Ahead of the 228th Merseyside derby, Gabby Logan looks at what makes the fixture so special, with Mark Lawrenson, Peter Reid, Tony Bellew and David Prentice.
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Welcome to the City of Liverpool. Home to one of English football's
most alluring fixtures, the Merseyside Derby. On this week's
meeting, the 228th, between the reds of Liverpool and the blues of
Everton, will this be a special one in the football mad cauldron. To do
this, I'm joined by an esteem panel of experts, steeped in local folk
leer. Peter Reid, a team player in Everton's successful history. Mark
Lawrenson a European Cup winner with the dominant Liverpool side of the
1980s, in a spell that included five wins. David Prentice, covering
football for 25 years fresh from his win, boxer, Tony Bellew, a
cruise you are champ and a die-hard every tonian. The present
incarnation is a complex beast, history, tradition, controversy,
drama. This fixture has it all. # So ferry cross the Mersey, cos
this land's the place I love... Liverpool children, they say, are
taught to walk by taking them to football matches. Would you like to
play for Liverpool? Yes! Everton, honour no object. There are two
teams in the city, Everton and the Everton Reserves.
It's a ball for Andy King. Oh, yes, he's got it.
Andy King, congratulations. Looking for Sharpe. He's behind
Lawrence, and there he is, Sharpe, what a fantastic goal.
Oh, a lovely goal. And Rush is on the far side. Is this three? It is!
Liverpool have won the double. # They can't have it
# You can't have it # I can't have it too.
# All together now # All together now
All together now... # Oh, lucky you
# There's nothing to lose... And McAllister has a fantastic goal!
# You will, you won't # You do, you don't
# You say you will # But you know you won't... And
surely that's the goal that will win the Derby?! So it's one of the most
eagerly anticipated derbys in the football calendar. Steeped in
history, romance, with wonderful statistics attached to it, such as
the most red cards in a Premier League fixture. But is it as
relevant, as important to the fans a it ever was? It is as ever, possibly
more so as far as the fans are concerned. The atmosphere is
different to the ones that I remember. And certainly Reidie and
Lawro. You are bringing me in now?! Yes,
and I probably say it matters even more so.
No. No. Not having that! It is weird. That concept of the friendly
Derby in the '80s, it was never friendly. I'll tell you a story. You
were not playing, I think it was Gillespie and Andy. For 20 minutes,
we were running on the ground. Barnsy had joined. He was nicking
it, we coat get a kick. After 20 minutes he missed control. I think I
know what is coming. I just about caught him. Any how, I hit him.
Barnsy, England team-mate on the dirt. I have come over, the punters
are up. You big-eared so-and-so, you this, you that, you horrible. I look
in the car, I go "uncle Arthur, sit down" He was a red? He was crackers.
Honestly. But it was a different generation. But even when I was
playing for Everton, two every tonians, they wouldn't go to
Anfield. Now, they are doing well. Losing by
the odd goal. Could you imagine yourself as a
Liverpool supporter? You are asking me to change my religion! This is
coming from an Everton perspective but as a neutral, is dislike or the
word hate, too strong. I know what it is. I will be honest.
I have friends that will try to wind me up, saying that I'm not their
Derby. The fact of the matter is, Liverpool and Everton Football Club
right now in my opinion are at a very similar level for the first
time in a long time. We're trying to achieve the same thing, a top four
or top six finish. That's why the game is massive. If
Everton win it... They are only three points off.
Is it too strong to talk about this rivalry, hatred? No, it's not. There
is a respect for both. But when playing it, it does not matter which
is at the top or the bottom, you don't think going in, who is at the
top or bottom, you just want to win. And they are horrible games to play.
Lovely to watch! Tell me your greatest Derby moment, Tony? The
fivery rut is probably Andy Johnson scoring the two.
No mistake made by Johnson. And Rayner is in all sorts of trouble,
allowing Andy Johnson, giving a wonderful afternoon to be an every
tonian. That has not happened to me for well
over a decade. You are showing your age! I have a dictophone? Really?
There was a press conference. We have gone out there, and the fans
are on Goodson Road, chanting Andy Johnson. He is trying to give a
press conference. And all you can hear is Andy Johnson. David Moyes
was loving it. It was a really good display. And
the last time I have seen Everton against a real class Liverpool. That
is all I'm saying. These two will have different memories. Mine is
when we were beaten in the Merseyside cup final.
Liverpool have won the double. Back in the old Wembley, the
dressing room, we all went to get into the bath. Remember the size of
the bath. You had to stand up in the bath. We went to get in the bath and
three of our supporters were in there in there suits. Soaking wet.
Come, in boys! Not only had they got in the ground, the tunnel, the
dressing room but in the bath. My favourite was the goal of the
season, Sharpe! There is Sharp. What a fantastic goal.
We hadn't won tor 17 year. But he hit this one in, every tonians from
Anfield... It was a wonder goal. Offside but it was a wonder goal.
Let's bring it back to the present day. Everton's last victory in the
dishaway was 2010. But the Toffees have made progress this season under
Ronald Koeman. Everton announced Ronald Koeman as
their new manager on a three-year deal. I'm the new Everton manager, I
play football for winning the game. It's a first victory in the Premier
League for Everton under Ronald Koeman.
Everton are enjoying the ride under Ronald Koeman. Seven points on their
first night. And Romelu Lukaku has a hat-trick
and the points are heading back to Merseyside.
Oh! Nicely done. Everton's best return from the opening five games
in a Premier League season. Stanislav. A corker! Ronald Koeman
says he dropped Ross Barkley to the bench against Manchester City to
give him a wake-up call. Pedro made it five.
A big win for Southampton! We're in the middle of a tricky one. A couple
of disappointing results. And it's headed in! Everton can
celebrate. A quite dramatic victory. And they've scored. If you're an
Everton fan, football days don't get much better than this. Bardley
celebrates and scores. Romelu Lukaku with yet another goal! I think
Romelu Lukaku is a good place to start, actually. In many ways he is
symbolic of where Everton are at the moment. The ability to keep a player
like him shows great intent and great ambition for the club. A
player who has scored more goals than anyone since Gary Lineker in
86. It is important that Everton sorts
his future out. He is difficult to replace. A centre forward for four
or five seasons in the Premier League. He is improving all the time
and he is 23. Your statistics are spot on. 21 goals and Gary Lineker
was the last person to do that. They need cleared off. Gary Lineker!
I know that they won the league in the following season, it was said
that they relied too much on Gary Lineker. By selling him, that they
could win the league. But you can't sell a player of that quality and
expect to progress for years. But Everton would be the same now.
But you can't hold on to a player like that at his age, breaking into
the top six or four is tough. With all due respect, he is
impossible to replace. Let's be honest, a player of Romelu Lukaku's
age is scoring 20-plus league goals a season, he is not looking to join
Everton. So if he goes, which every player in the world if you are not
playing for Real IRA or Barcelona, there is a place.
Are you resigned to losing him? It is not am I, it is win -- Real
Madrid. What if you get millions for him and
then strengthen the squad? As with Liverpool, they have the weak squad
at the top six. So Everton have a lot of signings to make to have a
possibility of breaking into the top four. Think it's the only way. With
top players, people always bite. So you have to get the recruitment
right. He must have a list ready to go. That is if Romelu Lukaku goes.
I'm for him staying. Listen, no one man is bigger than the club.
I agree. There was experience at Southampton,
Ronald Koeman lost a lot of key players. He had to sell them. You
get a sense that he is a man with.pigs. And hopefully, Everton
benefit from it. A successful Ronald Koeman is a successful Everton.
Romelu Lukaku, Everton were in the same position when they sold Wayne
Rooney in 2004. Finishing fourth without him. Didn't invest the
money, they didn't have it. Spent it eventually but became a better unit.
. This they are in top position. But you are going to get the money. The
marketplace. Then it is what you do with it. You
know how much money they will get. Everton are not a club to sell
cheap. You may have the money but can you get the players into a club
that is knocking on your door. How do you get Champions League
players that aren't in the Champions League? It's a clever buy. It didn't
happen for Manchester United but I tell you what, he is a top throw
player. Can they attract. We have attracted
one there, without a doubt. That is what they must aim for. That quality
of football. Allied with trying to get the young ones looked after.
And then the excitement around the new stadium, at last. This is it.
There have been a few almost moments but the Liverpool Water's
development. There have been milestones in the
past but this is as close as they have come to getting a new stadium.
There is excitement about it. This is part of a bigger project for
Liverpool but it means saying goodbye to Goodison. How do you feel
about that as a fan? For me it's like saying goodbye to a
relative who is about to pass away. The relative may be sick and going
onto a better place, but you're going to miss them. You have to come
to terms, it's for the best, that's the best way of saying it. I will
miss Goodison Park, I've many years there, season tickets... But we're
in a different era, in a different game, in a different business. If we
get this new stadium, we go to a whole new stratosphere. What we can
achieve and do. As much as I love Goodison Park, I played when I was
15 there, an iconic stadium. The atmosphere... You can't guarantee
anything in football, but I think it will be like a breath of fresh air.
And also adds revenue streams. I Goodison you can't make any money on
the day, and the match. That would be a massive thing. In a clever way,
what Liverpool have done with their newsstand, for me, call me
old-fashioned, but I think the best football grounds are the ones among
the chimney pots. To be fair, you've done well with our old ground!
Couldn't resist it. Liverpool are unbeaten against the
rest of the top six in the Premier League this season but has struggled
against a lesser likes. Despite their derby dominance Jurgen Klopp's
Reds remain a dominant proposition. # See the rivers filled with rain
# I wish it could be blue again # Hazy petrol lights... #.
Pushes Chambers aside and scores Liverpool's fourth! What a
performance from Liverpool! A superb end to a perfect day for Liverpool!
What a beauty from Jordan Henderson! And his team have secured a big
three points here tonight. Georginio Wijnaldum! Liverpool, six. The smile
says it all. Liverpool go to the top of the
Premier League. We are good, that's what we know, but we need to be good
in all the games. Oh, it's unbelievable. We gave it away.
The margin for error decreasing by the week. Llorente! Goodness me.
Firmino. And they've got it back to 2-2. Swansea back in front. You
can't just turn up and expect because you turn up that you're
going to win. Liverpool back on terms. We are
still there, we still can play football. Mane. Two in just Rennes
minutes. -- in just two minutes. Liverpool three, Arsenal one. And
Willie Caballero is Peter mistimed. It's a success to get a point when
you play like this. I kind of don't want to but I feel
like I have to start with Jurgen Klopp when we talk about Liverpool.
I don't know any Liverpool fans who don't love the man. They can't see
anything negative about him. I don't know many football fans who don't
love Jurgen Klopp. Outside of football. Yes, and when he was
appointed, correct me if I'm wrong, even Reidy said, what a good
appointment. I do like the way his team plays, I do. The next transfer
window is, for me, the crossroads moment for Jurgen Klopp. Depending
on where they finish this year, in terms of the Champions League... I
still think they finish fourth, which if you do, you attract a
different class of players and push on. He'll have done it with the
weaker squad out of the top six. But I worry a little bit about the team.
They are all nice. There's no Pete Reed, no Graeme Souness. I know it's
difficult to get them, but you'd take them all home to meet your mum
and I don't want that. I want a little bit of this... They're all
nice boys. They are probably tonight. Do those players still
exist? The players like you, Reidy? Since Roy Keane left, I haven't seen
a player like that. Idrissa Gueye... Not someone that make a challenge on
you go... The games are officiated in such a way, is there any point in
having too many of those players? I would be happy with one. Liverpool
don't have one, to be fair. And I don't think, with all due respect,
as another Tony and, I don't think Henderson is that the ideal captain
for that club because he doesn't carry them. I watched Steven Gerrard
carry that club for over a decade, single-handedly he carried that
team. That's what I'm saying... There's nobody else. In terms of the
perception of Jurgen Klopp and the reality, you look at the stats very
interesting, incredibly similar record to Brendan Rodgers. He has.
Statistics. On the pitch, the record looks similar, but the style of
football the Brendan Rodgers team played an Jurgen Klopp played are
miles apart. He's only been there five minutes, Europa League cup
final, cup final, and doing it with that squad... It's pretty light at
the moment, not much depth to it. Do you think he's a success? Made
progress. Brendan Rodgers got second. Suarez. He was embarrassed,
was he? As close as any of the managers have come and yet he is
perceived as a failure, in the shadow of Jurgen Klopp. I don't know
if he is perceived as a failure. I'd say it's a kick on from what he
achieved. Second place, is that an achievement? Yes, Champions League
qualification but it fell apart very quickly. The perception is Jurgen
Klopp has the team playing in his philosophy, need to add to it now,
add to the squad. That's why this summer is pivotal in his career.
You ask any Liverpudlian out there and I think 99.99% of them will be
absolutely delighted with Jurgen Klopp. What goes on after the summer
may alter that fact but for the time being... He fits the show a few
weeks ago, Liverpool above every other club need a manager that's
more than just a football manager. They have to be a character, almost
could do five minutes of stand up if they had to. They have that
charisma, personality and effervescence. I think that's
probably in the mould of Bill Shankly. You hate comparing people,
because Jurgen Klopp is Jurgen Klopp, but there is a bit of Shanks.
I met him on numerous occasions, charismatic, I loved him. Do you
love Klopp? No. He's all right, like. I always remember when he drew
with West Brom ended a lap of honour in front of the Klopp. That will do
for me. He's the only Liverpool manager I've ever liked. What he did
with that Borussia Dortmund side, and I haven't seen a Liverpool team
in all my years of watching football, play with the ferocious
pace they play with now. I think they tire out this. Equalled out in
January. It will throughout the season, but when they are on it,
they are hard to beat. They are a frightening opposition. Being a
former player, you look at him and think, I could pray for him. I was
going to say that. You don't know say that about many managers.
Predictions, Tony? I will happily take the draw I'm sorry. Reidy? 1-0
to Everton. 2-0, Liverpool. Liverpool have been outstanding
against the top six was even I think it will finish as a draw. Two
drawers and two wins. What is your prediction? That's it, that's all we
have time for. Gentlemen, I think we could debate this all day but time
to wrap things up. Before we go, let's see what else lies in store in
the Premier League this weekend. # I get knocked down, but I get up
again... #. Sensational goal!
# Error-free woman, every man, join a Caravan of Love
# Stand up, stand up #. Fantastic strike! And that is
brilliant! # I'm still standing... #.
Great reactions from Troy Deeney. # Meta- goal on Monday, took her for
a drink on Tuesday... #. Olivier Giroud! What a goal.
Brilliant. Subplots galore and whilst the guys continue to chew the
fat downstairs, that's all from us in Liverpool. Midweek games means
there's no show next week, so join us in two weeks' time. We leave you
this week with this take on a crazy season so far...
I'm a prime MC, before music I had dreams of being a footballer, even
Tottenham Hotspur. Now I spit bars for a living.
Now I see all these Premier League stars trying to get on this MC thing
from Yannick Bolasie to Paul Pogba. After all these years in England...
See what you've been missing... It's time I showed a thing or two. First
things first, you have to make sure you pick the right beat. Crime is
like football, fast paced, very energetic. Let's try one. -- Grime's
like football. The next thing is your concept. Today I'm going to
spit bars about the Premier League, the managers, the goals, the
players. Let's look at this season's highlights. Benik Afobe, nicely
done. Theo Walcott! Sensational Arsenal goal.
I've written my bars, now it's time to write things down.
Harry Kane is a force, Patrick 's # Liverpool the strangest
# Everton will be gone next year, you won't remember them
# N'Golo Kante, his pedigree # Leicester City won the late last
year but sacked their manager that's a wrap, one take.
That's my tip for any of you Premier League players who want to be a
grime MC. Next time I might even show you some skills!
Ahead of the 228th meeting of Liverpool and Everton, a look at what makes the Merseyside derby so special for generations of fans. Gabby Logan is joined by Mark Lawrenson, Peter Reid, boxer Tony Bellew and journalist David Prentice.