says that the migrants

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to be held in these containers so long as they head in just

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a single direction - south. They will be free to walk,

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just a few metres down here and they would cross back

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into Serbia, away from the EU, These young migrants are stuck

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on the Serbian side. The rest of the European Union

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may publicly criticise the actions of Hungary,

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but quietly Europe may put up with anything that

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keeps migrants back. The US Secretary of State

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has said military action against nuclear armed North Korea

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was an "option on the table". Rex Tillerson made the remarks

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during a visit to the demilitarised Is said American policy of strategic

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patience had ended. The UK's biggest ever fine

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for river pollution The company's admitted

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to breaching more than a dozen Stretches of water in Oxfordshire

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and Buckinghamshire were heavily Every secondary school in England

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could lose the equivalent according to an

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education think-tank. The Education Policy Institute says

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schools will see cuts averaging nearly ?300,000

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over the next three years. But the Government says funding

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is at an all-time high Parents and pupils in Nantwich,

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Cheshire, protesting last month about a lack of funding for their

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schools compared to other areas. The Government has plans

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to redistribute funds - it says more fairly -

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and it says at ?40 billion this year, school funding in England

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is the highest it has ever been. Despite this, today's report

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confirms no school will avoid a real-terms cut in budget

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over the next few years. Schools are facing

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significant cost pressures. The cost of running the school

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increases, rising number of students and from local authorities

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having less money to spend. So whilst the distribution

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of money might be fairer, there is simply not enough money

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in the system The Education Policy Institute

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estimates that by 2020 the average real-terms loss of funding

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per primary school will be ?74,000, and per secondary school

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the average cut will be ?291,000. That equates to every primary school

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losing two teachers, and every secondary school

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losing six. The Government says

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it does recognise the pressures schools in England are facing

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and is helping them to make savings. The Government has placed

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a temporary restriction on its advertising on YouTube

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and asked its owner, Google, to explain why adverts are appearing

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alongside extremist material. The move follows an investigation

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by the Times which said that rape apologists,

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anti-Semites and banned hate preachers were receiving payouts

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from autoplaying government adverts The paper says a number

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of global brands have also pulled their advertising

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from the internet giant Indonesia has summoned the British

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ambassador after a ship operated by a British company

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ran aground on a coral reef, On 4th March, the 4,290-ton

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Caledonian Sky hit reefs off an island in Raja Ampat,

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Papua province, at low tide. The region is famous

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for its biodiversity and the boat was taking tourists

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on a bird-watching expedition. The incident has caused outrage

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in Indonesia and local officials have suggested the captain

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could face criminal charges. Haddock caught in the west

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of Scotland and in the North Sea has been taken off a list

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of sustainable fish to eat. The Marine Conservation Society says

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stocks declined last year and action is needed to boost

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the number of breeding-age fish. But the decision's been criticised

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by Scottish fishermen. got a nasty surprise

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when their train pulled in. Those waiting at Rhinecliff station

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were caught in a wave of snow as their train arrived

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at the station, engulfing those closest

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to the tracks. The national rail operator Amtrak

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says no-one was hurt. A video of the episode

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has been viewed What a start to the morning commute!

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But is it from me for the moment, more and 9:30.

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I don't know who I feel more sorry for, the people who were hit by the

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snow or the driver, who must have got the fright of their life! Some

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comments from you on help for disabled families caring for

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disabled people, Anthony on Facebook, once again, the disabled

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are an easy target for cuts because we are the minority, the Government

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does not think we have a voice cloud enough to complain compare to other

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groups. Elisabeth on Facebook, it is true that we get little or no

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support, local authorities will never say yes to support if they can

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find a small, pathetic reason not to. Families' views are supposed to

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be represented but setting up forums has been dumped on families with

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special needs, and we are expected to do this full-time job for free on

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top of looking after our children and beating their many needs,

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frankly a joke. We are going to be talking to two mothers of disabled

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children in just a few moments, and also a coalition of charities

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getting together to highlight this particular issue of a lack of care,

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so do keep on getting in touch with your thoughts on that if you are

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affected. If you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. We can catch up with the sport with

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Olly, and Manchester United through to the quarterfinals of the Europa

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League, but Jose Mourinho is still not happy. No, the Portuguese has

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been in a bit of a funk all week, remember they lost against Chelsea

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on Monday night in the FA Cup, had that gruelling overnight bus journey

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back to Manchester. They won last night at Manchester United, -- at

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Old Trafford, against Rostov, but Paul Pogba pulled up with a

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hamstring problem, the most expensive player in the world, not

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sure how long he will be out for, a couple of weeks at least. Juan Mata

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score the winner on the night, they go through 2-1 on aggregate. Sergio

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Romero had to pull off a couple of great saves late on, or they would

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have gone into extra time. United into the quarterfinal draw, but Jose

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Mourinho was talking about having enemies, we think he is talking

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about those who put the fixture lists together, not having done my

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cabbie about playing Monday, Thursday and Sunday. Roy Keane said

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he was talking rubbish, perhaps the club is too big for him, but they

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are into the draw, which is later. They won, but he is not happy, the

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quarterfinal draw being held in Lyon. The clubs to avoid include

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Leon, Ajax and Schalke. In the next hour, the Champions League draw is

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there as well, Leicester are the only British club in that, who will

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they want to avoid? All of them probably! Barcelona, Real Madrid,

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Bayern Munich in there as well, no dodging a really tricky tie for

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Leicester, they are 20-1 outsiders if you fancy a flutter, Joanna, not

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5000-1, but outsiders nonetheless. It is the final day of Cheltenham.

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St Patrick Steve spirit. Nowhere else today but Cheltenham.

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Beautiful weather. Brilliant week for the Irish

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so far, hoovered up in six The great trainer jockey combo

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of Willie Mullins and Ruby Walsh. Hadn't won any races

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on the first two days. They had four yesterday including

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the main race the Stayers Hurdle. Mullins and Walsh have

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the favourite Djakadam in the Gold Cup today but it's

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a wide open field with Colin Tizzard He works with his head on his chest

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and he rips up over and he gets to the top, here's a happy horse. He is

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not ready for anything else yet, here's a racehorse and he loves

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that. He has as good a chance as he will ever have. How do you tell a

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horse is happy? It probably does not have a long face! You have

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interesting pictures of a golf course.

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The Arnold Palmer Invitaional in Orlando.

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First round, all the top golfers are there, and Cody Gribble.

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Here he was wandering down the 6th fairway.

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And got rid of this saying "they're not going to catch you".

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Bringing up a disabled child is hard enough for any

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family, but almost seven out of ten families never get

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support caring for their disabled children, new research suggests.

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In a survey of more than 2,000 families carried out by

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the Disabled Children's Partnership, a coalition of leading children

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and disability charities, many parents said the only support

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they had was from friends and family.

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The Department for Education said it wanted to make sure families

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with disabled children felt supported so they are giving

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councils almost ?200 billion to spend on local services by 2020.

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Here this morning are: Amanda Batten, who is the Chair

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of the Disabled Children's Partnership, Tahira Crow,

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the mum of 15-year-old George who has a rare genetic

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She is receiving some social care but says it's not enough.

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And Hayley Smallmann, a mum who is also a full time carer

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She didn't have any support for about eight years, has some now,

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Tell us about your daughter's care needs and the pressure it puts on

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you. Holly has multiple illnesses, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, chronic

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lung disease, Jackie Austin the dependent, gastronomy dependent, she

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requires highly skilled medically trained people to care for her. 24

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hours a day seven days a week, which myself and my husband do, to keep

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her alive. Holly's prognosis is she is life limited. Each day brings a

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different challenge for us. You and your husband are full-time carers

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and you do a very highly skilled job in caring for Holly. Tells what to

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do. Yes. We have to be specially trained to react to everything that

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Holly does. We do the job of an intensive care team at home.

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Holly... I house is set up around Holly. We have machines to monitor

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our oxygen, heart rate, blood pressure, temperature, we are

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constantly monitoring her to keep her well. For years you had no help.

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You get some. What difference does it make? What amount of help you

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getting? For many years we had no help at all and we relied on my

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sister, otherwise I do not know what would've happened to us, but we

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reach the point where might we felt we reached crisis point ourselves

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when my husband and myself were physically and mentally exhausted

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through caring. We got something called direct payments which is some

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hours a week which enable us to employ somebody to assist us

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together Holly a better quality of life, which is all really wanted. We

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found that all the care we were doing at home was very intense and

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we needed to do this but we were missing out on loving life as well

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as a family and it had an impact on my other children as well. They are

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just as important as Holly and our family life was seriously

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compromised. We were not having any family time together. You have to

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match other children. Yes. It took a long time to get help. Did you not

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know you were entitled? It was not freely offered. When you have a

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child with very complex health needs it is a very fragmented system.

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There is not a very good signposting. People do not really

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give you the option of care. They expect I think a lot of parents to

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know what is out there. We felt, I felt I was juggling Holly's care,

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but as having to fight to justify why I needed the help I needed. For

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a parent to have to do that, to put their hands up and say I am

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struggling to look after my daughter, it is a very hard thing to

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have to admit for a mother to say that, and I do not think any family

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should have to be forced to say that. Initially what would have

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worked better as it services around us could recognise the need and

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early intervention would stop anything like that happening to

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other families. You have a 15-year-old child with special needs

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as well. Your son George. Tell us about him. George has a rare genetic

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syndrome that affects his pancreas and bone marrow. And skeletal. Those

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are the main characteristics of the syndrome. He also has autism of the

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severe end. He needs 24-hour care. Obviously meant my husband deliver

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that. With family support. And good friends network. Tell us about the

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pressures, we heard about Healy. You sort of just manage with the daily

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challenges that you face. Because George has quite a lot of health

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needs as well as the autism, it is trying to balance, because he has a

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lot of regular checkups for his health, and also helping him cope

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with daily life. He has so have medication, he needs constant

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supervision. You do get some help. It was a long time coming. Yes. We

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receive direct payments which we have done for about the night years

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so we employ somebody to take George out. Unfortunately he is at

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universities so he can only offer help during the summer and it has

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been really difficult to recruit somebody else because this is our

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son and we do not want just anybody, we want somebody who understands

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George's needs. We also fairly recently have received a short break

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facility through action for children. Unfortunately we only get

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one night a month which is not a lot. However George has coped

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extremely well with it. It has brought him on. His independence, he

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loves going. He is there with other peers. It broadens his spectrum of

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meeting new people. Our next battle is to ask for extra nights so George

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could perhaps be for a weekend and give Gary and I, my husband and I, a

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break from the caring. You work as well. I do. It must be relentless.

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It did, after having George, when he had his diagnosis, I went back to

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work, part-time, an opportunity for some career progression came up so I

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went full-time but unfortunately I could only sustain that for four

:25:18.:25:21.

months and realised with the pressures of all the different

:25:22.:25:25.

things George needed that I would have to retreat back to part-time so

:25:26.:25:32.

my husband works full-time. That impacted on our lives. Lots of

:25:33.:25:38.

people getting in touch. Lorraine says I have to match boys with

:25:39.:25:43.

autism and at the moment I have had a lot of support and the cuts are

:25:44.:25:49.

scary, life is hard enough without having to worry about being able to

:25:50.:25:53.

afford everyday needs especially if they get more complex. The passes

:25:54.:25:58.

physical disabilities and mental health issues often go hand in hand

:25:59.:26:02.

and sometimes you get help and one are not the other. Jane says most

:26:03.:26:07.

families with disabled children feel ground down by the system. And it

:26:08.:26:12.

says no disabled person gets the support they need, it is a postcode

:26:13.:26:16.

lottery, unless you're classed as they deemed nursing care your left

:26:17.:26:25.

to it. Hardly any help to access community or have supported remain

:26:26.:26:28.

independent in the Hall and almost impossible to get disabled

:26:29.:26:32.

facilities, grants for working families and the crisis was

:26:33.:26:38.

wheelchair services is miserable. Amanda, you're with the coalition

:26:39.:26:42.

representing the various disabled charities, this has hit a nerve,

:26:43.:26:46.

your researchers found a lot of people in the same bolt. Yes. We

:26:47.:26:55.

pulled over 6000 families and 69% older they had ever received any

:26:56.:26:58.

support in caring for their disabled child other than through family and

:26:59.:27:02.

friends. About a quarter said they did not receive support from their

:27:03.:27:07.

family either. Those families end up feeling very isolated. They have

:27:08.:27:13.

talked with a fantastic job they do and the pressures they face. And the

:27:14.:27:17.

difference some sort of fairly low-level even family support

:27:18.:27:23.

services can be transformational for the families. You are talking about

:27:24.:27:31.

cuts in budget between 2010 and 2015 but hearing from our panel these

:27:32.:27:43.

issues have been going on for years. Absolutely. Why we have come

:27:44.:27:48.

together now as the partnership is because as 28 different charities we

:27:49.:27:53.

are troubled with the ongoing lack of support for families but also we

:27:54.:27:59.

have just had a budget where disabled children were not mentioned

:28:00.:28:04.

at all and more widely in the social reform agenda there is never any

:28:05.:28:07.

mention of disabled children and their families and we think that

:28:08.:28:10.

needs to change. The government says it is spending ?50 billion a year

:28:11.:28:17.

supporting disabled people and councils are getting 200 billion by

:28:18.:28:20.

2020 to spend on local services. How does that time? You have heard from

:28:21.:28:30.

those experiences that that does not correspond with families'

:28:31.:28:34.

experiences. We know that social cabbages are being increasingly

:28:35.:28:42.

squeezed. -- social care budgets. Most services are experiencing cuts.

:28:43.:28:48.

That support for services which support the family took care, to

:28:49.:28:56.

stay together, to be able to work, are the kinds of services that are

:28:57.:28:59.

being chipped away at across the country. Do you feel it is an easy

:29:00.:29:06.

hit for local authorities? Totally. I also think it is really... They

:29:07.:29:14.

are not doing enough scoping of the children in their local areas. They

:29:15.:29:19.

are not meeting their needs. It is a very ticked box exercise when they

:29:20.:29:24.

are seeing we are providing short breaks. Myself and my daughter

:29:25.:29:30.

received 21 days a year respite but that is from a children's hospice

:29:31.:29:36.

which is a to and the demand on the charity because of the lack of

:29:37.:29:41.

government funding coming down to us is frightening because what will

:29:42.:29:46.

happen when the charity are completely exhausted of all their

:29:47.:29:54.

resources? Talking about charities being exhausted of resources, these

:29:55.:29:59.

are humans, people like you, at the heart of this, keeping things going,

:30:00.:30:05.

and it cannot be easy. No. It certainly is not. Getting by with

:30:06.:30:08.

the daily day-to-day survival kind of thing, and supporting George with

:30:09.:30:16.

his immediate needs, then to have to... It does not come to you, you

:30:17.:30:22.

have to seek these services out and it is through other families in the

:30:23.:30:26.

same situation talking to other parents that you find out what the

:30:27.:30:32.

services are about and then you have to go and seek it out for

:30:33.:30:38.

yourselves. When you are feeling exhausted anyway I'm tired that is

:30:39.:30:40.

not easy. Thank you all very much for coming

:30:41.:30:49.

in, and thank you for your comments, do keep them coming.

:30:50.:30:52.

Still to come: "A flagrant violation of international law".

:30:53.:30:54.

That's how human rights groups and refugee organisations

:30:55.:30:56.

are describing Hungary's new policy of detaining migrants in containers.

:30:57.:30:59.

and the Hungarian government shortly.

:31:00.:31:04.

?12 million has been raised for the crisis in East Africa as drought and

:31:05.:31:10.

conflict racks the region, we will hear you dumb I carry you can help

:31:11.:31:16.

16 million people in urgent need. -- we will hear how you can help.

:31:17.:31:19.

Annita McVeigh or is in the newsroom.

:31:20.:31:21.

Britain's surveillance agency, GCHQ, has described claims

:31:22.:31:24.

that it was asked by President Obama to spy on Donald Trump

:31:25.:31:27.

The unusual move to issue a statement came after White House

:31:28.:31:35.

press secretary Sean Spicer quoted claims first made on US TV channel

:31:36.:31:37.

The SNP will today accuse the Government of being too scared

:31:38.:31:43.

to allow a second independence referendum.

:31:44.:31:45.

Deputy leader Angus Robertson will open his party's

:31:46.:31:48.

spring conference by saying the Conservatives

:31:49.:31:49.

have a "desperate desire" to prevent anyone rejecting Brexit.

:31:50.:31:51.

But Theresa May will tell her own party conference in Cardiff

:31:52.:31:54.

that she'll fight to keep what she calls the "precious union".

:31:55.:32:02.

Southern Railway guards in the RMT union are to stage a fresh

:32:03.:32:05.

24-hour strike on 4th April in the continuing row over staffing

:32:06.:32:08.

The news comes after the drivers' union, Aslef,

:32:09.:32:12.

reached a revised deal with the train firm's parent company,

:32:13.:32:15.

Aslef members, who rejected a previous deal struck

:32:16.:32:20.

with the company, are set to vote on the new

:32:21.:32:22.

The UK's biggest ever fine for river pollution

:32:23.:32:36.

is expected to be imposed on Thames Water today.

:32:37.:32:38.

The company's admitted to breaching more than a dozen

:32:39.:32:40.

Stretches of water in Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire were heavily

:32:41.:32:44.

Haddock caught west of Scotland and in the North Sea,

:32:45.:32:47.

has been taken off a list of sustainable fish to eat.

:32:48.:32:50.

The Marine Conservation Society says stocks declined last year

:32:51.:32:52.

and action is needed to boost the number of breeding-age fish.

:32:53.:32:55.

But the decision's been criticised by Scottish fishermen.

:32:56.:33:03.

A security sniffer dog has been shot dead at New Zealand's biggest

:33:04.:33:10.

airport after it grounded flights after escaping its leash.

:33:11.:33:13.

Authorities say the ten-month-old could not be captured after it ran

:33:14.:33:17.

away from its handler. Animal rights groups have asked why the dog could

:33:18.:33:21.

not have been tranquillised instead. That is a summary of the latest BBC

:33:22.:33:26.

News, more at ten o'clock, back to you, Joanna. Let's catch up with the

:33:27.:33:30.

sport with Olly Foster. Man United through to the Roper

:33:31.:33:33.

league quarterfinals, they beat Rostov 1-0 with a Juan Mata goal. --

:33:34.:33:48.

the Europa League. Winning a trophy carries Champions League

:33:49.:33:51.

qualifications. The draw takes place later this morning, and Leicester

:33:52.:33:54.

are the only British club left in that competition. They could face

:33:55.:33:59.

Barcelona, real Madrid or Bayern Munich, or a few other European

:34:00.:34:02.

superpowers. Nichols Canyon, written by Ruby Walsh, won the big race

:34:03.:34:08.

yesterday, one of six Irish winners at the Cheltenham Festival. He

:34:09.:34:16.

writes the favourite, Djakadam, in the Gold Cup this afternoon. And

:34:17.:34:20.

Warrington's wall. To the Super League season continues, they lost

:34:21.:34:27.

22-8 at newly promoted Leigh centurions last night. -- woeful

:34:28.:34:30.

start. Hungary is to detain migrants

:34:31.:34:31.

in metal shipping containers along its southern border,

:34:32.:34:33.

where they will be kept while they wait for their asylum

:34:34.:34:35.

cases to be heard. The measure applies to men,

:34:36.:34:39.

women and children over 14. The country's prime minister

:34:40.:34:42.

Viktor Orban is known for his He's described it as

:34:43.:34:45.

a "Trojan horse for terrorism" and says the measures

:34:46.:34:54.

are intended to "save Europe". Human rights group Amnesty

:34:55.:34:56.

International has condemned the move as a "flagrant violation

:34:57.:34:59.

of international law". The Hungarian Parliament approved

:35:00.:35:00.

the law to detain migrants as part of measures to tighten controls

:35:01.:35:03.

on the Serbian border which has been a focus of the European

:35:04.:35:06.

migration crisis since 2015. We are not criminals, we are not

:35:07.:35:48.

terrorists, we are refugees. A little over a month ago, this

:35:49.:36:34.

programme reported from Asotthalom, a village on the Hungarian-Serbian

:36:35.:36:38.

border Asotthalom, a village

:36:39.:36:40.

on the southern Hungarian plains, just minutes from the Serbian border

:36:41.:36:47.

were in 2015, 10,000 migrants a day

:36:48.:36:50.

crossed into Hungary. The village population is declining

:36:51.:36:56.

and homesteads stand vacant. The mayor here wants

:36:57.:37:02.

to attract foreign investors, TRANSLATION: We primarily welcome

:37:03.:37:07.

people from Western Europe, people who would not like to live

:37:08.:37:15.

in a multicultural society. We wouldn't like to attract

:37:16.:37:19.

Muslim people in the village. What if I was black,

:37:20.:37:22.

or what if I was gay? Asotthalom has a bye-law that bans

:37:23.:37:24.

homosexual propaganda. As for your other question,

:37:25.:37:34.

think about this. Europe is small, it can't take

:37:35.:37:40.

in billions of people from Africa and South Asia,

:37:41.:37:42.

but there is a population boom. This would soon lead

:37:43.:37:47.

to the disappearance of Europe. I would like Europe to belong

:37:48.:37:50.

to Europeans, and Africa to Africans,

:37:51.:37:52.

simple as that. He is so serious he has introduced

:37:53.:37:58.

local legislation banning public displays of affection by gay people,

:37:59.:38:02.

the wearing of Islamic dress, and he wants to ban

:38:03.:38:07.

the building of mosques. There are two Muslims

:38:08.:38:13.

in Asotthalom, and one of them agreed to speak to us,

:38:14.:38:16.

but at the last minute pulled out. They didn't want to attract

:38:17.:38:19.

attention to themselves. They have spoken of their fears

:38:20.:38:21.

to Hungarian media in the past but other villagers reject the laws

:38:22.:38:24.

are a huge concern. However, they are the talk

:38:25.:38:27.

of the village pub. TRANSLATION: Important issues

:38:28.:38:32.

like this should be legislated by the national government,

:38:33.:38:36.

not local legislation. If they take off their veil,

:38:37.:38:39.

I'll accept them. It doesn't even matter

:38:40.:38:42.

if they are black, they should become

:38:43.:38:44.

Hungarian citizens even if they are Muslims

:38:45.:38:47.

or whatever. Are you trying to create

:38:48.:38:49.

a white kind of supremacist village? but because we are white, European,

:38:50.:38:59.

Christian population Our correspondent Nick Thorpe

:39:00.:39:06.

is on the Hungary border. Nick, tell us what is happening

:39:07.:39:29.

there right now. Well, yes, Joanna, here I am right next to the

:39:30.:39:33.

container camp, you might be able to hear in the background earth moving

:39:34.:39:36.

machines, digging machines that have already flattened the area here.

:39:37.:39:44.

Basically, they are putting into place shipping containers which will

:39:45.:39:50.

house up to, at displays, up to 250 asylum seekers from the beginning of

:39:51.:39:55.

April. There is one of the camp like this, but they are preparing it

:39:56.:40:01.

down. Each individual carbon is like a shipping container, and this is

:40:02.:40:04.

where all asylum seekers in future will be detained. -- cabin. Tell us

:40:05.:40:14.

more about the controversy around these policies, there has been a

:40:15.:40:18.

ruling from the European Court of Human Rights. That is right, the

:40:19.:40:21.

Hungarian government's position is rather hard line, it sees pretty

:40:22.:40:27.

much all the migrants crossing the border, legally or illegally, as

:40:28.:40:30.

economic migrants. It doesn't see this as a humanitarian issue, it

:40:31.:40:35.

sees it as a securities you, and it sees Hungary on the front line, and

:40:36.:40:40.

it says it is defending Hungary and the European Union, as a Schengen

:40:41.:40:44.

member country. The European Court of Human Rights, this is an

:40:45.:40:48.

interesting precedent setting case, just a couple of days ago ruled

:40:49.:40:52.

against Hungary over the detention in exactly this place where I am

:40:53.:40:57.

standing now of two Pakistani citizens in September 2000 and 15.

:40:58.:41:02.

Hungary had argued that Serbia, just the other side of the border, is a

:41:03.:41:06.

safe country and it was allowed to send them back. Hungary argued that

:41:07.:41:09.

it could detain them for 23 days and similar containers to the ones being

:41:10.:41:14.

arranged here now. But the UN Court of Human Rights ruled that Hungary

:41:15.:41:20.

had violated international rules, asylum procedures and so one, by

:41:21.:41:25.

doing that, so it was found in breach of international and EU

:41:26.:41:29.

rules. So is there any sanction against Hungary, or can it continue

:41:30.:41:32.

to ignore that and potentially any other rulings? There have been a

:41:33.:41:39.

chorus of international criticism from the United Nations refugee

:41:40.:41:44.

agency, also from human rights organisations. The UNHCR cannot

:41:45.:41:49.

sanction Hungary, the European Commission could, and there were

:41:50.:41:52.

hearings in the European Parliament recently, and people are waiting to

:41:53.:41:56.

see, the government is waiting to see, because by tightening the rules

:41:57.:42:01.

and introducing this effectively automatic detention, Hungary is

:42:02.:42:04.

going head to head with Brussels, people wondering whether the

:42:05.:42:07.

European Commission will challenge this, or indeed anyone else will

:42:08.:42:14.

challenge this legally. Thank you, Nick.

:42:15.:42:16.

With us is Erno Simon, a spokesman for UNHCR

:42:17.:42:19.

in Hungary spokesman, Stephane Moissaing, head

:42:20.:42:24.

of Medecins Sans Frontieres' mission in Serbia,

:42:25.:42:26.

and the Hungarian government spokesman Zoltan Kovacs.

:42:27.:42:28.

We'll hear from the Hungarian government spokesman

:42:29.:42:32.

in a minute, but first tell us about the containers

:42:33.:42:34.

Well, we think the detention of asylum seekers in these conditions

:42:35.:42:46.

is absolutely against international and EU law. The only criteria why

:42:47.:42:50.

these people would be detained is that they first seek asylum in

:42:51.:42:54.

Hungary, and they have not committed any crime, and all of them will be

:42:55.:43:00.

detained behind four metre high razor wire fence, this is

:43:01.:43:05.

unacceptable. Hungary says that it is dealing with a situation where it

:43:06.:43:09.

is trying to manage large numbers of people who have been trying to get

:43:10.:43:13.

into the country - is this a proportionate response? Well, as I

:43:14.:43:19.

have mentioned, under the international law, seeking asylum is

:43:20.:43:23.

absolutely a basic human rights, and no-one should be sanctioned for it,

:43:24.:43:27.

no-one should suffer any repercussions for it, any people can

:43:28.:43:34.

ask for asylum, and they have the right to enter the country and to

:43:35.:43:41.

have access to a fair legal asylum seeker. Hungary now prepares to

:43:42.:43:48.

detain every single asylum seeker, including children, who come with

:43:49.:43:51.

families or who come alone to Hungary. So I think this is

:43:52.:43:59.

absolutely not a proportionate response to this. Stephan, Medecins

:44:00.:44:10.

Sans Frontieres say they have been treating migrants who have been

:44:11.:44:13.

treated brutally by the Hungarian authorities, I know MSF has not

:44:14.:44:16.

directly witnessed any incidents, but tell us the allegations that you

:44:17.:44:24.

have heard. Yes, we have some case of violence which which come to our

:44:25.:44:37.

clinic ill Belgrade. Weather conditions are now more suitable for

:44:38.:44:44.

migrants to travel. We have recorded some violence already, and actually

:44:45.:44:51.

in February we had 39 cases at our clinic, Annie Last two weeks of

:44:52.:44:57.

March, we had 37 cases. -- and the last. So yes, the trend of violence

:44:58.:45:05.

seems to be increasing. After the violence, the brutal act on

:45:06.:45:11.

migrants, what we hear in testimonies, much more people give

:45:12.:45:16.

their testimonies, so we see only the tip of the iceberg. The

:45:17.:45:22.

testimonies we receive are telling that a long session of humiliation

:45:23.:45:29.

are happening to migrants, so dog bites, hitting with rubber sticks,

:45:30.:45:40.

tear gas. And the migrants are kept between 30 minutes and four hours

:45:41.:45:43.

sometimes, and they are humiliated, so we have seen some other cases,

:45:44.:45:52.

even people as young as 13 years old being brutalised as well.

:45:53.:45:59.

It is inhumane treatment. Allegations are not really

:46:00.:46:09.

investigated and we would like to have a body to investigate those

:46:10.:46:17.

allegations. You are joining us as the government spokesman. A lot of

:46:18.:46:21.

allegations being made against Hungary, inhumane treatment it has

:46:22.:46:28.

been called. What is your response? They are allegations. We have not

:46:29.:46:32.

seen any evidence supporting these allegations. Therefore we have to

:46:33.:46:38.

presume that most of them are lies. Very well known at long stores

:46:39.:46:44.

migrants reaching the borders of Europe. For the past two or three

:46:45.:46:49.

years we have seen many stories and interpretations so you have to be

:46:50.:46:52.

careful when you meet these allegations. We have a gross

:46:53.:47:02.

misinterpretation of international law and asylum seekers. There is no

:47:03.:47:05.

such human rights that would allow anyone around the globe to freely

:47:06.:47:10.

choose his destination, cross countries illegally and eventually

:47:11.:47:14.

come to the borders of the European Union and one of the European member

:47:15.:47:20.

states to apply for asylum. Hungary has been ruled against by the

:47:21.:47:23.

European Court of Human Rights on the issue. Yes, but you have to be

:47:24.:47:28.

precise on the two cases. This is a ridiculous case because two

:47:29.:47:34.

Pakistanis or Bangladeshis to the rest of my knowledge were awarded

:47:35.:47:38.

some financial ramifications because we sent them back to Serbia, through

:47:39.:47:44.

Serbia, to Greece. Allegedly because they are going to be ill treated.

:47:45.:47:48.

Keep in mind that Greece is a member of the European Union. It is a

:47:49.:47:56.

ridiculous idea to presume that one European member state is not the

:47:57.:48:00.

same country. Keep in mind these migrants coming through a number of

:48:01.:48:05.

states including Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, all of them are

:48:06.:48:10.

safe countries, the European Union regard the turkey as a safe country.

:48:11.:48:16.

The large proportion of migrants trying to come through to Hungary

:48:17.:48:20.

are coming from Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria. Do you see them as part of

:48:21.:48:28.

the humanitarian crisis? It is becoming a humanitarian crisis

:48:29.:48:31.

because we do not deal with that according to what is happening. In

:48:32.:48:35.

terms of their experience and where they have come from. Indeed but this

:48:36.:48:41.

is not a refugee crisis, this is a migration crisis. We have registered

:48:42.:48:46.

migrants coming from over 104 countries for the past couple of

:48:47.:48:51.

years. Last year, 1.2 million people entered the European Union and we

:48:52.:48:56.

see that the majority of them are not going to be entitled for any

:48:57.:48:59.

kind of legal status therefore they should be returned back to where

:49:00.:49:04.

they were coming from. That is increasingly problematic to put into

:49:05.:49:09.

effect. Look at Germany and the Scandinavian countries struggling

:49:10.:49:12.

with hundreds of thousands of people who should be sent back and it is

:49:13.:49:17.

impossible because they have failed to fulfil their obligations under

:49:18.:49:21.

the existing European framework to ensure that those who step on legal

:49:22.:49:28.

soil have area goal -- legal rights. -- who step on European soil have a

:49:29.:49:35.

legal right. Germany, Scandinavian countries in the rest of Europe,

:49:36.:49:40.

what you are trying to do is to restore law and order at the

:49:41.:49:43.

European borders. We have an obligation. Hungary has an

:49:44.:49:50.

obligation under the existing rules. What about the point that migrants

:49:51.:49:55.

once they get that point have passed through other safe countries as well

:49:56.:50:06.

where they could stay? Serbia and Macedonia might be safe countries

:50:07.:50:11.

for the civilians, safe countries of origin, but the asylum institutions,

:50:12.:50:15.

the asylum system does not function properly in those countries, so we

:50:16.:50:20.

do not recommend to countries to send asylum seekers back to Serbia

:50:21.:50:26.

or Macedonia. Would you like to respond to that? Come back to common

:50:27.:50:35.

sense. That is ridiculous. There's the European Union considers Turkey

:50:36.:50:37.

a safe country a member state likely to be considered a safe country.

:50:38.:50:42.

Macedonia and Serbia are safe countries as well. We have to cut

:50:43.:50:49.

this vicious circle of illegal migrants using the services of human

:50:50.:50:52.

traffickers crossing a number of countries illegally just because

:50:53.:50:58.

they believe, and does not really matter if they are proper refugees

:50:59.:51:02.

are economic migrants, that they have a right to come to European

:51:03.:51:06.

Union without approval. We have to turn back to common sense and

:51:07.:51:10.

legality at the borders the European Union. Thank you.

:51:11.:51:25.

Coming up: Britain's top secret surveillance agency GCHQ has

:51:26.:51:27.

described as "ridiculous" claims it was asked by President Obama

:51:28.:51:29.

to spy on Donald Trump during last year's US election campaign.

:51:30.:51:32.

?12 million has already been raised since

:51:33.:51:41.

the Disasters Emergency Committee launched its urgent

:51:42.:51:43.

appeal for the crisis in East Africa on Wednesday.

:51:44.:51:46.

The DEC is made up of 13 UK aid agencies who have joined forces

:51:47.:51:50.

for the appeal to help those facing famine in the region.

:51:51.:51:53.

The committee says at least 16 million people in Somalia, Kenya,

:51:54.:51:57.

Ethiopia and South Sudan are in desperate need of food,

:51:58.:51:59.

We can now speak to Saleh Saeed, the Chief Executive of

:52:00.:52:08.

the Disasters Emergency Committee, Tearfund's Country Director

:52:09.:52:12.

for South Sudan is in Juba, where they have feeding centres

:52:13.:52:15.

for internally displaced people who've been flocking to the capital

:52:16.:52:17.

And Simon Nyabwengi, who is the World Vision's National

:52:18.:52:25.

Director for Somalia, where the country is at risk

:52:26.:52:27.

You have had a good response to the campaign already. What will the

:52:28.:52:41.

money be used for? The money raised so far will go to supply very

:52:42.:52:46.

desperate people in East Africa with food, water and medical supplies,

:52:47.:52:50.

for example starving children on the brink of death will be supplied with

:52:51.:52:58.

a miracle cure that gives them the nutrients they are desperately

:52:59.:53:02.

needing to survive. The funding is coming through at a very desperate

:53:03.:53:06.

time. Why does it have to get to this point for minds to be focused?

:53:07.:53:13.

Yes. We have been alerting the world and the UK public about the

:53:14.:53:16.

devastating situation going on in East Africa for a while but we are

:53:17.:53:20.

delighted that the world has woken up and taken stock of what is going

:53:21.:53:27.

on. We still have time to avert catastrophe, 16 million people who

:53:28.:53:31.

are literally needing humanitarian assistance who could face starvation

:53:32.:53:35.

of we do not respond. We are very proud of the UK Government and the

:53:36.:53:39.

UK public for responding urgently to this crisis and the global community

:53:40.:53:45.

we are calling on to respond. You are in south Sudan. Tell us about

:53:46.:53:50.

the picture for you and the needs you're seeing. Thank you. The

:53:51.:53:57.

picture here and the future here at the moment of the country is dire.

:53:58.:54:02.

We have a country with half a million people and about 7.5 million

:54:03.:54:07.

people need humanitarian assistance. 4.9 million people have not enough

:54:08.:54:11.

food and that is not just having a diverse end, it is having 30, 40,

:54:12.:54:21.

50% of the daily diet. Because these are the drought in the eastern parts

:54:22.:54:26.

of the country and the conflict in different places, famine was

:54:27.:54:29.

declared in the north of the country in some counties and some counties

:54:30.:54:34.

in other parts of the country are in danger of falling to famine. We also

:54:35.:54:39.

have extreme hunger Radford problem in some areas where we have not had

:54:40.:54:42.

this in the past like in the south of the country. There are lots of

:54:43.:54:50.

different issues that country, the conflicts you mentioned, the food,

:54:51.:54:58.

shortages causing devastation, in terms of the conflict what impact is

:54:59.:55:03.

that having? It has the impact that people cannot access food

:55:04.:55:11.

distribution, medical services, borders. This is very common, or

:55:12.:55:16.

they have to flee to other places where normally you would perhaps

:55:17.:55:20.

have more food available normally and put more pressure on these

:55:21.:55:25.

markets. It is like a spiral which is not reading to anything good. The

:55:26.:55:33.

problem is very serious. You are in Somalia. What is the situation? The

:55:34.:55:42.

situation is quite desperate. I have been in the field for the last five

:55:43.:55:47.

days and what I have seen is quite heartbreaking. I will give an

:55:48.:55:52.

example of a mother we met who had five children and she started on a

:55:53.:56:00.

40 kilometres trek and two of her children had acute diarrhoea and

:56:01.:56:03.

they succumb to that disease and she had to bury them in the community

:56:04.:56:11.

she was passing through. Then she continued with her older son to

:56:12.:56:16.

somewhere where she was able to get some assistance. We have seen people

:56:17.:56:23.

coming into areas where there is no conflict, we are seeing them seeking

:56:24.:56:28.

help, seeing a very acute outbreak of diarrhoea, a cholera condition

:56:29.:56:34.

that is becoming what we are calling a which's blue, people who are

:56:35.:56:42.

weakened by hunger and then you have acute diarrhoea which is the result

:56:43.:56:50.

of consuming very dirty water. We are seeing a quite desperate

:56:51.:56:52.

situation in all of the areas we are working in. As with south Sudan, the

:56:53.:56:59.

issues in Somalia are not straightforward. It is not just

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environmental issues, there is the conflict as well. How complicated as

:57:03.:57:09.

the picture? It becomes a lot more complicated especially in the south.

:57:10.:57:15.

What has happened over time is that forces have managed to liberate some

:57:16.:57:20.

towns but rural areas are still controlled by Al-Shabab and you are

:57:21.:57:28.

having people starving affected by drought who are having to make their

:57:29.:57:33.

way into safer areas, in order to be able to get assistance. Our biggest

:57:34.:57:42.

fear is that while we might be able to save those who find their way

:57:43.:57:51.

into these areas, two days ago the world 13,000 people who made the

:57:52.:57:57.

trek in order to get help, our biggest fear is that in those areas

:57:58.:58:02.

that we do not have access to that there might be a lot more dead and

:58:03.:58:06.

in more desperate need and we are not able to reach them. Thank you.

:58:07.:58:18.

It is the Echo docks in the UK which is the day when days and nights are

:58:19.:58:25.

equal in length. Not to be confused with the equinox which is on Monday

:58:26.:58:29.

when the sun passes across the equator. Today has started bright

:58:30.:58:34.

for many of you, lovely sunrise across southern parts of the UK. It

:58:35.:58:40.

will be a fine day in Cornwall. Further north the sky is a different

:58:41.:58:44.

cooler and it is probably a day to stay this side of the window.

:58:45.:58:49.

Outbreaks of rain across Scotland and parts of Northern Ireland and

:58:50.:58:53.

north-west England. Snow on the hills in the Highlands. Very misty.

:58:54.:58:57.

Biased throughout the south but the cloud will increase. -- driest.

:58:58.:59:07.

Heading further south temperatures are what they should be for the time

:59:08.:59:12.

of year. It is going to be damp in Northern Ireland. The rain will ease

:59:13.:59:15.

off in central and southern Scotland this afternoon but north-west

:59:16.:59:20.

Midlands and western parts of Wales get wetter and wetter. Winds around

:59:21.:59:25.

the coast get easier. Gusty by the end of the day. Away from the hills

:59:26.:59:30.

western parts of Wales and much of England and Wales will have a dry

:59:31.:59:33.

day with the best of the sunshine towards the south and east. We have

:59:34.:59:40.

had some sunshine at Cheltenham but it will turn cloudier. Cannot rule

:59:41.:59:45.

out rain and wind but most of the time it will be dry. Tonight the

:59:46.:59:49.

chance of rain just about anywhere overnight. Heaviest and most

:59:50.:59:53.

persistent in the west. That year and lighter further east. The

:59:54.:59:58.

clearest conditions will be in northern Scotland. A touch of frost

:59:59.:00:03.

and ice. For the rest of you, a mild start to the weekend. A lot of load

:00:04.:00:09.

throughout the weekend. The occasional bit of rain elsewhere in

:00:10.:00:14.

the south. Writing and up into the afternoon. Turning wetter for

:00:15.:00:18.

Northern Ireland, and north-west England. Some areas will stay dry

:00:19.:00:23.

throughout the day. Maybe into the south-east of England we could get

:00:24.:00:31.

15 degrees. Maybe higher. Wet and windy weather across northern areas

:00:32.:00:36.

into Sunday. It comes into another weather system which will work its

:00:37.:00:39.

way in on Sunday. The wettest will be in the west. Particularly on

:00:40.:00:44.

Sunday in Northern Ireland and western parts of Scotland. Eastern

:00:45.:00:50.

areas drier and brighter. Fairly mild with temperatures into the

:00:51.:00:54.

teens but the mild air will not last, next week we may see sunshine

:00:55.:01:00.

return but called air heading back. Hello, it is Friday, ten o'clock, I

:01:01.:01:09.

am Joanna Gosling. Nonsense and utterly ridiculous -

:01:10.:01:12.

Britain's intelligence agency GCHQ says allegations it spied

:01:13.:01:14.

on Donald Trump should be ignored. Not enough families

:01:15.:01:17.

with disabled children are getting the help they need

:01:18.:01:22.

to care for them. That is according to a group of

:01:23.:01:30.

charities. We have been hearing from a mum about the struggles she has

:01:31.:01:33.

faced. I was having to fight to justify why I needed the help that I

:01:34.:01:38.

needed, and for a parent to have to put their hands up and say, I'm

:01:39.:01:42.

really struggling to look after my daughter, it is a very hard thing to

:01:43.:01:46.

have to admit, for a mother to say that, and I don't think any family

:01:47.:01:49.

should be forced to have to say that. To just marry the boss and

:01:50.:01:56.

live off him, how is that for career advice? We will reveal some of the

:01:57.:01:59.

shopping career advice university students have been given. Have you

:02:00.:02:11.

been given any particular the shopping career advice? Do get in

:02:12.:02:15.

touch. Let's catch up with the news with Annita. Thank you, good

:02:16.:02:18.

morning. Britain's surveillance agency, GCHQ,

:02:19.:02:20.

has described claims that it was asked by President Obama

:02:21.:02:22.

to spy on Donald Trump The unusual move to issue

:02:23.:02:25.

a statement came after White House press secretary Sean Spicer quoted

:02:26.:02:29.

claims first made on US TV channel He did not use the NSA,

:02:30.:02:31.

he did not use the CIA, and he did not use

:02:32.:02:38.

the Department of Justice. It is the initials for the British

:02:39.:02:42.

intelligence spying agency. So simply by having two people

:02:43.:02:46.

saying to them the president needs transcripts of conversations

:02:47.:02:48.

involving candidate Trump, conversations involving

:02:49.:02:50.

President-elect Trump, so he is able to get it

:02:51.:02:53.

and there are no American The SNP will today accuse

:02:54.:02:56.

the Government of being too scared to allow a second independence

:02:57.:03:00.

referendum. Deputy leader Angus Robertson

:03:01.:03:03.

will open his party's spring conference by saying

:03:04.:03:06.

the Conservatives have a "desperate desire" to prevent

:03:07.:03:09.

anyone rejecting Brexit. But Theresa May will tell her own

:03:10.:03:12.

party conference in Cardiff that she'll fight to keep what she calls

:03:13.:03:15.

the "precious union". Hungary is pressing ahead

:03:16.:03:18.

with the construction of two container camps for asylum-seekers

:03:19.:03:22.

on its border with Serbia, despite By the end of March,

:03:23.:03:24.

the government plans to keep all asylum seekers in detention,

:03:25.:03:30.

including families Agencies working on behalf of

:03:31.:03:43.

migrants say the policy by late international law. -- violates.

:03:44.:03:49.

Secondary schools in England could lose the equivalent

:03:50.:03:51.

of six teachers by 2020, according to a think-tank.

:03:52.:03:53.

The Education Policy Institute says schools will see

:03:54.:03:55.

cuts on average of nearly ?300,000 in the next three years.

:03:56.:03:58.

But the Government says funding is at an all-time high

:03:59.:04:00.

The US Secretary of State has said military action

:04:01.:04:06.

against nuclear armed North Korea was an "option on the table".

:04:07.:04:10.

Rex Tillerson made the remarks during a visit to the demilitarised

:04:11.:04:12.

He said the American policy of strategic patience had ended.

:04:13.:04:18.

He was speaking in the South Korean capital, Seoul, after visiting the

:04:19.:04:23.

demilitarised zone. The UK's biggest ever fine

:04:24.:04:25.

for river pollution is expected to be imposed

:04:26.:04:27.

on Thames Water today. The company's admitted

:04:28.:04:29.

to breaching more Stretches of water in Oxfordshire

:04:30.:04:31.

and Buckinghamshire were heavily Southern Railway guards in

:04:32.:04:34.

the RMT union are to stage in the continuing row over staffing

:04:35.:04:42.

and the role of conductors. The news comes after

:04:43.:04:47.

the drivers' union, Aslef, reached a revised deal with the

:04:48.:04:50.

train firm's parent company, Aslef members,

:04:51.:04:54.

who rejected a previous deal struck with the company,

:04:55.:04:58.

are set to vote on the new Haddock caught west of Scotland

:04:59.:05:01.

and in the North Sea has been taken off a list

:05:02.:05:05.

of sustainable fish to eat. The Marine Conservation Society

:05:06.:05:07.

says stocks declined last year and action is needed to boost

:05:08.:05:10.

the number of breeding-age fish. But the decision's been criticised

:05:11.:05:16.

by Scottish fishermen. Indonesia has summoned

:05:17.:05:22.

the British ambassador after a ship operated

:05:23.:05:24.

by a British company ran aground on a coral reef,

:05:25.:05:27.

causing it extensive damage. On 4th March, the 4,290-ton

:05:28.:05:30.

Caledonian Sky hit reefs off an island in Raja Ampat,

:05:31.:05:34.

Papua province, at low tide. The region is famous

:05:35.:05:36.

for its biodiversity and the boat was taking tourists

:05:37.:05:40.

on a bird-watching expedition. The incident has caused outrage

:05:41.:05:46.

in Indonesia and local officials have suggested the captain

:05:47.:05:48.

could face criminal charges. A security sniffer dog has been

:05:49.:05:54.

shot dead at New Zealand's biggest airport after it escaped its leash

:05:55.:05:57.

and grounded flights. Authorities in Auckland

:05:58.:05:59.

said the ten-month old, named called Grizz,

:06:00.:06:03.

could not be captured after it ran away

:06:04.:06:05.

from its handler. why the dog could not have been

:06:06.:06:08.

tranquillised instead. That is a summary of the BBC News,

:06:09.:06:24.

more at 10:30. Olly Foster has the sport.

:06:25.:06:28.

Low again, it is the final day of the Cheltenham Festival, St

:06:29.:06:31.

Patrick's Day of course, and a fabulous week for the Irish horses

:06:32.:06:35.

and trainers and jockeys, every chance that they will be in the

:06:36.:06:39.

winner's enclosure for the Gold Cup later today. That is what everyone

:06:40.:06:43.

will be looking forward to, not sure if Mike Bushell has any Irish

:06:44.:06:49.

connections, but he certainly knows someone in a hat shop!

:06:50.:06:56.

I do! Good morning, yes, I have got friends in a hat shop, I am one

:06:57.:07:00.

eighth Irish, but after last night, probably half, because it was like

:07:01.:07:04.

being in a small corner of Dublin, everyone was singing, they were

:07:05.:07:10.

calling and Ruby Thursday after Ruby Walsh and four winners in seven

:07:11.:07:15.

races, in fine form, and everyone was saying, Djakadam will win the

:07:16.:07:21.

Gold Cup, Ireland will beat England in the Six Nations on Saturday. 30%

:07:22.:07:26.

of the tickets sold for today at Cheltenham on Gold Cup date was sold

:07:27.:07:30.

to people living in Ireland, so like a little Dublin. The Irish are so

:07:31.:07:34.

confident, as you say, ahead of the day and the Gold Cup, but Willie

:07:35.:07:39.

Mullins has never won the big race. So many winners but not the Gold

:07:40.:07:46.

Cup, and there is a corner of Somerset that is trying to stop him

:07:47.:07:51.

again today. Colin Tizzard may not have his best horse here,

:07:52.:07:54.

Thistlecrack, but two fancy runners are challenging Djakadam in the

:07:55.:08:02.

betting stakes, Native River and the people's horse, Cue Card. He works

:08:03.:08:08.

with his head on his chest, he gets to the top, he is a happy horse. He

:08:09.:08:13.

is not ready for anything else yet, he is a racehorse, and T-levels it.

:08:14.:08:20.

I really believe he has got a good chance as he will ever have. -- and

:08:21.:08:26.

he loves it. The Foster flutter is usually based on a horse 's name or

:08:27.:08:32.

whatever coloured silks the jockey is wearing, I know some punters go

:08:33.:08:35.

deeper when they look at the form, the all important going on the

:08:36.:08:40.

course behind you. Yes, somewhere at there the clerk of the cause is

:08:41.:08:44.

walking the course, I do not know if he's going over the fences, but he

:08:45.:08:48.

is inspecting it right now, and heart of the press he was telling me

:08:49.:08:53.

that the conditions are absolutely perfect. Because of that, excuse the

:08:54.:08:56.

pun, it is really a level playing field. He does not think it will

:08:57.:09:01.

favour any particular type of horse, but he thinks the momentum is with

:09:02.:09:06.

the Irish. Well, Ruby and Willie Mullins on fire yesterday, and I saw

:09:07.:09:13.

Djakadam a couple of weeks ago over in Ireland, he was in tremendous

:09:14.:09:17.

form. I was talking to somebody about Native River, whether the

:09:18.:09:20.

ground might be too quick for him, he won at Newbury on softer ground,

:09:21.:09:25.

and the answer was, don't be surprised, he has got a real turn of

:09:26.:09:28.

foot. I am not sure the conditions will be detrimental to any of them,

:09:29.:09:33.

actually. They would be described by the professionals as pretty well

:09:34.:09:38.

perfect. There we go, so even he has been a bit influenced by all the

:09:39.:09:42.

Irish people here today and last night. There is that feeling that it

:09:43.:09:47.

is Gold Cup day and St Patrick's Day, and with the rivalry ahead of

:09:48.:09:51.

the rugby tomorrow, just incredible, the Irish on top after Ruby

:09:52.:14:36.

This is a party four times the size it was in September 20 14th before

:14:37.:18:59.

that first independence referendum. The atmosphere is very buoyant, I

:19:00.:19:05.

think they are determined. I think they believe that with the support

:19:06.:19:11.

of the Greens next week, the other pro-independence party in Scotland,

:19:12.:19:16.

there will be a majority carrying this vote through the Scottish

:19:17.:19:19.

Parliament, and they believe that Theresa May may well say we will not

:19:20.:19:23.

even enter into discussions about section 30, but I think the

:19:24.:19:29.

arguments will turn to you go to defy the Esson -- the SNP. It is a

:19:30.:19:41.

tricky path to negotiate, high-stakes game and we will see

:19:42.:19:45.

more details set out by Nicola Sturgeon tomorrow about what she

:19:46.:19:49.

sees as the options ahead. Thank you both very much for joining us. Angus

:19:50.:19:53.

Robertson from the SNP will be speaking in around 20 minutes, we

:19:54.:19:59.

will listen to what he has to say and bring you whatever he says.

:20:00.:20:04.

Let's bring you some more comments on families looking after disabled

:20:05.:20:09.

children and the lack of help that they are receiving. Very often it is

:20:10.:20:14.

full-time carers, the parents working as full-time carers. Almost

:20:15.:20:21.

seven out of ten families never get any support to caring for their

:20:22.:20:26.

disabled children. Sophie says Olson is six, has severe autism and is

:20:27.:20:31.

mainly nonverbal. -- our son is six. We do not have close family nearby

:20:32.:20:35.

and we had to fight for a briefing, even getting nappies took more than

:20:36.:20:40.

a year to sort out. We still in reams of paperwork to get even the

:20:41.:20:44.

most straightforward things. Getting direct payment has been a huge

:20:45.:20:48.

challenge, we are in the ridiculous situation of having been awarded

:20:49.:20:51.

direct payments but were unable to access them for around six months

:20:52.:20:55.

because nobody would give us the forms we needed to make that

:20:56.:20:59.

possible. There must be a better way of helping families get the

:21:00.:21:03.

resources they need, that does not mean families already under immense

:21:04.:21:07.

pressure should be contending with more pressure, it is not right or

:21:08.:21:11.

caring. Earlier I spoke to Haley, the mother of a disabled child, she

:21:12.:21:18.

spoke about the pressure she faces. You know, we had to be specially

:21:19.:21:23.

trained to react to everything that Holly does. Basically we do the job

:21:24.:21:29.

of an intensive care team at home. Our house is set up all around

:21:30.:21:34.

Holly, we have machines to monitor her oxygen levels, her heartrate,

:21:35.:21:39.

her blood pressure, high temperature. We are constantly

:21:40.:21:44.

monitoring her to keep her well. For years you had absolutely no help,

:21:45.:21:49.

you now get some. What difference does the help that you get a make,

:21:50.:21:53.

what amount are you getting and what difference does it make? For many

:21:54.:21:58.

years we had no help and Ira light on my sister because otherwise I

:21:59.:22:01.

don't know what would have happened to us as a family -- and I relied on

:22:02.:22:07.

my sister. We felt we had reached crisis point as a family. My husband

:22:08.:22:14.

and myself were physically and mentally exhausted just through

:22:15.:22:17.

sheer caring. We then got something called direct payments which is some

:22:18.:22:24.

hours a week which enable us to employ somebody to assist us to just

:22:25.:22:28.

really give Holly a better quality of life, which is all that we really

:22:29.:22:33.

wanted. We found that all the cab that we were doing at home was very

:22:34.:22:37.

intense and we needed to do this but we were missing out on living life

:22:38.:22:41.

as a family -- all the care that we were doing at home. It had an impact

:22:42.:22:47.

on my other children, they are just as important as Holly and family

:22:48.:22:55.

life was seriously compromised, we had no family time together. You

:22:56.:22:58.

have two other kids, don't you? It took a long time to get help, is

:22:59.:23:02.

that because you did not know you are entitled, you took a long time

:23:03.:23:09.

to ask for it? When you have a child with very complex health needs it is

:23:10.:23:15.

a very fragmented system and there is not good signposting. People

:23:16.:23:22.

don't really give you the option of care, I think they expect a lot of

:23:23.:23:27.

parents to know what is out there. I felt I was juggling Holly's care but

:23:28.:23:32.

then having to fight to justify why I needed the help that I needed. For

:23:33.:23:38.

a parent to do that, to put their hands up and say I am really

:23:39.:23:41.

struggling to look after my daughter, it is very hard to admit

:23:42.:23:46.

for a mother to say that. I don't think any family should be forced to

:23:47.:23:55.

have to say that. I think initially what would have worked better is if

:23:56.:23:57.

services around us could recognise the need and early intervention

:23:58.:24:00.

would stop anything like that happening to other families. One of

:24:01.:24:07.

our guests has a 15-year-old child with special additional needs, tell

:24:08.:24:11.

us about your son George? He has a rare genetic syndrome affecting his

:24:12.:24:18.

pancreas and bone marrow and skill Oettl, those are the main

:24:19.:24:23.

characteristics of the syndrome. -- and skeletal. He also has autism of

:24:24.:24:30.

end. He needs 24-hour care, which obviously me and my husband deliver,

:24:31.:24:38.

with family support and a good network of friends. Gosh, tell us

:24:39.:24:45.

about the pressures, we have heard from Hayley, whatever pressures been

:24:46.:24:49.

for your family? You are just managing with the daily challenges

:24:50.:24:53.

that you face, because George has quite a lot of health needs as well

:24:54.:25:00.

as the autism. It is trying to balance... He has lots of regular

:25:01.:25:06.

checkups for his health and helping him cope with daily life. He has to

:25:07.:25:15.

have medication, he needs constant supervision. You get some help, but

:25:16.:25:24.

it was a long time coming? We receive direct payments, and have

:25:25.:25:27.

done for roughly three years. We are somebody to take George out.

:25:28.:25:31.

Unfortunately he is at university so can only offer help during the

:25:32.:25:35.

summer, it has been very difficult to recruit somebody else because

:25:36.:25:40.

this is our son, we don't just want anybody, we want somebody that

:25:41.:25:48.

understands George's needs. Fairly recently we have received a short

:25:49.:25:54.

break facility through Action For Children. Unfortunately we only get

:25:55.:26:00.

one night a month, which is not a lot, really. However, George has

:26:01.:26:05.

coped extremely well with it, it has brought him on, his independence, he

:26:06.:26:09.

loves going. He is there with other peers, it broadens his spectrum,

:26:10.:26:20.

really, of meeting new people. Our next battle and fight is to ask for

:26:21.:26:25.

extra nights sober George could perhaps stay for a weekend and give

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my husband and I a break from the caring -- extra nights so that

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George could perhaps stay for a weekend. You work as well, life must

:26:35.:26:40.

feel relentless? After having George, after the initial year when

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George had his diagnosis and stuff I went back to work. I went back past

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time. An opportunity for some career progression came up so I went

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full-time, unfortunately I could only sustain that for four months

:26:57.:27:02.

and realised with the pressures of all the different things, George's

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needs, I would have to retreat back to part-time. Obviously my husband

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works full-time. Yeah, its impact did our lives, really.

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Those were two mothers of disabled children talking about their

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struggles in caring with very little help.

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Let's join Annita McVeigh for news update.

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GCHQ has described claims it was asked by President Obama to spy on

:27:31.:27:38.

Donald Trump as ridiculous. This came after the White House Secretary

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quoted a claims made on a US TV channel this week. The SNP will

:27:44.:27:48.

today accuse the Government of being too scared to allowed a second

:27:49.:27:53.

independence referendum. Angus Robertson will open the party's

:27:54.:27:59.

spring conference by saying the Conservatives want to reject anyone

:28:00.:28:04.

wanting Brexit. Theresa May said she will fight to keep the union.

:28:05.:28:14.

Hungary is pressing ahead with the construction of two camps for

:28:15.:28:18.

refugees. By the end of March the government plans to keep all asylum

:28:19.:28:27.

seekers in detention. Agencies working for them say it violates

:28:28.:28:32.

international law. Secondary schools in England could lose te kwif lent

:28:33.:28:40.

of six teach -- the equivalent of six teachers by 2020, according to a

:28:41.:28:45.

thank tank. The government says funding is at an all-time high and

:28:46.:28:50.

will continue to rise. A court in Japan has ruled that the Japanese

:28:51.:28:56.

Government was negligent in failing to prepare for the tsunami that

:28:57.:29:02.

triggered Fukushima disasters. People who were forced to leave the

:29:03.:29:07.

area brought the case. The court ruled the operator of the plant and

:29:08.:29:11.

the Japanese government were negligent, because they failed to

:29:12.:29:16.

prepare for the earthquake and tsunami that triggered the kis

:29:17.:29:30.

disaster. A ship has caused damage in Indonesia. The ship hit reefs off

:29:31.:29:42.

an island at low tide. The region is famous for its biodiversity. The

:29:43.:29:47.

incident has caused outrage in Indonesia and it is suggested the

:29:48.:29:52.

captain could face criminal charges. Haddock caught west of Scotland has

:29:53.:29:57.

been taken off a list of sustainable fish. The Marine Conservation

:29:58.:30:05.

Society said stocks declined and action is needed. A security sniffer

:30:06.:30:11.

dog has been shot dead at New Zealand's largest airport after it

:30:12.:30:15.

escaped its leash and grounded flights. Authorities said the ten

:30:16.:30:22.

month old couldn't be captured after it ran from its handler. Animal

:30:23.:30:27.

rights groups have asked why the dog could not have been tranquillised

:30:28.:30:33.

instead. That is the latest news. Join me at 11 o'clock. Now the

:30:34.:30:40.

sport. Manchester United are through to the Europa League quart finals

:30:41.:30:46.

after beating Rostov 1-0 at Old Trafford last night to go through

:30:47.:30:51.

2-1 on aggregate. The draw is in the next hour and a half. United are

:30:52.:30:58.

favourites to lift the trophy. The quart for the quarters of Champions

:30:59.:31:01.

League takes place this morning. Leicester, the only British club

:31:02.:31:05.

left, could face Barcelona, Real Madrid or Bayern Munich. And Nichols

:31:06.:31:15.

canyon won the stayers' hurdle at Cheltenham yesterday. Warrington's

:31:16.:31:27.

woeful start to the Super League season continued last night. They

:31:28.:31:34.

lost 22-8 at Leigh centurions. That is all the sport for this morning.

:31:35.:31:46.

Thank you. Now back to our main news, Britain's surveillance agency

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GCHQ has described claims that it was asked by President Obama to spy

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on Donald Trump as ridiculous. It said claims are nonsense and should

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be ignored. A former MI5 officer, Ben Oliver joins us and Crispin

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Black. Crispin Black, do you think that this is just a ridiculous

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premise? I don't think it's ridiculous at all. The trouble is we

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are going up a cul-de-sac, we have been subjected to a cascade of

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anonymously-sourced so-called information about Donald Trump's

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connection to Russia. There is no evidence for that. But it has been

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covered generouslily in the press. Now the the White House has hit back

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with allegations of its own and they're being dismissed. It seems

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inconsistent to cover these stories in that way. What is your view Ben

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Owen? As GCHQ have put it, it is ridiculous, these allegations don't

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have any evidence, unless something has changed overnight. It is not

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something that British intelligence would entertain in my opinion. It is

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not lawful. British intelligence is inherently covered by processes and

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law and they stick to it. They have to stick to the law, the letter of

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the law. It is governed very well. This is not something GCHQ would do

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and as they have said, I think it is ridiculous. Crispin Black, they have

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to stick to processes and the law. Do they? Well we just don't know.

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These allegations are from anonymous source and they're unproven. But the

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White House spokesman commander Spicer says clearly that there is

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something in them. So do you either believe the GCHQ spokesman or Donald

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Trump's spokesman. It depends on your political views about what is

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happening in the United States. There doesn't seem to be any middle

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ground. Remember the NSA in the United States is covered by law, but

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look at we found about them, Chancellor Merkel's phone bugged.

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Sometimes, intelligence agencies it may well not be the case this time,

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sometimes they operate the law and the bounds of common-sense. You say

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who do you believe, nothing has come out in the United States to give any

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credibility to the claims in terms of evidence has it? No, but but

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nothing's come out to give credibility to the concerns about

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Trump's connections to Russia, there is no smoking gun, there doesn't

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appear to be any evidence, the media have been covering it with relish.

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It seems to me you have either got to believe the Russian allegations

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about Trump are baloney, in which case the GCHQ allegations are

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probably baloney, if you believe the Russian allegations, there might be

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something in them, it is logical you believe these allegations about GCHQ

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there may be some basis in fact. Ben Owens what, do you say to that? I

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have to agree that yes, your opinion is very much based on your political

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views in America now, this is a phenomenon we're experiencing in

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America, no one saw it coming and the narrative is quite exciting and

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what way do you go, are you pro or not pro-Trump. The broader issue

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dates back to the Snowdon revelations. Post-Snowdon, everyone

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now is, or most people are suspicious of intelligence agencies.

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So I think stories like this now have a bit of credence. They are a

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bit more interesting, the media are listening more than they would

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pre-Snowdon. The internet phenomenon, I can go on the internet

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and find any answer I want if I punch it in. I think people are

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missing the broader point with respect of the British intelligence

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agencies have a very good relationship with US intelligence

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agencies and the five Is, Australia, Canada and America are going to work

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together and Trump and his team are stepping on dangerous ground by

:36:53.:36:55.

these accusations. They need to back it up with some evidence. If it is

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evidence, and if it is true, I will be very shocked, but from be I'm

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standing, having worked with GCHQ and wider intelligence communities,

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I can tell you this is noting in something that would be entertained.

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Let's bring in your security correspondent, Frank Gardner. Is it

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ary -- - ridiculous claim. It is rare for Britain's intelligence

:37:33.:37:36.

agencies to come out and deny anything like this. So for them to

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take this step, they must be pretty sure of what they're saying, because

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they would look fools, they would have their credibility destroyed if

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they were to come out and deny it and then it turned out to be true.

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So you know, usually they say we neither confirm or deny and we never

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comment on matters of intelligence. This time they have. They wanted to

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nip this in the bud. The source of this is a media commentator, a

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former judge, spoking on Fox News. It is not as if it is sourced from

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is somewhere solid. It is a comment that has been picked up by the White

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House. This is a dangerous development as your commentators

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mentioned, Britain and the United States have the closest intelligence

:38:27.:38:30.

operation sharing of any two nations, the wider group of five Is,

:38:31.:38:39.

they this close co-operation. Now it is unheard of that you could be in a

:38:40.:38:44.

situation where those agencies, which report to supreme elected

:38:45.:38:49.

power, No 10 and the Foreign Office in Britain and the White House in

:38:50.:38:55.

the United States, that they are now effectively contradicting that

:38:56.:38:57.

supreme political power in Washington. This is is a very

:38:58.:39:02.

unhealthy state of affairs where you have real threats, proper threats,

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North Korea's nuclear weapons development, Iran's missiles, Russia

:39:09.:39:13.

resurgent, these are real threats. This isn't fake news, this is

:39:14.:39:16.

happening. Syria. Some real problems. You can't have this

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situation where the White House says one thing and then their allies says

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no that is rubbish. I think on balance, I probably believe GCHQ. It

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would be they would look fools if they were to issue that denial and

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it was true. What could be the fallout? Well, the ball is now back

:39:40.:39:45.

in the court of White House, because they're already on the back foot,

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because Donald Trump did that tweet and is standing by his allegation

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that President Obama ordered a wire tap on Trump Tower, of which there

:39:58.:40:00.

is no evidence, they feel they have got to find something on this and if

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you remember Sean Spicer, the press spokesman, has said he didn't get

:40:06.:40:10.

the CIA to do it or the NSA or the FBI. So he did it through GCHQ. That

:40:11.:40:18.

is such a specific allegation about Britain's listening station that

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they felt compelled to deny it. There is close co-operation between

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GCHQ and the SNA and just as Crispin Black said, some of the things have

:40:32.:40:38.

come out that are alarming, MI5 has allegedly worked with the Americans

:40:39.:40:43.

to develop software that can hack into people's phones and plot their

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movements and they're not interested in, sorry nothing personal, where

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you do your shopping, but who is planning terrorist attacks, who is

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running guns and organising sex trafficking. That is the stuff

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they're after. In terms of the allegations of hacking, is there

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going to be an inquiry, an investigation? Will we get to the

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bottom of it. Into which bit? The wire tapping. Well the Senate

:41:20.:41:23.

intelligence committee said there is no evidence, but they have given the

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White House, initially they gave them a tight deadline. They have

:41:30.:41:33.

extended that, but they have got less than a week for the White House

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to come up with this evidence. And I imagine they're probably thrashing

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around. Donald Trump has put them in, the White House, in a difficult

:41:43.:41:46.

position, he has tweeted this thing without any evidence and he needs to

:41:47.:41:50.

try and find something. Currently Sean Spicer and the sort of press

:41:51.:41:55.

around the White House are trying to sort of blur the issues and say, he

:41:56.:41:59.

didn't mean specifically that President Obama ordered it. That

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what is the tweet said. So he has got himself in a bind there. But

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let's not forget what Crispin Black said, you know, there have been

:42:09.:42:17.

buggings of Angela Merkel's phone. There is distrust between Germany

:42:18.:42:21.

and the United States. Germany has strict laws on anti-sur swral lance,

:42:22.:42:26.

that is why they have so few CCTV cameras and that is one reason why

:42:27.:42:29.

it was easy for the terrorist attacks to take place in Germany.

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Because of the Stasi background in east Germany, they're against

:42:37.:42:40.

surveillance. So we should try and keep an open mind. Now the

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indications that are that allegation about GCHQ is nonsense. Thank you.

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We are going to go to Aberdeen, where the SNP deputy leader Angus

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Robertson is making a speech at the party's spring conference.

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We cannot drift along for the next two years and hope for the best. We

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face the very real prospect of a right-wing Tory government had to

:43:08.:43:10.

Middle East 2030, and being dragged out of the EU and the single market

:43:11.:43:14.

with all the damage to the economy and society that that will cause. If

:43:15.:43:18.

the Prime Minister refuses to engage on the terms of the election before

:43:19.:43:23.

Brexit takes place, she is effectively trying to block the

:43:24.:43:26.

people of Scotland from having a choice over their future. That would

:43:27.:43:30.

be a democratic outrage. APPLAUSE

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If Scotland can be ignored on an issue as important as our membership

:43:42.:43:45.

of the EU in the single market, it is clear that our boys and interests

:43:46.:43:51.

can be ignored at any time and on any issue.

:43:52.:43:55.

When the terms of Brexit are known, and not before, we will give the

:43:56.:43:59.

people the choice over the direction Scotland should take before it is

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too late to change course. Before people make that choice we will set

:44:06.:44:10.

out the challenges and opportunities of independence, in particular how

:44:11.:44:14.

to secure our relationship with Europe, build a stronger economy, a

:44:15.:44:20.

fairer society and forge a genuine partnership of equals across these

:44:21.:44:26.

islands. This has been a week of total chaos for the UK Government,

:44:27.:44:32.

including the screeching, embarrass think you turn on Tory Budget plans

:44:33.:44:37.

to attack the self-employed. The contrast between the Scottish

:44:38.:44:40.

Government and office minister could not have been clearer. I am

:44:41.:44:45.

immensely proud of the principled leadership we have seen from our

:44:46.:44:48.

leader, Nicola Sturgeon. APPLAUSE

:44:49.:45:02.

We are so very fortunate in a time of instability and uncertainty

:45:03.:45:08.

caused by the hard Brexit fixation of the Tories to have the First

:45:09.:45:13.

Minister he was respected not just in Scotland but elsewhere in the UK

:45:14.:45:18.

and Europe for her efforts to protect us from the dangerous and

:45:19.:45:23.

damaging Tory hard Brexit. It is under her leadership that we have

:45:24.:45:27.

seen a willingness to secure a compromise agreement with the UK

:45:28.:45:31.

Government and we should not forget that it was the Prime Minister who

:45:32.:45:36.

said that she wanted a UK wide approach, an agreement with the

:45:37.:45:40.

devolved administrations of Scotland, Wales and Northern

:45:41.:45:43.

Ireland, before triggering Article 50. It is Nicola Sturgeon who

:45:44.:45:48.

responded to the promise of that agreement and made a detailed

:45:49.:45:52.

compromise proposal, one that would protect our place in the single

:45:53.:45:57.

market, have the appropriate arrangements for EU citizens

:45:58.:46:01.

contributing and living here and all of that within the United Kingdom.

:46:02.:46:07.

It isn't she and the Scottish Government ministers who have

:46:08.:46:12.

attended meeting after meeting with UK Government ministers and the

:46:13.:46:18.

Prime Minister and absolutely no concrete progress has come

:46:19.:46:21.

whatsoever from the Tory Government side -- it is she. Contrast that

:46:22.:46:28.

with the leadership offered by Theresa May who, of course,

:46:29.:46:31.

originally warned that Brexit would be a disaster, but it is she that is

:46:32.:46:38.

heading towards the most extreme form of Brexit imaginable. She is

:46:39.:46:41.

planning to take us out of the single market. She wants to keep

:46:42.:46:46.

powers over Scottish agriculture and fisheries at Westminster. She is

:46:47.:46:51.

playing games with EU citizens and she is doing anything that she can

:46:52.:46:57.

to run away from her promise to only proceed once she had an agreement

:46:58.:47:02.

with the Scottish Government. Chewing this week, I asked her three

:47:03.:47:06.

times when she would reach that agreement with the Scottish

:47:07.:47:11.

Government before triggering Article 50, and three times she failed to

:47:12.:47:15.

answer. You might have seen her on Prime Minister's Questions wagging

:47:16.:47:22.

her finger towards Scotland and lecturing us on what is good for us

:47:23.:47:27.

as if we were naughty children who should shut up and sit on the

:47:28.:47:32.

naughty step. Well, I've got news for you, Prime Minister. Your mask

:47:33.:47:38.

has slipped and the real face of Tory arrogance is all to see.

:47:39.:47:40.

APPLAUSE -- is there for all to see.

:47:41.:47:56.

What you're arrogant bluster does not conceal is that you have no

:47:57.:48:01.

intention whatsoever of reaching a deal with the Scottish Government.

:48:02.:48:06.

You intend to break your promise to Scotland and you think that you can

:48:07.:48:10.

get away with it. Well, let me be absolutely clear to Theresa May, you

:48:11.:48:17.

are not going to get away with it. APPLAUSE

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STUDIO: Angus Robertson at the SNP conference, Nicola Sturgeon

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listening and looking on and the ongoing row, of course, over the

:48:28.:48:31.

timing of the Scottish independence referendum.

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Up next, how would you feel if you were told you didn't look

:48:46.:48:48.

Or worse still, that your chances of succeeding are slim

:48:49.:48:52.

because you're a woman or have the wrong colour skin?

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It might sound like something you would hear decades ago -

:48:55.:48:57.

but those of are the kinds of things some university students are still

:48:58.:49:00.

A survey of more than two thousand students across the UK has found

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sexist and often discriminatory advice is being given by some

:49:05.:49:07.

employers, fellow professionals and even family and friends to those

:49:08.:49:09.

just starting out on the career ladder.

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So, just how damaging is this sort of advice and what affect

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In the studio this morning are James Uffindell

:49:15.:49:17.

from the Bright Network - a network connecting

:49:18.:49:19.

graduates and employers - they also carried out the survey.

:49:20.:49:21.

Postgraduate student Reesha Siniara is also here -

:49:22.:49:23.

she ended up studying English Literature at

:49:24.:49:25.

university and not economics, which is what she really wanted

:49:26.:49:27.

to do, because of careers advice she was given.

:49:28.:49:29.

Also here is third year undergraduate economics student

:49:30.:49:31.

Kiran Kapoor who says negative comments about women not

:49:32.:49:33.

being to achieve have made her more determined to succeed.

:49:34.:49:36.

And lastly, Readha Park, who is 20-year-old maths student

:49:37.:49:38.

from Bristol is here too - she says she's fighting to make it

:49:39.:49:41.

in the male dominated world of finance and receives

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Thank you all very much for joining us. James, firstly, one of the real

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crackers with somebody being told, married the boss? Absolutely, we

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have released our latest research which is with me, it is frankly at

:50:01.:50:04.

the state of careers advice. Lots of work is being done but we need to do

:50:05.:50:08.

a lot more, we have half a million graduates coming out of UK

:50:09.:50:12.

universities this year but 50% of graduate employers do not fill

:50:13.:50:17.

vacancies, we currently work with around 250 top employers like PWC,

:50:18.:50:22.

they want to find the best talent that they are struggling because it

:50:23.:50:26.

does not know about what it can do. Every year in the UK we have around

:50:27.:50:31.

78% graduate and payment rate, in Germany it is only 2%. We are

:50:32.:50:38.

wasting valuable resources. Reesha, I said you wanted to study... You

:50:39.:50:43.

have entered a studying English literature rather than what you

:50:44.:50:48.

wanted to study, why? -- ended up studying English literature? Down to

:50:49.:50:54.

advice given at college. Before I considered going to university I was

:50:55.:50:58.

told that a woman like me would never make it in the Finance and

:50:59.:51:02.

banking industry. What did you take that to mean? This posting did not

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really know much about me, all they knew was my age, ethnicity and

:51:09.:51:13.

gender. I assumed what they meant was that something to do with that

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was the reason I would not make it in that industry. The fact it had an

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effect? They said that teaching would be the easier route for you,

:51:24.:51:27.

that is why I did not think at the time that I would be able to do

:51:28.:51:31.

economic Scunners so I chose English literature. I still love to my

:51:32.:51:36.

degree anyway but I think that advice that such an influential age

:51:37.:51:41.

steered me from the path I wanted to go down. Kiran, you have had

:51:42.:51:45.

negative comments, what have you heard? Talking to people in a casual

:51:46.:51:51.

conversation and you drop that you are doing an internship in banking

:51:52.:51:56.

or going to spring we Goore banking networking event and somebody would

:51:57.:51:58.

make a comment in passing saying I did not think you were the type of

:51:59.:52:02.

the banking, you would think, I didn't know there was a tight and

:52:03.:52:07.

that I do not fit, in your eyes. Are these more generic comments or

:52:08.:52:13.

coming careers advisers? Not just careers advisers but generally

:52:14.:52:17.

people you think of as friends or people you meet at various events,

:52:18.:52:21.

people at university, very generally. Sometimes they don't seem

:52:22.:52:26.

to come across directed but happen in passing, intended with humour

:52:27.:52:31.

attached. Readha, at one stage you were told to be prepared to hit a

:52:32.:52:36.

ceiling in your career, who told you that? Family friends, when my mum

:52:37.:52:41.

tells them what degree I am doing at university, they are quite taken

:52:42.:52:50.

apart and say, why is she studying so hard when she will just end up

:52:51.:52:53.

starting a family and all of that will go to waste? They say I need to

:52:54.:52:56.

be prepared to make a decision whether I want my career or to start

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a family. What about careers advice? Have you had helpful formal advice?

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That is individual 's' perspectives, not involved in advising your

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career? My careers adviser at my school has been really supportive,

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they have always pushed girls to go into sciences, STEM subjects, making

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sure they make their way in a male dominated sector. But I had a lady

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who once told me I should be prepared to hit a glass ceiling

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because she had to make a choice as well when she got to the age, I will

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need to do the same. That was a careers adviser? How did that make

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you feel? I was quite taken aback because I had never really felt any

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different because of my gender, my mum has raised me and my brother is

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really equally, I have always been really sporty, part of the Air

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Cadets, then suddenly having a woman telling me I will need to make a

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decision and can't have it both is quite shocking, really. James, I

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know with your research you sought the views of men and women, did many

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men have examples of terrible careers advice or doesn't seem to be

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female focused? The more shocking elements came from the women, there

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was a bit with the men but for example one of members was told,

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basically, you don't need a career, you are a pretty girl, married the

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boss and the live of him. It is absolutely shocking, if you think.

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You don't have too think hard to find that shocking! Another woman

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was told that as a black female she would never become a successful

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lawyer. We have been amazed. Who is actually monitoring the sort of

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advice, the comments being given? In terms of governmental organisation?

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There is a lot of good work being done in the sector but,

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fundamentally, lots more needs to be done around this. This is why a set

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of The Brighton Network, essentially you are sent to university after

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school and it is what next, lots of career services are doing very good

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work, but the network giving individual advice is key, that is

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what we are trying to do at the Bright Network. Female

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undergraduates expect a starting salary of around 30 K, men expect

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around 40 K, there is a ten K difference. Why that assumption?

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Ultimately nobody knows. My sense is that it is qualitative around this

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kind of advice that we are seeing around we need to get female

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students believing, as the men often do, that they can strive for the

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really big careers. Have any of you had examples of being told what you

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might expect to be paid compared to men? No. I have been told I will

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have to work harder to reach the same salary as male peers. Who told

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you that? A teacher at school said I would have to work harder and really

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make sure that I did my job well to get the same level of play. Either

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of you? I have had some advice and comments made, not be early age but

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later, especially, when you think about having a family and want to

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balance your work and home life, looking after children, you will

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have to work a lot harder at that stage to try to progress in the same

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way that men do, men don't need to take these things into consideration

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but it is something you would have to take into.

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Similarly, I have been told that bosses tend not to invest in women

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because they assume that they will go off and have a family, so they

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would rather progress and give promotions or a pay rise to men. So

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I should not be expecting the same thing. I said the things that you

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were told early on impact it on your choices, Reesha, where are you now?

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When I was told it at that early age, 15 or 16, I took it very

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seriously. But now I have understood what they meant and how I should not

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really pay attention, I should succeed and do what I want, so I am

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doing a Masters in management and have secured a graduate job for

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September, so I think I have pushed it aside and I have realised that I

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just need to work hard at what I do and be the best that I can be.

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Thank you all very much for coming. BBC Newsroom Live is coming up in a

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few moments, thank you very much for your company. Let me see if we have

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more comments, we have had so many comments from you on parents caring

:57:57.:58:02.

for disabled children. Sarah says I am a parent to five-year-old with

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complex health needs and learning difficulties, there are daily

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attacks of paralysis, we are ritual working households and had to be,

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there was no support for working families and services are often

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confused. Thank you for all your comments on

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that story and for your company. Have a lovely weekend, see you very

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soon. Goodbye. It's great that you could

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come in for this, Lenny. So in terms of things for you

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on the night itself... Right. Siobhan's been doing a... So this

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year the idea is...funny.

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