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Joe Hart in Turin

Steve Bower travels to Turin to talk to Joe Hart, who is on loan at Torino from Manchester City. Plus, Gabby Logan is joined by David James and Lloyd Griffith.


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STUDIO: Welcome to the Premier League show, this week, delighted to

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be joined by Premier League goalkeeping legend, David Jaynes,

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and comedian and amateur netminder, Lloyd Griffin. -- David James. We

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have been speaking with Joe Hart about his adjourned in Italy. And we

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have and is collusive interview with one of the biggest stars in

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football, find out who later, but first we will look back over the

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last seven days of what has been going on in the Premier League. --

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sojourn. COMMENTATOR: That was the challenge

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from Tyrone Mings on Wayne Rooney, and the boot catches Zlatan

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Ibrahimovic's head, he knew who it was, and he thrusts his elbow into

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his head, he has to go but he has not. COMMENTATOR: Roberto Firmino!

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Such a crucial match. Alexis Sanchez watches on. It should be two and it

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is. Miserable looking Arsenal. How do you explain the decision to leave

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out your best option? COMMENTATOR: Carol, telling it in! Fernando

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Llorente! We put pressure on ourselves to really get the win, I

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think we thoroughly deserved it as well. COMMENTATOR: Riyad Mahrez, and

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still, space for the shot... Back-to-back wins, that will

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hopefully now give them the confidence to take into the last

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part of the season. COMMENTATOR: Concede possession, Harry Kane,

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Everton punished, Harry Kane against yellow Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Tyrone

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Mings have been charged with violent conduct, the two players have until

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tomorrow evening to respond. COMMENTATOR: Big danger here, Pedro

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back to Hazard, big danger! 1-0! Corner, played in, into the net by

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Diego Costa. This is good, but it is important to keep our feet on the

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ground. COMMENTATOR: Avid Silver! Just wide. The defence was well

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organised. We tried. I worked very hard for 20 years to make our fans

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happy. When we lose games I understand they are not. Has this

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taken a toll on you? Yes. It is the longest of long goodbyes

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from Arsene Wenger, this latest press conference where he has said

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that he will be guided by the fans, do you believe that? Will he really

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take notice of what the fans are saying or is it down to them? I

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don't think so, the interesting thing with Arsene Wenger, I love him

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as a manager because this guy has had so much excess in real terms, so

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much success over so many years, with Arsenal. I think what it does

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is it buys you the belief that you will get more of the same in the

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success from the owner 's point of view, as an intelligent man, and he

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is a very intelligent man, you would think at some point he will say, I

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cannot take this site any further but I know how to keep the side in

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this position, let someone else have a little bit more influence. Alex

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Ferguson, prime example at Manchester United, 20 odd years,

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different coaches, getting the same top success, winning Premier

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Leagues. Arsene Wenger could do that if he allowed somebody else to do a

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bit more on urging side of things. Interesting that he has a knowledge

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that the fans are annoyed, they have been annoyed for I think ten years!

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You see it means net, they want him they want him out, looking at the

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situation with Alex Ferguson, he left, he had been at Manchester

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United for a long time, grass is greener, if Arsene Wenger goes, same

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situation as Manchester United, you get rid of Arsene Wenger and then

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you will have a number of managers in four or five years which will not

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deliver as good as Arsene did and those fans will implode! Football

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fans are never truly happy. That is the permanent state. That they are

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entitled to be in(!) after being the undisputed number one at Manchester

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City for six seasons including two Premier League titles, the arrival

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of Pep Guardiola brought an abrupt end to the time of Joe Hart at the

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Etihad Stadium, he has moved its arena on a season-long loan, on a

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deadline day deal, he has a fresh start, and we have been to visit

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him. -- he has moved to Torino. Good to see you. This is a little

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bit weird, meeting you at Torino railway station. Fairly normal for

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me, this has been my life for a good number of months. Show me around

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Turin. Of course. It was an amazing surprise, when I signed, to see such

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a positive I've come my way. The fans have been fantastic, the

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people, the city, both sides. There is a divide, Torino and Juventus. I

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need to keep moving, Juventus play Napoli tonight. That's right! Make

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sure they are the right fans! Is it like Manchester City and Manchester

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United? I would say so, we are not fighting on the same scale, but...

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There is certainly a strong love for both. Derby day... They have been

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great to me. Are you good? Thank you. No hard braking, Luca! LAUGHTER

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He will get you there in time, put it that way. What has been the main

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differences on the pitch between England and Italy? The crowds are

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different, you rarely sell out the stadium over here, but, they are

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always a lot of fun, you can range from a League 2 Stadium right the

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way through to a Champions League Stadium in two weeks of away games.

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The fans that turn up are absolutely brilliant, the atmosphere, the

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flags, the tradition of all of the teams, especially our fans, behind

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the one goal at home, that is a really special atmosphere. What has

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it been like mixing in? Did you feel like the new boy at school in a

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different country? Were you embraced and welcome? I was the new boy at

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school but I am not special different to anybody else, I am

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lucky that I have seen a lot of foreign people in England be the new

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boy, someone will throw some banter in your direction, people want to

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see how you react, when they see are open to being a part of the group,

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then you settle in quickly. What did you think when you first

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came? Did you think, wow, or did you think, OK, this has got to be it. I

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came here thinking, I couldn't care less if this was a hellhole, I'm

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here to play football. And that is what I am going to do.

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COMMENTATOR: No bigger name in management, Pep Guardiola, starts

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with a massive call, dropping Joe Hart to the bench, it is for me to

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make the decisions, said but Guardiola, and I took it. How

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difficult was it, to discover that the manager at Manchester City did

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not want to make you number one and you would have to come somewhere

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like this? -- said Pep Guardiola. Well, I don't know, I want to say it

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was really bad but it was not, I kind of solid coming. From the

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moment he walked through the door? No, I just... You just pick up

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vibes, don't you, it certainly was not a surprise to me. It was

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something I wanted to change, and I felt I was more than capable of

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changing. But to get results, he needed to have a team that he felt

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comfortable and he wanted, and I did not fall into that. No problem. I

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would love to have stayed and fought and shown what I can do but I do not

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have that time. You don't have that time, especially as a goalkeeper,

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you cannot come off the bench for ten minutes and prove your worth,

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you are in or you are out. I will fight my corner all day, but if you

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don't want to win, no point fighting, especially someone as

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powerful as that at Manchester City, like I say. Nothing personal on me,

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I do know that, he is not that kind of guy. Do you respect his honesty?

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I do, of course, he did what he thought was right to do, he didn't

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do it to ruin my life changed my life, he did it because he thought

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that was what was right for him to win as a manager. And so, I had to

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look elsewhere and here I am. How is the Italian? A few lessons? I

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am trying, I'm not brilliant, but it is not through lack of trying. It is

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really difficult for me, I have been out of school since I was 16, 14

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years, and learning does not come second nature, but I make sure I

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learned how to communicate with my team. Nothing worse than me playing

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in England and people did not make the effort to come and say, hello,

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how are you. I have asked as many questions as I could, it has gone in

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this era, gone out the other, sometimes it has come back in(!),

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but it is not through lack of trying. -- it has gone in this ear

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and out the other. Do they defend first and foremost? Have you been a

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busy boy? That is not the mentality of this code, he wants us to score

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many goals. It is not all about defence at this site. -- coach.

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Maybe I came here and thought it would be very tactical but, one

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goal, and the game plan goes out of the window and it turns into

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organised chaos! It is fun! We say you have been busy, in terms of your

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specific position, have you found the demands different in Italy? I

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would say that it is not the demands of Italy, it is the demand of a

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different manager, and this manager has demanded different things of me.

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What he wants more, what he wants less, what is important, what is

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not. Just to clarify... Does he ask you to Blake get out from the

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back...? LAUGHTER -- does he ask you to play it out

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from the back? LAUGHTER The side that I love is doing

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different things, changing, developing, working on different

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tactics together, that is the enjoyable side of it. What kind of

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city is it, for people who have never been? A really nice surprise,

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I have never lived downtown, always lived on the outskirts, we live in

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the city centre here, a lot of history and culture. A lot of shops

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for your wife? A lot of shops! Myself as well! Not the most modern

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of places but certainly beautiful. Do you see yourself as someone who

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could follow you now, it is a while since we have seen in display of

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playing in Italy. I have certainly not done it for that reason. But it

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might open a few more avenues. If anyone wanted to speak with me about

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doing this, I would have nothing but positive things to say, the Italian

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lads speak to me about it a lot, the Italian people, why don't in display

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is come? They think it is because we think we are too good. I said, I

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think the communication is not there, as much as English players

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are not willing to go away, I don't think the contact is there from the

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other side. Hopefully, people will realise, if you don't ask, you do

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not get. The distant future... As we sit here now, Manchester City fans

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will be watching this thinking, will he ever play for our team again? I

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would say, I am pretty much... I am surplus to requirements at my parent

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club, at the moment. Do you see that changing? Well, not really. You are

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a realist? Yes, I have got to be realistic. And I love that club, and

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I always said, as long as they wanted me, I would be there. But I

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was always cautious when I said that because I am aware that other big

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clubs -- at the big clubs, staff can change quickly, opinions, people in

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charge, not everyone will like me, and want to play you, and that is

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the business side of it, I have grown into that, and I am certainly

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not going to take it personally. I want to play football, I love to

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play football, if that opportunity is not given there, then I have to

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look elsewhere, and may have to make somewhere else my home. Where are

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you at at the moment, back in England, Joe Hart is linked with

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this club, that club...? Frustrating to see my name thrown around so much

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when I am just getting on with what I'm doing, and whatever needs to be

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taken care of will be taken care of one way or another. I still have a

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parent club that I need to respect and work with. I understand that is

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the football business now, everyone has an opinion, a small comment can

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be... Can be used in an article, or whatever, but I don't know, if I am

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being brutally honest, I don't know where my future lies in terms of my

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team, because certainly, I have had no communication with anyone. The

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best thing that I can do is work hard, be ready for training every

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day, do my best for Torino, in my best when I represent my country and

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hopefully the rest will take care of itself. Gareth obviously replaced

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Sam Allardyce, how important is it to be playing in regular football as

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you are now next season for you to sustain their position as number

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one? Is not the kind of guy to be saying, you need to be doing this,

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you need to be doing that, he is a positive, interesting person, he has

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come out here to see me, really good of him, just one afternoon, to check

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in, he wants what is best the country, the only way that I can do

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that is if I am playing well and regularly and improving. We have

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some really good strong English keepers at the moment. I would like

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to think we are all pushing each other. My level has dropped, then I

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am gone, I understand that, I don't need any threats, I know how the

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game works. I have been a part of it for a while. How different is it, we

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see these last-minute deadline day deals, with outfield players,

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striker, left back... Is it a roulette wheel with a goalkeeper,

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you sometimes have to look around Europe or the premiere for one to go

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and another to fit in? Yes, unfortunately! That is the truth.

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Especially the top teams, because every top team has at least one top

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goalkeeper. You need people to move, managers to change, you need

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something to happen for something to happen, you cannot just charge in

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somewhere. Thank you very much. Jack of all

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trades. No problem, nice to meet you.

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If you had a wisher 's neck season with the Premier League be your

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preferred choice, if that window arose? -- wish list. I love the

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Premier League, love Premier League games. Removing myself as a

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footballer, I watch the Premier League, it's a great league,

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fantastic football is played in it. I know it really, really well. I

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wouldn't say... It's not top of my wish list, top of my wish list is to

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play for a club that wants me to be their goalkeeper. We all want to be

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wanted and you can't blame Joe Hart for moving as quickly as he did to

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Torino and not staying to see how things pan out at Manchester city.

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He seems a little bit bruised by the whole experienced, would you say,

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and his departure in general? Yeah I think it's a very compelling

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interview coming he was very honest with a lot of his answers. I think

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the problem because he played the beginning of the season, was in the

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club at the beginning of the season, the game in the Champions League,

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then add the last minute the move to Torino was there. Had he known about

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its two weeks earlier he would have had a better option. The move to

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Torino is fantastic because it gives him an opportunity to play first of

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all. And in some ways show people in England, more importantly at

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Manchester, he's still a top drawer goalkeeper. From the goalkeeping

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perspective in particular, the psychology of that, when you are

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number one and feel you are not number one any more, it would be

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hard to get back that shirt, that position, it must become

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psychologically, different to being an outfield player. There is synergy

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here because when I was at Liverpool Brad Friedel was brought in and

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before that there had been a number of number two goalkeepers. I never

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felt threatened in any way. You develop, like with Joe, six years of

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relationship with a club that stretches beyond the changing room,

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to the fans, the staff working at the ground. All of a sudden you're

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not wanted. When Brad came in we flip-flopped a little while, then it

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was obvious I wasn't going to be number one goalkeeper going into my

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last season of my contract. I thought, I want to play, I'm not

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going to sit on a bench. Like a joke he could have sat around for a year

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and people would say, you could fight for your place if it means

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that much. When you realise you're not going to play, it affects

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everything. So you have to move. Do you think there was more to it than

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playing the ball out of his feet, Claudio Bravo being a different kind

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of goalie? Was there something about his personality that quality owner

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wasn't finding synergy with? Not sure about his personality but it

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was clear Guardiola didn't want in there. The last game he played he

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played the ball with his feet more than he'd done in any other kind of

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game. It was clear he wanted to be able to prove himself, adapt to this

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new way of goalkeeping. I think as a semiprofessional amateur goalkeeper

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you might be more qualified to answer this. This sweeper keeper

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thing is a myth. It was trendy for a few months but you don't really see

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it happening at the moment. Claudio Bravo hasn't had a great start at

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Man City, with Willy Caballero has come in. Joe Hart is probably quite

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happy about. If I'm a top-flight manager I might be in Torino on the

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other side of the city, Juventus, I'm looking at Joe, whose to foreign

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life. You don't think a move back to the Premier League is fait accompli

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for him. You think moving around Europe would be good for him

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career-wise? I would be looking at Juventus, looking at how bouffant is

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getting on and saying, I could take his place. He's good enough to do

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it. The only impish play at the moment playing abroad. For somebody

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to go there just doesn't happen, he talks about it. It's rare for an

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English player to be abroad. Hats off to him for going out there and

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saying, I want to play, doesn't matter where he wants to play.

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Hopefully he'll keep playing for England. I think that's what he

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wants to do. There are lots of good English goalkeepers around at the

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moment. You don't think you should be worried about that? No, heating

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at Burnley is a good goalkeeper. Hasn't got the experience, but at

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30, made 52 appearances in my 30s. He's got an opportunity to do that.

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This is a great opportunity for you, Lloyd, to get advice from David.

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Things haven't been going well lately for you. I let in a pretty

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bad goal last week. I hope you can give me feedback. A free kick from

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35, maybe 38 yards out. What do you think I could have done better to

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stop the ball going in? My first thought would be had you been

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standing somewhere else it wouldn't have gone in. Two. Maybe the wall

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was to... Definitely obscuring your view. I've got an interview at

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Sutton next week. It might not ballot rebounds as much on their

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pitch. What about the pie eating? Only after 90 minutes. It's not

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often you get a true exclusive but we are proud to announce the first

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ever interview with one of the game's biggest stars. All right

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lads, not now, big game, big game. I like to think of myself as a cross

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between Paul Merson and Yann Mulberry. Come on, lads!

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I liked George Best. No, no... I liked zippy best.

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I like to go to the cinema. I saw from the other week and I sat next

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to Arsene Wenger. Yeah, he didn't see it.

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I'd like to go into management. There are a few jobs around. I was

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driving up the on the other day and saw a sign saying there was a gap at

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Watford. The worst injury I ever had was

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claustrophobia. The club didn't believe me. They wanted to deal with

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it behind closed doors but to be honest they didn't help.

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I remember once I saw this steward run on the pitch and score a goal

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for Manchester United. He had Martial written on his back.

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Martial! This is a tricorn hat from the 16th century. I thought I'd

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break up the own samey football interviews. With this it's all about

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the three points. Well I'm always the last to leave

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the training ground. But that's because I'm quite slow. I do like to

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stay behind to practice my diving. What's that all about? Great dive,

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great dive. At this point in time I am a real sociopath player and there

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was no truth in the room as I might be going to the Chinese super

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league. To put it another way... I sometimes get the feeling, I've had

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it with you, David James, sometimes footballers are toying with us. To

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make things more interesting for themselves when they do interviews

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they either decide to go off on a tangent or avoid the question being

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asked with a finance. Guilty? That cruel to suggest. Depending on the

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environment and the occasion, if it is the international finals there

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might be a theme going around the changing room you're trying to get

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out there. Other times... I had a long time in the Premier League...

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If you've got a good media backing you don't mind having a joke with

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the media side of things. If you're getting hammered your more closed

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shop. You go from one word answers, avoiding the conversation, really.

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The best interviews are where you don't talk solely about football.

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Look at Claudio Ranieri in the last 18 months, talking about pizza and

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bells. If I was a football manager I'd talk about pizza nonstop. Pizza

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or pies. Every manager should take a leaf out of his book and talk about

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their classic car collection or if they have a chopper collection.

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Maybe they are worried they will be forever labelled pizza man as you

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were labelled the man who played too many computer games. Every time you

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made any kind of... Not even mistake, let a goal in, it was

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blamed... The line was bad, wobbly pictures. 20 years ago and having a

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chat with what I thought was a friend of mine, journalist. I

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happened to mention I played computer games, took away nervous

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energy. I still got it now, people telling me, still playing Nintendo?

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I said no, its PlayStation. Get it right! When Stockport and blossoms

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took to the stage at Eddie had, the lifelong man city fans achieved a

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lifelong dream. They've been back to reminisce. -- at the Etihad Stadium.

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Tom and Joel at the Etihad Stadium. It's used for some of the biggest

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gigs in the UK, we've seen some of our favourite bands. We had to look

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at the marriages between eight professional footballer and being in

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a band. This is where we first played at

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city as an unsigned band. Some of our favourite memories as a band and

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as mates have been in the stadium. Aguero scored, we had a season

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ticket over there. Aguero! Different to our dressing. When you

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have a dressing room at a gig doesn't feel like yours, doesn't

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feel personal. Coral rehearsal space is more like their dressing room,

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somewhere they come all the time. There's no beer fridge, though. That

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is big difference. Seek what it takes to become a Premier League

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footballer we're going behind-the-scenes. Ex-city player

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turned coach Mark Kennedy. I've been a city fan all my life, you were the

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first person on my shirt. It was a kids shirt so your name and 34 would

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take that 95% of it. Being a city player in the 90s you would imagine

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away cis... You can't avoid it. I was a massive oasis fan anyway,

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around the time of Wonderwall, it was a big thing. I suppose it got

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grip of the whole city. I look back at the team we had, we were... You

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would get left behind now straightaway. You get back what you

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put in. Like loads of bands, you've got to be the best. Work harder than

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the rest. I love football but I played hard as well, I didn't

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achieve anywhere near what I should have done. Because of the way I

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lived my life. If I was more professional, you would assume you

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would have had more success. Carry on doing what you do. You're doing

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really well. That shot looks good. It's casual. Probably take the wage.

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Yeah. Dressing room. It's good, that. Apart from that I'll stick to

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being in a band. We've got a gig to do. Bourdy let's have a look at this

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weekend's fixtures. The FA Cup quarterfinals mean a reduced Premier

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League programme with just four games. Three kick-offs on Saturday.

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A big game at the bottom of the table with Hull taking on a

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resurgent Swansea. Liverpool will hope to avenge their early-season

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defeat to Burnley. That's it from us by thank you to two goalkeepers

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extraordinaire, Lloyd and David. We'll be back next week with Gary

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Lineker sitting down to talk to Jose Mourinho. Until then, goodbye.

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Steve Bower travels to Turin to talk to Joe Hart, who is on loan at Torino from Manchester City. Plus, Gabby Logan is joined by David James and Lloyd Griffith, comedian Milton Jones gives his take on player interviews and indie band Blossoms talk about their undying love for Manchester City.