30/10/2016 MOTD2 Extra

Welcome to MOTD 2 Extra on BBC Two and the BBC Sport website.

With me this lunchtime - Kevin Kilbane, MOTD commentator

Guy Mowbray and Andy Dunn, from the Sunday Mirror.

As ever, get involved using the hashtag #bbcfootball

Manchester City end their six-game winless run with a 4-0 victory

Liverpool also win emphatically and are level at the top

Arsene Wenger's side also score four - to leave Sunderland with the worst

start ever to a Premier League season.

But misery for Jose Mourinho, who's sent to the stands,

as Manchester United are held at home by Burnley.

The Sunday papers are dominated by Jose Mourinho.

Saying the Manchester United manager faces a stadium ban.

Andy's paper, The Sunday Mirror, has a story about Yaya Toure,

quoting the player's agent as saying that Pep Guardiola is snubbing his

How dominant Royal Liverpool? It should have been five or six at

half-time, how Palace went in 3-2 down at half-time, I do not know

because of Liverpool's dominance. Everything we expect from Liverpool

going forward was evident. Palace played into their hands, they

dropped very deep and they tried to maybe take away the spacing behind

them from a defensive point of view. I think Liverpool, and yesterday's

showing the game, you may be looked at them defensively because they did

show severe vulnerability. But going forward, they are as good as

anybody. What has changed between this season and last season so far?

Saddier money makes a difference and gives them more pace going forward.

He has got great movement with those upfront, with Roberto Firmino. He

still shake your head with disbelief how Daniel Sturridge cannot get in

the side. But you see the movement and the way they interchange, it is

so difficult for Scott Dann and Tomkins to deal with the movement of

Roberto Firmino. And Roberto Firmino loves the physical battle, you put

the ball in the air and he is not afraid to jump and use his physical

strength. So Liverpool going forward look as good as anything I have

seen. Jurgen Klopp has had a preseason, that has changed. He said

last season, I cannot wait for pre-season. He has had the time to

work with the team and with the squad. They know exactly. Talk about

the interchange, they know exactly how they want to play. There is a

great dynamic amongst the players, they understand what Klopp wants and

he drums that in over preseason. He has had a year, he has got the squad

he wants and the players and the first team he wants and it is

showing the way they play. The understanding they have. I mentioned

the front three and I suppose it is almost like a front five. Yesterday,

Emre Can and Adam Lallana were excellent in supporting roles and

they know instinctively. When Roberto Firmino cuts deep Philippe

Coutinho, -- Philippe Coutinho, it works so well. They are great going

forward, but will that defence come back to haunt them? Three of those

players you mentioned, they have hit their peak and become men. Henderson

is a leader and he has captained his country, Philippe Coutinho is the

proper Number 10, not far behind Neymar in Brazilian teams, he is a

leader now and no longer the Prodigy turning it on occasionally. And you

have Adam Lallana, he is now a Liverpool player, he looks are

Bournemouth ballplayer. It is interesting to you talked about

Philippe Coutinho is a proper Number 10. Listening to David Pleat

yesterday on 5 Live, to summarise the game. In between the amusing

pronunciations of various players! It made me laugh as I was driving

home. Philippe Coutinho reminds him of Luka Modric. Yes, the same

stature. More goals to his game. But I am talking about, he is not just a

Number 10 in the sense that from what David was saying he can play a

bit deep. She used him a bit deep this season and it did not quite

work for Liverpool going forward because he almost restricted him and

he felt he was coming too deep to receive the ball. When he starts

higher and comes into that position, it suits him better. This is Jurgen

Klopp's view after Liverpool's 4-2 win. The first half, it was not

really clear enough and direct enough and clinical enough. But then

we started playing really nice football and as I say, it was really

outstanding what we did then, passing wise, movement wise, it was

really good. We scored the girls and we had a lot more chances. A good

goal keeper, not clinical enough from our side. One was a real

present and the other one less a present but we could have defended

better. Does the defending matter if you

score three or four? No, it doesn't. Liverpool's best form of defence is

clearly attack, it is to chase down possession in the opposite half,

this fabled high pressing game means defensively... You clearly have got

to defend better. There are still questions over maybe the goalkeeping

position. There is still uncertainty. I still think they are

vulnerable from set pieces at the back. Those things, he can work on.

And going forward, gave -- they get so much of the ball and cause so

many problems, that might not be an issue. And listening to Jurgen

Klopp, don't underestimate how much of an influence he is having come up

with his positivity. He will not say, tough, he will say, we are in

the title race, we are genuine contenders. The interview I heard on

the radio after the game, what you think of that? Spectacular! Went you

get a manager as bullish as that? It has to rub off on the players.

Before the game he stands on the halfway line and he stares at the

opposition and it must be intimidating for the Palace players

when they are doing their drills. Jurgen Klopp is on the edge of the

area they are working in just literally looking at them. I don't

know why he does it, I don't think he has been asked a question, it is

almost like an intimidating thing before the game starts. Ask people

who knew him in Germany and they say he is charismatic, but he can also

be a charismatic so and so! That is the exact phrase they use and he is

ruthless. The Daniel Sturridge situation, he is doing what he sees

as best for the team and he is not afraid. Daniel Sturridge will not be

happy not being in the Premier league. But Jurgen Klopp is

ruthless. Chris says that until they sort their defence, they do not win

anything and they are deluded if they think they can win the league.

And also, yes, not the best defensively but among the best in

the world. European football makes it much easier for them. Quickly on

that defence of thing, maybe there are issues, but are you saying

defence is any worse than Manchester City's defence and Arsenal's?

Chelsea? Probably worse than Tottenham. But not winning anything

does not hold, I do not think they will win a title. Look at Kevin

Keegan's Newcastle, do not need to score four goals to win, they are

not not believing anything, I don't believe that. And it said the

intensity they play out, eventually, that will come back to bite them by

February, March, April. If they have not got European football and he has

got a preseason, he is not an idiot. He has done this at Dortmund. He

knows how to talk about a team. We talked about those players, he is

still the biggest factor, Jurgen Klopp. We go on about coaching, the

higher the levels of football, the less about coaching and more about

man management it becomes and I think he is the best in the game.

And physically, the physical commitment of Leicester did not

lessen as the season went on as they had a game a week. They had a game

in week and it was the same team, not just the squad. It is

preparation as well. Training, that is what Liverpool do. It is about

getting the time on the training ground and the training field. It

will be intense the way they train, that is the way they go about

things, but maybe tapering it down towards games towards the end of the

season. The luxury Jurgen Klopp has is not necessarily available to

other managers. Manchester City are top -

above Arsenal and Liverpool on goal difference -

after yesterday's 4-0 He is one of the best, yes?

Absolutely. But I want to help him to be much, much better. So that is

my target, to help him every game to feel how important it is for us and

of course he is one of the best. You have just to see how many goals he

schools in the Premier league, how difficult it is, and that is why I

am so is, so happy for him. Because of all of that, he is one of the

most nicest persons I ever met. And I love to work with nice guys, nice

people, and Sergio is one of them. You were there, how dominant were

they? They were quite brilliant in the first half. Every time I have

seen City this season, there has been one hour of football that you

think, this was better than last week, it is getting better and

better. I thought too much was made of the run of winless games. It was

thrown into contrast because they won the first ten in a row and you

thought the wheels had come off, they did not, there were

circumstances apart from the Tottenham defeat behind every game.

There are different games with different circumstances. When

everything is lumped together... Yesterday, they were still on top of

the Premier league, people overlook that, they are still the best in the

country when they hit it. He is still learning about the Premier

league, he has never faced a team like West Bromwich Albion before,

but he had a plan for them. And to his praise of Aguero was false and

rightly so because he was magnificent yesterday. What was

different yesterday? -- was all. He left him out of the Barcelona games.

That led to some thinking he was finished at City and he was not a

Pep Guardiola man, that is nonsense. Danny Murphy highlighted it is

today, he flooded the midfield for the Barcelona game and it nearly

worked until Claudio Bravo was sent off, it could have worked. Aguero is

now tracking back. He made two yesterday. His Group 2 and he made

one and he had a hand in everything City did. Does she scored two. We

have seen headlines today about Toure, he would not be doing that

sort of work in the middle and he has got everybody working and doing

the same thing. I also wonder, looking at the line yesterday, when

they were at the most dominant at the start of the season, it included

most of the players who started yesterday. Aguero, Nolito, David

Silva. There was only Kevin de Bruyne who did not start from that

dominant period early in the season. There is nothing wrong with having a

bit of stability. You say you understand the reasons why Aguero

did not play against Barcelona and if I remember, he did not start the

previous league game against Everton. He came off the bench. To

me, Aguero has to play if he is fit in any game. You can be as clever as

you want a tactically but I think Aguero has to play in every game. As

he over thought it at times? Yes, can you imagine Luis Enrique turning

round the Luis Suarez and saying, biggest game on Saturday, you're not

playing. You are our best striker and you are not playing. I cannot

imagine it at any other club and maybe that is Guardiola saying,

nobody is bigger than the club, but I don't buy into that. But over that

praise was interesting. He is one of the greatest guys I've ever met. I

love that! Was almost as though it may be Guardiola had heard what

people were saying and that was that may be Aguero was one of those

players, the senior players, that Guardiola, I wouldn't say the word

targeted, but has said, you cannot rest on what you have done before

you got here. You cannot rest, so the spine, Jo Hart, Vincent Kompany,

Toure, Aguero, David Silva, there was a suggestion they were the ones

in training he was saying, you have to up your game and after this,

maybe this is psychological, thanks for that, you have responded. Isn't

the Luis Suarez comparison slightly misleading in the sense that

Barcelona never have to play Barcelona? Therefore they don't have

to worry about what they do is tactically. Every side that plays

Barcelona worries about, even a side managed by Pep Guardiola, worries

what they have to do tactically. When Guardiola was with Bayern

Munich, he tried to play three at the back against Barcelona and he

changed it to try and do something. I take what you are saying but the

dog grow but! You kick it over that far side of the studio! They are

playing Real Madrid or the big Champions League game and you leave

out Luis Suarez or one of your top players, it will not happen. At any

other club. But that is because they are at the level of being the very,

very best. Sergio Aguero is not? Not Aguero, but you could argue City, as

with the Premier league clubs, they are not at the elite European level.

I am talking about the individual player. Aguero is that level, he is

of the elite, the ultimate. Absolutely, but if you need a

tactical plan at the elite level, what happens then? I get your point.

If you put it on the team as a whole, I would take your point, I

would have known what she meant. That was my point! If it didn't stop

the cameras, I would move my chair over there! I know what you are

saying but the fact is that Aguero, if you are going to build a side to

beat the opposition, you have to play your best players and try to

get him right to work within that system, that is what I would say.

Not so much you build your team around him, but he has to be one of

the players. Surely there is no tactical system

he can't fit into. It has to be a balance. You can't just go there and

think, this is how we will do it. Barcelona have needed to do that and

there's no suggestion he would have dropped any of those front three,

there is no suggestion those players would have been dropped. Why would

he play on Tuesday when he didn't play Barcelona? Because he will play

Tuesday. Just because they're away from home... That is a difference.

We know that managers play differently away from home. But they

needed to be a threat in Barcelona. And he carries the biggest threat so

I didn't understand it. They actually played quite well on the

day and then they threw it away. What was different yesterday, I was

going to mention Guendogan. He was excellent. He seems to be getting

the Premier League. They were having shots on goal from 20 yards. Aguero

would have a go, fan and Ennio would have a go. Against Everton, they

were trying to over do it. I'm not trying to pick arguments with every

guest, but it is difficult to talk about these players! Lots of texts

and tweets on Sergio Aguero. He has no equals in the Premier League.

Goal drought issues or not, the strikes are sublime. I back Aguero

for the first team any time. That's paid for my season tickets. By the

way, Aston Villa have taken the lead against Birmingham. It is 1-0. Is

this title race a three horse race? Arsenal, city and Liverpool? You

only have to look at what Chelsea did to Manchester United and Chelsea

are very much in it. Spurs are struggling a little four goals,

really. I know Harry Kane has been injured which has been a big part of

that as well. It is five and I wouldn't discount Man United. I was

at Man United yesterday and they should have won that game. I would

say six. I would say sixteens. I really believe that. So, do Arsenal

look like title contenders than they have done in the last five or six

years? Yes, without a doubt. That'll be a test for them despatching their

closest rivals. I would say city and Arsenal are the top to bottom I do

agree with Andy, I don't think we can call it all the way from. You

wouldn't put Arsenal top to? No, I think they will fall away. Why? The

one thing I would say with Arsenal, when you see them, I've seen a

better response in games. They had a negativity when they gave the

penalty away and they responded, scoring late against Burnley

suggests to me they are better in shape mentally and able to go over

that extra yard to get the result this year so I wouldn't discount

them but from what I've seen who is playing the better football, Arsenal

are playing great... Liverpool and city... You have Giroud, who hasn't

started a game yet, he comes off the bench, he is a different goal

threat. There is a little bit more about them. Do they have a better

defensive partnership? Yes. Per Mertesacker, I'm not totally

convinced about the stuffy, here's old-fashioned but I think that has

had an impact. He wants to defend. I haven't seen that from Per

Mertesacker. I think decent enough but I don't think he has that real

will to defend for his team, I don't see it so I think they have a

partnership straight away. It is the perennial question... Yes, and they

have Spurs and Manchester United next in November. They do look you

know, Ramsey came in yesterday, he came on, and they've got strength

and depth now that they haven't had before. From one to 23, they look

well-stocked and you have also got players in great form. Sanchez was

magnificent yesterday. These teams we're talking about, Liverpool with

Patino, Manchester City with David Silva, these great creative players,

they have that with Sanchez. These are players that have been opening

teams up time after time. Is the answer are they equipped to do it?

Yes, they are. Liverpool, great run of fixtures. They play the

Merseyside derby before Christmas. Leading up to that, they have a

great run of fixtures. I think Liverpool could be top at Christmas.

And they play Manchester City on New Year's Eve. A winner of schedule for

everybody. We go Goodison next. Everton have gone five games without

a win. Romelu Lukaku has scored in his last

six games against West Ham, he has scored a lot of goals so far. West

Ham now unbeaten in four games. Slaven Bilic makes one change,

Adrian back in goal, otherwise it is the same team that played Chelsea

midweek. Everton have had a bit of a wobble. Their recently record...

Equally, if they win today, they'd go within two of Spurs. Defensively,

they look a bit better. I think they've been like Tottenham, they

haven't scored enough goals this season, heavily reliant on Romelu

Lukaku. If he isn't scoring, where are they going to get goals?

Certainly, Ross Barkley has been out of sorts this year. Ronald Koeman

has questioned him, saying he needs to do various things to improve and

stay in the side, Ross Barkley. That is where Everton are struggling. I

don't think they can find anybody else to go with Romelu Lukaku to get

them into double figures. I saw them at city, they were swamped. They

looked as solid as you like. I am surprised by the recent run of

results, put it that way. They are a better team, put it that way. I saw

them with Crystal Palace. They played really well in the first half

an hour of the game. Once they got the goal, they almost sat off and

allowed Crystal Palace to come back in and Crystal Palace could have won

it. Are they not dominant enough? I don't think they are, I don't

think... Once they get in front, they continue to play. That is the

bigger teams. Everton will sit on their lead which is something that

will come. I have been impressed with Ronald Koeman and his side,

they look better and more solid. I totally agree that Romelu Lukaku has

to have more back-up in the goal-scoring front. Ross Barkley, he

hasn't clicked on, someone who should be playing midfield and

should be scoring. We have seen him score good goals, he's a good

finisher and player. People like that should be chipping in with

goals. Gerard Deulofeu and others, they should be helping Romelu Lukaku

in terms of providing goals. There's a little bit of... A little bit of

flair missing. Would rain Ruhnau help? Ronald Koeman quoted on the

BBC sport website saying I don't know his situation and need to

respect it, it's not my problem but even when we get one time the

possibility that Wayne Rooney is an option for Everton, I'm very

pleased. He shouldn't be an option for Everton. Everton have got an

ambitious major investor. They want to be amongst the Man Uniteds, Man

Citys, Liverpools of this world so if Wayne Rooney isn't good enough

Man United, why should he be good enough for Everton? I think it might

give him a spark, I'd take him back to Everton. I would. I think the

majority of the fans would take him back. I think you'd fit well. Not

necessarily... Not long-term, but it would be nice. How would it happen?

Financially, it is a struggle to compete with the his wages. And

United would expect a decent transfer fee. I don't think that big

a transfer fee. I think United... My understanding is that he has this

year than a year on top of that, then another year which is an

option. Until 2018. Is it club option? An option on both sides. A

lot of money, in terms of their contractual commitments. Certainly

15 million for next season. If he isn't going to play for Manchester

United, as rich as they are, they can't afford to have someone having

that money so they'd want to get that money off their books so I'm

sure they'd come to some compromise. Even if Wayne Rooney came to a

compromise on his own wages going to Everton... Let's say he takes half

of what he is on at Man United, that's double on what the top end

Everton is on. However old he is going to be, let's say pushing 32

next summer, do you think he comes on in that sort of money, and Romelu

Lukaku is going to set I want that sort of money? Fraught with

problems. When you're taking him, he has played a lot of games, would he

be that effective for Everton? I think you'd provide a spark for the

club. Not necessarily you say being able to play consistently over two

or three seasons but I think you'd definitely provide a spark for that

team. Are we being a little damage your calling time on his Manchester

United days? Yes, but I was trying to get a debate going! I thought I'd

throw it in there. I don't think it should happen. It would be a bad

move from Everton's point of view. What I would say is it has been

noticeable how the bridges between Ruhnau and Everton have been rebuilt

over the last two or three years, Everton provided the opposition for

Wayne Rooney's testimonial. He takes his sons to watch Everton. It is

noticeable. It is a sort of romantic prodigal son story. Various

discussions you're contributing to on text and tweet. Ricky says, the

puzzle is coming together with more things to come. Fogg says Barcelona

wouldn't drop Suarez because he works hard whereas Aguero doesn't.

And Mark says, he is a Manchester City fan, which is an interesting

point, Spurs are five games without a win but no mention from the media

about a crisis there. Keep them coming. If you want to get involved.

We move on to Sunderland to have made some unwanted history, two

points from ten games, the worst ever start to a Premier League

season. Here is David Moyes. I've been there before, maybe not quite

in this situation but similar situations. First of all, we've got

to get away from losing. We've got to get to not conceding goals. And

we did a pretty good job at it. But then we didn't give ourselves a

chance and they got a third after that and put the game beyond us.

Former club of yours. Can you put your finger on one problem or are

very multitude of problems? Multitude. Goal-scoring, defending,

there are a number of issues that is going on. The one thing we spoke

about before when Arsenal conceded a goal, they got themselves back into

the game. For about five minutes afterwards, there was almost panic,

the way that the players were addressing each other when Arsenal

had a corner just prior to them getting... Panic from Sunderland

once they got themselves back in front. Everyone was screaming at

each other, no one could get themselves organised, no real

leadership on the pitch, no real experience and it was almost as if

right, we've scored, we need this game to end now. Same thing against

Crystal Palace. You could see that. It's almost as if as a team... They

maybe even need to look back and see how disorganised and just how they

were conducting themselves on the pitch. If you look at it, you think,

let's get ourselves right and organised and settled in a calm way.

It was just such a scattered approach to getting the job done. We

made the point about the body language of the Sunderland players

after they'd scored the penalty. There was a bit of congratulations

to Defoe, but then the players looking back sheepishly, thinking,

what happens now? We all know what happened. Waiting for the inevitable

to happen. The whole thing feels rudderless. I'm not saying that from

the coach's point of view because I don't know what he can do. Sam

Allardyce leaving the club in the summer, it's a punch to the stomach.

They were euphoric surviving in the Premier League. They haven't

recovered from Sam Allardyce leaving. If he is an experienced

manager who has been around the block, surely he should be able to

do something. There's only so much you can do with the resources at his

disposal at the moment. I don't think they are good enough to get

out of it this time. You're saying this is an unwanted statistic, the

start they've made, but they've been in the Premier League before where

it was pretty patents at this stage they were going and it feels like

that again. David Moyes, his biggest strength is getting the team

organised. Training was good but getting the team organised when

things were going against you just to stop opposition at times,... I

He was good at getting a side to stop teams. What has happened? I

think there is a lack of interest from the top. I am sure he has been

at games, we have not seen the owner at games this season, not on any

footage I have seen. Is the interest of all going? I don't know what is

going on business-wise, it feels it is just drifting. In terms of what

David Moyes can do, I looked at Sunderland, and I did not know how

they were trying to play, were they trying to pass? They will not play

their way out of trouble. You have to accept it has to be more

physical, more direct. Like it was under Allardyce. I would look at

Sunderland and I don't see what they are trying to do in terms of where

they trying to sit back and play? No, they were trying to pass on

occasions which they did not look comfortable with. Would they be

better under Allardyce at the moment? Yes, they would, he would

not go back. A lot of newspapers suggested that could be an option, I

do not believe Sam Allardyce would go back to Sunderland, why would he?

He took over last season when they had three points from eight or nine

games and performed a miracle and this is a worse situation. For his

own professional reputation, I think you would look at that thing, I did

it last season but I couldn't do it with this team. We are looking for

the next window, David Moyes did not have a lot of time to get players.

He brought some in. Yes, I know, but did he necessarily get the signings

he wanted? I certainly don't you with that she did. Lack of

leadership, you have left the club by then, Kevin. I remember the

terrible season, like Duncan Watmore and young players with great

potential, playing when baked on each ready in a struggling team, it

reminds me of when Michael Proctor was thrown in and Kevin Kyle, it was

the same sort of season. It was a difficult season and I remember at

times we played well in games and all of the sudden, getting in front

in games. It is almost, right, that is it. You cannot see the next five

or six minutes through and as soon as you concede, that is it, gone.

The involved yesterday. All brought in by David Moyes, on the bench.

Manquillo. Love. All brought in by David Moyes. I am not denying that,

with Labour targets he wanted? I would probably say no. I would say

no. Absolutely not. The biggest surprise of all those signings, I

cannot work out with all the money he was paid. How did he increase in

value sitting on the bench of Chelsea and the value went up?

Michel, I feel sorry for Moyes, he got the job late and did not have

time to spend in the window. Sean says, Sunderland created decent

chances but they lacked the creativity to create goal-scoring

opportunities. John, the team looks so breast of confidence, I cannot

see them winning a game and Moyes looks clueless. Ali, I am

devastated, so much has changed since last year, we may have made

the wrong appointment and if he fails, it may be his last job in

football. But at some point, a lot of Sunderland players have to take

responsibility because they keep going through managers and not every

manager... They have had very experienced managers from Moyes,

Allardyce, Dick Advocaat, Gus Poyet. They are not all bad. No, and I

think that will be, I take the point about the uncertainty in the

boardroom level, but I think there is a feeling of exactly that. That

we can't keep on making the manager the ultimate scapegoat for it. That

is why I think they will stick with Moyes because I think they have come

to that exact same conclusion. We can't keep on the change in the

manager and at some point, the players have to take some

responsibility. But the players change. You mentioned those players

brought in and you go down that list and do you think any of those

players will be instrumental in keeping Sunderland up? No, I don't,

but the sake Moyes did not have a transfer window to bring players in

a slightly inaccurate. It is not! Did he have a long-term plan to

bring those in? Were they signings because he needs to get bodies in in

such a short space of time? Stephen Pienaar was a cry for help. Yes, he

would have never gone to Sunderland. I am convinced he would have gone in

in the New Year. He probably had a number... He knows Victor as well.

Players he would have known and he has had to get people into do a job

for him. From a fan's point of view, what, you will just pay them ?20,000

a week and you do not really want them? No, they are not bad players

but the point is, if going into the next window he has got better

targets long-term, at least they can do the groundwork and speak to the

agents and players and people around them and the clubs and get these

targets, get them into the club and done and dusted. He didn't have that

time to do that. I agree, I think fans will think we are paying them

this amount and the players are not being prised away from clubs, they

are available for a reason. Pick the yen as I is available for in reason.

Love, from Manchester. -- Adam Brown as I. He takes them, having known

they are surplus to requirements at their clubs. I think of a target as

somebody you think, he is doing a great job for you, we will get him

out of the cupboard to do a great job for us. We need bodies. This is

what, it is half-time in the Midlands derby, Birmingham zero,

Aston Villa one. This January transfer window, Aston Villa and

Sunderland are in for the same player. And you look at Norwich and

Newcastle. I know. Aston Villa are just on the verge of the playoffs at

this time, Aston Villa and sandalwood and there, which would a

player go to? That is completely down to the individual, isn't it? It

depends how much money is on the table. That is what it is down to.

Do you want to give a slightly less sitting on the fence fun -- Anza.

Aston Villa, absolutely. Because there will the, if they are in that

position, there will be a feel-good factor to Aston Villa and at

Sunderland, there has not been anything but do miss season.

Personally, I would say Sunderland because I know the potential at that

place and even if they came down, the potential is always there and I

would say Sunderland. I would agree with Guy Mowbray! But if they are

coming to sign me, they are in trouble. That would be very true,

goodness me! You are at Old Trafford yesterday,

what was the atmosphere like in the second toward the end, was it

disgruntled or a recognition they had done all but put the ball in the

back of the net? There was disgruntlement it was towards Mark

Clattenburg, I thought the atmosphere was good and the fans got

behind the team really well. They recognise, everyone can see what is

happening and United were having a shot every other minute. They were

camped in the barely half and trying everything they could. They unjustly

got a man sent off so that gets the crowd behind you more. It was fine,

the anger from the crowd was purely at Mark Clattenburg. And they also

recognised, and I think it is fair that we say this, but they played OK

yesterday. They were good. They could win that Game 29 times out of

30. I thought you were going to say 29-0! They were good. And they

didn't really. We must say barely defended. Fantastically. I often

lead people saying, the art of defending, bemoaning the fact of

good old-fashioned defending which has disappeared from the game. They

should go and watch Burnley and their centre halves is today and

their full-backs, they defended magnificently. Let's do Burnley. It

would be grossly unfair not to. They have beaten Everton, Liverpool, they

have done at Manchester United, they should arguably have done with

Arsenal and the goal should not have stored. A clean sheet against

Manchester United and Liverpool and arguably they should have against

Arsenal. It is four years today since Sean Dyche took over. The job

he has done has been outstanding. Where he has built the club from,

his greatest achievement is getting the club promoted the first time.

They were on the third lowest budget in the Championship and to get them

promote it was incredible. Now, Burnley went down and got promoted

and now they are a stable club. He has cemented them for the next ten

years of being this club that can come if they don't stay in the

Premier league, certainly they will stay at the top of the Championship

and go one. His post match interview yesterday, he said, defensively, we

were great. Our next thing is to be more comfortable on the ball,

particularly in a situation like yesterday for the half of the second

half against ten men. Should that be quite easy to develop for top-flight

football? I think when you look at Burnley the last time there were in

the Premier league, the mentality was to contain. That set throughout

the club and it is difficult to flip, being on top in games, to try

and... It is a mentality thing? Mentality, but they will work on

that in training and breaking down the opposition. The fundamentals of

the club and probably of Dyche, it is along the likes of Mourinho,

clean sheet, let's stop this clean sheet mentality. We still have

quality going forward, they have mooned forward and they have signed

Andre Gray who has done great. -- moved. They are bringing in players

to make them more expensive and that takes time. The mentality comes from

the manager, who has a perfect approach. Philosophical about going

down, he worked hard to get them back up. Stephen Defoe was an

inspired signing. He has the mentality to play for Burnley. I

played with Scott Arfield at Huddersfield and he gets released

from Huddersfield and he was trying to get a club and I knew he had the

talent, really talented player. You are thinking, what is going to

happen with this boy? He went on trial at Burnley and they realised

he could do the job. And his talent has taken over. He is a prime

example, that is down to great management, he got the best out of

him and also George Boyd. And Dean Marney, another one I played with.

These players, it you think, good players, but it is down to the

manager and how he has got them on the training ground and got them

right. It is testament to him. Of course, the players as well. They

have good players and the manager has brought out the best. Adam says,

people criticise United, Heaton was fantastic for Burnley. Most teams

would have struggled to score -- the school. Should United fans be

concerned about Mourinho? Yes, I think so. The club hierarchy should

be, it is not a good look to have your manager scrabbling around

trying to find a seat in the stands for the second half. They cannot

influence too much in the technical area but maybe he could have

affected changes more quickly and more effectively than sending down

notes. He will now get a stadium ban, no doubt. The circus around

that, remember what happened when he watched the Stoke came from a nearby

hotel? I just don't think it creates a good atmosphere. Body language.

We have to end it here and me and Kevin will have a hug, we do like

each other! I'll be back for Match

of the Day 2 tonight,