13/12/2017 Wednesday in Parliament


13/12/2017

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Coming up in the next half-hour

defeat for the Government on the

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Brexit bill. The ayes to the right

209, the noes 305.

CHEERING

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Order!

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I'm sure you want to hear the result

to make sure it is correct. The ayes

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to the right, 309. The noes to the

left, 305. The ayes Cavett, the ayes

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habit. A lock. Hear, hear!.

And last

minute ... Downing Street was said

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it was the disappointed despite

strong assurances. The Government

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will now decide if further changes

to the Bill are needed.

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Throughout the seven a detailed

consideration of the EU rebellion

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bill it was afoot. It was the fault

of Klaus mine. I know you're

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following diminution of this so I

want me to tell you, but just in

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case, Clause nine combines the twin

concerns of government is taking

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power away from Parliament and

whether Parliament will get a

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meaningful vote before the deal was

finalised. The key amendment was

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number seven table by the former

conservative Attorney-General,

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Dominic grieve. The Debate ran for

eight hours, but the arguments began

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even before with curtain raiser at

Prime Minister's question.

The Prime

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Minister says she wants a meaningful

vote on Brexit before we leave the

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European Union event at the last

moment, would she be so good as to

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accept the right honourable and

learned gentleman's amendment seven

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in the spirit of unity for everybody

here and in the country. Hear, hear!

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My right honourable friend makes an

important point about the concerns

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that people have had in this House

about having a meaningful vote on

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this particular issue before we

complete the deal. As I set out in

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the earlier answer I gave to my

right honourable friend that is what

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we will have. We will ensure that

there is a meaningful vote on this,

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and this House that will then be an

opportunity for Parliament to look

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at the withdrawal agreement and

implementation bill. The fact that

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there will be no meaningful vote has

been set out, confirm by my right

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honourable friend the Brexit

Secretary or an Everett and

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ministerial statement today. We were

very clear that we won't commit any

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statutory instruments until that

meaningful vote has taken place, but

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as currently drafted, what the

amendment says is that we should not

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make any of those, put any of those

arrangements for statutory

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instruments into place until the

withdrawal agreement has read the

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statute book. That could be at a

very late stage in the proceedings

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which could mean that we're not able

to have the orderly and smooth exit

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from the European Union that we to

have.

And so the scene was set in

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the real debate again.

The reality

of this bill is that it would allow,

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and Clause nine, allow Ministers to

start implementing it withdrawal

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agreement entirely through secondary

legislation and allow Ministers to

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do so even before Parliament has

endorsed the withdrawal agreement.

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We are recovering from a situation

where as members of the European

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Union we have handed over these

decisions lock stock and barrel to

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the European Union. This is a

massive improvement. To address this

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attempt to reverse Brexit...

That is

absolute rubbish!

It is nothing but

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a can't.

Oh my, what Stalinism is

this that somehow any attempt to

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disagree with the way in which this

bill is drawn up is somehow a

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betrayal of Brexit. What rubbish!

Is

not a question I may say to my

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desperately paranoid Eurosceptic

friends that somehow I am trying in

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some surreptitious, Remainer weight,

to put a spoke in the wheels of the

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fast progress of the United Kingdom

towards the destination to which we

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are going. They don't know what

we've mean.

And the case of

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amendment seven we seem to frankly

have run out of road, and what

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happens in the circumstances, I

regret to say is that all rational

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discourse starts to evaporate. The

purpose of the amendment the nature

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of it is entirely lost and eight

confrontation in which it is

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suggested that the underlying

purpose is the sabotage of the will

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of the people, which it most

manifestly is not. Hear, hear! That

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is then followed by a hurling a

public abuse, large numbers of

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people telling one that one is a

traitor. Some, I have to say with

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regret of one's honourable and right

are no more fines, saying things

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which I find slightly startling.

Amendment seven is very well

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drafted, I don't think it's

deficient. We will definitely

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support it and withdraw a New Clause

66 if you press to do a vote. And

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then I will conclude by saying... I

give we.

This amendment either has

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to be accepted by my honourable

friend on the Treasury bench there

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will be put to a vote.

Hear, hear!

I'm very pleased to hear that and we

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will support him and the amendment

and that eventuality. Hear, hear! We

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need to reserve the ability to use

Clause nine as soon as practically.

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If we waited for Royal assent for

final legislation and might be too

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late and we will be too squeezed for

time, even then scenario where we

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reach an agreement in October as is

our current aim. Critically, and I'm

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not sure all honourable members that

picked this up, but the power only

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emperors until exited. Shorter than

the operation of the Clause seven

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and in practice on the Government's

current expected timetable it would

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in fact his only be used for around

six months. Its not be used for

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around six months. It's not the

open-ended power like some have

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suggested an good-faith.

The

Government was standing firm, but

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just as the 11th hour was

approaching, this happened.

I can

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tell my honourable friend that we

are willing to return at report

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stage to put an amendment on the

face of the Bill making crystal

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clear that statutory instruments

under Clause mind will not enter

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into force until we've had a

meaningful in Parliament.

But was it

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enough?

I have to say, it is too

late. I'm sorry. You cannot treat

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the House in this fashion. And she

may agree with me that the best way

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of actually getting progress in this

area is by moving amendment seven in

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securing and then delete back there

after we can co-operate.

The

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Government lost by four votes.

You're watching Tuesday in

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Parliament with me Mandy Baker.

Well, the day was not all about

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Brexit.

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Over an increase in the waiting list

for social housing, but the session

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started on a more sombre note as the

party leaders remembered the fire at

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Grenfell Tower in west London in

June.

This week marks the six-month

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anniversary of the Grenfell Tower

fire. I will be attending the

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national memorial service tomorrow

and I'm sure I speak for members

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across the House when I say it

remains at the forefront of our

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minds is a truly unimaginable

tragedy and should never have

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happened. Many who survived the

fires lost everything that night,

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and I can assure the House that we

continue to do everything we can to

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support those affected and take the

necessary steps to make sure it can

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never happen again.

This week does

indeed Mark six months since the

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avoidable and tragic fire at

Grenfell Tower which took the lives

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of 71 people and injured and

traumatised many more, and I too

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will be at the service tomorrow in

memory of them. But that fire also

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shone a light on the neglect of

working-class community all over

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this country. And since this

Government came to power,

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homelessness is up by 50%. Rough

sleeping has doubled. Homelessness

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and rough sleeping have doubled

every single year -- risen every

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single year since 2010. Will the

Prime Minister pledged today that

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2018 will be the year when

homelessness starts to go down?

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Hear, hear!

Across the cells we

don't want to see anybody who is

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homeless or sleeping rough on our

streets. That is why the Government

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is putting £500 million into the

question of homelessness. That's why

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we backed the Bill that was brought

forward by my honourable friend, the

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Member for Brent, I'm sorry for

Harrow. And it's why we have ensured

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that we are putting into place a

number of projects that will deal

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with this issue of rough sleeping.

I

asked the Prime Minister for a

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pledge to reduce the amount of

homelessness next year. The pledge

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was not forthcoming. 128,000

children will spend Christmas

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without a home to call their own.

60% up on 2010. It's too late for

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this Christmas, but will the Prime

Minister promised out by Christmas

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2018, fewer children will be without

a home to call their own?

I say to

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the right honourable gentleman,

again, that we of course want every

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child to wake up and their own home.

Particularly at Christmas, but it is

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incredibly important, even though

they can keep a roof over their

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heads in the most desperate

circumstances, that is why we making

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sure that councils can place

families and it brought a range of

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homes that they fall into the

circumstances.

Jeremy Corbyn turn to

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the state of privately rented

houses.

When it comes to housing, Mr

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Speaker, this government has an

absolute disgrace. After seven

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years, more people are living on the

streets. More families in temporary

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accommodation. More families and

homes not fit for human habitation,

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and fewer people owning their own

home. One is this government going

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to get out of the pockets of

property speculators and rogue

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landlords and get on the side of

tenants and people with out a home

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of their own this Christmas?

Prime

Minister.

Under Labour, health

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building down, homes bought and sold

down, and social housing down. One

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thing, I'll tell him one thing did

go up under the last Labour

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government, the number of people on

the social housing waiting list.

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1.74 million people waiting for a

home under a Labour government.

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Staying with PMQs, the SM SNP leader

and Blackford urged

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the Prime Minister... To close

branches. The bank has announced

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that it is shedding more than 250

branches in the UK.

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including nearly 200 operating

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under the NatWest banner.

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In 2017, the Royal Bank of Scotland

are paying us back by turning their

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backs and 259 of our communities.

Given we have the majority

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shareholder, will be Prime Minister

stepped in and tell the Royal Bank

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of Scotland to stick to their

commitment and not close the last

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bank entirely?

I think my right

honourable gentleman knows the

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decision to open and close branches

is a commercial decision taken by

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the banks without intervention from

the Government but we recognise the

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impact this has on communities and

the Secretary of State for Scotland

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raise concerns of the housing

expressed on this issue in the

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meeting with RBS.

She said the

Government wanted to ensure all

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customers have access to bank.

Or

not is why we established the access

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to banking standards which commits

banks to carry out a number of sets

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before closing a branch Post Office

have also reached an agreement with

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banks that will allow my customers

to use post office services.

The

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Labour MP said she did not have a

clue about the concerns of

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small-town.

And they don't has to

market towns have been so that they

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are not West bridges are to close.

That is too more on top of a

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record-breaking 700 bank branch

closures this year and that is

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despite delivering 13.5 billion

half-year profits. For the Prime

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Minister admit that the Government's

access to banking protocol has

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failed to keep a single branch

opened and will she restore the bank

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levy and use some of it to stop

communities losing their last bank

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branch.

Ancillary, she said they

were raising more than the banks

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did. But calls for changing the law,

and England or Wales were debated by

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MPs in Hall. Young when a person

commits horrendous kinds, they

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cannot be allowed to pull the

strings from inside a prison cell. I

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have seen cases where convicted sex

offender has the rights of the

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father. And influences the lives of

the children who were his

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victims all

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stopped

should have specialist

training to it understand the

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dynamics. And to be able to

recognise coercive, controllers and

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the tactics used by abusive parents,

to mutilate that children of my life

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from inside prison walls.

Questions

have been raised of the

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effectiveness of these orders and

how they can be best used to protect

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the child with care from the abusive

exercise of it a parent in prison.

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Any change to remove parental

responsibility automatically, on

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conviction of certain criminal

offences would involve some in

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porting considerations for my

department. We would need to be

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clear that such a change in the law

would be in the best interest of all

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children for whom the current law

provides maximum flexibility.

But in

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all all the prisoners are abusive

presence and they want to maintain

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family ties what in jail.

Families

play an important part in this

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process. I want to spend a few

moments looking at the needs work

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prisoners to fulfil their parental

responsibilities. I believe this

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could be and should be a focus for

reform. Bringing men in particular

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face-to-face with their enduring

response abilities to the family, is

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indispensable to the rehabilitation

culture we urgently need to develop

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in our penal system.

One of three

women are locked up, our mothers,

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and one in five days their children

being taken away from them. This is

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all but them to lose her job, their

home, and their children, not just

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for those six months but forever.

Plaintiff surface about a scandal

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involving thousands of steelworkers.

In just over a week's time we had to

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decide what to do with their pension

savings when the old Priddis still

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pension scheme ends. The financial

authority has intervened to stop

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several firms

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offering advice to steelworkers.

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We had a little bit about the clip

from earlier owns about the sorts of

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questions they would like to see is

asking. Those were exactly the

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questions we do ask. We go in and

when we see high numbers of

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transfers going through, we ask them

expressly why it is in the context

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of transfers where for most people

most of the time staying in a DB

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scheme is a better outcome. They

have satisfied themselves that it is

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suitable in so many cases to

transfer. It is exactly where we go

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with our line of questioning and

with our file testing. As a result

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of this, for firms have stopped

providing pensions advices as a

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direct result of our intervention.

Either by directing invitations on

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their permissions or by voluntary or

separate a ration provided to them.

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A conservative MP asked whether

workers will have to move to a

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personal pension fund or PPS after

the deadline.

What will happen if

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you reach this, and there are still

thousands of people outstanding.

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Unfortunately, the difficult

position is the state in the pension

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scheme will stop you cannot. We have

been trying very hard to get that

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message out.

The student loan system

is failing and needs to be replaced,

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according to labour. At the general

election, the party pledged to scrap

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university tuition fees and the

government said it will carry out a

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review of higher education funding.

At question time in the House of

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Lords, Labour seized on the fact

that only around a third of students

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would ever repay their loans fully.

We also know that up to 45% of the

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total loan outplay will never be

paid. My lords, the poorer students

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and up with the biggest debt, and

last week, the national office said

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that two thirds of students consider

universities do not provide value

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for money and that proper

independent advice is not available

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to students when they make these

decisions, which have such a large

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financial consequence upon them. My

lords, how can we have confidence in

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the forthcoming review, when the

government resolutely defends the

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president Brexit system so

determinedly. My lords, will the

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noble Lord except that the current

system is failing. We need a new

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system, which is fair to students.

Bayley raise a number of points, but

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we believe the student loan system

is working well. There is always

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room for improvement. But on one of

his point, we do believe that

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students do get a good advice before

they take on the lens and indeed

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they have to sign some papers for

that. But on some of his more major

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points, we are very keen to see the

value for money approach. They have

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been quite clear that universities

much provide value for money for

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students. Can I also say that as the

house knows, the whole graduate

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student payment system is designed

with a deliberate subsidy in place.

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And we are on track with a

complicated formula to achieve it.

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At the moment, we have a situation

where degrees have become monetized.

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Would it not be a good idea that we

have a good long hard look at having

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some form of graduate tax brought in

which would remove this idea of what

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a huge debt hanging over those who

take on the degree.

Certainly, the

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noble man is right. The tax was

considered as part of the reform

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that were considered several years

ago. We do not think this is the

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right approach, but we do think it

is right that the students are able

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to take out loans, which the noble

lord I am sure will agree. Increases

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aim of having more disadvantaged

people at universities.

Are there

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any other government agencies charge

is 611% on loans?

There is a

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question I will not answer that

question. Can I say, the interest

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rates are very much set and I has I

have said before, these are being

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kept under constant review and there

will be a review forthcoming on

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higher education and funding.

Has a

government made any assessment on

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whether there will be any material

difference in the signs repaid over

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the decades if interest rates were

set at eight last level.

I am sure

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they have been drawn out. I do not

have is with me. Can I say, actually

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98% of all those who entered

repayment of April 2015 or earlier

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have fully repaid or meeting their

repayment obligations and I think

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that is a testament to the fact that

the payment source system were

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complicit of HMR seat is working

well. I did to exempt journalists

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and others from data protection

provisions have been condemned in

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the Lords as one hostage here

explained.

These amendments are

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representations of all sides. Which

sort of copper mines, a way to

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protect this free expression rights

of publishers and ensures the public

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are protected.

By a former Supreme

Court judge opposed the plans.

The

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opposed change would inhibit

prepublication, prepared to work, in

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particular, work of investigation

and research, with a view to

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publication, which may in the end

never actually resolved in

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publication. It would provide a

field day for those who are seeking

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to impede academic work, artistic

expression, literary expression as

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well as journalism, which they do

not welcome. It would inevitably

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create a chilling effect on work in

academia, the arts, literature and

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journalism.

The executive director

of the telegraph media group said

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the proposals would cripple

investigative journalism.

It would

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create a deeply repressive regime

for all those involved in

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journalistic academic literary and

artistic activities. It is not just

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the journalists on the national

newspapers who are so clearly

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targeted by these amendments, who

would be tonnage. But the local

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press, the broadcasters, academics,

film producers, playwrights, book

0:23:590:24:04

producers, and many others. Because

they all use data regularly in the

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course of their kiddies. It would

make their day-to-day work almost

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impossible.

But some peers support

it.

All you journalists, you can put

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your editorials, suggesting we are

oppressing freedom, we do know it is

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rubbish. You know it is not true.

But unless you deal with the real

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hurt, the real problem, the real

exposed faults of the media, then

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this will continue.

I cannot give

his house a legal opinion. I can

0:24:390:24:46

give them one of experience and give

might interest that I attended the

0:24:460:24:52

level of inquiry and a legal typing

of my found. Public interest was not

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offended there, the public interest

was defined by the evidence in the

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papers.

The labour spokesman said

that it had been let down and action

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was needed. He urged the lady to

withdraw her amendment which she

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did.

I want to wait and see what is

going to emerge from the

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consultation, and I do hope that it

will be forthcoming before we reach

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the meaning of this bill. I would

like to withdraw my dominion --

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amendment.

And that was Lord

Prescott first expressing his

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frustration. Do join me tomorrow,

but for now, goodbye.

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