Episode 9 Late Kick Off North East and Cumbria

The fifth year running that a North East club has won the trophy. Kevin

Phillips talks fondly about his Good evening.

We have our big three all represented in the studio tonight.

Joining Middlesbrough's League Cup winner Danny Mills, former

Newcastle defender Steve Howey and ex-Sunderland striker Marco

Gabbiadini. First up, it's the Boro. And relief

all round that the season is finally over. Matthew Raisbeck

describes yesterday's action at A wretched second have meant

Middlesbrough have finished closer worse when Leroy Lita doubled

Sheffield Wednesday's lead. Christian Burgess headed over from

a corner, as Christian Burgess offered more after the break. With

no away win in 2013, Tony Mowbury's Where do they go some here? If I

was the owner or the chairman I would want to know what plans are

and place to stop this happening again. This is the second year

running. Last year they died in the second have of the season. You need

reasons, or it you need the manager to come and say, to stop this

happening again, this is what I need. Half of Teesside will hate me,

but does Steve Gibson need to have a serious chat with Tony Mowbury?

His position has to be under threat. It is two back-to-back seasons were

this has happened. There will be a big debate, there will have to be a

lot of reassurances. Danny is involved in a charity match, on

18th May. They will be playing some FA elections. Lots of former

Middlesbrough players will be involved in that one. Things are

not looking much brighter for Newcastle or Sunderland after the

last seven days. Here is how the bottom of the Premier League looks,

and it is not very attractive. Wigan, 35 games, 35 points.

Sunderland have played 35 games, Newcastle 36 played and 38.

Sunderland play tomorrow. Yes, a massive game. Playing on a Monday

night is a disadvantage. But also a test of character. We have been

looking forward to these two fixtures as a way out of this

trouble. The Derby victory and the Everton victory were probably a bit

unexpected. Looking at how the other fixtures have gone, it is a

good job we did when most two games. By Thursday morning, Wigan play

Swansea as their extra game, we will know a lot more about where

things are going to be. It is just changing, we have all been doing

predictors and it takes some working out what is going to happen.

Obviously Newcastle managed to pick up a point yesterday, but Sunder

land as well, how catastrophic is that when you get a floor wiping

out they have both had? Newcastle against Liverpool, the

disappointing thing from my point of view was have Newcastle just

give up. I think they will take heart from the point they got

against West Ham's. It is not an easy place to go. With Andy Carroll

and Kevin Nowlan being there, they will definitely want to put one

over on them. To get to a point, they will be happy with that.

has been lots of stuff raging about, we have had this suggestion of the

dressing room split. Is that just a cliche or is there real substance

to that? There is talk of language problems with the French influx.

There is always a little bit of truth in it because you get finger-

pointing, it is not my fault, it is your fault. Those foreign players

who can speak in their native language tend to stick together.

They will watch each other's backs, it is only natural. It happens, how

bad it is, only those inside Newcastle will know. Alan Pardew

has been disappointed with the speculation. Then we get a

different tone in his post-match interview, he is critical of the

media, not really as laid-back as he has been. Does that get to the

players as well? They see the manager is tetchy, does that send a

different signal to the dressing room? The players will be aware the

manager is disappointed and the amount of stick that the players

got after the Liverpool game. There will be little groups there, this

and that happening in dressing rooms. He will be quick to quash

that and also more reserved, and then again more angry with the

media because of the fact of them spreading rumours. And then Paulo,

he is milking it with those two great wins. Does it do flayed him

at all, his aura that he has built? I think the reaction in the Derby

was probably understandable and a similar reaction to Alan Pardew. At

the Everton match I think he was very controlled, he took his seat

quietly. He reacted afterwards. It was a massive victory against one

of the top teams. Everton are consistently up there. At the

moment there's a little bit of a siege mentality going on. For many

years, Mark macro 1 and No. Ten -- Marco Fu and wore the number ten

By originally drove to the new stadium to meet Peter Reid and got

turned away because the stadium was not even finished. I met him and he

drove along the seafront, I could not believe it was near the sea.

From the very early days, they scored and had an incredible season.

I just wanted to play a league games. Part I believed I could

It ended with you scoring 30-odd goals, scoring at Wembley, the

play-off final and not being able to take one of the penalties.

To break Brian Clough's record of Wembley to get my 35th goal was of

great achievement. What are a great place to do it. I dreamt of playing

there as a child. That next season, 105 points, must have been one of

those seasons you dream about? Yes. It was a big season all round,

individually and collectively. The previous season was not really

mentioned. Peter Reid made it clear we would forget about it. We kept

the bulk of the players and we have a great chance of achieving great

things here. Two seventh place finishes. Both times you were even

higher and looking like you could get into Europe. Was addictive

appointment? Yes, I would say so. At one point, we were playing at

Upton Park. If we had one, we would have been Premier League. With

hindsight, should you have may be moved earlier? It is a tricky one.

I had six fantastic years there, and Sunderland rewarded me very

handsomely. I will always be indebted to them. Some people say

they should have moved on us. At the end of the day, I loved it in

the North East and I believe we would be going places. That is why

I committed myself to the club for a long time. I remember going back

the first time to play there for Aston Villa. We beat them quite

comfortably, but the reception I got brought a lump to my throat.

Talking to supporters now, they had never clapped and a way player

scoring a goal. I remember they were clapping as I walked back to

the centre circle, even though I had scored against them. I will

always have a soft spot in my heart for Sunderland. One day I might go

back in a coaching capacity. In Well, Marco, from one famous No.

Ten to another. If you do the business there, up front, they

embrace you. Yes, he is not the first Sunderland player to get

bitten by the bulk of the supporters. I was the same one I

came to the north. They were in the Third Division when I joined.

you know it was by the sea? I did not. It is not known for its beach,

but it is really beautiful. There was a lot of stuff I did not know.

I was attractive there because my previous manager was at the club

and it was a step up for me. But once you have played for them, and

the supporters, those away games are really memorable. What was the

story about Kevin Keegan bringing Rob Lee appear? I think when he was

at Charlton there was a chance of him going to Middlesbrough and

Kevin got on the phone and said, come to Newcastle, it is closer to

London than Middlesbrough is. could of course just go and get a

map out. Kevin Phillips is 40 in July, he is a striker. We're used

to a left back surviving him that long. Teddy Sheringham played until

41. He adapted his game, and looked after himself. Kevin has really

taken care of himself. Does your goal record help, you can get away

with sticking around because they know you will put the ball in the

net? He is not running the channels any more, he is in and around the

box. Also the younger players can learn a lot from him. And he talks

about potentially returning to Sunderland as a coach. Just because

you played for the club and you love the club does not mean you're

going to be a great manager. Congratulations to Spennymoor town.

Tunbridge Wells hoping to bring the FA have as back to the North East

for a fifth successive year. They got off to the perfect start. The

Northern League side dominated without finding a careless second

strike of a decisive blow. Andrew Stephenson could not find a way

afternoon for Spennymoor who add their name to the FA have as

I thought we were the better team by far, but when the chances were

going you start to think, it is not going to be a day. We thoroughly

deserved to win, but we never make things easy. I was dreaming about

that moment last night, when I saw it, there was nothing stopping that

ball going in the net. It was literally the best feeling in the

world. It is one of those things where you think it is never going

to happen. You think, is it going It is becoming a real North East

love affair. The fifth here in a row. Staggering. It is fantastic

Apology for the loss of subtitles for 112 seconds

for the area. It shows you what the It will be very interesting to see

what Greg himself actually doors in the summer. I know he is out of

We have been talking to Ron Guthrie. The left back who holds a special

Back in 1970 it, the flamboyant coach helped to lead them through

There was a cracking crowd there for that game. 3,700. The ground

was not that big. Chesterfield were managed by Arthur Cox. Yes. I

remember playing their game and he kept shouting at me, give me a

Spartans were disappointed to draw Enfield, another non-League outfit.

But they won through in the snow and took their place in the last 32.

They were the best non-League team A bad winter meant postponement

school law. -- postponement galore. When the game was finally played,

headlines were made. About 60 buses stopped on the M6 just outside

Stoke because the police would not In north-east football, they were

really trying to win., by the time you played Wrexham, Jackie marks

was using the speed oil tactics. I understand that was something to do

with you? In Newcastle and Sunderland, there is always a

bottle of whisky on the table. Some teetotallers would take a small Nat

out of the bottle before they went on the pitch. Everyone had a little

drink before they went out., these today are the potential giant-

killers., it comes to Johnson and he touches it in! Johnson turns to

the delight -- turns to be delighted applied supporters.,

after 88 minutes, you must have thought you were there. That is one

of my best memories and one of my worst memories. We got a corner

kick that was in the corner kick. They go take a corner and we didn't

realise it at the time. The corner flag wouldn't stay because the

ground was frozen and they ticketed. They said, you'll have to take it

again. And then they scored from a corner kick. The word heartbreaking

comes to mind. I will say again, it is one of my best and worst

memories., life had been cruelly denied a place. But they were still

in the competition. With cup fever sweeping the north-east and are

still waiting for the winners of the last eight, it was decided that

the fifth round replay could not be staged at the park, so they hosted

Wrexham at St James' Park in front of the biggest crowd of their

history. 42,157. Sadly, two first- half goals for the Welsh team

proved too much. Despite Terry Johnson's fourth try of the

competition later on. The cup was everything to people in those days.

It became folklore. Well, Marco, you were in their ten

years later. Get that actually happen? Was there whisky in the

changing room? I think that most clubs in that he that dead, we

called it team spirit at York City. It was an old Lucozade bottle. Most

of the lads did not have that but the apprentices would finish it off.

Have you come across this as well, it's the? I have. When I was an

apprentice. The lad would come back with the cat and there would be a

bottle of whisky. You, of course, totally puritanical full support.

It was 40 years to the day since Sunderland won the FA Cup. Do these

things again more and more momentum the longer that the years go past?

They take on an even bigger credence at hand over clubs, do you

think? I think as far as Newcastle fans are concerned, as it was that

long ago if it comes that is great and we have had a few opportunities

to get silverware. In the 1970s we had an opportunity to win the

league and we didn't. And also, two cup finals. In both cases we lost

out. I think Bob said it, he wished that Newcastle would win something

because he is sick of getting reminded. At the moment, Newcastle

can pick up any silverware. It is going on longer. At the same time,

it would be nice to get that kind of money in the back in the future.

Was the 73 thing died when you're at Sunderland? It was one of those

things that when you look back, it was only 15 or 16 years a since

they won the Cup. It is not something that they shut down your

throat when you went to the club. You begun to eat legend that had

won the Cup. It does go in scale, I think. It was great to celebrate

that. It was also special because so many of the lads were from

Sunderland and still all left in the area. It was special. Is it

time for the North East to surrender this hotbed of football

pack? The non-League clubs are doing very well. The youth systems

will always produce players. I'm talking tough upend, winning player

has and winning the Cup. Endorsed terms, yes, but we will always need

players and they will always be fantastic fans. Thank you, guys. It

is indeed a 40 years ago to the day since the League Cup was

sensationally won at Wembley. Goodnight. The mood among the lads

seemed very relaxed. Is that a fair indication? Very relaxed indeed.

When you come edged to see the fans, the atmosphere is fantastic.