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but the damage to his reputation and finances has been great. Time for


Witness. Welcome to Witness, our monthly look back at history as seen


through the eyes of the people who were there. I'm at the British


library in the heart of London. We will hear from the first woman to be


ordained in the Church of England, a cinematographer who filmed the


beginning of the Second World War, and one of the stars of the biggest


Indian TV shows in history. At first, we travelled to Mexico. On


the 19th of September, 1985, a huge earthquake hit Mexico City, killing


thousands. The disaster led to the formation of an elite rescue group


called Los Topos, or The Moles. We met one of its founders.


TRANSLATION: When the earthquake hit, the first thing I saw that ``


was that part of the house opposite had fallen down. People were running


all over the place. Women were on their knees, asking God for


forgiveness. A report that an earthquake near Mexico City


may have claimed more than 1000 lives. The


City had been declared a disaster area,


feared trapped in the rubble. TRANSLATION: I decided to walk into


the centre, where I saw that the Hotel Regis had collapsed and a


shopping centre was on fire. I had just got out of the Parachute


Regiment. So, I decided to stay and help. All the people of Mexico,


Mexico City, they are working to help the people. They are trying to


help people. Then I heard about these people who were actually going


into the rubble to do searches themselves. At the time, there were


only nine of them. I tracked them down and I realised I could join


them. The first person I rescued was a lady who had been trapped while


she was having a wash. She was naked and she was asking for clothes and


it took a long time to convince her but eventually, we got hold of a


dressing gown and got her out OK. The government was completely


overwhelmed. There were not enough ambulances. There were no


specialised rescuers. People had to organise themselves. People started


calling us Los Topos, The Moles, when they saw us rolling into the


rubble. They started drilling holes into the debris and asking Los Topos


to go in and look for people. We just had our hands, gloves and


shovels. That was it. I will always remember the time I found a body


with the mouth jammed open. Until then, I would always get scared


easily. If I saw a body at a funeral, I would think about it all


week. I never imagined I would be capable of handling bodies in those


kinds of conditions. In 1986, Los Topos became a properly registered


rescue group. We don't get paid. It is completely voluntary. It is not a


job. I always feel it is something that I have to do. Since then, Los


Topos have been all over the world. I remember the boss of my J `` day


job used to say, Eduardo, you are going to see the world, but only a


devastated world. He is right. We go to the places that everybody else


has left. I always say that being part of Los Topos has changed my


life completely. Eduardo Acevedo, who told us that he has lost count


of the number of lives he has saved. Until the mid`19 90s, there


had never been an priest in the Church of England, but


that all changed in 1994, when 32 women were ordained amid much


controversy. The first in line was Angela Bernice Wilson. When I was at


university, I wrote to the Church information office and they said I


could be secretary. I imagine it would have been paid better. It


seemed an obvious thing for a woman who had been called to the


priesthood to fight for the ordination of women. It never


occurred to me not to. We wanted women who had received the call from


God to be recognised by the Church. There is a saying, like a mighty


tauter strolls the church of God, and it seemed like that with the


ordination of women priests. It would mess up the order of things


right up. It was always a balancing act between not alienating people by


appearing to strident and doing things that would actually have an


impact. Tomorrow, they will take their crucial vote on whether to


ordain women priests. The debate has already split the Church and it is


thought that the result is too close to call. I had come up to London


before the vote. The Butler sent up some very nice to be for it


happened. I thought that was nice. George Carey was the Archbishop of


Canterbury at the time and he gave the results in a deadpan voice. It


was archbishop of the whole Church, and he knew that some people would


be very upset the matter which way the vote went. The motion is


carried. The measure now stands committed to the legislative


committee. When I first discovered I was going to be the first woman to


be ordained in England... The Bishop always ordained alphabetically. I


got a phone call from the Times and they said they wanted to come and


kill me on a Sunday and I said... My husband told me that it would just


be a tiny article on page 37, and blow me down, I was plastered all


over the front page of the Times! the day of the ordination, we


arrived at Westminster Cathedral. I was feeling nervous, obviously. I


was walking up the aisle and the cathedral was absolutely packed. I


was conscious that this was a moment in


would be nothing to disrupt the service. Some have waited patiently


and some have not been quite so patient. They know who they are. The


only opposition we were aware of actual date was a church across town


that told their bill. What will emerge from Westminster Cathedral


today will not be 32 priest but a new order of transvestites! Angela


burners will then was the first to come forward for the laying on of


hands. `` Angela Dennis Wilson. We could feel the Holy Spirit and the


authority. Send down the Holy Spirit. It had been something I had


been waiting and praying for for 20 years. It was wonderful. And


everybody was in a great big Mike almost like a rugby scrum just


hugging each other. All of one's closest friends and family there.


This is a new springtime for the Church of England and I hope that


people will come to see this is right way forward. Women coming


forward now have no idea what we good thing because it is much more


accepted, but it is a struggle is lost. She is now one of


nearly 2000 female priest in England. `` priests. In the summer


of 1939, Germany was preparing to invade Poland. One of the German


objectives was the free city`state of dancers on the Polish coast.


Young British photojournalist Douglas Logan travelled there to


film what turned out to be the beginnings of the Second World War.


In my early 20s, I was a photojournalist. I read one day in


the newspaper that there was a headline: `` Danzig, suggesting that


Hitler had designs on Danzig and that this could very well lead to


the beginning of the Second World War, so I thought, I had better


investigate! Danzig was the European danger point. When I got to Danzig,


I found that all of the shops that were Jewish had Judae told across


the windows and there were signs of anti`Jewish sentiment all over the


city. On my return to London, one who had been filming preparations


for war in London for a film called lights out in Europe sent me back to


Danzig with a movie camera. One evening, I was aware of a red


glow in the sky. It led me to the square in which stood the


synagogue. And it was now on fire. I was suddenly aware of two hands on


my shoulders. It was the local Gestapo. And I was thrown into a


cell, and I spent the night in that cell. After that, I thought it might


be a good idea to leave Danzig and make my way into Poland. I was


joined in Poland by others and on the 1st of September, I was woken up


at five o'clock in the morning by the sound of German planes


overhead. I felt quite excited, really, that things were about to


happen. Herbert Klein and I made our way back to Warsaw and their found


that most of the people seemed to have flown the city. We managed to


get aboard a train with hundreds of hundreds of refugees and then,


slowly during the night, trundled our way out of Warsaw. At about five


o'clock in the morning, we suddenly heard the sound of German planes


overhead. There were bombs falling around the train. Eventually, we


managed to get out of Poland and headed. Colm and then from Stockholm


to London and safety. Looking back on it, it all seemed to be like a


sort of dream. That was Douglas Slocombe, he is now


101 years old. You can go to our website and check out the archives.


In 1988, a group of London students staged an exhibition of their work


that would change the face of British modern art, it was called


Freeze. It launched the many of the careers of the top names in the


field. We decided to put on an exhibition


during the summer holidays. We would all be drinking at the same bar, we


knew each other. The show came out of that group of people in south


London. Damien Hirst got 17 other people involved. I became involved


in Freeze just by Damien asking me to be in it. Everyone half believed


him and half not. Some of the artists work conceptual, which means


you would not spend a year working on the tapestry or a sculpture, you


a couple of tennis balls on top. And that was it. Everything was done to


make it seem like it was not a student exhibition. That court


people offguard. Will all influenced similarly. We had a similar


experience of the same type of pop music, such as the Clash. It was not


ideal, the place. It was near the docks and the completion was rough


and ready. We spent a little bit of more time ripping out the radiators


and filling holes in the ceiling, and painting the place, whatever you


had to do to make it look like a neutral gallery space. The


sponsorship led to the catalogue and Damien had the foresight to make it


formal and official, getting permission to do it officially so we


did not get evicted on the opening night. I showed one piece which was


a large colour photograph in a light box, it was called Bullet Hole. I


wanted to use images that were seductive and compelling to look at.


Maybe subject matter was something that was not really the kind of


thing you I used to engaging with in an art gallery, it was aggressive


and immediate. Damien painted his spot paintings on the wall is and


the first spot paintings he weighed in article Matraville `` made. I was


watching a house in one of the places burning down. Several 100


people came along and was Matraville and it was a big success in the


evening. Artists came along and got a lot of representation so their


careers had taken off. The media has a different agenda to what is really


going on in the art world. A lot of the artist enjoyed it, personally I


find a lot of it going. Maybe the fact that it achieved some kind of


notoriety, gave the impression that you can be self`motivated and Kuwata


and do something, then you are not just shouting into a void. The


echoes will come back. And finally, witness travelled to India to meet


East TV star of Bollywood. The mine was a TV epic watched by millions.


`` Ramayan. This actress played the Hindu goddess, Sita.


I was 15 years when we started working for or mine. `` 15 years


old. I did not know I would be changing the course of history by


doing this. The goddess Sita was muddied Matraville was married to


Rahman. There is a description of what Sita and rum look like. `` Ram.


It was the first time the Ramayan was told on TV. There was a lot of


responsibility on us at that time which we did not realise. It was one


of the regular TV series we were signed up for, and it was a costume


so not a big deal. Added to top it off, to be on television was


definitely not something to be proud about at that point of time. The


first episode, for one hour, it took us 15 days to film. I was therefore


to be seven days living there. We were living in the make up studio,


not coming back to Bombay. Everyone becomes a close`knit family. It was


very hard. We do not have those air`conditioning during those days.


Everytime the director announces cut, a fan guy comes and starts the


industrial fans. We all just stood in front of the fans.


(MUSIC) As an actress you give your best and


the result was everybody loved it. Within six months we realised we


were all big stars. Ramayan had become popular. 18 million Indians


gathered together wherever there was a TV set every Sunday morning to


watch the Ramayan. People were watching all around the world. We


had our Prime Minister who invited us to Delhi, we met him. We were


recognised all across. This is not just a video film, it is something


which can guide your life all the weight. Across India, village


viewers turned sets into shines from which a holy story could be told the


pillar people would come and touch our


feet, thinking that we are Sita and Ram. At one point Ram sets Sita a


light, then the TV people had to burn her but they explained to her


she was not really burnt a only an image. They had to explain this to


us popular peoples to recognise me when I step out today. This has left


so much of a mark on my life. I do not think anybody ever plans to make


it a big deal and it works, it sometimes just happens.


She was the goddess of the small screen. That is all from us at this


time, next week we bring you five more witnesses and five more


histories seem to be high of people who were there. `` the eye. Bye for


now. decent weather this weekend. It is




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