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-Welcome to the show.
-The world of sport, just like
-everything else, is full of emotion.
-The good, the bad, the ugly,
-all mixed up together.
-Our show tonight
-certainly reflects that.
-Here's what we have for you.
-The good. Alex Thomson's incredible
-journey in the Vendee Globe.
-From the high seas to the sheer
-mountains and Clwb Mynydda Cymru.
-A look at the derby match
-between Wrexham and Chester.
-The Hillsborough tragedy.
-The never-ending nightmare.
-A look ahead to that programme
-on S4C on Tuesday night.
-We also have ice hockey,
-the Foster's Cup rugby.
-I'm glad to say that Richard Tudor,
-the sailor, is with me today.
-He's here to help me celebrate
-the achievement of Alex Thomson.
-It was some achievement.
-Around the world in 74 days!
-The biggest challenge
-you can face in sailing.
-He's home safely as we watch
-the closing stages.
-More than 70 days on the sea.
-It all started back
-at the beginning of November.
-It was pretty exciting
-until the very end.
-After 71 days
-racing around the world...
-..Welshman Alex Thomson makes one
-last try to catch Armel Le Cleac'h.
-He closes the gap substantially
-by reaching exceptional speeds.
-The boat's on fire!
-We're going fast, currently 26!
-A new 24 hour record!
-It's about trying to get
-as close to Armel as possible.
-We keep on fighting.
-I am struggling with the steering.
-I've got some play
-in the steering system...
-..so I have to be quite attentive
-over the next 24-48 hours.
-I'll just have to give it a crack.
-It's a world record
-for a solo yachtsman...
-..as Alex Thomson travels
-536.81 miles in 24 hours.
-At one point, he closed the gap
-between him and Armel to 39 miles.
-But the Welshman's hopes of
-catching the Frenchman were fading.
-There's no real option
-for me any more.
-It doesn't look like there's any
-chance of an attack without wind.
-I think my options have run out.
-I'm very tired.
-I don't have any tension
-about the finish.
-I have tension about trying to make
-the autopilot work so I can sleep.
-It hasn't been easy recently
-with all the traffic on the sea.
-You have to be alert.
-The traffic increased as Le Cleac'h
-got closer to Les Sables d'Olonne.
-Everyone wanted to see the Frenchman
-crossing the finish line...
-..to win the Vendee Globe.
-I didn't give an inch.
-was a tough battle.
-I really wanted this win.
-Le Cleac'h finished in 74 days,
-3 hours, 35 minutes and 46 seconds.
-Alex Thomson finished second.
-It's finished, it's over.
-The race is as it is, and I'm
-very happy to be in second place...
-..and maybe next time
-it'll be one better.
-Alex sailed a beautiful race.
-He was a worthy opponent
-with so many virtues.
-A terrifying and wise opponent.
-Armel, he's a machine.
-He's such a great sailor.
-I think I have to say
-the team as well.
-Everybody views this
-as an individual race, but it's not.
-It's a team race, and Banque
-Populaire have done a wonderful job.
-Full credit to them.
-I congratulate them. Fantastic job.
-Fantastic. He deserves
-to celebrate after that race.
-Great scenes and
-so emotional at the end.
-You get that, Richard.
-It's starts as pride for finishing.
-There's sadness because it's over.
-There's also pleasure at
-bringing the boat back safely.
-Seeing the family and celebrating.
-Sadness at finishing and
-disappointment with second place?
-Does that come into it?
-I think a tiny bit of frustration
-at finishing second.
-He's been getting ready for
-this effort for a few years.
-It is a race in the end and winning
-is the only thing that counts.
-So, he'll go again.
-The winner had finished second
-a couple of times previously.
-Will that inspire
-Alex Thomson to go again?
-After a good long break
-and a good rest...
-..to work out the way forward.
-In my case I wanted to get
-right back out there on the seas.
-He'll have the same feelings
-and he'll be desperate to win it.
-I'm sure the sponsors are very happy
-with his success this time round.
-Here are shots of you
-racing a few years ago.
-This was on Hel Straeon on S4C.
-How much has the
-world of sailing changed?
-The technology has been transformed.
-It's nearly 25 years since
-I did a round the world race.
-My boat was seven feet
-longer than Alex's boat.
-My boat was also much heavier.
-His boat was made of
-the latest carbon fibre design.
-The foils make a huge difference.
-The passage of 25 years
-are clear from those pictures.
-Not at all. Great memories.
-We know about the physical challenge
-but what about the mental one?
-Alex was out there on his own.
-I had a crew with me.
-There are all kinds of emotions.
-What's next, is the boat safe?
-What will break next?
-What do I have to fix next?
-The weather plays a major role.
-Alex has also had to deal
-with a lack of sleep.
-All those things combined
-do mount up to quite a challenge.
-Some problems can't be fixed
-until you are done.
-It's an amazing experience.
-Sometimes, you don't
-want to be anywhere else.
-Other times, you hate it.
-I can well believe that.
-Alex Thomson's success
-will inspire sailing in Wales.
-We'll talk more about the work
-you do in Pwllheli later on.
-Thank you for that.
-These pictures are superb.
-Those from around the world
-and the Hel Straeon ones.
-We try to avoid going through too
-many highs and lows on Clwb 2...
-..but it's hard to avoid when you
-go from Sailing to Mountaineering.
-It's time to meet
-Clwb Mynydda Cymru.
-One of Wales' biggest sporting
-clubs with over 300 members.
-We met them as they took their
-annual jaunt on the Carneddau.
-I joined because I did do
-some solo mountaineering.
-By joining the club, I thought
-I'd go to different places...
-..and learn about my own country...
-..by walking in places
-I wouldn't usually visit.
-In the north,
-we go out walking every fortnight.
-There's a monthly walk
-in South Wales as well.
-There are Wednesday walks,
-which take place on lower ground.
-That appeals more to some people.
-The club also organizes
-numerous walking tours abroad.
-There are over 300 members.
-The programme is on the website.
-I usually look at the website
-to see what's on.
-If the walk suits me,
-and what the weather's like!
-It's not always like this.
-Sometimes, it's sunny!
-I'll then decide if I go or not.
-There's no commitment
-for everyone to go every time.
-You can choose your activities.
-Nothing beats a good cup of coffee
-to keep you warm.
-We'll start from here,
-..up to Bwlch Eryl Farchog...
-..on to Carnedd Llywelyn,
-Carnedd Dafydd and Pen yr Ole Wen.
-Then, we'll go down to Ffynnon Lloer
-and back to the cars at Glan Dena.
-We're hoping for a bit more snow
-on the peaks.
-That's what we like in winter.
-We've had a lot of trips as well.
-We go to Scotland every year.
-We're going next month to experience
-winter conditions, in a way.
-I've been to Ireland and Nepal.
-I've also been to South Wales,
-places where I wouldn't usually go.
-We go to the Alps, the Pyrenees,
-all kinds of places.
-We enjoy meeting new people
-from one week to the next.
-One recent development
-for the club...
-..in a joint venture
-with Gwasg Carreg Gwalch...
-..was publishing a book,
-It features 48 walks
-in all parts of Wales...
-..guiding people to the top
-of our country's main peaks.
-It would be nice if the sky was blue
-and the sun was out...
-..with hard snow underfoot
-and hearing the ice cracking.
-But this is the weather
-and we must enjoy what we get.
-Lovely to meet them
-up in the heights.
-Back to the seas
-with Richard Tudor now.
-We've been celebrating
-Alex Thomson's success.
-There's no direct connection with
-your sailing club in Pwllheli...
-..but is it a boost to your club
-and to sailing in Wales?
-Alex Thomson has brought
-sailing in Wales to the forefront.
-That's a good thing.
-However we can bring youngsters
-into our sport...
-..whether as racers, sailors
-or even as artisans...
-..working on making and fixing
-the boats, it's a good thing.
-We had Mari Davies on the show...
-raising money to buy a boat.
-She was a member of your academy.
-Is there a lot of interest
-from young people at the moment?
-The academy in Pwllheli has a
-building purpose built for sailing.
-It's a fantastic place.
-We hold events
-of the very highest quality.
-They come from all over.
-France, Australia, America,
-New Zealand, South Africa.
-They come to Pwllheli
-to race during the summer months.
-Mari is one of those who has
-enjoyed our facilities at Pwllheli.
-She's now at the very top
-of the 420 class of racing boats.
-It's an Olympic category.
-We have high hopes for her.
-A big name for the future, perhaps.
-As a youngsters growing up in that
-area what was the first thing...
-..that hooked you into
-racing on the waters?
-It was the big names in the sixties
-like Sir Francis Chichester...
-sailing the southern seas.
-They were in all the
-..between the icebergs
-on the huge oceans.
-It occurred to me that one day
-I might do something similar.
-I was very lucky in the end.
-Thank you for joining us
-in the studio.
-I'm sure we'll hear
-a lot more about Alex Thomson.
-Thank you for joining us.
-It's a break now but there's
-more sport when we return on Clwb 2.
-It'll include some rugby.
-Welcome back for some rugby.
-Earlier today, the draw was made...
-..for the last eight
-of the European Challenge Cup.
-The Blues and Ospreys have avoided
-The Blues travel to Gloucester...
-..and the Ospreys are home
-to Stade Francais.
-We now turn to the Foster's
-The final pool matches
-were played this week...
-..to decide the semi-finalists.
-It was all up for grabs at Rodney
-Parade as Newport welcomed Bedwas.
-A win would secure a
-semi-final spot for either team.
-Most of the points were scored
-in the final ten minutes.
-The visitors edged it with
-this late try for Adam Williams.
-Bedwas win the pool and
-go forward to the semi-finals.
-Swansea were already eliminated
-from semi-final contention...
-..but a win for Llandovery would
-keep their hopes alive in Pool 2.
-The visitors had the upper hand
-from the beginning...
-..showing inventive play and
-benefitting from a touch of luck...
-..to score a try
-through flanker, Richard Rees.
-Swansea battled back
-before the end of the first half.
-Rory Gallagher broke
-through the visitors' defence.
-The backs and forwards
-worked well together...
-..allowing Richard Thomas
-to score the try.
-too strong in the end.
-James Davies' slick passing put
-Jack Parkinson in for a second try.
-That secured the win.
-With Llandovery beating Swansea...
-..Quins had to beat Llanelli
-to reach the semi-finals.
-With Llanelli already eliminated
-it was fairly easy work in the end.
-Lawrence Reynolds claimed two of
-the five tries scored by the Quins.
-Despite Llandovery beating Swansea,
-the Quins progress from Pool 2.
-The game between Bargoed and Ebbw
-was moved to Eugene Cross Park...
-..because of floodlight failure.
-It didn't hinder
-the Bargoed performance.
-They ran out comfortable winners.
-Pontypridd may have
-..but there was still an
-exciting match at Sardis Road.
-The home team scored four tries
-including this one for Joe Davies.
-Merthyr showed why they had
-already won Pool 3 by fighting back.
-They scored five tries
-including this one for Adam Hoskins.
-Merthyr comfortably out in front in
-Pool 3 to progress to the last four.
-Aberavon knew they had to beat
-Cardiff to stay alive in the pool.
-The home team started strongly
-with Jakob Williams too quick...
-..in thought and deed for Cardiff.
-He stayed in support
-to score the try.
-Cardiff haven't had much success
-in this competition this season...
-..but there was a crumb of comfort
-in this try scored by Ceri Young.
-Good play by Corbisiero.
-The winger has set up the platform.
-Ryan Thomas continues the move
-and sets it up for Josh Guy.
-Guy out to Morgan Williams. That's
-a clean break by the fly half.
-The support is there from Llewellyn,
-who scores the try.
-He's extended the lead
-of the men in black.
-Morgan breaks away.
-The support is from Gareth Beer
-and then Garyn Daniel.
-The prop is too strong
-for the defence and he scores.
-Pearce claims the loose ball.
-The kick ahead is easy
-for Dan Howells.
-Mike Powell shows a clean
-pair of heels to the defence.
-Howells is there in support.
-He's going to close the gap
-for Bridgend to just one point.
-That's a dummy
-by the hooker, Merriman.
-The forwards set up
-the platform for Tantum.
-There are men on the wing waiting
-and it goes to the prop, Daniel.
-for the very first time.
-Murphy feeds the scrum.
-The scrum turns and
-Bridgend have the advantage.
-O'Driscoll to Murphy.
-Out to the wing and Matthew Edwards
-is chasing down his own kick.
-and seals the victory.
-Only one point separated
-the two at the top of Pool 4.
-Bridgend secure their place
-in the semi-finals.
-They are into the semi-finals.
-Next Saturday on S4C, there's
-live coverage of the National Cup.
-Llanelli take on Pontypool...
-..and we'll have highlights
-on Clwb 2 on Sunday night.
-By the way, Ralio on S4C on
-Wednesday features Elfyn Evans...
-..who is hitting the heights
-in the World Rally Championship.
-He finished sixth today
-in the Monte Carlo Rally.
-Many congratulations to him.
-It's ice hockey next.
-The Cardiff Devils had some
-big games this weekend...
-..and it all started
-in Coventry last night.
-Hold on tight, you'll need
-to concentrate watching this.
-There were four goals
-in the first five minutes.
-Layne Ulmer got the first
-for the Devils.
-Coventry Blaze responded
-TJ Syner took advantage of some
-indecisive defending to level it.
-Only 30 seconds later
-the home side were in front.
-Another untidy goal
-with Ashley Tait the scorer.
-The Devils' second
-was much better...
-..with the head coach, Andrew Lord,
-finishing off a good move...
-..after losing three matches
-The second period
-was even more crazy.
-Joey Martin made it 3-2
-to the Devils.
-Everything was going
-the way of the Devils.
-Ulmer took advantage after some good
-work from Doucet and Bentivoglio.
-It soon became 5-2 thanks
-to the best move of the match.
-End to end stuff and a scintillating
-pass from Matthew Myers...
-..set up Ulmer for his hat-trick.
-If you thought that was it,
-you were mistaken.
-Every game is a fiery encounter
-but this one almost exploded.
-..and players being sent off
-left, right and centre.
-A busy period for the officials.
-Amidst all the confusion, Coventry
-managed to get back into the match.
-A clever pass created the chance
-for Shawn Boutin to make it 5-3.
-With two Cardiff players off
-the ice, Marc Cantin made it 5-4.
-Coventry tried to level the score
-in the final period...
-..but Bordeleau picked up the puck
-and fed Jake Morissette.
-No problem for him. 6-4.
-You wouldn't expect that to be that.
-Cardiff had two players off again
-and Blaze scored again...
-..this time through Brett Robinson.
-With Coventry on the attack, the
-Devils broke free to win the match.
-Jake Morissette kept his cool
-The Devils celebrated
-following all the madness.
-The Devils lost tonight
-against Sheffield Steelers...
-..which means it's even closer
-at the top of the Elite League.
-Welcome back as we turn
-our attention to football.
-My guest is very familiar
-with the world of football.
-He has seen most of it!
-welcome to the programme.
-Dylan has made a special programme
-for S4C about Hillsborough.
-It airs this week.
-We'll discuss it later
-after we've seen a bit of football.
-It was quite a weekend as Swansea
-City won against Liverpool.
-Cardiff beat Burton thanks to
-Rhys Healey, once of Connah's Quay.
-Newport won a point
-but what about Wrexham?
-They faced their neighbours
-and fiercest enemies, Chester.
-Elliott Durrell, the former Wrexham
-player, takes the Chester free kick.
-Astles with the touch
-and it hits the bar!
-It falls for the captain, Tom Shaw.
-He blasted it over.
-Johnny Hunt is another former
-Carrington steals it.
-McLeod passes back to Russell Penn.
-Anthony Barry has time to weigh up
-his cross towards Jordan White.
-He's up with the keeper, Lynch,
-and it falls for Rooney!
-It's a corner kick to Wrexham
-from the shot by John Rooney.
-Durrell with the corner
-towards Kane Richards.
-It's back to Durrell.
-Alibi puts Chester in front!
-No, it's offside.
-Mr Hicks was right on the spot
-and Dean Keates is thankful.
-Theo Vassell is a defender
-who loves going forward.
-He has a powerful left foot!
-Chris Dunn makes the save
-but concedes the corner.
-Barry to Paul Rutherford.
-They combine well down the right
-as Barry gets the ball again.
-Ryan Astles, once of Rhyl,
-makes the clearance.
-Rutherford kept his eyes
-on the ball, as did Astles.
-Penn to Mark Carrington.
-Carrington to Barry.
-Just look at the time and space
-that Barry has, Rooney!
-Wrexham take the lead
-through John Rooney...
-into the second half.
-Barry was given the Freedom
-of Chester to make that cross.
-Rooney with the goal.
-This is Rutherford.
-Once again, Barry
-is in acres of space.
-Rooney calls for it.
-Astles with the interception
-up to Durrell.
-Durrell goes past Penn.
-He spreads the play
-towards James Alibi.
-A lovely pass from Elliott Durrell.
-James Jennings is the defender.
-Penn is also there.
-Penn brings down Alibi
-and it's a penalty!
-Once again, Mr Hicks
-was in the right place.
-No doubt in the referee's mind
-but how much contact was there?
-Not much indeed.
-Alibi against Dunn
-and Dunn is sent the wrong way.
-It's all square.
-Just look at what it means
-to James Alibi.
-Chester 1-1 Wrexham.
-Barry to Rutherford.
-How many times have we mentioned
-Barry still has it and, once again,
-he has the chance to cross the ball.
-A superb save by Alex Lynch
-to deny Carrington.
-Shaw out to Vassell.
-Luke George demands the ball
-and Rutherford is brought down.
-been shown a yellow card.
-It's a second yellow...
-..and Chester will play
-the final 15 minutes with ten men.
-A red card for Luke George.
-Tilt to Rutherford and the touch
-from Massanka towards Rooney.
-It comes back to Rutherford!
-That was a hair's breadth
-wide of the post.
-it wasn't a penalty.
-it wasn't a penalty.
-I'll look back and see it again.
-It was given.
-Am I surprised? No, not really.
-didn't go our way.
-My biggest concern
-was that we were on the break.
-It's ended up going
-from their 18-yard box...
-..after some decent play by us.
-Then we give the penalty away.
-that needs addressing.
-A point for Wrexham away from home.
-Dylan Llewelyn is my guest.
-Both teams are outside the league...
-..but it's still competitive
-The highlight of their season
-are the two derby games.
-Especially at this time of year when
-all hope of promotion has gone...
-..unless you're an eternal optimist.
-They look forward to this game...
-..but they will be disappointed
-not to have closed out the match.
-It was a harsh penalty...
-..but an extra two points might
-have brought a glimmer of hope.
-After that draw, they will
-look forward to next season.
-They will be playing Chester
-Let's take a look at the table.
-I am an optimist and they're closer
-to the play-offs than relegation.
-That hasn't meant much this season.
-Is there any hope?
-There next two games are
-Boreham Wood and Guiseley at home.
-They are games
-you would expect them to win.
-Swansea proved this weekend
-that no game is a sure thing.
-They tend to slip up against these
-smaller, part-time teams.
-They seem to lift their game
-against Wrexham at the Racecourse.
-Then they play away at Dover.
-If they could win those three games,
-I might agree with you.
-It's a tough ask.
-I'm an eternal optimist.
-We have to talk about Swansea.
-Liverpool fans won't agree
-but what a result!
-You thought they were doomed
-with Hull and Sunderland.
-Has one afternoon changed
-it all for Swansea?
-They didn't concede three,
-like they usually do.
-They conceded two
-but showed plenty of character.
-To be honest,
-Liverpool did help them.
-The first half was an extended
-training session for Paul Clement.
-They made it easy for them.
-Tactically and with enthusiasm...
-..they were definitely
-playing for the manager.
-They haven't done that all season.
-They deserved it. Three efforts
-on goal and three goals.
-Llorente was on fire
-and Sigurdsson scored the winner.
-There is hope but they have
-to beat the teams around them...
-..rather than producing
-the odd shock result.
-It was quite an afternoon
-and a great weekend for Swansea.
-There's a big weekend
-to come next weekend.
-Sgorio is live from the Oval
-in Caernarfon as they meet Rhyl...
-..in the Welsh Cup.
-Earlier this week...
-..Malcs went to meet the man who is
-inspiring the Cofis, Nathan Craig.
-Caernarfon can't wait
-for the match against Rhyl...
-..in the Welsh Cup next Saturday.
-Caernarfon has always been
-a football town.
-Football and Caernarfon FC...
-..have been close to the heart
-of one very special Cofi...
-Everyone in the town know you...
-..but your footballing journey
-didn't begin in Caernarfon.
-It was at Everton.
-Yes, I signed for Everton
-when I was twelve.
-The following week they told me...
-..they were flying out to Boston,
-Massachusetts, in America.
-There was an U12s tournament
-out in America.
-They invited me along.
-The first thing I had to do
-was speak English!
-I wasn't used to that
-coming from Caernarfon!
-You played at the Everton Academy
-and did well.
-Wales then came knocking.
-I remember how it felt to wear a
-Wales shirt but how did you feel?
-There's no better feeling.
-Walking out, wearing the shirt
-and singing the National Anthem.
-From that U21 side, many of the
-players have done really well.
-Joe Allen, Neil Taylor, Ashley
-'Jazz' Richards, Wayne Hennessey.
-You played with those players
-in the U21 side.
-How did it feel watching them
-in France last summer?
-It was a bit odd.
-I used to room with
-Ashley 'Jazz' Richards...
-..when we travelled to countries
-like Turkey to play in tournaments.
-It was a bit odd
-and I was also a bit gutted.
-They are the players
-that I've come through with...
-..in the U17s and U21s.
-It was good to see them succeed.
-You did well and got into
-the Wales set-up...
-..and you must have hoped to
-break into the Everton side.
-It looked like you would
-but what went wrong?
-I didn't feel that confident.
-When I turned 18...
-..Everton signed Bilyaletdinov
-for 20 plus million.
-He didn't get a place
-in the first team!
-I played every week
-in the reserves...
-..and he was on the bench
-for the first team.
-There is a pecking order
-at every football club.
-It was disappointing.
-No-one likes to be released
-from a football club.
-I remember the day
-I left the training ground in shock.
-I realised that I had tried my best
-and had done everything I could.
-These days, you are Mr Caernarfon.
-You visit all the local schools.
-You get to spot
-all the young talent.
-I visit local primary schools
-and secondary ones like Syr Hugh.
-I also run after-school clubs
-in the primary schools.
-We target schools in Caernarfon
-Now to the big game against Rhyl.
-Last season, you weren't promoted
-despite winning your division.
-Is there a point to prove
-We're the underdogs
-from a lower division.
-We'll play the game without
-We will enjoy the game
-and it's live on the television.
-Last time we played in front of
-the TV cameras was against TNS.
-of that opening half an hour...
-..and carry on against Rhyl with
-the crowd behind us, we can win.
-I don't know about you, but I'm
-looking forward to Saturday.
-Thanks for the cuppa and good luck.
-Thanks for the cuppa!
-Surely Malcolm paid for the drinks?
-We're all looking forward to that
-game live on Sgorio on Saturday.
-Caernarfon taking on Rhyl.
-Looking forward might not be
-the most fitting words...
-..for mentioning the football
-documentary on Tuesday on S4C.
-Dylan Llewelyn has produced it.
-It's called Hillsborough,
-Yr Hunllef Hir. (The Long Nightmare)
-Here's a clip.
-I can't see or hear
-the name Hillsborough...
-..without it taking me back to 1989.
-It sends a shiver down my spine.
-A real shiver like pins and needles.
-A physical sensation.
-The happiest day of your life,
-This shouldn't happen
-at a football match.
-The fear that loved ones
-weren't coming home...
-..was just something
-I wouldn't wish on anybody.
-It was absolutely dreadful.
-The disaster is people dying.
-The tragedy was how the families and
-survivors were treated afterwards.
-Never pick on people from Liverpool
-because they'll come back.
-They did pick on the wrong people
-because they are unbelievable.
-I feel guilty to this day.
-I froze on the spot
-and didn't help anyone.
-I must live with that.
-It's something I try to forget.
-Yes, it's hard.
-That programme is
-on S4C on Tuesday night.
-Dylan Llewelyn produced it.
-Was it as hard to make
-as it is to watch?
-The whole process has been so hard.
-It was a real challenge.
-Pleasure isn't the word
-but there is a satisfaction.
-It was an honour to speak to and
-meet them and share experiences.
-It's also important to remind people
-that this is still on-going.
-People may assume it's
-all over after so many years...
-..but we haven't got there yet.
-Difficult but an honour.
-Closure is the big term.
-Is what happened afterwards the
-thing that drives them onwards?
-One of the campaigners, Phil
-Scraton, appears on the programme.
-He has some interesting thoughts on
-closure and disclosure.
-I think we are getting closer
-to the end of the campaign.
-Programmes like the one coming up
-show it is important...
-..to talk openly about
-feelings and pain and the grief.
-Anything that helps people
-get to that point is useful.
-I'm glad I've had
-the chance to contribute.
-There's still the tendency to
-use terms like disaster lightly.
-There were people on the radio
-using it to describe...
-defeat to Swansea yesterday.
-Context is everything.
-Even some Liverpool fans need
-reminding what happened...
-..and that a disaster is something
-that stays with you forever.
-It is one of those JFK moments.
-I remember going to Hillsborough
-for the first time.
-You suddenly remember
-and it takes your breath away.
-Had you been back there
-before you made this programme?
-I had never been back.
-Going back there gives you a chill.
-Everyone knows the name.
-Hillsborough is indelibly connected
-with that disaster.
-I heard someone memorably say
-..that it's another city's disaster.
-Some things will never be
-The stadium, the Leppings Lane End,
-carries a very dark connotation.
-Thank you for joining us.
-Everyone should watch
-Thank you for joining us on Clwb 2.
-We're back next Sunday but there's
-lots of sport on S4C this week.
-It includes the
-Hillsborough programme on Tuesday.
-Sgorio tomorrow, Ralio and
-rugby and football on Saturday.
-Plenty for all.
-See you next week. Goodnight.