Episode 7 Late Kick Off North West

Preston North End have taken six points from 18 under their new

manager. But tonight, Graham Westley tells us that this is short

term pain for long term gain. How Graham Westley is laying down

the law to the players at Preston. You are used to picking the kids up

at school at quarter past three and we have got a new manager in charge

and it is not easy to cope with. What life is like on the road for

football's out of form team. That is the clincher. You are from

Rochdale. Rochdale's turn to go One on One. Stay tuned about that. With

me in the studio tonight, the manager of Oldham Athletic Paul

Dickov and a former boss of Rochdale, it's Steve Eyre. Welcome

guys, thanks for being here. More from them in just a second. There's

no doubt that eyebrows were raised when Preston plumped for Graham

Westley to replace Phil Brown as boss. Little known north of his

previous club Stevenage, what North End fans did know centred around a

non-league past and unorthodox managerial methods. Before

Saturday's game with Walsall, I sat down with Graham for a no holds

barred chat. I started by asking him how hard it was to integrate

the nine new signings he brought to Deepdale in January. Very difficult.

They have got to learn from each other and from the people that are

here. They have got the confusion that comes from a new manager,

totally different to what they had before. I have disrupted the

working environment. They were doing what they were doing. The

world has been turned upside down. They came in among a load of people

that had been disturbed. They are trying to put all that together and

that is not easy when you have then got a long list of injuries and

suspensions and too many players at the club anyway. It has not been an

easy task but I did not expect it. I thought it would be tough. When

ever I have gone into any job, the first few weeks have not produced

results on the pitch. People are learning the ropes but I start

short term what long-term in mind and I do not make decisions

immediately but decisions that are right for the long-term. We want

the short-term pain for the long- term game. You say you have turned

things upside down, but have you? In terms of the playing side of

things, they are used to a 12 o'clock day and all of a sudden

they are getting away from training in the afternoon. The amount of

hours that are being demanded is higher and that is not easy for

them to deal with. Does that create tension? Of course. If you like

used to picking up the kids from school at quarter past three and a

new manager is asking different things, that is not easy to cope

with but I am not doing it for the wrong reasons. Preston is a proud

Football Club and it wants results on the pitch and it has not got

that in recent times and I have been brought their with new ways

and that involves long days and working for what you get. You do

not get out what you did not put in and in this situation in League 1,

you have got to earn the right to be better than the other clubs.

is a dramatic change to the schedule. Is this the short-term

pain that he talked about? This is a walk in progress. Some people

will not like it. Some people will part. There is no question about

that. But the anything that is important is respecting each other.

Some people will not join up, will not sign up. I do not have an issue

with that and understand where they are coming from. But be respectful

in the meantime and I will be respectful to you and we can part

company on a proper basis. It has been a tricky start, hasn't it? How

do you cope with that? Is that the short term problem? Looked at my

start at Stevenage. It was worse than my start here. When you get

into a job, if you are a long-term person, focused on delivering long-

term results, you have got to do what you did to get in a position

to win consistently. You can tolerate things in the short term

and win games but if you understand that or not taking to the place we

want to be, why bother? I want the bigger picture and the bigger job

and that is how I work. Some people get short term results and hold a

few hands and then I would get better results but that is a waste

of time because I want the big picture and winning promotion and

getting into the Premier League Eden. It's some players are not

going to come with you, what about that? That is an interesting

question to be asked. I would probably be by major somebody that

does not worry about popularity. But is that 100 % true? If I

believe something will take me towards winning and my job is

winning matches, I will do it. If you start worrying about what

people are going to like, you can start doing the wrong things. You

have got to focus on the things that create success. But you do

need to take people with you and that is a form of popularity, maybe.

Without getting confused, do the right stuffing and try to educate

people and bring them with you. -- the right thing. If you are coming

to a club with evolution all revolution and some people are not

buying into that, you will say, treat it like an adult. But what

about coping on an emotional basis it players do not want to be there?

Do you have to blank it out? think he deal with them as people.

You can never mind and you can be minded in a certain way and still

deal with it and talk to people and understand people and give them the

time. I have given a lot of time to people that might not be a part of

the teacher, I am sure. But I am not going to bend. -- future. I am

quite happy talking to them and explaining and giving them a chance

to buy him and changed the way they are thinking. But that does not

mean I have to stop them myself and allow emotions to get the better of

situations. That is the right way Graham and I chatted for much

longer and you can hear all of my interview on BBC Radio Lancashire

tomorrow night. Tune in from six o'clock. Well with details of

Preston's match with Walsall and the rest of the League One action

from the weekend, here's BBC Radio Graham Westley's opinion of this

one balls that neither team did well enough to win. Preston North

end came closest with Chris Holroyd end came closest with Chris Holroyd

going close with this header. Graham Cummins shade innovation to

get a shot away to goal. After the break, Jamie Proctor had an effort

deflected from the goal. Thoughts go out to Adam Barton. He was due

to have surgery on a dislocated ankle but he looks like he has

ended his season. Tranmere have got one win in 16 games and Oldham were

hammered 5-0 in their last match and both teams have got a lot to

prove at Boundary Park. The first opportunity came to raiders. A

header from a corner. The goal of the game came after the break.

Since then found again. Converting emphatically. Oldham were creating

the better chances. Particularly this one from this player, he could

not believe he failed to score. It almost went all the way through but

bounced back before the visitors went close as well. Andy Robinson

shooting across goal and failing to deal with the ball. Oldham bouncing

back. Les Parry under increasing pressure to get results. Bury boss

Ritchie Barker said he was happy with a point and he is now at home

to Leyton Orient. They took the lead early after a sweet strike.

But the former Tranmere players got them back into the game four

minutes after coming on for his debut. This striker made certain

the points were shed. Rochdale are improving under John Coleman and

that continues. This header was the best in a game of few chances and

just one defeat in five since the Well I'd love to say let's take a

look at the top of League One, but there's no point because we have no

teams in it! The bottom half, teams in it! The bottom half,

though, shows Bury needing what would be a first win in 7 against

Hartlepool tomorrow and Tranmere's trip to Chesterfield next Saturday

How difficult was that to watch? is not difficult to watch but it is

difficult watching fantastic players at a great club but it is

not difficult to watch and I am happy to see them progress. The

players are very close to my heart. I wish them well and I would like

to be on the touchline with them and I am confident. What went wrong

for you at Rochdale? We were short of a little bit of time. I was

grateful for the support. I spent two decades at Manchester City and

it was brave of them to make such a choice and brave of me to make a

decision to depart. You did twenty- one years. You had some really

great players. Do you regret that? Was that a gamble to move into

management? It was not initially on my mind but when I was invited to

speak to Rochdale, with Manchester City's permission I went to

discussions and I was grateful to be offered the job and except it.

In terms of the time I have been given, I am grateful for the

assistance and the start. I was grateful for the opportunity and I

would like to think I could have done a bit more than what happened.

But I wish John all the best with the privilege he has. What good

they have done better at? Just a bit more time but they are very

good people there. Genuine people. What is life like outside the game

tried to get back in? It is a bit difficult. I cannot complain about

that. But 92 people did that job and it is a privilege and he does

it very well. I enjoyed it and would not shy away in the future.

You have got a bit of time to do different things and I will try to

become a better manager. A better person. I will be watching lots of

football and I hope when something I think he was unlucky, with a lot

of the results they had, they played some wonderful football. A

lot of the players cape in, I know they had respect for him as well,

and you know, I hope she back in the game soon, people need good

coaches and managers and that is something Steve is. Are you tempted

to get the phone up and ring Man City saying I brought great players

through, can I come back. Nice of do you say so. Certainly by no

means was it single-handedly, it was under great leadership in the

youth system and the reserve system and we were developing player fons

the first team. It is a different challenge for the people in

position there, and say it wonderful club, it is close to my

heart. We both love the club. Paul is a legend there, and you know, we

spent a lot of our spare time there now, everybody knows of my

situation. It is not a case of picking the phone up. We wish you

well. More from the boys in a second. Now it is weeks since

Burnley and Blackpool played Saturday championship games. That

is what they did at the weekend, with differing fortunes. Here is

with differing fortunes. Here is Andy Johnson. After that 4-1

reverse to West Ham, this was a perfect afternoon for Blackpool.

First straight away win to lift them back into the play off places,

they were behind to a first half goal from John stead but the tide

turned their way after the break. They equalised ten minutes into the

second half, following a foul on Thomas Ince. He took the free-kick

and saw it deflected past David James. It was the impetus they

needed. But it wasn't until six minutes from time they made it

count. Ormerod had come off the bench fors into score. Philips put

the lid on the victory three minutes from time. His 139 of the

season. If Burnley could sort out their home form their play off

place would be in a better shape. They went two down to Millwall at

Turf Moor. David Edgar missed a routine clearance. If that was

ridiculous, the Lion's second was sublime. Pick your own superlative

for this volley. Burnley were 3 down for a consolation. Rodriguez

scored from the spot. It is three defeats from four games for Burnley

defeats from four games for Burnley who are six points shy of the play-

offs. Tough for then but Blackpool are in good shape off the field.

Theyance noun -- announced profits of more than �20 million. They are

looking nicely placed in the table too, Burnley really do need to find

some consistency to get their play off push again. Now, what did you

do on New Year's Eve? You can't remember? It has ban while for

Macclesfield town they celebrated with three points against Port Vale.

But since then not a single point for the Silkmen. Would Saturday's

Oxford. Sound like a nice day out then. Not so for Macclesfield town,

and their fans. Eight losss in a row, not a single point so far this

year, and to top things off, ten first team players out injured, and

one suspended. Just how does the manager cope with that? You I know,

we sort of like lost a load of we sort of like lost a load of

midfield players. We managed to scover come that, we lost a striker.

Starting to get our strikers back, we had two defenders fit. In all

the time I have been in plaul, whether it be as a play e in

management, in coaching, whatever, you know, Glynn, they say, we have

never known anything like this. Meet Richard, Macclesfield's third

goalkeeper of the week. He was brought in on emergency loan from

Sheffield Wednesday to replace the injured Steve Collis. Steven Turner

had been brought in on Thursday to replace vague ga injured in the

game on Tuesday, you count script their bad luck at the moment. Bad

luck but Gary Simpson still has to put out a team and finding

replacements has been tough for the club. We have scoured the country

trying to get people in, some managers have helped us, some have

said yes The players have said no. Some managers have said no, can't

let you have them. We have absolutely been up and down the

country trying to get people in. Obviously, we are not massive club,

you know, we can't pay massive money, but wroe know, needs must

and we have tried everything. Macclesfield fans were thin on the

ground on Saturday. Only 63 dedicated souls travelled to the

game, and they were beginning to voice their frustration. I know we

have the injury, but I am sick of the excuses to be honest. I want to

see a bit of passion from the players, I want to see people as

keen to see them stay in the league as I am. He is like this every year

we are in the relegation battle. It is a bit different this year, we

dropped very very quickly, more Before the game Gary Simpson said

things need to turn now for Macclesfield Town and perhaps this

own goal from Oxford's Michael Duberry was a sign their luck was

about to change. The Silkmen's hunger was in full show. New and

old players alike throwing themselves in front of every ball

as Oxford increased their pressure in attack. Mac could only hold on

for so long. Olly Johnson found the bottom corner for Oxford, levelling

things before the break. Are you happy with a point at half-time?

After about nine defeats in a row I would take a point. What is

wonderful is the team spirit that is showing through today. They are

at Northampton on Tuesday and we saw us lose a 1-0 lead them.

nervous second half for Macclesfield fan, would today bring

a first point of 2012? More silk bodies blocking every threatening

ball and few chances for them in attack butlet plate -- ultimately

neither team could find the winner. A point at last then for

Macclesfield Town. Their luck perhaps now turning. Oxford were a

stronger team, and bet e but I thought they held in very well.

Very happy. First points of the year. I am happy with that. I

thought it was going to be 4-1. Do with a few more now. We need to get

to that famous 50 points and we should be fine. Great spirit, and

we are going to need it, because you know, it is going to be a long

15, whatever it is games left. It is going to be a long haul and we

can buy a bit of time, then great, because we will need them. Well

done to the 63 fans who travelled first of all. Paul, can they build

on that? They have had a terrible run, but that point away, is it

something you can build on? I think you have to, Oxford are one of the

favourites to go up, probably rightly so. Gary is talking about

trying to get players in and the players at Oxford have Michael

Duberry, Olly Johnson who they signed from Norwich, they are big

players for League Two. Gary has put a team together there, who have

worked hard and got a point and the confidence they will take from that

is massive. They were throwing themselves in front of the ball.

How do you motivate a team that has gone seven or eight games without a

win? I It is difficult. You have to stick together, it was great to see

the supporters there and a lot of them were young teenager, their

enthusiasm will be key, supporters, stick behind the team and the

manager. The manager has to connect with the players and put on good

training, and think, really, the manager is the one who gets the

first mention of how it is going to go right or wrong. Gary and Glynn

will have to do their bit. The players need to do more for the

manager. This issue with injuries and suspensions, how do you as a

manager feel? You wanted to tell everyone, look I have ten players

but the fans are sick of hearing it. Having ten first team players out

is not an excuse. Gary is not blaming the referee or the piches

or anything else. It is fact and to have a small squad at a khrun like

Macclesfield, to have ten first teamers out there is not a lot you

can do. The players that are there, believe in them, work nem hard.

With the rest of Saturday's League Two actions, including six goals at

Two actions, including six goals at Crewe, is Howard Booth. It was a

cracking game for the neutrals at Crewe. They went behind to a well

worked Wimbledon goal but took charge and should have been out of

sight. Byron Moore's screamer eluded the keeper. Greg Pearson

scored especially over the shoulder, to give his side a healthy 3-1

half-time lead. It should have been four from the spot after the break,

Powell was fouled in the box. Westwood's kick was saved and that

would prove costly w Wimbledon scoring twice in the last nine

minutes to salvage a point. Paul Cook hasn't had the best of starts

with Stanly, three games and three defeats, but they put up an

excellent fight against Swindon. Benson put the home side ahead.

Stanley could so easily have been level soon after. Almond came

closer, hitting the host. It wasn't their day and Benson scored again

after a clearance by win ward. What a week for mor come. A draw at

Crawley followed up by this victory over another promotion chaser. The

shrimps nearly scored a second after the break. Gary Hunter going

down an amazing run into the Southend penalty area. Even when up

ended he got a pass away to Ellison and unfortunately for the striker

and unfortunately for the striker Ellison shot wide. North-west sides

have plenty to play for. A look at the top half of League Two sees how

important those two dropped points were for Crewe. Macclesfield

Plymouth tomorrow night is a crucial game as you will imagine

for both teams. That game at the Moss Rose isn't the only one worth

going out to. Crewe make the short trip to Port Vale needing a win and

there is a big game in the Championship on Friday. Blackpool

make the trip to Hull. Full coverage of those games and of your

teams all week as you expect on your BBC local radio station. Now,

The Beatles. The most successful well-known pop band in history, a

billion records sold. Everyone knows The Beatles don't they?

Welcome to Rochdale's One on One with the aubergine buzzer Joe

Thompson with the blue Nicky Adams, and with the questions off the Late

Kick Off bench is Dianne Oxberry. Who is the manager of Notts County?

Keith curl. I buzzed first. Who is the leader of the Conservative

party? David Cameron. He's the Prime Minister. That says it all.

Name the missing Beatle. Ringo. George. John and... Neil. Paul.

Paul. I'm giving it him. I I said Paul. Paul. I'm going to get abuse

for this. What was the name of the golden robot in Star Wars? C-3PO.

Yes. Which is manager John Coleman's favourite soap? Brookside.

Desperate Scousewives. Coronation Street. Home and away. What is the

Rochdale club mascot called? Desmond. Desmond the what? Dragon.

What language do they speak in North America. English. I would

have said American. Who did Rochdale play in the 1962 League

Cup Final? I will give you it all day. You know it? I do no know it.

Press your buzzer. Bolton. Norwich. What is the name of the rugby team

that also plays at spotland. Rochdale Hornets. Who is the Queen

married to? Prince Philip. Yeah. Bit difficult to take him seriously

after The Beatles answer. Brilliant on Rochdale. In the dress --

dressing room do you buy into this banter, is humour a better way of

doing things than fining players? bit of both. Like the boys to enjoy

it. I have to hold back, because I hear the banter and I want to get

involved myself, but being the manager now I can't do that. I

think it is important the changing room is right. I like the boys to

enjoy training but I like to enjoy them having time together after.

They are not a group that finish training and want to shoot off home

they stay behind, have a chat and a laugh. How much did they enjoy this

week. You were critical of your player last week. You said things

about yourself, how have they responded, you got the win against

Tranmere. Did you play into them in training? A little bit. Yeah, a

little bit. The one thing they do I felt they let everybody down

against MK Dons was, they know what I'm like, if they go out and have a

right good go, for the fan, for, the doeching staff and for the club,

then I find it very hard to be critical of them. I know they will

make mistakes, if they do it doing the right thing I will back them

all the way. Two of three of them let their heads go down easily. If

you have fans travelling they owe it to the club and themselves to

have a right goo go. You were critical in that interview about

agents, saying they were making demands that the players weren't

living to up almost. How much of a nuisance are they on a daily basis?

There is good once and bad ones. You know, I think the problem you

have as a manager you try to build something and you trying to get a

good team together. On the outside the agents are the ones that tell

the players they are getting the moves left right and centre. I

would never stand in a player's way if they want to better themselves,

but some time, it is a distraction when you know the agent is trying

to get them a move. I don't mind if they are up front and honest about

it but it is when they try and do things behind your back. It annoys

you. You look to have turned it round Good luck midweek. That is it

for tonight. Thanks for watching. Tell your early to bed mates they

can watch us again on the iPlayer. Thanks to Paul and Steve and George