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Hello.

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It's Friday.

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It's 9 o'clock.

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I'm Chloe Tilley.

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Welcome to the programme.

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The last of the so-called Beatles -

the British men fighting

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with Isis forces in Syria -

have been captured.

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They are said to have

tortured and murdered more

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than 20 hostages.

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We'll be hearing from a French

journalistm who was held

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hostage for ten months.

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Protecting our children's

mental health.

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Nearly half of head teachers

surveyed say they're struggling

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to get proper support

for their pupils.

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We'll hear from a head

as well as a mum who says support

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has been vital for her daughter.

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DRAMATIC MUSIC

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Woo - let's go!

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And Marvel's latest film -

Black Panther - is one

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of the most anticipated comic

adaptations of all time.

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We find out why this film

is so important and hear

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about the reception it got at last

night's UK premiere.

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Hello.

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Welcome to the programme.

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We're live until 11 this morning.

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We're going to be talking

about children's mental

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health this morning.

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Does your child suffer

and are they getting

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the help they need?

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Or maybe you didn't get the help

you needed when you were at school.

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What effect has this had?

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Are you a school counsellor?

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Do you have enough resources

to do your job properly?

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Do get in touch on this

and all the stories we're talking

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about this morning.

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Use the hashtag Victoria LIVE.

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And if you text, you will be charged

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Our top story today...

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Two British extremists,

believed to be members

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of one of the so-called

Islamic State group's

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most notorious cells,

have been captured by Syrian Kurdish

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fighters in Syria,

according to US officials.

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They are accused of being part

of a unit which executed 27 Western

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hostages and tortured many more.

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Andy Moore reports.

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Alexanda Kotey and

El Shafee Elsheikh -

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the two Britons captured by Kurdish

forces last month and

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questioned by the Americans.

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Together with Aine Davis

and Mohammed Emwazi,

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they formed the kidnap gang that

became known as the Beatles,

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because they were usually masked

and their captors could hear

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only their British accents.

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Alan Henning was one of to dozen

foreign hostages they held captive

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and then executed.

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Last year, the American State

Department designated Kotey

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and Elsheikh as wanted terrorists

who had fought for Islamic State.

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Kotey was born in

Paddington in London.

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He was of Ghanaian and

Greek Cypriot background.

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The citation said he used

exceptionally cruel torture methods,

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including electronic

shock and waterboarding.

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Elsheikh's family had

fled Sudan in the 1990s.

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He became a British citizen.

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According to the State Department,

he'd earned a reputation

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for waterboarding, mock

executions and crucifixions.

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The two men were captured

by the American-backed

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Syrian Democratic Forces,

a Kurdish-led militia.

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The fate of the two men is unknown.

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They could be sent to the US

detention centre at Guantanamo Bay

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or they could stand trial

in the States.

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The Foreign Office in the UK said it

would not comment on individual

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cases or ongoing investigations.

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Andy Moore, BBC News.

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Our Middle East correspondent is in

Beirut for us now. Martin, what we

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know about these two men?

I think

this is hugely significant festival.

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The fact is they were high-level

members of the so-called Islamic

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State. According to reports they

were captured in eastern Syria. That

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is the stomach state stronghold in

eastern Syria as well as Iraq. They

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were caught last month by the

Kurdish forces. -- Islamic State.

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They were flagged up to the

Americans because they believed they

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were foreigners. Using biometric

data and fingerprints, the Americans

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said they identified these two men

as the British meant that had been

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revealed to them.

What do we know

about so-called Islamic State? The

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caliphate has collapsed but what

state are they in?

This is an

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organisation on the run. They have

lost most of the territory, or all

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of the territory, the ones

controlled in eastern Syria or Iraq.

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This group terrorised areas in the

Middle East as well as carrying out

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attacks in Europe and America. The

fact these two men have been

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captured is significant and will

provide comfort to the family of the

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hostages who were executed on this

unit. There are some suggestions

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that these two men could, perhaps,

according to one report, they could

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perhaps provide details as to where

some of the captors were actually

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held.

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Now to the BBC newsroom and the rest

of the day post Mac news. The Senate

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failed to vote on a budget deal

before midnight deadline after a

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Republican senator demanded a

last-minute amendment. For the

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temporary shutdown to end the deal

must be passed in both the Senate

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and the House of Representatives and

then signed by president. Let's go

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to our CBS correspondent in New

York. How long can the shutdown

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last?

Good morning from New York.

That is a great question. There is a

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procedural vote going on right now

in the house. Nancy Pelosi just

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spoke about waiting to make a

procedural vote. The Government is

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shutdown, even though a new budget

deal made its way through the Senate

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this morning. The bill is now in the

House. At about 2am the Senate

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approved a budget deal but not in

time to avoid the second government

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shutdown this year. That deadline

was midnight. Late last night the

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Republican senator repeatedly

objected to calls for a vote before

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1am for the he did so to protest

what he called runaway government

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spending.

Thank you very much

indeed.

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There are just hours to go

until the Opening Ceremony

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of the Winter Olympics in South

Korea.

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The sister of the North Korean

leader has become the first member

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of her family to visit the South

since the Korean War.

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For the second time in a week, US

stock markets have fallen sharply,

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with the Dow Jones index falling

more than 4 per cent.

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Investors are selling off shares

due to concerns central

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banks are going to raise

interest rates soon.

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Asian and Australia markets

also dropped overnight.

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Researchers at Edinburgh University

have grown human eggs

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in a laboratory for the first time.

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The findings could lead to new ways

of preserving women's fertility .

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Here's our Health and Science

Correspondent, James Gallagher.

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In laboratories in Edinburgh,

scientists have grown human eggs.

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They've taken immature eggs women

are born with and transformed them

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so they are ready to be fertilised.

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It's taken decades of work to copy

what happens inside women's ovaries.

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We never imagined that we would be

getting these kind of results

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using human tissue.

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So it's a significant step, but,

of course, the main objective for us

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is to improve and to determine

the safety of these techniques,

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so that they could, in the future,

go into some kind of application.

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It could be used to help young girls

with cancer, as treatment can

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damage their fertility.

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So how might it work?

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A girl diagnosed with cancer

would have a sample of her ovary

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frozen before cancer treatment.

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Then later, as an adult,

the tissue would be defrosted,

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an egg grown, fertilised,

and then put in the womb.

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There may even be other applications

in fertility treatment, but this

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technology is still at a very early

stage and needs refining.

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None of the eggs have been

fertilised, so it's still uncertain

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how viable they are.

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James Gallagher, BBC News.

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There are calls for schools

to receive more funding

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and counsellors after new research

shows many schools are struggling

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to support pupils with

mental health issues -

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because teachers don't know

what type of help children need.

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Figures show 50% of adult

mental health problems

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start at the age of 14 -

and the charity Place 2 Be -

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which is behind the findings -

says that early intervention is key.

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More on this coming up

in the programme...

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There's a warning that some patients

in England and Wales being treated

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for hip fractures are having

to wait up to 80 days

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to see a physiotherapist.

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The Chartered Society

of Physiotherapy says

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the average wait is 15 days,

but there are unacceptable

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variations in care.

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Hip fractures affect one in three

women over the age of 50.

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Trinity Mirror has announced a £127

million deal to buy the Express and

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Star newspapers, as well as OK

magazine. The company says the

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combined group will be able to save

money by sharing content and

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reducing duplication. The chief

executive said there will be

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changes.

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There will, over time,

be job cuts because we are going

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to remove duplication,

mainly in back office functions.

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We're bringing two very similar

businesses together,

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and when you do that,

inevitably there's

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a certain of duplication.

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This transaction doesn't affect our

regional newspapers at all.

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We operate around 100 regional

papers, Manchester Evening News

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through to the Plymouth Herald,

and Trinity Mirror, as a group,

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makes over £120 million,

and we're absolutely committed

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to continuing our investment

in our great regional titles,

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both in print and digitally.

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Rescue workers in Taiwan

are continuing to search

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for survivors in the eastern city

of Hualien after Tuesday's

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6.4 magnitude earthquake.

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The Marshal Hotel

is still leaning precariously

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and some floors remain buried under

ground as a result of the quake.

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The death toll has risen to ten,

and rescue operations are at risk

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of continuing aftershocks.

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At least 60 people

are still missing.

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The European premiere of Marvel's

newest super hero film,

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Black Panther, took place

in London last night.

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It is the first film to focus

on black characters from the comics

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and has also received praise

for its portrayal of

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strong female characters.

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The actor, Michael B Jordan,

said that the film was empowering

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for young black people.

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You know, my 10-year-old self didn't

have many superheroes to kind of be

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able to identify with.

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So I think for the kids now to be

able to dream and imagine and see

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themselves and see different

possibilites in an empowering way,

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not your typical stereotypes that

we're used to seeing in the cinema,

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I think it's extremely

important for the future.

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That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

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More at 9:30am.

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We're going to be talking about the

lack Panther UK premiere with a Jan

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black actor and film producer. --

Black.

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Do get in touch with us

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Let's get some sport with Hugh.

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It's officially the first day

of this year's Winter Olympics -

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but already there's

a real disappointment

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for one Team GB athlete?

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Yes, you'll remember we spoke

yesterday about Katie Ormerod, a

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freestyle skier full she suffered a

fractured wrist in training. But

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things got worse. She's out of the

Winter Olympics following an

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accident meaning she had a broken

heel. She said words cannot describe

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how gutted she is missing out. She

was taken to solve macro overnight

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for surgery. -- Seoul. Some pretty

extensive surgery. It clearly was

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not meant to be for the women from

Yorkshire and a big blow for Team

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GB.

She has had her fair number of

injuries already. She is resilient

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and comes back better from injuries

also be would not wish this on

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anyone in the team at this point for

the bill be very sad for the rest of

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the team not to have her there. She

is a very positive member of the

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team and that is a big loss. We wish

her the best in recovery and that

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when she is fit and well she can

look forward and focus on the future

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and coming back and fulfilling the

great potential that she has.

She

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was just 20 years old and hopefully

she will be back. She will stay in

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hospital for another week or so. We

wish her the very best. It reminds

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us how the dangerous these sports

are.

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She's not the only athlete who has

seen their hopes vanish

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at the last moment -

what's the latest on Russia?

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A few of their athletes are holding

out hopes of competing in the Winter

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Olympics will stop the only light at

the end of the tunnel was the IOC

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allowing those who could prove they

were clean following the

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state-sponsored doping a couple of

years ago it led to a raft of

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appeals. Athletes and coaches have

been told appeals have failed. They

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will be 169 athletes competing in

South Korea as Olympic athletes from

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Russia. They include this figure

skating pair. If they do win a

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medal, the Olympic anthem will be

played instead of the Russian

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anthem. That is an indication of

where the IOC still sits on the

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Russian sporting involvement.

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And of course the opening

day means one thing -

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the Opening Ceremony.

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We all become artistic directors and

choreographies, offering up our

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expertise in what shots look best on

who was in time with the music in

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all seriousness, ill be a fantastic

moment for the athletes.

Lizzy

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Yarnold, as we mentioned yesterday

will be leading out Team GB as the

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flag bearer. Spoiler alert, the

rehearsals have been taking place

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and it looks like once again it

could be another massive production.

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Lots to see those that they'll be

plenty of fans to watch. As we told

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you, temperatures set to reach minus

ten. Not all the athletes will be

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attending that some of them

preferring to stay warm. It looks

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like it will be another spectacular.

If you do want to watch, 1030 will

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be the time.

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As we've been hearing,

the 2018 Winter Olympics get

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underway in PyeongChang

in South Korea just

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a couple of hours.

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Team GB is aiming for up

to ten medals this year -

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following on from the four it won

last time round.

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Over the course of the Olympics we

will be following the British

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bobsleigh,

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bobsleigher Mica MicNeill.

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Here's her first

video diary for us.

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TECHNO MUSIC

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Hi, I'm Mica McNeill

and I'm now part of Team GB

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for bobsleigh, heading out

to the Winter Olympic Games,

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which is in Pyeongchang.

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We're heading to Seoul

early, it's quite early.

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The Opening Ceremony's not

until the 9th of Feb,

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but we're getting out there early

and getting over the jet lag,

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adapting to the time zone

and the environment.

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It gives us a good chance to get

in some really solid sessions

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in the gym and on the sprint track,

before we head into the Olympic

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Village environment.

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Yeah, we're so, so excited,

and the season's gone really well.

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It's been so long, but we're ready

now to get out there and stand

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on that start block for the Olympic

Games.

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We've been everywhere.

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We've been in North

America, Canada and USA.

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We've had a couple of races

in Germany, Switzerland and Austria,

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so next is South Korea,

which is awesome.

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And, yeah, absolutely can't wait.

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Morning!

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It's our first day here in Seoul,

this is Mica, my brake lady,

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and we're just going for a little

look around, a little adventure,

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stretching the legs and just

trying to adapt here.

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This is day five now

on our training camp here in Seoul

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at the Sport University,

and we're just, we're

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getting there with jet lag.

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I've just come from the running

track, done a great sprint session.

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I'm now, as you can see,

at the Olympic Hall,

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which is where the Korean

weightlifters train,

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ready to do a good power session,

and tomorrow we head

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into the Olympic Village,

which I'm really excited for,

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which'll be amazing to see.

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Mica McNeill and the rest of Team GB

will be getting ready right now for

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the opening ceremony beginning at

11am Maritime.

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So let's speak now to two

former Olympic skiers,

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who've both competed

in the Winter Olympics for Team GB.

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Graham Bell is in Pyeonchang.

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It is a bit cold, I'm afraid to say.

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And Chemmy Alcott

joins us from Salford.

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We got a sense from Mica McNeill

what this is like but at this moment

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ahead of the opening ceremony, how

is everyone feeling?

There is a huge

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bundle of excitement and nerves but

also they are all frothing, they are

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ready to perform, they've done

thousands of hours of work and ready

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for those two minutes to show the

world what they are made of an

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especially from Britain, we are the

underdogs in winter sport but also

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know that we are sending the most

powerful and strongest team we ever

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have sent. There is that camaraderie

about being united.

We have talked

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so much about the cold, the media

gets excited about a thing and it

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seems to be the cold with this

Winter Olympics. How much does it

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affect an athlete, we are talking

about -10?

For the Alpine skiers it

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was about -25 and they are going 80

mph so there is a huge wind-chill,

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the boys are covering every part of

their face with tape and if you

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leave any skin exposed you can get

frostbite and it is dangerous. We

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have had experience racing in this,

the Torah goes to Lake Louise every

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year. The guys knew this would be an

issue and hopefully they have

0:19:430:19:46

adapted. That's why they have gone

out earlier to see how their bodies

0:19:460:19:50

react -- the tour goes to Lake

Louise. The coldest temperature I've

0:19:500:19:58

been in is -14 in Finland last year.

My word, it was freezing, I had

0:19:580:20:04

massive snow boots on. How warm is

the clothing, presumably which still

0:20:040:20:07

has to be light while competing?

The

more clothes these athletes wear the

0:20:070:20:12

slower they will be. Skin to win is

the fastest, wearing nothing under

0:20:120:20:18

these Lycra suits, that's why they

will be stripping off at the last

0:20:180:20:21

minute and they will have physios at

the start gate to make sure their

0:20:210:20:24

muscles are warm and ready to go

because they have got to go from

0:20:240:20:28

standing there to 100% in terms of

intention and the high heart rate.

0:20:280:20:32

It is tough but they will not

sacrifice being warm for being fast

0:20:320:20:36

so they will still definitely worth

less clothes underneath than they

0:20:360:20:40

should.

That is commitment of the

sport. I'm pleased to say we have

0:20:400:20:44

reconnected with Graham Benn in

Pyeongchang and I'm impressed you

0:20:440:20:47

are standing outside to speak to us.

-- Graham Bell. Explain how cold it

0:20:470:20:53

is and the challenges for people

where you are now.

The temperature

0:20:530:20:58

itself isn't Backel compared to

racing in Norway or Canada. But the

0:20:580:21:05

-- isn't back old. The difference is

it is quite humid and there is a

0:21:050:21:08

cold north wind blowing all the time

meaning it is chilly all the time

0:21:080:21:13

and there is a definite kind of, you

know, wind-chill affect that bites

0:21:130:21:19

as well.

Chemmy Alcott talked about

that and how it affects the

0:21:190:21:24

athletes, because they have

obviously got to have thin Lycra

0:21:240:21:28

layers on full speed, but how

challenging is it to get warmed up,

0:21:280:21:32

stay warm and compete at your best?

The thing with skiing, particularly

0:21:320:21:37

Alpine skiing, is you are in tight

race boots so the most important

0:21:370:21:41

thing is you can feel your feet. A

lot of the racers will go into a

0:21:410:21:45

warming station before they race and

warm up their boots, so you're

0:21:450:21:50

putting on warm boots. I know that

the Italian racer takes a hairdryer

0:21:500:21:56

to the start with him because he

will go on a course inspection and

0:21:560:22:00

he will go and dry his liners in his

boots with the hairdryer before his

0:22:000:22:06

race. When he gets to the finish

they will be boots off, over suit on

0:22:060:22:10

and get themselves warmed up in the

finish.

Chemmy Alcott, the irony of

0:22:100:22:17

talking about it being too cold,

they might not be enough snow and

0:22:170:22:21

there will be snow cannons. I was

listening to an interview saying

0:22:210:22:26

this could benefit the British

athletes because it has better grip.

0:22:260:22:28

Is that true?

It is cold and humid

snow like Graham said, packed down

0:22:280:22:36

snow, not I seek like we are used

to, meaning the track should stay

0:22:360:22:40

sustained from the first to the last

runner and it won't write as much

0:22:400:22:44

and is good for athletes. Dave

Ryding likes the ice but his event

0:22:440:22:49

is at the end of the games. The one

to watch out for as a nation is the

0:22:490:22:52

Americans, they ski on this cold,

dry, hardpacked snow a lot and it's

0:22:520:22:57

very grippy. We call it hero snow

gives you feel amazing but it means

0:22:570:23:01

you can overturn, you can get to the

finish and think you have had a

0:23:010:23:04

great run and you are off the pace.

It's important to still risk

0:23:040:23:09

everything.

Graham, if you were

competing in this Winter Olympics

0:23:090:23:12

would you go to the opening ceremony

tonight?

Absolutely not. In men's

0:23:120:23:18

downhill you are doing a training

run, or racing the day after the

0:23:180:23:22

opening ceremony. I know that

Lindsey Vonn is going to the opening

0:23:220:23:27

ceremony and she has come out to the

Olympics a little bit earlier than

0:23:270:23:31

she normally would have to because

the women's downhill is later in the

0:23:310:23:36

programme, because they only have

one track for both men's and

0:23:360:23:41

women's, so she's coming out and

doing the opening ceremony. I went

0:23:410:23:45

to five Olympic Games and didn't go

to a single opening ceremony because

0:23:450:23:49

the men's downhill is often the

first event, so you don't want to be

0:23:490:23:53

standing out in the cold for two or

three hours the night before the

0:23:530:23:57

race.

Chemmy Alcott, I can see you

nodding.

I went to four Olympics and

0:23:570:24:03

in Sochi I decided because of the

situation with me being slightly

0:24:030:24:06

injured before and I wanted to go to

the opening ceremony to feel part of

0:24:060:24:10

something bigger than myself and

Team GB and I went and we have a

0:24:100:24:14

training run cancelled the next day

so we got to recover but like Graham

0:24:140:24:17

says, you don't want to stand

around. We'd see the athletes from

0:24:170:24:21

the moment they walk out into this

amazing round epic opening ceremony

0:24:210:24:25

but they are

0:24:250:24:31

but they are standing like sardines

four hours beforehand. You've got a

0:24:330:24:35

thing, psychologically, do I need to

go to feel like I am in the

0:24:350:24:37

Olympics? To feel I have made it and

feel I want to risk more because

0:24:370:24:40

it's the biggest event? Or do I

think about physically I need a

0:24:400:24:43

rest? It is a hard game to play.

Lindsey Vonn is going because she

0:24:430:24:46

knows this is her last Olympics and

she wants to enjoy every part of the

0:24:460:24:50

bubble of this Games.

Graham, I said

in the introduction we are looking

0:24:500:24:55

at potentially ten medals for Team

GB. Is that realistic?

Unfortunately

0:24:550:25:00

we have just lost one of our big

medal hopes in Katie Ormerod,

0:25:000:25:04

injured in training, and it just

goes to show that the Winter

0:25:040:25:08

Olympics are not as easy to call as

the Summer Olympics because they are

0:25:080:25:13

generally high-risk sports. To call

ten medals, that's quite a big call.

0:25:130:25:19

I

0:25:190:25:25

I think that, yeah, looking at snow

sports, skiing and snowboarding, it

0:25:250:25:28

would be nice to get one or even

two, but across the board, ten is a

0:25:280:25:34

big ask.

Chemmy Alcott, would you

agree?

It depends how the first few

0:25:340:25:42

days go for Team GB because if one

of your team does well in that

0:25:420:25:46

environment it can inspire you to

push yourself but like Graham said

0:25:460:25:49

there is a thin line in snow sports

between making that ultimate run,

0:25:490:25:54

pushing yourself to the fine line

and getting on the podium which they

0:25:540:25:57

all need to do, and complete

disaster and pushing it. We saw

0:25:570:26:00

Katie pushing it too far and getting

an injury, which is horrendous for

0:26:000:26:05

her. We do have huge talent, Elise

Christie, double world champion, she

0:26:050:26:09

had a brutal Games four years

0:26:090:26:16

had a brutal Games four years ago

and I hope she comes away as Olympic

0:26:170:26:19

medallist. Lizzy Yarnold hopes to

become the first ever Brit to

0:26:190:26:21

back-up the gold she had four years

ago. The curlers are strong, Andrew

0:26:210:26:24

Musgrave, the one at the start of

the Games who could start that medal

0:26:240:26:27

league rolling for us. I am an

optimist and I believe we are

0:26:270:26:30

sending the most powerful, talented

team we have ever had, and who

0:26:300:26:33

knows?

Graham, do you think that the

public gets engaged with the Winter

0:26:330:26:38

Olympics in the same way that it

does with the Summer Olympics?

I

0:26:380:26:43

definitely think so. If you look at

the skiers and snowboarders in the

0:26:430:26:49

UK, we have over 1 million people

that will go skiing and snowboarding

0:26:490:26:52

every year. If you look at our ski

areas in Scotland, we have five ski

0:26:520:26:59

areas in Scotland and lots of indoor

snow centres. There is a lot of

0:26:590:27:03

people that are engaged in winter

sports. I think there is absolutely

0:27:030:27:07

no reason why we won't have the same

levels of participation in winter

0:27:070:27:13

sports as we do in summer sports. To

say that we're not a winter sports

0:27:130:27:18

nation is absolutely wrong. We are a

winter sports nation, we do have

0:27:180:27:21

mountains and we do have snow sports

taking place in the UK. So, yeah, I

0:27:210:27:28

think that people do get engaged

with the Winter Olympics. It is more

0:27:280:27:33

exciting that the summer games

anyway.

Great to speak to you,

0:27:330:27:37

Graham, put your hairdryer in your

boots, or whatever it is. Chemmy

0:27:370:27:42

Alcott, thank you also.

0:27:420:27:46

BBC coverage of the Winter Olympics

means this programme will not be on

0:27:460:27:50

BBC Two next week but you can find

us on the BBC News Channel. Still to

0:27:500:27:55

come, calls for more help for school

children experiencing mental health

0:27:550:27:59

problems, as one charity says half

of mental illness in adults starts

0:27:590:28:02

by the age of 14. And white marble's

Black Panther is no ordinary

0:28:020:28:08

superhero movie. It had its UK

premiere last night. -- and why

0:28:080:28:16

Marvel. Time for the latest news.

Thank you, Chloe, the BBC News

0:28:160:28:22

headlines this morning. Two British

extremists believed to be members of

0:28:220:28:27

one of so-called Islamic State's

most notorious cells have been

0:28:270:28:31

captured by Syrian fighters in Syria

according to American officials.

0:28:310:28:39

They were part of a unit from London

who became known as the Beatles

0:28:390:28:43

because of their British accidents.

0:28:430:28:52

The sister of the North Korean

leader, Kim Jong Un,

0:28:520:28:55

has became the first member

of her family to visit the south

0:28:550:28:57

since the Korean War.

0:28:570:29:02

It marks first time since part of

the Qin dynasty has visited the

0:29:020:29:05

South since the Korean War.

0:29:050:29:07

Key US government agencies have

shut down for the second

0:29:070:29:09

time in three weeks.

0:29:090:29:14

A Republican senator demanded a

last-minute amendment for the

0:29:140:29:17

temporary shutdown to end.

0:29:170:29:20

The spending deal must be passed

0:29:200:29:22

in both the Senate and the House

of Representatives and then

0:29:220:29:25

signed by the President.

0:29:250:29:26

For the second time in a week, US

stock markets have fallen sharply,

0:29:260:29:29

with the Dow Jones index tumbling

more than 4%.

0:29:290:29:32

Investors are selling off shares

due to concerns central

0:29:320:29:34

banks are going to raise

interest rates soon.

0:29:340:29:36

Asian and Australian markets

also dropped overnight.

0:29:360:29:42

Researchers at Edinburgh University

have grown human eggs in

0:29:420:29:44

the laboratory for the first time.

0:29:440:29:46

Scientists removed egg cells

from ovary tissue at their earliest

0:29:460:29:48

stage of development,

and matured them to the point

0:29:480:29:50

they were ready for fertilisation.

0:29:500:29:53

The team say their findings

could lead to new ways

0:29:530:29:56

of preserving women's fertility.

0:29:560:30:02

Trinity Mirror has announced

a £127 million deal to buy

0:30:020:30:10

the Express and Star newspapers

from Northern & Shell as well as

0:30:100:30:13

OK!

Magazine.

0:30:130:30:14

The company says the combined group

will be able to save

0:30:140:30:17

money by sharing content

and reducing duplication.

0:30:170:30:18

As well as cutting some posts. That

is a summary of the latest BBC News.

0:30:180:30:25

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

0:30:250:30:27

Bad news ahead of the start of the

Winter Olympics for Team GB,

0:30:270:30:32

freestyle snowboard Katie Ormerod

says she is gutted after being ruled

0:30:320:30:36

out of the Games. The 20-year-old

has had surgery after breaking her

0:30:360:30:40

heel in a training crash yesterday.

She will miss the opening ceremony

0:30:400:30:45

in Pyeongchang coming up later on,

rehearsals have been taking place

0:30:450:30:48

ahead of this morning's 11am start

and you can watch Lizzy Yarnold will

0:30:480:30:53

lead out Team GB on BBC One.

0:30:530:30:57

In football, the former Scotland

manager Walter Smith won't be taking

0:30:570:31:00

on the job for a second time -

he was favourite to replace Gordon

0:31:000:31:03

Strachen but he's ruled himself out.

0:31:030:31:05

Riyad Mahrez's feud with

Leicester City looks to be over -

0:31:050:31:08

he's set to train with the squad

today, for the first time

0:31:080:31:11

since a move to Manchester City

fell through last month.

0:31:110:31:13

He's effectively been on strike

since Leicester rejected a deal

0:31:130:31:16

of around £50 million.

0:31:160:31:24

we will carry on speaking to you

throughout the morning.

0:31:280:31:31

We regularly hear on this programme

that taking care of children's

0:31:310:31:34

mental health is extremely important

- but what is the right

0:31:340:31:36

way to go about it?

0:31:360:31:38

A new piece of research says many

schools are struggling to support

0:31:380:31:40

pupils because teachers don't know

what type of help they need.

0:31:400:31:43

Figures show 50% of adult

mental health problems

0:31:430:31:45

start at the age of 14 -

and the charity Place two Be -

0:31:450:31:48

who is behind these new findings -

argues this is proof that early

0:31:480:31:51

intervention is key.

0:31:510:31:53

It's calling for all primary

and secondary schools to receive

0:31:530:31:55

more funding and counsellors.

0:31:550:31:57

Let's speak to Danielle Forbes -

her daughter received counselling

0:31:570:32:03

at school when she was seven,

Sam Barakat - who started

0:32:030:32:06

experiencing depression and suicidal

thoughts when she was 16,

0:32:060:32:08

to Nicola Percy - headteacher

of New North Academy Primary School

0:32:080:32:12

in north London and Dr Patrick

Johnston, Director of Learning

0:32:120:32:15

at Place2Be.

0:32:150:32:22

Thank you all for coming in to talk

to us. Sam first of all. You started

0:32:220:32:29

experiencing your depression when

you were 16 foot did you get any

0:32:290:32:33

support from your school?

I found it

hard to open up at school. The

0:32:330:32:36

school was quite school but there

was no mental health support I have

0:32:360:32:42

been made aware of. I tried to find

my own help outside of school, which

0:32:420:32:46

was difficult.

What was the perfect

scenario for you?

To have some

0:32:460:32:52

within school available during

school and after school and also a

0:32:520:32:55

place to go to if you're feeling a

bit low. In my school, when I was

0:32:550:33:00

once feeling low in a lesson I was

not allowed to be in the first stage

0:33:000:33:05

win. I was told unless you are dying

you are not allowed to be in there.

0:33:050:33:09

I was in a very low place mentally

but it was not viewed as seriously

0:33:090:33:13

as say a broken leg and causes a lot

of problems.

It is because it is

0:33:130:33:19

invisible, isn't it? Dani Alves how

did you and your family feel when it

0:33:190:33:24

was suggested that your

seven-year-old daughter should get

0:33:240:33:26

some counselling and support? --

Dani Alves.

I thought it was a good

0:33:260:33:33

thing full she was not feeling good

with herself. She said, Mum, I'm not

0:33:330:33:38

pretty, I am not nice. No one wants

to be friends with me. It is hard

0:33:380:33:43

when you're listening to your

daughter saying stuff like that.

0:33:430:33:47

Really young. You want to say, no

comic you are beautiful, you are

0:33:470:33:52

amazing.

0:33:520:33:57

amazing. This really helped us. It

was someone who was not in charge of

0:33:570:34:03

her, she could sit down and talk

over her feelings and thought

0:34:030:34:06

process.

Was it a case of the school

reaching out for Place2Be?

She was

0:34:060:34:14

very upset and had written on her

hands, head teacher did not like

0:34:140:34:18

her. They said, actually we have

Place2Be. I did not know much about

0:34:180:34:25

it but I sat down with a lady who

said, just sometimes you can spend

0:34:250:34:30

talking to someone else. My husband

was not for it at the time that we

0:34:300:34:35

discussed it and said, this could be

good for her, so let her go. I did

0:34:350:34:41

not understand they have like a

drop-in day service or you can just

0:34:410:34:45

go in if you feel sad at any time.

She had dropped in a few days like

0:34:450:34:51

in the weeks previous which I did

not know about and it worked for

0:34:510:34:54

her.

Explain the importance of that

support. Some people may watch this

0:34:540:35:02

and think, seven, that is really

young. It is not a mental health

0:35:020:35:06

issue, they are just feeling sad as

a child.

Listening to Sam as well,

0:35:060:35:12

having the safe space got somewhere

a child feels they can stop off and

0:35:120:35:15

talk about whatever is on their

minds. Sometimes it is the

0:35:150:35:20

playground difficulties. No doubt

about that. Sometimes more

0:35:200:35:24

significant issues children might be

facing. Having a supportive

0:35:240:35:28

environment where a child can speak

to someone who is not always a

0:35:280:35:31

member of staff from a teaching

point of view, it allows them to

0:35:310:35:35

come through and speak about those

feelings. 60% of the mental health

0:35:350:35:41

difficulties we see in adulthood

start at the age of 15.

You do this

0:35:410:35:47

at your school. I am an advocate of

the need to break the to boo about

0:35:470:35:52

mental health. The Royal family has

really helped to put mental health

0:35:520:35:55

on the map and at the forefront.

What we were talking about is that

0:35:550:36:02

mental health is not the diagnosed

issues we hear about but a child who

0:36:020:36:09

is not feeling happy. Issues that

affect learning. If schools are

0:36:090:36:13

better equipped to pick up some of

those needs, then it can only serve

0:36:130:36:17

to be better in the future.

Have you

seen a wider benefit across the

0:36:170:36:23

school?

Absolutely. We have seen

improvements in how children just

0:36:230:36:29

work and collaborate with each

other. They are empathetic of each

0:36:290:36:33

other and can talk about their

feelings I recognise that they are

0:36:330:36:35

beginning to feel a bit sad. They

had strategies they can use to bring

0:36:350:36:40

them back up again. We have seen

benefits in results, we have seen

0:36:400:36:46

benefits in children generally being

happier about going to school and

0:36:460:36:52

having someone else to talk to.

It

has been fantastic. Do you think

0:36:520:36:57

there's still a stigma about mental

health? Prince Harry has been

0:36:570:37:02

talking about his own challenges. Do

you think that stigma is still

0:37:020:37:06

there?

It has improved over time but

there is still stigma. Speaking from

0:37:060:37:12

my own there is a lot of stigma

about depression. Depression is a

0:37:120:37:19

clinical condition. There is also a

stigma surrounding other medical

0:37:190:37:23

health conditions forced you might

be attention seeking all the

0:37:230:37:27

selfishness of it. It is a stigma

around that which is making people

0:37:270:37:31

think that, rather than the

condition itself.

Have you found it

0:37:310:37:36

has made your daughter become more

confident and be able to work

0:37:360:37:40

through things herself?

Yes, it has

she got the school for and they said

0:37:400:37:45

they have seen a big change in

higher. It was really nice for me

0:37:450:37:49

and her dad to read. I noticed a

change at home. Her sessions lasted

0:37:490:37:54

11 months. They said no do you feel

like you need to come back question

0:37:540:38:01

she said, no, I don't need to come

back anymore, I feel really good. It

0:38:010:38:05

has helped with the way she has

coped with her feelings for that

0:38:050:38:10

winter starts to feel down or sad I

see her come out of it quicker and

0:38:100:38:13

not get as angry.

-- when she

starts. A lot of adults when they

0:38:130:38:21

seek counselling say it does not

work for them. They can give it to a

0:38:210:38:27

counsellor and feel better. Do

children think in the same way?

We

0:38:270:38:33

have seen from what Danielle said

this morning, but sometimes children

0:38:330:38:36

don't want to go home. Burden is

sometimes the word they use. Their

0:38:360:38:42

mums, their dads, their carers.

School is the place where lots of

0:38:420:38:46

children will spend a large majority

of their time. We see in schools,

0:38:460:38:51

time and again, the difficulty these

children may be facing. It is a

0:38:510:38:55

really good place to think about the

difficulties some of these children

0:38:550:38:59

are facing in schools.

Particularly

when you are six. It is difficult to

0:38:590:39:05

articulate you have a problem.

Again, just having those

0:39:050:39:08

professionals around who can help to

pick that is really key.

It is

0:39:080:39:14

heartbreaking. Powerlessness as a

parent. When a small child says that

0:39:140:39:18

to you, you just want to make it

better that you do not know how. We

0:39:180:39:23

have had this tweet. My daughter has

suffered anxiety since the

0:39:230:39:28

Manchester bombing. The child and

adolescent mental health services

0:39:280:39:32

refuse to see her and it has taken

until now to get her help. Schools

0:39:320:39:38

are not coping with the problems

they have at the moment. I do not

0:39:380:39:42

think it is up to the school to put

them through this. It is time for

0:39:420:39:47

parents to step up and start being

parents instead of passing the buck.

0:39:470:39:51

Do you want to respond? That is not

quite fair. When you think about it,

0:39:510:39:56

a parent has the best interests of a

child at heart. I want to see my

0:39:560:40:01

children have ghost you can do as

much as you can home but sometimes

0:40:010:40:05

it is just not enough.

0:40:050:40:10

it is just not enough. Sometimes my

child has said, don't worry, I am

0:40:120:40:15

fine. I look in her eyes and you try

to probe out of her but she does not

0:40:150:40:19

want to talk about it. She got

really happy every week. I did not

0:40:190:40:26

ask what conversations she had but

sometimes she would say, it is such

0:40:260:40:33

a lovely conversation. She would ask

me how I am and how I feel like

0:40:330:40:38

that.

I saw a difference. Some

people watching this may say school

0:40:380:40:42

budgets as we all know are

incredibly tight in my local area

0:40:420:40:46

some schools have stopped teaching

on a Friday in the afternoon. Others

0:40:460:40:51

have considered the same action.

0:40:510:40:57

have considered the same action. If

it is at the expense of other things

0:40:570:41:00

in the school, surely that is not

right question in response to

0:41:000:41:04

whoever is in touch there is a need

for everybody to step up.

I don't

0:41:040:41:08

think that the aim should be set

squarely on school parents or

0:41:080:41:13

whoever. We need more funding in

order to be able to support a

0:41:130:41:18

child's help early on in schools. We

are constantly balancing our

0:41:180:41:21

budgets. My governors are absolutely

committed to mental health. They

0:41:210:41:30

will say, Nicola, we want to to find

X number of pounds we can have the

0:41:300:41:34

service two days a week. That is my

job to find that money.

Where do you

0:41:340:41:41

find it?

Through the school budget.

We have to balance what another

0:41:410:41:49

person has said about the cams

waiting list. The tension that has

0:41:490:41:52

been put on families will come back

to impact in the school environment.

0:41:520:41:57

I do think schools need to be

proactive in trying to balance out

0:41:570:42:00

and look at some of those

foundations that will really make a

0:42:000:42:03

difference if a child is to succeed

academically.

We need to remember

0:42:030:42:09

that schools are under immense

pressure. Children's health is only

0:42:090:42:16

one aspect. In day-to-day running of

the school and teacher retention,

0:42:160:42:21

we're not expecting teachers and

head teachers to become mental

0:42:210:42:25

health experts. That is why there is

a need to have a mental health

0:42:250:42:29

professional in school. Funding will

always be one of the constraints

0:42:290:42:32

that we see and has been for a

number of years. From research we

0:42:320:42:36

have done now, it is about

understanding as well. Sometimes

0:42:360:42:40

head teachers are a little bit

worried about what type of

0:42:400:42:44

therapeutic approach I should put

into school. They lack the

0:42:440:42:47

confidence for that they should not

be mental health experts. They need

0:42:470:42:54

to think about who they can bring

into schools. They need qualified

0:42:540:42:58

people to deliver that service.

Let

me read you these comments which are

0:42:580:43:03

coming in. Someone has tweeted in

saying mental health services at

0:43:030:43:08

schools are vital. When I was seven,

my mum and dad got divorced after a

0:43:080:43:13

few years of vicious arguments. It

turned me into a weird kid and I got

0:43:130:43:18

bullied. Counselling happy to get

through it. The quick question from

0:43:180:43:23

Brenda. My tenure granddaughter

could do with this service. Where

0:43:230:43:26

can I find out more information? --

ten-year-old.

There is great

0:43:260:43:34

information online. Place2Be is

about to launch a website later this

0:43:340:43:41

term. I would recommend having a

look on there. It gives good advice

0:43:410:43:45

about what to do. Also get in touch

with a school. Sometimes they are

0:43:450:43:52

really good.

Every local authority

should have information about where

0:43:520:43:59

to seek advice.

0:43:590:44:04

A government spokesperson said:

0:44:040:44:12

"To support schools,

the Government has pledged

0:44:170:44:18

£1.7 billion to help improve

children and young people's mental

0:44:180:44:21

health and wellbeing.

0:44:210:44:22

This includes improving the links

between the NHS and schools,

0:44:220:44:24

speeding up access to more intensive

support and boosting capacity

0:44:240:44:26

to ensure early intervention."

0:44:260:44:28

Thank you all for coming in today.

0:44:280:44:32

Last night was the UK

premier of the new Marvel

0:44:320:44:35

film, Black Panther -

one of the most anticipated comic

0:44:350:44:37

adaptations of all time.

0:44:370:44:38

It features an almost entirely black

cast and had a black director,

0:44:380:44:41

black producers and black writers.

0:44:410:44:42

It's already being tipped to make

150 million dollars on its opening

0:44:420:44:45

weekend after gathering a whole host

of good reviews.

0:44:450:44:47

Here's a clip of what's in store.

0:44:470:44:55

I have seen gods fly. I have seen

men build weapons I could not

0:44:570:45:03

imagine. I have seen aliens drop

from the sky but I have never seen

0:45:030:45:10

anything like this.

How much more

are you hiding?

Let's go.

0:45:100:45:18

We are home.

0:45:180:45:23

My son, it is your time.

0:45:230:45:28

# Show me my respect and bow down.

0:45:280:45:36

You get to decide what kind of king

you are going to be.

0:45:370:45:40

Don't freeze.

0:45:400:45:41

I never freeze.

0:45:410:45:44

# The revolution

will not be televised.

0:45:440:45:48

# Show me my respect and bow down.

0:45:480:45:53

# We own you.

0:45:530:45:55

# We own you.

0:45:550:45:59

We're only getting started

now because we own you.

0:45:590:46:01

# We own you.

0:46:010:46:06

I've waited my entire life for this.

0:46:060:46:08

The world's going to start over.

0:46:080:46:10

I'm going to burn it all!

0:46:100:46:16

What happens now determines what

happens to the rest of the world.

0:46:160:46:23

# You will not be able

to stay home, brother.

0:46:320:46:35

# You will not be able to plug in,

turn on and tap out.

0:46:350:46:38

# The revolution

will not be televised.

0:46:380:46:40

Let's have some fun.

0:46:400:46:43

# The revolution will be live.

0:46:460:46:49

Let's talk to Nicole Vassell -

Entertainment and features editor

0:47:000:47:02

at Pride Magazine who went

to the premiere last night,

0:47:020:47:10

also we are joined by sabel

Adomakah Young -

0:47:140:47:17

a British actor who also

went to the premiere,

0:47:170:47:22

Samira Musa -

is a British film producer.

0:47:220:47:25

And a comic book scholar and author

of the Encyclopaedia of black

0:47:250:47:29

comics, Sheena Howard.. This film

has been so widely anticipated.

Yes

0:47:290:47:40

and you could tell at the premiere

how much people have been looking

0:47:400:47:43

forward to this come across everyone

but especially for, you know, black

0:47:430:47:47

viewers and people like from African

and Caribbean descent, people

0:47:470:47:52

dressed in traditional clothing,

people came out and it was such an

0:47:520:47:55

event and it was a pleasure to be

there.

You are nodding away and you

0:47:550:47:59

were there as well.

It was amazing

to see, with the run-up to the

0:47:590:48:03

release of the film, you could see

on Twitter people planning what they

0:48:030:48:07

would work to the cinema to see the

film, let alone to the premiere, and

0:48:070:48:11

people really came through, people

looked like royalty.

Did it live up

0:48:110:48:15

to the hype?

Absolutely. I was kind

of nervous watching it because when

0:48:150:48:20

you've waited for something so long

and wanted it to deliver, and I sat

0:48:200:48:24

there for so long feeling like so

bust, it's an incredible film, it's

0:48:240:48:30

so good.

Did any of you think there

would be a film like that made this

0:48:300:48:36

year -- feeling like I was buzzing.

From my perspective I was so happy

0:48:360:48:45

to see the film being made. But it

has taken a long time in the making

0:48:450:48:52

and I'm really, really glad that

it's been made and really excited

0:48:520:48:55

and stoked to be seeing it next

week. Like you've said, the people

0:48:550:49:01

are showing up, the clothing and a

tire, people pre-booking tickets and

0:49:010:49:06

that's important as well.

Are you

surprised it has taken this long, or

0:49:060:49:12

that it's happened this soon? I know

it has sounds backwards but the way

0:49:120:49:19

the film industry works.

0:49:190:49:24

the film industry works.

Not shocked

that all. I'm surprised how much the

0:49:260:49:29

film was able to reference that,

it's a very self-aware, not only is

0:49:290:49:33

there just a black cast, but it

refers to it and there are so many

0:49:330:49:37

knowing laughs in the room about the

nods and winks to the struggle that

0:49:370:49:41

the makers will have been through

and the audience will have

0:49:410:49:44

experience. I'm just really glad it

has happened now and so glad they

0:49:440:49:50

were able to deliver. It really is

worth the hype.

Give us a historical

0:49:500:49:56

context to this if you would the

significance of now, not just with

0:49:560:50:00

the film industry but within comics.

It's been a long time coming with

0:50:000:50:08

this particular movie and for black

creatives in the comic industry,

0:50:080:50:13

they have been trying to get

recognition for many, many years.

0:50:130:50:18

Black Panther was introduced in the

1960s during the civil rights

0:50:180:50:24

movement, and so it's interesting to

see a movie to date reference some

0:50:240:50:27

of the cultural elements of

African-Americans and the political

0:50:270:50:31

elements in America going on. To

just see the connection between

0:50:310:50:36

Black Panther and actual black

cultural identity on screen for the

0:50:360:50:42

first time in this way is really

important. Really important to black

0:50:420:50:47

creatives who have been struggling

to be seen and heard in the comics

0:50:470:50:52

industry since people started

creating comics.

Who wants to pick

0:50:520:50:57

up on that because some people

watching this may ask why it is so

0:50:570:51:05

important that it is black writers,

black actors, black producers?

It

0:51:050:51:12

has been said a lot that

representation really matters.

0:51:120:51:18

Seeing that they black led film with

black creatives and black cast can

0:51:180:51:22

make some much money, or is

predicted to make so much money, it

0:51:220:51:25

can only inspire future generations

and future film-makers to see that

0:51:250:51:31

the much diversity in film is

something that is necessary and will

0:51:310:51:33

be successful.

It's a really

interesting point that you make.

0:51:330:51:41

Sheena, is there a general view that

this type of film would not make

0:51:410:51:43

money and that's why it hasn't been

made, or is it down to bog-standard

0:51:430:51:47

racism?

It is a little bit of both.

There has been a myth that movies

0:51:470:51:54

with a completely black cast,

especially comics with black

0:51:540:51:59

characters and black superheroes

will not sell, but I think that is

0:51:590:52:02

the method black creatives have been

fighting against all this time,

0:52:020:52:06

which makes this movie so important.

They say the same thing about female

0:52:060:52:11

characters but we see how good

wonder woman did so now we are at a

0:52:110:52:14

point where all of the myths around

race, gender in comics are flying in

0:52:140:52:21

the face of what we have been told

historically about movies with

0:52:210:52:30

historically about movies with The

Black Cats, or women leads.

How much

0:52:300:52:33

has it been a battle to be a woman

of colour?

That is a loaded

0:52:330:52:37

question.

That's the important

thing, do you feel you have had to

0:52:370:52:42

be so much better because of your

heritage?

I think everybody,

0:52:420:52:47

regardless, in the film industry

whether you are an actor, producer,

0:52:470:52:50

if you are a person of colour or

diversity, you have to work harder,

0:52:500:52:55

you have to work more hours, you

have to show up all the time and be

0:52:550:53:01

at your best. I think that's because

there isn't many of us at the top

0:53:010:53:06

and it is harder, and also going

back to the point, there has never

0:53:060:53:12

been films for all of black casts,

black actors, writers, directors,

0:53:120:53:21

producers and so forth and now this

film will make money, it is

0:53:210:53:24

projected to do so, people are

watching it, it has social media

0:53:240:53:29

buzz, it has audience is going crazy

all over the world. I think that is

0:53:290:53:34

what is going to open doors for a

lot of people. But it is tough. You

0:53:340:53:39

cannot sugar-coat it, unfortunately.

Starting out, what difference would

0:53:390:53:45

it have made if this film, black

Panther, had been made when you were

0:53:450:53:49

a young girl and looking for

inspiration? What does it do to

0:53:490:53:52

young people to see that?

I

experienced watching the film, the

0:53:520:53:58

kind of later stages of that. It is

so inspiring. Not only in a kind of

0:53:580:54:05

emotional way but it gives you a

practical sense of what is possible

0:54:050:54:07

to CB is black actors just

absolutely slaying, delivering these

0:54:070:54:12

amazing, complicated stories.

And

being a hero, not being a drug

0:54:120:54:17

dealer in a Puddy.

Exactly command

is important to underline that the

0:54:170:54:23

film is set in an African state,

that is significant, although a lot

0:54:230:54:29

of the actors are African-American,

it is not set in the US, or even in

0:54:290:54:34

Britain, these are African people.

For me the most emotional moment of

0:54:340:54:40

the film was when they were doing

the more kind of traditional tribal

0:54:400:54:45

rituals, which I won't go into

detail about, obviously. But it

0:54:450:54:49

really got me in my stomach because

I am part of the demo that tried in

0:54:490:54:54

Ghana and I recognised the gestures

and it was unbelievable -- because I

0:54:540:55:01

am part of that tribe.

It was

unbelievable to see something like

0:55:010:55:06

that we haven't seen before and to

be amongst people feeling this

0:55:060:55:12

excitement of something that is so

severely but we have not seen on

0:55:120:55:16

television or film before, it was

incredible.

It is related ability

0:55:160:55:20

which is the connection that we have

which has been missing from the

0:55:200:55:23

industry for so long. We didn't have

anybody when I was growing up that

0:55:230:55:28

you could say, that is beautiful,

she looks and sounds like me and has

0:55:280:55:32

my heritage, or even resembles me or

us.

And therefore can go out and

0:55:320:55:38

achieve that.

That's what it is.

I

could talk to you for so long. Thank

0:55:380:55:48

you all and to Sheena from

Philadelphia.

0:55:480:55:54

Two British IS Fighters -

the last of the so-called Beatles -

0:55:540:55:57

have been captured in Syria.

0:55:570:55:58

We'll be talking to a French

journalist held captive

0:55:580:56:00

there for ten months.

0:56:000:56:03

It's been on display

at the Natural History

0:56:040:56:06

museum since 1905 -

and now Dippy the diplodocus -

0:56:060:56:08

the giant replica of a dinosaur

skeleton has started its UK tour.

0:56:080:56:11

Dippy is 70 foot long,

more than 13 foot

0:56:110:56:13

tall, and has 292 bones.

0:56:130:56:15

He roamed the Earth

150 million years ago.

0:56:150:56:17

First stop in the three-year

journey is Dorset.

0:56:170:56:20

It will then be shown at museums

and cathedrals around Britain.

0:56:200:56:23

Have a look at this.

0:56:230:56:26

Let's get the latest weather

update with Simon King.

0:57:430:57:46

Hello, you may have seen the new

graphics that we launched this week

0:57:490:57:52

and this is one that you might have

seen, the Aurora. Last night we were

0:57:520:57:57

very lucky because towards the

north, if we go and run this

0:57:570:58:02

through, you can see in the Shetland

Islands, we have had a glimmer of

0:58:020:58:06

the Aurora moving through last night

and one of our Weather Watchers was

0:58:060:58:09

lucky enough to capture that moment,

there it is in the Shetland Islands,

0:58:090:58:14

lovely green haze on the horizon.

For many last night it was clouded

0:58:140:58:20

because of this weather front moving

south and east would overnight and

0:58:200:58:24

this morning, a little front behind

that indicating we have some showers

0:58:240:58:27

but behind that, more speckled cloud

but the speckled cloud is snow

0:58:270:58:31

showers, so those will continue to

move in across western Scotland,

0:58:310:58:35

rain will clear away from the

south-east but because we will see

0:58:350:58:39

some wintry showers across parts of

Yorkshire Andy Stirling can show,

0:58:390:58:45

for money some sunny spells this

afternoon but colder than yesterday,

0:58:450:58:48

temperatures about 4-7d. This

evening and tonight the rain will

0:58:480:58:52

clear away from the south-east

corner and with clear skies in

0:58:520:58:55

Central and eastern areas it will

turn chilly. Further west more cloud

0:58:550:58:59

rolling in and that will keep the

temperature is above freezing, you

0:58:590:59:04

can see by those Greens. But the

blues are quite wide spread, colder

0:59:040:59:10

start to Saturday morning. The

sunshine will not last too long

0:59:100:59:12

because towards the west we have

this next weather system working in,

0:59:120:59:17

the isobars getting closer together,

so we could see some strong winds

0:59:170:59:20

around on Saturday, especially

across southern areas into the

0:59:200:59:23

afternoon, but some wet weather

moving through south-west England,

0:59:230:59:27

Wales, up into northern England,

gradually spreading to the south and

0:59:270:59:30

east, something dry and brighter,

especially in the far north-east of

0:59:300:59:33

Scotland. It is a milder day,

temperatures up a few degrees, they

0:59:330:59:37

are taking a roller-coaster over the

next few days, 11 or 12 Celsius

0:59:370:59:43

potentially. Saturday night into

Sunday, the weather front will

0:59:430:59:47

continue to move south-eastward,

behind its tracking the isobars

0:59:470:59:49

back, you can see the snow showers

coming in all the way from

0:59:490:59:52

Greenland. It is a colder feel on

Sunday, one others experiencing the

0:59:520:59:57

colder weather once again, and with

the colder weather there will be

0:59:571:00:00

snow at times across Scotland,

Northern Ireland, even across

1:00:001:00:04

England and Wales with its season

snow down to low levels, strong

1:00:041:00:07

north-westerly wind, feeling cold on

Sunday, sunny spells in between,

1:00:071:00:13

maximum temperatures up to 4-7d.

Quite cold here but nowhere near as

1:00:131:00:17

cold as it is in Pyeongchang.

Temperatures for the opening

1:00:171:00:22

ceremony around the average. They

are a little colder than it has

1:00:221:00:26

been, but on Sunday the temperatures

drop down once again, bitterly cold

1:00:261:00:30

conditions. By the end of next week

those temperatures rising slightly

1:00:301:00:33

again.

1:00:331:00:37

Hello.

1:00:371:00:38

It's Friday.

1:00:381:00:39

It's 10 o'clock.

1:00:391:00:40

I'm Chloe Tilley.

1:00:401:00:41

Two British men suspected

of being members of one of so called

1:00:411:00:44

Islamic State group's most notorious

cells have been captured in Syria.

1:00:441:00:47

In a moment, we'll hear from one

journalist held hostage

1:00:471:00:49

by IS for ten months.

1:00:491:00:55

Connor Gornall was born

with his intestines growing outside

1:00:551:00:57

of his body three months ago.

1:00:571:01:00

He's now been discharged

from hospital and joins me

1:01:001:01:02

in the studio with his parents

and consultant in just

1:01:021:01:05

over half an hour.

1:01:051:01:12

The latest Marvel superhero film

Black Panther, had its premiere last

1:01:121:01:18

night. It is hoped it will go some

way to challenge stereotypes.

Seeing

1:01:181:01:25

that a black led film with black

created some black cast is addicted

1:01:251:01:30

to make so much money, it can only

inspire future generations and

1:01:301:01:36

future film-makers to see that

diversity in film is something that

1:01:361:01:40

is necessary.

1:01:401:01:43

Good morning.

1:01:431:01:47

Here's Ben Brown in the BBC Newsroom

with a summary of today's news.

1:01:471:01:51

Two British extremists,

believed to be members of one

1:01:511:01:54

of the so-called Islamic State

group's most notorious cells,

1:01:541:01:58

have been captured by Syrian Kurdish

fighters in Syria -

1:01:581:02:01

according to US officials.

1:02:011:02:03

They were part of a unit comprising

of four men from London,

1:02:031:02:06

who became known as "The Beatles"

because of their British accents.

1:02:061:02:08

The US State Department said

they beheaded more than 27 Western

1:02:081:02:11

hostages and tortured many more.

1:02:111:02:16

The sister of the North Korean

leader, Kim Jong Un, has arrived

1:02:161:02:18

in South Korea as part

of a delegation attending

1:02:181:02:21

the opening ceremony

of the Winter Olympics.

1:02:211:02:25

The visit by Kim Yo Jong marks

the first time a member of the Kim

1:02:251:02:30

dynasty has visited the south

since the Korean War.

1:02:301:02:32

Key US government agencies have

shut down for the second

1:02:321:02:35

time in three weeks.

1:02:351:02:36

The Senate failed to vote

on a budget deal before

1:02:361:02:43

a midnight deadline,

after a Republican senator demanded

1:02:431:02:45

a last minute ammendment.

1:02:451:02:46

For the temporary shutdown to end,

the spending deal must be passed

1:02:461:02:49

in both the Senate and the House

of Representatives and then

1:02:491:02:51

signed by the President.

1:02:511:02:53

There are calls for schools to be

given more funding and counsellors

1:02:531:02:56

after new research shows many

schools are struggling to support

1:02:561:02:58

pupils with mental health issues -

because teachers don't know

1:02:581:03:01

what type of help children need.

1:03:011:03:03

Figures show 50% of adult

mental health problems

1:03:031:03:07

start at the age of 14 -

and the charity Place 2 Be -

1:03:071:03:13

which is behind the findings -

says that early intervention

1:03:131:03:15

is key.

1:03:151:03:20

Sam started feeling depression at

the age of 16 and found it hard to

1:03:201:03:24

open up to her teacher.

1:03:241:03:29

In my school, when I was once

feeling low during a

1:03:331:03:35

lesson, I wasn't even allowed to be

in the first aid room because I was

1:03:351:03:39

told that, unless you're like dying,

basically, you're not allowed to be

1:03:391:03:42

in there, which was hard for me

because I was in a very low place

1:03:421:03:45

mentally.

1:03:451:03:46

Mental health isn't viewed

as seriously as say a broken leg.

1:03:461:03:49

It just causes a lot of problems.

1:03:491:03:51

Researchers at Edinburgh University

have grown human eggs in

1:03:511:03:53

the laboratory for the first time.

1:03:531:03:54

Scientists removed egg cells

from ovary tissue at their earliest

1:03:541:03:57

stage of development,

and matured them to the point

1:03:571:03:59

they were ready for fertilisation.

1:03:591:04:00

The team say their findings

could lead to new ways

1:04:001:04:02

of preserving women's fertility.

1:04:021:04:03

Trinity Mirror has announced

a £127 million deal to buy

1:04:031:04:06

the Express and Star newspapers

from Northern & Shell,

1:04:061:04:10

as well as OK magazine.

1:04:101:04:13

The company says the combined group

will be able to save money

1:04:131:04:16

by sharing content and reducing

duplication, as well as

1:04:161:04:19

cutting some posts.

1:04:191:04:27

The European premiere of Black

Panther took place in London last

1:04:291:04:33

night put a bit is the first film to

focus on black characters from the

1:04:331:04:37

comics and has received praise for

its portrayal of strong female

1:04:371:04:41

characters.

1:04:411:04:42

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:04:421:04:44

More at 10:30am.

1:04:441:04:47

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:04:471:04:49

Bad news for Team GB before

the Games has ereally kicked off.

1:04:491:04:54

Katie Ormerod has tweeted it's

the worst luck she's ever had,

1:04:541:04:56

and she's absolutely gutted.

1:04:561:05:01

Snowboarder Ormerod broke her heel

in training, just a day

1:05:011:05:03

after fracturing her wrist.

1:05:031:05:05

She's already had surgery,

and will stay in hospital

1:05:051:05:10

She had been due to compete

in the Slopestyle

1:05:101:05:12

and Big Air events.

1:05:121:05:17

She is in an extreme sport she has

had her fair share of injuries

1:05:171:05:21

already. She has a brilliant

resilience. She comes back from it,

1:05:211:05:26

she comes back better from injuries.

You would not wish this on anyone in

1:05:261:05:30

the team at this point. It would be

sad for the rest of the team. She is

1:05:301:05:35

a very positive member of the team

and that is a big loss. We wish her

1:05:351:05:41

the best with recovery. When she is

fit and well she can focus on the

1:05:411:05:46

future, coming back and fulfilling

the great potential she has.

1:05:461:05:50

We've had more action

overnight, in the run-up

1:05:501:05:52

to the Opening Ceremony.

1:05:521:05:53

And going well in the team

pairs figure skating

1:05:531:05:55

are the Olympic

athletes from Russia.

1:05:551:05:57

But, while they were on the ice,

45 Russian athletes and two

1:05:571:06:00

coaches were told they had

lost their appeals,

1:06:001:06:02

so they won't be at the Games.

1:06:021:06:10

Walter Smith won't be taking

the Scotland football manager's

1:06:221:06:24

job for a second time.

1:06:241:06:25

He'd become the favourite

to succeed Gordon Strachan,

1:06:251:06:27

after the Northern Ireland boss

Michael O'Neill turned the job down,

1:06:271:06:30

but it's understood Smith ruled

himself out after talks

1:06:301:06:32

with the Scottish FA.

1:06:321:06:33

Some good news for fans

of Leicester City.

1:06:331:06:35

It appears the club's 'fall out'

with talisman Riyad Mahrez

1:06:351:06:37

is coming to an end.

1:06:371:06:38

The BBC understands that the Algeria

international plans

1:06:381:06:40

to train for the first time

since the club rejected a number

1:06:401:06:43

of bids from Premier League leaders

Manchester City at the end

1:06:431:06:46

of the January transfer window.

1:06:461:06:49

It's the second round of

matches in rugby union's

1:06:491:06:51

Six Nations this weekend.

1:06:511:06:52

England's head coach Eddie Jones has

ramped up the mind games ahead

1:06:521:06:55

of their meeting with Wales.

1:06:551:06:57

He's questioned whether Wales's

'fill-in' fly-half Rhys Patchell has

1:06:571:07:01

the "bottle" for the match at

Twickenham.

1:07:011:07:07

It is a massive step up. He hasn't

played much test rugby at all. He is

1:07:071:07:13

a young guy. He is going to have Rob

Shaw and Farrell at him. All guys

1:07:131:07:21

who have played a lot of test rugby.

The pressure on him will be

1:07:211:07:26

enormous. It is whether he has the

bottle to handle it.

1:07:261:07:30

The former Ireland international

Joy Neville will make more rugby

1:07:301:07:32

union history tonight,

when she'll become the first woman

1:07:321:07:34

to referee a Pro 14 rugby match -

Ulster versus Southern Kings.

1:07:341:07:37

Neville is already the first woman

to take charge of a men's

1:07:371:07:40

European club fixture -

but despite the landmarks, she says

1:07:401:07:43

she STILL encounters negativity.

1:07:431:07:50

Often, the little stories you hear a

referee and a third division men's

1:07:501:07:57

game and there is no one to referee

in Division 1. Would you keep up

1:07:571:08:00

with the pace of life? There is no

point being defensive. They will be

1:08:001:08:06

annoyed and you will be annoyed and

no messages being sent.

That is a

1:08:061:08:13

fantastic achievement. Sport later

on.

1:08:131:08:16

Now, it's three and a half years

since the world watched in horror

1:08:161:08:19

the spectacle of an American man

savagely murdered -

1:08:191:08:22

beheaded - in the Syrian

desert by a British man.

1:08:221:08:24

The American was James Foley and his

murderer was dubbed Jihadi John.

1:08:241:08:27

He was one of a group that became

known as the British Beatles.

1:08:271:08:30

They'd volunteered to fight

alongside IS forces and became

1:08:301:08:32

notorious for their brutality.

1:08:321:08:40

Well, the last two of the Beatles

have now been captured in Syria.

1:08:401:08:43

With me is Mark Campbell,

co-chair of the pro-Kurdish

1:08:431:08:45

solidarity campaign.

1:08:451:08:46

He also supports families of British

fighters killed fighting

1:08:461:08:48

against Isis.

1:08:481:08:51

In Cambridgeshire is Macer Gifford,

which isn't his real name.

1:08:511:08:53

He gave up a career in finance

and decided to fly to Syria

1:08:531:09:01

three years ago.

1:09:011:09:07

And we're also joined

by Nicolas Henin, a French

1:09:071:09:09

journalist who was held hostage

by IS and the so-called

1:09:091:09:12

'Beatles' for ten months.

1:09:121:09:17

Nicolas, thank you for joining us

today. How do you feel when you hear

1:09:171:09:21

the news today that these two men

have been captured?

I am delighted.

1:09:211:09:27

This is the first stage of what I

want, which is justice. There cannot

1:09:271:09:36

be justice if there is no capture.

These people committed horrific

1:09:361:09:41

acts.

This is the first stage. How

much do you know about where you

1:09:411:09:46

were held? Tell us about the bit

about the conditions in which you

1:09:461:09:50

were held?

I was moved across Syria

from place to place, probably from

1:09:501:09:57

rack to Aleppo, probably to Italy

prevents and then back to Raqqa. We

1:09:571:10:10

were helped probably by Western

jailers. Also British citizens as

1:10:101:10:17

well as French and Belgian jihadists

fighters.

When you were held, as

1:10:171:10:27

they were British, European, Weston,

clearly you would have understood

1:10:271:10:32

them speaking to one another. Did

you ever get a sense of who they

1:10:321:10:38

were? Was that any kind of

relationship, as weird as that

1:10:381:10:43

sounds, built up between you and

your captors?

There were -- they

1:10:431:10:55

were cautious at keeping identities

secret. They disclose little by

1:10:551:11:02

telling about themselves little

details about their lives. They

1:11:021:11:06

thought potentially that would help

a lot in the course of legal

1:11:061:11:09

process.

How did you manage to get

through the ten months? A really

1:11:091:11:15

long time to be held constantly in

fear of your life.

That is a

1:11:151:11:22

question for decisions. We reacted

in our group of hostages, we were

1:11:221:11:30

about 2000 hostages kept together,

or Westerners. It is a question of,

1:11:301:11:36

we reacted in different manners. We

are now coping with the recovery.

1:11:361:11:42

How is your recovery?

It is a long

process. Did days like this help you

1:11:421:11:50

to move forward and feel like you

can begin to rebuild your life?

One

1:11:501:11:56

of the things with this recovery is

to know there is justice. It is the

1:11:561:12:04

first time, I heard this morning,

James Foley was the first Westerner

1:12:041:12:09

to be beheaded by this group of

people nicknamed the Beatles. We are

1:12:091:12:15

pretty much similar. She also wants

justice. It will not bring her son

1:12:151:12:26

back but she needs that in order to

help herself cope with what her son

1:12:261:12:37

-- with her son is still being

missing.

I know you attempted to

1:12:371:12:42

escape. Was it clear to you why some

people were killed by the so-called

1:12:421:12:47

Beatles and you were not?

I assume

it has to-do with, if not the policy

1:12:471:12:56

of our states, but at least the

perception of this policy by the

1:12:561:13:01

hostage-takers. They had the feeling

that some kind of decision was

1:13:011:13:10

possible that some countries are

maybe they did not want to negotiate

1:13:101:13:14

with some others they failed to do

so.

And how do you feel towards your

1:13:141:13:19

captors?

I don't like hate, so...

But I want justice. There is

1:13:191:13:28

sometimes a confusion about justice.

-- about justice and revenge. They

1:13:281:13:39

are the opposite. Revenge is about

violence and calls for more violence

1:13:391:13:45

was revenge is an endless cycle

while justice eventually aims at

1:13:451:13:52

extinguishing violence by getting

all the grievances and bringing back

1:13:521:13:58

the peace.

This is what I want. For

you, what is justice?

Being tried in

1:13:581:14:06

the European Court? Justice is a

proper trial. I would be upset for

1:14:061:14:15

instance if there is a trial in

northern Syria. More than that, I am

1:14:151:14:22

afraid, as long as these people are

detained in northern Syria, just

1:14:221:14:27

like almost 100 French jihadis who

are currently detained in northern

1:14:271:14:31

Syria. They are not safe as long as

they are held by these Kurdish

1:14:311:14:39

forces. There are too many ways they

can escape. As well as I would not

1:14:391:14:48

be happy if they were centred on

Guantanamo Bay. This is about denial

1:14:481:14:53

of justice. If we want justice, we

need to give them the trial that

1:14:531:15:02

would satisfy them, but also the

victims. Why is that? The worst

1:15:021:15:08

thing you can give to a terrorist is

a chance to depict himself as a

1:15:081:15:14

victim. This is a total inversion of

values. A terrorist is a terrorist

1:15:141:15:19

if you give a chance to eight

terrorist with this propaganda by

1:15:191:15:25

saying, look at me, I am the victim

and saying I have not had decent

1:15:251:15:31

treatment because I have been

stigmatised or whatever, it will

1:15:311:15:34

allow him to fuel his victimisation

and you just lost. This is why we

1:15:341:15:43

need an exceptionally fair trial.

Thank you so much for joining with

1:15:431:15:47

us and for sharing your story.

1:15:471:15:52

We have managed to connect in

Cambridgeshire. He gave up a career

1:15:521:16:00

in finance and flew three years ago

to fight with the Syriac military

1:16:001:16:04

council, a Christian group allied

with the Kurdish YPG, the People's

1:16:041:16:10

Protection Units and recently

returned to the UK after helping to

1:16:101:16:12

liberate the city of Raqqa.

1:16:121:16:18

liberate the city of Raqqa. Macer,

thank you for joining us. How do you

1:16:181:16:21

react to the news that the last two

of these so-called Beatles have been

1:16:211:16:30

captured?

It is a good day. These

are two of the most brutal and

1:16:301:16:36

horrible terrorist groups today and

their capture is the beginning of a

1:16:361:16:40

process where we can put them on

trial, we can understand more of

1:16:401:16:45

their motives, and hopefully draw an

end to this terrible saga that has

1:16:451:16:48

gripped Syria for the last few

years, the end of Isis.

Was it cells

1:16:481:16:58

like that, the hangings and

beheadings of people like Jihadi

1:16:581:17:02

John that made you give of your

career to go and fight against Isis?

1:17:021:17:07

Absolutely it was. I was sitting at

my desk in London and watching the

1:17:071:17:11

events on Sinjar mountains, the

thousands of refugees flooding

1:17:111:17:15

there, starving and dying of thirst

on the mountain and the images of

1:17:151:17:18

thousands of young girls being sold

into slavery. And to top it all off,

1:17:181:17:23

the terrible images of the

journalists and humanitarian workers

1:17:231:17:27

being butchered by people with the

same accent as me, fellow countrymen

1:17:271:17:31

from Britain, and dizzy also that

Britain and America at the time did

1:17:311:17:35

not have a plan to get rid of Isis

really drove me to explore who other

1:17:351:17:38

groups on the ground, who will

inherit Syria and drive forward a

1:17:381:17:45

peaceful solution to this crisis.

These people are absolutely will the

1:17:451:17:50

reason I went out on hundreds of

other Brits and Americans went out

1:17:501:17:54

too to fight them.

Did you get any

sense when you were out there of why

1:17:541:17:58

these British men joined IS, why

they wanted to fight for the cause?

1:17:581:18:05

Well, over the years I've seen is in

terrible things from Isis. The

1:18:051:18:10

brutality of Isis is best seen up

close, because it's very easy to be

1:18:101:18:15

distant from this conflict, and I

almost feel it is not part of our

1:18:151:18:19

problem, but by going over there,

some of the things I saw,

1:18:191:18:22

particularly on their mobile phones,

the brutality to local people, the

1:18:221:18:25

war crimes they committed, these

people had free rein in Syria, they

1:18:251:18:31

must have felt liberated from the

constraints of a society in the UK

1:18:311:18:35

and in Europe where they felt

totally alien from. They went there

1:18:351:18:40

to really do what they like, they

did the most terrible things to the

1:18:401:18:44

local people, and now I think the

chickens have come home to roost.

1:18:441:18:48

They have made their bed and they

are going to lie in it and been

1:18:481:18:51

arrested by the YPG and if the Brits

want them to stand trial here then

1:18:511:18:55

they must request them and they will

send them across, or they will stand

1:18:551:18:59

trial in Syria.

The Home Office has

warned that anyone joining the

1:18:591:19:03

Syrian conflict on whatever side can

be prosecuted for crimes committed

1:19:031:19:08

abroad, and some people would say

that what you did was wrong, was

1:19:081:19:11

foolhardy, and potentially illegal.

Well, it's not a legal. The law for

1:19:111:19:18

those fighting against terrorists

and joining literally the people's

1:19:181:19:24

protection units, the YPG command

YPG is not listed on terrorist

1:19:241:19:31

databases, the area is open to

interpretation and there is

1:19:311:19:34

obviously a moral argument and I do

my best to talk to people and tell

1:19:341:19:36

them I went there to support the

local people, the true victims of

1:19:361:19:40

the Islamic State, and those

fighting to liberate their own

1:19:401:19:43

country. I've always said the same

thing, people who are going to

1:19:431:19:46

defeat Isis and build a long-term

solution to the Syrian crisis, they

1:19:461:19:50

exist already, they are the YPG, the

MFS, the SDF, the Syrian Democratic

1:19:501:19:56

Forces, bringing secular democratic

values, which we in the West should

1:19:561:20:01

support. I've always been very clear

on my opinion about what is going on

1:20:011:20:06

there.

Macer Gifford, thank you for

joining us. Martin Campbell has been

1:20:061:20:09

listening to that. I know that you

support the families of British

1:20:091:20:12

people who have lost loved ones to

IS. How important is the news today

1:20:121:20:19

that these two men who are part of

this notorious IS Selt who are

1:20:191:20:22

British have been captured?

1:20:221:20:28

British have been captured? -- cell.

It brings up emotions for the

1:20:281:20:32

families who have lost their loved

ones fighting against Isis, and I

1:20:321:20:36

like to pay tribute to Nicolas who

very eloquently details his desire

1:20:361:20:41

to see these men brought to justice.

I think justice is absolutely the

1:20:411:20:46

thing that we need to be focusing on

today. I think we really need to

1:20:461:20:52

pressurise the British government to

seek extradition of these two

1:20:521:20:57

British men to bring them back to

the UK so they face justice, and not

1:20:571:21:04

to be prosecuting people like Macer

Gifford and criminalising the people

1:21:041:21:06

who have gone over to fight against

Isis. We have our first British case

1:21:061:21:13

of the British government just a few

days ago bringing a case against a

1:21:131:21:18

British national, who very

inspiration for going out to Syria

1:21:181:21:21

to fight against Isis was indeed

these two British jihadists cutting

1:21:211:21:27

off James Foley's head.

Has been

speculation that the British

1:21:271:21:31

government will strip these two men

of their British citizenship and

1:21:311:21:35

then it is not clear what happens to

them but you say it is critical that

1:21:351:21:38

they come back to this country to

get justice and to get information

1:21:381:21:41

if nothing else.

To get information

and for Nicholas to get justice and

1:21:411:21:45

James Foley's mother to get justice.

I think what we will find is the

1:21:451:21:50

British government are very

reluctant to bring two men home.

1:21:501:21:55

Why? Because they are closer in

terms of geopolitics to Turkey and

1:21:551:22:03

it is Turkey who have been

supporting Isis during the conflict,

1:22:031:22:08

and the British government is

supporting Turkey attacking the

1:22:081:22:12

Kurds. Last night they began bombing

civilians in a Kurdish city, so this

1:22:121:22:19

British government will find this

uncomfortable because they choose a

1:22:191:22:22

closer relationship with Turkey,

they are more concerned with their

1:22:221:22:27

arms sales to Turkey than bringing

justice for people like Nicolas.

1:22:271:22:32

Mark, thank you for coming in to

speak to us today.

1:22:321:22:35

Still to come -

1:22:351:22:35

US government shuts down

for the second time in three weeks

1:22:351:22:38

as Congress fails to vote

on the budget.

1:22:381:22:40

We get the latest on the

situation before 10:30am.

1:22:401:22:45

This week was tipped as the coldest

week of the year in Britain,

1:22:451:22:49

with widespread snow

and temperatures dropping as low

1:22:491:22:53

as -6 in some places,

but spare a thought for those

1:22:531:22:56

competing in the Winter Olympics,

where it's expected to drop

1:22:561:22:59

as low as -20.

1:22:591:23:04

Organisers are worried about those

attending the ceremony which starts

1:23:041:23:07

in less than an hour, as the stadium

has not got a roof.

1:23:071:23:12

You'd think Winter Olympians

would be ready to deal

1:23:121:23:14

with freezing conditions,

but when it's that cold athletes

1:23:141:23:16

can really suffer.

1:23:161:23:17

To find out just how cold it

could get, Simon King is with us

1:23:171:23:20

from the BBC Weather Centre.

1:23:201:23:22

And so is Richard Brennan,

a sports scientist, who knows

1:23:221:23:24

a lot about how the cold

will impact the competitors.

1:23:241:23:28

Thank you for joining us. Simon,

first of all. -10, how cold is that?

1:23:281:23:40

We were talking to a former British

skier earlier on, Chemmy Alcott, and

1:23:401:23:47

she said they can have big snow

suits on, if skiing down an Alpine

1:23:471:23:50

mountain it is skins with nothing

underneath, so that's so cold.

It is

1:23:501:23:54

cold and the only way I can describe

it because I've never experienced it

1:23:541:23:58

that love is your freezer at home is

-18 Celsius. Imagine that, I guess,

1:23:581:24:04

and you'd want to wear a big thick

coat to keep yourself warm in that.

1:24:041:24:09

They have a lot less to wear. The

last time we had daytime

1:24:091:24:15

temperatures in the UK of -10 -11

was back in 2010 in Northern

1:24:151:24:20

Ireland. The lowest recorded

temperature in the UK is -27, so

1:24:201:24:24

obviously we can get that cold. But

obviously not many of us experience

1:24:241:24:29

that cold.

Richard, what does it do

to an athlete's body who is at the

1:24:291:24:35

peak of their physical fitness and

they need to compete and this is the

1:24:351:24:38

big thing in their life and they

have these conditions to content

1:24:381:24:41

with?

Ambient temperatures will

affect soft tissue, ligaments,

1:24:411:24:45

tendons, muscle, and affect the way

the body moves and the way the

1:24:451:24:49

athlete has to prepare, it will

affect their warm up. If they are

1:24:491:24:53

not prepared properly it's going to

affect the economy of movement, the

1:24:531:24:56

speed of movement and also cognitive

function.

So, decision-making?

1:24:561:25:03

Decision-making, exactly.

That is a

worry if hurtling down a mountain,

1:25:031:25:10

snowboarding or whatever, because

you need to make split-second

1:25:101:25:13

decisions. It also affects the way

you act upon these decisions. Risk

1:25:131:25:18

of injury is increased, severity of

injury is increased, as well.

1:25:181:25:21

Anything from acute injuries like

sprains, strains, dislocations,

1:25:211:25:25

fractures, concussion, those are

more likely to occur.

So, do they

1:25:251:25:32

change the way they prepare? Can you

change your training regime to

1:25:321:25:37

account for this?

The team directors

have known it was going to be pretty

1:25:371:25:40

cold for a long time and would have

made adjustments. I think what we

1:25:401:25:44

will see is those athletes who are

more conditioned to withstand these

1:25:441:25:49

cold temperatures, they have perhaps

been brought up in these, they may

1:25:491:25:53

see less of an effect from the cold

temperature. But remember, these

1:25:531:26:01

athletes have been training for four

years for this event and they will

1:26:021:26:05

be straining every sinew in order to

try and get that extra margin above

1:26:051:26:10

their competitors. When they are

straining every sinew and when they

1:26:101:26:13

are operating this close to the edge

that's when serious injuries can

1:26:131:26:17

occur.

As we have seen because one

of our competitors already had to

1:26:171:26:22

drop out. Simon, the opening

ceremony is less than an hour away.

1:26:221:26:25

Sadly for the people in that stadium

there is no roof and I know that

1:26:251:26:29

lots of people are saying that their

athletes will not be at the opening

1:26:291:26:32

ceremony because it will be so cold.

The US athletes will have heeded

1:26:321:26:39

jackets, one solution I guess, how

cold will it be's extremely cold,

1:26:391:26:44

the Timber Joey inventory for

Pyeongchang is 0 degrees, the

1:26:441:26:47

daytime maximum -- the temperature

in Pyeongchang.

Below is -10 but

1:26:471:26:53

this week they have had -20 at

night, so it's been exceptionally

1:26:531:26:56

cold, more than 10 degrees colder

than average. In the last 24 hours

1:26:561:27:00

we have had slightly less cold air

moving in the server temperatures

1:27:001:27:04

have risen slightly. So, for the

opening ceremony it is -1 minus two

1:27:041:27:10

Celsius. It is not the bitterly cold

conditions we have had. -- so the

1:27:101:27:19

temperatures have risen. Saturday

into Sunday colder air from China

1:27:191:27:22

will come down, from Russia, sorry,

coming back south and temperatures

1:27:221:27:26

will drop away again. Wind-chill is

another thing to think about,

1:27:261:27:30

because while you could say the

temperature is -12, -14, if it is

1:27:301:27:34

dry and sunny that may not feel

quite as bad. But you add on the

1:27:341:27:39

wind of 30 mph and it will feel more

like about -25, -26 degrees. Basta

1:27:391:27:51

concerned as we go through Sunday

into Monday.

Thank you ever so much.

1:27:511:27:53

We are less than an hour away from

that. Coverage of the Winter

1:27:531:27:56

Olympics across the BBC, meaning

this programme will not be on BBC

1:27:561:28:00

Two next week but you can find us as

ever on the BBC News Channel. Still

1:28:001:28:04

to come, we meet a baby born at just

34 weeks with his intestines

1:28:041:28:11

developing outside of his body. We

can hear from his parents and his

1:28:111:28:14

consultant after 10:30am. A new hope

for preserving the fertility of

1:28:141:28:22

girls having cancer treatment as

researchers at the University of

1:28:221:28:26

Edinburgh grow human eggs in a

laboratory for the first time. Time

1:28:261:28:33

for the latest news with Ben Brown.

1:28:331:28:36

Two British extremists,

believed to be members of one

1:28:361:28:38

of the so-called Islamic State

group's most notorious cells,

1:28:381:28:40

have been captured by Syrian Kurdish

fighters in Syria -

1:28:401:28:43

according to US officials.

1:28:431:28:46

They were part of a unit comprising

of four men from London,

1:28:461:28:52

who became known as The Beatles

because of their British accents.

1:28:521:28:54

The US State Department said

they beheaded more than 27 Western

1:28:541:28:57

hostages and tortured many more.

1:28:571:29:01

The sister of the North Korean

leader, Kim Jong-un,

1:29:011:29:05

has arrived in South Korea as part

of a delegation attending

1:29:051:29:08

the opening ceremony

of the Winter Olympics.

1:29:081:29:12

The visit by Kim Yo-jong marks

the first time a member of the Kim

1:29:121:29:15

dynasty has visited the south

since the Korean War.

1:29:151:29:17

Key US government agencies have

shut down for the second

1:29:171:29:20

time in three weeks.

1:29:201:29:21

The Senate failed to vote

on a budget deal before

1:29:211:29:23

a midnight deadline,

after a republican senator demanded

1:29:231:29:27

a last-minute ammendment.

1:29:271:29:32

For the temporary shutdown to end,

the spending deal must be passed

1:29:321:29:35

in both the Senate and the House

of Representatives and then

1:29:351:29:37

signed by the President.

1:29:371:29:38

Researchers at Edinburgh University

have grown human eggs in

1:29:381:29:41

the laboratory for the first time.

1:29:411:29:42

Scientists removed egg cells

from ovary tissue at their earliest

1:29:421:29:44

stage of development,

and matured them to the point

1:29:441:29:47

they were ready for fertilisation.

1:29:471:29:51

The team say their findings

could lead to new ways

1:29:511:29:53

of preserving women's fertility.

1:29:531:30:01

The European premiere of Marvel's

newest super hero film,

1:30:071:30:09

Black Panther, took place

in London last night.

1:30:091:30:11

It is the first film to focus

on black characters from the comics

1:30:111:30:14

and has also received praise

for its portrayal of strong

1:30:141:30:16

female characters.

1:30:161:30:17

That's a summary of

the latest BBC News.

1:30:171:30:22

Back to you, Chloe Fulford top

1:30:221:30:24

Here's some sport now with Hugh.

1:30:241:30:27

Bad news ahead of the start

of the Winter Olympics for Team GB.

1:30:271:30:30

Freestyle snowboarder

Katie Ormerod says she's 'gutted'

1:30:301:30:32

after being ruled out of the Games.

1:30:321:30:34

The 20-year-old has had surgery

after breaking her heel

1:30:341:30:36

in a training crash.

1:30:361:30:44

She has had two screws in Saturday

will be in hospital for a week.

1:30:461:30:52

She'll miss the opening

ceremony in Pyeongchang.

1:30:521:30:53

It starts at 11 o'clock and you can

watch Lizzie Yarnold lead

1:30:531:30:56

out TeamGB on BBC One,

the red button and the

1:30:561:30:59

BBC Sport website.

1:30:591:31:00

In football, the former Scotland

manager Walter Smith won't be taking

1:31:001:31:02

on the job for a second time.

1:31:021:31:04

He was favourite to replace

Gordon Strachen but he's

1:31:041:31:06

ruled himself out.

1:31:061:31:07

Riyad Mahrez's feud with

Leicester City looks to be over.

1:31:071:31:10

He's set to train with the squad

today, for the first time

1:31:101:31:13

since a move to Manchester City

fell through last month.

1:31:131:31:15

He's effectively been on strike

since Leicester rejected a deal

1:31:151:31:18

of around £50 million.

1:31:181:31:25

That is all the sport. I will be

back after 11. The US government has

1:31:251:31:33

shut down for a second time. Last

month many public services closed

1:31:331:31:39

for three days because of the

dispute as future funding was not

1:31:391:31:44

secure. It has an impact on

thousands of adults brought into the

1:31:441:31:53

country as illegal immigrants as

children. There was an original deal

1:31:531:31:58

allowing many to stay in the United

States. Let's be a representative of

1:31:581:32:05

Republicans overseas.

1:32:051:32:11

And Heyra Avila who is the daughter

of illegal migrants

1:32:131:32:15

who brought her into the USA

when she was four years old.

1:32:151:32:22

Thank you all for coming in to see

us. First of all, Karen, can you

1:32:221:32:28

explain to people watching, what

does the US government shutdown

1:32:281:32:32

mean?

It is confusing. What it

sounds like a lot of government

1:32:321:32:37

services. Functioning. That does not

mean every single worker from the

1:32:371:32:40

federal government will stay at

home. Social Security checks will

1:32:401:32:45

still be sent out but things like

National parks could be at risk from

1:32:451:32:49

shutting down. A lot of

administrative services. Things like

1:32:491:32:52

the energy Department, some of their

staff. The longer it goes on, the

1:32:521:33:00

more staff would have to be away

from work. They would have to have

1:33:001:33:04

no pay. Hundreds of thousands of

people would not be receiving a

1:33:041:33:08

salary for that period. It is

something we take extremely

1:33:081:33:11

seriously and we do want to deliver

that service to Americans.

Just

1:33:111:33:16

explain to people watching, why

hasn't an agreement being reached?

1:33:161:33:21

It is typical negotiating. The

Democrats have tried to inject the

1:33:211:33:26

dreamers legislation into budget

negotiations. That was the setback

1:33:261:33:30

three weeks ago which shut the

Government down. It is typical

1:33:301:33:34

negotiating. It will never be

perfect for everyone. In the budget

1:33:341:33:38

that was passed by the Senate a few

hours ago, I think it was very good

1:33:381:33:42

for Republicans. The Democrats got

some of the things they needed. As

1:33:421:33:47

long as the budget process continues

today and is signed by President

1:33:471:33:53

Trump, we should have an agreement

by the end of the day. I don't think

1:33:531:33:56

there will be a meaningful

government shutdown. Essentially

1:33:561:33:59

not.

Just explain, a dreamer

essentially someone who was brought

1:33:591:34:09

into the United States as a child.

There is no documentation but you go

1:34:091:34:14

to US schools, you become enriched

in the culture. To all intents and

1:34:141:34:18

purposes you see yourself as an

American citizen. The Democrats were

1:34:181:34:23

wanted to include your protection,

essentially, in these negotiations.

1:34:231:34:28

Has not been successful. How are you

feeling right now? -- that has not

1:34:281:34:34

been successful.

I am feeling very

disappointed it had to come to this

1:34:341:34:38

point. The fact it has come to this

point and people are reacting.

1:34:381:34:43

Dukkah came to be about five years

ago. Five years too late. We have

1:34:431:34:49

been fighting for this for years.

Seeing it now at this point is

1:34:491:34:54

disappointing and saddening.

Honestly, I feel the dream.

1:34:541:35:03

Honestly, I feel the dream.

You say

Daca, it was a protection put into

1:35:061:35:10

place by President Obama and

rescinded by President Trump last

1:35:101:35:13

year. How did you come to the United

States and the challenges of being

1:35:131:35:20

someone without documentation in

your country?

I crossed the border

1:35:201:35:24

with my parents when I was just four

years old. We cross the desert. I

1:35:241:35:29

don't remember much because I was

four. I do remember that mum and I,

1:35:291:35:37

I was

1:35:371:35:42

I was one of only children, I had

the privilege of sleeping in a car.

1:35:421:35:47

Entering the United States at such a

young age was a culture shock. I had

1:35:471:35:52

to learn English. In the United

States no one looked like me at the

1:35:521:35:55

time. It was scary to be here and

not knowing what I was going to do,

1:35:551:35:59

who I was going to start interacting

with. I think I led a pretty normal

1:35:591:36:06

life. At the same time a really

different life from my mum and

1:36:061:36:10

peers. I did not always know why

until I started to ask questions and

1:36:101:36:15

then I started reading up on what

undocumented meant. It definitely

1:36:151:36:19

had a huge impact on me.

What does

it mean in practical terms?

Not

1:36:191:36:25

having a social means that you

cannot get a driver 's license. It

1:36:251:36:30

means you cannot work legally since

you don't have the proper

1:36:301:36:33

documentation. For some it means

they can't go to college. If they

1:36:331:36:37

finish a degree they can't get a

job. They feel they worked so hard

1:36:371:36:42

to get a degree. It means you cannot

live a normal life. You always have

1:36:421:36:46

to live under the shadows, live in

fear of deportation. Living in

1:36:461:36:51

really everyday fear of not knowing

what will happen to you or your

1:36:511:36:53

family.

Can you understand why she

feels let down by the Democrats?

I

1:36:531:37:02

completely understand why she feels

disturbed and upset. She is right to

1:37:021:37:08

feel so. This is a problem we need

to solve the country need to solve

1:37:081:37:12

it urgently. That is why the

Democrats shut down the Government a

1:37:121:37:15

few weeks ago and when we still have

not stopped fighting for it. There

1:37:151:37:19

is a lot going on right now. We have

not passed the budget in the Has.

1:37:191:37:26

There was an eight hour speech last

night which was extraordinary,

1:37:261:37:29

demanding that there be a clean bill

on Daca to support this immediately.

1:37:291:37:35

It is important to talk about how we

got where we are. The reason why she

1:37:351:37:42

feels in threat now, the programme

that the setup when President Obama

1:37:421:37:47

setup to protect dreamers was

abolished by President Trump or that

1:37:471:37:51

it is purely punitive. It was

abolished in people who are

1:37:511:37:55

protected under that programmers

start to be deported on the of

1:37:551:37:59

March. That is when their business

will be invalidated. There is no

1:37:591:38:03

reason for that to happen. That is

why we have had to bring this

1:38:031:38:08

conversation into the budget

negotiation. It is not necessarily

1:38:081:38:13

budget conversation. There is an

urgency which is unsuccessful.

Do

1:38:131:38:17

you think she should be able to stay

in the United States?

Absolutely. It

1:38:171:38:24

is a shame it has taken this long to

get something permanent.

It is not

1:38:241:38:28

sorted, is it?

Republicans can fix

it right now. I am very confident

1:38:281:38:35

they will. The deadlines that the

president said is much the fifth. We

1:38:351:38:39

did not want to tie it into the

budget because it is completely

1:38:391:38:43

unrelated to budget negotiations. I

think it will be approved today, as

1:38:431:38:47

I mentioned earlier. Then we will

get to Daca and I think it will be

1:38:471:38:52

resolved. There is no doubt the

Republican Party wants it to be

1:38:521:38:55

resolved.

There is enormous doubt

that the Republican Party wants it

1:38:551:38:59

to be resolved.

The party has

different elements. Most of the

1:38:591:39:04

party is very pro-immigration. It

might not be pro-illegal immigration

1:39:041:39:09

but, by no means, does anybody want

to criticise the dreamers. And the

1:39:091:39:15

attention is -- intention is to get

it down and get it done quickly.

1:39:151:39:19

They were pushing for 800,000. Now

that the Republican administration

1:39:191:39:27

and Congress is talking over a

million that is very good news for

1:39:271:39:31

the dreamers and for the country.

We

had a resolution for this country.

1:39:311:39:37

We had a resolution on the table a

few weeks ago. We had a bipartisan

1:39:371:39:42

proposal because she waited by the

Republicans and Democrats. Donald

1:39:421:39:45

Trump said he would not accept it.

Then Donald Trump came back with a

1:39:451:39:50

ridiculous proposal that he would

only protect the dreamers when they

1:39:501:39:55

ended a legal immigration.

1:39:551:40:01

ended a legal immigration.

With all

due respect, I appreciate the fact

1:40:031:40:05

you brought in the 1.8 million and

said how that was great. You also

1:40:051:40:09

failed to mention the other

addition. He wants to bring in more

1:40:091:40:18

rates. It is making a deal with the

devil, I think. If we don't keep

1:40:181:40:24

fighting for comprehensive

immigration reform, Donald Trump and

1:40:241:40:26

the Republicans will continue to set

their own values. They say they

1:40:261:40:32

protect dreamers and Daca students.

I promise you I will keep fighting

1:40:321:40:37

for comprehensive immigration reform

and stopping separation of families.

1:40:371:40:41

That is what we deserve because we

are humans.

Thank you they much for

1:40:411:40:45

joining us on the programme.

1:40:451:40:49

Gemma Whitbread and her partner,

Lyle Gornall, were devastated

1:40:491:40:52

to discover their baby was growing

with his intestines

1:40:521:40:54

outside his body.

1:40:541:40:55

After getting through the high-risk

pregnancy, baby Connor was born

1:40:551:40:57

at 34 weeks and doctors immediately

wrapped his intestines

1:40:571:40:59

in cling film to protect it.

1:40:591:41:01

They spent the next 11 weeks

using a specially designed sling

1:41:011:41:03

to ease them back in using gravity.

1:41:031:41:06

Despite the risks, the procedure

was a success and Connor

1:41:061:41:08

was released from hospital this

time last week.

1:41:081:41:16

We can hear him gurgling. He is

completely gorgeous. Hallow, little

1:41:161:41:20

man. Look at him.

How old is he now?

11 weeks.

Just over 11 weeks.

How is

1:41:201:41:28

he doing? Really well. He is feeding

really well. A little bit grumpy at

1:41:281:41:33

the moment. I think he is probably

starting to get a bit hungry. Did

1:41:331:41:37

you think you would have this day?

No. It was a long time.

It felt like

1:41:371:41:43

a lot longer than it was. At what

point did you realise there was a

1:41:431:41:48

problem?

12 weeks ago. 12 weeks ago.

At the 12 week scan they did an

1:41:481:41:54

ultrasound. They sent someone else

in to have a look. They said to us

1:41:541:41:58

we would have to see a specialist

because of a hole in his stomach. We

1:41:581:42:02

were a bit scared foot as was coming

for their scans. We walked out

1:42:021:42:07

crying, thinking the worst. I wanted

to go onto Google to see what it

1:42:071:42:15

was. The worst thing to do.

Definitely, the worst thing to do.

1:42:151:42:19

We thought he would be all right. It

was quite difficult. Scans in and

1:42:191:42:27

out to check if it was OK.

It was

quite hard. They wanted to monitor

1:42:271:42:33

him constantly. Everything was done

pretty much by the same person who

1:42:331:42:38

scanned him every time.

He was born

34 weeks. As he was born, give us a

1:42:381:42:45

sense, how large where his

intestines?

Quite large we have

1:42:451:42:48

quite few pictures. Literally

covering his whole body. Quite

1:42:481:42:53

shocking how it went back into his

tiny body.

We do have these

1:42:531:42:58

pictures. We will show them. It

might be quite pressing for people.

1:42:581:43:03

It gives you a sense of just the

miracle of this. So, I want to bring

1:43:031:43:15

in Kate, the consultant surgeon at

great Ormond Street Hospital you are

1:43:151:43:18

probably best place to explain to

us, what on earth do you do? Are you

1:43:181:43:23

ever had a situation like this

before?

Yes, we see one or to macro

1:43:231:43:30

children every month. It is that

common? It is not common overall. It

1:43:301:43:35

happens in about one in every 3000

pregnancies. Because we are a

1:43:351:43:40

specialist hospital we see more than

other places might do.

You wrapped

1:43:401:43:44

the intestines in clingfilm?

When he

was born the maternity unit will

1:43:441:43:49

wrap them in clingfilm to keep it

warm and moist. He is stabilised and

1:43:491:43:55

transferred so we can make plans to

get everything back inside the

1:43:551:43:59

tummy, either straightway all over

time, which is what we had to do

1:43:591:44:03

here.

Were you able to see it

happening question over a period of

1:44:031:44:08

time per did you start to notice

Chris Rock we did start to notice it

1:44:081:44:11

going in slowly.

-- did you start to

notice? I thought it would be about

1:44:111:44:19

a month.

Another month later. We

would get to each different state.

1:44:191:44:24

Some days he would be puffy than

others. In his incubator can you

1:44:241:44:29

cannot touch or get close.

How much

physical contact could you have?

Not

1:44:291:44:34

much at all. We did not hold him

properly until about six weeks.

That

1:44:341:44:40

is tough, isn't it? Because you want

to have the bonding. Did you ever

1:44:401:44:45

have any difficulty with no, no.

Not

at all. I held him for about a

1:44:451:44:51

minute when he was born. After that

it was holding him on a pillow. He

1:44:511:44:55

had to lay straight Kersey had a

silo bagful Seb it is quite

1:44:551:45:00

difficult.

When the intestines had

gone back inside, it was a case of

1:45:001:45:10

an operation and monitoring.

It is

quite complicated. There was so much

1:45:101:45:15

bow outside the tummy and he was

very small. There was not the space

1:45:151:45:20

for everything to going

straightaway. -- bowel. We made the

1:45:201:45:25

silo tailored for him with the mesh

on either side. Over the course of

1:45:251:45:31

one day under a month we were able

to get everything back inside and

1:45:311:45:34

take him back to the operating

theatre.

Would you have any idea

1:45:341:45:41

now? Is there any difference or

lasting consequences or impacts from

1:45:411:45:45

this?

There is a cigar, obviously.

That does not matter, does it? That

1:45:451:45:51

does not mean anything.

1:45:511:45:58

does not mean anything.

My children

would never have behaved this well.

1:45:581:46:02

He has been very brave. What impact

did it have on your relationship? It

1:46:021:46:08

must have been really tough.

We were

stressed in getting out each other a

1:46:081:46:12

bit.

It is hard because you have to

deal with the stress of seeing

1:46:121:46:16

Conner the way a gem of the way she

was.

He was trying to be strong for

1:46:161:46:25

me -- Gemma. Trying to do with it

that way. It definitely made us

1:46:251:46:30

stronger, 100%. You realise you can

get through anything if you stick

1:46:301:46:33

together. We have done really well.

He has been phenomenal. And it did

1:46:331:46:39

bring out the romantic side in you?

Can you explain

1:46:391:46:48

oh, yeah.

APPLAUSE

1:47:001:47:05

That is clearly a proposal. This is

the card. Explained the card.

I went

1:47:071:47:13

out the night before and I was in

the doghouse anyway so I thought if

1:47:131:47:19

I got Connor to ask rather than me

she would definitely say yes. It was

1:47:191:47:25

really difficult and I was nervous

and things like that, I had a tiny

1:47:251:47:29

time space from when she went to the

toilet to come back to get the

1:47:291:47:33

nurses in on everything and say,

look, I'm going to do this and calm

1:47:331:47:37

everyone down and film it and I had

a card that said money, will you

1:47:371:47:43

marry daddy?

The nurses were

obviously there are applauding in

1:47:431:47:45

the background.

It was good.

It's

perfect, you've got your little boy

1:47:451:47:51

home and you are engaged,

incredible. Thank you so much for

1:47:511:47:55

coming in. You are a wonderful

little man, I might have to have a

1:47:551:48:01

little cuddle.

The nurses and

doctors at Great Ormond Street don't

1:48:011:48:05

get enough credit, they were amazing

and made us feel so much better.

1:48:051:48:08

They made us feel we were at home.

They made us feel that we were at

1:48:081:48:12

home and now we are really at home

it is even better.

Thank you for

1:48:121:48:16

coming in and sharing your story.

Joe Neville will make history by

1:48:161:48:24

becoming the first female referee to

referee a top-flight rugby match in

1:48:241:48:29

the UK. Shall take charge of the

match between Ulster and Southern

1:48:291:48:33

Kings in Belfast tonight. This is

the remarkable story of her journey

1:48:331:48:36

into top-flight refereeing.

1:48:361:48:39

I rang a gentleman, very

high up in the rugby

1:48:391:48:41

circles, and I said,

"Look, I just want your opinion

1:48:411:48:43

on something, one question...

1:48:431:48:44

Do you think it's possible

for a female to referee

1:48:441:48:47

the Division 1A in Ireland?"

1:48:471:48:49

Thet's top level in Ireland.

1:48:491:48:50

He said, "Joy, not in my lifetime".

1:48:501:48:52

And that for me, I was in.

1:48:521:48:56

Probably I was a bit

naive to the magnitude

1:48:561:49:00

of the award, to be honest.

1:49:001:49:03

I didn't expect the reaction

at all that I received.

1:49:031:49:06

Yeah, look, it's been amazing.

1:49:061:49:09

I never decided to become a referee,

and let's just put that out

1:49:101:49:16

there because I never even

contemplate it, it didn't

1:49:161:49:19

even cross my mind.

1:49:191:49:20

I was plagued by a good

friend, Dave McHugh,

1:49:201:49:22

he was a referee manager.

1:49:221:49:23

I said, "Not a hope,

no interest whatsoever,

1:49:231:49:25

I don't even know why you're

approaching me about refereeing".

1:49:251:49:29

I played, I dedicated 11 years

to international rugby

1:49:291:49:31

and I just wanted...

1:49:311:49:32

Your priorities change.

1:49:321:49:37

I met my partner at the time,

I wanted to enjoy the

1:49:371:49:39

little things in life.

1:49:391:49:41

I said, "Look, give me nine months

and come back to me".

1:49:411:49:43

He rang me, nearly on the day

of nine months, and I said,

1:49:431:49:46

"Right, we mean business".

1:49:461:49:48

I'd say it took me a good 6-9

months to properly enjoy

1:49:481:49:50

refereeing, even longer.

1:49:501:49:52

I remember I went to the 2014

World Cup, after I retired,

1:49:521:49:55

to support the girls

and Helen O'Reilly was refereeing

1:49:551:49:57

in that World Cup in France.

1:49:571:49:59

I agreed three more months

and something clicked.

1:49:591:50:02

I'm extremely competitive,

and I suppose as an ex-international

1:50:021:50:06

player, I knew what level I wanted

to be at and I wasn't at it.

1:50:061:50:10

I strive for that perfect

performance, and I suppose it

1:50:101:50:13

minimised the enjoyment level.

1:50:131:50:15

I think it was the moment that

I realised mistakes happen.

1:50:151:50:21

I don't really see

myself as a trailblazer.

1:50:231:50:27

People say to me and I get quite

embarrassed, but it's lovely,

1:50:271:50:31

it's lovely, I've a lot of support

and it's a nice feeling.

1:50:311:50:34

It's more kind of educating,

and I think it's more

1:50:341:50:37

the older generation,

to the fact that you can go out

1:50:371:50:40

there, it doesn't make a difference

of the gender of the personal

1:50:401:50:45

there, it doesn't make a difference

of the gender of the person

1:50:451:50:48

in the middle, it's just

about the job being done.

1:50:481:50:50

Often, the little stories of coming

into clubs and,

1:50:501:50:52

"Oh, you're here to referee

the third division men's game?"

1:50:521:50:55

I'm like, "No, I'm actually

here to ref the division One".

1:50:551:50:57

They're like, "Oh, will you be able

to keep up with the pace of play?"

1:50:571:51:01

You know, I don't get defensive.

1:51:011:51:02

Nine times out of ten,

they come up afterwards,

1:51:021:51:05

those people and those older men,

will come up afterwards,

1:51:051:51:05

Give it a chance, don't look

for the perfect game,

1:51:071:51:10

because it will take

from the enjoyment aspect of things.

1:51:101:51:12

Understand that it's

all about the players,

1:51:121:51:15

it's not about the referee and it's

about the referee being in the best

1:51:151:51:18

physical and mental state.

1:51:181:51:20

I always strive to remain anonymous,

I think it's very important.

1:51:201:51:22

And in order to remain anonymous,

you have to get the right calls.

1:51:221:51:30

To be involved in the Six Nations,

men's fixtures, an official

1:51:301:51:34

on the line would be

a dream come true.

1:51:341:51:36

And whether that's achievable,

I don't know, but I'll try.

1:51:361:51:44

Big day for her. There has been a

fertility breakthrough as

1:51:451:51:49

researchers at Edinburgh University

have successfully grown human eggs

1:51:491:51:52

in a lab for the very first time.

Egg cells were removed from ovary

1:51:521:51:57

tissue at the earliest stages of

development and grown to the point

1:51:571:52:00

where they were ready for

fertilisation. This could

1:52:001:52:03

potentially help future fertility

treatments.

1:52:031:52:05

Let's talk to Professor Evelyn

Telfer who is the lead researcher

1:52:051:52:08

at the University of Edinburgh.

1:52:081:52:09

And Kate Dobb who has

survived cancer.

1:52:091:52:11

She was left infertile yet

now has two children.

1:52:111:52:16

Thank you for joining us. I want to

start with you, Professor Evelyn

1:52:161:52:28

Telfer, this was taking eggs and

growing them in a laboratory?

Yes,

1:52:281:52:32

we took ovarian tissue, very small

pieces of ovarian tissue that

1:52:321:52:37

contains many of the immature eggs,

when the eggs are at the earliest

1:52:371:52:42

stage, and these eggs could be in

the human ovary for more than 40 to

1:52:421:52:48

50 years before they start to grow.

So, clearly in young women there are

1:52:481:52:55

many of these eggs and we activated

them to grow within the culture

1:52:551:53:00

dishes in the lab and got them to a

certain point, which we could then

1:53:001:53:03

change the conditions and eventually

we have been able to get them to a

1:53:031:53:06

point that is quite similar to the

stage that they would be ovulated

1:53:061:53:10

at, so they would be mature eggs.

Said this could be significant, for

1:53:101:53:15

example, if a young child was going

through chemotherapy, or something

1:53:151:53:19

like that, this could potentially

help them for the future?

Obviously

1:53:191:53:24

this is very early stages and we

need to do a lot of work to improve

1:53:241:53:27

the system and to test the quality

and the safety of these in vitro

1:53:271:53:35

grown eggs. But currently very young

girls are having tissue, ovarian

1:53:351:53:42

tissue stored, before they undergo

chemotherapy. They don't have many

1:53:421:53:45

options of what they can do with

that tissue. The only option is that

1:53:451:53:50

it can be transplanted back in at a

later date and that might not be

1:53:501:53:54

suitable for everyone. So if this is

shown to be safe and we get healthy

1:53:541:54:00

eggs potentially it could have a

clinical application in those cases

1:54:001:54:06

in particular.

Let's bring indicate,

because I know you were diagnosed

1:54:061:54:09

with cancer when you were ten and

your chemotherapy left you

1:54:091:54:13

infertile, which must be

devastating. You have survived the

1:54:131:54:16

cancer but something has been taken

away from you?

Absolutely. I think

1:54:161:54:21

things have changed now from when I

was initially diagnosed back in

1:54:211:54:27

1987. The focus was very much on

survival, but as more and more

1:54:271:54:30

people survive cancer quality of

life for cancer survivors is more of

1:54:301:54:36

a focus and fertility is a really,

really important part of that.

1:54:361:54:40

Anything that gives cancer patients

more options of having a family is

1:54:401:54:45

amazing.

And it hasn't stopped you

having a family but it has made it a

1:54:451:54:49

more difficult route, hasn't it?

Yeah, I got my happy ending, I'm

1:54:491:54:54

really lucky, I have three-year-old

twins, my sister donated eggs and my

1:54:541:54:58

friend who I met through surrogacy

UK carried them for me so I'm really

1:54:581:55:05

lucky Commander proud mum.

We can

see them in a picture behind you

1:55:051:55:10

when they were first born.

Incredible for you. But very

1:55:101:55:14

important for young girls to have

this option in the future. Clearly

1:55:141:55:18

it's not something that will

immediately go through a parent's

1:55:181:55:22

mind or anything like that, but it

gives them a chance for a different

1:55:221:55:26

future.

Absolutely, I think it's

really important that young cancer

1:55:261:55:29

patients know there is hope for them

to have a family. This is fantastic.

1:55:291:55:35

Obviously it may take several years

to get into the clinic but it's very

1:55:351:55:40

promising research. Really happy

about it. I'm very passionate about

1:55:401:55:45

fertility in young people. And

having the conversation about

1:55:451:55:52

fertility, I've taken apart in Klich

Sergeant's educational videos, you

1:55:521:55:56

can take a look at Klich Sergeant

.org .uk to have a look at their

1:55:561:56:05

options for young cancer patients.

It is important and an issue that is

1:56:051:56:12

sometimes forgotten. Professor

Evelyn Telfer, it is early days in

1:56:121:56:17

the study as you say, but is it

clear that these eggs, but you grew

1:56:171:56:21

in the laboratory, whether they are

viable eggs? It's not entirely clear

1:56:211:56:25

whether they are capable of being

fertilised and whether they would

1:56:251:56:28

result in a normal embryo, which is

clearly the next stage of the

1:56:281:56:32

process in terms of our research. --

CLIC Sargent.

We are working on ways

1:56:321:56:37

to improve the system and then

working to apply to the regulatory

1:56:371:56:42

bodies in order to get permission to

attempt to fertilise these eggs.

1:56:421:56:46

Whilst it is quite a breakthrough it

is an early stage and is now the

1:56:461:56:53

start of a lot of work to ensure

that we get healthy, safe eggs at

1:56:531:56:58

the end of the process. But Kate

explained it very nicely in terms of

1:56:581:57:03

what options are available, and she

didn't have that option in terms of

1:57:031:57:07

taking ovarian tissue. Now that is

routinely available for patients

1:57:071:57:13

before they undergo chemotherapy.

Progress is being made all the time.

1:57:131:57:18

Thank you both for joining us. Lots

of you have been getting in touch

1:57:181:57:23

about the stories we have been

discussing this morning. Were talked

1:57:231:57:25

about mental health and young people

needing counselling in schools, we

1:57:251:57:28

had an e-mail, my son has been

attending council stomach

1:57:281:57:33

counselling at school and it is a

life-saver due to stress from his

1:57:331:57:37

GCSEs and I'm grateful for the

school because without the support

1:57:371:57:40

and care from counselling his mental

health would have declined. Local

1:57:401:57:44

authorities should do more to

support pupils and their schools

1:57:441:57:46

instead of turning a blind eye. Also

getting in touch about the Black

1:57:461:57:51

Panther UK premiere last night: it

is a good thing Hollywood has

1:57:511:57:56

brought out a film with an all-black

cast. Despite the races and we all

1:57:561:58:00

too often hear and see in this

country far more inclusion of black

1:58:001:58:04

people in both programming and

adverts is important. BBC News room

1:58:041:58:10

live is coming up next and on the US

government shutdown we have just

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heard Congress has just approved a

bill to fund the federal government,

1:58:131:58:18

and that means the shutdown could

end before the US working day

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begins. Thank you for joining us.

Have a great day.

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