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But if there is no resolution, the Straits will go on. Sima Kotecha, | :00:00. | 3:59:59 | |
BBC News, Birmingham. Now on BBC News it's | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
time for Witness. Hello. I'm Lucy Hockings. Welcome to | :00:00. | :00:32. | |
Witness here at the British Library in London. This month, we have | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
another five people have witnessed extraordinary moment so sad. We will | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
be talking about the legalisation of homosexuality in Britain, 50 years | :00:43. | :00:46. | |
ago. They breakthrough for when in the men's world of racing, and in a | :00:47. | :00:54. | |
moment, the Russian Ballet star, Rudolf Nureyev, who defected to the | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
West. But first we go back to a turning point for China. China was | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
wrapped in a civil war between communists and their opposers. I | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
never even thought about joining the commenters. | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
TRANSLATION: I am 99 years old, and they still have not changed my mind | :01:14. | :01:16. | |
about that. -- joining the communists will stop the country was | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
weak and divided. For most people, life was wretched. Someone had to | :01:22. | :01:27. | |
rescue China from these miserable conditions. There were two men | :01:28. | :01:33. | |
willing to try. One was the leader of the nationalist troops. The other | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
was Mao Zedong, who wanted to turn China into a communist state. The | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
two men were to become bitter rivals. | :01:44. | :01:52. | |
TRANSLATION: We worshipped him back then. We were probably influenced by | :01:53. | :01:58. | |
Germany's worshipping of Hitler. We worshipped him to. I was ahead of a | :01:59. | :02:08. | |
battalion in nationalist army, and fought against the comments in the | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
civil war. Chinese people fight each other, it was a complex situation. | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
It was all about which path China should take to the future. We | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
thought they were Chinese traders. During the civil war, both sides | :02:25. | :02:37. | |
made mistakes. I was involved in one of the last big battles. When we | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
suffered 200,000 artillery shells. But I survived all of that. The | :02:45. | :02:51. | |
Nationalists had the military advantage, but our soldiers were to | :02:52. | :03:03. | |
spread out. -- too. Mao Zedong one and Chiang Kai-shek loss. But Mao | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
Zedong did not win completely, and Chiang Kai-shek did not lose | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
completely. By the autumn of 1949, the communists had driven the | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
Nationalists out of all the major cities. They fled to the island of | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
Taiwan. TRANSLATION: You could say leading | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
mainland China was the lowest moment in his life. But he never accepted | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
defeat. I worked with Chiang Kai-shek very closely for five | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
years. I really respected him. He was very strict. But he was always | :03:36. | :03:47. | |
very good to me. Chiang Kai-shek's life was very ordinary. He would get | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
up every day at 6am. He didn't smoke or drink. He was very disciplined. | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
He issued a lot of orders. To be honest, so many that it was hard to | :03:59. | :04:06. | |
keep track of them. Some people say Chiang Kai-shek was a dictator. But | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
this is unfair, and it is slender. But because we were still against | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
the communists in mainland China, he did impose martial law. This, that | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
is antidemocratic, but it was to protect Taiwan. -- slander. His goal | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
was not just to make Taiwan independent. He wanted to achieve | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
freedom and democracy for the whole of China. He never gave up. He told | :04:33. | :04:41. | |
us, don't ever think we have lost the mainland. Marxism will | :04:42. | :04:50. | |
eventually fail. History proved him right. Chiang Kai-shek died in | :04:51. | :05:00. | |
Taiwan in 1975. The Djere went on to become the head of the army and | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
eventually became the country's Premier. In 1961, Rudolf Nureyev | :05:04. | :05:11. | |
defected to the West. -- the general went on. | :05:12. | :05:23. | |
I remember him as a great dancer, a great personality in many ways. He | :05:24. | :05:39. | |
had enormous technical prowess, enormous charisma. This kind of | :05:40. | :05:51. | |
style of dosing is unique movements and stage presence, sending we have | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
not seen before and very rarely since. -- silent dancing. -- style | :05:56. | :06:07. | |
of dancing. Issues you the geography two -- in cheesy the choreography | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
and genius. -- it shows you. I went to Leningrad to see performances at | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
the Kiev Theatre where he was performance in. He was recognised in | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
Russia, the USSR, and by all the great dancers. Then we went to | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
London and I started to negotiate with the Russians, and they agreed | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
to send this company to England for a season. This is an original poster | :06:36. | :06:47. | |
for the first appearance of the Kirov Ballet. Amongst the you | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
concede Rudolf Nureyev. But he never turned up this on. He went to Paris, | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
and Ron Paris, they were coming through to London, and we didn't | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
expect anything else at the airport. On the 16th of June, 1961, Rudolf | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
Nureyev seller for the airport to fly to London with the rest of the | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
Kirov Ballet company on their tour. He did not know that Soviet | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
authorities had decided he was a security risk, and were planning to | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
send him back to Russia, instead. At the last minute, rather than bought | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
the plane to Russia, Rudolf Nureyev broke away from his mind and asked | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
authorities for asylum in France. He jumped over the barrier and decided | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
to defect. The Rudolf Nureyev defection caused a worldwide | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
sensation. He became known as the man who had pierced the Iron | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
Curtain. I think the simple question of being by nature, by temperament, | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
not wanting to go back to Moscow in Russia. He was totally disinterested | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
in politics. He was interested in art. The idea of communism is... He | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
was not a defector for these reasons. At the tender age of 23, | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
Rudolf Nureyev phantoms of the centre of the media spotlight, which | :08:06. | :08:11. | |
would not them for years to come. What sort of parts do you want to | :08:12. | :08:22. | |
Dantz first of all? -- Ganz. -- dance. I'm a romantic Ganz, and I | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
would like to try every different way. It was a great dancer, of | :08:27. | :08:39. | |
course. But he was able to Madam Mariah is the world of Baz I -- he | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
was able to mesmerise the world of ballet. He transformed the whole | :08:46. | :08:55. | |
aspect, the whole scene of ballet. It is impossible to overestimate the | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
influence. It was unique, certainly, to this very day. Rudolf Nureyev | :09:01. | :09:20. | |
died of convocations from AIDS. On July 1990, Indigenous Canadian spent | :09:21. | :09:24. | |
months in a stand-off with the country's security forces over plans | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
to build a golf course over a burial ground. To see the text coming and, | :09:31. | :09:38. | |
we even had the fighter jets flying over us. The mood was very tense. -- | :09:39. | :09:45. | |
tanks coming in. This is all for a golf course. This was all for some | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
group of rich people, the elite and their playground. Like many other | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
indigent people is, we call the earth our mother. It is a place | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
where our ancestors rest. It is extremely important. They wanted to | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
extend their nine hole golf course into an 18 hole of course. But at | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
the same time, they also wanted to dig up our burial ground to extend | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
their parking lot. We set up a blockade on a secondary to grow them | :10:16. | :10:24. | |
act -- blockade on a secondary dirt road. Our lineage goes round | :10:25. | :10:31. | |
mothers, and it is our duty to protect the land. It is the men's | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
responds purely to protect the people. We said we would go to the | :10:35. | :10:39. | |
front and the men said they would watch us and protectors of anything | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
happen. On the morning of July 11, we were interrupted at 5:15am by a | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
SWAT team and so we went to wards the front of the barricade and | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
towards the highway with our hands on the edge make sure that they saw | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
we had no weapons. But they still matters with a lot of aggression, | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
and a lot of force. What is said to them was that this is our land, and | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
we have every right to be here. They were not too happy with that. That | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
is why they wanted to talk to a man. It is against the women were being | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
very unreasonable, to them. Originally, people said they would | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
be no weapons, but there were individuals who carried their | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
weapons and we could not do anything about it. We said it was a peaceful | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
barricade. Around 830, deeply started firing tear gas and | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
concussion grenades at us. Concussion grenades, for those who | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
do not know, sound like gunshots. They are quite a loud noise. I had | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
to tell some of the people I was weird to run, you know, let's run | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
for cover. It was scary because we did not know if anyone was killed, | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
on both sides. The police force continued to block the roads of | :11:53. | :11:59. | |
people coming in or out. They prevented food, medicine, and they | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
were quite aggressive and always provoking. It was a siege after 78 | :12:04. | :12:07. | |
days. A siege. When we did decide to ended we said | :12:08. | :12:22. | |
we had enough and went back to our homes. December 30 sixth was | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
supposedly when it finished. A big melee happened. Some of the soldiers | :12:27. | :12:29. | |
had their bayonets on because they were totally afraid of the people | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
who were coming out. There were a lot of arrests on that day. They | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
were still not surrendering because the land is viewed as still not | :12:40. | :12:47. | |
settled. I mean, the golf course sparked a discussion about the real | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
issues that indigenous people have been fighting for four centuries, | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
which is possession, protection of our languages and culture, of our | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
life. So it work up people. I would say it was up people. They are still | :13:03. | :13:10. | |
campaigning for indigenous rights. You can watch Witness every month on | :13:11. | :13:16. | |
the BBC channel, or catch up on 1000 radio programmes online. Next, back | :13:17. | :13:27. | |
to July 1957, when the British Parliament passed a bill to | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
decriminalise to the sexuality. For that being gay in this country was | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
not just illegal but widely seen as a disease. Witness went back to meet | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
the radio presenter Pete Price who was sent for a version therapy to | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
try to cure him of his homosexuality. It was very difficult | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
growing up in the 60s as a gay man because to touch another man, to | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
hold, to feel, to have emotions, you could go to prison. For many of us | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
this is revolting, then dancing with ham. Homosexuals in this country | :14:01. | :14:08. | |
today rake the law. -- men dancing with men. The queer bashers were out | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
and people committed suicide, it was a very sad time. I was 18, going on | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
19, when my mother found out that I was homosexual and she took it | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
badly, then went to the doctors. The doctors told us, there is a queue. I | :14:24. | :14:30. | |
have now since found out it was called a version therapy. Didn't | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
know anything about it, so Mum said, will you do with? I said, yeah, for | :14:36. | :14:41. | |
you I'll do it. They put me in a mental institute. In those days they | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
were called a loony bin, or psychiatric ward. There were bars on | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
the window and I was very, very frightened. I went into see the | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
psychiatrist and he had an old-fashioned tape recorder, the | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
real to Reel, and he described all of the sexual acts that gay people | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
did, using very graphic language, to make you feel disgusting. Then they | :15:08. | :15:12. | |
put me in a room. I still didn't know what would happen to me, I | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
really didn't know, except they asked me what I drank and in those | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
days I drank Stout, Guinness. There was a male nurse, no windows, and | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
they have a stack of what they called "dirty books". There were | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
many in swimming costumes. There was nothing erotic about it. I was | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
supposed to look up the books, listen to the tape, which the notice | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
was operating, with his vile conversation and he was giving the | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
Guinness. Halfway through the hour he injected me, which made me | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
violently ill. So I asked, could I use the bathroom? He said, no, just | :15:53. | :15:57. | |
use the bed. I was violently sick and defecated on the bed and I am | :15:58. | :16:05. | |
lying in my urine faeces and vomit and feeling incredibly ill. I was | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
frightened young man, 18, going on 19. I was very, very scared. I | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
wasn't thinking of a cure, I just thought I was going to die because | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
this was torture. At the end of 72 hours I had nothing left. I just | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
wanted out and I decided I'd had enough. I am volunteering to leave. | :16:25. | :16:32. | |
I rang a Powell of mind to get me out and I thank. -- pal of mine. I | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
stamp of filth. I had a bath and I must have been in there for eight | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
hours, trying to scrub the filth off me. After the treatment I decided | :16:44. | :16:46. | |
enough was enough and Daewoo Corp one day and said, I am what I am, | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
have got to be who I am and accept who I am. | :16:52. | :16:58. | |
I channelled the way I was through my entertainment. All the big stars | :16:59. | :17:07. | |
I've worked with. They learn to be who I was and I became outrageous | :17:08. | :17:14. | |
and that was the way I got accept the. -- acceptance. You're lovely. | :17:15. | :17:24. | |
Got a brother? I think I've been happy with myself as a homosexual, | :17:25. | :17:27. | |
but I actually don't leave I belong anywhere. I can never forget what | :17:28. | :17:33. | |
they did to me, ever. Pete Price still presents a popular evening | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
show in Liverpool. Finally, in 1977 racing car driver Janet became the | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
first woman to compete in the prestigious Indianapolis 500 motor | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
race. She speak to Witness about competing in a male dominated sport. | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
Race drivers are special breed of American folk hero. They have always | :17:54. | :18:01. | |
been men, until Janet Guthrie. I had no house, no husband, no jewellery, | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
no insurance. I had one used up race car. I was playing in a | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
millionaire's sport from the very beginning and not having been born | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
with a trust fund I learned how to build my own engines and be my own | :18:17. | :18:23. | |
-- do my own bodywork. I thought there was a reasonably good chance | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
that I would be successful at it, because I wanted it a lot. I loved | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
the sport. It was the passion of my life, really. Part of the fun is to | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
accept the risk and deal with it gracefully and well. You have to | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
have an interest in what it's like out there at the limits of human | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
capability. I was saying to myself, you know, you really must come to | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
your senses and make some provision for your old age. That was the point | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
at which the phone rang and a voice completely unknown to me said, how | :19:00. | :19:04. | |
would you like to take a shot at the Indianapolis 500? It was sometimes | :19:05. | :19:15. | |
said that the Indianapolis 500 wasn't the most important race, it | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
was the only race. That's how most of the United States feels about it. | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
Over 400,000 people showed up. You can't imagine how many people that | :19:27. | :19:33. | |
is until you see them in person. When I got my big chance at the top | :19:34. | :19:40. | |
levels of the sport, it made a huge commotion. They simply haven't had | :19:41. | :19:43. | |
the experience of running against a woman and they were sure I was going | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
to kill them all. All I had to do at the beginning was open up a | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
newspaper and there was some other driver saying that his blood was | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
going to be on the official's cans. Seriously, when I say commotion, it | :19:59. | :20:04. | |
was big. -- hands. I was so happy. I was happy that I had put a car in | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
the field for the Indianapolis 500. I think a lot of drivers would tell | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
you the first time you make the field at Indianapolis is the moment | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
you will never forget. Of course any figure out what you really want to | :20:21. | :20:30. | |
do is win the thing. You're thinking, who's behind you, what are | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
their driving habits, who is ahead of you, what mistakes are they | :20:34. | :20:37. | |
likely to make on the first -- and on the first lap you really want to | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
keep yourself out of any trouble. In that race I had a mechanical | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
failure. When we finally decided the car was not going to be fixable, I | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
left the pits and headed back to the garage. There was a lot of | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
enthusiasm in the stands at that point. Janet is not a new, the car | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
racing. My best shot at Indianapolis was ninth, with a team I formed and | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
managed myself. I best finish in IndyCar racing was fifth at | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
Milwaukee. I wasn't racing to prove anything about women. Because the | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
fact that I was a woman in my opinion had nothing to do with it. A | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
racing driver was what I was, right through to my bone marrow. In 2006 | :21:26. | :21:33. | |
Janet Guthrie was in the ready to the international motor sports wall | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
of fame. That's all from us this Month. When the next week at the | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
British library. We will have five extraordinary counts of history | :21:44. | :21:50. | |
through the eyes of the people who were there. For now, goodbye. | :21:51. | :21:54. |