27/11/2016 MOTD2 Extra

Hello and welcome to Match Of The Day 2 Extra on BBC Two,

Joining me today are Martin Keown, Guy Mowbray and Henry Winter.

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Over the next 45 minutes we discuss a first win for Bob Bradley at

Chelsea stay top of the Premier League

and heap more misery on a bad week for Spurs.

Fourth place Arsenal will hope to keep pace with the leaders today

when they face Bournemouth and we'll have updates from Vicarage Road

the game kicked off at midday, it's goalless. These are the back pages.

And the murder, on the David Manchester United meet West Ham,

suggesting that Jose Mourinho once Dmitri Payet. We start of the

Liberty Stadium, 24 hours ago, we might not have imagined we'd be

doing. Swansea against Crystal Palace, 5-4. Martin, I know you are

keeping an eye on this, for all it's a remarkable game, the defending was

appalling. It's one of those situations you see central defenders

go to the opposition, talking about Tompkinson winning every header. But

in the own box they couldn't win the balls and I don't know if that's

down to desire. When you score as a central defender, do your job first.

The way the game went, 3-1 up, Swansea, they started to panic,

clearing balls for fun and it ebbed and flowed. You could see both

managers what it meant. Pardew is hanging perilously in his job

because of that result. We will come to him in a moment but let's start

with the positives, Swansea, let's hear from Bob Bradley. I can say it

enough, it's a great bunch of guys, unbelievable club, I have loved

every second of being here and I know when things are going in the

wrong direction, it takes sometimes, real determination and courage. You

can only repeat that message so many times, the words get old. Today I

don't need to say much and I can let them feel good about it, they get an

extra day off and we go back to work knowing we still have a long way to

go. He spoke to me on five live sport yesterday and he said he wants

to celebrate and at the same time kill some of his players after that

performance! I liked his line, I may be stupid but I'm stubborn! That was

it. I think we talk about Alan Pardew in a moment, the fact he

might be under pressure. I noticed yesterday Bob Bradley before the

game was the favourite with the bookies to lose his job. He's only

been here five minutes, give him a chance to have a go with the players

he inherited. They got going into real circumstances, I watched the

highlights, I can echo what Martin said about the defending. One of

those games, a freak. It's the kind of result that you could use to

springboard your season, really, given they had to come back and the

nature of that. If it had been 1-0 Swansea would it have felt like such

a momentous victory? Bubbly not. He's an interesting character, I

think there is a cultural snobbery towards American coaches in this

country. I bumped into him 5-6 years ago and I said you interested in

coming over to the Premier League and he said it's difficult, there is

a cultural snobbery and Bruce Arena, one of the great coaches, said that

as well. Remove the accident from Bob Bradley, he's not that different

from other managers in pressurised situations. Just in general? From

media, the fans? They say soccer, they said defence, things like that

but there is a pretty experienced coach there. Does he deserve a job

in the Premier League? That's a different argument. Its results,

look at what he's achieved, you question is he the right man? Even

after 3- war games? He's conceded against Man United. No character

from his players, they lost a last-minute equaliser against

Everton. Knocked the stuffing out of them. There is character there.

Scratching the surface, yesterday, no doubt, the crowd played its part.

As a player, when you leave the pitch, it feels like a double win,

like it on you together and suddenly everything the manager says makes

sense and it might just be the catalyst that fishes them because

they've come off the foot of the table. Henry is spot on. I can say

that, I am guilty. When we heard Bob Bradley speak, we smiled instantly,

we hear an American talk about our sport but he's been around at all

his life, knows what he is doing. For example, we get coaches who

don't speak and dish as their first language, we don't mock them,

because of the different terminology. We should give him

credit. Also some of the said defence, depending what shall we are

presenting! As far as Crystal Palace are concerned, twice every year we

have a discussion about whether Alan Pardew might lose his job and that's

not just a Crystal Palace, also when he was at Newcastle. Mainly because

his teams go in really streaky runs, either they win a load on the trot

or they lose, never seems to be a great deal of in between. I look at

the team and I wonder about the leaders. I thought he was one of

those individuals who would rally them, would talk, which showed grit

and determination, Delaney as well. There is a debate on the fan forum

about whether he should come back in, because he's a gritty defender

who will talk to them and I don't know whether it's a quiet team, you

would have to be in the dressing room to know, but they seem to be

lacking leadership and that's not purely Pardew. You are not sure

which one of the players he believes in. Every player at some point has

been axed. Jason Puncheon last year, a shocking decision. Lassie is gone.

Who does he believe in? You have to identify players. -- Bolasie. It

goes up and down remarkably, Pardew is not aware of it, you feel there's

an interview he wants to have when he is on a good run and I wonder if

at times it pulls the players apart. Maybe they have to learn from the

situation, I feel he has a really good set of players and he's not

getting the best from them when he has got Benteke, the players that he

wanted, that relationship between him and Steve Parish will be tested

because there is a loyalty there. To put it into context, 2013-14 at

Newcastle, he won ten of his first eight team but lost 14 out of the

last 20. He joined Crystal Palace, 110 out of 18 Premier League games

to keep them up, 15-16 nine out of 17 but just two of the remaining 21.

It's remarkable, like a goal-scoring streak. We've been talking about

leaders and big players, where is Yohan Cabaye? You should be running

that team. Alan Pardew trusts him, had him as Newcastle, brought him

back. I don't think they'll make a decision on it soon and I don't

think they should. They are a better squad than they are showing, I think

results will pick up. They are going to have to. They will. People like

Benteke's defending was called into question yesterday, didn't seem to

be up for it. Pardew, not long ago, Premier League Manager of the Year,

his peers voted him. At school from the bottom to the top, top Chelsea

and Spurs. If you had to pick one thing that impressed you most about

Antonio Conte at the start of the season, what would it be? I could

give you five. I don't want five, I want one. Half-time at the Arsenal

game, the Emirates, after Mezut Ozil scored, the way he changed it, about

ten minutes into the second half, three at the back. That changed it.

It liberated Eden Hazard, allowed Pedro and Eden Hazard to get closer

to Diego Costa. His man management work on Diego Costa has been

interesting. In the first half, he was the old school Diego Costa, bull

in a china shop and he obviously got into him at half-time. You saw the

impact. I love it the way, you go to Stamford Bridge, he energised as the

crowd with that animated behaviour. And when he comes into the press

conference, he is not rude to other managers, doesn't play the mind

games that Jose Mourinho dolls, gets animated and engaged. I feel he

doesn't get the back-up of the back four, I don't think he understands

the system well, plays with three, knows it inside out, it's a

variation of the Italian system, not quite the same. Making good use of

Pedro and Eden Hazard and yesterday, I thought Tottenham were finding a

way through that to make it difficult. The isolated David Luiz,

I didn't think anyone else had done that. A moment yesterday from

Pochettino, I thought that was helpful, to see the way there was an

issue with a challenge, he thought that Conte's staff were overreacting

and I think that's something a manager does have a say over, how

his staff react and he went and dealt with that very well. Good to

see that healthy -- healthiness between the managers. Seven wins on

the bounce, outstanding. I liken him to Jurgen Klopp. Passion and

honesty. How he is on the touchline. One of the players, Thibaut Courtois

was asked if he liked that in training, it must be exhausting? We

know he is, that's not an act, the way he is on the touchline, he was

like that with Italy and Juventus. This may sound ridiculous, I

suppose, when you talk about coaching. Not all cultures seem to

improve players, but he appears to be a coach, for all the talk of

systems and all that, he has improved players that he has under

his disposal. As Martin said, it's this system that liberated the

players as well as improve them and the liberation is seen mainly on the

right, in Victor Moses. He has just been outstanding. Whether that's

improving or actually he's taken the shackles off them and created that

platform they can express themselves. Moses knows he has to

travel with the ball as fast and quick as he can into the right-wing

berth. When he played right he wasn't quite sure of himself, now he

is certain of his role and responsibility. David Luiz is never

really exposed, I isolate him? Is its simplicity of instruction that

allows players to improve, once you get to a certain level? Do you see

what I mean? I think people underestimate the quality of a

really top manager. Good layers, top manager in tandem, you can almost

achieve anything. Clear direction, they need to know, these guys know

they are believed in by the manager and they can see on the bench. Look

over the shoulder, he is picking me about any other. Oscar and Fabregas,

not getting near the team. These eyes on the pitch are free in their

minds. Totally different players. Alan says I wish people would settle

down and stop treating Conte and Jurgen Klopp like they are the

Messiah. Gary Lineker said last night neither club has any European

football this season, huge advantage, with the money and squads

they should be in the tough four now. Federico says amazing coach,

hated him as a player but I might think he's the best around. Let's go

to the garage road. The first goal of the day has gone on. Stoke City,

unlike legal. Charlie Adam with a header from a corner, hit the inside

of the post, hit Gomez and gone in. I think that will be an own goal but

it's no more than Stoke deserve, been impressive so far, and early

shot flashed past the post, short of 25 yards, Stoke in sky blue colours,

leading by a goal. Don't get Guy started on teams wearing the

wickets. Do you want to respond? Either -- I remember at the Panini

sticker album of 1978! I must go for a pint with you sometime! As for

Antonio Conte and Jurgen Klopp, it's a valid point, they don't have

European football, should be pushing on. But you can pull the wool over

the fans eyes. This club haven't particularly taken, Benitez, taken

time to adopt, get fully behind, 1-0 up, the first chant from the Chelsea

fans, Antonio. It was Antonio Conte who was getting the plaudits. We

need to have a word on Spurs. The first league defeat of the season.

If you are looking at stats. And yet they've only won one out of the last

ten in league and cup. Is the best way to look at it somewhere in

between? For the club of that ambition, it

was not the greatest bench. That reflects the injuries. They're

missing other viral, Erik Lamela. Harry Kane was over seven weeks.

Christian Eriksen has only started to come back to form. They have had

issues with injuries. Toby Alderweireld is a massive mess. Is

this pivotal season for Spurs? The new stadium is going to be built,

there are talks about Harry Kane 's contract. They missed out on Michy

Batshuayi in the summer. Is this a big season of deciding at boardroom

level what kind of club they are going to be? They got Vincent

Janssen instead. Pochettino has a reputation for bringing through the

kids. He has given Harry Winks a chance. You can see the facilities

they have got at their training centre. They have a fantastic

academy setup. Daniel Levy will have to break through the wage structure.

They will have to go through the ?100,000 a week March. They have got

that constraint. They are ten years behind Arsenal. People will love

that. Arsenal had the new stadium situation ten years ago. It stopped

Arsenal from buying the players they needed to to compete because of the

expense of the stadium. Spurs are doing well to compete. The only

embarrassment is the way they went out of the Champions League. That is

maybe a link to the fact that, to play at Wembley, as we did, it was

the only two seasons that Arsenal did not qualify for the latter

stages. There is never a home game. Forget about the performances at

Wembley. If they want to play Vilani Premier League next season, that is

another thing to think about, it could affect them. For long periods

yesterday, Spurs played well. Callum says that the better team lost. He

is right. Pochettino is an intelligent, composed manager. He is

very balanced. I expect them to finish in the top four. It will be a

difficult situation. It is not an easy Premier League. Man United are

already 11 points behind the top team today. Tottenham are having a

decent season. At Anfield yesterday, Liverpool had to work hard. You were

there. Yes, I heard lots of people complaining afterwards saying it was

only Sunderland. Sunderland have come off the back of two victories.

They frustrated them with their game plan. It took them ages, but they

still broken down. They will not win the league with performances like

that, people say. They will not have to play like that. They missed

Coutinho. The scan is a massive thing. He left the ground on

crutches. He is a super player. Probably a top three performance in

the Premier League this season. He came on and had an impact. There

will be worried people about it in you. Let's hear from Jurgen Klopp.

You spoke to him afterwards. This interview has been picked up

everywhere. When you read it it implies one thing. When you hear

that it is something else. We will get your interpretation later. This

was maybe the most defensive team I ever saw in my life. Sunderland

always plays and defensive style. That is OK. We forced them to be

very defensive. Victor Anichebe has played the left fullback. They had

one striker and nine defenders if you want. That is the most thing in

world football, to come through. We had our chances, we stayed cool, we

stayed concentrated. We worked for the moment. We got the moment and we

deserved the three points. Explain how you interpret that? If you read

that, you think, they parked the bus, how dare they? I do not think

he meant that, but that is the headline. I think it was purely an

observation. How difficult the challenge was? Sunderland have

played a big team and sat back because they did not have the

quality to match them like-for-like. I do not think it was meant. It may

have been a little bit, but it was not meant as a pop. It was going off

on the touchline during the game. Maybe he was agreed that that. He

has got to get used to that. He said, it is OK, that is absolutely

OK. They had 72% possession. Remarkable. Sunderland did not start

that way. They had chances. In the first 20 minutes they try to have a

go. But as the game went on, Liverpool had so much of the ball.

It was a natural reaction. For the teams that are challenging, you will

have to break down what is in front of you. Coutinho is a big mess.

Lallana needs to come back quickly as well. He scores the goals, it is

remarkable. The chances that he misses. Jurgen Klopp creates an

energy. These are outstanding managers. It is great to see them

plying their trade in our Premier League. Yesterday, he virtually went

into the crowd. They had to pull him out. He wanted more from the Anfield

faithful. If you are a supporter, do not underestimate what you bring to

the party. The atmosphere is outstanding. He is adding to that.

He gets a performance from his team and he celebrates. As long as there

is control, I love to see it. He has to be careful his team do not go too

far. He only knows one way to behave, does his team only know one

way how to play? They can go a long way if they can control it,

Liverpool. Klopp improves players. He has raced Adam Lallana. I thought

that Adam Lallana was a 67 minute player, fantastic on highlights. Now

he is scoring late on, he has sustained stamina. He has influence

and he does practical things, like playing James Milner at left back.

He had to do it, but he has been outstanding, James Milner. They like

penalty taking fullbacks in Liverpool. He will become a legend.

I like the energy he has. He has seen through the Punch and Judy

approach that the English have to football. It is always about

individuals rather than philosophy and tactics. His interview with you

is a case in point. He was making some cam, tactical points. It does

not have to be a dig at the opposition, it could be something he

has observed. If we're going to keep that going, does David Moyes deserve

credit for how he employed Jason deny yesterday, trying to sniff out

Coutinho? If we're going to go big on the foreign manager coming in are

doing brilliantly with this tactic, and this tactic, I know David Moyes

lost 2-0, but did he get his tactics right? In the first 20 minutes,

Jason Denayer was following Coutinho wherever he went. We did not expect

that. When Coutinho went off, Jason Denayer did not know who to follow

for a while. He had the game plan and it newly worked. That said,

Sadio Mane missed chances. Other chances went by the wayside. On

another day it could have been four, a different game. Shane has said,

what did you expect from Sunderland? We do not have the luxury of players

like Divock Origi, Sadio Mane or Coutinho. We will sit back and

defend. Jurgen Klopp, let's see what you could do with a team like ours.

If we had played attacking football we would have been torn apart.

Talking about the influence of fans, when I used to go do, what did that

do? It made me play better. You are a Manchester United fan. I would

have bid you whoever I supported. Let's come on to Manchester City and

Burnley. Manchester City went with a sturdier team. There was Fernando,

Yaya Toure. Players were left out. That is what I like about Guardiola.

Everyone thought it was going to be beautiful football, Barcelona in the

north-west, but he can mix it up. Gritty performances. At the end of

this season, people will not necessarily remember the beauty of

games in this period, but they are picking up points. He's turning them

into your machine. You can question the marking, but Aguero is always

there. He can give you a threat. That is why he is so clever. Two

similar away games they have had Palace and Burnley away. They have

had to begin. Guardiola has spoken about how he keeps learning,

understanding. When he was manager at Barcelona, we said, how weak they

cope with Stoke? He's doing it. He is making sure that the centre

Discover. Great to see Yaya Toure feature in both of those games. He

plays both sides of the game, nitty-gritty stuff. If they had

taken him at Arsenal ahead of Patrick Viera, it could have been

very different for Arsenal. He is a wonderful player, Yaya Toure. Great

to see him back. They have patched up their differences and we can see

him every week. Guardiola has controlled that situation well. Yaya

Toure's agent was making these comments. Guardiola said, I am going

to play you when I think you're ready, when you're fit. When your

agent has come down. Guardiola has controlled that situation

brilliantly. If I was to play devil's advocate, could he have

sorted it out sooner, so that Yaya Toure was available before the

middle of November? Possibly. Maybe he thought he was not fit enough.

Now he is lean and ready to go. To come back and play that well so

quickly, it shows you the classy player has. When you see the players

celebrating with him, it seems to have pulled the group together. He

has come in from the cold. It has helped them. We talk about intensity

with Klopp and Conte. It is a different sort of intensity with

Guardiola. I get the feeling they never sleeps. It is like he spends

every second thinking about football. On match days years on

edge. It looks like he has his Dover sole about midnight. Can you imagine

your roll full working day without eating? It is not the healthiest.

Arsene Wenger is the Arsenal manager, he manages everything to do

with that football club. I think it is the same with Guardiola. I have

got to speak about the back page on the Mirror. Some of the gestures

from the family section of Burnley to Raheem Sterling were out of

order. I would agree. Nice of you to cover that up in case anyone can

see. Let's go from City to United. They play West Ham at Old Trafford

this afternoon. Mourinho thinks they are still in the title race.

When I won the last title 18 years ago...

Sorry, 18 months ago, I had a ten point advantage

and then in one month I had the same points as Man City.

During the season there are moments everything goes against you,

or everything goes in your favour so we know it is not over.

There is a distance and many quality teams, so it is a difficult

competition, but let's see what happens.

Is he right, Henry Winter? He is a good manager. They are 12 points

away from the top. When you look at the squad, the players, the

potential of Rashford, the experience of Wayne Rooney, Zlatan

Ibrahimovic who has won titles everywhere. He has been unfortunate

with some injuries, particularly defensively. Phil Jones has stepped

in. The amount of money that squad is being paid, they should be

competing for the title. He is what journalists call an optician.

Everything is either, I. You would not have got Arsene Wenger doing

that. He is bringing in the players. He has handled the Rooney situation

well by stamping down on the FA, backing Wayne Rooney. Everything

tends to end up with the Mourinho headline, but if Rooney scores today

and equal Sir Bobby Charlton's record, or if he scores twice and

eclipses it, it will be difficult for Mourinho to gate-crash that

headline. It is about getting results. You did pick up on what he

was saying. He said, I won this, I won that. As a manager and players,

you win or lose together. In that situation, he could not necessarily

say we. He has now the Manchester United manager. I was a part of a

very successful situation. It was not just me. That is how he manages.

But he is right. When you are at the top of the table, you never know if

you're going to win the Championship. There is

inconsistency. That is the landscape. There is no excellence

from anybody. When he was at Chelsea, if you lost again, you

could not recover. Now you can. In the Sunday Times today, Graeme

Souness has done his column on Manchester United and West Ham. He

says he is not sure that probably knows what he's doing in that

midfield. Does he know his role? He also says, maybe West Ham have seen

the best of Dimitri Payet. You can argue both of those. Pogba

has had a more defined role. Michael played on Saturday and Thursday. I

can't see him bringing Schneiderlin back in. It may be that he will have

to change rules slightly again today. I disagree rather with

Martin. I don't think anybody is out of the title race. We have to call

it around October, November. Until after Christmas, when Man City won

the league in 2012, they were eight points behind with eight games to

play. Look at that fully fit squad, potentially a bench with Rooney,

unbelievable talent on the bench, waiting to play. They have got to

win today. Do you think in recent games, a lot of United fans say the

performances have been better than the results in the last month? And a

lot of fans will tell you that's because Michael Carrick has come

back in, the shape he is provided, he is very much the sitting

midfielder and what's interesting, a couple of occasions when Valencia

was pushing up and Carrick would slot in at right back. He has that

housing range. He invariably looks forward and I think as you say, he's

improved Pogba, Juan Mata playing well, Ander Herrera. I think they've

been slightly unfortunate not getting points. You mention Herrera

and character, coming from behind, not first choices. You identify the

players who will do the best job for you straightaway. Isn't that the

sign of a good manager? Carrick was in starting, Ander Herrera, I agree

you can rewind and say he should have made those decisions first but

he reacted to an initial mistake. If he'd done it before, you could argue

he didn't see that early enough within the squad and people being

shelved and not used. We perceive him as dogmatic and not changing.

The ones who have come in, the ones he wanted to play didn't necessarily

do the business so it'll be interesting to see what he does

today with Rashford, Rooney. Ibrahimovic has been offered a new

contract. I think that's a good move, he's a good person to have

around those young players but Anthony Martial, it looks as if they

are unsure. You have to manage it in a way you see fit but we judging by

results and at the moment they are a long way from winning the Premier

League. West Ham in a moment playing Manchester United and Arsenal next

week, just above the bottom three. The half-time whistle has gone at

Vicarage Road, a good first for the visitors. Stoke City leading by 1-0,

Watford had a chance to go six in the table but they are fluffing the

lines so far. You can hear booing in the background for the referee Bobby

madly, who has made a range of decisions upsetting the home camp.

Charlie Adams heading from a corner, hit the inside of the post,

ricocheted in off a radio Gomez, into the net. Some nice touches

shown for Stoke. A final word for West Ham, they have got Man United

midweek, then Arsenal next week. With all due respect to the EFL cup,

this is the one that matters, Perl is the close to the bottom three. We

talk about Alan Pardew, where is Slaven village? He acknowledges he

has to get results quickly, I can't see them getting anything today, it

would be a big surprise if they win today. He's an outstanding manager.

Look at what they did last season. I think you can point the finger at

some of the players, we talked about Dmitri Payet, linked with a move to

Manchester United. By one of the papers. I am sure there is substance

in it but he needs to start delivering to justify headlines and

potential moves. Payet was outstanding last season but he

doesn't look 100% focused. Let's move to Arsenal against Bournemouth.

I tell you what, we hear from Nathan Aki first of all. He's on loan at

Bournemouth from Chelsea. We hear him now. Have you had much contact

with Antonio Conte? What's the relationship like? Not with the

manager, no. But I keep in contact with people like Eddie Newton, they

help you, try to see the games and save what they think. They try to

help you, try to improve, let them make you ready. Arsenal at the

weekend, Arsen Wenger in one technical area, Eddie Howe in

another, people suggesting that Eddie Howe might fit the Arsenal

technical area well in the future? Do you see him as an Arsenal

manager? Yes, I think he's a good manager, why not? He plays good

football, expressive, he wants to play attacking, attractive football

and I think Arsenal does that as well.

I would argue that snye on an impossible question for a player on

loan from Chelsea to Bournemouth to be asked about whether he could be

the next Arsenal manager? How do you answer that? Yes, he should go to

Arsenal. No, he's not a good manager. Where do you go with that?

I know you are a massive Eddie Howe fan and youth trumped him for

England and everything. This is a test of his credentials? Yes but he

seems to keep us in these tests. The players like him, his tactics are

good, good with the media, for many people that's important. He's been

linked with the Arsenal job, quite substantial step. What has been

interesting, how he has worked with Jack Wilshere. I think if Jack had

played, he would have given 100%. Do you think you should be allowed to

play? Absolutely. Absolutely. I was watching the Bournemouth players

arrive. Forgive me. Should players who are on loan be allowed to play

the parent club? Yes. No. Back to your point. I can't remember what it

was. Jack has been good at Bournemouth, great work by the

scientists and sports and his determination to play these

back-to-back games. But I think it's important, significant for Eddie

Howe because it shows he can work with her named players because

that's the issue. Going to Arsenal might be more of a test ban going to

England, you feel it should be an Englishman managing England, as we

found out with Gareth Southgate who should be appointed in the next 72

hours. I can see Eddie Howe longer term. But he's a pretty special

young man. Career-wise? We talked earlier, that's bigger than the

England job, Eddie Howe going to Arsenal. We've not got many

candidates. Gareth Southgate is one step ahead of Eddie Howe. But in the

future, I am sure Eddie Howe will be someone that England and the FA

would look to. Going back to Jack was sure, people seem to have

forgotten, when he plays for Arsenal he has to play every three days and

he's not in contention to be selected, when he said Bournemouth,

it's every seven days. It's easier for Eddie Howe to get him onto the

pitch than Arsen Wenger. IC a route back for Jack was sure at the end of

the season. Wenger wants him. Would you advise him to sign a new

contract? There would need to be reassuring says he will feature. And

if he didn't get those? Would you say stay you are? He'll be given

those and I feel that Arsen Wenger will do that, honestly, but he's

allowed Jacqueline this what Arsenal fans after the draw with PSG during

the week were saying, Wenger, then Santi Cazorla isn't there, Wenger

doesn't seem to know what his best midfield two is and that's a

problem. That isn't going to be good, that uncertainty. For Jack,

it's about proving fitness, part of that, go on loan to Bournemouth.

When he comes back to Arsenal, he has to play every three days, can

he? That will be the challenge. Step one would be proved and what's

surprising, they paid 35 and for another who isn't playing. Is it a

case of waiting for him to be ready but if I was Jack, I'd be thinking I

need to get back at some point, it is unfinished business. On Jack

Wilshere, the conundrum for Arsenal, if he has a good season with

Bournemouth and decides to end his loner, go back to Arsenal, there

will be so many clubs interested in Jack Wilshere and they'll see an

opportunity to try and get him and what do Arsenal do? We are not going

to send you back on loan to the club like Bournemouth, no disrespect. I

tell you what. Put yourself in his position, if he's got bigger clubs,

Champions League clubs coming for him, what's he going to do? It's

taken note of Arsenal's cans. It is Jack's while Emma, he has to give up

the team of history was to go somewhere else, which is best,

bigger, to play run the risk and go back to Arsenal but I feel Wenger

would let him go if he wasn't going to play. To a potential rival? If he

would secure the value of the player. But ultimately, if he's not

playing Jack Wilshere, he'll allow him to leave, just as he allowed him

to go on long. I enjoy this tennis but we spent three minutes talking

about one player, to go back to your earlier point, this is why I'd love

to see him play against Arsenal today. Why can't we? If they are big

enough to let him go on long... Maybe, I don't know, the end of the

season, two games to go is that right? I don't thinks so. Let's talk

Southampton Everton to finish with, Ronald Koeman going back to St Mary

is, said he hopes the fans will respect him. Southampton could go

within two points of Everton, sticky situation, one went out of seven.

There is still a buzz about the place. You see the work they are

doing, the kids they have coming through. This is and this was and

has been going for a while, they are thinking long term. I am sure it

will be some doing there but he is a good manager. The great thing about

him, he won't agree. He's one of the toughest, self-confident individuals

I have ever met stop up there with Jose Mourinho and he's done it as a

player. His personal ambition took away from Southampton, he was doing

a great job and he sees himself alongside the likes of Guardiola and

he thinks he can do that with Everton. That is a sleeping giant,

having played there, money being ploughed on, the next transfer

window will be interesting. Not much between the teams. Henry made the

key point, he won't care but on the other side, from the fans point of

view, they will view it as, hang on, a bit of a snob. And when he starts

to take some Southampton players in January they will dislike him even

more. Thank you for all of your comments, plenty on Jack was sure.

Looks as five waste him as a player, he won't achieve potential because

of injuries. Janus says lay-off Jack, he had the courage to leave

and get more playing time and get himself fit and sharp after injury.

Thank you to die, Henry and Martin, four games today, five live sports

extra as coverage of the second half had been Watford and Stoke, still

bleeding 1-0. We'll see you for Match of the Day to an BBC One

later. Good wife. -- goodbye.