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-Welcome to the show.

-The world of sport, just like

-everything else, is full of emotion.

-The good, the bad, the ugly,

-all mixed up together.

-Our show tonight

-certainly reflects that.

-Here's what we have for you.

-The good. Alex Thomson's incredible

-journey in the Vendee Globe.

-From the high seas to the sheer

-mountains and Clwb Mynydda Cymru.

-A look at the derby match

-between Wrexham and Chester.

-The Hillsborough tragedy.

-The never-ending nightmare.

-A look ahead to that programme

-on S4C on Tuesday night.

-We also have ice hockey,

-the Foster's Cup rugby.

-I'm glad to say that Richard Tudor,

-the sailor, is with me today.

-He's here to help me celebrate

-the achievement of Alex Thomson.

-It was some achievement.

-Around the world in 74 days!

-The biggest challenge

-you can face in sailing.

-He's home safely as we watch

-the closing stages.

-More than 70 days on the sea.

-It all started back

-at the beginning of November.

-It was pretty exciting

-until the very end.

-After 71 days

-racing around the world...

-..Welshman Alex Thomson makes one

-last try to catch Armel Le Cleac'h.

-He closes the gap substantially

-by reaching exceptional speeds.

-The boat's on fire!

-We're going fast, currently 26!

-25!

-26!

-A new 24 hour record!

-Whoo!

-It's about trying to get

-as close to Armel as possible.

-We keep on fighting.

-I am struggling with the steering.

-I've got some play

-in the steering system...

-..so I have to be quite attentive

-over the next 24-48 hours.

-I'll just have to give it a crack.

-It's a world record

-for a solo yachtsman...

-..as Alex Thomson travels

-536.81 miles in 24 hours.

-At one point, he closed the gap

-between him and Armel to 39 miles.

-But the Welshman's hopes of

-catching the Frenchman were fading.

-There's no real option

-for me any more.

-It doesn't look like there's any

-chance of an attack without wind.

-I think my options have run out.

-I'm very tired.

-I don't have any tension

-about the finish.

-I have tension about trying to make

-the autopilot work so I can sleep.

-It hasn't been easy recently

-with all the traffic on the sea.

-You have to be alert.

-The traffic increased as Le Cleac'h

-got closer to Les Sables d'Olonne.

-Everyone wanted to see the Frenchman

-crossing the finish line...

-..to win the Vendee Globe.

-I didn't give an inch.

-Every metre

-was a tough battle.

-I really wanted this win.

-Le Cleac'h finished in 74 days,

-3 hours, 35 minutes and 46 seconds.

-Alex Thomson finished second.

-It's finished, it's over.

-The race is as it is, and I'm

-very happy to be in second place...

-..and maybe next time

-it'll be one better.

-Alex sailed a beautiful race.

-He was a worthy opponent

-with so many virtues.

-A terrifying and wise opponent.

-Armel, he's a machine.

-He's such a great sailor.

-I think I have to say

-the team as well.

-Everybody views this

-as an individual race, but it's not.

-It's a team race, and Banque

-Populaire have done a wonderful job.

-Full credit to them.

-I congratulate them. Fantastic job.

-Fantastic. He deserves

-to celebrate after that race.

-Great scenes and

-so emotional at the end.

-You get that, Richard.

-It's starts as pride for finishing.

-There's sadness because it's over.

-There's also pleasure at

-bringing the boat back safely.

-Seeing the family and celebrating.

-Sadness at finishing and

-disappointment with second place?

-Does that come into it?

-I think a tiny bit of frustration

-at finishing second.

-He's been getting ready for

-this effort for a few years.

-It is a race in the end and winning

-is the only thing that counts.

-So, he'll go again.

-The winner had finished second

-a couple of times previously.

-Will that inspire

-Alex Thomson to go again?

-After a good long break

-and a good rest...

-..to work out the way forward.

-In my case I wanted to get

-right back out there on the seas.

-He'll have the same feelings

-and he'll be desperate to win it.

-I'm sure the sponsors are very happy

-with his success this time round.

-Here are shots of you

-racing a few years ago.

-This was on Hel Straeon on S4C.

-How much has the

-world of sailing changed?

-The technology has been transformed.

-It's nearly 25 years since

-I did a round the world race.

-My boat was seven feet

-longer than Alex's boat.

-My boat was also much heavier.

-His boat was made of

-the latest carbon fibre design.

-The foils make a huge difference.

-The passage of 25 years

-are clear from those pictures.

-Not at all. Great memories.

-We know about the physical challenge

-but what about the mental one?

-Alex was out there on his own.

-I had a crew with me.

-There are all kinds of emotions.

-What's next, is the boat safe?

-What will break next?

-What do I have to fix next?

-The weather plays a major role.

-Alex has also had to deal

-with a lack of sleep.

-All those things combined

-do mount up to quite a challenge.

-Some problems can't be fixed

-until you are done.

-It's an amazing experience.

-Sometimes, you don't

-want to be anywhere else.

-Other times, you hate it.

-I can well believe that.

-Alex Thomson's success

-will inspire sailing in Wales.

-We'll talk more about the work

-you do in Pwllheli later on.

-Thank you for that.

-These pictures are superb.

-Those from around the world

-and the Hel Straeon ones.

-We try to avoid going through too

-many highs and lows on Clwb 2...

-..but it's hard to avoid when you

-go from Sailing to Mountaineering.

-It's time to meet

-Clwb Mynydda Cymru.

-One of Wales' biggest sporting

-clubs with over 300 members.

-We met them as they took their

-annual jaunt on the Carneddau.

-I joined because I did do

-some solo mountaineering.

-By joining the club, I thought

-I'd go to different places...

-..and learn about my own country...

-..by walking in places

-I wouldn't usually visit.

-In the north,

-we go out walking every fortnight.

-There's a monthly walk

-in South Wales as well.

-There are Wednesday walks,

-which take place on lower ground.

-That appeals more to some people.

-The club also organizes

-numerous walking tours abroad.

-There are over 300 members.

-The programme is on the website.

-I usually look at the website

-to see what's on.

-If the walk suits me,

-and what the weather's like!

-It's not always like this.

-Sometimes, it's sunny!

-I'll then decide if I go or not.

-There's no commitment

-for everyone to go every time.

-You can choose your activities.

-Nothing beats a good cup of coffee

-to keep you warm.

-We'll start from here,

-Ffynnon Llugwy...

-..up to Bwlch Eryl Farchog...

-..on to Carnedd Llywelyn,

-Carnedd Dafydd and Pen yr Ole Wen.

-Then, we'll go down to Ffynnon Lloer

-and back to the cars at Glan Dena.

-We're hoping for a bit more snow

-on the peaks.

-That's what we like in winter.

-We've had a lot of trips as well.

-We go to Scotland every year.

-We're going next month to experience

-winter conditions, in a way.

-Since joining,

-I've been to Ireland and Nepal.

-I've also been to South Wales,

-places where I wouldn't usually go.

-We go to the Alps, the Pyrenees,

-all kinds of places.

-We enjoy meeting new people

-from one week to the next.

-One recent development

-for the club...

-..in a joint venture

-with Gwasg Carreg Gwalch...

-..was publishing a book,

-Copaon Cymru.

-It features 48 walks

-in all parts of Wales...

-..guiding people to the top

-of our country's main peaks.

-It would be nice if the sky was blue

-and the sun was out...

-..with hard snow underfoot

-and hearing the ice cracking.

-But this is the weather

-and we must enjoy what we get.

-Lovely to meet them

-up in the heights.

-Back to the seas

-with Richard Tudor now.

-We've been celebrating

-Alex Thomson's success.

-There's no direct connection with

-your sailing club in Pwllheli...

-..but is it a boost to your club

-and to sailing in Wales?

-Alex Thomson has brought

-sailing in Wales to the forefront.

-That's a good thing.

-However we can bring youngsters

-into our sport...

-..whether as racers, sailors

-or even as artisans...

-..working on making and fixing

-the boats, it's a good thing.

-We had Mari Davies on the show...

-..talking about

-raising money to buy a boat.

-She was a member of your academy.

-Is there a lot of interest

-from young people at the moment?

-The academy in Pwllheli has a

-building purpose built for sailing.

-It's a fantastic place.

-We hold events

-of the very highest quality.

-They come from all over.

-France, Australia, America,

-New Zealand, South Africa.

-They come to Pwllheli

-to race during the summer months.

-Mari is one of those who has

-enjoyed our facilities at Pwllheli.

-She's now at the very top

-of the 420 class of racing boats.

-It's an Olympic category.

-We have high hopes for her.

-A big name for the future, perhaps.

-As a youngsters growing up in that

-area what was the first thing...

-..that hooked you into

-racing on the waters?

-It was the big names in the sixties

-like Sir Francis Chichester...

-..and Knox-Johnson

-sailing the southern seas.

-They were in all the

-magazines sailing...

-..between the icebergs

-on the huge oceans.

-It occurred to me that one day

-I might do something similar.

-I was very lucky in the end.

-Thank you for joining us

-in the studio.

-I'm sure we'll hear

-a lot more about Alex Thomson.

-Thank you for joining us.

-It's a break now but there's

-more sport when we return on Clwb 2.

-It'll include some rugby.

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-Welcome back for some rugby.

-Earlier today, the draw was made...

-..for the last eight

-of the European Challenge Cup.

-The Blues and Ospreys have avoided

-each other.

-The Blues travel to Gloucester...

-..and the Ospreys are home

-to Stade Francais.

-We now turn to the Foster's

-Challenge Cup.

-The final pool matches

-were played this week...

-..to decide the semi-finalists.

-It was all up for grabs at Rodney

-Parade as Newport welcomed Bedwas.

-A win would secure a

-semi-final spot for either team.

-Most of the points were scored

-in the final ten minutes.

-The visitors edged it with

-this late try for Adam Williams.

-Bedwas win the pool and

-go forward to the semi-finals.

-Swansea were already eliminated

-from semi-final contention...

-..but a win for Llandovery would

-keep their hopes alive in Pool 2.

-The visitors had the upper hand

-from the beginning...

-..showing inventive play and

-benefitting from a touch of luck...

-..to score a try

-through flanker, Richard Rees.

-Swansea battled back

-before the end of the first half.

-Rory Gallagher broke

-through the visitors' defence.

-The backs and forwards

-worked well together...

-..allowing Richard Thomas

-to score the try.

-Llandovery were

-too strong in the end.

-James Davies' slick passing put

-Jack Parkinson in for a second try.

-That secured the win.

-With Llandovery beating Swansea...

-..Quins had to beat Llanelli

-to reach the semi-finals.

-With Llanelli already eliminated

-it was fairly easy work in the end.

-Lawrence Reynolds claimed two of

-the five tries scored by the Quins.

-Despite Llandovery beating Swansea,

-the Quins progress from Pool 2.

-The game between Bargoed and Ebbw

-was moved to Eugene Cross Park...

-..because of floodlight failure.

-It didn't hinder

-the Bargoed performance.

-They ran out comfortable winners.

-Pontypridd may have

-been eliminated...

-..but there was still an

-exciting match at Sardis Road.

-The home team scored four tries

-including this one for Joe Davies.

-Merthyr showed why they had

-already won Pool 3 by fighting back.

-They scored five tries

-including this one for Adam Hoskins.

-Merthyr comfortably out in front in

-Pool 3 to progress to the last four.

-Aberavon knew they had to beat

-Cardiff to stay alive in the pool.

-The home team started strongly

-with Jakob Williams too quick...

-..in thought and deed for Cardiff.

-He stayed in support

-to score the try.

-Cardiff haven't had much success

-in this competition this season...

-..but there was a crumb of comfort

-in this try scored by Ceri Young.

-Good play by Corbisiero.

-The winger has set up the platform.

-Ryan Thomas continues the move

-and sets it up for Josh Guy.

-Guy out to Morgan Williams. That's

-a clean break by the fly half.

-The support is there from Llewellyn,

-who scores the try.

-He's extended the lead

-of the men in black.

-Morgan breaks away.

-The support is from Gareth Beer

-and then Garyn Daniel.

-The prop is too strong

-for the defence and he scores.

-Pearce claims the loose ball.

-The kick ahead is easy

-for Dan Howells.

-Mike Powell shows a clean

-pair of heels to the defence.

-Howells is there in support.

-He's going to close the gap

-for Bridgend to just one point.

-That's a dummy

-by the hooker, Merriman.

-The forwards set up

-the platform for Tantum.

-There are men on the wing waiting

-and it goes to the prop, Daniel.

-Bridgend lead

-for the very first time.

-Murphy feeds the scrum.

-The scrum turns and

-Bridgend have the advantage.

-O'Driscoll to Murphy.

-Out to the wing and Matthew Edwards

-is chasing down his own kick.

-Edwards scores

-and seals the victory.

-Only one point separated

-the two at the top of Pool 4.

-Bridgend secure their place

-in the semi-finals.

-They are into the semi-finals.

-Next Saturday on S4C, there's

-live coverage of the National Cup.

-Llanelli take on Pontypool...

-..and we'll have highlights

-on Clwb 2 on Sunday night.

-By the way, Ralio on S4C on

-Wednesday features Elfyn Evans...

-..who is hitting the heights

-in the World Rally Championship.

-He finished sixth today

-in the Monte Carlo Rally.

-Many congratulations to him.

-It's ice hockey next.

-The Cardiff Devils had some

-big games this weekend...

-..and it all started

-in Coventry last night.

-Hold on tight, you'll need

-to concentrate watching this.

-There were four goals

-in the first five minutes.

-Layne Ulmer got the first

-for the Devils.

-Coventry Blaze responded

-almost immediately.

-TJ Syner took advantage of some

-indecisive defending to level it.

-Only 30 seconds later

-the home side were in front.

-Another untidy goal

-with Ashley Tait the scorer.

-The Devils' second

-was much better...

-..with the head coach, Andrew Lord,

-finishing off a good move...

-..after losing three matches

-last week.

-The second period

-was even more crazy.

-Joey Martin made it 3-2

-to the Devils.

-Everything was going

-the way of the Devils.

-Ulmer took advantage after some good

-work from Doucet and Bentivoglio.

-It soon became 5-2 thanks

-to the best move of the match.

-End to end stuff and a scintillating

-pass from Matthew Myers...

-..set up Ulmer for his hat-trick.

-If you thought that was it,

-you were mistaken.

-Every game is a fiery encounter

-but this one almost exploded.

-Arguments, fighting...

-..and players being sent off

-left, right and centre.

-A busy period for the officials.

-Amidst all the confusion, Coventry

-managed to get back into the match.

-A clever pass created the chance

-for Shawn Boutin to make it 5-3.

-With two Cardiff players off

-the ice, Marc Cantin made it 5-4.

-Coventry tried to level the score

-in the final period...

-..but Bordeleau picked up the puck

-and fed Jake Morissette.

-No problem for him. 6-4.

-You wouldn't expect that to be that.

-Cardiff had two players off again

-and Blaze scored again...

-..this time through Brett Robinson.

-With Coventry on the attack, the

-Devils broke free to win the match.

-Jake Morissette kept his cool

-The Devils celebrated

-following all the madness.

-The Devils lost tonight

-against Sheffield Steelers...

-..which means it's even closer

-at the top of the Elite League.

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-Welcome back as we turn

-our attention to football.

-My guest is very familiar

-with the world of football.

-He has seen most of it!

-Dylan Llewelyn,

-welcome to the programme.

-Dylan has made a special programme

-for S4C about Hillsborough.

-It airs this week.

-We'll discuss it later

-after we've seen a bit of football.

-It was quite a weekend as Swansea

-City won against Liverpool.

-Cardiff beat Burton thanks to

-Rhys Healey, once of Connah's Quay.

-Newport won a point

-but what about Wrexham?

-They faced their neighbours

-and fiercest enemies, Chester.

-Elliott Durrell, the former Wrexham

-player, takes the Chester free kick.

-Astles with the touch

-and it hits the bar!

-It falls for the captain, Tom Shaw.

-He blasted it over.

-Lloyd.

-Johnny Hunt is another former

-Wrexham man.

-Carrington steals it.

-McLeod passes back to Russell Penn.

-Anthony Barry has time to weigh up

-his cross towards Jordan White.

-He's up with the keeper, Lynch,

-and it falls for Rooney!

-It's a corner kick to Wrexham

-from the shot by John Rooney.

-Durrell with the corner

-towards Kane Richards.

-It's back to Durrell.

-Alibi puts Chester in front!

-No, it's offside.

-Mr Hicks was right on the spot

-and Dean Keates is thankful.

-Theo Vassell is a defender

-who loves going forward.

-He has a powerful left foot!

-Chris Dunn makes the save

-but concedes the corner.

-SECOND HALF

-Barry to Paul Rutherford.

-They combine well down the right

-as Barry gets the ball again.

-Ryan Astles, once of Rhyl,

-makes the clearance.

-Rutherford kept his eyes

-on the ball, as did Astles.

-Penn to Mark Carrington.

-Carrington to Barry.

-Just look at the time and space

-that Barry has, Rooney!

-Wrexham take the lead

-through John Rooney...

-..seven minutes

-into the second half.

-Barry was given the Freedom

-of Chester to make that cross.

-Rooney with the goal.

-This is Rutherford.

-Once again, Barry

-is in acres of space.

-Rooney calls for it.

-Rooney!

-Astles with the interception

-up to Durrell.

-Durrell goes past Penn.

-He spreads the play

-towards James Alibi.

-A lovely pass from Elliott Durrell.

-James Jennings is the defender.

-Penn is also there.

-Penn brings down Alibi

-and it's a penalty!

-Once again, Mr Hicks

-was in the right place.

-No doubt in the referee's mind

-but how much contact was there?

-Not much indeed.

-Alibi.

-Alibi against Dunn

-and Dunn is sent the wrong way.

-It's all square.

-Just look at what it means

-to James Alibi.

-Chester 1-1 Wrexham.

-Barry to Rutherford.

-How many times have we mentioned

-that partnership.

-Barry still has it and, once again,

-he has the chance to cross the ball.

-Carrington!

-A superb save by Alex Lynch

-to deny Carrington.

-Shaw out to Vassell.

-Luke George demands the ball

-and Rutherford is brought down.

-been shown a yellow card.

-It's a second yellow...

-..and Chester will play

-the final 15 minutes with ten men.

-A red card for Luke George.

-Tilt to Rutherford and the touch

-from Massanka towards Rooney.

-It comes back to Rutherford!

-That was a hair's breadth

-wide of the post.

-First impression,

-it wasn't a penalty.

-it wasn't a penalty.

-I'll look back and see it again.

-It was given.

-Am I surprised? No, not really.

-Fifty-fifty decisions

-didn't go our way.

-My biggest concern

-was that we were on the break.

-It's ended up going

-from their 18-yard box...

-..after some decent play by us.

-Then we give the penalty away.

-It's something

-that needs addressing.

-A point for Wrexham away from home.

-Dylan Llewelyn is my guest.

-Both teams are outside the league...

-..but it's still competitive

-between them.

-The highlight of their season

-are the two derby games.

-Especially at this time of year when

-all hope of promotion has gone...

-..unless you're an eternal optimist.

-They look forward to this game...

-..but they will be disappointed

-not to have closed out the match.

-It was a harsh penalty...

-..but an extra two points might

-have brought a glimmer of hope.

-After that draw, they will

-look forward to next season.

-They will be playing Chester

-twice again.

-Let's take a look at the table.

-I am an optimist and they're closer

-to the play-offs than relegation.

-That hasn't meant much this season.

-Ten points.

-Ten points.

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-Is there any hope?

-There next two games are

-Boreham Wood and Guiseley at home.

-They are games

-you would expect them to win.

-Swansea proved this weekend

-that no game is a sure thing.

-They tend to slip up against these

-smaller, part-time teams.

-They seem to lift their game

-against Wrexham at the Racecourse.

-Then they play away at Dover.

-If they could win those three games,

-I might agree with you.

-It's a tough ask.

-I'm an eternal optimist.

-We have to talk about Swansea.

-Liverpool fans won't agree

-but what a result!

-You thought they were doomed

-with Hull and Sunderland.

-Has one afternoon changed

-it all for Swansea?

-They didn't concede three,

-like they usually do.

-They conceded two

-but showed plenty of character.

-To be honest,

-Liverpool did help them.

-The first half was an extended

-training session for Paul Clement.

-They made it easy for them.

-Tactically and with enthusiasm...

-..they were definitely

-playing for the manager.

-They haven't done that all season.

-They deserved it. Three efforts

-on goal and three goals.

-Llorente was on fire

-and Sigurdsson scored the winner.

-There is hope but they have

-to beat the teams around them...

-..rather than producing

-the odd shock result.

-It was quite an afternoon

-and a great weekend for Swansea.

-There's a big weekend

-to come next weekend.

-Sgorio is live from the Oval

-in Caernarfon as they meet Rhyl...

-..in the Welsh Cup.

-Earlier this week...

-..Malcs went to meet the man who is

-inspiring the Cofis, Nathan Craig.

-Caernarfon can't wait

-for the match against Rhyl...

-..in the Welsh Cup next Saturday.

-Caernarfon has always been

-a football town.

-Football and Caernarfon FC...

-..have been close to the heart

-of one very special Cofi...

-..Nathan Craig.

-Everyone in the town know you...

-..but your footballing journey

-didn't begin in Caernarfon.

-It was at Everton.

-Yes, I signed for Everton

-when I was twelve.

-The following week they told me...

-..they were flying out to Boston,

-Massachusetts, in America.

-There was an U12s tournament

-out in America.

-They invited me along.

-The first thing I had to do

-was speak English!

-I wasn't used to that

-coming from Caernarfon!

-You played at the Everton Academy

-and did well.

-Wales then came knocking.

-I remember how it felt to wear a

-Wales shirt but how did you feel?

-There's no better feeling.

-Walking out, wearing the shirt

-and singing the National Anthem.

-From that U21 side, many of the

-players have done really well.

-Yes, indeed.

-Joe Allen, Neil Taylor, Ashley

-'Jazz' Richards, Wayne Hennessey.

-You played with those players

-in the U21 side.

-How did it feel watching them

-in France last summer?

-It was a bit odd.

-I used to room with

-Ashley 'Jazz' Richards...

-..when we travelled to countries

-like Turkey to play in tournaments.

-It was a bit odd

-and I was also a bit gutted.

-They are the players

-that I've come through with...

-..in the U17s and U21s.

-It was good to see them succeed.

-You did well and got into

-the Wales set-up...

-..and you must have hoped to

-break into the Everton side.

-It looked like you would

-but what went wrong?

-I didn't feel that confident.

-When I turned 18...

-..Everton signed Bilyaletdinov

-for 20 plus million.

-He didn't get a place

-in the first team!

-I played every week

-in the reserves...

-..and he was on the bench

-for the first team.

-There is a pecking order

-at every football club.

-It was disappointing.

-No-one likes to be released

-from a football club.

-I remember the day

-I left the training ground in shock.

-I realised that I had tried my best

-and had done everything I could.

-These days, you are Mr Caernarfon.

-You visit all the local schools.

-You get to spot

-all the young talent.

-I visit local primary schools

-and secondary ones like Syr Hugh.

-I also run after-school clubs

-in the primary schools.

-We target schools in Caernarfon

-Now to the big game against Rhyl.

-Last season, you weren't promoted

-despite winning your division.

-Is there a point to prove

-against Rhyl?

-We're the underdogs

-from a lower division.

-We'll play the game without

-pressure.

-We will enjoy the game

-and it's live on the television.

-Last time we played in front of

-the TV cameras was against TNS.

-of that opening half an hour...

-..and carry on against Rhyl with

-the crowd behind us, we can win.

-I don't know about you, but I'm

-looking forward to Saturday.

-Thanks for the cuppa and good luck.

-Thanks, Malcs.

-Thanks for the cuppa!

-Surely Malcolm paid for the drinks?

-We're all looking forward to that

-game live on Sgorio on Saturday.

-Caernarfon taking on Rhyl.

-Looking forward might not be

-the most fitting words...

-..for mentioning the football

-documentary on Tuesday on S4C.

-Dylan Llewelyn has produced it.

-It's called Hillsborough,

-Yr Hunllef Hir. (The Long Nightmare)

-Here's a clip.

-I can't see or hear

-the name Hillsborough...

-..without it taking me back to 1989.

-It sends a shiver down my spine.

-A real shiver like pins and needles.

-A physical sensation.

-The happiest day of your life,

-a semi-final.

-This shouldn't happen

-at a football match.

-The fear that loved ones

-weren't coming home...

-..was just something

-I wouldn't wish on anybody.

-It was absolutely dreadful.

-The disaster is people dying.

-The tragedy was how the families and

-survivors were treated afterwards.

-Never pick on people from Liverpool

-because they'll come back.

-They did pick on the wrong people

-because they are unbelievable.

-I feel guilty to this day.

-I froze on the spot

-and didn't help anyone.

-I must live with that.

-It's something I try to forget.

-It's hard.

-Yes, it's hard.

-Aye.

-That programme is

-on S4C on Tuesday night.

-Dylan Llewelyn produced it.

-Was it as hard to make

-as it is to watch?

-The whole process has been so hard.

-It was a real challenge.

-Pleasure isn't the word

-but there is a satisfaction.

-It was an honour to speak to and

-meet them and share experiences.

-It's also important to remind people

-that this is still on-going.

-People may assume it's

-all over after so many years...

-..but we haven't got there yet.

-Difficult but an honour.

-Closure is the big term.

-Is what happened afterwards the

-thing that drives them onwards?

-One of the campaigners, Phil

-Scraton, appears on the programme.

-He has some interesting thoughts on

-closure and disclosure.

-I think we are getting closer

-to the end of the campaign.

-Programmes like the one coming up

-show it is important...

-..to talk openly about

-feelings and pain and the grief.

-Anything that helps people

-get to that point is useful.

-I'm glad I've had

-the chance to contribute.

-There's still the tendency to

-use terms like disaster lightly.

-There were people on the radio

-using it to describe...

-..Liverpool's

-defeat to Swansea yesterday.

-Context is everything.

-Even some Liverpool fans need

-reminding what happened...

-..and that a disaster is something

-that stays with you forever.

-It is one of those JFK moments.

-I remember going to Hillsborough

-for the first time.

-You suddenly remember

-and it takes your breath away.

-Had you been back there

-before you made this programme?

-I had never been back.

-Going back there gives you a chill.

-Everyone knows the name.

-Hillsborough is indelibly connected

-with that disaster.

-I heard someone memorably say

-in Sheffield...

-..that it's another city's disaster.

-Some things will never be

-forgotten.

-The stadium, the Leppings Lane End,

-carries a very dark connotation.

-Thank you for joining us.

-Everyone should watch

-your programme.

-Thank you for joining us on Clwb 2.

-We're back next Sunday but there's

-lots of sport on S4C this week.

-It includes the

-Hillsborough programme on Tuesday.

-Sgorio tomorrow, Ralio and

-rugby and football on Saturday.

-Plenty for all.

-See you next week. Goodnight.