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Now on BBC News, it's

time for Witness.

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Welcome to Witness. I'm here at the

British library to guide you through

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another five extraordinary moments

from the recent past. We'll meet a

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man who was caught up in written's

worst ever nuclear accident. A woman

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who was taken hostage along with

hundreds of others when Chechen

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rebels seized a theatre in Moscow.

And a man who helped thousands of

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Hungarian Jews escape the Nazis.

First, on the ninth of October,

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1967, Marxist revolutionary Banesto

Guevara was killed in Bolivia. A CIA

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agent helped the Bolivian army

tracked him down.

I put my hand

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around him before the picture was

taken. You can see a man who was so

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powerful at one point in Cuba and to

see the way he was at that point, he

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looked like a beggar, he was in

rags, he was filthy and a completely

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different image from white people

perceived of him in the world. In

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1967 there was an interest to

provide the Bolivian government with

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capabilities against the gorillas

arriving there. I was to provide

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information about Che Guevara and

advise them on how to either capture

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or kill him. Che Guevara was in

Bolivia to take over the country and

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if he was able to be successful that

way he would be able to support a

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revolution to fight different

neighbouring countries that they

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have boundaries with. The

instruction that we specifically got

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from the CIA was if Che Guevara was

captured alive to be able to keep

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him alive at all costs. We received

information from the field that he

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had been captured. I was anxious to

meet this individual, so on the

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following day we arrived at the area

where he was. We all came into the

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room. He was tied down on the floor.

In front of him was the dead bodies

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of a couple of Cuban officers who

were killed during the operation.

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Later on I came back to the room and

stood in front of him and said, Che,

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I've come to talk to you. He looked

at me arrogantly and said, nobody

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talks to me. At that point I looked

at him and said, Commander, I admire

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you. I used to believe what you

believe, although I think your ideas

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are mistaken. I just came here to

talk to you, not interrogate you.

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Every time I tried to ask him a

question that was a tactical

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interest to us he would smile and

say, I won't answer that. At times

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he was talking and I wasn't paying

much attention and in my mind the

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man I did remember from the news...

That arrogant man with the big coat,

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now to see this man who was really

in very poor shape, that impacted me

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tremendously. There was a phone call

from high Bolivian command and the

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order was 500, 600. We had a simple

code. 500, Che Guevara, 600, kill

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him, 700, keep him alive. I asked

for them to repeat it and they said

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500, 600. I went to the room, I

stood in front of him and said,

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Commander, I'm sorry. I tried my

best. He turned white like a piece

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of paper and said, it's better this

way. I should have never been

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captured alive. I said, is there

anything you want for your family,

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if I can get the message through? He

said, tell my wife to remarry and

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try to be happy. He approached me,

we shook hands, he stood back and

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stood at attention thinking I would

be the one to shoot him and I left

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the room. About 0120 I heard a first

and that's when he was dead. People

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really don't know who Che Guevara

was. A lot of people saw the picture

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of Che on T-shirts, they like it and

they have no idea who he was. To me,

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he wasn't an assassin but an

adventurer. We really have no

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respect whatsoever for human life.

Felix Rodriguez, in Miami. In

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October 1957, a nuclear reactor in

the north of England caught fire.

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John Harris was working at the

nuclear plant when things went badly

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wrong.

The old world ponders the

atom. Britain is aiding the peaceful

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pursuit.

I joined in August of 1956

when there was a big boost of

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recruitment into the not long form

the United Kingdom atomic energy

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authority. There were dozens of us.

At least it felt like it. You very

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much felt that this was the future.

Britain is making massive progress

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in atomics. This is the first atomic

power station to be built anywhere

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in the world.

Thursday, October ten,

57, I remember somebody saying,

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look, and you could just see a

whisper of some light blue smoke.

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Not much. Just a little drifts

coming up the top of one of them,

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reactor number one. Someone said,

hey, look at that. That shouldn't be

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there.

The atomic energy authority

have announced that some Iranian

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cartridges -- uranium cartridges

became overheated yesterday.

Lima

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got to the gates we were flights

through and told to go straight to

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our berries were faces and

laboratories and stay there. But

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there was a fire in the reactor and

I was given a job to do. I was going

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to go up onto the so-called reactor

top and take measurements up there.

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Sitting up there on the top of the

reactor, it was quiet and I sat up

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there all night long. I remember

that. The whole night.

The milk from

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200 square miles of farmland is

condemned as radioactive. The

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trouble arose when radioactive dust

from the overheated tile fell on the

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Cumberland pastures. The farm is

much further away would have faced

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not emergency but disaster. --

farms.

I remember the morning came.

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Take was put up everywhere. Don't go

past this point. I wondered what had

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happened on the night. What I

realised was they had finally

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decided the only way to put this

fire out, they tried various ways,

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they decided to pump water through

the reactor. That reactor was not

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designed to have water in it at all.

At the time we took that decision,

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the people concerned would have been

extremely worried to put it mildly,

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but it worked.

Now the worst seems

to be over. This man helped to bring

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the overheated reactor in control.

It was radioactive for four days and

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he couldn't kiss his wife until he

was given permission. If it had gone

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wrong the worst that would have

happened is we would have had a

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chemical explosion.

That would have

destroyed the structure of the

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reactor and see uranium would have

been shot out. Which would have

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meant at least a temporary

evacuation of west Cumberland, at

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least.

Milk samples were found to

contain six times as much

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radioactive iodide as international

health standards permit. So for the

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time being down the drain it goes.

With atoms you can't be too careful.

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And John Harrison went on to be a

lecturer in nuclear engineering,

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specialising in system safety. In

October 2002, dozens of Chechen

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rebels seized a theatre in central

Moscow and held hundreds of people

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hostage for over two days. One

couple and their daughter were in

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the audience when the rebels stormed

the building.

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700 people, including many children,

are being held hostage in a theatre.

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Gunmen armed with explosives raided

the building in the capital, Moscow.

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TRANSLATION: On the 23rd of October,

we went to see a musical in evening,

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the three of us. Me, Sacha, my

daughter, and Sandi, my fiance. The

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second part of the show started with

the pilot's songs. After that we

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heard some sort of noise. We saw a

man in military camouflage go up

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onto the stage. To draw attention to

himself, he fired a gun.

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And then I looked around to the left

and I saw that there was a crowd of

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people in military uniform walking

along the aisle.

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People reacted very differently.

Some were hysterical. Some people

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seemed to turn to stone in shock.

Some people took it calmly.

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The gunmen want Russia to stop a war

that's been raging for years.

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Thousands of people have been killed

in the conflict and the gunmen have

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given the government a week to

remove their soldiers from their

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homeland. The two sides are

struggling for who gains control of

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Chechnya, in the south of Russia.

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A group captured the theatre and

seized 1000 people with great ease.

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I don't think they had a plan about

what to do with us after that. Only

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after the rebel leaders announcement

did I realise that we were really

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being taken hostage. I didn't want

to believe this. Sandi was the

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quickest to understand it and Sacha

was a child, 13 years of age. She

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reacted as though she was in a film.

There was no real fear.

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The last time I looked at my watch

it was just after three o'clock. I

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have this feeling, a little bit

longer and we'll be freed. Sacha and

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Sandi were asleep holding hands. I

thought, I need to falsely asleep

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quicker so that the morning comes

sooner. -- fall asleep.

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I came to in hospital. I didn't see

the storming of the theatre or gas,

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because my sleep gradually turned

into a coma.

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Within just one hour, hundreds of

the hostages were being carried out,

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free at last after two-day ordeal.

Many were unconscious. It is special

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forces had pumped gas into the

building to disable the Chechen

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rebels, but it also affected the

hostages.

On the 27th of October, I

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heard on the radio that Sacha died.

On the 28th of October, the

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presenter gives of the US embassy

told me that Sandy died.

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Anne went on to help found survivors

group for those caught up in the

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theatre siege. Remember, you can

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We turned out to 1944 hungry during

the brief but brutal occupation of

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the Nazis. David was a young Jewish

man and part of an underground

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organisation trying to assist

Hungarian Jews assist -- escape.

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This job was to produce tens of

thousands of carefully forged

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identification documents for those

trying to flee. TRANSLATION:

When

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the Germans invaded Hungary I

changed my identification documents

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to Arian. I left the flat I was

living in as a junior and began to

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live with a different identity as a

Gentile. A few days later I met with

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the leaders of the underground

Zionist youth movement who told me I

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would be joining a team to forge

documents. I became part of the

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biggest rescue operation during the

Holocaust run by Jewish people. I

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was 18 at the time. A month or two

after the invasion, orders were sent

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to all Hungarian provinces for

Jewish people to wear the yellow

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star of David and to be concentrated

in ghettos. Any Jew who arrived at a

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train station was arrested. They

were the first to be deported to our

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fleets of -- Auschwitz. In our

workshop we prepare the documents

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needed for everyday life. To rain a

flat um to prove your residency and,

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later on, work permits. The most

difficult stands to forge with a

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Hungarian government because their

emblem had so much detail. You had

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to be very accurate. I was always

busy, thinking about how to secure

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the safety of the workshop, how to

provide documents that would

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withstand inspection, how to keep my

friend says by providing them with

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the right documents. I felt

responsible for life-and-death. For

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safety reasons, we often had to

change location, moving from place

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to place around 15 times over a

period of nine months. On December

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21, as the Russians were at the

gates of Budapest I was arrested

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along with two of my workshop team.

We were taken to the Hungarian

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fascist party headquarters where we

were interrogated. Later on, we were

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beaten up. One of us, Nicki, died in

the early hours of that morning in

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our rooms. I spent three days in the

prison in the hands of the fascists

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until my friends managed to free us.

The police fled because Budapest was

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under siege. They wanted to save

themselves. Only the civilian guards

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were left. We couldn't save all the

Jews but at least through our work

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we saved as many as we could. Tens

of thousands of Jews in Budapest

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were saved thanks to the work of the

underground.

Dated now lives in Tel

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Aviv with his wife, also a survivor

of the Nazi Holocaust. Finally, for

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five years this woman and her family

lived on the frontline of the

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Israeli occupation of the Gaza

Strip. In 2005 when Israel pulled

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its troops and settlers out, she

finally regained possession of the

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family home after years of

occupation by Israeli soldiers.

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Israel has been in Gaza since the

six days in 1967 when it won a war.

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The war shaped the modern Middle

East and the conflict that Israelis

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and Palestinians have been fighting

ever since. Israel occupied land

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including Gaza and the West Bank and

started moving its own people in.

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Under occupation I lived in a very

serious situation. Two, it happened

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yesterday. I am 25 years old. My

father was an English teacher. After

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the few patient of the Jewish people

they started to build a settlement

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in the Gaza Strip. Close to my home.

Because my home was a tall building

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Israeli soldiers occupied my home

for five years. They put all my

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family in one room and the rest of

the home was for the soldiers.

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Soldiers were sleeping here and they

are so... I felt like it was not my

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home. My grandmother told my father

please, leave the home. My father

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said no. This is my place, from my

grandfather and I will die here. My

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family really suffered at that time.

Five years. In 2004, the Israeli

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Prime Minister announced an

agreement to withdraw from the Gaza

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Strip. I could not believe that.

Because the settlement here, we have

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the building in the school they

lived in. They lived a life as if

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they were going to stay forever. But

I kept dreaming of the day they

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would leave my home.

On Israeli

television tonight Prime Minister

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Sharon said that holding Gaza for

ever was impossible. Over 1 million

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Palestinians live there, he said,

and hatred is growing with no

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prospect of peace. The soldiers

found out across the sand dunes of

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this Mediterranean paradise. The

police took the beaches. The teams

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moved in to negotiate with the

residents. They did not get far. How

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can you be offering help, she

shouted. You are destroying

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everything. And then the time for

talking was over.

The people in the

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settlement who were Jewish, they

were upset and angry because they

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have lived there and they do not

want to leave. If we hear the sound

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of the people in the settlement

shouting now, don't leave. I used to

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be positive, as my father taught me,

but you have to look at the reality

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and the reality right now is quite

difficult. I wish that in the future

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it will be Palestinian and Jewish

together. OK, but before that, give

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me my rights.

That is all from

witness this month here at the

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British library. We will be back

next month for another five accounts

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of extraordinary moments in history.

For now, from me and the rest of the

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witness team, goodbye.

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