21/01/2018 MOTD2 Extra


21/01/2018

Mark Chapman and guests analyse the talking points from Saturday's Premier League games and look ahead to Sunday's fixture between Southampton and Tottenham Hotspur.


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Hello and welcome to Match

of the Day 2 Extra -

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we're on BBC Two, 5 live,

the BBC Sport website and app,

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as well as the iPlayer.

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Joining me today -

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The Leicester Assistant Manager

Michael Appleton, Joleon Lescott,

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who won two Premier League titles

with Man City. And Miguel Delaney,

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the chief football writer at Be

Independent.

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As ever, we want to hear

from you, using the hashtag

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#bbcfootball on social media -

or you can text us on 85058.

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Here's what's coming up.

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Out of the blue this morning,

Watford have sacked manager

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Marco Silva and blamed an "unwanted

approach from a Premier

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League rival."

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It's on - only the medicals to wait

for now for Alexis Sanchez

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and Henrikh Mhkitaryan ahead

of their swap.

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Normal service resumed

for Manchester City thanks

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to Sergio's hat-trick.

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And the perfect start

for Paul Lambert as Stoke

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get their first win since Christmas

to move out of the bottom three.

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In terms of the papers...

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The Sunday Times -

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"Who needs Sanchez

when you've got Sergio?"

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Also Spurs fight Real over world

record bid for Kane -

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the Spanish side apparently ready

to offer £200 million.

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The Sunday Mirror -

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"Heir of the Pog" -

saying Paul Pogba could demand

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to double his wages to match Alexis

Sanchez.

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And the Sunday Express -

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"Pierre we go" - Arsenal can sign

Borussia Dortmund striker

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Pierre Emerick Aubameyang

if they pay £55 million.

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Big surprise this

morning from Watford.

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They've sacked manager Marco Silva.

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A club statement this morning said:

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"This has been a difficult decision

and one not taken lightly.

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The Ccub is convinced

the appointment of Silva

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was the right one and had it not

been for the unwarranted approach

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by a Premier League rival

for his services we would have

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continued to prosper

under his leadership.

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The catalyst for this decision

is that unwarranted approach,

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something which the board believes

has seen a significant deterioration

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in both focus and results

to the point where the long-term

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future of Watford FC

has been jeopardised.

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For the security and success

of the football club,

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the board believes it has

to make a change."

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The BBC's senior football reporter

Ian Dennis joins us now.

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What has been going on behind

the scenes at Watford?

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For it to get to this point?

That

approach from Everton, I think was

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mid-November, I do not think it has

been right since Watford turned

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enter the £8.5 million. I don't

think it went unnoticed with the

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hierarchy that he never killed it.

You compare his stance to that of

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Sean Dyche when he has been linked

with jobs and Sean Dyche... Would

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say he is fully focused on

concentrating on the job, Silva

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never did that. I think the owners

believe he lost focus,

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they have seen the spirit ebb away

from the club. Admittedly a

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crippling injury list has not helped

Silva, but I believe he has been

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quite stubborn from a tactical point

of view. He said he wanted one

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player upfront and the wide players

providing the pace. Those who watch

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Watford regularly say those tactics

were fine when players were fresh

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but now they are not so fresh and

perhaps they need to go two upfront,

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which has not happened.

I have said for a while that Watford

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are sliding, perception is

everything because last year people

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would say they were struggling, and

Marco Silva, who made a good start,

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everything is fine. But the hard

facts are that Watford form points

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worse off than at this stage last

season.

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Who next, or is it too early?

They

are looking for a temporary manager

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that McGregor have been working

under eight MP manager to work under

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the Pozzo family for years. But

there is no instability in the

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boardroom. There is a clear focus,

Watford have a track record of

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acting swiftly. I believe they have

a manager lined up, I expect them to

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make an appointment in a matter of

days. The bookies' favourite is the

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Malaga coach, Jose Manuel Pozo the

slope is, I understand Watford are

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looking elsewhere but I am trying to

find to that is. I think it will

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happen in days and I would expect

him to be in charge for Southampton

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FA Cup try next weekend.

Thank you, Ian Dennis. Michael

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Appleton has stuck the final sword

into Marco Silva's site?

Don't do

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that to me! I am a little surprised,

if I am honest. Yesterday the result

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was good from our point of view. I

think the game was much tougher than

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you would probably suggest if you

felt someone or add team was under

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pressure. Yesterday they did not

play like a team that was not

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playing for the manager, I assure

you.

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I remember hearing earlier this

season that Manchester United were

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looking at him in the long-term,

they are impressed at what he has

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done. Chelsea had an eye on him. He

has gone from everyone talking about

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how good his coaching was, to within

seven months a relegation and a

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sacking, incredible. Some of this, I

do wonder, is that almost a

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consequence of what would are as a

club. They are transitory club now

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and which so many players come

through and leave within a year,

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they have had so much chain chain

over with managers. One of the

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reasons they appointed Silva was to

improve profile, the issue of

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perception that you brought up. And,

to a degree, when someone like

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Everton comes in for your manager,

it will Foster the situation that

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you are seen as a stepping stone. I

wonder if that led to the spell

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being broken between him and the

players, given how good results were

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before. I wonder how you feel about

that?

There were lots applauded some

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praise for him at the start of the

season, but as it has gone on, the

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link to Everton came, the results

have not got any better. It is funny

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their reason for sacking him, and

see what they do now. Will they

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potentially trailer another team and

poach their manager? It is all right

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for them to say that there was the

press for Silva from Everton, but

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there is another manager at another

team.

He was sacked that Olympiakos

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are not wearing the club suit, he

was not wearing his seat yesterday.

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We're used to seeing him so well

polished, so it was a bit

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surprising. But going back to the

way they have come to the decision,

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you do not know what messages he has

been Bremain back to the players

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within the group. He did not come

out at the time and deny that there

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was not an interest from Everton in

this approach, but we do not know

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the type of conversations taking

place between him and his players.

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If he was dismissing it there and

then, I cannot see it having that

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much of an effect on the group. It

can go both ways. I have been in the

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position when I have managed a

certain club band that has been

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interest from other clubs, it can

help you. -- managed a certain club

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and there has been interest.

Sometimes it can bring the best out

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in you.

It is interesting to see who they

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will replace him with, but in terms

of the approach and going back to

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when the approach happened, I am not

too convinced.

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Let's listen to Marco Silva, this

was his last interview as Watford

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coach after defeat against Michael

Appleton's Leicester yesterday.

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Of course you want to win, you want

it taken of points for us.

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it taken of points for us. This is

the attitude and the commitment that

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I saw against Southampton as well.

If you achieve the results, the team

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confidence and belief will be

better. We need to keep going and

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keep working hard. The Premier

League is like this. All the games

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are really hard to win and we need

to keep going and to work, everybody

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fights to take points and they need

to do the same.

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You have been getting in touch, keep

your messages coming. You can get in

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touch on social media using the

hashtag #bbcfootball. One person

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until Twitter says farewell, you had

the potential to be one of our

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greatest bosses and Graham Taylor

after a terrific start to the

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season. Sadly you try to jump ship

as soon as a better offer came along

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and things have never been the same.

Matt Smith says go and get Marco

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Silva now, hashtag Saints. Damian

says Marco Silva deserve the sack,

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what the's drop has been mad, they

were five points behind Man Utd in

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November and now it is 27 points.

That is insane, man, says Damian.

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Miguel Cummins tens of Marco Silva,

is there an argument that this has

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damaged his stop? -- Miguel, in

terms of Marco Silva? Has he thrown

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his toys out of the pram after not

getting the Everton job?

It is hard

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not to get the feeling that he tried

to make too many gems too quickly.

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Having just come to England, he

improved their performances, the

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relegation was inevitable, he could

not stop that. That was already

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January, and already he is looking

at a club with a lot of money and

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lots of history, they have won more

titles than almost any club in

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England, Everton. To make that jump

so quickly and to be so ready. I

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heard in October and November that

some people around him advised him

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to give it a full season at a club

to show you can build, if you jump

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ship too readily, who will want to

invest in you?

After that, if you do

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well at Everton, potential

speculation of going to a bigger

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club and they are like, can we trust

him?

Gary Ward on Twitter says clubs

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will never progress if you keep

sacking manager when times get a

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little bit challenging. James says

Marco Silva was not good enough.

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Shocking decision. Michael, do

players think I could not get my

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move, I will sell can not put in as

much?

Absolutely not, it is crazy to

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suggest.

-- Michael, do managers

think?

Premier League is a difficult

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place, it is difficult to manage. As

an assistant now I see the pressures

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put on managers these days, the

expectations of results. You look at

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the Premier League as it is at the

moment and could argue there are

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three leagues but there are two,

there is the top six on the other 14

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teams fighting it out to make sure

they keep their Premiership status.

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I do not think you have time to soul

can't feel sorry for yourself in the

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Premier League. It is cut-throat. --

time to sulk and to feel sorry for

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yourself. He has paid the cost for

not winning enough games over a

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period of time, rather than a short

period. The those who mentioned

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Watford could get sucked into this,

it is so tight from around 20th,

but

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if you are thinking would I go there

as a manager, why would I go there

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was so much change?

As a manager you

will back yourself, there you have

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the ability to get them out. Roy

Hodgson saw and felt that with

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Crystal Palace and has done that so

far this season. I am sure there are

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managers confident enough to get a

Watford out of trouble.

We will talk

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about Alexis Sanchez now.

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As first reported last night

by the BBC's David Ornstein,

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Henrikh Mkhitaryan has agreed

to join Arsenal, with Alexis Sanchez

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going to Manchester United.

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It's a straight swap - no additional

transfer fee for Arsenal.

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The medicals are happening

today and tomorrow.

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Who's getting the best of this deal?

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I would say United, they are

bringing in a player that everyone

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seems to want. And they are getting

rid of a player that just was not

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working with Mourinho. I do not

think Arsenal got a bad deal in the

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circumstances, they had a difficult

situation with Sanchez. He is a

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brilliant player but clearly they

were not getting the best out of him

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this season with everything

happening and he was going to go for

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free. They have a player that I

think be quite suited to Wenger, he

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has lots of talent. He has something

to prove. Because did not work at

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United does not mean he will not add

Arsenal.

Played at the highest the

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majority of his career, technically

very good. Libertarian is very good,

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hopefully he will do well.

Most of

Arsenal's best work is done in and

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around the opposition box. I think

the best work we have probably seen

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from libertarian at United was in

those areas. Wenger has probably

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thought if we can get the best out

of him and what he does best, in the

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team they have with the amount of

talent they have, it could be a good

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fit for both.

You always hear that Mourinho puts

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defensive demands on players like

that and Wenger does not, would you

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think that?

Wenger is probably known

for putting his arm around players

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too much, making them feel loved.

Mourinho is a bit harsh. But I'm

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sure he will benefit from this.

Miguel, the stall in this deal, it

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has moved quickly but it stalled

over the last few years. I read your

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piece for the Independent online

about Mino Raiola, the agent, who

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has a huge say in this both the

Sanchez and Mickey Terry on?

In the

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last two years he was quite

well-known but now he is one of the

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board's biggest movers. He was

involved in Paul Pogba's transfer,

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and now Mickey Terry and's. The

United and Sanchez deal were agreed

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on Wednesday night, but the idea was

how it would be constructed. The

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issue is whether Arsenal could meet

Henrikh Mkhitaryan's wages. And

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because he had not settled at

United, he preferred to return to

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Dortmund, where he had done so well.

A client has that position, an agent

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like real's view is that they are

not compromising. -- and agent like

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Ray Ola's view. A lot of this is

stalling, I heard on Wednesday could

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be organised by Thursday apart from

the facts about Mino Raiola is

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involved. To be fair, he is getting

a deal for his clients.

Do agents

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have that much say? In your life and

your career? If Pep was saying we

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will not pay the money, there must

be times when you think what is

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major doing?

Obviously he has made

the decision, his agent has made the

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decision to go to Arsenal or Man

United, in terms of Mike Cherry and

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his agent works for him, he doesn't

work for Manchester United or

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Arsenal so he needs to get the best

for his player and his client. As I

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said, both players were negotiating

on free contracts so there will be

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some details in there that need to

be ironed out.

Where does he fit

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into this Manchester United side?

Still a big fan to be fair and it

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will be interesting to see who makes

way for him. I suppose as a British

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coach, an English player, the amount

of time that Lingard is having in

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the team at the minute, and

obviously it's exciting that Marcus

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Rashford is just behind him.

Worrying from an England point of

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view.

That does worry me, these

players have come through in the

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last 12-18 months that have excited

everyone and Marcus going into the

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England setup and setting the

international scene alight, that

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would be a worry from the

Englishman, but if you were a

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Manchester United fan it's very

exciting.

No-brainer?

Absolute

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no-brainer, one of the most exciting

players in the Premier League and to

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go with that the workrate you have

talked about, fantastic work rate

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and he is a team player.

Yesterday I

was at Burnley for the united win

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and Mourinho said after the game

with Zlatan Ibrahimovic who has been

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injured and may not be fully fit

before what happened to him last

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season, he argued he only has four

players in three positions upfront

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and he wanted to sign a winger and a

striker as well. With all the games

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they have got it might not be too

damaging for Rashford in that way

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because of rotation but ultimately

he might not be the main starter as

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he was.

You have been getting in

touch, David says not was Alexis

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running down his contract but his

attitude has been stinking at the

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club since the Bayern Munich games.

Imagine if he had been forced to

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stay, so it could have been worse

for Arsenal fans. Stevens says,

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terrible deal for both clubs and

both players who end up at clubs

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they didn't want to join in the

first place, sums up what is wrong

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with the modern game. David says it

a player easily worth £100 million,

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if Coutinho was worth £140 million,

just because of age Sanchez is

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better and swapping him for a player

they struggle to get four to £40

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million from a great deal for

Manchester United. In terms of

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Arsenal, they didn't struck without

Alexis Sanchez yesterday. Four goals

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in 22 minutes against Crystal Palace

and there is lots of chat about

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Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang. Where is

that one sitting at the moment, with

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Arsene Wenger last night being asked

about him and he said he didn't want

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to talk about it and commented on

Mkhitaryan more than Aubameyang.

He

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was a bit coy on it, from what I've

heard, basically because of the

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disciplinary issues Aubameyang has

had at Dortmund, to be fair it is

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worse than the Sanchez situation at

Arsenal in that regard but they

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eventually want to do business, so I

can see that happening before the

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end of the window. Although I'm not

sure it's as far along as maybe some

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of the impressions given. I thought

yesterday it was very Arsenal that

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win, in the sense that you always

get the sense over the last five or

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six years with them that every time

they are about to... When it looks

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like things are going well and there

are about to make a jump to get to

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the next level they lose a big game

and have some sort of calamity but

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every time it is about to get really

bad they get a win like that.

That

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result didn't surprise me yesterday.

The result surprise me but the

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manner of the result did. Looking at

the two goals from the corners, I

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was quite shocked, and Roy will be

disappointed. I worked with Roy in

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my days at West Brom his attention

to detail is as good as anybody's in

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the game, no doubt about that. For

them to score two goals from

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corners, as they did yesterday, is

probably the only surprise, two

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goals coming from set plays.

You

were nodding along in agreement.

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Yeah, you are surprise, but going

back to the Pierre-Emerick

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Aubameyang situation there must be

issues off the field because a

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player of that quality in today's

market is worth more than 55

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million. Those numbers being talked

about, it is a lot of money, but the

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market is outrageous at the moment

so you would accept, expect him to

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get close to 200 million.

Mkhitaryan

played in that team with him at

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Dortmund and we have seen how great

Aubameyang on his day is at

0:19:510:19:54

Dortmund, here's some player.

I

remember watching him against Spurs

0:19:540:19:58

in the Europa League in 2015-16 and

the build-up to the game was about

0:19:580:20:03

two rising teams, especially just

before Spurs' first title challenge

0:20:030:20:07

under Pochettino and Dortmund were

brilliant, they linked up superbly.

0:20:070:20:12

Mkhitaryan is a player we have not

seen at your did enough, apart from

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against Spurs last season. If Arsene

Wenger can bring that out. You

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touched on it earlier, Mourinho has

a harder edge, whereas one of the

0:20:210:20:24

issues at Arsenal that Wenger

indulges players too much but maybe

0:20:240:20:28

these are two plays that need that.

Suk-Man Joleon Lescott, that's the

0:20:280:20:33

voice of Miguel Delaney if you're

listening on 5 live, Michael

0:20:330:20:37

Appleton, Leicester Assistant

Manager with us in the studio.

0:20:370:20:39

Joleon Lescott, if Arsenal end up

getting Aubameyang, and it's a big

0:20:390:20:43

if, but if they end up with Nick

Terry and Aubameyang and they have

0:20:430:20:45

got rid of Sanchez, and ended that

saga, they have come out of it

0:20:450:20:50

pretty well, haven't they?

Good

business from Arsenal's point of

0:20:500:20:53

view, if you look at it and say they

have spent 55 million and got two

0:20:530:20:57

players who have played at the

highest level, for me that's a good

0:20:570:21:01

business.

Absolutely, yeah. If you

look at the league he is coming from

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as well, it's quite important. The

German league is probably the

0:21:050:21:09

closest out of the European leagues

to the Premier League in terms of it

0:21:090:21:13

all stop so he is used to that

robust style we see sometimes in the

0:21:130:21:17

Premier League. The defenders. I

agree with Joleon that I think it's

0:21:170:21:24

good business all round and I think

it is one where Mourinho and Wenger,

0:21:240:21:27

the sooner it is done and dusted and

out of the way everyone can get on

0:21:270:21:31

with their lives and we can move on

journalists can move on.

In terms of

0:21:310:21:40

Arsenal, looking at the squad they

put out against Bournemouth last

0:21:400:21:42

week, is this the most mediocre

Arsenal squad in Wenger's time at

0:21:420:21:47

the club? To get these two players,

even if they've had a few

0:21:470:21:51

difficulties, it immediately adds

that extra gloss.

One player

0:21:510:21:56

Manchester City wanted was Alexis

Sanchez, but it didn't work out and

0:21:560:21:58

the Samantha haven't got him in

January. They seemed to cope all

0:21:580:22:01

right with him yesterday, they have

man called Sergio Aguero who'd

0:22:010:22:04

Joleon Lescott knows well, his 11

Patrick for Manchester City beating

0:22:040:22:08

Newcastle 3-1.

0:22:080:22:11

I remember last time you were on

match of the dude Dominic Day two

0:22:110:22:16

extra, can you believe there is some

sort of chap that he might go at the

0:22:160:22:20

end of the season -- Match of the

Day 2 Extra? He is one of the best

0:22:200:22:25

strikers in the Premier League and

as a city fan and affiliated with

0:22:250:22:28

the club I'd like to see a player of

Sanchez's quality, but if it's at

0:22:280:22:32

the expense of Sergio Aguero I'm

glad he hasn't come. So, it must be

0:22:320:22:36

a personality clash between

Guardiola and him.

Possibly.

It can

0:22:360:22:41

be a question of the player, can it?

Not in his performances because he

0:22:410:22:46

scores goals regularly and in terms

of his personality it might be that

0:22:460:22:51

but knowing Sergio Aguero like that

I doubt it is the case. Obviously

0:22:510:22:55

managers have ideas of the way they

want to play on who they see in

0:22:550:22:58

those positions and maybe Sergio

doesn't fit the criteria he has for

0:22:580:23:01

his team.

Yeah, I'd agree, I have to

say, Pepo obviously once these

0:23:010:23:07

forwards to lead the line, in terms

of defending from the front and

0:23:070:23:12

pressing from the front -- Pep

Guardiola. Were touched on it a bit

0:23:120:23:15

off air, but with Aguero it

sometimes feels like he's one of the

0:23:150:23:19

strikers who conserves his energy to

be absolutely deadly when an

0:23:190:23:22

opportunity arises. The other side

of it is that since Guardiola has

0:23:220:23:26

been at the club that has was been

this kind of moments where it looks

0:23:260:23:29

like... All of the rumours and

speculation come out about Aguero's

0:23:290:23:33

future and they put in such an

effort to try and kill it but it

0:23:330:23:37

never quite goes away and it always

off-the-peg. Fosters this

0:23:370:23:41

impression.

Yesterday seen reports

about Pep Guardiola saying there was

0:23:410:23:48

no words to describe Sergio. Just

say he is brilliant, or say

0:23:480:23:52

something more Sylhet convinces

everyone. It's like you don't want

0:23:520:23:55

to say what we Olmo and feel about

Sergio.

What is it? No one else is

0:23:550:23:59

listening, it's just you and me,

what is he like? Is he a good lad,

0:23:590:24:03

easy to get on with?

Of course he

is, he is great.

Does he have any

0:24:030:24:09

issues?

I don't know anyone who has

issues with Sergio. Even the

0:24:090:24:14

incident when he was in Holland and

involved in a car accident, it

0:24:140:24:20

wasn't a negative story, there was

nothing negative about Sergio

0:24:200:24:23

Aguero, he is professional, loves

his craft and loves to score goals

0:24:230:24:26

and he does that pretty much every

week.

Looking at Manchester City and

0:24:260:24:30

the goals they scored most weeks

against most teams, they almost like

0:24:300:24:36

the perfect goal, 5-a-side goals,

getting to the byline, six yard box,

0:24:360:24:40

penalty spot, pull it back, bang,

goal. What he has got her mind what

0:24:400:24:45

you've got with Aguero, is if the

game is tight and they can't get

0:24:450:24:48

those goals and they can't get in

behind teams he scores any type of

0:24:480:24:52

goal and scores goals from areas and

parts of the pitch.

You have said

0:24:520:24:57

all that, Michael, educate me as

someone watching football, when I

0:24:570:25:01

see Sergio Aguero doing all that,

what more does Pep Guardiola want

0:25:010:25:04

from him if he's already

transitioned him into everything?

0:25:040:25:08

Maybe he wants to motivate him,

there are different ways of

0:25:080:25:14

motivating players and it's clearly

working.

Aguero is around 30 and he

0:25:140:25:18

plays with that instinct in terms of

scoring. Can you be educated player

0:25:180:25:23

that late in their career, do you

reckon, as a coach?

I think you can.

0:25:230:25:28

I think you can, there is no doubt

that younger players probably learn

0:25:280:25:32

quicker in terms of whether its

technical work you are doing. But in

0:25:320:25:35

terms of educating older players in

terms of styles and areas you want

0:25:350:25:42

them to get into, their own

experience will pick up on that very

0:25:420:25:46

quickly with a group of intelligent

players. So I don't think you can

0:25:460:25:50

never stop learning, it's the same

with coaches and managers, and

0:25:500:25:52

certainly with players. We see it

year in year out and week in and

0:25:520:25:58

week out in the Premier League

anyway, lots of the time when you

0:25:580:26:02

get to 28, 20 ninth that is where

you come into your own anyway so he

0:26:020:26:05

is in the prime of his career

really. -- 20 eight, 29. For me some

0:26:050:26:11

things happen for a region and

sometimes you get a bit of luck down

0:26:110:26:14

the line -- happen for a reason. Him

staying at the possibility of

0:26:140:26:17

Sanchez not going to the club could

work out well for him.

City fans

0:26:170:26:21

getting in touch, Jon on Facebook

says Aguero is one of the best in

0:26:210:26:24

the Premier League, one of the best

the Premier League has seen. Jon

0:26:240:26:28

Wilde says he's in the top five

worldwide. Wonderful to watch for

0:26:280:26:32

stubborn if you are a Newcastle fan

watching this morning, this

0:26:320:26:35

afternoon, more frustration for

Newcastle fans. That Amanda Staveley

0:26:350:26:38

deal looks dead in the water, or

does it? We hear different things

0:26:380:26:43

everyday. This is Alan Shearer

talking on Match of the Day last

0:26:430:26:46

night.

The reason I think Newcastle fans

0:26:460:26:49

want change, and most of them want

change, is that they are not getting

0:26:490:26:52

value for money and this is the

reason why. Every club in the

0:26:520:26:56

Premier League over the last two or

three years has broken their

0:26:560:27:00

transfer record. Newcastle's

transfer record 2005 was Michael

0:27:000:27:06

Owen £60 million. Another reason,

nine of the players who played today

0:27:060:27:10

were in the Championship last

season. The other two, Manquillo

0:27:100:27:14

were at Sunderland and possibly at

Stoke, that's the reason Newcastle

0:27:140:27:17

fans want a change of owner.

You were nodding along to some of

0:27:170:27:22

that. You can understand the

Newcastle fans' frustration that

0:27:220:27:25

this has gone on again, and at the

end of another window when they will

0:27:250:27:28

not get the quality they need to get

in and potentially be down in the

0:27:280:27:32

Championship again.

First and

foremost the size of the club and

0:27:320:27:37

the amount of interest that we all

have with that football club, even

0:27:370:27:40

if you are not associated with it,

it is a hotbed part of the country.

0:27:400:27:44

It is probably a little bit

different to most clubs in terms of,

0:27:440:27:49

you know, how compact it is and you

walk into the city and that's the

0:27:490:27:53

only thing that people talk about,

the football. I was shocked last

0:27:530:27:57

night when I was watching Match of

the Day and I saw those figures Alan

0:27:570:28:01

was talking about, their record

signing £16 million. I was honestly

0:28:010:28:07

astonished. For a club that big. I

can understand certain frustrations.

0:28:070:28:12

Even before that Alan Shearer was 15

million and that was nine years

0:28:120:28:15

before that, so it wasn't like it

was 4 million up to 15, it was still

0:28:150:28:21

moderate figures considering the way

the market has gone over the last

0:28:210:28:24

ten years.

The way they spend money

actually puts a real figure on this

0:28:240:28:28

feeling that they are kind of just

treading water. That is the great

0:28:280:28:33

frustration with Newcastle. I

suppose for any supporter and anyone

0:28:330:28:35

involved with the club, the great

thing about football is the hope,

0:28:350:28:38

the idea that you can do more and

something else will happen. But with

0:28:380:28:42

Newcastle it feels there is always

this sealing there.

Maybe because

0:28:420:28:46

it's a businessman running the club,

he doesn't have that much

0:28:460:28:49

affiliation with Newcastle in his

heart. That's probably the reason

0:28:490:28:53

why he's running at more so as a

business.

As a devil's advocate,

0:28:530:28:57

it's his business and he does what

he likes with it, Newcastle fans

0:28:570:29:00

will not like that. We have breaking

news, Miguel, Tommy what you mean,

0:29:000:29:07

think of this. Javi Gracia, is

affected to be the next Watford

0:29:070:29:12

manager, formerly of Rubin Kazan.

One thing about Spain, I remember

0:29:120:29:20

talking to an executive of a Premier

League club recently, the reason

0:29:200:29:24

they still like young players from

Spain and Germany in England is

0:29:240:29:29

because of how good the coaching is

and Javi Gracia is the latest in

0:29:290:29:32

that. Malaga have had their own

issues in the last few years. He's

0:29:320:29:38

kind of helped stabilise the club.

I'm not too familiar with him but it

0:29:380:29:46

fits the profile for Watford.

Michael Appleton is set to be his...

0:29:460:29:52

I wouldn't do that you live on BBC

Two! Let's move on and talk about

0:29:520:29:58

Stoke and maybe Huddersfield. Paul

Lambert's first game in charge. Huge

0:29:580:30:02

the new manager effect, isn't it?

Interesting to see on Match of the

0:30:020:30:06

Day that they mentioned last night,

the sprint stats were higher than

0:30:060:30:09

they have been all season under Mark

Hughes from the Stoke players. That

0:30:090:30:13

must infuriate Mark Hughes but

delight Lambert who's off to a great

0:30:130:30:17

start.

I watched the show last

night, even though the sprint stats

0:30:170:30:24

to hire it was just marginally. It

is very marginal.

Sensationalising?

0:30:240:30:32

I would not read too much into it.

There will always be an effect when

0:30:320:30:37

a new manager comes in, and they

have good footballers. Yesterday

0:30:370:30:42

they had three or four micro top

performers, they performed on the

0:30:420:30:45

day and it from the highlights that

there would only be one winner. --

0:30:450:30:50

and it looked from the highlights.

The fact that Paul came in, only had

0:30:500:30:55

three or four days, he will take the

plaudits, rightly so. It will be

0:30:550:31:00

interesting to see how it develops

over the coming weeks.

0:31:000:31:04

I think anyone can do with the one

game, that is the criticism of

0:31:040:31:09

Stoke, their top performers give it

maybe once a month. It is keeping

0:31:090:31:13

them motivated for long periods. No

disrespect, the fixture help them.

0:31:130:31:21

So you think that Stoke could be

dragged into it?

I do not think

0:31:210:31:26

anybody outside the top six feels

they are not vulnerable.

It is

0:31:260:31:30

amazing what has happened, mid-table

obscurity has essentially been

0:31:300:31:35

obliterated, it does not exist any

more. With Stoke in 2008 or clubs

0:31:350:31:40

like Swansea, they got into the

Premier League, consolidated, had a

0:31:400:31:44

few years where they sat around

eight to around 30 for 14th, trite

0:31:440:31:49

things, got used to the league, it

does not happen now. -- eighth to

0:31:490:31:56

around 13th or 14th, trite things.

Paul Lambert was with me in the 5

0:31:560:32:00

live studio about ten days ago when

Mark used that all his eggs in the

0:32:000:32:05

Newcastle basket, lost the game and

I was like, you are in! You said I

0:32:050:32:09

will never manage in the Premier

League again, he did not expect the

0:32:090:32:13

Premier League job, then years.

And

he will look to take his

0:32:130:32:18

opportunity. He will be thankful

that the opportunity. There was a

0:32:180:32:22

lot said that he was 15th choice or

whatever, he says he did not care if

0:32:220:32:28

he was 50th, he was given an

opportunity, he has Premier League

0:32:280:32:32

managerial experience. On the point

the lads were making about how tight

0:32:320:32:37

he is, the Premier League has almost

become like a two Elite League. --

0:32:370:32:42

on the point the lads were making

about how tight it is. It was Claude

0:32:420:32:49

Puel's side, Southampton, finished

seventh or eighth on 46 points,

0:32:490:32:53

Watford were 17th on 40. There were

six points between ten or 11 teams.

0:32:530:33:00

On that subject...

0:33:000:33:03

Leicester City moved up to seventh -

or top of the "other table",

0:33:030:33:06

as Gary Lineker put it on Match

of The Day last night - with a 2-0

0:33:060:33:10

win over Watford yesterday.

0:33:100:33:13

What exactly has

Claude Puel done to turn things

0:33:130:33:15

around at Leicester?

0:33:150:33:16

Along with you.

0:33:160:33:22

There is no doubt, we have three or

four Micro lads in the side at the

0:33:220:33:27

moment who are on top form. They are

at the top of the game. It was

0:33:270:33:32

highlighted over the last couple of

weeks of how well Riyadh Mahrez has

0:33:320:33:37

played, and obviously Vardy has come

into his own. There has been

0:33:370:33:43

speculation around Harry and Man

City. They are positive things for

0:33:430:33:47

Leicester City. We have players in

goods spirits. Over the last three

0:33:470:33:58

we have gone into Jamie a lot

quicker and sometimes too quick at

0:33:580:34:04

times.

Too predictable?

Possibly,

but as a club it has been very

0:34:040:34:11

effective.

Won the Premier League.

But what he has try to instil into

0:34:110:34:18

the players is on the transition, on

the turnover, if you cannot do it in

0:34:180:34:22

one it might be

three or four Micro

passes.

What is Puel like as a guy?

0:34:220:34:30

He seems like a thinker to me? Is he

different to your style?

The fact he

0:34:300:34:36

is French and I am English, we had

to communicate...

You meet in the

0:34:360:34:44

middle?

He is very calm and

calculated. But he is a winner, you

0:34:440:34:49

can tell that on a Saturday or a

Tuesday on the side of the pitch, he

0:34:490:34:54

is very passionate and knows what he

wants, if he does not get it he

0:34:540:34:57

makes them aware of it.

From an media perspective he seems

0:34:570:35:03

quite quiet and relaxed? It is hard

to imagine him suddenly going

0:35:030:35:09

furious?

I think you find that with

lots of managers. There is an image

0:35:090:35:16

certain managers have because they

are in front of the cameras, in

0:35:160:35:20

front of 40 or 50,000, trying to

keep themselves in check. If you are

0:35:200:35:25

losing your emotions too much you

are not watching what is going on on

0:35:250:35:30

the field, not watching of the

opposition has changed formation,

0:35:300:35:32

certain players are affecting the

game more than others. Also behind

0:35:320:35:41

that I think most managers and most

people who go into the game as a

0:35:410:35:46

manager have that bite, and when

they needed they bring it out.

There

0:35:460:35:50

were lots of Leicester fans, I don't

know if you listen to the likes of

0:35:500:35:54

606 when you're driving home, saying

Claude Puel, why we ended up...?

0:35:540:35:59

Because of what happened at

Southampton. He did an incredible

0:35:590:36:03

job at Nice, look what he has done

with you guys in a short space. He

0:36:030:36:08

deserves more credit?

He would be

the first to say... We spoke about

0:36:080:36:13

it after the game yesterday, there

were people talking, you have got up

0:36:130:36:22

to seventh, that is OK now, as long

as the seventh after 38 games, he

0:36:220:36:27

said. He is very good at keeping

things under wraps a little bit. The

0:36:270:36:32

reason I say that is the Marco Silva

stuff, you can do well over a short

0:36:320:36:37

period but ultimately the season is

judged and 38 games.

His personal

0:36:370:36:47

experience must have played a bit,

he finished seventh for Southampton,

0:36:470:36:51

got to the cup final, should have

won, he ended up leaving the club.

0:36:510:36:56

I'm sure he is aware not to be

carried away and just to be

0:36:560:36:59

understated.

It is almost like they punished him

0:36:590:37:03

for what happens to lots of

mid-table clubs, the season starts

0:37:030:37:06

with nothing you can go fall under

peters out a little.

Riyad Mahrez,

0:37:060:37:14

lots of speculation. If Michael

Appleton is putting his mortgage on

0:37:140:37:17

the line, will he be there in

February?

I would not gamble my

0:37:170:37:22

mortgage on anything! I expect him

to be.

You can see why everyone

0:37:220:37:27

wants him.

The boss has said he will

be here on the 1st of February, that

0:37:270:37:32

is good enough for me. He is in a

really good place, fantastic form.

0:37:320:37:36

He is in a dressing room, a

fantastic dressing room with really

0:37:360:37:43

good lads, he is a big part of it.

0:37:430:37:45

Emotional scenes across

the Premier League but particularly

0:37:450:37:48

at Goodison Park where

Cyrille Regis' former club West Brom

0:37:480:37:50

played Everton, less than a week

after he passed away.

0:37:500:37:56

Joleon, a Midlands lad, a black

Midlands lad growing up, poignant?

0:37:570:38:02

Absolutely, I think Cyrille was my

kind of footballer. Being from

0:38:020:38:08

Birmingham, everyone was aware of

how important he was to the city, it

0:38:080:38:10

was a shame to see him go. I know

him personally. I worked for Jason,

0:38:100:38:16

his nephew. He could not talk any

more highly Cyrille.

He was a

0:38:160:38:23

pioneer for black players in the

Premier League, not particularly of

0:38:230:38:27

your era but more like Jason's era?

He broke barriers, made lots of

0:38:270:38:33

differences for black players coming

through after him. Not only that, he

0:38:330:38:39

was a top player, he did not just

play in an era where black players

0:38:390:38:42

were not allowed to play, he played

at the highest level under severe

0:38:420:38:47

circumstances. Let's remember his

impact on the pitch. Double out --

0:38:470:38:55

he was slightly before my era when I

started watching football, but even

0:38:550:39:00

watching Match of the Day last

night, some of the footage shown, he

0:39:000:39:04

was ahead of his time in the force

of his play and the movement, the

0:39:040:39:10

range of it as well.

James McCarthy has been struggling

0:39:100:39:15

with injuries and has come back, a

double fracture, it was horrible.

0:39:150:39:22

Freak but horrible?

I feel for

James, he has been injured for so

0:39:220:39:25

long already this season. For

something like that to happen, you

0:39:250:39:31

do not wish that on any player. I

have been injured myself, it cost me

0:39:310:39:35

my career back in the day. Rondon, I

felt Rondon. He was in bits, it was

0:39:350:39:42

completely accidental. -- I felt for

Rondon. The little bit I know about

0:39:420:39:48

James, he is mentally strong and he

will need to be. It is a fantastic

0:39:480:39:53

football club with good people and I

am sure they will get him back and

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playing very soon.

Such a pity, it is the first time he

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has played five consecutive games

for Everton in two or three years.

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It has been such a struggling time

for him. But as well as that, one of

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the big criticisms of his career is

that maybe given his talent he does

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not impose himself on games, but he

seemed to be doing that through

0:40:190:40:23

Allardyce.

He came on and Allardyce

picked him out, said that is what we

0:40:230:40:27

want people to do.

We have four

Micro or five minutes left. I want

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to talk about the 4pm kick-off,

Southampton against Tottenham. We

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will keep you updated on 5 live.

0:40:360:40:44

Spurs fight Real over world-record

bid for Harry Kane. We have heard a

0:40:440:40:48

lot of this over last few months.

The Spanish club ready to offer £200

0:40:480:40:53

million, a new Kane deal key,

Pochettino could be a target for

0:40:530:40:59

Euro giants, what is your take on

the Kane story?

Spurs have been

0:40:590:41:04

quick to deny they have received

interest. I think there is no doubt

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by Real Madrid have looked at him.

Real Madrid have an issue, their

0:41:080:41:14

main stars are getting... We have

seen the Ronaldo speculation, they

0:41:140:41:18

are getting to the tail end of their

careers. Peres, they have had a bad

0:41:180:41:24

season in terms of results, even

though they won the Champions League

0:41:240:41:27

last year. That has brought Zidane

under pressure, which has brought

0:41:270:41:35

the president under pressure. They

had another issue, because of all

0:41:350:41:39

these players like Reynaldo and

Benzema on such high wages, this is

0:41:390:41:44

the case of both of the Spanish

clubs, Real and Barcelona, their

0:41:440:41:50

cash flow is not as strong as

England or PSG. I wonder if they

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would be able to raise the fees to

extract a player like Kane from

0:41:540:41:59

Spurs, to make the sort of fee that

would be considered.

I do not

0:41:590:42:03

believe it is due to the figure, Dan

Leavy is not selling Harry Kane 200

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million, it will be a lot more than

anyone has ever been sold for in the

0:42:080:42:12

past. I feel Real Madrid potentially

need to reinvest in younger players.

0:42:120:42:17

To get Harry Kane will cost a lot

more.

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With Real

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more.

With Real, they have changed

0:42:210:42:24

strategy. The whole Galacticos thing

for a few years, but because of that

0:42:240:42:29

and be influx of money from

broadcasting in England and what has

0:42:290:42:32

happened PSG, this changed strategy

to sign a next generation of

0:42:320:42:38

players, the best at 20 to

24-year-olds, like Asensio. Kane is

0:42:380:42:42

coming out of that age bracket.

John Smith onto it says why would

0:42:420:42:49

Harry Kane stay if a big club

called? Mike Dean says buying his

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boots only for that price. Ten games

without a win for Southampton -- ten

0:42:520:42:58

games without a win. They are in the

bottom three, worrying for them and

0:42:580:43:03

Pellegrino?

It is a tough time, no

doubt. Last week at Watford, two up

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at half-time, you would probably

expect them to win the game. It did

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not happen for them. A big game

today, I would imagine that

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certainly team they will have to get

after Tottenham. There is no point

0:43:230:43:25

sitting back and trying to let them

dictate the game.

0:43:250:43:27

Given what happened over Christmas,

you would expect Southampton to set

0:43:270:43:33

back a bit, but if Spurs win

today...

That says it all.

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Thanks to Joleon,

Michael and Miguel.

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That is it for now.

0:43:430:43:45

Highlights of Southampton v Spurs

on Match of the Day 2 tonight -

0:43:450:43:48

Mark Chapman's at St Mary's.

0:43:480:43:54

Whatever you are doing on the rest

of this Sunday afternoon, thank you

0:43:540:43:57

for joining us and have a good one.

See you soon.

0:43:570:44:04

Mark Chapman and guests analyse the talking points from Saturday's Premier League games and look ahead to Sunday's fixture between Southampton and Tottenham Hotspur.


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