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Sima Kotecha, BBC News, Nottingham. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:01 | |
Now on BBC News - to mark
International Women's Day, | 0:00:01 | 0:00:04 | |
a special edition of Witness. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:28 | |
Hello and welcome to a special
edition of Witness to celebrate | 0:00:28 | 0:00:33 | |
International Women's Day
here at The British Library. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
We are looking back at five
remarkable women who have featured | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
in the programme over the past year. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:46 | |
We'll meet the civil servant
who challenged one of India's top | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
policeman after he sexually
harassed her, a pioneering racing | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
driver and member of
the Women's Land Army, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
who helped to feed Britain
during the Second World War. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:03 | |
But first, in 2004, the Kenyan
environmental campaigner | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
Wangari Maathai became
the first African woman to win | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
the Nobel Peace Prize. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
She spent much of her life trying
to protect Kenya's forests. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
We went to the forest on the edge
of Nairobi to talk to her daughter. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:27 | |
My mother was often
asked, were you afraid? | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
You were fearless, how can you do
all of these things? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:35 | |
She said I was afraid,
but what needed to be done | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
was so compelling
that I had to do it. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
She grew up surrounded by nature,
surrounded by the beauty of nature. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:51 | |
I also remember her describing her
mother being a farmer, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
her mother grew all the food
that they ate. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
And then she goes away
to school, to university, | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
out in the United States,
and she comes back and she was | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
a very young member of the academic
staff at at the university. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
She was struck by the issues that
were being presented by women | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
who were very much like her mother. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
There was a lack of fuel,
lack of water and lack | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
of nutritious food. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
And everything with a described
she felt was connected | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
to a degradation of the landscape,
and so why not plant | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
trees, she asked them? | 0:02:26 | 0:02:35 | |
The women here till the land
so it is important that they know | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
how to convert conserve the soil. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
She founded the green belt movement
in 1977 to help women plant trees | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
and at the same time begin
to understand how to look | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
after the land themselves. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
It is 50 million trees
now and counting. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
Very quickly, the green belt
movement became more than just | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
about planting trees,
because we had an extremely | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
dictatorial government
and a 1-party system. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:03 | |
The land was being parcelled
out to the friends of | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
the administration of the day. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
And so, protecting it
necessarily becomes political. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:19 | |
This was by far one
of the scariest battles. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
People are showing a lot of anger
because nobody knew the extent | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
to which the forest is destroyed. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
It was vicious. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
She got very physically hurt and she
was in hospital, but she survived. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
And so, whenever she survived
she knew it was time to go back | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
and finish the work. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:40 | |
We are here in Karura forest,
of the most beautiful urban | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
forests in the world. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
And it is ranked to the movement
and the efforts of my mother | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
at the time that saved it. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
But she also was a human rights
activist, a women's rights activist. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
I have no idea where these police
men are taking me now. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
I have done nothing... | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
To challenge the president and the
party of the day, that was gutsy. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:09 | |
An ecologist from Kenya has become
the first African woman to win | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
the Nobel Peace Prize. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
Wangari Maathai... | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
She just didn't believe
that it was her. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
I think for a while she probably
thought, maybe it is a mistake! | 0:04:19 | 0:04:27 | |
But it was one of the most amazing
moments, to see her enjoy | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
the spotlight and the platform,
which she had never had before. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:39 | |
I think the whole day
she sort of spent saying, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
I didn't know anyone was listening. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
My mother died on the 25th
of September 2011. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
She has left quite a legacy I think. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
Suddenly, for us as Kenyans,
as women, as Africans, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
to believe in the power of one,
I think the fact that one woman | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
from the highlands of Kenya could be
such a potent force for change, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
it is one of the most
inspiring things. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:12 | |
Wangari Maathai, talking
to the programme in the beautiful | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
Karura forest in Nairobi. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
In 1988, India's first ever sexual
harassment case was brought to court | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
and the accused was a senior
policeman celebrated | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
for fighting militants. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:35 | |
She may be educated, an educated,
working class, an officer, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
a high-ranking officer like me. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:44 | |
Nobody is immune, and it
happens every day. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:53 | |
In 1988, I was serving as special
secretary for finance. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
I had about 20,000 people
under me and 90% were men. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
There was a dinner party. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
Hosted by the Home Secretary
and the Director-General | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
of the police was also there,
and he called out to me | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
and he said that I want to talk
to you about something. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:19 | |
He got up and he came and stood
in front of me, towering above the. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
He put a finger on my face like that
and said, up, come on. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
Come along. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:27 | |
Come on, you come along with me. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:42 | |
So, I said, I said above Mr Gill, go
away from here, you're misbehaving. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:49 | |
And so I got up and that
was the time when he | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
slapped me on the bottom. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:58 | |
That's what he did. | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
Always people have considered it
to be a very trivial thing | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
but I could not get over
the enormity of it. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:11 | |
Letting it go meant living
with lowered self-esteem, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
gulping down my humiliation,
facing all the other people. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
The consequences of
complaining I had not really | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
estimated at that time. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
Nobody was willing to take up
the case for me because they were | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
so frightened of him
being the highest ranking police | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
officer, no-one wanted to do
anything against him. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:39 | |
And I found that no-one had ever
filed in section 509, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:50 | |
which is the lesser offences. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
17 years, long years, of my life,
all of it was taken up | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
by this, by this one case. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
The Lords had quashed the case,
the case reached the Supreme Court | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
and it was the Supreme Court
which called for all of the records, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
reinstated the matter and they gave
the definition of modesty. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:22 | |
They've reprimanded the High Court
judge and said, this cannot be | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
treated as something trivial. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:26 | |
All the people in every
household, this was the talk | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
between husband and wife. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:35 | |
The limelight was not on Gill,
it was on me, why had | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
I registered the case? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:45 | |
Must be something wrong with me! | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
I attended the proceedings
of the trial throughout, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
along with my husband. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
But on the day the verdict came,
I especially requested, I said, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
I don't want to go there. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:01 | |
KPS Gill was expecting to win
and then my husband's | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
driver rang up and said,
he has been convicted | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
on both counts. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
I never fought against KPS
Gill, I fought against | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
the mindset of a society. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:21 | |
People have seen that offences
against women are increasing. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
No. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:24 | |
Now, now more women
are speaking out. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:32 | |
And Rupan Bajaj is now retired
from the civil service. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
Next we're going back
to the Second World War, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
when thousands of British women
signed up to work on farms | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
to grow vital crops
for a country under siege. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
They became known as the land girls. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
And Mona McLeod was one of them. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:54 | |
I can look back on the war
and I can know that | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
what I did was worth doing. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
Creating food was essential. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:12 | |
RADIO: Down on the farm
the land girls are doing | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
their bit and a bit more! | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
I was 17, studying, I thought,
to go to Cambridge. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
And I knew nothing
about the land army. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:33 | |
My father appeared one day and said,
I want to talk to you. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
And he said, I believe I have always
spoken about the importance | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
of the higher education of women,
but first we should concentrate | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
on winning the war. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
And so I said, yes, daddy. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
And a week later or so I had
left school and I was | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
on the train for Scotland. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:50 | |
NEWSREEL: The war has taken most
of the younger men away | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
from Scotland's farms,
leaving the farmers without enough | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
help to produce our
vital supplies... | 0:10:59 | 0:11:00 | |
They treated me very
nicely, and it was a dairy | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
farm, about 65 cows. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:15 | |
And the first week I was
sent into the dairy. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
And I was told to and milk
the difficult cows. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
And I'm sorry to say that at the end
of the week they have all gone dry. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
And the Dairymen said he thought
I ought to be sent to the stables. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
Fortunately I love horses
and the horses and I got | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
on very much better. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Work was very hard, and we have no
protective clothing, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
and the uniform we had
was absolutely useless | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
for keeping you warm in winter. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:47 | |
So, the first winter I had
chilblains, my arms, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
my ears and my hands and my knees
and my heels and my toes. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:57 | |
And until I got my brother's
cast-off jackets and I got some | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
wonderful wooden knickers that came
down to my knees, I discovered that | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
you didn't have to be freezing. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
But when I first went out
I thought, you have just got | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
to suffer to win the war. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:17 | |
The land girls I knew all worked
quite separately on different farms. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
I never met a girl
who worked in again. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:28 | |
-- in a gang. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:29 | |
All the girls I got
to know were isolated, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
totally and absolutely. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:32 | |
One girl on a farm, and the nearest
girl ever was four miles away. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:42 | |
NEWSREEL: Women have proved
themselves able to undertake | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
the most skilled work. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:46 | |
All thanks and honour to the land
girls, who are doing | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
this magnificent job. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
I never for one moment
thought of giving up. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
I didn't expect the war
to go on for five years. | 0:12:54 | 0:13:04 | |
But the idea of stopping
was not thinkable. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
You just went on, went on and on. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
And Mona McLeod went
on to write a book about her | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
experience as a land girls. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:12 | |
experience as a land girl. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
Remember, you can watch Witness
every month on the BBC | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
News Channel or you can catch up
on all of our films | 0:13:19 | 0:13:28 | |
and radio programmes
in our online archive. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Just go to the BBC website
and look for Witness. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
In 1977 racing car driver
Janet Guthrie became the first woman | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
to compete in the prestigious
Indianapolis 500 motivate. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
She talked to Witness about taking
part in a male dominated sport. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:48 | |
NEWSREEL: Race drivers are a special
breed of American folk hero, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
they have always been men,
until Janet Guthrie. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:56 | |
I had no house, no husband,
know jewellery, no insurance, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
I had one used up race car. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
I was playing in a millionaire's
sport from the very beginning. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
And not having been born
with a trust fund, I learned how | 0:14:04 | 0:14:11 | |
to build my own engines
and do my own body work. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
I thought there was a reasonably
good chance that I would be | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
successful at it, because I wanted
it a lot. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
I loved the sport. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:22 | |
It was the passion
of my life, really. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
Part of the fun is to accept
the risk, and deal with it | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
gracefully and well. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
You have to have an interest
in what it's like out there | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
at the limits of human capability. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
I was saying to myself, you know,
you really must come to your senses | 0:14:40 | 0:14:47 | |
and make some provision
for your old age. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
And that was the point
at which the phone rang and a voice | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
completely unknown to me said,
"how would you like to take a shot | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
at the Indianapolis 500?" | 0:14:58 | 0:15:07 | |
It was sometimes said
that the Indianapolis 500 wasn't | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
the most important race,
it was the only race, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
and that's how most
of the United States feels about it. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:18 | |
Over 400,000 people showed up. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
You can't imagine how many people
but is until you see them in person. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:29 | |
When I got my big chance at the top
levels of the sport, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
made a huge commotion. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
They simply had not had
the experience of running | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
against a woman and they were sure
I was going to kill them all. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
All I had to do at the beginning
was opened up a newspaper | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
and there was some other driver
saying that his blood | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
was going to be on
the officials' hands. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
Seriously, when I say
commotion, it was big! | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
Oh, I was so happy. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
I was happy that I had
put a car in the field | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
for the Indianapolis 500. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:14 | |
I think a lot of drivers would tell
you the first time they make | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
the field at Indianapolis
is a moment you will never forget. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
Of course then you figure out
that what you really | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
want to do is win the thing! | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
You're thinking, who's behind you,
what are their driving habits? | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
Who is ahead of you? | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
What mistakes are
they likely to make? | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
On the first lap you just really
want to keep yourself | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
out of any trouble. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
In that race, I had
a mechanical failure. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
When we finally decided the car
was not going to be fixable, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
I left the pits and headed back
to the garage. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:51 | |
There was a lot of enthusiasm
in the stands at that point. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Janet is not a newcomer
to car racing... | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
My best finish at Indianapolis
was ninth in 1978 with a team I've | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
formed and managed to myself. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:06 | |
My best finish in IndyCar racing
was fifth at Milwaukee. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
I wasn't racing to prove
anything about women, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
because the fact that I was a woman
in my opinion had | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
nothing to do with it. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
A racing driver was what I was,
right through to my bone marrow. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:29 | |
And in 2006 Janet Guthrie
was inducted into the International | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
Motorsport Hall Of Fame. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
And finally we turn to 1964,
when the Windmill theatre | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
in London's red light district Soho
closed its doors. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:43 | |
It had become a national
institution because for a long | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
time it was one of the few places
in Britain where it was possible | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
to see naked women on stage. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:51 | |
But a change in the law
on nude performances met | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
But a change in the law
on nude performances meant | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
a decline for its fortunes. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:58 | |
Jill Millard Shapiro was one
of the Windmill girls. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:07 | |
NEWSREEL: A blend of
glamour and sweat... | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
Something seedy, yet also
touching in innocence... | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
It was a national institution,
there was nowhere else like it, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
there never can be. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
Whatever it was, it
has a great story... | 0:18:20 | 0:18:27 | |
It was by accident, I was walking
along the street and I saw | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
the sign saying Windmill
Theatre, stage door. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
So I walked in, I don't know why. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
And I said to the stage doorman,
can I have an audition, please? | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
And so he phoned upstairs
to the office and I was sent | 0:18:44 | 0:18:51 | |
upstairs, and Vivian van Damme
didn't audition me but he just said, | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
I like you, we will
take a chance on you. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
What he didn't know was that
I was 14 and a half years old. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
He signed the contract and then
realised my age and told me to go | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
home and come back when I was 15
and a half. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
So I did. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
I didn't realise it was naughty. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
Looking back at it
I think yes, it was! | 0:19:12 | 0:19:32 | |
The Windmill was non-stop revue,
it was called Revuedeville, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
it was a revue theatre. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:36 | |
We did six shows a day. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Once you'd bought your first
ticket, that was it. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
So, the audience could
sit there all day. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
NEWSREEL: The proudest
years of the Windmill | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
were during the Second World War. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
It allowed nothing to interfere. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
They were the only West End theatre
open throughout the London Blitz. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
Really brave girls who stood
there while the bombs | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
landed, all around them. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
The house manager came out
onto the stage and asked this show | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
and asked the audience
if they wanted the performance | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
to continue, and almost every
time the answer was yes. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:14 | |
One of the most important things,
the think the audience would come | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
One of the most important things,
the thing the audience would come | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
to see, was the nude poses
at the back of the stage. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:29 | |
It was the obscenity laws,
and you were not allowed to move | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
in the nude on a London stage
or on any stage in the country. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
It was censorship. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
You can't be sexy
if you stand still. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
Oh, I don't know! | 0:20:44 | 0:20:45 | |
So, the Lord Chamberlain's office,
they'd come, very happily! | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
They were very pleased to come
to the shows and say, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
oh, no, that's a bit too much,
you can't say that. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
But they always tipped us off
when they were on their way! | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
1964, by then, Soho had changed
with all the strip clubs. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:05 | |
Our little friend Miss Fifi
was three streets away! | 0:21:05 | 0:21:17 | |
Where we weren't allowed to move,
she could shake it all about as much | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
as she liked. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:23 | |
So, we lost a lot of the audience,
people who perhaps wanted to see | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
more, they could go to the clubs,
whereas we were still a theatre. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
And we felt it was better to close | 0:21:30 | 0:21:37 | |
while we were still respected
than to even attempt to change, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
and the girls wouldn't have done it. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
So, we closed, with
our heads held high. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
We're all friends to this day,
those of us who are still living. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
I think we were very lucky,
we were privileged to have | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
been Windmill girls. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
Jill Millard Shapiro
at her home near London. | 0:21:53 | 0:22:00 | |
That's all from this
special edition of Witness, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
celebrating
International Women's Day | 0:22:02 | 0:22:03 | |
at The British Library. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
We will be back here next
month to bring you more | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
extraordinary moments in history
and the remarkable people | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
who witnessed them. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
But for now from me and the rest
of the Witness team, goodbye. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:18 |