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My guest today knew from a very young age exactly what she wanted to | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
do when she grew up. She wanted to be a singer, a recording artist. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:13 | |
But how do you stand out from the rest of the wannabes? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
# I was born by the river... # | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
Rebecca Ferguson auditioned for The X Factor. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
You've got three yeses - congratulations. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
It's dog eat dog. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
And I've never had to fight. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
Not like that, ever. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:31 | |
# Baby girl, you're the prettiest thing my eyes have ever seen... # | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
She was runner-up in the final, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
and secured herself a recording contract. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Rebecca's debut album went double platinum, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
and her subsequent three albums were all top-ten hits. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
She has sold four million records worldwide. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
So now I want to introduce to you, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
Rebecca Ferguson, everybody, Rebecca! | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
She is the most exceptional vocalist in her genre. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
As soon as she sings, we're all believing every word she says. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
She's a real star. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:05 | |
But just as Rebecca's dreams of stardom were coming true, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
there was a battle with personal challenges about to begin. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
Rebecca had already coped with life as a teenage mum. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
And I was like, "How am I going to tell me mum?" | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
-How did you tell her? -I text her. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
Now she discovered very publicly that she was pregnant again. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
Twitter was going mad, people were saying that she just collapsed. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
What's more, she became the victim of fraud | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
-at the hands of a family friend. -It was more than what she robbed. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
It completely messed me up. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
But Rebecca has come through her dark times | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
with the help of her faith in God. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
I'm not your standard Christian. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
There is no perfect Christian. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
No, there isn't, no, I don't think there is. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
Rebecca hasn't chosen an easy path. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
At the age of just 30, | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
she's packed more highs and lows into her life than most of us would | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
in a lifetime. What I want to find out is, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
is fame really all that it's cracked up to be? | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
# And maybe I'm mad | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
# And maybe I'm all cried out... # | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
I had arranged to meet Rebecca in a London recording studio. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
She let me listen in as she performed the title track from her new album. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
# And, no, I never ever said I was Superwoman. # | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
-Oh, what a privilege to sit and listen to you! -Thanks. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
-Oh, it's wonderful, well done, you. -Thank you. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
So, come on, Superwoman, sit down. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
-Thank you. -Take off your cape. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
-So, Superwoman. -Yeah. -What was the inspiration behind that one? | 0:02:50 | 0:02:55 | |
Superwoman I wrote for single mums, really... Well, all women. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
I wanted to support people who were going through things and they feel | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
alone. Who've been left by someone they thought that loved them. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
And if you make a mistake, as it were, although I don't class... | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
..class any of my children as a mistake, you get on with it, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
and you look after them. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
You're sort of talking about yourself as a little girl as well. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
Yes, I suppose I am, yes. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
MUSIC: Don't Leave Me This Way By the Communards | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
Rebecca Caroline Ferguson was born | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
in Liverpool on the 21st of July 1986. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
# Don't leave me this wa-a-ay... # | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
When she was small, her parents had separated, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
so Rebecca and her brothers were brought up by their mum. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
# Oh, baby | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
# Don't leave me this way... # | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
You wouldn't say it was a perfect childhood. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
So we didn't have all the things that everyone else had. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
But we were always happy, regardless. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
I think with her being the only girl at the time, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
I think that she was a bit tomboyish, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
and could definitely keep up with the guys. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
# Ahhh, baby | 0:04:08 | 0:04:09 | |
# My heart is full of love and desire for you... # | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
You'd expect normal boys to fight, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
but she'd give just as much as she'd get. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
She was always firm, and always knew how to stand her own ground. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
That's the best way I'd be able to describe her. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
It was a bit of a crazy childhood, really, my childhood. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
-A bit chaotic? -Chaotic, there was a lot of us, there wasn't much money. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
Did you have a chance to have nice holidays or any exciting things? | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
I think me mum tried to make life as good as she could. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
At the same time, I didn't have the holidays that kids would have. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
I didn't... | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
No, I can't say that I did. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
But we'd go to, like, the beach. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:50 | |
We'd do the best that she could with what she had, yeah. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Mm. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
So your mum, what kind of mum was she? | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Very kind, | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
very loving. Very big on love, on... | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
manners, on turning the other cheek. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
But me mum wasn't well all the time, so that was hard. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
I think when me mum was sick, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
I don't think you really get the help that you're supposed to get. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
As kids, we all had to kind of rally round | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
and we probably done things that normal kids wouldn't do. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
So we kind of stepped up and became mature, like, at a very young age, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
because I'd say we had to. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
Because of her mum's illness, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
Rebecca and her brother would sometimes be looked after | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
by other family members. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
And on occasion, they were even taken into care. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
I heard that you'd been...spent some time in care homes. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
What do you remember about those times? | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
It's hard to speak about this because I... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
I'm so... | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
I'm so conscious of what good people do in care homes. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
But at the same time, my personal experience was not good, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
it was very negative. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
Do you want to tell me what sort of things were negative? | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
I remember at the time, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
me little brother used to wee the bed, like kids do, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
and I remember one of them saying, if... | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
..anyone wees the bed again, you're going to have to sleep in it. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
How old were you then? | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
I was probably about seven. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
In a way I felt like a lucky one, and that sounds really weird, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
but when I'd be there with the children, some of them would be, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:41 | |
had been there for two years. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
Whereas I was just going in for like the odd week. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
But I didn't see the compassion | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
and the love that you would expect for, erm... | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
..children who were lost. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
And it just says a lot about some human nature, yeah. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
Rebecca also spent a lot of time with her grandparents in Sheffield. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
GOSPEL SINGING | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
Faith was an important part of family life. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
When we went to Sheffield, it was like Bible bootcamp. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
Because they'd go to church pretty much, like, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
three or four times a week. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
You'd be going to Bible-study classes in, like, the night, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
and you couldn't say no, because it's old-school Jamaican. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Me Nana Ferguson was an amazing woman. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
She was a... | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
Jamaican woman, strong Christian, very much an independent woman. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:49 | |
She took you to church? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:50 | |
She did. Yeah, three times a week, or four! | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
Yeah, she took me to church a lot, yeah. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
And did she sing well, have you got your voice from her? | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
Oh, I feel bad, she's passed now. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
No, she wasn't the best singer, God bless. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
No, she wasn't, but she loved to sing. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
All you'd always hear every morning was, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
"That day my saviour died for me on Cavalry," that's all I know, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
I just remember hearing that belted every morning. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
And I'd be upstairs, like, "Nan!" | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
Yeah. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:21 | |
And your brother describes sometimes | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
going to stay with your grandparents, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
your grandmother, was like a Bible bootcamp. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
Oh, it was bootcamp, it really was. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
And I was like, not naughty, but we were, like, Scouse kids, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
we weren't like church kids, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
as in the kids would sit very prim with their leather-bound Bibles. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:42 | |
And we were like, "What's going on over there?" | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
You know, we were more loud and just kids, really. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
We hadn't been brought up in that culture where actually | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
you go into church, you sit still and, you know, you do nothing. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
So I would be trying to have sing-offs with the woman next to me. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
So everyone thought they were Whitney Houston, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
so I'd be standing next to them and thinking, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
"Oh, right, let's have a sing-off, then." | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
And I just remember this woman once literally just glaring at me | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
as if to say, "Pipe down, little girl"! | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Did that give you the first stirrings of your Christian faith? | 0:09:13 | 0:09:19 | |
No, it actually started earlier with me mum, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
because me mum's a Christian | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
and she used to take me to church a lot. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
And then I kind of reconfirmed it | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
when I used to go and stay with me nan. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
I had it stricter, the whip was cracked with me nan, yeah. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
# Clock strikes, upon the hour... # | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
As Rebecca got older, she started to think about | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
what to do with her life. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
She really only ever had one ambition. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
She'd always be singing in her room. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
And I would always think she's making too much noise, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
and go and tell her to shut up. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
She was a big Whitney Houston fan. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
So she'd be singing, I can't remember, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
probably the whole Whitney collection. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
# When the night falls... # | 0:10:00 | 0:10:01 | |
Rebecca used to keep a journal when she was younger. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
And that's where a lot of her songs in later life have come from. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
She used to write down her emotions, experiences that she's been through. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
# I wanna feel the heat with somebody | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
# Yeah, I wanna dance with somebody... # | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
Rebecca always said she was going to be a singer. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:18 | |
Which was, sometimes, a bit annoying, you'd be like, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
"All right, you're 12, let's just simmer down a bit, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
"you're not going to be a singer just yet." | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
So many young people, in particular, think fame is the thing, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
let's go for it. Were you fame-hungry when you were little? | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
I'd say I was, if I'm honest, yeah, I was. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
I wanted to be a star, I wanted to be on stage, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
I wanted to sing, I did, if I'm honest, I did want it, yeah. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
You've been writing your own songs since you were a teenager. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
Yeah, I was always writing. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
I used to write poems a lot as well. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
Singing around the house, and annoying the family, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
like me Nan was me! | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
-Yeah. -How old were you when you started your singing lessons? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
I think probably 11. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
And that was me that found it, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
I used to go in the Yellow Pages and call round places and try and find | 0:11:03 | 0:11:08 | |
wherever I could sing. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
And then I'd kind of root me mum in, and like, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
"Come on, mum, we need to go singing." | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
I was very proactive from a young age. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
In pursuit of her dreams, Rebecca tried a number of different classes. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
She used to go to a dance school called Cal's. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
I think that was dancing and singing. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
It was like a dance studio on top of the shopping centre. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
It wasn't really glamorous, but it done the job. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
And then the second one I went to | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
was like a prestigious private school in Liverpool, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
but I was the odd kid out, really. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
SINGING PRACTICE | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
One of the stories that still makes me laugh is that there is a bus stop | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
outside the school, so Rebecca used to go to the school, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
and she'd wait at the bus stop to go home, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:00 | |
whereas all these other kids would be getting picked up | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
in their big flash cars. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:05 | |
But I used to just save for weeks so that I could go, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
because I thought it was the best place. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
So I'd save, rock up, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
and all of them will be singing really classical, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
and I have quite a soulful voice, so I never really fitted in. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
But I went anyway because I thought it was the best training ground. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
How did you find the money to pay for the lessons? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
I started working in a clothes shop, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
and I used to just... say £20 per day, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
which isn't a lot, but I used to save it up. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
And then I'd... | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
pay for my lessons. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:39 | |
But when she was just 17, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Rebecca's dreams of stardom were dealt a crushing blow. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Becky told me she was pregnant. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
I didn't believe it. I didn't actually know she had a boyfriend, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
actually, to be honest. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:03 | |
And then eventually, obviously, the bump came up, and I was like, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
"OK, this is real." | 0:13:06 | 0:13:07 | |
I think being a young mum in Liverpool carries a lot of stigmas. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:15 | |
There's a lot of things to shake off with it, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
because people automatically assume that | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
you're not the nicest of girls | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
or you're not holding yourself correctly, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
which is ridiculous - obviously it can happen to anyone. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
So when you found you were pregnant at 17, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
that must have been a big "oops". | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
It was. And it was the first time I'd ever been with a man before. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
So it was, like, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
beginner's luck, really. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:44 | |
It was like, yeah, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
and then loads of things were racing in me head. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
Bearing in my mind, I had a strict Christian mum and family. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
So it was like the worst thing ever. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
And I was like, "How am I going to tell me mum?" | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
-How did you tell her? -I text her. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
I text her saying, "Hi, Mum, I'm having a baby." | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
And she was like, the first thing she said was actually, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
"Is he going to look after you?" | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
That was her first initial thing. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
It was like, he has to marry you. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Which didn't happen. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:17 | |
But, yeah, at that time my dreams felt crushed and I felt like, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
"How am I going to move on with my dreams?" | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
But you didn't have to continue with the pregnancy, did you? | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
Did you think about that? | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
It wasn't an option for me. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
I remember a doctor speaking to me about it, and I was like, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
"It's all very well taking a pill and it being gone with, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
"but I've got to live with that for the rest of my life, I know me, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
"and I know I can't, I just wouldn't be happy, yeah." | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
Rebecca gave birth to a baby girl, Lillie May. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
A year later, she had a second child, Karl, with her boyfriend. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
We were crazy. I mean, 17 and 18. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
I mean, we done our best, and I think we are good parents. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
The kids are lovely. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
But now when I look back, we were just kids playing house. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
Like, I didn't have a clue. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
I was struggling to throw a wash on, It was like, nappies everywhere! | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
Was Karl, Dad, was he working? | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
He was working, yeah, he was builder, he had a good job, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
so that wasn't too bad because I had support. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
But it was still hard, still hard. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
It's hard whatever age you are. It is, isn't it? | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
She'd be picking them up from school, dropping them off at school, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
getting the dinners ready. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
And she kind of just soldiered on, troopered on. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
I think, to be honest, her dreams got parked, she left them there. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
She thought, "Now is not about me. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
"My purpose now is to be a mother." | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
# Can you practise what you preach? | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
# And would you turn the other cheek? # | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
But Rebecca did still want a career. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
The difficulty as a young mum was in being taken seriously. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
When I was pregnant with Lillie, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:06 | |
I wanted to do anything that would get me a good job, basically. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
And they said, "No, you're going on the young mothers' course." | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
They would give us, like, fake dolls | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
and we'd have to pretend to feed them, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:16 | |
it was really, like, boring! | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
This was while you were expecting Lillie? | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
Whilst I was expecting Lillie. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
And then, with Karl, I trained to become a counsellor, yeah. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
And what happened to that? | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
Well, nothing was fulfilling me. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
It wasn't for me. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
And then after that I went to train to do law. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
And again, I qualified, I got distinctions, but it wasn't for me. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
Me heart wasn't in it. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
You know me, and you know what I do. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
What Rebecca really wanted was to be a singer. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
14 singers from all over the country... | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
TV talent shows offered ordinary people hope. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
So Rebecca contacted as many as possible. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
But only one will win. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
Only one will become a star. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
She got invited by one of the producers of | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
the P Diddy Starmaker, which was like a talent show in America. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
This is my show, Starmaker. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
I've heard the stories about how her family all clubbed together to raise | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
the money for her to be able to go. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
What Rebecca got when she arrived was not necessarily what she thought | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
she was going to. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
A producer had seen my MySpace page | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
and said, "Would you like to come over?" | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
-Invited? -So it seemed quite positive. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
-Went over there... -On your own? | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
On my own, and I was really naive then as well, so naive. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
And me stepmum thought she'd booked me in | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
a really nice hotel in New York. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
It turns out it was in Queens, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
but this particular spot where I was was, like, the red-light district. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
# Remix to Ignition | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
# Hot and fresh out the kitchen | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
# Mamma rolling that body | 0:17:54 | 0:17:55 | |
# Got every man in here wishing... # | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
Typical Scouse girl in a skirt, heels, lashes, big hair. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
And cars pulling up and I'm thinking, "What's going on here? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
"This is really odd." | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
And someone said to me, "Oh, God bless you, get home safe." | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
And I was going, "Why does everybody keep telling me to get home safe?" | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
And then another person, "Oh, God bless you, get home safe." | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
And I was thinking, "This is scary now, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
"cos people keep telling me to get home safe." | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Then an undercover police officer stops me | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
and goes, "Where are you going?" | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
And I'm like, "I'm going to me hotel." | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
And he goes, "Do you know where you are?" | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
And I was like, "Er, no." | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
And he was like, "You're in the red-light district | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
"and this is, like, one of the worst areas in New York | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
"you could be walking." | 0:18:40 | 0:18:41 | |
And he just told me about, like, people who'd been killed. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
So he ended up having to take me home | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
and I ended up stuck in me hotel | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
because I couldn't go out. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:50 | |
# Even if it ain't all it seems I got a pocket full of dreams | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
# Baby, I'm in New Yo-o-ork | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
# Concrete jungle where dreams are made | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
# Oh, there's nothing you can't do... # | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
When she got into the actual audition, it was kind of like, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
they were like, "Right, dance." | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
And she's like, "Well, I'm a singer." | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
And they were like, "OK, I know you're a singer, but dance, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
"and can you sing and dance?" | 0:19:15 | 0:19:16 | |
And she was a bit like, "Well, no, I'm just a singer." | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
She said the audition lasted a few minutes, and it was kind of like, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
"Right, bye, next." | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
We get some incredible talent for our country, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
but really compared to what you get over there, there are so many, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
so the confidence over there is very high with the people who are good. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
So if you came along and you were a little bit shy, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
a little bit insecure, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
they would go, "Well, they're not very good, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
"they don't think they're great, so I don't think they're great." | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
I've worked in the US, I've hosted shows in the US, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
and I suppose there is a difference. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
I think there is a bigger pool to fish, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
which, as challenging as that is, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
makes it more exciting. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:00 | |
Over here, we allow for nerves, we allow for people to be insecure, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
because we as a nation are a bit like that, we're a bit apologetic, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
so if you're auditioning in a US show, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
I think you wouldn't have as big a chance unless you had a big ego. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
But did you get to P Diddy? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
No, didn't even get to P Diddy, I got to the producer round | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
and again, he said, "You're not right, too nervous." | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
Which he was right, I was. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
Oh. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:25 | |
I remember sitting on a bench in New York, I remember sitting crying, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
going, "God, why?" | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
Like, why me? I remember being really upset. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
I think that was kind of a crossroads for her. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
I think it was kind of like now she has to either really keep at it, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
or just give up and go. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
And she just sat there, and she thought to herself, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
"Do I really want to continue doing this?" | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
But when Rebecca left New York, she received an unexpected e-mail. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
At the end of X Factor, there's always, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
"If you want to apply next year, send us your e-mail." | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
So I'd sent my e-mail, and then I got... | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
I got an e-mail, randomly, saying, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
"Would you like to come to an audition on Saturday?" | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
So I was like, "Oh, forgot about that," nearly didn't go, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
because I had plans for the Saturday to go to... | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
Ladies' Day at the Grand National. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
Of course, yeah, and a good Scouse girl has got to do that. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
Yeah, you've got to go! | 0:21:38 | 0:21:39 | |
In fact, Rebecca had applied to be on the X Factor twice before. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
A lot of people don't realise, you have to go through | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
four or five stages before you even see a judge. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
Everyone thinks, oh, that big huge queue, people are... | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
No, you have to go through audition after audition after audition | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
just to get the chance to get rejected on national TV, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
so that's what she went through. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
So I was like, "What am I going to do?" | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
And I nearly didn't go, and then I thought, "No, I'll go, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
"and I'll take a friend with me, and the worst comes to the worst, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
"we'll go out in the night after the National, we'll have a laugh." | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
So I treated it as, just go and have fun, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
if you get through, great, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
if not, just go out and forget about it. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
-So you went. -I went, yeah, I did. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
-And? -And... | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
I sang for the man, the producer, and straightaway he said yes, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
and gave me like a gold ticket, like Willy Wonka's gold ticket. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
And I went, "Really?" And he went, "Yeah, you're through." | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
She didn't tell none of the family that she'd been doing it, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
and it was only when she got the audition, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
like the main one in front of the judges, that she said, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
"Do you want to come down?" I was a bit like, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
"You've got through to the judges?" | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
-She was like, "Yeah, yeah." -What's your name? | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
-Rebecca. -Rebecca, nice to meet you. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
What was it like walking out on stage in front of those judges? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
Oh, scary, really scary, yeah. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
I was scared. And the pressure was on me. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
I brought the kids with me to my audition, which is, like, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
in one way is a good thing, but it's not, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
because I was like, "My kids cannot see me fail." | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
And that was the biggest thing for me. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
"What if they see me fail?" That was hard, like. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
I remember Becky was really nervous. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
She kept on seeing people coming in and out, "Ohh", a bit rejected, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
and then you'd be a bit like, "Oh, when are we up? When are we up? | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
"When are we up?" And then I remember looking at her face, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
and she was looking down at her feet and thinking, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
"Please, don't mess it up." | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
In the end, when I was on stage, I just kind of... | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
I didn't think of Simon or any of the judges, I thought of the words, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
and I sang, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
I just sang the truth of how I felt. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
# I was born by the river... # | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
And I just remember this sort of demure... | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
..girl coming on stage, quite shy. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
What I do remember about Rebecca was how unusual a tone of voice she had. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
It was like they'd plucked somebody from a completely different era. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
I think that Rebecca's voice is exceptional. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
There are not many artists that can stop you in your tracks. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
I think it was just the sound of her voice that made them | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
sit up and listen, rather than the performance, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
because really the performance was just a shy girl from Liverpool, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
coming along, thinking, "I'm not going to get through this." | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
Can you remember the comments that the judges gave you? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
I remember the faces being very confused, more than the comments. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
I remember | 0:24:34 | 0:24:35 | |
Simon looked really confused. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
I don't know if it was because he was still undecided, I don't know. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
-Louis, yes or no? -Yes. -Thank you! | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
Definitely yes! | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
-Thank you. -You've got three yeses, congratulations. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
When she got the yeses, it was kind of like a relief, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
but it sounds cocky saying it, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
I always knew she was going to do well. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
I heard her every day in the shower. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
So it wasn't a shock to me. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Rebecca had to move to London for the duration of the show. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
You would be in The X Factor house. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:07 | |
-Yeah. -With all the other contestants. -Mm-hmm. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
That must have been a bit of a pressure cooker? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
Yeah, yeah, yeah, can be. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
We'd have the odd party, though, it was quite good. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
It was my time to be young, in a way, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
because I'd never had that youth, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
and so it would just be people drinking, having a laugh, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
dancing and parties, but I would, at the same time, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
try and take myself away as much as I could. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
The reality of such a big competition soon set in. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
I think the biggest pressure of a show like that is every single part | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
of you is scrutinised. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
It would be nice if it was just your vocal ability. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
It's like a very big competition, The X Factor, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
and even if you were having a normal week, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
where you had to perform a song just in your local hall, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
and you weren't sure what that song was going to be, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
you weren't sure of the words, you didn't know how it went, | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
you didn't know if it would suit you, that would be hard enough. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
But to be doing it in front of millions of people live on television, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
knowing you could make a fool of yourself, the pressure is immense. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
It is a pressure-cooker environment... | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
..on a talent show, because you're getting thrown so much, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
especially as they all have to perform covers, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
songs that they may not be familiar with. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
I think there's lots of up and downs, there's lots of emotions, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
everyone's tired, so there are tempers and there are tantrums | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
and there are all sorts of things. Some days you have a good week, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
and sometimes, really, you just don't want to be there. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
I think a few times she thought, "I just want to quit, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
"I want to go home and see my kids," | 0:26:38 | 0:26:39 | |
because at the time it's the longest period she'd ever spent away from | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
-her children, Karl and Lillie. -You can either fall by the wayside | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
or do what Rebecca did, in her own quiet way. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
She managed, without being demanding, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
or getting annoyed with anyone, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
or screaming and shouting, she manages to work hard on her own, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
and just at the end of the week have everyone else go, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
"Oh, my goodness, her song's good." | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
# Sweet dreams are made of this... # | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
And it was that work ethic, combined with Rebecca's striking voice, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
that kept her in the competition week after week. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
# ...and the seven seas... # | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
Her tone is very unique, and | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
I do remember Simon Cowell mentioning that, you know, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
"She's got a very recordable voice," and that stood out for me. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
You could imagine her on a record, you can imagine her selling albums, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
that voice on the radio, and everyone spotting it. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
Rebecca! | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
When my name got called, Sunday, I was amazed, I was in shock. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
Am I in the semifinals?! | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
Me aim was to get to the top three. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
I knew top three would... | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
would...give me a chance of a career, and that's all I wanted. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
I wanted a life for my family, and I knew if I get the top three, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
there's a chance. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:01 | |
# So, baby, if you want me... # | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
But to achieve her aim of a top-three place, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
Rebecca had to survive semifinal week. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
# Words are so easy to say... # | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
So that was a big night, and you sang, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
to get your place into the final of next week, you sang Amazing Grace. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
I did, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
# A-amaz-i-ing Grace | 0:28:20 | 0:28:27 | |
# Ho-o-ow sweet the sound... # | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
It was risky, in the sense that some people might have been like, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
"Oh, why is she singing a church song, why is she doing that?" | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
But I think, for her, she felt like, "No, I'm going to do this song, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
"because it means something to me." | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
But I seem to remember that it was Rebecca | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
that put that song into the pot. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
We had a lot of ideas, and obviously when it gets to the semifinal, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
you get more and more worried about the song choice being correct. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
# I once | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
# Was lost | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
# Bu-ut now | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
# I am found... # | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
I think, when we all really thought about it, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
we realised that that would be very unusual, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
and it would suit her voice, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:11 | |
but yet the way she was with lyrics and words, and meaning things, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
if it were something like that, which meant a lot to her, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
she would probably come across very well, with a song like that. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
# The hour | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
# That I first | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
# Believed... # | 0:29:27 | 0:29:34 | |
Why did you choose that? | 0:29:35 | 0:29:36 | |
It's one of those songs that means a lot to me anyway, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
but I remember at the time being so torn as I was singing it, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
like spiritually torn, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:45 | |
because being in a show like The X Factor | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
brings out the good and the bad. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
And I found myself changing throughout the show, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
because it's a competition, and it's literally, like, it's dog eat dog. | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
And I'd never had to fight, not like that, ever. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
And then I'd feel like I'd let God down, it was so... | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
Now I look back I was being, like, over the top, but... | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
So when I sang Amazing Grace, I remember being really emotional, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
but more because it reminded me of God's grace, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
and I felt like I needed it the most at that time, yeah. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
Live from London, it's The X factor final! | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
Rebecca made it to the finals, which was something of an all-star cast. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
So top three were Matt Cardle, you, and... | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
-One Direction, yeah. -And One Direction, wow! | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
I know. I said a prayer before I went through the doors, and I said, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
"Do you know what, God? | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
"If it's meant to be that I'll win, then I'll win, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
"but if you think it will be better that I come second, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
"then I'll trust you." | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
And so, I still half wanted to win! | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
I go through the doors... | 0:30:56 | 0:30:57 | |
The winner of the X Factor 2010 is... | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
Matt! | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
I have to admit, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
I was really disappointed when Rebecca didn't win. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
I felt she deserved it, because she is an incredible talent, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
she has an outstanding voice, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:16 | |
and she's just such a special girl who just didn't think she'd win, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
and that's why it would have been lovely. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
For a moment, I was sad, but then I thought, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
"OK, well, that's what's meant to be," | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
and I went over and I genuinely gave Matt a hug, and it was a genuine... | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
a genuine hug. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
OK, fella, come in here, congratulations. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:38 | |
Ultimately, you don't always have to be the outright winner, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
or the visible winner, to win. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
Give it up for this year's runner-up, Rebecca. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
People think that The X Factor is, once you win that, that's it, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
but it actually is the opportunity to then grow and become an artist, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
and to take you somewhere else. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
It's no problem being second, | 0:31:58 | 0:31:59 | |
because if you think about Susan Boyle, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
she was second, Olly Murs, need I say more? | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
# They watch us open-mouthed... # | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
And sure enough, being the runner-up | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
did kick-start Rebecca's career. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
One year on, and she released her debut album. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
# Watch what I can do... # | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
I went into a shop and the album was there. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
I just remember looking at that and thinking, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
"That's me sister, that." | 0:32:26 | 0:32:27 | |
# And I guess this world's not always good | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
# And nothing's real but love... # | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
Opportunities opened up that even established stars | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
can only dream about. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:39 | |
# No house, no car, no job | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
# Can beat love... # | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
I think a turning point for Rebecca as an artist was when she received | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
the e-mail to say that Lionel Richie had specifically chosen her. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
So now I want to introduce to you the voice. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
Rebecca Ferguson, everybody, Rebecca! | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
It was kind of a big deal, like, when you think of Lionel, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
he's like a megastar, huge. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
And I think, for her, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
it was kind of one of them moments when she was a bit like, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
"Has this really happened?" | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
# They tell me how much you care... # | 0:33:10 | 0:33:15 | |
It doesn't hurt to have these moments with other people | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
who have been doing it a lot longer than you. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
I mean, Lionel Richie's been around for decades, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
so I think it's good to encourage | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
younger artists to sort of collaborate | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
with musicians who have that experience. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
# My endless love... # | 0:33:32 | 0:33:38 | |
What was lovely with Lionel is the fact that he was so endearing | 0:33:40 | 0:33:45 | |
towards Rebecca, because of her nerves, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:46 | |
and would take time out of his day to settle them for her. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
It was just something special. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
Rebecca Ferguson, everybody! | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
To promote her debut album, Rebecca flew back to America. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
# Standing in a line | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
# Wonder why it don't move... # | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
Whilst in New York, Rebecca performed her single, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
Nothing's Real But Love, on a show called The View. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
Rebecca Ferguson's powerhouse performances on England's X Factor | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
have people comparing her to everyone from Aretha to Adele. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
# See who can be the worst | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
# And watch what I can do.... # | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
I remember sitting in the dressing room with Rebecca, | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
as we're getting ready, and there was a knock at the door, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
and as we open the door it was none other than Whoopi Goldberg. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
Now obviously Rebecca and I were gobsmacked with this, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
but there's Whoopi Goldberg, with a copy of Rebecca's album, saying, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
"Would you mind if Rebecca would please sign this for me?" | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
I was just like, "What is this? Like, this is weird!" | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
Like, why are you knocking on my door? | 0:34:53 | 0:34:54 | |
Like, why are you here? | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
But it was the excitement on her face, and I was just like, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
"You're Whoopi Goldberg!" | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
# And I guess this world's not always good | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
# And nothing's real but love | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
# Nothing's real but love... # | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
I remember driving back to the hotel, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
and as we were sitting in the back of the car, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:16 | |
we're watching the single climb on iTunes, and we, as a team, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
were screaming, cos it was going from 20, to 8, to 6, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
and I remember it peaked at 4, and that, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
as a little girl from Liverpool, to watch, was something else. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
Whilst she was in New York, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:34 | |
Rebecca took time out to find the park bench where, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
after her earlier failed audition, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
she had contemplated giving up on dreams of becoming a singer. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
# Holding it back for a rainy day... # | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
I went back a couple of years later to that same spot, which was nice. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
You found it? Where was the bench? | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
It's just before the second entrance to Central Park, yeah. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
So you were an Uptown Girl then? | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
-Yeah, I was, yeah, for a bit. -Yeah. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
# I got caught up in a daze | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
# Of the wine and roses | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
# Such a sweet escape... # | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
And at that stage does a bit of money start coming in? | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
It does, a lot of money, actually. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
It was unusual to have that much money, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
and I didn't have good advice! | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
I didn't have a clue about how you manage that type of money. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:31 | |
It was new, but how was I to know? | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
I was like a normal working-class girl done good. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
# The wicked echoes of my past | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
# Have seen it all before | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
# That's why I'm asking... # | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
What was the first thing you treated yourself to? | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
I rented a really nice apartment, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
like really nice, like swanky, for me. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
So that was a nice treat. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
So you could have the children and everything? | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
It was lovely, and I got me mum there, too. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
But it took me a while to really treat myself, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
it took me a good while to, like, buy myself a pair of nice shoes. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
But then, once I got into it, I got too many shoes! | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
Yeah. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:14 | |
But life on the road started to take its toll. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
Rebecca had split with her boyfriend before taking part in The X Factor. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
She was a single mum of two, often a long way from home. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
During promo, you're kind of out in the morning at 5:00, 6:00, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
and you don't get back until 12:00, and that's every day, consistently, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
for, like, three months. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:46 | |
You need to be a grafter, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
you need to be able to sleep on a wire and react in a second, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:54 | |
and it's a really gruelling, gruelling kind of schedule. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
I think the hardest struggle, though, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
was being away from her children for so long. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
We went to a church on Fifth Avenue in New York, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
and at that point we just went and sat, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
and we didn't speak, we didn't need to speak. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
She just needed at that time to refocus, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
and almost ask for the answers that she needed. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
After that, she made some life-changing decisions. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
Rebecca split from her management company. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
It was a critical time. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:31 | |
Back in Liverpool, she thought she'd found support | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
in a new family friend. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
And then another person came into your life - Rachel Taylor. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
Yes, mm. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:49 | |
She used to come and help me mum. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
Like, she'd do me mum's washing. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
She's someone that became a family friend. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
So she made sure she was indispensable to you? | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
She did, and she would arrive at | 0:39:00 | 0:39:01 | |
my house at seven o'clock in the morning | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
and she would leave nine o'clock at night. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:05 | |
-Really? -She would literally exhaust me. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
I remember, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
because she knew I liked to pray and things, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
I remember her going into the Catholic church | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
and bringing me a candle | 0:39:15 | 0:39:16 | |
and, like, little prayer books and things, saying, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
"I've just passed here, Rebecca." | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
She played on my emotions very well. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
Convinced me that she was good. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
I remember thinking there's something not right with this woman, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
something's not adding up, why she's round at my mum's so much, why... | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
People are nice, but no-one was as nice as this woman was being. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
It was a bit weird. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
She used to become close to Rebecca by using passages from the Bible | 0:39:43 | 0:39:48 | |
and playing on Rebecca's faith | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
to a point that Rebecca did become reliant on Rachel | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
to do certain things for her in her life. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
And was she somebody who said, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
"Oh, I can help you with the financial side"? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
She said she was an accountant and her husband a solicitor | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
and she convinced me to get rid of my whole team, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
she convinced me that everyone around me was... | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
..not doing their job properly. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
Who did you have in the team? | 0:40:16 | 0:40:17 | |
-What were their jobs? -I had accountants, solicitors, management, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
a tour manager, you name it. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
It was quite a big team and everyone... | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
She helped me get rid of everyone by telling me | 0:40:26 | 0:40:32 | |
things I didn't understand, like, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
"I have checked this online | 0:40:35 | 0:40:36 | |
"and this is this and this isn't right, Rebecca, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
"and people haven't filed this." | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
She convinced me of all these things. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
I think the hardest part for me was still trying to be a friend. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:51 | |
Rachel would answer her phone calls, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:52 | |
she would respond to her e-mails, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
she would answer her own front door. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
Rachel Taylor became the gatekeeper of Rebecca's life. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
But Rebecca had time to reflect when Rachel went on holiday. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
I had a gut "someone isn't right round me" | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
and I was praying about it, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
"Someone isn't right, whoever isn't right, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
"God, I just pray you reveal who it is." | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
She went on holiday and I started calling up companies and things, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
checking that she was doing what she was saying. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
And then when I called them, they were like, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
"We have no name on our file, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
"we don't have a contact, we've been sending you letters for weeks." | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
-To her office, not to you? -She'd been taking my mail. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
Every morning, she'd come and she'd take the mail. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
I'd go... And she'd go, "No, no, no, it's fine, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
"it's all business stuff," and she'd go off with the mail. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
So I didn't know what was happening, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
I didn't have a clue what she was doing. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
How did you confront her? | 0:41:47 | 0:41:48 | |
Heartbroken. I e-mailed her, more heartbroken than anything, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
it wasn't in an aggressive way, it was heartbreaking, it was like, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
"Have you done this to me?" | 0:41:59 | 0:42:00 | |
Because she was so close to me. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
The X Factor star Rebecca Ferguson today tearfully told a court how | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
her heart was broken by a con woman | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
who won her trust, then took her money. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
In court, Rachel Taylor pleaded guilty to false representation | 0:42:14 | 0:42:19 | |
after claiming she was a qualified accountant. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
She also admitted keeping thousands of pounds of Rebecca's money. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
She was sentenced to 16 months in prison. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
It was about more than what she robbed, it completely messed me up. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
I would say it has taken her innocence away a bit, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
she has kind of woke up to the world | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
a bit more and now she knows that | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
not everyone who comes into her life | 0:42:40 | 0:42:41 | |
is going to be there for the right reasons. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
I found myself missing the person I thought she was, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
which was really sad, because she used to say, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
"You know what, Rebecca? People have hurt you | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
"but I want you to know that I'm good and not everyone is bad." | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
I remember her having tears in her eyes as she said it, like, | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
she played a good game. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:01 | |
And so the lesson that I learnt was a cruel lesson, really, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
because I don't know what the lesson was, as in, do you trust no-one? | 0:43:06 | 0:43:11 | |
-Yeah. -How did your faith in God bear up under that kind of strain | 0:43:11 | 0:43:16 | |
and betrayal? It would be very easy to go, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
"Well, God can't exist, then, if he's let this happen." | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
I feel like I get a lot of trials thrown at me | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
and people read the papers about me | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
and think, "God, that girl has been through a lot, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
"how does she keep getting hurt?" | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
It would be very easy for me to turn my back on God, but, actually... | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
..everything that I have been through has ultimately ended up, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
it sounds really weird, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:42 | |
but my hard times have ended up being a blessing for someone else, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
so... | 0:43:46 | 0:43:47 | |
..I don't begrudge it, I don't look back and think, | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
"I wish that hadn't happened," I look back and think, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
"Actually," erm, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
"maybe I'm going to be used in a year or two or whenever and someone | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
"will be going through that | 0:44:01 | 0:44:02 | |
"and I will be able to speak wisdom into their life," yeah. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
That's a very generous way of looking at it | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
when you went through the wringer. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
Yeah. Yeah, it's a bit too generous, maybe! | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
Despite her personal troubles, | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
Rebecca continued to record and promote a second album. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:23 | |
# Just give it all that I've got | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
# Give it all that I've go-o-ot | 0:44:25 | 0:44:30 | |
# Let the healing start... # | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
Early in 2014, | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
she appeared on daytime TV's Loose Woman to sing her latest track. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
# I almost gave you everything | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
# But you failed. # | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
But as the song came to an end, it was clear all was not well. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
She's sort of just began to bend over in slow motion, | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
finished the song like an absolute pro, | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
and then sort of began to crumple until she just fell on the floor. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:04 | |
I was watching the show from the hotel room and I was thinking, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
"No, she's genuinely collapsed." | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
I just remember taking my shoes off | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
and hopping over to her and the first thing I wanted to do | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
was just loosen any tight clothing, as they say. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
My mum used to be a nurse | 0:45:19 | 0:45:20 | |
and I've done a million and one first-aid courses - | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
loosen tight clothing, make sure she was breathing, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
make sure she was OK. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
Twitter was going mad. People were saying that she had collapsed, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
that she fainted, that she had a heart attack - | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
I was getting a bit worried. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:33 | |
I remember watching Loose Woman and you were on there to sing | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
-and you collapsed. -I did. Yeah, I collapsed on that show. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
And we all thought, "What's the matter, what's happened?" | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
I felt ill before and I was like, "I'll be fine." | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
Got up, sang the song and the whole song I could not... | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
I shouldn't have been there, but I had to fight through it. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
I was like, "You're on live TV, get through it, get through it." | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
Then at the end I just thought, "No, I've got to just... | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
"dunno. I've got to hit the floor." | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
And you were pregnant. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
That's why I felt so ill and dizzy... | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
But did you know that? | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
No, I didn't know. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:07 | |
So, yeah, it turns out I was pregnant. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
The father of Arabella and you are not together - | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
-you never really were, were you? -No. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
Rebecca quickly realised | 0:46:21 | 0:46:22 | |
she would have to bring up her third child alone. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
It hit hard. She was due to work on her next album in LA, | 0:46:25 | 0:46:30 | |
where those around her tried to lift her spirits. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
We fly out to the other side of the world. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
I remember being... We were in the middle of LA, the sun's shining, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
and it was kind of like in the hotel, in a bed, just like slumped, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
blanket up to here, curtains drawn, and I remember thinking, | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
"Get up, we need to go and try and do something | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
"because you can't just sit in here wallowing." | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
Rebecca took a brief time-out and then she went back to the studio | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
and Rebecca did what she always does - put the emotions, | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
put the feelings into an album. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
There's a lot of lessons I learned through that. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
First of all, self-love - | 0:47:07 | 0:47:08 | |
I needed to love myself more and not give myself away that easily, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
but as well as that... | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
I've hopefully gone on to create something | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
that will inspire other women and help other people. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
But first it's time for some music, and performing her brilliant track, | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
Bones, it's Rebecca Ferguson. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:25 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
# I wish that you could see who I really am | 0:47:29 | 0:47:34 | |
# It's tough being a woman in love with an unkind man... # | 0:47:34 | 0:47:40 | |
All the trouble she has been through, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
there's been a lot of tests and different personal problems, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
but she always believes that everything happens for a reason, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
so whether it's bad or good, if it's good, then so be it, | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
but if it's bad you need to take that and you need to learn from it. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
# Have you even got a clue | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
# What I gave up just to be here? | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
# To serve you with your steak and beer | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
-# Baby, that's for love -Baby, that's for love | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
# Baby, that's for love... # | 0:48:07 | 0:48:08 | |
CHEERING | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
# All I've ever wanted was for your loving arms | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
# To wrap themselves around me and say... # | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
Rebecca put her experience and emotions | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
into the writing of the new album. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
# Come and lay your bones down with me | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
# Come and lay your bones down with me... # | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
We've prayed about this last album we did, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
that it will have a positive impact on people and... | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
..I think, as Christians, God is in everything we do. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:41 | |
# I'm not trying to play the victim | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
# Don't want to go head-to-head | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
# But, boy, I shouldn't have to stand in the mirror | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
# Convincing myself I'm fair... # | 0:48:50 | 0:48:51 | |
It's quite a shameful thing, I felt... | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
To have to go into the ins and outs of a relationship, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
"What was it, how long were you together?" | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
All this is really uncomfortable, | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
but I've spoke about it because I want people to be challenged, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
because I feel like it's so painful carrying a baby alone, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
I kept on thinking, | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
"Women are going through this, who's speaking about it?" | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
Because no-one is speaking about it. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
So I wanted to be... I've kind of spoke about it openly in the press. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:26 | |
Would you like to have a long-standing stable relationship | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
in your life or are you now so independent, | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
you've climbed so many hurdles? | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
I think I am independent, I can survive without a man, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
but I'm tired of having to be the strong one. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
It would be so nice to just say, "You know what? Over to you." | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
Because I feel like as a single mum | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
and a working mum in a tough industry | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
you need someone that is putting their arms round you, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
because I find myself having to be tougher than I am | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
and it would be so lovely to not have to do that | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
and just have someone else fight my battles, yeah. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
# You're the prettiest thing my eyes have ever known | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
# Come and lay your bones down with me | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
# Come and lay your bones down... # | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
What are your thoughts on fame? | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
Everybody wants a touch of fame, a taste of fame, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
you've had more of that than a lot of people - | 0:50:21 | 0:50:25 | |
is it all it's cracked up to be? | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
You can't get lost in it. It's a fickle industry. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
It can eat you up and chew you and spit you right back out. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
So I try and stay as grounded as I can. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
It's not what life is about, but it's quite nice. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
It's all right to go to an event and have a glass of champagne | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
and it's quite nice people being lovely to me, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
but I don't forget that I've got to go home, change nappies... | 0:50:48 | 0:50:54 | |
-..and be real, yeah. -So your children, | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
do you ever tell them what your life was like when you were their age? | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
I do, I'm very honest with them. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
I go, "You have no idea how lucky you are." | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
I'm trying to teach them to be good people. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
I don't know if they will be, but I'm doing my best. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
Do you take them to church? | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
I'm conscious that it's their personal journey. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
I wasn't taught that, it was like, "You will go to church," | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
you know what I mean? Whereas I'll just say, "Would you like to pray?" | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
"We're going to say prayers." | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
Then when we go into church, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
I tend to go less to services and more an empty church, | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
I don't know why. I find I'm closer to God that way, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
because I always feel like judgment, I don't know why, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
I feel like people might criticise me | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
because I'm not your standard Christian, like, I'm not perfect, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
I'm so backslidden, as people would say. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
There is no perfect Christian, that's the thing. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
There isn't, no. I don't think there is. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
Earlier this year, Rebecca turned 30 and celebrated with a trip to Paris. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
All Rebecca kept saying was how much she loved Paris - | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
it's got the clothes that she loves, the relaxed life, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:11 | |
the love of the city, and it was such a great weekend. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
Around two days after getting back, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:18 | |
I remember receiving a phone call from Rebecca to say, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
"I've found an apartment that I'm going to view." | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
So, "Well, where?" She said, "In Paris." | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
France, Paris - the best way I can describe it is bonkers. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:31 | |
It's the only way I can describe it. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:32 | |
She said it and I was a bit like... | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
"Why?" She was like... | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
"Eh, just feels right." And that was it, six weeks later she was moved. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
Why did you choose Paris? | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
It's so peaceful and it's just romantic, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
it's everything, it's beautiful, yeah, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
-I just fell in love with it. -How long have you been there? | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
Six months, almost six months now, yeah. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
And the children are in French schools? | 0:52:58 | 0:52:59 | |
The kids are due to start in January. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
Are they learning the language? | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
They are, yeah. They're starting to learn, which is good, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
it would be nice to have bilingual kids, so it's good. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
-And you too? -Yeah, I'm learning bits. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
I can get milk, bread, croissants, cheese and wine, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
which is all a girl needs. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:16 | |
She can go there and she knows when she's in France it's no work. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:22 | |
That's genuine time off. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
One thing that Rebecca is, as she would say herself, | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
is a hopeless romantic, | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
so that city is the perfect place for any kind of hopeless romantic. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
So what do you hope this new chapter will bring you? | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
I really want to be happy. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:38 | |
I would love to have peace. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
I feel like those years up to 30 | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
were hopefully the worst years of my life. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
It was a bit like, give the girl a break, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
so I'm hoping these are now my years of rest where I can enjoy my life, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:54 | |
-yeah. -What do you see in the future? | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
I'd love to settle down. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
I'd love to get married, I'd love to have more kids - | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
when I'm settled down, though. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:06 | |
I'd like to go back to America, I'd like to tour there again. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
I've got charity ambitions that I want to do in the future as well. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
I don't know, I've got loads of things that I'd love to do. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
# But I can't | 0:54:20 | 0:54:21 | |
# Go along with it... # | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
I think the fact that she's four albums in and still selling albums | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
and still competing with some of the biggest artists in the world | 0:54:27 | 0:54:32 | |
shows that she's got longevity. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:33 | |
# But fool as I am | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
# I won't go along with it... # | 0:54:35 | 0:54:38 | |
She has been knocked so many times in life | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
and in music and in business and with relationships | 0:54:41 | 0:54:46 | |
and she's just got up every time, got back up on her feet. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:51 | |
She's so resilient, she's so persistent. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:57 | |
Hopefully she'll look back on album number four and say, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
"Oh, that was just the beginning." | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
# And I don't mean to cry | 0:55:03 | 0:55:05 | |
# It's just the smoke gets in my eyes | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
# You're breathing | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
# Lies I want to believe in... # | 0:55:09 | 0:55:10 | |
You go through every tear in every word of every song with her. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:15 | |
You feel her pain, you feel her happiness, you feel the melancholy. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:20 | |
I think she's just an old soul | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
and I think the way that she performs is so elegant, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:25 | |
it's almost brutally honest, it's quite visceral. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
She is, without doubt, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
the most exceptional vocalist in her genre at the moment. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
# But I can't | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
# Go along with it... # | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
Somehow Rebecca's life experiences, | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
whether it's her faith or her upbringing | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
or her love for her children, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
all those things just come flooding out as soon as she sings a song that | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
is emotional and suddenly we're all believing every word she says, | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
and that's a really powerful thing that very few artists have, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
and the real stars have it and she is a real star. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
# I want to find the missing pieces | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
# Of the whole love I lost | 0:56:00 | 0:56:02 | |
# You say it like you mean it... # | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
What will you be doing this Christmas? | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
I'm spending it with me mum. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:09 | |
Me and Karl do a roll-on, roll-off of Christmases, | 0:56:09 | 0:56:14 | |
so one Christmas he'll have the kids and the next... | 0:56:14 | 0:56:16 | |
It's hard, but I think it's fair. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
So me and me mum, I'm going to treat her to a nice hotel and a nice meal | 0:56:19 | 0:56:24 | |
and I'm just going to make it all about me mum this year. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:28 | |
What is the best present you could wish for? | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
Something just for you? | 0:56:30 | 0:56:31 | |
Love would be nice. To meet someone lovely, | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
that would be the most perfect Christmas present for me at the minute. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
-I'll tick that, I'll put that on your list. -Yeah, Santa! -Yes. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:42 | |
I've got a Christmas present for you. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
Oh, I feel bad now. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
-I haven't got one. -Oh, well, never mind. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
This is for you from me and I hope... | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
You can open up, it's all right... | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
-Yes. Have a look. -Thank you. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
Oh, lovely. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:58 | |
Easy Learning French Pronunciation, love it. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:04 | |
And... | 0:57:04 | 0:57:05 | |
French - Learn In Just 12 Weeks. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
Well, this will benefit me a lot. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
I'll need it, yeah, thank you. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:12 | |
It will get you beyond the cheese and wine and a loaf of bread. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
It will. Yes, a girl does need more than that in France. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:19 | |
Rebecca, it's been lovely talking to you. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
-Happy Christmas, and here's to love. -And you. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
Here's to love, hopefully, yeah. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
Wow. What an amazing woman she is. At the beginning, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:40 | |
I was asking whether fame was all it is cracked up to be for her. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:44 | |
Well, I think it has been good for her, but it hasn't changed her, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
it has kept her balanced, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:49 | |
because she has three gorgeous children and a real life, | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
which is marvellous, and also her faith in God | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
definitely shone through. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
She's got her feet on the ground | 0:57:58 | 0:58:00 | |
and I hope she gets her present of true love - | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
that would be nice, wouldn't it? Happy Christmas. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 |