25/09/2016 MOTD2 Extra

BBC Two. Good afternoon and welcome to MOTD two Extra. We have our

guests with us today. As always we need you to get in touch. You can

text us and use our hashed out. Here's what's coming up on the

programme. Jose Mourinho drops Rooney as Manchester United score

four. Arsenal win against Chelsea. Liverpool produce a 5-star

performance to sweep aside Hull City and West Ham will look for an upturn

in fortunes in their match against Southampton today. Here is what is

making the back pages today. The Mail on Sunday asks is this the end

for Rooney? This is something we will talk about. The Sunday

Telegraph, Arsenal are gifting their manager happy anniversary, it was

his biggest victory over The Blues. And Stoke are eyeing up Steve Bruce

as a possible replacement. We will start at Old Trafford where the big

team News centred around Wayne Rooney. Jose Mourinho saw his side

put for past Leicester, the second time in two years he United have

scored four goals in a league game. And perfect to have an Einstein

alongside us, Oliver Holt. What did Manchester United look like without

Wayne Rooney? And did they do what the fans have been asking for? If I

am an Einstein, there are hundreds and thousands of Einstein 's out

there because I think a lot of people have been saying for much of

this season that they are concerned about Wayne Rooney's form and his

place in the team. I am a huge fan of his. And always will be. I think

he is a fantastic player, but I think yesterday wasn't a great day

for him. He was dropped and Manchester United played extremely

well, and they looked more fluid, they looked... There was more pace

in the side, it looked more comfortable going forward. Pogba and

Herrera looked good. It isn't all because Rooney wasn't playing but

the balance of the team looked good. So, sometimes, as the boys will

know, sometimes there are good days to be left out of a side but

yesterday wasn't a good day. What is that like? When you are dropped, how

do you react to it? You've had it as a player and from the manager's

point of view, having that conversation, and how you thought

Rooney reacted to that? He would have called him in, so you have to

be careful what you say because it is Wayne Rooney. Players do have big

egos and they don't like being left out. He would have wanted to play

yesterday said he would have said I'm changing the shape of the team,

I'm playing one sitting midfield player, a bit of pace out wide, so

I'm going to leave you out but, don't worry. It is just for the game

today. Wayne Rooney would've said to him probably back, why can't I play

in one of those positions? And he would have tried to explain it to

him the best he can and then you've got to try to keep Wayne Rooney

onside somehow which is difficult if he isn't playing. And we talk about

United fans, they are saying, we dropped Wayne Rooney, we won 4-1.

They played that formation in Rotterdam where Rooney didn't even

travel, and they played Pogba and Herrera, giving the freedom to Mata

and they were dreadful that night. Sometimes there was a good day to be

left out and sometimes it isn't. That is spot on with that analogy

because you look at Wayne Rooney, he would be extremely hurt, and he

won't like it. No player likes it. He has had very few times through

his career. The point with United yesterday, they had a point to prove

to themselves as a squad of players, they had a point to prove to the

supporters because they've been questioned all week. They are

reading the newspapers, watching TV, they're seeing the reports about the

squad, the demise of the squad, and they've got a point to prove.

Yesterday was about a response from the team and the way they started

the match, they started it in the right manner as they went right at

Leicester. You almost saw a side... A United team looking like they were

capable of scoring two or three goals in a game and we haven't seen

that so often over the last two or three years. We haven't seen a lot

of them where they've blown the team away, and they did it. And it is

interesting how people reacted, going forward, especially Wayne

Rooney and the players around him. Some players might think, hold on,

maybe it is better to have him on the bench for the first hour. Look

what we've done. In the media in particular we are very good at

jumping to big conclusions of one event. I think long-term for Rooney,

it does not particularly great at United because I think that one of

the things that is clear is that Ibrahimovic is the focus of the

attack, people fit around him. For a season. For at least a season, who

knows. Jose Mourinho said that Rooney wasn't playing because he

needed quick players around Ibrahimovic. Yesterday was a

difficult game, he said, which they had to win because they'd had three

defeats before that. He's saying in the biggest game, Rooney isn't my

man, he isn't in my first 11. And as we all know, injuries occur, who

knows what's going to happen, Ibrahimovic might get injured,

Rashford might get injured, but I don't think Rooney is in his

starting XI. A lot of fans would agree with that at the moment. Do

you think is just discovered that or was he thinking that at the

beginning and this is part of the tactics to prove it to everyone? I

think that is a slight sense yesterday of Mourinho reasserting

himself as a manager and people might laugh at that, and say he's

never exactly been a shrinking violet. We have compared a lot this

season, a lot of focus on managers. Jurgen Klopp and Guardiola made a

huge impression on everybody with some of the decisions they've made.

There's been a sly sense that Mourinho has been compromising.

Yesterday, it felt like he stamped his authority. Does it not still

paper over a bit of a crack or Grand Canyon? You mentioned Jurgen Klopp

and Guardiola, what is happening with those guys and what Mourinho is

still trying to do, which some say is still out of date. Mourinho's

form and it is the one he's used all career, is the one he had at

Chelsea. You think back MOTD two Extra -- Makalele forward, and then

others flitting around him. Jose Mourinho, he has a form which gets

him success year after year and he goes back to it when he needed. He

went back to it yesterday but Leicester helped him. Don't read

into the football too much because Leicester have descended three set

play is terrible. Quickly on Leicester, worries creeping in for

them. They said they might finish in the bottom ten and people laugh...

You can't rule it out with them. If they get a top ten finish, it'll be

a relative success. As bad as it sounds considering their champions,

yesterday we saw their vulnerabilities. Let's talk about

Arsenal because Arsenal handed Arsene Wenger and early 20th

anniversary present by sweeping aside Chelsea in that North London

derby. Let's hear from him. An outstanding team performance.

We played with team spirit, collective pace, and always in a

positive way, in a committed way, in a team way. And especially with our

first half, it was absolutely outstanding. It is the key word

there from Arsene Wenger, committed. Yes, I think we saw yesterday from

Arsenal we saw a team the likes of Jurgen Klopp and Guardiola, the real

pressure without the ball, they were winning the ball is back, and that

is what we saw from them and we haven't seen that enough from them

consistently. You couldn't fault their display. Up front, Alexis

Sanchez, I think he has struggled in the middle but yesterday he was

outstanding. He was brilliant in the middle, and Walcott out wide, and we

are seeing him looking like, wow. Where has this player been? We

haven't seen them consistently enough but now he's creating and

scoring goals, he looks a revelation playing that side. We talked about a

Mourinho style of football out of date but what about the old striker,

the old number nine? You are out of date. For a player like Sanchez,

it's difficult. You have to accept you are not in the build-up. You

have to be in the six yard line. With all these moves they played

yesterday, popping the wide touch, if you're not in the six yard box

when you should be, they will leave you out but the problem is you can't

be involved in the build-up on the halfway line because if you get

involved too much and the ball eventually gets inside their

full-back, where is your centre forward? He was dropping far too

deep, getting himself into the build-up. Wayne Rooney also does

that. Ian Rush was quite happy just to linger on the last man and not be

involved and scored two, walk off, happy today. Players like Sanchez,

he finds it difficult to stay out of the build-up. That seems to be the

future now, you don't need a recognised striker on the pitch. I

can't see that being... Catch on long-term. Someone who's going to

finish off moves, sometimes they might not be involved but I can't

see that. It isn't a modern thinking... It isn't a modern way of

thinking. It won't happen long-term. It won't take. It does seem a better

fit Arsenal. It feels something clicked there. It wasn't quite

happening... Joe Root is a fine player. There will be when he will

be used, but they weren't getting it done. They weren't going to mount a

credible title challenge with Giroud as their centre forward. Let me

throw this one as well. 47 goals, Sanchez has scored, in 100 games.

Some of them playing on the left, some of on the right, some of them

in the central position. Thierry Henry scored 48 goals 100 games.

Arsenal are brilliant with the ball. They're as good as they were ever.

But without the ball they are not as good as Manchester City. Teams that

win the league are very good without the ball. Until Arsenal get the ball

back better they are not a machine. You can beat them. And that is why

they have dodgy results now and again. Look at Arsenal's second

goal, it is a thing of wonder. And Walcott finished it off. I can't

even believe I'm being asked to ask the title question it's so boring.

When they play like that, it is beautiful to watch. Let's ask it

like this. Sanchez through the middle playing like that and using

Giroud as back-up on the bench, are they more title winners with him in

that position than with Giroud? I think so. We knew they weren't going

to be title winners with Giroud. It isn't all Giroud's called. It isn't

necessary about Giroud, it is about other things defensively and their

work without the ball. But I think Giroud missed too many chances, they

were too predictable with Giroud. I think Sanchez is a top quality

player and if they can get the best out of him as a centre forward, it

looks as though they've brought other players in, gave other players

confidence... They've got the players, going forward. Before we

move on to Chelsea, explain to an idiot like me what the main

differences between what Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp are doing and what

Arsene Wenger is doing. Jurgen Klopp will say in training sessions, when

we lose the ball, you've got five seconds to get it back. The nearest

man gets to the ball and back him up, the rest of him. If they win the

ball back in the position's half, their back for my car out of shape,

so they are attacking against two defenders, and they are good at it.

One player can mess that up for you. A la telly will mess that up for

you. Brendan Rodgers try to do that with banner telly. Jurgen Klopp will

put a team together with energy and they'll get the ball back as soon as

they lose it. Liverpool, we will talk about them later. Let's hear

from. Not a very happy Italian. We must reflect a lot after this

performance because I think that from the first minute we have had a

bad attitude. And, yes, I think that... It's important to understand

that we must work a lot to improve. Because now I think we are a good

team on paper, not on the pitch. We must show we are a good team on the

pitch. A pretty extraordinary interview,

very honest. Steve Wilson ask the question and he looked like he was

about to cry! He talks about the attitude, players being great on

paper and not performing. Does he need a new sheet of paper or pad? Is

either man to bring the attitude out of those guys? I think he is. Maybe

not out of those guys, but he needs some guys he can get that attitude

from. I saw them when they were outclassed by Liverpool recently and

he said similar things afterwards. I thought he was impressive after the

Liverpool game. He said, this is a team that finished tenth last

season. There are problems here. Those problems would just disappear.

There are issues in that side. You can see there are still issues in

that side. One of the big issues is that when John Terry, who is 35,

isn't in the team, they fall apart. That's pretty dispiriting issue

Chelsea. We talk about Antonio Conte and Italian defending, what he built

at Juventus, solid bricks stuck in with cement. He has a 35-year old

who can be fit for so many games. David Luiz or not? It's not a solid

back four. He doesn't look a con tape player, he doesn't look the

right fit. Cahill has been caught out a few times. Aside from his

mistake yesterday, he was poor. Ivanovic looks poor, he's looking

his age. Kante looked leggy. The first time I've ever seen him

jogging back. It was Alexis... Mesut Ozil's goal yesterday, Ivanovic Gog

-- jogging back into position. He can do it, Ivanovic. He was chasing

Alex Iwobi and he was too quick for him, he can do it, but he stopped,

it's a mentality thing. The reason the manager can't speak is because

that team he set up at Juventus, nobody cares his teams apart like

that. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes to a back three. Which he did

at Juventus. With David Luiz in the back three. He's not a very good

defender. That would be better for him in a three? No, you either see

danger or you don't. You could play him in midfield as well. If you

don't see danger as a defender, you don't see danger. If you put him in

midfield, you won't see danger. Gord McAleny could see danger. He reacts

after it happens. That would be a huge worry as a Chelsea fan or

anyone associated with the club. John Terry, fantastic organisation

when he's in the team. Kurt Zouma, we still don't really know what kind

of player he'll be and he's had an horrific injury. Cahill was unlucky

for the Swansea mistake, potentially a foul, but yesterday was completely

his fault. Defensively, that is what con tape is all about? It's a huge

worry. Can pay has been brought in to try and sure some of that up and

be a shield. It doesn't seem to be working for him at the moment.

Leicester are missing him very badly. He doesn't seem to be filling

the space at Chelsea he's been brought to fill. I think there are

huge worries for Chelsea. I also think the way Arsenal played

yesterday, one last thing about United, back to this theme... The

way Arsenal played yesterday, the way we've seen Man City play,

sometimes when you look at United, even when United played well

yesterday, there's something slightly old-fashioned. It's

interesting how the zeitgeist has passed Mourinho by a little bit. We

now watch Guardiola and Klopp. Lee on Facebook says Chelsea need a

massive clear out. It's a poisonous dressing room. Once Conte gets his

players in, we can move on. Another comet, saying Arsenal destroyed

Chelsea yesterday. They are unstoppable when they play like

that. Very quickly, Kevin, are Chelsea, have they even improved on

the catastrophe of last season? Judging from yesterday, probably

not. Defensively they had problems last year considering how well they

had won the league last year. -- the season before. Last year they were

so poor defensively. If they improve defensively, they can score goals.

Cost played well yesterday, but the defence is the worry. You can get in

touch with us. Let's talk about Liverpool. They turned on the style

yesterday for Jurgen Klopp. Adam Lallana scored one and set up two.

Adam is a good footballer, really good footballer. Something like a

finisher. First of all, a pressing player. I have a lot of this kind of

pressing player because he loves to do it. He doesn't do it because I

say to do it, he does it because he loves it. He keeps all the boys with

him. If he's running, we have to follow him. That's good. Hopefully

we can do this more often. Adam Lallana, who Klopp was praising, is

he a microcosm of what Klopp has achieved in such a short space of

time with a bunch of players who, take away the near miss of the title

under Brendan Rodgers, weren't really going in that direction? I

think years. What Klopp is saying, you can see that when you watch

Liverpool, you can see Lallana leading the high press. He's the one

with the energy. It's great to see with Lallana because he is a good

footballer, he's a wee 's been a good footballer, but there

was a period where he seemed to be standing still a little bit. -- he's

always been. With Klopp, he's kicked on and become one of the leaders of

the side. You can see the energy flowing through the team. Coutinho

can produce some moments like he produced yesterday. Things are

looking very good. Dan says I think Liverpool's attack is the strongest

in the league with maybe the exception of Manchester City. The

only difference is defence. As a Liverpool fan, I'd be happy with top

four. David says I think Liverpool will be done in January, you can't

play constant pressing in the Premier League. He says I think

Klopp is building something very special as Liverpool, the most

likeable manager in the Premier League. Here's a question for you.

If Klopp and Guardiola had exactly the same team of players, identical

players, same team, same stadium, same everything, who would finish

higher? I don't know. Dortmund, he had the lesser players. Perhaps here

with City... There could be an argument for Klopp. Hypothetical

question. I take your point. You can't help but admire Jurgen Klopp,

the way he goes about it. Can Liverpool sustain a title challenge

with how open they are defensively? I think Klopp almost accepts they

will concede goals. The intensity as well. They've got good players, he

gets them to work hard and get the ball back high up the pitch. If you

break Liverpool's press, you can get at the back four. Teams get at the

back four and sometimes they concede. If a team goes at them and

tries to score and the back four don't concede the chance, they've

got six players high up the pitch who are pressing. When they win it

back, that's why all these players are scoring goals. I've talked to

you about this, Kevin. Is it not going back to the Kevin Kear --

Kevin Keegan Iraq? You can score three, but we'll score four fight.

-- era. There is a science. Dean is talking about the press. They access

they will give the ball away. Turnovers happen regularly. You

watch the Tottenham draw a few weeks ago and so many balls given away in

midfield. That's when you come to life, when you give the ball away.

He talks about Adam Lallana, he's playing deeper and looks better, as

soon is he gives the ball the way or the team does, he's the first to

react. The midfield is behind him, Milner and Henderson. Milner looks

great at left back. You look at the players, what they do and how they

do it, there's more of a science than just saying we will outscore

you. When you get to Bayern Munich and rail Madrid, the manager has to

say, hang on, we can't press these. -- Real Madrid. When you press, good

players get out of it. Against the top teams, you need a bit of both. A

positive thing for Liverpool is we talk about Spurs being a young team,

we'll talk more about them later, but this is a really young Liverpool

team who will only improve if Klopp sticks around. Yeah, absolutely.

It's a team that will grow. You say if Klopp sticks around, clearly

that's key, but he seems to be the kind of guy who is in there for the

long term. He's interested in building something. That is one of

the things that's so encouraging for Liverpool. On Hull, has that

contract been screwed up for Mike Phelan after that? Not necessarily.

He is working under difficult conditions. Liverpool can do that

any side. Put that game aside and move forward, I'd like to see him

given the contract. Manchester City maintained their 100% start to the

season under Pep Guardiola with the 3-1 win against Swansea. Let's hear

from the Swansea boss, Francesco Guidolin. Yes, but disappointed

because I watched the television. This is not important. The most

important thing is my team have played a good game. If in the future

we play in this way, the future is good for us, it's in our hands. You

caused them problems. Just before Llorente's goal, the keeper saves.

You caused them many problems. I know. Today we played the best game

in our season. I am confident for the future. That's Francesco

Guidolin. Dean Saunders, a Swansea boy, your old team, Swansea fans

will be listening to your every word. Talking about the future, is

it optimistic? Will there be a future for him? They played well,

they looked like they were playing for him yesterday. Before the game I

looked at the fixtures coming up, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool,

Watford, who are hard to beat at the minute, not been playing that well,

lost Bony, not replaced him. Every Swansea fan will be worried.

Unfortunately, when things are not going well, Aguero is fit! He was

brilliant yesterday. They actually played OK, they had a chance to make

it 2-1 and missed. Eventually class told. Ashley Williams missing from

the back four, the two centre backs are all over the place every week.

If you watch the goal, the two centre backs are normally at fault.

Would changing it now. The B of interest? They've talked about Ryan

Giggs. That performance yesterday, do they need to change things

drastically? You're talking about players, there's nothing you can do

about that between now and January, but the manager? Unless Man City

were terrible yesterday, they would win. To talk about Ryan Giggs taking

the job while the man is in the job at the minute is disrespectful. From

everybody. It happens, it's football. Ryan Giggs has had to come

out and say I've not had any contact with the club and I've not been

approached. I want to be a manager, but I'm not prepared to say anything

about a job when a manager is still in the job. If they sacked him,

approach Ryan Giggs. I'm sure you had to Wikipedia Guidolin. It would

all ways be a risk giving him the job losses in. He kept them up,

there was a good feeling, Brendan Rodgers was linked with the job but

didn't come back. Would Ryan Giggs be an even bigger risk at this

stage? In some ways he would because he's untested, untested as a

manager. The experience he's had under Sir Alex Ferguson and working

with van Gaal come he's learned pretty well. Everything I hear about

him, Dean would know better than me, but everything I hear about Giggs in

terms of personality suggests he will be a good manager. He's got the

coldness and the distance that managers need in the dressing room.

When I played with him, he spoke up. Tim Sherwood spoke up at Aston

Villa... Watch what you wish for. If Tim Sherwood was still manager, they

might not be in the mess they are in. You think somebody like Giggs

would come in and there would be instant impact? They're still a long

way in the season to go. Six games in. Give the man a chance. The only

thing that worried me a bit was I had Neil Taylor playing for me at

Wrexham who was the under ten plume at coach as well. He's a nice lad.

He's arguing with him on the bench when he brought him. I thought all

was not well in the cab. If he is arguing, something wrong.

Let's talk about Tottenham. I was at the Riverside yesterday to see them

win 2-1 at Middlesbrough. It is their best start to a season in 51

years. Can they sustain that title challenge? I could ask you, being at

the game! I saw them against Everton first game of the season and I

thought they were quite sluggish. A little bit slow off the mark.

Considering the intensity they're showing, it is taking them a few

weeks to get them going. I felt with the players they have, I thought

they were going to kick on from last season, not to win the league, maybe

but maybe top four this year. It is just about can they get and keep

Harry Kane fit, can the gets Janssen scoring goals because he hasn't

looked the sort of player to replace Harry Kane. That might be their

issue. The two goals they scored yesterday, what a goal and when you

have players like that that can change games like that, they've got

a chance. They were great goals from Son but handed on a silver platter,

huge defensive questions if you're a Middlesbrough fan. On top and, sorry

to go back to this, and Dean, maybe you can enlighten us, talking about

the Jurgen Klopp and Guardiola style of football, and Arsene Wenger we've

put to bed as well, what about Tottenham? They seemed to be high

press, are they trying to do the same things as Guardiola? They are

trying to do the same kind of thing, high press and get the ball back.

But Manchester City have got better players. Really. There aren't many

top players that would get into the Manchester City team. When you look

across the bench, they have another team on the bench they could put out

there. The secret of football is getting good players to work hard.

Use a good players, with Harry Kane out of the team, I think Mauricio

Pochettino said he would have to have a second scan on the ankle, so

Janssen comes in, 17 million pounds signing, and he seems to be the

old-fashioned target man number dying, that's going to be the target

for Spurs. Just get the points in the bag until Harry Kane is back and

fit. Thierry Henry, it took him one year. It took Pero Swanny. Great

players. To come into the Premier League, it is totally different

football. I played abroad in two different countries. You get one

tough game, one not so tough, four easy games. One tough game... So the

season pans out. These players sometimes find it difficult because

you look at Bournemouth yesterday against Everton, there is no easy

points in this league and it is like that every week and they find it

difficult. Whether or not he will adapt, we will see. Tottenham have

the youngest average age in the league, Ollie, and lots of new

contracts being signed for these players. Forget Janssen, you need

six Sons on the pitch! Signing these players down, that's what they need

to do. Every time I open the newspaper, there's a picture of

Mauricio Pochettino with a pen in his hand. It is important for Spurs.

We've seen so many times in the past they have had these false dawns,

terrific players who have been snapped up by so-called bigger

clubs. Normally, Manchester United, in Spurs' case. If they can put a

stop to that cycle where their best players leave, and where their

manager leaves, successful manager, that is going to be huge for them.

And I hope they do it, I hope they keep going that way. I wondered if

they were going to have a sluggish season because they committed so

much effort to the title chase last season but I think it seems they are

starting to motor again. Do you think they lost their nerve or ran

out of legs? I think they ran out of legs. I thought they looked tired

first game of the season. Remarkable is that sounds, the training they

would have done, that high-intensity, I think they looked

knackered at the start of the season. All of a sudden, they have

had that behind them, they have had an international break, and I think

they will get better and better but can they sustain that challenge

training is way they do? That is the one thing about Liverpool as well.

It is difficult to believe it now but Leicester didn't break, either.

They didn't do it. Keep your thoughts coming in. Just on Spurs,

Richard says Son is on fire. I left on the bench today for my fantasy

football team and I am gutted. Poor you. Come back of the day was that

the Stadium Of Light, wasn't it? What a performance, Crystal Palace

made it three wins in a low by turning around a 2-goal deficit and

Sunderland drop to the bottom of the table. 2012 was last time the won a

Premier League game in either August or September. Let's hear from the

Sunderland manager, David Moyes. The players have to do their bit. I'm

not too sure that they did today. And they need to stand up and take

responsibility. The manager always does. I have been here a couple of

times. What I'll say is that the club has been in this situation many

times, many managers have spoken the same way as me. That is part of it.

The supporters and fortunately I used to it but it is disappointing

to be 2-0 up. I know who is going to criticise David Moyes, this man,

Kevin Kilbane. Let me put the counter attack. Beyonce was their

best player! Two games in the season, he says expect another

relegation battle. He was saying there's something not right at this

football club, I can't work it out. He is saying the players have to

take responsibility. Six games in, isn't it more worrying you are 2-0

up and you lose 3-2? Definitely. You lose a game from the position

Sunderland were in, you see it through. You don't want to concede

the first goal but as soon as Crystal Palace got the first goal,

the momentum was with them. Worryingly, the set piece goal.

David Moyes works on the set pieces. He works on the minor things. The

goal they scored was as bad as it's going to be. There was no one near

him. Eight players in the six yard box, no one is prepared to go out?

It isn't a hard cross. They are the sort of things that would be on the

front of his mind. Also, even to someone like me, if you're paying

attention to anyone, it is Benteke. He has gone one, two, three. He can

leap above everybody. The left-back isn't brave enough, not for me, he

has to do better. Putting my manager's head-on, I've been where

David Moyes has been. He's come straight out of the dressing room,

and he's absolutely raging because they've given the lead up, and he's

come straight on camera and you can tell by the things he said. Must do

that every week! It's there underneath, you have to calm

yourself down. He's probably had a go at a few of them. It is a proper

argument in there. And he's walked in front of the camera. The second

game of this season where he said we are in a relegation battle, I've

been there as well because he hasn't signed the players he has wanted. In

between the two games, he's sitting there, thinking, I don't have the

tools to do the job and that is why he is looking frustrated. You must

have extra dosages of vitamins C if you are a Sunderland fan. Five

consecutive relegation battles. More than that, if you think about it!

Ever since they finished tenth and the Steve Bruce, interestingly out

of work at the moment. How do you keep going? For David Moyes, after

what happened Sociedad and Manchester United, almost rather

than negativity, this is his last chance in the Premier League because

who would touch him otherwise? There is an element, that is true, you

keep doing the same things and expect to get different results.

There hasn't been a lot of investment. Same managers...

Different managers get the same result and people are surprised. It

isn't his fault, to be honest. Sam Allardyce was very disappointed

about the lack of investment that he had been promised. David Moyes

hasn't had a lot of investment. If you don't get investment in the

club, the results would come, brutally. You look at the amounts of

money Sunderland can spend and they're trying to compete with Stoke

City, West Brom. They are spending above and beyond what Sunderland are

spending. Quickest way to a heart attack, manage a club with no money.

Well let's talk about West Ham versus Southampton. We have coverage

of that on Five Live. Problems and and off the pitch for West Ham, both

need addressing quickly. It surprises me, I must say, that we

are at the stage where we are six games into the season and we are

talking about issues at West Ham at that stage where we have been

hearing about for years that West Ham have got issues. There is still

a system in place where the police can't use their radio said police

can't be in the stadium, how does that work? These things should have

been ready for the start of the season. And, frankly, and I know it

isn't all therefore, it is part of the issue that they don't own the

stadiums are the stadium is run by someone else, they're trying to bang

heads together but it should have been sorted. It is irresponsible

that we've got a situation where big teams are going to start coming,

like Chelsea, and there is a situation in a stadium where the

police can't be in bed because radios don't working there. It is

kind of amateur night, to be honest. There are problems with segregation.

All these things, all the issues they are having really, really basic

issues which should have been sorted. What about on the pitch? The

way they are defending at the minute, put four steward in the back

because they can't stop the ball going in the net! You can come

again, Dean Saunders! On the pitch, West Ham, there's never been a team

that has had a smooth transition of the pitch when they moved to a new

stadium. It must be frustrating after a positive year last year.

Playing at Upton Park, that intensity and atmosphere, it was a

cauldron. They haven't found the atmosphere yet. When it comes with

the quality they've got on the pitch, you'd think they could make

something of it but at the moment there isn't that atmosphere. Payet,

they are relying on him. They are not scoring goals. Defensively, we

spoke about so often with the team they are not at it at all. And you

see it in the matches. That's it. Southampton as well? They are

improving, getting better and better. They had a good win in

Europe, so I think they will be fine. So, West Ham against

Southampton, 4pm it kicks off. That is on Five Live for you. My thanks

to Kevin, Dean and Ollie. Thanks for joining us. Match of the Day 2 is on

BBC One at 10pm. And we will have Burnley against Watford for you on

Five Live. Whatever you are doing this Sunday, have a good one.