31/01/2018 Wednesday in Parliament


31/01/2018

Highlights of proceedings in Parliament on Wednesday 31 January, presented by Alicia McCarthy.


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Hello and welcome to the programme.

It's standing date at Prime

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minister's questions were Emily

Thorpe very attacks a quest -- the

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Government and the DUP.

They are the

coalition of casement.

He says that

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Weber put up with the aid but doing

also the things.

Raise the age to

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18, and raise the age for using a

sun to 18.

Also, MPs backed plans to

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move out of Westminster to allow for

multi-billion pound restoration

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programme.

Any delay increases the

costs.

And awards finished their

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first big debate on the Bill chance

of earning EU problems the Brexit.

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To limit the damage that threatens

the sovereignty of Parliament and

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the national interest.

We argue --

the more we argue here, the weaker

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we make big government. Should we

not be limited to people's folks.

It

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was all change at Prime minister's

questions was stop Theresa May is on

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a trip to China attempting to boost

trade and relations. As was formal

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talks there was hype -- however

misses may and her husband to visit

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an opera performance. Back at

Westminster, the lead role at Prime

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Minister Prosser questions have been

delegated to the Cabinet office

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Minister David Lidington. He faced

the shadow of foreign secretary

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Emily Thornberry. The sages began

with a little bit of banter about

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the last time the two had face each

other across the despatch box.

Let

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me start by welcoming the Minister

back to his role deputizing for the

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prime Minister. Last time he did so

was in December to says that she

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doesn't succeed when his party was

17 points ahead in the polls and he

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told the House that the Labour Party

was I quote, core rolling like the

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film usually on the bouncy reshot by

the team who may carry on. Well,

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what a difference a year makes.

Can

I first bought thanked the right

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honourable Lady for her words of

welcome and clear my previous

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remarks struck a chord with her to

have been treasured in a way that

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they clearly have. It's a delight to

me to see the right honourable lady

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still in her place when no fewer

than 97 members of her front bench

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have either been sacked or resigned

since she took office.

Emily

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Thornberry asked about the number of

women in Parliament.

I am the only

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Emily elected since 1980. And he is

one of 155 David's. For the Minister

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tell us how he can best increased

female representation in this House?

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I am pleased that my party since I

was first elected 25 years ago has

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made very considerable progress. But

I also accept that there is more to

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be done. I hope she for her part

well except that we have now had to

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women beaters and prime Ministers so

they have a bit of catching up to

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do.

Emily Thornberry.

I have to say

Mr Speaker that if the party

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opposite is so proud of having a

female leader, why are so many of

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them trying to get rid of her? And

why has she had to run away from

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China -- to China to get away from

them?

Emily Thornberry then turned

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the 100th anniversary of women

winning the right to vote.

It was

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originally restricted to women with

property over the age of 30 than 90

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years ago it was extended to all

women over 21. Almost 50 years ago

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it was extended to all men and women

over the age of 15. So can I ask the

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Ministers simple question. I'm any

more years we have to wait the

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voters extended to everyone over 60?

I have to say I am slightly baffled

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by the honourable Lady's comments

when compared what her party did in

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office because it was the last

Labour government that praised the

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legal age for buying cigarettes --

raise the legal age to selling ice

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to 18. Raise the age to buy

fireworks to 18. And raise the age

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for using a sunbed to 18.

What these

discussions have revealed is that

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there is no logical principle

objection to voter 16. That is why

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the Welsh and Scottish governments

supported, that is why every single

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political party in this House

supports it except for of course the

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Conservative Party and the DUP. Once

again, joins in opposition to

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change, they are not the coalition

of chaos Mr Speaker, they are the

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coalition of casement. Why doesn't

the Minister realise that the lesson

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that we women it taught his

predecessors 100 years ago? When

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changes write it cannot be resisted

forever and this is a change whose

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time has come.

Mr Speaker, I think

my advice to the right honourable

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lady is to wean herself off the

habit of watching old versions of

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the Flintstones on the cartoon

channel. But the speed -- the

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situation we have here with the

national voting age at 18 is one

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that is followed by 26 out of the 27

other members of the European Union

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by the United States, Canada, New

Zealand and Australia. Unless she is

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going to denounce all of those

countries and are somehow inadequate

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to run particular standards, then

quite honestly, Mr Speaker, she

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ought to grow up and treat the

subject with a great degree of

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seriousness.

And he's at West is

returned to a different subject of

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together, Brexit.

This is a

government in crisis. An

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international embarrassment. The

Chancellor, the Scottish Secretary,

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the Scottish Conservatives, the home

Secretary have also ported

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membership of the single market.

Despite this, the Government is

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still prepared to make everyone...

Where is the leadership?

The most

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important single market to the

people of Scotland is the single

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market of the United Kingdom. Which

is worth nearly £50 billion every

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year to the Scottish economy, four

times more than trade with the

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European Union. It is our deep and

special partnership with the EU in

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the future that will help deliver

prosperity to Scotland, not the

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separatist policies pursued by the

Scottish National Party.

David

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Lidington. A short time later,

Labour use one of the days that it

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could use a subject for debate to

press the Government to release a

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report that the UK will take an

economic hit from praxis. The

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analysis leads to the bus the

website said that the UK would

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expands Gore growth long-term under

each of three scenarios staying in

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the single market, in the betrayed

jewel and even with no deal at all.

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Labour had raised the report their

previous stay and helped it had

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found a Parliamentary device to make

sure that any vote at the end of

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this debate demanded the release of

the papers would be binding on

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Ministers. The Government is says

the situation is evolving. The

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document is selective and delete is

an attempt to undermine Brexit.

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Ministers in the Government

commissioned these papers ended as

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Franco -- frankly ridiculous to

rubber stamp or not publishing. If

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they could be shunted Ministers to

brief them for an important meeting

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next week, then it seems to me they

are certainly way past the stage of

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an early script that hasn't been

approved.

The Brexit Minister told

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MPs the Government would not oppose

labour's motion and released

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economic analysis on a confidential

basis.

We will provide the analysis

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to a confidential basis. We will

provide the analysis place I

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committed the -- committee for the

European Union and all members on a

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sticky confidential basis. We will

provide a hard copy of the analysis

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to a chair the EU Senate -- select

committee. A confidential reading

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room will be available to all

members to see a copy of this

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analysis once those arrangements can

be made.

The Brexit Minister Robin

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Walker. MPs have backed Abe Paul at

Parliament to move the permit out of

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my Mr while billions of pounds are

being carried out. The building is

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part of a world heritage site, but

the stonework is crumbling and there

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are problems with the wiring, pipes

and plumbing. This thorny problem of

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how to carry out the repairs has

been booked at over the years. The

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most recent committee suggested

there were three options. Moving

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out, moving one chamber out at a

time and staying put for the word to

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be carried out around MPs. The three

options carried correspondingly

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increasing price tags. Opening a

debate, the leader of the Commons

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presented MPs with two motions. One

of which suggested a further review

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and a second suggesting the setting

up of a authority to look over the

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options again and fully cost them.

She said she approached the question

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of frustration with the help degree

of scepticism.

I like many felt that

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the case for a major restoration

programme had probably been

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overstated. The Palace of fine to me

and that we would be able to

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continue to patch and mend as he

went along as we have done for many,

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many decades. However Mr Speaker,

during my seven months in the job, I

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have as they say got on a journey. I

have lived and breathed this topic.

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I visited the basement and seen for

myself what our engineers are up

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against. We must recognise that as

time passes without comprehensive

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action, those risks only increase.

This work is necessary for safety

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that is been agreed by everyone. We

need to do it now, we can't delay.

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Any delay increases the costs.

A big

den dismiss the idea of moving one

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chamber out at a time.

The

Conservatives to provide for the

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whole of the House and you cannot

decant half of the building.

When I

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look at this building and I look at

the stunning architecture and the

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condition of it, I actually see it

as some sort of sad metaphor for

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Brexit Britain. Dilapidated, falling

to bits surrounded, generally

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unloved and in need of a lot of

attention and support. Doesn't that

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just sum up what this nation is? Mr

Speaker, yes of course I can wait.

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My honourable cousin from Scotland

would take a crowbar and says that

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he actually loves it here.

Recovering from that, Peter Wishart

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said he favoured turning the House

into a Turner's attraction. --

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tourist attraction. An amendment had

been put down to back down and

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moving during work. It propose for

the delivery agency to be set up as

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soon as possible. One of the MPs

behind that amendment explained why.

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He said trying to move one chamber

out at a time with double the cost

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and the risk of fire.

The thought of

cutting a sewer system in half or

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the electrics or any of the other

works does not make sense because of

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the nature of the building. I'm

sorry to say this, but I wouldn't

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give my honourable friend and I hope

he remains a friend from

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Gainsborough a leg to play with.

Eight reference thereto Sir Edward

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Lee who put down his own amendment

calling for MPs to say in the

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precinct of the Palace of

Westminster while the work was

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carried out around them.

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What about the 100 million people

over the air and this is the iconic

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centre as we try and resolve these

ethical questions. -- the 1 million

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people who visit here every year. Do

we really want to take this a day

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number split decision at the very

developed hi-fi nation we should

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move lock stock and barrel from the

iconic centre of the nation.

That

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then followed a series of votes.

Unusually, this was what is known as

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a free vote, or MPs did have to

follow a party line and could go

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however they wanted. MPs backed the

amendment calling for both houses to

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move out of the palace wall work was

carried out. 236 votes - 220. No

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date set for one that will happen,

but during the debate, Andrea

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Leadsom said MPs and peers would not

leave the house of Parliament until

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2025 at the earliest. You are

watching Wednesday in Parliament

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with me. Now to the second day of

debate in the House of Lords on the

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EU withdrawal bill. Which transferee

July two UK domestic law on the day

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after Brexit. Ministers could have

been left in no doubt a ball as the

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today's war on, but they had a fight

on their hands. There were peers for

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and against call for a second

referendum but speakers from both

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sides of the debate argued for big

changes to the Bill, especially over

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the powers Ministers are seeking to

give themselves. A former speaker of

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the Commons set the tone.

The duty

of your Lordship's is very clear.

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And that duty I submit it to assert

our right to scrutinise, to amend,

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and if needs be, to reject

unacceptable parts of this bill and

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to use the anti-union arsenal of our

powers and prerogatives. To limit

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the damage that threatens the

sovereignty of Parliament and the

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national interest.

Yes, I will work

for amendments to this bill that's

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soften the impact of Brexit

safeguard isn't a race, we powers to

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override the legislator. And give

Parliament a manifold vote on no

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deal as well. -- a Briggs and

safeguard is in place. When we know

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where we are going and how we get

there a device logic to a decision

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taken daily to the two years ago

without the fax should be the last

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word which is setting the course for

our country for decades to come.

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Both Parliament and people was be

consulted on this end game.

We are

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at a crossroads, without a compass,

and with squabbling back-seat

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drivers. And it is important my

lords that we really do have

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indication from the Government as to

what they see as the preferred

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outcome.

This bill is not about the

terms or exit. But about the

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mechanism of how it will come. --

the mechanism. We should not be

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distracted by debates on the merits

or detriments of leaving the EU. The

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Government themselves have made a

commitment to assure Parliament the

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opportunity to consider the deal and

approve what they have negotiated.

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This bill passed by the elected

House as most noble of lords and

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said, far from perfect. It seems to

me that the lawmaking powers of

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Ministers need to be defined and

rejected on the face of the Bill,

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then it is to be clarification of

the status of EU legislation to

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create legal certainty, and

anti-Semitic much clearer devolution

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of powers to Scotland, nor the and

Wales match. -- and it needs to be

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much more clever devolution of

powers.

It should not be a limiting

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the people's vote, and looked as we

are, putting together and presented

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the United front by all means

improving the Bill before us but let

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us not frustrated.

The Government

connects back to no let up in our

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efforts to make this bill somehow

against all odds work. As we leave

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Europe. As we leave Europe, an act

of extraordinary political self harm

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that our grandchildren and their

children will not forgive us for.

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The damage this bill would lose our

Constitution if not amended has been

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probably did described by a number

of Noble Lords. And in a number of

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Noble Lords. For an inadvertent

rapport of our Constitution

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committee. They are right to say

that this bill is constitutionally

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unacceptable. -- in a brilliant.

The

reality of it becomes clear. It is

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entitled to choose if he wants to to

seek the opinion of the British

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singled as to whether this is what

they want.

I cannot believe it is in

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the national interest to get onto

such a referendum merry-go-round.

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What ever a point of view we fought

for in the referendum campaign, we

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could've made it success of the

United Kingdom and the European

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Union. And we can make a success

with some costs and upheaval of

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being outside the EU. But we cannot

possibly make a success of being

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being in a national state of

bewilderment I won't will have

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another referendum in which

direction we are going in.

William,

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now Lord hate. As we heard

yesterday's programme, Lord Adonis

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had proposed a motion regretting

them not stopping the Bill. -- Lord

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Haig. But he did not present a

label. So after to days of debate,

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and speeches by more than a peers,

the Bill received its second

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reading. And it will begin his more

detailed through Lords in February.

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Now a Government Minister in the

Lords house has dramatically

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resigned at the despatch box at

making a heartfelt apology for

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failing to be and is placed to

respond to a question. Lord Bates

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had been asked to respond from a

lesser but failed to appear. At the

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end of questions, he apologised for

what he described as his

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discourtesy.

I've always believed

that we should offer a ride to the

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highest possible standards of

courtesy and respect. In responding

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on behalf of the Government to be

legitimate questions of the

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legislator. I am thoroughly ashamed

of not being in my place and

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therefore I should be offering my

recognition to the Prime Minister.

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With immediate...

While he

immediately walked out of the

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chamber, is that he forgot that the

Lord says send prayers in the

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morning before they resumed the

second reading debate on the EU

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withdrawal bill. Rather than before

the afternoon session of questions

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as usual. This meant the questions

had begun rather earlier than

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expected. Downing Street later said

the Prime Minister had refused to

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accept his resignation. The BBC's

Carrie Gracie has told MPs she is

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very angry at the way the

Corporation has treated some female

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members of staff. Kerry Grace

resigned as China added their citing

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pay inequalities with male

colleagues. The BBC said there was

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no systematic discrimination against

women. She told the culture and

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media committee that the response to

her grievance was insulting and that

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woman the organisation were

suffering more.

If the BBC cannot

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sort it out for me, a senior person

in a powerful position, then how can

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a sort it out for moldable people

who don't have a public profile?

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That is my concern. -- more

vulnerable people. People pacing the

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strain of being in conflict at the

delays in capacity and the

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belittling of your work because that

is what has to happen if they're not

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going to concede, they're going to

have to crush your self-esteem about

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your work. So that is very painful.

I'd found all of that really hard.

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And I really did... I'm a little

upset... I felt very angry about

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what they put some people through.

I've really feel angry about some of

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the things I have seen and heard in

some of the women, the suffering

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they got through.

As regards their

own case, she said the BBC had not

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admitted she was the victim to pay

discrimination. -- to her own case.

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It sounds like a tacit omission that

it is pay discrimination. In that

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they want to pay me now nearly

£100,000 in back pay. But, the thing

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that is very unacceptable to me, I

just don't know why they do this.

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They basically said and those three

previous years, I was in

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development. LAUGHTER It is an

insult to add to the original

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injury. It is unacceptable to talk

to your senior women like that.

The

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next witness was the Director

General, Tony Hall.

How is

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impossible for one of them to be

underpaid for years?

The answer is

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that it is wrong.

How is a possible?

Is not like there is not like

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there's 100.

What we are doing going

forward is we want to make sure we

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keep these things under review, we

don't get the point where the band

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between somebody who's a low-paid

and atop a editor is not

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justifiable. What we are saying is

who will bring those down so they

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are justifiable and make sure these

things are reviewed properly.

Do you

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agree with me that the BBC has paid

less to women for work of equal

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value?

I... The answer is there may

be cases, individual cases, where if

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that is the case, we need to know

where they are and solve them. But

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what I don't believe is that the BBC

as an organisation, have gone out

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and said because it will be a little

to do so anyway, because the woman I

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pay less to do that job. I don't

believe...

To go back to the case of

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Carrie of being pay less.

I have

said already the grievance and the

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mistakes the grievance procedure has

found, I accept the role and I'm

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sorry about that.

That was a big

failure of management, within a? The

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systems were not in place to deal

with that. No,... Are you saying no

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it wasn't a failure.

What I'm saying

is that for me management has about

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learning and listening. Things are

never right, that is why we are

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processing performed in pain

condition, terms and conditions, two

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years ago, James Hardie at the same

time also looked at this whole issue

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of top talent page news because we

knew we had things to get right. It

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has taken a long time and as is

committee heard today, these are

0:24:490:24:54

very competent issues. But don't

underestimate our desire to get this

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right.

The BBC Director General,

Tony Hall. Finally, MPs were all

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over Twitter during questions and

not in the usual way. A Robin have

0:25:030:25:07

found its way into the chamber and

swooped across the ceiling during

0:25:070:25:11

Wales questions at the start of the

day. Half an hour later, it was

0:25:110:25:15

still roosting in the chamber during

Prime Minister questions. The SNP

0:25:150:25:20

Westminster later signed opportunity

to make a quick joke about David

0:25:200:25:24

Lidington's possible leadership

ambitions.

Then I welcome the

0:25:240:25:28

Minister to his place with the

reports are true, he may be

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auditioning for a new role and I

wonder if a sending out a

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round-robin letter. Mr Speaker...

Or

perhaps he could just put on

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twitter. And that is that from us

for now. Join me at the same time

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tomorrow for another round up of the

day here at Westminster. For now for

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me, Lazio Mccarthy, goodbye. --

Alysia Mccarthy.

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