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Hello it's Friday, it's 9am, I'm Joanna Gosling,

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A woman is under police guard in hospital, after being shot

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during an anti-terror operation on a residential street

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Metropolitan Police deputy assistant commissioner Neil Basu

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says six people have now been arrested.

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I wanted to reassure the public that this

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of terrorist activities are being matched

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by our action, the police and security services

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across the country and we are making arrests on a nearly daily basis.

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This is the scene live at New Scotland Yard where the Met police

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say they are hopeful they have contained the threat.

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The billion pound cancer drugs fund that was set up to give patients

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expensive treatments not available on the NHS could even have caused

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We will talk to a leading expert who looked into the fund and a mum

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Royal Marine Alexander Blackman, who was jailed

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Taliban fighter, has been released from prison.

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He received a life term in 2013 for murder,

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but his conviction was reduced to manslaughter.

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His wife spoke to this programme in March when she heard the news

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I spoke to him shortly afterwards and I think it took a little longer

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I think he had worked very hard to prepare himself

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for not such good news, so once it had finally dawned on us

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that we were going to be together soon, we were very happy.

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We'll bring you all the details in the next half hour.

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Hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11am this morning.

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So much to talk about today, please get in touch,

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So much to talk about today, please get in touch.

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Porna Bell was married to Rob, a science journalist for three years

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before she discovered he was a secret heroin user.

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We have been speaking to her in her first television interview. The idea

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that the person I love most in the world, that I trusted most in the

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world would be using something like that not even periodically, but

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would be an addict was something absolutely unfathomable. I would

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never have made that connection if he hadn't have told me. You can hear

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that interview later on. Do get in touch

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on all the stories we're talking about this morning,

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The UK's counter-terrorism unit say they're making arrests

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The unit's policing coordinator made the comments in the last half hour -

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saying six people have now been detained in connection

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with an anti-terror operation in Willesden, north west London,

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during which a woman was shot and injured by police.

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It happened hours after a man was arrested for allegedly

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attempting a terror attack near the Houses of Parliament.

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Officers say the two incidents aren't connected.

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A residential street in Willesden, in north-west London.

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Several gunshots heard, yesterday evening.

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As armed police raided a terraced house.

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A woman in her 20s was shot by police.

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As darkness fell, a police presence remained.

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The woman who was shot was taken to hospital.

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She was in a serious but stable condition and is under police guard.

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A 16-year-old man and a woman aged 20 were arrested at the property.

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A 20-year-old man was arrested close by and a 43-year-old woman

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All four on suspicion of the commission, preparation

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They are in custody in a police station inside London.

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Police say this was an ongoing counterterrorism investigation.

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The house had been under observation, as had

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As the search of the house continued into the night,

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other searches related to this incident were also being carried out

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However, police say there is no connection between these arrests

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Our Correspondent, Sara Smith is at New Scotland Yard.

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What's the latest? What we've heard from police this morning is that

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this was an active terror plot that they believe they've boiled. This

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address in Willesden was under observation by counterterrorism

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officers and the intelligence they received meant that last night they

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sent armed officers in. They used CS gas on the premises and during the

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raid was when this woman in her 20s was injured. This morning, the

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Assistant Commissioner for the Met, the National coordinator for

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counterterror tried to reassure the counterterror tried to reassure the

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public that although terror activity might be on the rise, so is police

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activity in tackling that. He said that this woman was in a serious but

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stable condition in hospital and he also talked a bit more about the

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arrests made. Given the horrors in London of a few

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short weeks ago and may I say our thoughts are still with the victims

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and survivors of that horrific day, I wanted to reassure the public that

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this increased level of terrorist activity is being matched by our

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actions, the police and security services across the country. We are

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making arrests on a near daily basis and you saw some of that, yesterday.

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I also wanted to pay tribute to the bravery of my uniformed colleagues,

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doing that work to keep us all safe. Police say it was because of

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intelligence received which meant that they went in, warned last

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night. It is extremely rare for a woman to be shot by police in this

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country. People here with many years of experience can't remember the

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last time it happened. We are told she is in a serious but stable

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condition, still in hospital. She is yet to be arrested with six other

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arrests have been made in several addresses around the capital are

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being searched, today. Thank you very much.

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Annita is in the BBC Newsroom with a summary

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The former Royal Marine Alexander Blackman -

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whose murder conviction for killing a Taliban fighter

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in Afghanistan was quashed - has been released from prison.

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Sergeant Blackman - known as "Marine A" -

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during the case - had his conviction reduced to manslaughter

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He has served more than three years of a seven-year sentence.

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A special fund set up to improve patient access to cancer drugs

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in England has been condemned as a "huge waste of money".

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The Cancer Drugs Fund, which ran from 2010

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until it was replaced last year, cost over ?1 billion.

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Our medical correspondent Fergus Walsh reports.

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The Cancer Drugs Fund was set up to pay for expensive medicines

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In part, it was a political response to repeated

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negative headlines about patients being denied treatment.

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Nearly 100,000 patients received drugs, but

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the study in the journal Annals of Oncology found just one in five

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treatments delivered a significant benefit,

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extending life by an average of three months.

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Researchers say it was an example of policy made

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The Cancer Drugs Fund was a major missed opportunity

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for the National Health Service and

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the cancer community to learn in the real world about the actual

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A great deal of money, over ?1 billion, was expended on this.

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And we didn't collect the data to look at individual cancer

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The study concludes many patients may have suffered

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But a leading breast cancer charity said the fund has had a totally

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transformational impact for many, offering precious extra time

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with loved ones for terminally ill patients.

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The fund was brought under the remit of the National Institute

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for Health and Care Excellence last year, so there is greater scrutiny

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And we'll be speaking to some of those affected by this story

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President Trump said there was a chance of what he called

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a "major, major conflict" with North Korea over its nuclear

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In a radio interview with the Reuters news agency,

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Mr Trump said he would prefer a diplomatic outcome to persuade

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But he said that would be very difficult to achieve.

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Well, there's a chance that we could have a major,

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a major, major conflict with North Korea, absolutely.

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The Royal Bank of Scotland has announced a profit of ?259 million

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in the first three months of the year.

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This compares to a loss of almost a billion pounds

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The bank is 72%-owned by the Government.

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It hasn't made a full-year profit in nine years,

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as it battles restructuring costs and fines resulting from years

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of over-expansion before the financial crisis.

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The car maker, Vauxhall, showed a Wreckless disregard for safetyW

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The car maker, Vauxhall, showed a wreckless disregard for safetyW

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over the way it handled a series of fires on its Zafira B

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A report by the Transport Select Committee found

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that the company was too slow to act, allowing people to drive

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The company says safety is its top priority and it has

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The general election will be a tipping point for education,

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according to headteachers who warn the stability of the whole

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A survey by the National Assocation of Headteachers found that nearly

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three-quarters of heads say their budget will be

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It comes as economists predict it would cost ?2 billion to freeze

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school funding in real terms over the next five years.

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Our Education Correspondent Marc Ashdown reports.

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A 24-hour strike is underway on Arriva Rail North,

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as part of an ongoing dispute over the role of guards.

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It's the third time that members of the Rail,

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Maritime and Transport Union have walked out in a row over

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staffing for new trains, which are due to come

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Arriva Rail North said it was disappointing

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that the union was unwilling to change its position during talks.

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That's a summary of the latest BBC News.

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Thank you very much. Alexander Blackman, marine, released A

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overnight having his murder conviction overturned to

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manslaughter. We talk will to someone who was with him in prison

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as he left, just after midnight last night. The man who managed the

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campaign to get him released, John Davis, he will join us later. Get in

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touch. And if you text, you will be charged

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at the standard network rate. A big game in the Premier League

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last night, but not exactly a classic? Exactly. Good morning. Like

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me, if you watched the Manchester derby last night, you will know it

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was a frenetic encounter, end to end play with all the passion you would

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expect, perhaps too much passion at times but the DRS sides were lacking

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in composure and quality. It's best described as attritional and it

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ended goalless at the Etihad Stadium, leaving City in the

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all-important final Champions League qualification spot but the main

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talking point was a straight red card for United midfielder Marouane

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Fellaini who was sent off for that headbutt on City striker Sergio

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Aguero. No hesitation from Martin Atkinson, the referee. A game of few

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chances. At the line by poor finishing Sergio Aguero, could have

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taken it at the death but couldn't control the finish. The hunt for the

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top four goes on for United. Jose Mourinho, their manager, after the

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game, explained what Fellini had made of his red card.

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We think it is probably not a red card. Cabrera was intelligent, the

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way he reacted. But he has to control. Five games left for City

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and United and City hold on to fourth spot, one point ahead of

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their local rivals in the Premier League. Interestingly, they both

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have the chance to leapfrog third placed Liverpool that they win all

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their remaining matches but still a lot to play for as we approach this

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final month of the season. A lot of excitement around a big boxing match

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tomorrow, Anthony Joshua in action. What a fight in the offing in London

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tomorrow night, 90,000 fans will pour into the stadium taking on a

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man who was world champion for over a decade in Wladimir Klitschko. So

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many questions and factors in an intriguing contest. At 41 years old,

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does Wladimir Klitschko have what it takes to take on Joshua? It is

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Joshua's 90th professional fight, does he have the experience to take

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a beat man -- to beat a man that reigned supreme for so long in the

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heavyweight division. Answers tomorrow night. Squaring up after

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their public work-out and press conference yesterday. The build-up

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has been pretty cordial between the two of them, no real predictions

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from either although Wladimir Klitschko has made one can he is

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keeping his memory cards close to his chest, take a look. On this USB

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stick I recorded a video last week. And the outcome of the fight. List

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stick is going to be integrated in my robe, which I'm going to wear

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this Saturday night. Sealed. Do not ask me, after the fight, what

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is on this stick. I would be asking! The only person who will find out is

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the one who grabs that robe at an auction after the fight. Wladimir

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Klitschko says it is up to them if they want to reveal what the

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contents of the video are. It is tough. You will have much more on it

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in the programme throughout the morning but it will be a very tough

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one. Interesting to see if Anthony Joshua can do it. I want to ask,

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that we are not allowed to ask! He seemed pretty serious, I wouldn't

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ask him! A special fund for cancer drugs set

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up to help give patients access to treatment not available

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on the NHS has been criticised The NHS Cancer Drugs Fund

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ran from 2010 to 2016, It was set-up to give quicker access

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to expensive drugs that hadn't yet been recommended by Nice -

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the body in charge of Among the drugs it's approved

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are Perjeta and Kadcyla for women with advanced

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breast cancer, which we've covered

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before on the programme. We'll be hearing shortly from one

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patient who benefitted from the fund and says it made a huge difference

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to her life. We'll also be joined by one

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of the report's authors, who have described the programme as "a huge

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waste of money" and a But what else could

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?1.27 billion pay Well, it could fund 10,000 nurses,

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or 2,500 hospital consultants. It could also fund a one-off pay

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rise for every member of NHS The Conservatives, who set up

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the fund, said it gave patients Let's speak now to Bonnie Fox,

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who has incurable cancer and takes one of the drugs approved

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by the Cancer Drugs Fund. Also here, Professor Richard

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Sullivan, one of the authors of the report from the Institute

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of Cancer Policy at And Mia Rosenblatt, assistant

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director of policy and campaigns Thank you all very much for coming

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in. Bonnie, Metellus first of all what you have been given as a result

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the fund. I have been on herceptin and perjeta combined. I have been

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able to carry on my life relatively normally since I was diagnosed in

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2015. From that diagnosis I am functioning fairly normally. I have

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returned to work. I have eight to macro year old son and can perform

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my role as a busy month, a wife and a daughter. These drugs have enabled

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me to do that. The low side effects of the drugs mean I have not

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required any hospitalisation and do not have any side effects from them

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I can carry on relatively normally. Without the fund he would not have

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had those drugs? I would not have had perjeta. The to macro drugs

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combined have meant I am still alive. You have been looking into

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what the fans were spending money on and the impact. You are not at all

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convinced. -- the fund was spending money on. There is this clinically

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meaningful benefit. There is nothing wrong with the CDF in principle for

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particularly expensive medicines which had not yet had Nice approval.

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We could not follow what the outcomes. Many patients do as we

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showed from the study, did not do well on those particular drugs but

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we did not learn about that. What we are doing is pouring more and more

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money into giving patients drugs that we really were not learning

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from. I guess, at the end of the day, the general point with patient

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access schemes of fairness. In the future thinking of opening up beyond

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medicines to include surgery and radiotherapy. It is about making

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sure clinically meaningful drugs like this are used in the NHS. Was

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it a failure of the people running it? It was a failure of looking

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properly at the outcomes of the drugs being prescribed. That is

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basic, why did not happen? That is the issue, finding out why it did

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happen. Now the CDF has been incorporated into the Nice process.

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You need to make sure you follow up patients very closely to see those

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who really benefit and to put more money into those. For those drugs

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which are not showing any benefit, to stop funding their eyes and put

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it into a different area. It is about research. The fund has gone.

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Does that mean you will continue to get the treatment you have been

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having? I will continue with the treatment. My next drug is up for

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review. The initial decision is that it will not be funded. We're working

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really hard to try to reverse that decision. The problem with this

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report which has been released, it is generalising and making a

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sweeping statement that the CDF has not been working for some it is not

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looking at those individual drugs which are working. It is insulting

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for those of us who are doing so well on it. There are many of us who

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are doing well on them. It is damaging to our campaign to try to

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save the drugs and make sure they are funded on the NHS. We do not

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know if future patients will be able to get perjeta. If you are on the

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treatment you will continue to get it that we do not know what will

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happen in the future. The fund was set up for a short amount of time

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very deliberate lead to try to get drugs through which were struggling

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to get through Nice like perjeta. Why were they struggling? It is part

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of the Nice process. It takes into account different factors and comes

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up with a yes, or a no, as to whether the drugs were available.

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The drugs are available to people with incurable cancer. In the case

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of perjeta, it is a combination drug. Whatever the manufacturer

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says, it is not cost-effective. That shows there is something not quite

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nice in the system. The process was going to be looked at more broadly.

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The wider reform did not come. The end of the life of the cancer drug

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fund came. Now it has gone back into Nice and does not exist in the same

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way. What we really need to look at is how we can more broadly reform

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the system so we are not costing the NHS more money but we're getting

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more drugs through. There is an opportunity through the agreement

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that pharmaceutical companies make with the Department of Health called

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the Pharmaceutical Pricing Agreement, is where we could get

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drugs available with no extra cost. That will be renegotiated in the

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next year and that is where we should be focusing. It is a horrible

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debate when it centres on, what price do put on life? Those are the

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fundamentals that get looked at. We are all in agreement. We want drugs

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which benefit all technologies to get into the NHS. This is about

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accommodation and solidarity. Governments that are prepared to pay

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fair prices for the wealth of the country, for medicines and other

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technologies. You need companies setting their prices as well. Part

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of this is negotiations around tax relief and negotiations in this

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country around the sort of prices they will offer. We are trying to

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get new drugs through and new technologies through for patients

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that will drive improvements in outcomes and be of really good value

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to society as a whole. We are all on the same page. At the beginning we

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outlined what the money going into the fund could have paid for in

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terms of staff within the NHS. That does not work right. It comes back

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to the point of how you trade of peoples lives. That is not fair. You

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cannot say we could have spent the money on this. The money was spent.

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Some patients benefited fantastically but a lot did not. We

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have to learn from where we made mistakes with that particular access

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scheme and the way it was run and make sure that does not happen the

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future. When you had your criticisms of the fund, it was that money could

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be better spent. It is not that harm was done to anyone. It is the way we

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watched and reviewed patients who were treated with the drugs will do

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we could have learned much earlier which drugs are working and which

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were not. That was the issue at the end of the day. We have to properly

:24:15.:24:19.

audit these access schemes. Patients expect that as well, to learn from

:24:20.:24:25.

our clinical experience. When you talked about campaigning for drugs,

:24:26.:24:28.

you are in a situation where you have terminal cancer and you are

:24:29.:24:34.

fighting to try to get extra life, better quality of life. How does it

:24:35.:24:39.

feel to be fighting at the same time as living with what he while living

:24:40.:24:46.

with? It is fairly exhausting. It is a shame because I feel so well at

:24:47.:24:52.

the moment. A life with secondary breast cancer is full of anxiety and

:24:53.:24:58.

uncertainty. It is very stressful. Having the additional worry of, will

:24:59.:25:02.

my next drug be in place? It is a huge worry. I want to enjoy my life.

:25:03.:25:08.

I am feeling so well. I do not want to worry, it is the next drug there

:25:09.:25:10.

for me? Thank you for coming in. We've had this statement from

:25:11.:25:18.

the Conservative Party, it says: That statement from the

:25:19.:25:40.

Conservatives. We'll hear from a successful

:25:41.:25:43.

journalist who found out her husband was a heroin addict,

:25:44.:25:46.

she'd had no idea for three years. Poorna Bell is now opening up

:25:47.:25:49.

about what happened to her husband Rob, and is sharing her story

:25:50.:25:53.

with this programme. After serving more than three years

:25:54.:25:57.

into a seven-year prison sentence, the Royal Marine,

:25:58.:26:00.

Sergeant Alexander Blackman, His life term sentence for murder

:26:01.:26:05.

for shooting dead a wounded Taliban fighter had been

:26:06.:26:10.

reduced to manslaughter. It followed a campaign

:26:11.:26:17.

led by his wife, Claire Blackman. In an exclusive interview

:26:18.:26:19.

in September 2015, Claire told us about the moment her husband

:26:20.:26:22.

was arrested. The first we knew was the knock

:26:23.:26:24.

on the door, for him to be arrested. It was a quiet weekend morning,

:26:25.:26:27.

and there was a knock on the door. I opened the door and invited

:26:28.:26:37.

the individuals in, And as they came in my husband came

:26:38.:26:42.

downstairs and they read out the charge of breaches of the Geneva

:26:43.:26:48.

Convention, at that stage. And did you know

:26:49.:26:57.

what that meant, then? When did it become clear

:26:58.:26:59.

that he was going to be I think as the investigation

:27:00.:27:05.

continued, the charge changed a week It was something, as I said,

:27:06.:27:10.

it was totally out of the blue. Last month, Court Martial Appeal

:27:11.:27:26.

judges reduced his sentence after being told Sergeant Blackman

:27:27.:27:30.

had a recognised mental illness at the time of the killing

:27:31.:27:34.

in September 2011. The judge's decision meant he would

:27:35.:27:41.

be released in a matter of weeks. Claire Blackman was in court

:27:42.:27:47.

and spoke to her husband via video I think it took a little longer

:27:48.:27:50.

for the realisation to hit. I think he'd worked very

:27:51.:27:54.

hard to prepare himself for not such good news,

:27:55.:27:56.

so once it had finally dawned on us that we were going to be together

:27:57.:27:59.

soon, we were very happy. And is it true, via video

:28:00.:28:03.

link, he managed to get The court staff have been

:28:04.:28:05.

absolutely fantastic. We've been a regular appearance

:28:06.:28:14.

in Court 4 and the staff have got to know us and look

:28:15.:28:18.

after us very well. And they allow us at the end

:28:19.:28:20.

of the video link to have a quick I did warn him that the court had

:28:21.:28:23.

not yet cleared, but yes, The campaign to release

:28:24.:28:29.

Sergeant Blackman was managed He was at Erlestoke Prison

:28:30.:28:41.

in the early hours of this We can speak to him now, live from

:28:42.:28:52.

Bristol. Thank you for joining us. What was the moment like? Good

:28:53.:28:56.

morning. It was absolutely fantastic. I was not actually

:28:57.:29:00.

outside the prison, I was with care when the police brought to Clare the

:29:01.:29:11.

secret location they are staying at the moment. It was surreal to see

:29:12.:29:17.

them both relaxed. It was an amazing moment for what has been a very long

:29:18.:29:21.

three and a half years for everyone involved. It made it all worthwhile,

:29:22.:29:27.

without a shadow of a doubt. What did he say? He did not say a zero,

:29:28.:29:35.

to be fair. This is probably about half past to this morning. He just

:29:36.:29:42.

said it is very surreal really. He was commenting on the car journey

:29:43.:29:47.

and the fact he has not been in a car for a few years will do that in

:29:48.:29:52.

itself was very strange. It will take a bit of time to transition

:29:53.:29:58.

back into normality for him. Were they emotional? Of course they were.

:29:59.:30:04.

It has been the end to a very horrific period for them. I believe

:30:05.:30:09.

there will be an exclusive interview by the Daily Mail which will come

:30:10.:30:15.

out tomorrow, detailing all of this. Why did it all happen in the early

:30:16.:30:17.

hours of the morning? It was to miss the unwanted media.

:30:18.:30:30.

It's very easy for us from a campaign perspective to understand

:30:31.:30:33.

how high profile this has been, how the media have been outside the

:30:34.:30:36.

courts outside Parliament, outside Birmingham. But Al hasn't been

:30:37.:30:43.

subjected to any of this. To try and keep him away from a lot of that at

:30:44.:30:49.

this early stage, for us, for his wife and himself, it was very

:30:50.:30:54.

important. How and why did you get involved? More than anything else,

:30:55.:30:58.

obviously, he is a fellow Royal Marine. Nobody else was doing

:30:59.:31:02.

anything. That's what really bugged me. It's not what we are about as

:31:03.:31:06.

Royal Marines, as service men. We look at each other. The more and

:31:07.:31:11.

more we looked into the gates, the more holes we could find in the

:31:12.:31:15.

court-martial -- looked into the case, the more. We reached just over

:31:16.:31:23.

100,000 signatures, which secured the Parliamentary debate which got

:31:24.:31:27.

an MP involved and Frederick Forsyth from the Daily Mail and the

:31:28.:31:34.

fantastic legal team. It's been an incredible journey and it couldn't

:31:35.:31:38.

have been done with -- without the amazing public support and the will

:31:39.:31:41.

Marine 's family backing support. It's been amazing, the whole thing

:31:42.:31:46.

has been brilliant. As you say, it has unfolded over a long time and

:31:47.:31:49.

those on the outside have been well aware of what's been going on and

:31:50.:31:54.

experiencing it. He is going to face that onslaught. What will they do,

:31:55.:32:01.

now? Now it will be a bit of a transition period. They will have a

:32:02.:32:08.

good few weeks to themselves. Decide what he wants to do next. In the

:32:09.:32:14.

coming weeks, coming months. It must be such a strange feeling being able

:32:15.:32:18.

to plan your future whereas a month ago he thought he would have another

:32:19.:32:21.

four and a half to five and a half years serving. It will take a bit of

:32:22.:32:27.

time to decide what his next steps are, really. Thank you for joining

:32:28.:32:28.

us. My pleasure. As the UK's counter-terrorism unit

:32:29.:32:32.

say they're making arrests on a "near daily" basis,

:32:33.:32:35.

we'll be live at New Scotland Yard One of the biggest boxing fights on

:32:36.:32:47.

British soil as Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko meet in the ring.

:32:48.:32:52.

But who will be crowned heavyweight world champion? We will speak to a

:32:53.:32:54.

boxer who sparred with both fighters.

:32:55.:33:01.

When I was like 17, 18, it was about being cool,

:33:02.:33:04.

And now I'm fighting Wlad, everything that I've done over

:33:05.:33:09.

the last three years, it's built me up to now.

:33:10.:33:11.

I found out what I need to do, what works, what don't work.

:33:12.:33:14.

Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom with a summary of todays news.

:33:15.:33:24.

The UK's counter-terrorism unit say they're making arrests

:33:25.:33:28.

The unit's policing coordinator made the comments in the last hour -

:33:29.:33:33.

saying six people have now been detained in connection

:33:34.:33:37.

with an anti-terror operation in Willesden, north-west

:33:38.:33:39.

London, during which a woman was shot and injured by police.

:33:40.:33:42.

It happened hours after a man was arrested for allegedly

:33:43.:33:44.

attempting a terror attack near the Houses of Parliament.

:33:45.:33:46.

Officers say the two incidents aren't connected.

:33:47.:33:54.

We will be live at Scotland Yard, soon.

:33:55.:33:59.

Given the horrors in London of a few short weeks ago and may I say our

:34:00.:34:03.

thoughts are still with the victims and survivors of that horrific day,

:34:04.:34:06.

I wanted to reassure the public that this increased level

:34:07.:34:08.

of terrorist activity is being matched by our

:34:09.:34:10.

actions, the police and security services across the country.

:34:11.:34:14.

We are making arrests on a near daily basis

:34:15.:34:16.

and you saw some of that, yesterday.

:34:17.:34:18.

I also wanted to pay tribute to the bravery

:34:19.:34:20.

of my uniformed colleagues, doing that work to keep us all safe.

:34:21.:34:30.

We will be back at Scotland Yard in a moment.

:34:31.:34:33.

A fund set up to improve patient access to cancer drugs in England

:34:34.:34:36.

has been condemned by researchers as a "huge waste of money".

:34:37.:34:38.

The Cancer Drugs Fund ran from 2010 until last year and cost

:34:39.:34:41.

nearly ?1.3 billion, but a new study by King's College

:34:42.:34:44.

London claims most of the drugs failed to show clinical benefit,

:34:45.:34:46.

and many patients may have suffered unnecessary side effects.

:34:47.:34:49.

However, one leading breast cancer charity said the fund had

:34:50.:34:51.

The former Royal Marine Alexander Blackman,

:34:52.:34:58.

whose murder conviction for killing a Taliban fighter in

:34:59.:35:00.

Afghanistan was quashed, has been released from prison.

:35:01.:35:07.

Sergeant Blackman, known as "Marine A"

:35:08.:35:08.

during the case, had his conviction reduced to manslaughter

:35:09.:35:11.

He has served more than three years of a seven-year sentence.

:35:12.:35:16.

The car maker Vauxhall showed a "reckless disregard for safety"

:35:17.:35:19.

over the way it handled a series of fires on its Zafira B

:35:20.:35:22.

A report by the Transport Select Committee found

:35:23.:35:27.

that the company was too slow to act, allowing people to drive

:35:28.:35:30.

The company says safety is its top priority and it has

:35:31.:35:33.

When they did act and said they'd put things right, cars were still

:35:34.:35:45.

And even at that point, they didn't recall the cars fully.

:35:46.:35:52.

And this is totally unacceptable and is putting people's

:35:53.:35:54.

Within the past few minutes, the office for National to statistics

:35:55.:36:07.

has released the latest GDP figures -- office for National statistics.

:36:08.:36:13.

The economy grew by 0.4% in the first quarter of this year.

:36:14.:36:18.

That's a summary of the latest BBC News - more at 10.00.

:36:19.:36:22.

It was all about the race for fourth Champions League spot

:36:23.:36:32.

last night in the Manchester derby but the match didn't

:36:33.:36:35.

A moment of madness was the main talking point,

:36:36.:36:40.

United's Marouane Fellaini was sent off after headbutting City

:36:41.:36:42.

That happened 14 seconds after he'd been booked for another foul

:36:43.:36:46.

The goalless draw meant City and United stay fourth

:36:47.:36:49.

Former Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard is to take charge

:36:50.:36:52.

of the club's under 18's side from next season.

:36:53.:36:55.

Gerrard returned to Liverpool's academy in February

:36:56.:36:56.

Anthony Joshua says he won't be affected

:36:57.:37:01.

by Wladimir Klitschko's mind games ahead of their heavyweight title

:37:02.:37:03.

Klitchscko says he's made a video prediction but won't reveal it.

:37:04.:37:09.

Joshua says "he's heard it all before."

:37:10.:37:12.

And today is the first day of cycling's Tour De Yorkshire.

:37:13.:37:15.

The first stage goes from Bridlington to Scarborough.

:37:16.:37:17.

Thomas Voeckler is the men's defending champion while Britain's

:37:18.:37:19.

Lizzie Deignan is hoping for victory in the women's race.

:37:20.:37:31.

Something on the Joshua fight just after 10am as well. Do you think he

:37:32.:37:38.

is predicting he is going to lose? I doubt it very much! We will talk a

:37:39.:37:40.

bit more about that fight, later. Let's get more on our top story,

:37:41.:37:42.

and police say they've foiled an active terrorist plot

:37:43.:37:45.

after carrying out an armed raid A female suspect was shot

:37:46.:37:48.

during the operation and is in a serious but stable

:37:49.:37:50.

condition in hospital. Our correspondent Sara Smith

:37:51.:37:53.

is at the Metropolitan Police What is the latest? Within the last

:37:54.:38:08.

hour, police confirmed they believe they have foiled an active terror

:38:09.:38:13.

plot, planned for UK soil. Anti-terrorist officers had this

:38:14.:38:18.

address in Willesden in north London under surveillance and Jude to

:38:19.:38:20.

intelligence they received, they tell us, they went in, armed last

:38:21.:38:25.

night, first of all firing CS gas into the premises. It was during

:38:26.:38:30.

this raid that this woman in her 20s was shot and injured and she remains

:38:31.:38:35.

in hospital in a serious but stable condition. The National coordinator

:38:36.:38:42.

for counterterror, said today that while terror activities may be on

:38:43.:38:45.

the rise, police activity was also going up to deal with it.

:38:46.:38:50.

In Whitehall, a 27-year-old man was arrested. They stopped and searched

:38:51.:39:00.

him as part of an ongoing counterterrorism investigation. He

:39:01.:39:04.

remains in custody, having been arrested for terrorism act offences

:39:05.:39:08.

and possession of offensive weapons. There are two ongoing searches of

:39:09.:39:11.

addresses in London as part of that investigation. In our second and

:39:12.:39:19.

unrelated investigation, last night at approximately 7pm, our highly

:39:20.:39:22.

trained firearms officers carried out a specialist entry into an

:39:23.:39:27.

address in Harlesden Road. We have that under observation as part of a

:39:28.:39:31.

current counterterrorism investigation. The armed entry was

:39:32.:39:35.

necessary due to the nature of the intelligence we were dealing with

:39:36.:39:38.

and involved armed officers firing CS gas into the address. During the

:39:39.:39:44.

course of that operation, one of the subjects, a woman, was shot by

:39:45.:39:52.

police. She remains in hospital. I can say her condition is serious but

:39:53.:39:55.

it is stable. Because of her condition, she has not yet been

:39:56.:39:58.

arrested and we are monitoring her condition closely. As is routine in

:39:59.:40:06.

these situations, we have informed the Independent Police Complaints

:40:07.:40:09.

Commission. In total, in that second operation, six people have now been

:40:10.:40:13.

arrested in connection with the investigation, five at or near the

:40:14.:40:17.

address in North London and one in Kent. The two further arrests were

:40:18.:40:22.

made when a man and a woman, both aged 28, returned to the address

:40:23.:40:28.

later tonight last night. There are search is ongoing at three London

:40:29.:40:31.

addresses, including Harlesden Road as part of that investigation. --

:40:32.:40:35.

returned to the address later that night. Due to the arrests made

:40:36.:40:38.

yesterday, in both cases I believe we have contained the threats they

:40:39.:40:44.

have posed. With the attack in Westminster on the 22nd of March so

:40:45.:40:48.

fresh in people's minds, I would like to reassure everyone that

:40:49.:40:51.

across the country, officers are working around the clock to identify

:40:52.:40:54.

those people who intend to commit acts of terror.

:40:55.:40:58.

To recap, six arrests in all, in connection with last night's raid,

:40:59.:41:03.

three of them men, three of them women. All still in custody. The

:41:04.:41:08.

woman who was shot is in hospital in a serious but stable condition and

:41:09.:41:12.

is under arrest. It is extremely rare for a woman to be shot by

:41:13.:41:17.

police in this country. In fact, nobody here can remember the last

:41:18.:41:22.

time it happened. Searches are ongoing and three London addresses

:41:23.:41:24.

in connection with last night's raid and police say they believe they

:41:25.:41:27.

have contained the threat they posed. Following the arrest in

:41:28.:41:32.

Westminster yesterday where a man was arrested not far from here, two

:41:33.:41:38.

addresses in London are also being searched. The Deputy Assistant

:41:39.:41:42.

Commissioner Neil Basu, who we just heard from, he described it as being

:41:43.:41:47.

an extraordinary day in London. He also thanked the general public and

:41:48.:41:51.

said that with the best will in the world from police, it was

:41:52.:41:54.

communities and people getting in touch that would help him fight

:41:55.:41:55.

terrorism. Thank you. Amid the noise, news and occasional

:41:56.:41:59.

name-calling surrounding the General Election,

:42:00.:42:01.

you might not have noticed that next week, for many of us,

:42:02.:42:03.

there's a local one too. All the council areas

:42:04.:42:06.

in Scotland and Wales, and many counties across England

:42:07.:42:09.

are up for grabs. Not only that but in six areas,

:42:10.:42:14.

Greater Manchester, Liverpool, Tees Valley, Cambridgeshire

:42:15.:42:16.

and Peterborough, West of England and the West Midlands,

:42:17.:42:19.

for the first time, they'll be That's a Mayor that

:42:20.:42:23.

represents an area comprising a number of councils,

:42:24.:42:28.

a bit like in London. Let's speak to some of our

:42:29.:42:30.

political correspondents In Scotland, we've got Brian Taylor,

:42:31.:42:32.

in Wales, Tomos Morgan and Nina Warhurst is in

:42:33.:42:38.

the North West of England, where they're voting for two

:42:39.:42:40.

of the Metro mayors. Brian, tell us about the picture in

:42:41.:42:49.

Scotland. These elections matter in themselves, 1200 councillors in all

:42:50.:42:55.

32 Scottish local authorities, they run the schools, the social work,

:42:56.:42:58.

they take when the bin -- take away the bins and salt the roads. They

:42:59.:43:02.

are significant themselves but completely subsumed within the UK

:43:03.:43:06.

general election. They will be looking for pointers from the

:43:07.:43:09.

Scottish local elections as to how things might be at the UK general

:43:10.:43:14.

election in Scotland. 2001, last time these councils were contested

:43:15.:43:17.

and the SNP were narrowly in the lead both in terms of voting share

:43:18.:43:27.

and in councillors. Labour actually ended up, because of the

:43:28.:43:29.

proportional voting system, you have to haggle as to who runs the

:43:30.:43:32.

councils, Labour actually ended up in sole control of more councils

:43:33.:43:34.

than the SNP. Will that be repeated now? Since then, the SNP have surged

:43:35.:43:37.

in the UK general election and Hollywood elections and there has

:43:38.:43:40.

now been a sign of a revival of the Tories. The Tories are keen to

:43:41.:43:44.

supplant labour as the second party. One big one to look out for would-be

:43:45.:43:49.

the great city of Glasgow, a Labour stronghold since everyone remembers

:43:50.:43:53.

but the SNP took seats there from both Westminster and Holyrood. Could

:43:54.:43:56.

they do that again at the Council bubble? Another thing to watch, the

:43:57.:44:02.

individual wards will give the individual candidates pointers as to

:44:03.:44:06.

the way things are shifting. The trend of voting in Scotland. That

:44:07.:44:10.

will be translated into endeavours and efforts for the UK general

:44:11.:44:15.

election itself. I stress that these elections matter in themselves. I

:44:16.:44:17.

hand over to my colleague in Wales. 22 local elections in Wales. 1200

:44:18.:44:30.

seats and over 3400 and dates. The First Minister said when Theresa May

:44:31.:44:33.

announced the general election, that would have an impact on the local

:44:34.:44:36.

elections across the UK. Labour has always been strong in

:44:37.:44:44.

Wales, they hold a number of the councils across Wales. In a way,

:44:45.:44:48.

they have the most to lose. I will run some of the key battle grounds

:44:49.:44:53.

through with you, Cardiff, the capital, by far the biggest local

:44:54.:44:55.

authority. Rabies control after taking it from the Lib Dem Plaid

:44:56.:45:01.

Cymru coalition -- Labour is in control after taking. Infighting in

:45:02.:45:04.

labour in the last few years, they have had a change of leadership so

:45:05.:45:08.

they will be under a three pronged attack from Plaid Cymru from the

:45:09.:45:11.

west of Cardiff, the Tories in the north and the Lib Dems in the

:45:12.:45:15.

central. They will battle to keep hold of this biggest council across

:45:16.:45:16.

Wales. Ten of the councillors quit the

:45:17.:45:34.

party in 2015. They'll be back in to take it back as the Tories worry

:45:35.:45:39.

battling to make some gains. Another key area for them. In the West, a

:45:40.:45:51.

classic bike between Plaid Cymru and Labour put Labour were in control in

:45:52.:45:55.

the last election but Labour will be trying to make some ground. That is

:45:56.:46:03.

the situation in Wales. Now to my colleague in the North West of

:46:04.:46:10.

England. The big two votes are the election of the Metro Mayor. The

:46:11.:46:17.

Liverpool city region, plus Merseyside and a borough of Holton

:46:18.:46:21.

in Cheshire. They will elect mayors for the first time was that this is

:46:22.:46:26.

history in the making. The powers that are being handed down from

:46:27.:46:30.

Westminster are not significant. The mayor and the leader of the boroughs

:46:31.:46:36.

will take control of transport, housing, strategic planning. In

:46:37.:46:39.

greater Manchester the Mayor will become the head of the police

:46:40.:46:44.

service, the PCC, as well as becoming head of the Fire And Rescue

:46:45.:46:47.

Services. When you go and speak to people, are they are where it is

:46:48.:46:54.

happening? Not really. There is lots of confusion. People get it confused

:46:55.:46:58.

with the guy with the chain. When you explain it will be like Boris

:46:59.:47:01.

Johnson used to beat McKenna Livingstone used to be, there is a

:47:02.:47:07.

bit of understanding but there is concern that turnout will be low for

:47:08.:47:15.

these elections. It is on a knife edge. It slips between the

:47:16.:47:19.

Conservatives and the Labour Party. It has marginal Labour control at

:47:20.:47:24.

the moment. Within Lancashire there are five marginal constituencies for

:47:25.:47:28.

the general election. That is often seen as a bellwether area and could

:47:29.:47:31.

be seen as a prediction of how the general election will go. Thank you

:47:32.:47:40.

all very much. Listening in, Tony Travers, from the London School of

:47:41.:47:44.

economic and political science. Let's talk about turnout in the

:47:45.:47:48.

local elections. So many elections at the moment. We have been

:47:49.:47:54.

bombarded. What does that do in terms of engagement and turnout?

:47:55.:47:59.

There is always a risk that when you get a lot of election in the

:48:00.:48:04.

country, be polite to vote in Britain. It is a mature democracy.

:48:05.:48:09.

They do not like to vote too often. We have had a sequence in Scotland,

:48:10.:48:13.

Northern Ireland and England and Wales. In the big city regions, with

:48:14.:48:21.

the Metro mayors, in most of those places, there are no other election

:48:22.:48:26.

is going on. As it is a new post covering a big geography around the

:48:27.:48:29.

city centre, there is some concern as to whether the turnout will be

:48:30.:48:34.

anything like as big as we have seen in the London mayoral election. Last

:48:35.:48:40.

time the turnout was 45%. The fear is the turnout will be lower as when

:48:41.:48:45.

the police and crime commission elections took place. General

:48:46.:48:54.

elections 65-70%. 45% for local elections is generally considered

:48:55.:48:59.

pretty good. In your average, metropolitan district, London or shy

:49:00.:49:04.

elections, you would be expecting to get results having between --

:49:05.:49:10.

averaging between 35 and 40%. We will see less than that in the new

:49:11.:49:16.

mayoral elections. These elections do matter in themselves. We're all

:49:17.:49:19.

looking at them and thinking about how much they will indicate on what

:49:20.:49:24.

we can expect in a general election not that long after. What would you

:49:25.:49:29.

say on that front? They are local elections. Everyone who goes out to

:49:30.:49:33.

vote is voting on the quality of services. Standing back from it,

:49:34.:49:39.

these elections are five weeks before a general election and they

:49:40.:49:43.

are bound to be viewed as a way of trying to understand the way real

:49:44.:49:49.

votes are being cast. With local elections, they are real votes. With

:49:50.:49:54.

that in mind, when we distil the results nationally, people will be

:49:55.:49:58.

saying, are the Conservatives doing quite as well in these real results

:49:59.:50:03.

as they are in the polls quest to our Labour doing as badly? So on. As

:50:04.:50:08.

we heard in the packages earlier on, there are real elections where we

:50:09.:50:13.

can see whether the Conservatives can win control of Lancashire,

:50:14.:50:17.

Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire. Terrible results for Labour should

:50:18.:50:20.

that happen and good for the Conservatives. Will the Liberal

:50:21.:50:27.

Democrats the resurgent in the West of England? It is a big test of

:50:28.:50:32.

opinion locally and nationally. Thank you very much.

:50:33.:50:35.

And you can find out more about the local and mayoral

:50:36.:50:38.

elections in your area (GFX) On the BBC News website -

:50:39.:50:40.

And you can watch MP for a day, who cares about politics? Victoria

:50:41.:50:53.

Derbyshire documentary on the BBC I player.

:50:54.:50:56.

Britain's world heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua is preparing

:50:57.:50:58.

for the biggest fight of his career tomorrow night when he steps

:50:59.:51:01.

into the ring to face Ukranian Wladimir Klitschko.

:51:02.:51:03.

90,000 people are expected to fill Wembley to watch the bout,

:51:04.:51:05.

which will see the winner become the "unified" heavyweight

:51:06.:51:08.

Anthony Joshua is looking to maintain his perfect unbeaten

:51:09.:51:11.

Wladimir Klitschko is aiming to reclaim

:51:12.:51:13.

the International Boxing Federation and World Boxing Association titles

:51:14.:51:16.

Let's take a look at this clip of Joshua in action.

:51:17.:51:26.

This is from a BBC Three documentary looking ahead to this

:51:27.:51:29.

I like my rest but I need to start earlier so

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Every morning when you wake up you have to

:51:37.:51:43.

No one puts a gun to my head and says, you have to be a boxer.

:51:44.:51:57.

When I was like 17, 18, it was about being cool,

:51:58.:52:00.

Everything that I've done over the last three years, it's built me

:52:01.:52:13.

I found out what I need to do, what works, what don't work.

:52:14.:52:17.

Joining us now is Rob Madden, Anthony Joshua's physiotherapist,

:52:18.:52:27.

Dillian Whyte, who shared a battle with Anthony Joshua and has also

:52:28.:52:30.

and Olympic bronze medalist Anthony Ogogo.

:52:31.:52:35.

Thank you all for joining us. Rob, he said the last 13 weeks of

:52:36.:52:43.

preparation are tougher than any time. What has he been doing to

:52:44.:52:49.

prepare? Building on previous training camps. Preparing very hard.

:52:50.:52:55.

He is running into a lot of hard sparring, pad work. Putting his body

:52:56.:53:00.

through a gruelling schedule. It is a serious fight. It had to be done.

:53:01.:53:07.

How is he? He is happy physically and in a great place. The mind

:53:08.:53:14.

games, we heard Wladimir Klitschko playing the tape predicting the

:53:15.:53:23.

outcome. How much is that a factor, keeping focused mentally? He is

:53:24.:53:30.

relaxed. I cannot see the USB stick having much effect on him. He has

:53:31.:53:38.

eight tougher skin than that. Anthony, you have known him for ten

:53:39.:53:44.

years. He is such an interesting character. He still lives at home

:53:45.:53:48.

with his mum. He said had he not gone into boxing, he would be in

:53:49.:53:53.

jail. He had difficult times earlier in his life. Tell me more about him.

:53:54.:53:59.

I have trained alongside him for the last seven, eight years. The use of

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the decayed person. He trained very hard. He is very confident. -- he is

:54:04.:54:14.

a dedicated person. He backed himself. He trained hard as his

:54:15.:54:18.

confidence comes with how he trains. I trained with him for a long time.

:54:19.:54:25.

We have raced together, hit the bag together. He trained very hard. He

:54:26.:54:31.

deserves his success. A really good fighter and a massive challenge for

:54:32.:54:35.

him. Clitch coe has been a tremendous champion for the last few

:54:36.:54:49.

years. -- Wladimir Klitschko. I have fought Anthony twice and Wladimir

:54:50.:54:52.

Klitschko a few times. It is one of those fights which is tricky at the

:54:53.:55:01.

moment. It depends how much Wladimir Klitschko attacks and how much

:55:02.:55:05.

Anthony Joshua is challenge. It is difficult to pick a winner. We will

:55:06.:55:18.

see how heavy Joshua comes in and how heavy that it clitch coe is.

:55:19.:55:24.

Wladimir Klitschko has been to Mendis champion. -- a tremendous

:55:25.:55:35.

champion. Joshua is young, hungry and fast. He is a fast fighter. A

:55:36.:55:44.

lot of guys that size can punch hard. His speed is to Mendis factor.

:55:45.:55:52.

Wladimir Klitschko had that speed back in the day. -- a tremendous

:55:53.:55:58.

factor. It is how much Anthony Joshua can take him out of his

:55:59.:56:03.

stride and let his bath and go. If he does that, I think he will win.

:56:04.:56:12.

-- let his bath and go. It takes it out of you. I think Joshua is

:56:13.:56:19.

younger, fresher, faster. That will be the difference in winning the

:56:20.:56:23.

fight. In terms of preparation when he says he does not worry about

:56:24.:56:28.

getting injured in the ring because he tests everything before he goes

:56:29.:56:33.

in. Talk through what it is like being there when he is training and

:56:34.:56:38.

how he is approaching it. It is about teamwork around him and

:56:39.:56:42.

balancing his training loads and his recovery. He is training hard and

:56:43.:56:50.

put in a lot of stress on his body for the utilising the strength and

:56:51.:56:52.

conditioning and physiotherapy. This week is about being quiet on that

:56:53.:56:57.

front. Addressing the tight spots. His muscles are feeling really fresh

:56:58.:57:00.

for tomorrow night. I am really happy with where he is at. Everyone

:57:01.:57:06.

is. I hope Wladimir Klitschko is in the same position. Both are coming

:57:07.:57:10.

in strong and healthy and it will be a good fight. People see the

:57:11.:57:16.

physicality of boxing. It is a mental sport as well, isn't it?

:57:17.:57:24.

People watch boxing and see two, big, muscular guys throwing punches

:57:25.:57:31.

and they think that is it. It is so technical. Every game plan has been

:57:32.:57:39.

sorted out. It is not about doing press ups, bicep curling was he has

:57:40.:57:45.

spent 13 weeks going over game plans. Doing one thing and then the

:57:46.:57:49.

next week doing another thing. It is a hard business. Both guys can punch

:57:50.:57:56.

very hard. If you make one mistake, you are knocked out. You have lost

:57:57.:58:01.

the credibility you have built up. Thank you. We are looking forward to

:58:02.:58:06.

the fight tomorrow. Thank you very much for joining us.

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If you're watching on BBC Two, in a moment coverage of the snooker.

:58:10.:58:12.

To continue watching our programme turn over to the BBC

:58:13.:58:15.

News Channel, where coming up in the next half hour.

:58:16.:58:18.

A successful journalist found out her husband

:58:19.:58:20.

Poorna Bell is now opening up about what happened to her husband

:58:21.:58:31.

Rob, and is sharing her story with this programme just after 10.

:58:32.:58:43.

Largely fine, dry day out there and this was the scene taken by our

:58:44.:58:53.

weather Watchers in Broadstairs. As we head through the bank holiday

:58:54.:58:57.

weekend, the quiet theme continues at least for a while. A bit warmer

:58:58.:59:02.

than they have been, turning quite breezy and at times, there's a

:59:03.:59:05.

chance of rain, particularly on Sunday. One or two showers across

:59:06.:59:11.

Scotland, northern England, Wales and southern England but either side

:59:12.:59:15.

of that line of cloud, dry and brighter stop decent sunshine.

:59:16.:59:19.

Lighter winds and recent days and temperatures at around 15 degrees.

:59:20.:59:24.

Saturday, the driest day of the weekend. Quite a bit of sunshine.

:59:25.:59:29.

The chance of the rogue shower. Temperatures around 16. Windy in the

:59:30.:59:37.

west. Sunday, some rain in the south-west of England. Wales as

:59:38.:59:42.

well, going north-east but some uncertainty on Sunday. Looks like

:59:43.:59:45.

Northern and north-eastern part of the country should stay dry and

:59:46.:59:50.

breezy. Most of the rain clears through bank holiday Monday. A

:59:51.:59:53.

return to some sunshine, 12 showers but it should feel pleasant with

:59:54.:59:57.

lighter winds and temperatures up to 16 degrees.

:59:58.:00:03.

It's Friday, ten o'clock and I am Joanna Gosling, thanks for your

:00:04.:00:13.

company. If a woman has been shot during an anti-terror operation on a

:00:14.:00:16.

residential street in north-west London. Neil Basu said six people

:00:17.:00:22.

have now been arrested. I wanted to reassure the public

:00:23.:00:28.

that this increased level of terrorist activity

:00:29.:00:30.

is being matched by our actions, the police and security

:00:31.:00:32.

services across the country. We are making arrests

:00:33.:00:34.

on a near daily basis and you saw some

:00:35.:00:36.

of that, yesterday. We will have the latest in Willesden

:00:37.:00:38.

Junction shortly. A successful journalist only

:00:39.:00:44.

found out after three years that her husband

:00:45.:00:46.

was a heroin addict. He sought help but later

:00:47.:00:49.

relapsed and killed himself. Poorna Bell is here to share her

:00:50.:00:51.

story with this programme. The idea that the person

:00:52.:00:56.

I loved most in the world, that I trusted most

:00:57.:00:59.

in the world would be using

:01:00.:01:00.

something like that not even periodically,

:01:01.:01:02.

but would be an addict, it was

:01:03.:01:03.

absolutely unfathomable. I would never have made that

:01:04.:01:05.

connection if he hadn't Imagine buying a new home,

:01:06.:01:07.

but finding that the cost to rent the ground the property

:01:08.:01:16.

is on is doubling every few years. That's what happened to some

:01:17.:01:19.

leasehold homeowners. But now one developer,

:01:20.:01:21.

Taylor Wimpey, has set aside a fund of ?130 million to help

:01:22.:01:23.

reduce these costs after It just seems immoral

:01:24.:01:25.

and completely unethical. And you read the contract

:01:26.:01:32.

as much as... I think I probably read

:01:33.:01:34.

the contract about 50 times. And it didn't matter

:01:35.:01:36.

how many times I read the one paragraph in which this

:01:37.:01:40.

clause is contained, I still can't A teenage boy, whose brother

:01:41.:01:42.

was killed in a Taliban massacre at his school in Peshawar,

:01:43.:01:50.

is now in Birmingham, teaching children about

:01:51.:01:52.

the dangers of extremism. Here's Annita in the BBC Newsroom

:01:53.:01:54.

with a summary of todays news. The UK's counter-terrorism unit

:01:55.:02:12.

says it's making arrests The unit's policing coordinator made

:02:13.:02:16.

the comments this morning - saying six people have now been

:02:17.:02:20.

detained in connection with an anti-terror operation

:02:21.:02:23.

in Willesden, north-west London, during which a woman was shot

:02:24.:02:25.

and injured by police. It happened hours after a man

:02:26.:02:27.

was arrested for allegedly attempting a terror attack

:02:28.:02:29.

near the Houses of Parliament. Officers say the two

:02:30.:02:32.

incidents aren't connected. Given the horrors in London of a few

:02:33.:02:40.

short weeks ago, and may I say our thoughts are still with the victims

:02:41.:02:44.

and survivors of that horrific day, I wanted to reassure the public

:02:45.:02:47.

that this increased level of terrorist activity

:02:48.:02:49.

is being matched by our actions, the police and security

:02:50.:02:51.

services across the country. We are making arrests

:02:52.:02:56.

on a near daily basis I also wanted to pay

:02:57.:02:58.

tribute to the bravery and detective colleagues,

:02:59.:03:03.

doing that work to keep us all safe. Our correspondent, Andy Moore

:03:04.:03:12.

is at Willesden Green. Good morning, is any more detail a

:03:13.:03:23.

margin about what went on? -- detail emerging. We had that update from

:03:24.:03:29.

Scotland Yard. They called it an extraordinary day yesterday, two

:03:30.:03:32.

separate ongoing terror investigations. This house behind me

:03:33.:03:37.

was raided at about 7pm last night. If we just push into the house, it's

:03:38.:03:42.

the one with the satellite dish. You may be able to see in the top

:03:43.:03:46.

right-hand window on the top floor, there is a broken window. We know

:03:47.:03:51.

from police that a CS gas was used here. Police said they had to make

:03:52.:03:56.

an armed entry, which was necessary because of intelligence. We don't

:03:57.:03:59.

know precisely what that intelligence was that this house had

:04:00.:04:03.

been under surveillance for some time. -- but this house. It would

:04:04.:04:08.

have six people had been arrested in connection with this incident. A

:04:09.:04:13.

16-year-old boy was arrested here. A man and a woman both aged 20 and a

:04:14.:04:16.

separate arrest last night of a 43-year-old woman in Kent. Four

:04:17.:04:23.

rests with Europe last night and we heard this morning of an additional

:04:24.:04:27.

two arrests made at this property when two people returned to this

:04:28.:04:34.

address. A man and a woman aged 28. Obviously, the police investigation

:04:35.:04:37.

carrying on here. We understand that there are investigations at linked

:04:38.:04:42.

addresses. We don't know where they are. At other locations in London.

:04:43.:04:48.

The IBC say, the independent watchdog, will be investigating this

:04:49.:04:55.

case -- IPC. When firearms are charged, they investigate. A woman

:04:56.:04:58.

in her 20s is in a serious condition in hospital, under watch by officers

:04:59.:05:02.

but she has not been arrested because of her condition. Andy,

:05:03.:05:03.

thank you. A fund set up to improve patient

:05:04.:05:06.

access to cancer drugs in England has been condemned by researchers

:05:07.:05:09.

as a "huge waste of money". The Cancer Drugs Fund ran from 2010

:05:10.:05:11.

until last year and cost But a new study by King's College

:05:12.:05:14.

London says most of the drugs failed to show clinical benefit,

:05:15.:05:21.

and many patients may have suffered A breast cancer charity has

:05:22.:05:23.

responded, saying the fund A former Royal Marine who shot dead

:05:24.:05:26.

an injured Taliban fighter in Afghanistan has been

:05:27.:05:35.

released from prison. Sergeant Alexander Blackman was

:05:36.:05:36.

originally found guilty of murder. Last month that conviction

:05:37.:05:38.

was quashed and replaced with manslaughter on the grounds

:05:39.:05:40.

of diminished responsibility. Official figures show the economy

:05:41.:05:51.

grew by 0.3% in the first Economists had been

:05:52.:05:54.

expecting a slowdown, but the results are slightly

:05:55.:05:56.

worse than predicted. The Office for National Statistics

:05:57.:05:58.

said rising prices and a fall That's a summary of

:05:59.:06:01.

the latest BBC News. We will keep talking about that huge

:06:02.:06:11.

fight. All eyes will be on Wembley tomorrow

:06:12.:06:29.

evening for what could be another memorable fight for British fight

:06:30.:06:33.

fans and Anthony Joshua takes a step up in class to defend his world

:06:34.:06:38.

title against Dr Steelhammer himself Both characters are really

:06:39.:06:41.

intriguing, there's no malice, Let's speak now to Boxing

:06:42.:06:46.

commentator Ronald McIntosh, who will take us through the action

:06:47.:06:50.

on BBC Radio 5live tomorrow night. You were at the press conference

:06:51.:06:59.

yesterday, what was the mood like of the two fighters? The mood in the

:07:00.:07:01.

press conference at the Sky centre was as it has been throughout the

:07:02.:07:06.

entire build-up, to this contest. Epic heavyweight showdown but both

:07:07.:07:10.

guys very surreal, very professional, very calm, very

:07:11.:07:13.

composed, they know one another very well. Anthony Joshua was hired as a

:07:14.:07:17.

sparring partner by Wladimir Klitschko added his title defence

:07:18.:07:23.

back in 2014. There has almost been an element of Anthony Joshua being

:07:24.:07:32.

expected to be the anointed one, the next one. I don't think they

:07:33.:07:34.

anticipated they would meet Bob Wladimir Klitschko lost the title to

:07:35.:07:36.

Funerary. Heavyweight showdown taking place at Wembley on Sunday.

:07:37.:07:39.

Lots of questions going into this fight, mainly the age of Wladimir

:07:40.:07:43.

Klitschko, how long he has been out of the ring and that perceived

:07:44.:07:47.

inexperience from Anthony Joshua. How will they cope with their

:07:48.:07:52.

respective challenges? That is a classic philosophical conundrum

:07:53.:07:55.

which is more valuable, the energy of youth, the wisdom of experience?

:07:56.:08:02.

Wladimir Klitschko is 41, he has been in boxing, taking into account

:08:03.:08:05.

his glittering amateur career, when he won the Olympics civil

:08:06.:08:10.

heavyweight title in 1996, through to the imperious rain, none and a

:08:11.:08:13.

half year, second rain as a heavyweight champion, he has been in

:08:14.:08:17.

boxing for 27 years -- nine and a half years, his second time as a

:08:18.:08:22.

heavyweight champion. But it could go's boxing experience and the

:08:23.:08:25.

totality of Anthony Joshua's time on earth. Hugely powerful individuals,

:08:26.:08:31.

18 five, 18 winds, 18 knockouts but make no mistake, this is a huge step

:08:32.:08:35.

up. He has faced anybody as remotely as good as bad make it go. We are

:08:36.:08:46.

assuming that it could go is the fighter that he was in the past. If

:08:47.:08:49.

we go on the evidence of his last performance against Tyson Fury, that

:08:50.:08:52.

was an absolute aberration. Was it a significant decline or a one off?

:08:53.:08:55.

The answers will -- the questions will be answered on Saturday night.

:08:56.:08:56.

There's coverage of the fight on Radio 5live with Ron and the team

:08:57.:08:59.

from 9 o'clock tomorrow evening - not to be missed!

:09:00.:09:04.

Writer Poorna Bell had been married to Rob,

:09:05.:09:05.

a successful journalist for three years before he admitted

:09:06.:09:08.

Whilst Rob had been open about his battle with depression,

:09:09.:09:15.

which was often severe, she had no idea that he was using

:09:16.:09:18.

heroin to self-medicate his mental health issues.

:09:19.:09:22.

The pair tried to work through his problems together -

:09:23.:09:24.

Rob joined Narcotics Anonymous and Poorna went to a support

:09:25.:09:27.

But eventually Rob relapsed and on a trip to see relatives

:09:28.:09:32.

in New Zealand he tragically took his own life.

:09:33.:09:36.

After losing her husband, Poorna opened up about their struggles

:09:37.:09:39.

with a blog and in a new book, she describes what it was like to

:09:40.:09:42.

live with a something she kept a secret for many years.

:09:43.:09:51.

He mastered at this by saying it was depression. But I knew there wasn't

:09:52.:09:59.

something quite right, there was something he wasn't telling me that

:10:00.:10:01.

I assumed he wasn't comfortable talking about how he felt. When he

:10:02.:10:07.

told me it was an awful moment but at the same time, I felt I had a bit

:10:08.:10:12.

of my sanity back. Because I actually knew what was going on. Had

:10:13.:10:17.

you literally no idea? No idea. When you are married and you trust the

:10:18.:10:20.

other person implicitly, you just expect them to tell you the truth,

:10:21.:10:25.

you don't think for one minute they might not be telling you the truth.

:10:26.:10:28.

The idea of something like heroin, which is an extreme drug in modern

:10:29.:10:36.

society, so taboo, the idea that the person I loved most in the world,

:10:37.:10:39.

that I trusted most in the world would be using something like that

:10:40.:10:45.

not even periodically, but be an addict, it was absolutely

:10:46.:10:46.

unfathomable. I would never have made that connection if he hadn't

:10:47.:10:51.

have told me. How open was he with you at that point? Once he had told

:10:52.:10:56.

me, everything came out. All of these stories, everything that I

:10:57.:11:01.

thought was one type of a reality, but actually, he then told me the

:11:02.:11:04.

truth about what was going on. He was very open with his feelings and

:11:05.:11:10.

his thoughts immediately afterwards. With addiction it's not as simple as

:11:11.:11:13.

among confessing and they're going to recovery. And then they are keen

:11:14.:11:18.

for the rest of their lives. There were periods of relapse and

:11:19.:11:24.

recovery. Every time he led up to a relapse it would be punctuated by

:11:25.:11:27.

the same kind of behaviour. He wouldn't talk about how he was

:11:28.:11:30.

feeling, be closed off and eventually he was confessing Tammy

:11:31.:11:35.

what was going on. Why did he tell you? I asked him that question. --

:11:36.:11:39.

he was confessing and then tell me. He said he was caught at the right

:11:40.:11:44.

moment. In some measures that is quite worrying because what if I

:11:45.:11:47.

hadn't? What if he hadn't had told me at that point in time? Because we

:11:48.:11:52.

kick-started his recovery almost immediately after that, two days

:11:53.:11:57.

after that. He was just fed up with lying and with having to carry all

:11:58.:12:01.

of that on his own, which is what addiction is. Especially when you

:12:02.:12:04.

can't tell your loved ones about it. Had he been on heroin the whole time

:12:05.:12:08.

you had known him? In other words, you wouldn't have noticed any

:12:09.:12:13.

particular change? No. About 18 months of our relationship, he

:12:14.:12:18.

wasn't. For the first 18 months. I'd definitely, looking back on it

:12:19.:12:21.

retrospectively, I know when his behaviour started changing. But it

:12:22.:12:25.

coincided when I moved into living with him. I just thought maybe this

:12:26.:12:29.

is what it was like when I'm not around. I didn't put two and two

:12:30.:12:37.

together. He was an addict for about three years from that point onwards.

:12:38.:12:40.

I would probably venture maybe three, three and a half, actually.

:12:41.:12:46.

In the book, you talk about tell-tale signs that when you looked

:12:47.:12:51.

back with knowledge, you saw in a different way things like tinfoil,

:12:52.:12:57.

using opt in for quite quickly in the house, which at the time you

:12:58.:13:01.

hadn't thought much about -- using it up quite quickly in the house. In

:13:02.:13:06.

the book, it's quite a comical mind that I throw out there but I was,

:13:07.:13:11.

like, my God, there was no tinfoil for us to grilled chicken on! It's

:13:12.:13:16.

something as mundane as that, sandwiched with something so extreme

:13:17.:13:18.

as the fact that he had been using it to smoke heroin in the toilet. I

:13:19.:13:24.

has to re-evaluate every single thing that I thought I knew. Things

:13:25.:13:28.

like going to the shops Leyton Aspal cigarette -- I has to re-evaluate.

:13:29.:13:33.

Why he may have been late to meet me for something -- shops late at night

:13:34.:13:36.

to buy cigarettes. That was something extremely hard to

:13:37.:13:41.

reconcile. How was he funding it? He wasn't. He got himself into

:13:42.:13:45.

thousands of pounds of debt. He jointly owned a house and use the

:13:46.:13:50.

equity for that to pay of some of his debt. Unfortunately, he got back

:13:51.:13:56.

into debt again. On a side note, it leads you to wonder about people,

:13:57.:13:59.

creditors, having known someone had a problem with debt, are very happy

:14:00.:14:03.

to lend to them again, unfortunately. In terms of actually

:14:04.:14:08.

getting the heroine, coming into contact with the people that you had

:14:09.:14:12.

no idea that your husband was in any sort of contact with? Even though he

:14:13.:14:18.

would tell these people please don't call me, I am trying to recover,

:14:19.:14:22.

every time they would get a new phone they were text him and say, by

:14:23.:14:27.

the way, this is the new number, if you need anything, let me know. He

:14:28.:14:31.

would give me the phone and I would delete the text for him. You

:14:32.:14:38.

discovered all of this and went into firefighting mode? To look after

:14:39.:14:42.

your husband, to try to sort it out. But you didn't tell anybody else,

:14:43.:14:46.

why did you decide to try to manage it on your own. It must have been a

:14:47.:14:52.

huge burden on you? It was an immense burden. But when you go

:14:53.:14:56.

through something fairly traumatic, you have to prioritise what you are

:14:57.:15:03.

going to deal with. But you are not capable of dealing with in your

:15:04.:15:07.

current sphere at the time. When he told me, our world dwindled to a

:15:08.:15:10.

very small point and a small focus in terms of the absolute demerit

:15:11.:15:16.

urgent -- most urgent thing to do was get him in recovery, engaging

:15:17.:15:20.

with services. Making sure I was at home oh on hand to help him with

:15:21.:15:26.

whatever he needed. Beyond that. There was one person I told about

:15:27.:15:32.

it. In my own mind, that point, I knew so very little about addiction.

:15:33.:15:39.

I was not just battling with what Rob was going through, trying to

:15:40.:15:46.

keep him safe and healthy, but I was also struggling with what I thought

:15:47.:15:52.

addiction was, what I had been brought up to believe it was and my

:15:53.:15:57.

own judgments about it. The lying, the behaviours and reconciling some

:15:58.:16:02.

of that. I thought, if I am struggling with it, how will my

:16:03.:16:07.

loved ones feel about it? They know even less. Rob is my husband, my

:16:08.:16:13.

loved one. They do love him as well. It is a different kind of

:16:14.:16:19.

relationship. I was trying to sort through the mass of my own mindful

:16:20.:16:26.

that because I needed Rob to have a stable environment, I just thought

:16:27.:16:31.

the risk was 2- stop if I told them what was going on and the reaction

:16:32.:16:35.

was anything other than, we love you, we are really sorry, I could

:16:36.:16:41.

not deal with it, I could not handle it. I was not ashamed of Rob but I

:16:42.:16:47.

was ashamed of the situation we found ourselves in and the debt we

:16:48.:16:51.

were in and that things had got to this point. I did not know this was

:16:52.:16:56.

happening to someone I was living with. All of that combined meant I

:16:57.:17:02.

could not really speak about it. In society we do not have a very

:17:03.:17:08.

benign, understanding, or intelligent view of what addiction

:17:09.:17:13.

is in society. How could anyone else appreciate it when I did not myself?

:17:14.:17:21.

Prior to being in that situation what was he like? From the beginning

:17:22.:17:30.

and through that time as well? As you would have gathered, he was

:17:31.:17:35.

incredibly complicated. You had the struggles he was going through. He

:17:36.:17:39.

struggled with depression and addiction. He was open about the

:17:40.:17:47.

depression? He was. He was this incredible man, the most intelligent

:17:48.:17:52.

person I had met. He worked as a science journalist but he was a

:17:53.:18:00.

voracious reader. You would always find him reading, whether it was

:18:01.:18:06.

news or books. He had an insane knowledge about nature. It is a

:18:07.:18:13.

thing. You could be walking through a small park, going to a reservoir

:18:14.:18:17.

or woodland, and he would just know what species that tree was or what

:18:18.:18:22.

species that plant was. He would spot birds. He really opened up your

:18:23.:18:31.

knowledge of the environment you were in. Now we look at things and

:18:32.:18:36.

think, I really wish that Rob were around to tell us that. He was

:18:37.:18:41.

incredibly generous and kind. If there were someone stuck in a

:18:42.:18:45.

country who did not know anyone he would find a friend of a friend of a

:18:46.:18:50.

friend who would knows and in that place and connect to say you did not

:18:51.:18:54.

have to have dinner alone. You might want to have a Coffey with them. He

:18:55.:19:01.

had a very big heart. Someone who had so much to give. It must have

:19:02.:19:06.

been so frustrating for you, being up close and seeing the demons that

:19:07.:19:14.

word tormenting him. His capacity to help others was infinite. His

:19:15.:19:18.

capacity to help himself, narrow, aeons narrow. -- aeons narrow. When

:19:19.:19:28.

you try to help him through quickly got to a point where you believed he

:19:29.:19:33.

was sober. He said he was sober and you discovered he was not. What

:19:34.:19:39.

happened at that point? I thought addiction meant when you went into

:19:40.:19:44.

recovery did not touch the drug again, especially feels Boustead, I

:19:45.:19:47.

do not think I can do with it if you continue to use drugs. -- if your

:19:48.:19:55.

spouse said. That is not how addiction works it is not as clean

:19:56.:20:01.

cut as that. If someone relapses, it means the journey is a lot more

:20:02.:20:07.

complicated. When he relapsed, he relapsed three times before he

:20:08.:20:15.

passed away. Each relapse was accompanied by about three weeks of,

:20:16.:20:20.

I don't feel well. Honestly, I am fine. I have not relapsed. This

:20:21.:20:27.

insistence that everything was fine with him. Eventually the breaking

:20:28.:20:32.

point that I would keep asking the questions over and again. He would

:20:33.:20:37.

say, you are right. It was always punctuated with me feeling like I

:20:38.:20:43.

did not know what to believe. You cannot tell them what to do. You

:20:44.:20:47.

cannot force the truth out of them if they are not willing to

:20:48.:20:53.

relinquish it. Not even about the relapse, but about the behaviour

:20:54.:21:02.

around the relapse. It is about not feeling confident enough to come

:21:03.:21:06.

forward with the truth. You got to the point where you decided there

:21:07.:21:14.

should be a three-month separation? Yes. If he gets through six months

:21:15.:21:19.

of recovery, we would try for children. I think he made it as far

:21:20.:21:24.

as about five and a half months. The last few weeks of that he relapsed.

:21:25.:21:29.

There were different circumstances and why that was the case. He was

:21:30.:21:35.

insisting, I am still sober and ready to start trying for a family.

:21:36.:21:40.

When I've figured out he had relapsed, and he confessed, I

:21:41.:21:46.

thought, I cannot really do this. If you were a drug addict continually

:21:47.:21:49.

going through relapse that is thing I could deal with. I could not deal

:21:50.:21:53.

with the lying. The children added an extra dimensional to it. I just

:21:54.:21:58.

thought, I don't know if we can actually have children. That was a

:21:59.:22:03.

very painful realisation for him as well. Being someone who is extremely

:22:04.:22:07.

compassionate and did want to do the right thing, I think he realised he

:22:08.:22:15.

could not be the kind of father he wanted to be because he would...

:22:16.:22:18.

There would always be the risk he would be subjecting them to his

:22:19.:22:22.

addiction or his depression. With the children, I've just thought, if

:22:23.:22:26.

I continue going down this line with you and you cannot do recovery for

:22:27.:22:30.

yourself because you are scared to lose me, I am going to stop

:22:31.:22:35.

respecting myself in this situation and stop respecting you. I loved him

:22:36.:22:39.

so much I did not want to get to the point where I did not want the best

:22:40.:22:47.

for him or I did not love him. The idea was he was going to go to New

:22:48.:22:51.

Zealand for the period of our separation. At the end of that

:22:52.:22:55.

period we would work out where he was in terms of that recovery and

:22:56.:22:59.

figure out whether or not we could reconcile things. And while he was

:23:00.:23:05.

there you had a particular day where there was a terrible worry. You had

:23:06.:23:12.

had texts from him. We were text doing. We were in regular contact

:23:13.:23:20.

while he was in New Zealand. We did have an exchange. I could not

:23:21.:23:23.

understand the language of what he was saying. It was similar to the

:23:24.:23:29.

language he had used in the past. We should probably talk for one last

:23:30.:23:34.

time. I do not know if I can do this any more. It took on a tone and

:23:35.:23:39.

events unfolded. We could not get hold of him and we could not hear

:23:40.:23:46.

from him. I thought, I bet he will show up and he did not. You talk

:23:47.:23:55.

about the fact he felt a level of responsibility towards him as your

:23:56.:23:58.

husband but the man he loved. You did everything he possibly could to

:23:59.:24:03.

get him through. Sadly he took his own life when he was in New Zealand.

:24:04.:24:09.

How did you learn what had happened? His mother called me. The police

:24:10.:24:13.

found me and his mother called me. That is how I found out. Yes. And

:24:14.:24:23.

then I think I booked a flight. Those 24 hours were a complete blur

:24:24.:24:27.

and I booked a flight and I was pretty much in New Zealand in the

:24:28.:24:34.

space of two days, I think. He had written an e-mail in which he had

:24:35.:24:38.

described how painful it was for him to live because of his depression.

:24:39.:24:42.

He said regardless of whether things are going well or badly, and

:24:43.:24:45.

regardless of my absolutely and amazing wife, he clearly found life

:24:46.:24:53.

very difficult. How did you feel when you knew he had written that

:24:54.:24:57.

down, paying tribute to you but bitter- sweet? It sounds really odd

:24:58.:25:04.

about that note. That note through difficult. It was a note to his

:25:05.:25:08.

doctor and was just explaining very clearly what was in his mind and how

:25:09.:25:15.

hard he had found it. Only about 30% of people leave a suicide note. Even

:25:16.:25:19.

then, people that do, that note could be written in a very

:25:20.:25:25.

particular frame of mind. I think a lot of importance is attributed to

:25:26.:25:30.

it. Actually, a lot of people talk to themselves based on what was left

:25:31.:25:35.

behind on someone post back suicide note. It is not necessarily them. It

:25:36.:25:40.

was written by them when they were in a very particular frame of mind.

:25:41.:25:45.

I don't think people like you and me can necessarily even begin to

:25:46.:25:49.

understand what it must feel to feel like that. When I read his note, it

:25:50.:25:56.

is a weird sense of absolution. I think with suicide, I don't think I

:25:57.:26:01.

know anyone who does not feel like this. Whether you are a spouse or a

:26:02.:26:06.

parent, if there is something you feel you should have done, anything

:26:07.:26:11.

is better than what the outcome ended up being. That puts so much

:26:12.:26:18.

pressure on any individual, even if you are as close to him as I was, or

:26:19.:26:24.

his parents were. You are not responsible for someone else's live.

:26:25.:26:28.

Any more than someone else is responsible for yours. That note an

:26:29.:26:32.

insight into reading him saying something like, I hope that my

:26:33.:26:39.

friends and family would understand that even a day or two feeling like

:26:40.:26:44.

this is utterly unbearable, that they would be able to understand. I

:26:45.:26:49.

think that gives such a startlingly honest insight into how he was

:26:50.:26:55.

feeling. We have this idea that suicide is selfish. It means someone

:26:56.:27:00.

does not care about you. That is not true. He cared about all of us. He

:27:01.:27:06.

loved all of us. Other people are out there, who have taken their own

:27:07.:27:14.

lives. They have not done it to spite someone. They have people they

:27:15.:27:17.

love and have left behind. It is not about that. Being able to understand

:27:18.:27:21.

that liberates you from the idea that you are responsible for them.

:27:22.:27:26.

Now, if you're feeling emotionally distressed and would like details

:27:27.:27:29.

of organisations which offer advice and support, go online

:27:30.:27:31.

to bbc.co.uk/actionline or you can call for free,

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Police say they've foiled an active terrorist plot after carrying out

:27:52.:27:57.

A female suspect was shot during the operation

:27:58.:28:01.

and is in a serious but stable condition in hospital.

:28:02.:28:03.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating.

:28:04.:28:07.

It happened hours after a man was arrested for allegedly

:28:08.:28:09.

attempting a terror attack near the Houses of Parliament.

:28:10.:28:14.

A study has concluded that a special cancer fund set up to give patients

:28:15.:28:17.

in England access to expensive drugs was a waste of money.

:28:18.:28:20.

The Cancer Drugs Fund ran from 2010 until last year and cost

:28:21.:28:27.

The study, by King's College London, says most of the drugs failed

:28:28.:28:31.

The former Royal Marine Alexander Blackman -

:28:32.:28:43.

whose murder conviction for killing a Taliban fighter

:28:44.:28:45.

in Afghanistan was quashed - has been released from prison.

:28:46.:28:48.

Sergeant Blackman - known as "Marine A" -

:28:49.:28:50.

during the case - had his conviction reduced to manslaughter

:28:51.:28:52.

He has served more than three years of a seven-year sentence.

:28:53.:28:56.

The general election will be a tipping point for education,

:28:57.:28:59.

according to headteachers who warn the stability

:29:00.:29:01.

A survey by the National Assocation of Headteachers found that nearly

:29:02.:29:06.

three-quarters of heads say their budget will be

:29:07.:29:09.

It comes as economists predict it would cost ?2 billion to freeze

:29:10.:29:15.

school funding in real terms over the next five years.

:29:16.:29:17.

The Department for Education says school funding is at record levels.

:29:18.:29:20.

That's a summary of the latest news, join me for BBC

:29:21.:29:22.

Now for the sport. It was all about the race for the fourth and final

:29:23.:29:37.

Champions League spot last night in the Manchester derby. The match did

:29:38.:29:42.

not live up to expectation. A moment of madness was the talking point

:29:43.:29:47.

when Marouane Fellaini were sent off for head-butting Sergio Aguero. He

:29:48.:29:51.

had already been booked for another foul on the Argentine forward. That

:29:52.:29:57.

means city and United stay fourth and fifth in the table. Third spot

:29:58.:30:04.

is still possible for Arsenal. They have a big North London derby

:30:05.:30:08.

against second-place spurs on Sunday. Anthony Joshua says he will

:30:09.:30:14.

not be affected by Wladimir Klitschko's mind games. He says he

:30:15.:30:20.

has made a video prediction but will not reveal what is on it. Joshua

:30:21.:30:24.

says he has heard it all before. The first day of the toured of

:30:25.:30:34.

Yorkshire. The men's defending champion will be there. More at 11

:30:35.:30:37.

o'clock. You may remember earlier this year

:30:38.:30:39.

we told you about a new trend for developers to sell new homes

:30:40.:30:42.

as leasehold, rather than freehold, and then sell off the freehold,

:30:43.:30:45.

that's the ground the property is on, to investment

:30:46.:30:48.

companies meaning higher One of these charges is ground rent

:30:49.:30:50.

and some home owners have found this They say it's an unfair cost

:30:51.:30:56.

and also makes it difficult for them Now, one of the home builders

:30:57.:31:01.

in our film, Taylor Wimpey, has set aside a fund of ?130 million

:31:02.:31:05.

to help reduce these costs. It applies to customers who bought

:31:06.:31:09.

homes between 2007 and 2011, the developer refuses to say how

:31:10.:31:11.

many people are affected. Other developers also took

:31:12.:31:15.

part in the practice, and the move by Taylor Wimpey

:31:16.:31:17.

is being seen as the first recognition by a housebuilder

:31:18.:31:20.

that the practise was wrong. Here's a reminder of our film

:31:21.:31:22.

with James Longman. Luke bought his flat three

:31:23.:31:32.

years ago for ?150,000. He'd fallen in love with this

:31:33.:31:34.

Victorian building in Little did he know he had

:31:35.:31:36.

also fallen victim to a growing trend for clauses that

:31:37.:31:40.

hike up ground rent. That's the yearly fee

:31:41.:31:48.

a leaseholder pays to live on a Luke thought he'd pay ?250

:31:49.:31:51.

a year, which is roughly But six months after he moved

:31:52.:31:54.

in, he got a bill for A small, but important

:31:55.:31:58.

clause had been written into his contract by his freeholder

:31:59.:32:01.

potentially designed to be On the face of it, it

:32:02.:32:03.

just seems immoral and And you read the contract

:32:04.:32:12.

as much as you... Certainly after I realised and it

:32:13.:32:15.

did not matter how many times I read the one paragraph in which this

:32:16.:32:21.

clause is contained, I still can't "The tenant shall be required

:32:22.:32:24.

to pay such annual rent as shall be two thirds less than two

:32:25.:32:36.

thirds of the rentable That's the key bit.

:32:37.:32:39.

No idea what that means at all. He's certainly not

:32:40.:32:43.

the only person to do this but we have been

:32:44.:32:47.

told about at least 20 He's even been criticised

:32:48.:32:49.

in Parliament. One crook, whether it's

:32:50.:32:52.

criminal or not is not Luke's solicitor had to pay

:32:53.:32:55.

Martin Payne ?7,000 to remove the clause, but it

:32:56.:33:02.

did not end there. Luke was left with

:33:03.:33:04.

a doubling clause, something that has

:33:05.:33:06.

become increasingly It states ground rent is ?250

:33:07.:33:07.

a year, backdated to 1990. Which does not sound too bad,

:33:08.:33:19.

but it also says that that figure So by 2020 he'd be paying ?2,000

:33:20.:33:23.

a year, and it keeps doubling. By 2070 he'd be paying ?64,000

:33:24.:33:30.

a year and by the end of the 190 year lease there'd be over

:33:31.:33:33.

?65 million every year In total, over the course

:33:34.:33:35.

of the lease, ground rent would have cost more than ?1.3 billion

:33:36.:33:49.

on a flat costing just ?150,000. What's your feeling

:33:50.:33:52.

towards Martin Payne now? He's caused me quite

:33:53.:33:57.

a lot of stress. I don't deal with him directly

:33:58.:34:02.

because everything goes through my solicitor, but I'm very

:34:03.:34:06.

aware that this clause was inserted into the contract when they extended

:34:07.:34:10.

the lease for no other reason There'd be no reason

:34:11.:34:13.

he needs to do this. It is clearly

:34:14.:34:18.

constructed to deceive. What we say to all members

:34:19.:34:21.

of the conveyancing association is, make sure that if you are advising

:34:22.:34:24.

client on these clauses, because they can be so tricky,

:34:25.:34:27.

that you run the calculation and that you are entirely sure

:34:28.:34:31.

as to what that calculation is, and that you are entirely sure

:34:32.:34:34.

as to what that calculation is. Because when you sit down with that

:34:35.:34:39.

and spend some time looking at it, it becomes clear that this is just

:34:40.:34:42.

an attempt to dupe people What we have seen in a lot of these

:34:43.:34:45.

leases and contracts If you think what doubling the rent

:34:46.:34:51.

every ten years actually means in investment terms,

:34:52.:35:02.

it means that the rent will be going up by 7% a year,

:35:03.:35:04.

a guaranteed 7% return is pretty And so this is what has created

:35:05.:35:07.

these new investment vehicles that are so interesting to,

:35:08.:35:17.

say, pension funds and other People like Luke freely enter

:35:18.:35:19.

into these contracts The allegation is not that

:35:20.:35:32.

Martin Payne expects people to pay these ridiculous sums,

:35:33.:35:38.

it's that he's banking on solicitors to miss the clauses

:35:39.:35:39.

and pay him to remove them. Let's talk to Joanne Darbyshire,

:35:40.:35:42.

who is a leaseholder who bought her home from Taylor Wimpey and then

:35:43.:36:13.

discovered that her ground rent We're also joined by

:36:14.:36:16.

Sebastian O'Kelly from Leasehold Knowledge Partnership,

:36:17.:36:22.

who has been campaigning And Sir Peter Bottomley,

:36:23.:36:24.

a Conservative MP and chairman of the cross-party MPs' group

:36:25.:36:27.

on leaseholder reform. Bringing it up in the Commons next

:36:28.:36:37.

week. Thank you all for joining us. Taylor Wimpey putting aside ?130

:36:38.:36:42.

million, what is the money for? And how significant is it? It's a very

:36:43.:36:48.

good question. If a significant sign of contrition, something went very

:36:49.:36:53.

seriously wrong, here. But what is the money for? With leasehold house

:36:54.:36:56.

owners, we would like to see them using the money to offer the

:36:57.:36:59.

freehold back to the original buyers at the price that was originally

:37:00.:37:04.

offered. Unfortunately Taylor Wimpey sold these freeholds off to some of

:37:05.:37:07.

the most hard-nosed sharks in the property game. How they get them off

:37:08.:37:12.

them is an open question. With flat owners, there will have to be a deal

:37:13.:37:15.

of variation to reduce the ground rents. I would suggest they reduce

:37:16.:37:20.

it to zero, what is ground rent for? It goes straight into the pockets...

:37:21.:37:24.

T.I.N.A. Of the freeholders for no service whatsoever. -- straight into

:37:25.:37:30.

the hands of freeholders. Joanna, you bought a leasehold flat with a

:37:31.:37:33.

doubling ground red arrangement, when did it become clear to you that

:37:34.:37:38.

the ground rent would double? -- ground rent. It was clear but we

:37:39.:37:42.

always intended to buy the freehold. At the point of sale we were told it

:37:43.:37:47.

would be about ?5,000 - ?6,000. Neither Taylor Wimpey nor the

:37:48.:37:51.

conveyancing solicitor that they recommended we use informed us that

:37:52.:37:56.

there was freeholds would be sold on to investment companies who would

:37:57.:38:00.

then want thousands and thousands of pounds to buy them. The situation

:38:01.:38:08.

you find yourself in now is what? It's more on clear after yesterday

:38:09.:38:12.

but it's fair to say that had we purchased the freehold from Taylor

:38:13.:38:16.

Wimpey when we bought a house in December 2010, we would have paid

:38:17.:38:21.

them just less than ?6,000 for it. Our best option now is to use a

:38:22.:38:25.

process called enfranchisement to agree a fair price with the current

:38:26.:38:30.

freeholder. That's likely to be anything in the region from ?11,000

:38:31.:38:36.

- ?26,000 plus costs. You know someone who actually tried to sell

:38:37.:38:39.

their house and that sale fell through because of the situation

:38:40.:38:42.

with the ground rents, tell us what happened. That was one of my

:38:43.:38:47.

neighbours, Claire. The house sale fell through on the actual day and

:38:48.:38:50.

she had already completed on her new property and the house sale fell

:38:51.:38:56.

through because the purchaser' solicitors identified the doubling

:38:57.:38:59.

ground red claws and advised them to pull out of the sale. Sir Peter

:39:00.:39:05.

Bottomley, it is an issue you are bringing up in the Commons. What can

:39:06.:39:09.

be done to control what is going on here? First of all, we need to

:39:10.:39:16.

distinguish between the Martin Payne character and the developers

:39:17.:39:19.

including Taylor Wimpey. I welcome Taylor Wimpey doing something about

:39:20.:39:23.

this. The modern painting I will return to some other time, probably

:39:24.:39:28.

in Parliament. The pension fund to invest in the freehold companies,

:39:29.:39:31.

the Adriatic saw this world, we need to say to them, don't act in a

:39:32.:39:35.

socially irresponsible and corporately irresponsible way, we

:39:36.:39:39.

don't want it. The people who are active in the freehold companies

:39:40.:39:42.

like Adriatic ought to say how on earth can we multiply the value of

:39:43.:39:46.

the freeholds we bought at SA 5000 up to 40000 and then try to in screw

:39:47.:39:53.

ordinary it leasehold is -- up to 5000. The government needs to act.

:39:54.:39:58.

The lawyers need to confess to all the mistakes they have made. And we

:39:59.:40:02.

need to abolish new leasehold and the want of commonhold so none of

:40:03.:40:05.

this can happen either by accident or design. It has been a total mess,

:40:06.:40:13.

a swamp. The metaphors fail me. Or very people having their life

:40:14.:40:16.

savings taken away by unfair and abusive terms -- it is ordinary

:40:17.:40:20.

people having their life savings. Is the only way to get everybody to act

:40:21.:40:27.

correctly to legislate? Legislation will help to make commonhold better

:40:28.:40:31.

than leasehold. But some of the other abuses, the competition market

:40:32.:40:34.

authority ought to look at some of these terms on a super complaint,

:40:35.:40:38.

perhaps from the consumers Association and avoid them because

:40:39.:40:41.

they are abusive. Anyone who thinks you can get to a ground rent of tens

:40:42.:40:46.

of thousands of pounds let alone ?1 million on a small flat needs to

:40:47.:40:49.

realise that what is being done is so wrong, whether criminal or not,

:40:50.:40:54.

it should be unenforceable, it is unfair. What would you say to

:40:55.:41:00.

somebody, don't pay the ground rent? No, you've got to bed the ground

:41:01.:41:03.

rent otherwise you are evicted. Other people around in the leasehold

:41:04.:41:10.

forest to mix metaphors again who I'm evicting, trying to evict some

:41:11.:41:12.

of my constituents through other little stratagems. For not paying

:41:13.:41:14.

ground rent? It's too conjugated to explain. It

:41:15.:41:27.

is a park home issue. -- it is too complicated. You don't want to get

:41:28.:41:30.

evicted but you need to say to people come and defend in public

:41:31.:41:34.

what you are doing. Taylor with the got involved in public discussion

:41:35.:41:37.

and they have made their decision and I hope their directors are glad

:41:38.:41:41.

that I intervenes -- Taylor Wimpey got involved. Bell we haven't. A

:41:42.:41:46.

number of other companies need to do what they are doing. --

:41:47.:41:49.

. Taylor Wimpey haven't completely solve the problem. Sebastian Coe

:41:50.:41:57.

Kelly has explained it. Sebastian Coe Kelly and Martin Boyd together

:41:58.:42:00.

at the charity leasehold knowledge partnership have done more than 650

:42:01.:42:06.

MPs and more than 45 governments. It is a nonparty issue and we need to

:42:07.:42:09.

work together to solve it. It is no doubt a subject we will return to.

:42:10.:42:12.

Thank you very much. We asked Taylor Wimpey to come

:42:13.:42:16.

on the programme, they declined. In a statement, the Chief

:42:17.:42:19.

Executive Pete Redfern said: "We've listened to the concerns

:42:20.:42:26.

and difficulties that some of our customers have faced

:42:27.:42:28.

as a result of their doubling lease We are sorry for the worry

:42:29.:42:31.

this has caused them." And they go on to say: "We have

:42:32.:42:35.

recently decided that all future sales of Taylor Wimpey houses

:42:36.:42:38.

on new developments commencing from 1 January 2017 will be

:42:39.:42:40.

on a freehold basis - except where we don't

:42:41.:42:43.

own the freehold." Our next report contains some

:42:44.:42:46.

graphic descriptions and pictures that you may not want

:42:47.:42:49.

your children to see. December 2014 changed

:42:50.:42:52.

the life of one young Ahmad Nawaz went to school as he did

:42:53.:42:59.

every day with his brother Harris in Peshawar in Pakistan and whilst

:43:00.:43:05.

he was practicing first aid with his class friends, the Taliban

:43:06.:43:10.

entered his school and murdered 141 people, 132 of which where children

:43:11.:43:16.

including his brother. Today, Ahmad who now

:43:17.:43:21.

lives in Birmingham has started a education campaign to help

:43:22.:43:23.

steer some school children away from a life of violence

:43:24.:43:25.

and radicalisation. Our reporter Emb Hashmi has been

:43:26.:43:27.

to look at his anti-extremism work. It started as a normal school day

:43:28.:43:38.

but it turned into a massacre. Many students are the children

:43:39.:43:41.

of the Pakistani military. A normal schoolboy's

:43:42.:43:44.

life is changed for ever The Army Public Schools

:43:45.:43:46.

in Peshawar in Pakistan was attacked by the Taliban,

:43:47.:43:51.

killing 141 people, 132 of Ahmad is one of the survivors

:43:52.:43:54.

and came to Birmingham for He now uses his experience

:43:55.:44:00.

as a tool to educate students in the UK and deter some

:44:01.:44:03.

from being radicalised. I have no words to

:44:04.:44:10.

explain that moment. I really felt upset and shocking,

:44:11.:44:14.

because he lost his brother. He thinks that the best

:44:15.:44:17.

method to challenge an ideology is through

:44:18.:44:24.

people to be educated. My name is Ahmad Nawaz

:44:25.:44:37.

and I'm 16 years old. Ahmed now speaks at

:44:38.:44:47.

a variety of schools up and down the country to help

:44:48.:44:50.

young people steer away from a life Today, he is speaking

:44:51.:44:54.

at Rockwood Academy, formerly known as Park View School

:44:55.:45:01.

in Birmingham, that was part of the Trojan Horse inquiry

:45:02.:45:03.

where it was claimed a group of conservative Muslims

:45:04.:45:06.

were taking over a number I have lost my younger brother

:45:07.:45:08.

and 132 friends in an attack I have no words to

:45:09.:45:15.

describe the experience I have no words to

:45:16.:45:30.

describe the experience I was in first aid training

:45:31.:45:47.

with my schoolmates. Those happy moments of

:45:48.:45:51.

laughing, joking and talking A group of men with

:45:52.:45:53.

guns and bombs in their hands entered our school and

:45:54.:45:57.

started firing, one after another. It was the most astonishing moment

:45:58.:46:00.

of my life because I always thought that school is a safe place,

:46:01.:46:04.

not a place where children would be All I could see was blood

:46:05.:46:07.

and killing and soon I I was laying on the ground,

:46:08.:46:14.

bleeding heavily. I was surrounded by the dead bodies

:46:15.:46:28.

of my dearest friends with whom I was laughing and talking

:46:29.:46:31.

and joking a few minutes ago. Bombing and firing did

:46:32.:46:35.

not stop for long and I thought I could be

:46:36.:46:37.

the next one to be killed. I saw my teacher burned alive

:46:38.:46:40.

but I couldn't help her because my wounds did

:46:41.:46:43.

not let me help her. The terrorists were merciless,

:46:44.:46:45.

they would shoot children My school uniform was red

:46:46.:46:47.

in blood so I pretended to be dead so the terrorists did not

:46:48.:46:53.

notice I was alive, otherwise they Two hours later,

:46:54.:46:56.

the rescuers came and threw me into an ambulance

:46:57.:47:08.

full of dead bodies. This gave me hope

:47:09.:47:13.

that I may survive. In that tragic situation,

:47:14.:47:18.

I had forgotten about my After 15 days, I found out

:47:19.:47:20.

from my friend that Harris I have decided not to be

:47:21.:47:26.

afraid and step back. I will continue to speak

:47:27.:47:35.

and share mine and my friends' stories,

:47:36.:47:37.

to tell the world that the future generation of this world

:47:38.:47:39.

can only have a better My survival in that

:47:40.:47:42.

massacre is a miracle. That's why I have

:47:43.:47:46.

started a campaign. I want to continue

:47:47.:47:48.

spreading this great I want to say this

:47:49.:47:50.

to those students who are inspired by the terrorist

:47:51.:47:55.

ideologies and are running towards different countries

:47:56.:47:58.

like Syria and Iraq. They are not the right people

:47:59.:48:01.

and they do not belong to I'm a proud Muslim

:48:02.:48:07.

and a humanitarian. I know that Islam doesn't teach

:48:08.:48:12.

us about brutality, it In fact, no religion

:48:13.:48:15.

teaches about brutality He's a survivor of an attack

:48:16.:48:20.

in his home country of Pakistan. Donna from the Anne Frank Trust

:48:21.:48:27.

helps Ahmad get his message He's been in to excess of ten

:48:28.:48:31.

schools just with me. Probably at each reception having

:48:32.:48:38.

400 pupils, seeing him speak He's been brave and courageous as

:48:39.:48:41.

he's able to speak in front of all these people and tell them

:48:42.:48:53.

what he's been through. The people of Lockwood learned that

:48:54.:48:57.

you should appreciate your education here because,

:48:58.:48:59.

if you don't appreciate it, you should think about the people

:49:00.:49:02.

of Pakistan Nelson Mandela said

:49:03.:49:04.

education is the most powerful weapon you can use

:49:05.:49:07.

to change the world. One thing that helps Ahmad

:49:08.:49:14.

focus on his education campaign is remembering the happier

:49:15.:49:20.

times with his brother, Harris, That's my birthday,

:49:21.:49:25.

my dad was giving me The scars of the 16th

:49:26.:49:31.

of December 2014 I have no words to

:49:32.:49:44.

explain that moment. It is a very bad

:49:45.:49:52.

incident and we can't... We want to get off

:49:53.:49:59.

this but we can't. This was specially sent

:50:00.:50:04.

by Theresa May's office, When we can educate them, we can

:50:05.:50:07.

finish the ideology of terrorism. I want this message to be spread

:50:08.:50:15.

throughout the world, as much as I I think I have stopped students

:50:16.:50:19.

from being radicalised and going towards these

:50:20.:50:24.

terrorist activities. I am proud of myself,

:50:25.:50:30.

as I did that by going to schools and

:50:31.:50:34.

talking to children. I think this is a great

:50:35.:50:36.

success for me. I dream of peace, safety

:50:37.:50:42.

and education for every child. I dream no child has

:50:43.:50:45.

feel of being killed I dream of love, peace

:50:46.:50:49.

and harmony in this world. The general election

:50:50.:51:07.

didn't just take the media So some of them are finding

:51:08.:51:09.

new ways to raise money, There've been plenty of scandals

:51:10.:51:17.

in recent years involving politicians and the people

:51:18.:51:21.

they receive money from, so could this be a new way

:51:22.:51:25.

of funding politics, and reducing the influence

:51:26.:51:28.

of big money? Let's talk now to Paul Hilder,

:51:29.:51:32.

founder of a "political matchmaker" website which lets you fund causes

:51:33.:51:34.

close to your heart And joining us is John Mills,

:51:35.:51:37.

a more traditional sort of donor, he gave almost ?2 million

:51:38.:51:40.

to the Labour Party. Bess Mayhew is crowdfunding

:51:41.:51:43.

what she says is a new generation of MPs to fight for a more united

:51:44.:51:45.

Britain. We are joined by all of them now.

:51:46.:52:02.

How many people are actually getting involved in this way? How much

:52:03.:52:07.

activity are you seeing on your sites? We have tens of thousands of

:52:08.:52:10.

people using our site every day to try to find the candidate or party

:52:11.:52:14.

closest to them because you have never had a more volatile moment.

:52:15.:52:19.

Dozens of candidates who are either live crowdfunding on the platform

:52:20.:52:23.

now or talking to us about getting their pages up fast. Dozens of

:52:24.:52:28.

candidates coming forward. Still quite small in terms of the overall

:52:29.:52:36.

picture? Still quite small. The election was only called ten days

:52:37.:52:41.

ago. People have been opening their offices. We have 80,000 supporters

:52:42.:52:48.

so far and have raised a huge chunk of money. It puts us to the top

:52:49.:52:52.

three donors in the hole politics in the UK. That is incredible for those

:52:53.:52:57.

80,000 supporters are going to be selecting candidates we think agree

:52:58.:53:01.

with our values regardless of the party they are from but it is giving

:53:02.:53:05.

people a way to influence politics or do not currently have without

:53:06.:53:10.

having to go through a party route. It is about good people getting into

:53:11.:53:14.

Parliament regardless of the party they are from. You are a traditional

:53:15.:53:20.

kind of donor. You opened your cheque book and wrote a hefty cheque

:53:21.:53:23.

to the Labour Party. What do you think about this way of funding?

:53:24.:53:28.

Whether it will produce enough extra funds to pay the wake of -- pave the

:53:29.:53:35.

way politics is paid for is a question. Last summer I was involved

:53:36.:53:43.

with the campaign in connection with the Brexit vote. We raised about 10%

:53:44.:53:49.

of the total funds deployed out of crowdfunding. It is not enough to

:53:50.:53:55.

change the world. When you look at the United States, which is several

:53:56.:53:59.

steps ahead of us, Bernie Sanders raised $200 million from individual

:54:00.:54:06.

donations. Do think it will go that way here? Or are we not used to it

:54:07.:54:13.

and it will take time to change? We are less used to it than them. I

:54:14.:54:18.

spent time with the Bernie campaign. They raised all their money through

:54:19.:54:24.

small donations he could not have been competitive had that not

:54:25.:54:29.

happened. Trump raised a greater source of his donations from smaller

:54:30.:54:37.

sources than Obama did. We saw the doctor declared against a Republican

:54:38.:54:44.

congressman and she raised half $1 million in two weeks. Then

:54:45.:54:47.

Republican congressmen announced he was standing down. What does this do

:54:48.:54:50.

in terms of empowering people who might not traditionally be going

:54:51.:54:56.

into politics? It is significant. From a more united point of view, we

:54:57.:55:00.

are about people and not parties. We are about getting the best people

:55:01.:55:05.

elected to Parliament, regardless of what party they are from. Most

:55:06.:55:11.

people are turned off by the party system and do not want to sign up

:55:12.:55:16.

lock, stock and barrel will stop if you are told a candidate might be a

:55:17.:55:21.

good person to elect a connection they are electing people who agree

:55:22.:55:25.

with their values rather than putting everything behind one party.

:55:26.:55:29.

People are crying out for something to get involved. They need to be

:55:30.:55:36.

given that confidence that they feel comfortable doing so. Overall, is it

:55:37.:55:41.

a good thing for politics if it does work? I think it does. There has

:55:42.:55:46.

always been huge controversy about how politics should be funded. There

:55:47.:55:51.

are various different ways. You can have donors and parties funded out

:55:52.:55:55.

of taxation, or you can go for things like crowdfunding. There are

:55:56.:56:01.

disadvantages with all of these. There is a lot of logic in a way

:56:02.:56:06.

about having parties funded partly by taxation. There is a huge amount

:56:07.:56:10.

of opposition to this. I'm not sure it will happen. Why did you decide

:56:11.:56:15.

to give a large sum of money to a political party? People think, is it

:56:16.:56:20.

for influence, for prestige? What is it? I have been involved with the

:56:21.:56:25.

Labour Party for years and years. I have been lucky enough to build up a

:56:26.:56:29.

business that has been successful. I thought that was a way to pay back

:56:30.:56:34.

some of the debts built up over the years. Possibly to gain influence.

:56:35.:56:48.

It was relatively Netherlands. A lot of big donors do have benevolent

:56:49.:56:56.

principles. -- benevolence. Labour is partly funded by its membership,

:56:57.:57:01.

which is good, but also by the unions. The Conservative Party

:57:02.:57:04.

historically over the past five years has primarily been funded by

:57:05.:57:08.

hedge fund is. I think it is possible to make the case that a lot

:57:09.:57:14.

of the existing institutions in politics and the parties are

:57:15.:57:17.

slightly rotting and slightly broken in terms of how they operate. What

:57:18.:57:23.

we are trying to do is to provide an open platform where you can do it in

:57:24.:57:27.

a different way. One thing you can do is nominate anybody you think

:57:28.:57:33.

should have a particular office. If you want them to be your local

:57:34.:57:37.

Labour MP, though Ukip MP, or whatever. You can nominate them on

:57:38.:57:42.

our side and start gathering pledges of support for them before they have

:57:43.:57:48.

agreed to be a candidate. What crowdfunding lets you do is replace

:57:49.:57:52.

that big money with little money. My ?5 quite your ?10, it all adds up

:57:53.:57:56.

together for them if enough people do it they can start to make a

:57:57.:58:00.

difference. I agree with that. It does balance things out a bit. That

:58:01.:58:06.

is a very helpful development. It'll be interesting to see where it goes.

:58:07.:58:09.

Coming up in around an hour on the BBC News Channel...

:58:10.:58:13.

We'll be putting your questions to the Ukip leader Paul Nuttall.

:58:14.:58:15.

You can get in touch via Twitter using the hashtag BBC Ask This

:58:16.:58:18.

or text your questions to 61124 and you can email us as well

:58:19.:58:22.

I will see very soon. Have a lovely weekend. Goodbye.

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