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Welcome back to the

Premier League Show.

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After our winter break, we'll be

with you every Thursday night

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from now until the end

of the season.

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And we resume here at Old Trafford,

where on Saturday lunchtime

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Manchester United take on Liverpool

as the two most successful clubs

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in English football go head-to-head.

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35 miles separate the two

cities and it's a rivalry

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with a deep, deep history.

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There's that and more

on tonight's show.

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Actor Christopher Eccleston takes

a look at why these north-west

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near neighbours just

don't get along.

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We hear from a Manchester

boy in the south -

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Arsenal's Danny Welbeck.

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Justin Moorhouse revisits his

pre-season predictions.

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Comedian Rhys James casts his eye

over the weekend's social media.

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And we'll have all of the action

from the last seven days.

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So why is there such

an emnity between these two

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northern powerhouses?

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We asked one of Our Friends

in the North to dig a bit deeper.

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Some people don't like each other.

Nothing personal.

They just don't.

I

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was brought up to hate them. It is

really nice that people can unite

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with hatred.

Hate is a strong word

but true! Take Manchester United and

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Liverpool. The rivalry goes back so

long and so deep rooted with the

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cities even before you mention

football.

I was born a Liverpool fan

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through and through. The other side

of my family were blue but it was

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Man United, he did not even

acknowledge them.

It is ingrained

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and you are told as a kid, you're

not supposed to like this club! You

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don't know why but this is part of

the history and it is one of the

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biggest rivalries in world football.

Two clubs from two cities

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practically next door.

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practically next door.

Not much

neighbourliness knocking about. With

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domestic football there is no other

feeling as a United fan than to Tate

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Liverpool and vice versa, they have

Everton and we have Man City but

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those clashes create something that

is unique in terms of rivalry with

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any other club.

Everton Liverpool is

a big game but not in comparison.

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Danny Murphy for Liverpool! I have

travelled all over the world with

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football and I have been in Kenya,

on a boat in the Maldives. And I

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have had the most unusual characters

talk to me about Manchester United

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and remember the goals and where

they were. One of my best goals was

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the winner at Goodison Park, into

the corner as no one has ever asked

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me about that!

Anywhere! It began

with a canal, Liverpool had the

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board and Manchester had the

industry.

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industry. They took the ball home

and built the Manchester Ship Canal.

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Liverpool were mercantile, they had

the port and Manchester City was

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cotton.

Manchester believed they

were getting turned over by

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Liverpool, they felt the Liverpool

merchants were charging too much for

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transportation of the goods they

generated.

You had the Liverpool

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gentleman and the Manchester minor

and when they built the ship Canal

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it got easier and there was a

stronger civic rivalry that

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developed.

Football few world the

fight, first Shankly building the

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red machine to the soundtrack of

mercy bid.

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mercy bid.

We thought we were able

to cope with any test.

Being a

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Liverpool fan growing up I quickly

realised the enormity of it by going

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to the games and feeling the

intensity and passion of the

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supporters.

As a player it means

more because of the history

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involved. In your journey. As a

supporter to a player which not many

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get to do.

A lot of the match going

man United fans would have grown up

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with those Liverpool teams in the

70s and 80s, annihilating everyone

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in their wake and winning every

trophy, winning four European cups

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in the space of seven years.

Then

Fergie threatened to knock Liverpool

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off that Perch. And he did.

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That is a moment Old Trafford has

been waiting for.

Liverpool in the

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70s and 80s were the most dominant

in England and then in the 90s, Man

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United started dominating English

football.

For the fans growing up,

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Liverpool with the most successful

team in England and I am in my 30s

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and they cannot say that, we took it

from them.

It was pretty calm during

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the week with Sir Alex but when it

was a quarter to three before going

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out, he was on the money, you could

tell that this was a game he wanted

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to win. United were mad for it. We

always thought we were the dominant

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team, Liverpool used to be. Man

United, that rivalry was settled.

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Manchester United take back Old

Trafford.

Be honest, they were

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better than ours and we were trying

to achieve what they were achieving,

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we wanted to beat them to get to

them. They were setting yardstick,

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United, fantastic. Winning

everything and we wanted to compete

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with them.

Both teams have been

quite successful and that was always

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the case of trying to get one over

on each other so in that respect it

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is almost a way of showing respect.

That sort of hatred.

Definitely a

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rivalry that I enjoyed playing in.

Paul Ince's first match as captain

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takes place on the ground with a

championship hopes finally

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disappeared last season.

I never

would have gone from Man United to

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Liverpool. I went from Man United to

Inter Milan and then Liverpool. That

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doesn't matter? It does. The last

player to do that was in the 60s and

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the Liverpool fans were fantastic,

they accepted me.

They took me in

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and supported me. Paul Ince!

Yes!

Scoring against his old club! When I

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scored against Man United in front

of the crowd, all of those emotions

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came out of me and with the Freddie

situation, big-time Charlie, having

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to face him. I went mad!

Kicking the

ball and all that stuff. Never mind

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Bluenosers and noisy neighbours.

This is the game.

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Depending on the result, the red

side of the City of course will get

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the win and everyone is buzzing, if

we lose, as Liverpool fans we are

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realistic. People take the Mickey

out of us, banging on about history

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but we are proud of that.

Despite

the cockiness and bravado each set

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of fans gives out, when you speak to

individuals, they are wrecking it.

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Individually, so pessimistic before

a game with the rivals because there

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is that, we cannot bear to lose.

These are the real giants of English

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football. These games are about the

players, the manager can talk about

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tactics and everything, but it is

about the players and performing on

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that day.

Sometimes on Liverpool

United game, it lets you down as

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anaesthetic because it means so much

and the result is more important

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than the performance.

You cannot

freeze.

You have to look tough. My

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first experience playing there, my

memory was being sick the whole time

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and money moron, knocking on the

door, are you all right? Yes! I am

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five! The whole occasion and nervous

energy, it just took its toll.

There

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is something about Liverpool United

that is fundamentally real. You can

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take any game and call it Super

Sunday or tremendous Tuesday or. But

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Liverpool versus United, it doesn't

need any hype or added promotion.

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That is why it matters people around

the world.

Here we go again.

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Manchester United versus Liverpool.

The biggest game in club football.

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Bar none.

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We have now moved inside

Hotel Football, just next door

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to Old Trafford and I'm delighted

to be joined by Manchester's

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very own Liam Fray, lead

singer of the Courteeners,

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and a native of

Merseyside, Leon Osman.

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Former Everton legend. Still?

I

don't think I was ever one of them!

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These cities have got this enduring

rivalry and this incredible love

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hate relationship, is it? Where do

you think it stems from?

We have to

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be careful because we do a lot of

tickets in Liverpool! It is love

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hate. It probably stems from, with

us, we dominated the 90s, they

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dominated the 90s and I always see

them as that cousin but never leaves

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you alone on Christmas Day. It is

bragging rights in work, but it is

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worse. Tinged with fondness? I would

say so. A lot of United fans will

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lynch me for that. I don't know...

Fondness? I would say respect.

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Liverpool and Man United respect

what each other have achieved.

In

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terms of the cities, both clubs, no

fondness but there are similarities

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with the working class culture is.

Based on industrial revolution? And

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music is important.

Fashion. Many

similarities? There are and he

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mentioned a few of them. But the

drive is both cities want to be the

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best, they want to be the best team

in the City, the best team in the

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north-west and the best in the North

of England and then England. There

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is always that drive and there is

real competition between Liverpool

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and Man United.

Growing up and you

came here regularly, you were a ball

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boy. When Liverpool started to get

more success and you had success

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early in Europe, winning the

Champions League, did that and you

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as a Man United fan?

Did you enjoyed

their style? You don't have to be a

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Man United fan to be annoyed by

that!

It is weird. If you saw

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another interesting doing well,

Spurs, if Spurs got to the final,

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you might want them to do well.

Liverpool? No. The way it goes.

And

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your music has become synonymous

with the club lately. When you come

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to the matches do you set, but the

cheap seats, there are no cheap

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seats here, do you sit with the

Regular Season ticket holders?

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Everywhere, don't get me wrong,

drinking champagne! If you get the

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invite! It is still surreal when you

hear it, still goose bumps, still

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like a ten-year-old, this is

amazing!

It is weird. We will talk

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more about that later on.

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Here's what's been happening over

the last seven days.

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Headed in! Sam Allardyce, I do not

think he can quite believe the way

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his team has allowed this to happen.

It goes in! Four goals for the first

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time in the Premier League this

season for the Welsh side. What an

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afternoon!

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afternoon!

He lost out to Will

Hughes. Troy Deeney! Onside! 1-0,

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Watford! Troy Deeney for Watford.

And desolation for West Bromwich

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Albion.

Oxlade-Chamberlain can open

things up. And there is the girl! --

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the goal.

Murray is in the middle.

It is 2-0! That is an absolute gift

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from Arsenal! And Arsene Wenger

cannot believe what he is watching.

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David Silva. Bernardo Silva and that

is the goal, straightaway. Seconds

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into the second half. Double Silva

celebration for the team that will

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end up with goal at the end of the

season.

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season. Christian Benteke. The

penalty area, his right boot,

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Townsend! Andros Townsend!

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Townsend! Andros Townsend!

Into the

penalty area! 2-0 Crystal Palace!

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Good ball in, Smalling's header, it

is one goal back. Sanchez, he

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shoots, into the air, the crossbar!

Lukaku! He tries again... It goes

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in!

Back to Paul Pogba. He shoots!

My word! Winning goal in stoppage

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time from the Man U Matic. An

absolute screamer! What a way to win

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the game 3-2.

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That was some comeback at Salas

Park. I felt a bit the palace, they

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were 13th in the lead. But what a

comeback from United.

This is the

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first time I had seen that, there

was some real intent.

Some attacking

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endeavour.

Yeah, and we have been

lacking a bit this season.

I was

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going to talk about style and what

has been happening at Everton this

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season and there seems to be some

expectation of some style, some kind

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of attack when Sam Allardyce was

brought in to keep the club in the

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Premier League and now the plans are

looking for more, it would seem.

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Yes, Everton football club expecting

results but also performances. Sam

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Allardyce was brought in to keep the

club in the Premier League. He got

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the team away from trouble, it

seemed, so quickly that I think

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Moore was then expected to start

bringing that brand of football to

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make sure there was a lot for the

fans to buy into, attacking prowess,

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you know? The real determination to

go out and score goals at real tempo

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and at the moment, the team haven't

shown that and have started to drift

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back to what relegation.

He is

clearly a manager who does a certain

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job, he has done it a few times at

different clubs and every time when

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he has done the job, the club seems

to want him to metamorphose eyes

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into something else, which he isn't

going to do at this stage.

When you

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employ Sam Allardyce, you know what

you're going to get, a manager who

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keeps your team in the Premier

League but will do it anyway he

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knows how and that isn't necessarily

with a brand of free-flowing

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football that fans want to see week

in, week out.

At the other end of

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the spectrum, you kind of know what

you will get with Jose Mourinho,

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which may well be trophies but they

will be won in a certain way and

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Manchester United fans almost seem

surprised that when he arrived.

I

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guess so and you have to remember

how bad it got at the Sir Alex left.

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I think there are high expectations

at any football club, you always

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want to win, you expect to win.

But

with style?

You always say yes but

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if the style is in there, you still

want to win. Do you care how you

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stay up as long as you stay up? It

is when those expectations change

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and if they are not met...

If you

are continuing to get results and

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get wins, the style becomes less

important. It Sam Allardyce was

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continuing to win games, they

certainly wouldn't be under the

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microscope now and Jose Mourinho is

at the top of the league and has

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continued to winning games.

The flip

side is that style also buys you a

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bit of time. You look at Jurgen

Klopp and the Quaresma that he

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exudes around the club and the style

of football they play -- the

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Quaresma. The blips, he seems to

have ridden them really well. Would

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you like him here?

I don't know, we

were talking earlier about I don't

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know if you would want to finish

third in the league and the winning

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4-3, or finish second in the league

with a string of 1-0s.

You are

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saying Jurgen Klopp is under less

pressure but he is not as high up in

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the league as Manchester United and

yet Jose Mourinho is under more

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pressure for performances. Speaker

it is a bigger club, though, isn't

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it!

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That's not all that happened

in the Premier League this week.

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Here's a few things that

Rhys James spotted.

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Hello, I am Rhys James. The finger

out campaign picked up pace this

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week as Arsenal lost to

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out campaign picked up pace this

week as Arsenal lost to relegation

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threatened Brighton. At a cheque

took to Twitter and said... -- Peter

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that was parried

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that was parried the problem and it

went in on the rebound. Arsene

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Wenger had a strange idea about

trousers. If you take the trousers

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of commutator while completely, if

you find assured, you have to put it

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on again and have to get dressed

again.

If you have the trousers

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on... What is it talking about?

Substitutions? Is Iwobi trousers?

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Also, Benjamin Mendy dispels some

propaganda on the Manchester City

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Twitter in which he said the

Manchester derby was a realistic

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return. He responded with...

Essentially saying, shut up, Mum,

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you idiot, I didn't say I was well

enough to go back to school yet and

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happy Mother's Day. Elsewhere, the

Wembley curse may be long dead plus

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birds but there still seems to be

some witchcraft going on. Referee

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Mike Jones was injured in the warm

up -- may be long dead for Spurs.

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Mike Jones was injured in the warm

up -- may be long dead for Spurs.

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Any referees were asked to make

themselves known to a steward. It is

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not Sunday league, you can't just

get one of the dads to run the line

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when your bloke on 15 quid in our

doesn't turn up. If you pick a Spurs

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fan, Dele Alli

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doesn't turn up. If you pick a Spurs

fan, Dele Alli will win 100

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penalties. In other news, Maratha

proved that no matter the media, no

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matter the context, he still can't

hit a target from sick Schaars --

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Alvaro Morata proved.

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The action gets underway

this coming weekend

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with Liverpool's visit

to Old Trafford.

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There's a massive game

at the bottom as Swansea take

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on Huddersfield at three o'clock,

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on Huddersfield at three o'clock,

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while Alan Pardew reportedly

has West Brom's game

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against Leicester to save his job.

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Sunday sees both north

London clubs in action,

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including fourth-placed Spurs'

visit to Bournemouth

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And on Monday night, can

Manchester City stretch their lead

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any further as they travel

to troubled Stoke?

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So it's Arsenal against Watford

on Sunday,

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with the Gunners

in desperate need of a win

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after three successive

Premier League defeats.

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Striker Danny Welbeck,

formerly of this parish,

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has been talking

to Juliette Ferrington.

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Arsene Wenger cannot believe what he

is watching here. A very, very bad

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week for Arsenal just got worse.

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is watching here. A very, very bad

week for Arsenal just got worse.

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There is an area disappointment in

and around the camp and we know this

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is such a massive club and we should

be doing much better than we are at

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the moment, so there is a bitter

disappointment there and it kind of

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gives us the chance where we can

stand and fight and make sure that

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we can put it right in the future

games.

What is that self belief like

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right now?

I believe that together

we are stronger as a unit and we

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know that, we are good players, so

going into the games, if we stand

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and fight and match players in every

single area of the pitch, we know

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our quality will shine through.

We

all have seen the manager is the

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target of anger and abuse, how have

you dealt with that?

You go through

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difficult moments in life and it is

how you respond to it, how you come

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out the other side and I think

obviously everybody goes through a

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rough patch and at this time, we

know, us as players, the club, the

0:22:220:22:29

staff, everybody is hurting and it

is something we want to put right.

0:22:290:22:32

We want to turn these results around

and put Arsenal football club where

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it should be.

You have worked for

Sir Alex, you have worked under

0:22:360:22:41

Arsene Wenger. What comparison do

you have between the two, two

0:22:410:22:44

managers with such great longevity

in the game?

They have both got a

0:22:440:22:49

lot of experience, obviously, and

they have both won plenty of

0:22:490:22:52

trophies between themselves in their

respective ways. Obviously, the two

0:22:520:22:58

managers are a bit different in

certain aspects of their ways, but

0:22:580:23:05

it has

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produced a success.

You can see more

of that interview on Football Focus

0:23:060:23:09

on Saturday. When Danny Welbeck went

down south, at that particular time,

0:23:090:23:14

I guess, was there a feeling that we

have lost a lot of connection here

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with the locality? Especially since

The Class of 92?

I think we felt we

0:23:200:23:26

had lost connection with football in

that period, so it was tough to see

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one of our home-grown players

leaving. We don't know whether he

0:23:290:23:34

was pushed, but I have a real soft

spot for him and I think it is

0:23:340:23:38

really important, you have got to

play your best 11 players, you can't

0:23:380:23:42

just put someone in the youth team

in for the sake of it but it keeps a

0:23:420:23:48

connection, I guess. Football is so

far removed now from the kid on the

0:23:480:23:53

street kicking a ball around that if

somebody makes it into the team, it

0:23:530:23:56

kind of keeps the dream alive, I

guess and... That you could make it,

0:23:560:24:04

and that is important to kids

growing up in the area.

It is the

0:24:040:24:08

romance of being Batkid and you were

that kid, Lyon.

I suppose I was,

0:24:080:24:16

coming through the team that I

developed at the so many years and

0:24:160:24:19

getting into the team but you have a

connection through the fans and the

0:24:190:24:22

family. My father would be getting

phone calls every week or friends to

0:24:220:24:27

limit the opinions of fans all their

opinions, or somebody give me a kick

0:24:270:24:31

in the backside in the street

telling me to put pull my socks up

0:24:310:24:37

and you are very approachable when

you are a local lad coming through,

0:24:370:24:40

and it is important I think to have

at least one of those players in

0:24:400:24:44

your first team.

In this modern

Premier League where players come

0:24:440:24:47

from all over the world and they

will go back to wherever they came

0:24:470:24:50

from eventually, but that player

stays and that is usually not macro

0:24:500:24:55

for the rest of your life!

You do,

it means so much to you personally

0:24:550:25:03

but you can also be the focal point

for things when things go right but

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more importantly when things go

wrong, the fans may direct

0:25:060:25:11

frustrations at you, their

grievances at you, because they know

0:25:110:25:14

that you feel like they do.

It makes

you stronger in the long run.

It

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does make you stronger, you

certainly get more criticism but you

0:25:200:25:24

suddenly become a better player when

you retire because they appreciate

0:25:240:25:26

how much you put into that club.

0:25:260:25:28

Way back in August -

it seems so long ago now -

0:25:280:25:31

we asked Justin Moorhouse

for his top flight predictions.

0:25:310:25:33

So have any of his forecasts made

the right impression,

0:25:330:25:36

or is it one giant sore point?

0:25:360:25:38

Justin, over to you.

0:25:380:25:46

# You can't always get what you

want...

0:25:470:25:51

Without a shadow of a doubt, United

champions. Champions...

0:25:510:25:58

Beware the idle predictions are

people who know nothing about

0:25:580:26:01

football back in August. Champions,

what was I thinking? Scoff all you

0:26:010:26:07

like at my predictions but I got the

top six exactly right, just not

0:26:070:26:12

necessarily in the right order.

Manchester United, second, is it

0:26:120:26:15

good enough this season? Let's see.

And what about Liverpool? I did say

0:26:150:26:19

if they lost Coutinho, it could be a

flop under Jurgen Klopp but they

0:26:190:26:25

have done better. Tottenham, despite

all the praise, have underperformed

0:26:250:26:30

surely by coming forth. Last season

password champions, is fit good and

0:26:300:26:37

Roman Abramovich? And Arsene Wenger

is walking around waiting like a dog

0:26:370:26:41

to live on the farm. Burnley, could

it be you Roper the Turf Moor.

0:26:410:26:45

Leicester reminded of a child star,

you expect so much and they get

0:26:450:26:49

uglier and no one is bothered.

Brighton I had pegged the

0:26:490:26:54

relegation, I put myself on the

line. Comfortable mid-table.

0:26:540:26:59

Everton, Big Sam, has he been the

ballast that settles the ship? Not

0:26:590:27:02

so far, but what will happen so that

the delayed next season?

0:27:020:27:06

Bournemouth, I've predicted

relegation. How have they survived

0:27:060:27:12

without investment? Eddie Howe, that

is how. Huddersfield town, 15th, I

0:27:120:27:18

thought they might finish ten. I

hoped they would survive, everyone

0:27:180:27:22

does, everyone loves them, even when

they beat you.

It is a famous day,

0:27:220:27:26

Huddersfield 2-1.

Southampton, what

has happened, I predicted eight,

0:27:260:27:33

they are fighting relegation. Maybe

it is because they sold their best

0:27:330:27:37

players and played rubbish. 16th I

said the Newcastle and that is where

0:27:370:27:41

they are, 29 points. They can't be

happy with that but I am, I finally

0:27:410:27:46

got one right, exactly. In the heady

days of summer I predicted the

0:27:460:27:50

bottom three would be Brighton,

Bournemouth and Swansea. But who is

0:27:500:27:53

saved? Any three from ten can go

down. But West Brom are surely West

0:27:530:27:59

down. Pardew should get his FA Cup

little touchline dance and dance his

0:27:590:28:03

way to the Championship.

0:28:030:28:05

Well, there is some way to go yet.

What are you up to next Liam?

We

0:28:050:28:11

have a few gigs celebrating ten

years since that first album, back

0:28:110:28:15

in London and then it is a few

festivals and then I think writing a

0:28:150:28:19

new album.

Hopefully you will be

inspired by what you see on Saturday

0:28:190:28:23

and as you have taken so well to

life as a pundit, give us a

0:28:230:28:26

prediction scoreline.

Back hoping

that we manage to deal with their

0:28:260:28:32

pace and I think we might sneak 1-0.

Do you disagree with that?

I do, I

0:28:320:28:39

do think Liverpool's counterattack,

Sadio Mane and Mohamed Salah...

0:28:390:28:47

Don't mention them!

I think

Liverpool will win 3-1.

I don't want

0:28:470:28:51

it to happen. You are getting on so

well until then. Enjoy the weekend

0:28:510:28:57

whatever happens and remember, we

have all your football covered on

0:28:570:29:00

the BBC. Until next time, goodbye.

0:29:000:29:07

Gabby Logan hosts the weekly magazine programme, featuring in-depth interviews with the biggest Premier League stars.