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competition in rugby league. Standing 36 inches high and made of

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solid silver, the Challenge Cup has been the ultimate prize in the

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British game for 116 years. The likes of Bradford, Huddersfield and

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Wakefield enjoyed many early days in the sun. But nobody has dominated

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cups, a run that will possibly stand her ever. In recent years, Saint

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Helens have marked many victories, and so have Warrington. The walls

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other current cup kings with three wins in the last four seasons, and

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they will be hungry for another success this time around. The

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Challenge Cup: History, press stage, excitement, honour, power and glory.

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Rugby league at its very best. And here comes the star of the show,

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with me this afternoon who have plenty of history with the Challenge

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Cup. This trophy matters. Both of these two teams would have rather

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avoided each other, but good teams along the way. I don't want to

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resort to cliches, but in other sports, the cup final may not be a

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priority. But in rugby league, it is. Yes, it is the one you look at

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and want to win as a coach and player. The pressure gets so intense

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during the week because you know you have to get it right today. With the

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Challenge Cup, you need a win. Trapdoor football is back! Both

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these teams are pretty evenly matched. They probably know a little

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bit more about each other because of the recent encounter with each other

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then they probably like. Let's show you the fourth round weekend. And it

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very much as a weekend, because there were games last night, of

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course, and plenty of things over the weekend to come. Leeds and Wigan

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got through last night, and got through last night, and

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Doncaster was beaten. The game today is very much the big game. Tomorrow,

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you want to look out for the Cumbrian Derby, which is between

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Whitehaven and Workington. Here at Craven Park, now, it is Hull KR

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their history. A year later they returned, but they lost. In recent

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years, the cup has been cruel. Their best run came in 2006 when they

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reached the semis before losing to Saint Helens. Craig Sandercock is

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their coach and he will be looking for Michael Dobson to inspire them

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today. As for Saint Helens, they are the second most successful team in

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Challenge Cup history with 12 wins. They have lost three semifinals, the

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most recent two Wigan two years ago. Nathan Brown as their coach, one of

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many new faces. Today, he will be looking to Jon Wilkin to march the

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Saints forward. If you look at the last seven metres between these

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sides, Hull KR have won five of them. Their only defeat came in the

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Challenge Cup. That reinforces how strong they are. They seem to get

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better with a home-field advantage. They know the intimacy of the

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field, and Saint Helots had to come here. -- Saint Helens. This team

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will definitely create points. But can they defended well and after

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day? How much of an influence for that Game two weeks ago have on

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today's match? It was on the back of a very tight run of Easter games.

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They had to win. Saints were a little bit down, but both teams

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looked sprightly in the warm-ups. Hull KR's big problem has been

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conceding points. These three are the only Challenge Cup experienced

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Challenge Cup, you have to have a strong, on field leaders, and you

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don't have much better than Jon Wilkin. To be honest, his only

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responsibility will be to move the pack around the field. They also

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have this man here. Here's one of best players, very dynamic and

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offence and defence. When that man there, Michael Dobson, plays well,

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Hull KR plays well. And that's what they'll need. What he's trying to do

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is create opportunities. And Corey Paterson is just coming round the

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post now. He runs a good, hard line. He is one of the biggest hitters in

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the game. They'll be looking to him for all those special opportunities.

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Whenever I do rugby league, I always mention the size of the players.

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They are massive. Saint Helens do have a concern about size, don't

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they? Sometimes, they are a bit worried they are not big enough.

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will see a fair bit size in their team. When you match the two teams

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up, Saints, maybe not as big in the past, but when you see some of the

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players, they are big. To me, they all look massive! But sometimes,

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all look massive! But sometimes, there is a question. Who do want to

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talk about first? Michael Dobson and Jon Wilkin very important.

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kicking game is very important. They will have to get their hands on the

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ball. They are the ones who will dictate how they play in attack. It

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is really important they step up to the mark. Michael Dobson has a

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better John -- better kicking game than Jon Wilkin. John has to have a

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better kicking game than Michael Dobson. But how difficult will have

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to be for him? A tough challenge. Michael Dobson will be comfortable

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in his position. Jon Wilkin has been there for most of the season. I

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agree with Ian about the kicking game and agreed they should be the

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type of kicks we should see. With Jon Wilkin, he has better kicks,

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whereas Michael Dobson has more precision. Two big forwards. Corey

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Paterson. The big thing is, Paterson plays on the left-hand side. That is

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the side Dobson plays on. He likes to play the little, short pass and

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create a 1-on-1 tackle the opposition. They have all got most

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of them. They encourage second phase. They are the go to men.

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Paterson is fearsome, isn't he? He is a good player. I have been

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involved with him. A very skilful player, a big, strong player, but

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very adaptable. Three distinguished coaches alongside me. Let's hear

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from the team coaches involved, got them to change or their course.

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Is that true? We changed a couple of little things. Nothing too much.

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Attack hasn't been the problem. it strange, having played them just

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a couple of weeks ago? I little bit. At least we had a win a couple of

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weeks ago. You have had so many injuries but so many key players.

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The good thing is, the games we have been losing, the guys had been

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competing really hard. We have been under a fair bit of pressure, but

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hopefully, we have a little bit of experience in size. What do you take

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from the defeat here a couple of weeks ago? We got penalised 15-7,

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and a fair bit it was our fault. In some ways, we have a lot of

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compensating to do. How difficult has this season been? It has been

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extremely difficult. I really feel for Nathan Brown. We talk about a

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lot of players in key positions and he has had to include a a lot of

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young guys. That's always very hard. The danger is, if you change

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your calls, you might confuse our own players as well. Yes, they might

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change the way the attack but definitely the way they defend.

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Interesting to see what kind of shape they have defensively. It is

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just that muscle memory, that memory you have a great times in the

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channel -- Challenge Cup. It is a distraction from your week to week

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event. It gives you that impetus and special desire to do well. It

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doesn't matter about your form or where you won the league. Impetus is

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a big thing, isn't it, Ian? Nothing will change except both teams will

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have two kick well. The return of Gardner will combat Dobson 's

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kicking game, but it is vital you start well. Ian, Stephen Bryant,

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thank you very much for the moment. So, the teams are in the tunnel

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I am joined by Jonathan Davis today in a commentary. Something a bit

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different this year on the BBC commentary. We will be hearing from

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the video referee. If there is a decision that has to go to video

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referee, we will be able to hear it from him. It is again that oozes

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tradition and entertainment and a match that is very important for

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the immediate future of both of these clubs. They have both had

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their ups and downs so far in 2013. A decent crowd in here as well. We

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have one end that is close because of the new building work going on

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at Craven Park. This is the way Silverwood will be -- hour referee

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today is Richard Silverwood. -- our screens for another goal round.

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Wembley in August, but a long hard road between HET and there. It is a

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penalty straight away. -- between here and there. I think Wellens had

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he's fought out of play. -- had his inconsistent. Their defence has not

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to push back to be 12 metre mark. There is a lot of work for Hull KR

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the kick. -- the go to man with the Did you see where contact was made?

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I did not. I am not convinced were contact has been made. It is going

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on report. That was definitely a we see the knock-on effect. --

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impact since his arrival. St Helens's defence is being tested to

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but he had to wrap the ball. Saints get away without conceding

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here, they will be patting themselves on the back. Here is

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their defensive line-up. He might have hurt himself, but he is going

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to carry on for the time being. meantime, Josh Hodge and his

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jogging a little further. -- Josh what they need to do because they

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charge. I think he was just been clumsy. -- being clumsy. They need

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Melly. Here we go again. And Saint Helens defending has been absolutely

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superb so far, but how long can they hang on? They really are tested

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Saint Helens still hanging on. The referees not sure! For the first

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time, we will hear from the video referee. Offside, onside is what we

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are looking for. We are looking at the kick from Eden. OK, freeze in on

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the cake. Let's run it through now. He is onside. Clearly onside.

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try is given! He does exceptionally pinpoint kick in the end. The kick

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before to score the try was just the same! So here comes Dobson, with a

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chance to turn a four into six. Over chance to turn a four into six. Over

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chance to turn a four into six. Over chance to turn a four into six. Over

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it goes. It would be so easy for Craig Hall to overrun, but he

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actually just stopped. And the timing of the run is superb. It is

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so easy to overrun those things. He just stood still and accelerated off

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the mark. How important is that score for Hull Kingston Rovers? Very

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important. They have had all the pressure and attack. They have been

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asking questions and the quality of the Saints defence has held out.

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They will be looking again to show their wares. What are you saying? It

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is pretty hectic down here. These Saint Helen's players were giving

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Michael Dobson some special attention. Even off-camera, years

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organising absolutely everything for Hull KR. Saint Helens having to do

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so much defence. Is speculation that he might the honours way to Saint

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Helens. Here is Dobson again on that left vote. He has found a bit of

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Green space to plant at ball. That just gives them a few extra seconds

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to get up on the defensive line and make the tackle a good one. Keep it

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simple. I have been impressed. again here. No yard is being made.

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That is a bomb tried. With Challenge Cup games, you have to take every

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opportunity you are given. Watch. David Hodgson has to gather that and

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get diving at the corner. He would have scored that had he taken the

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ball. In the meantime, in a bad way terms of the amount of pressure Hull

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Kingston Rovers have had. I can only reinforce that Saints have

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contributed to that. There are some fundamentals you have to get right

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first. With possession, they need to put their hands up now, the Saints

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Helens forwards. This is the tackle. Again, very difficult. My

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instinct for you would not be on the floor for nothing. He comes in. As a

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winger, when you come in, you have to make sure the ball does not get

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out of that player's hands. With a shoulder tackle being banned, it is

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a very difficult skill for those wingers to do. Aid Gardner is not

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the kind of player that does that kind of thing for fun, does he?

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he an innocent in all of this? don't think so. It is the timing.

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Once you are defeated on the fringe, if one of your inside defenders gets

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caught out, you're outside to be but have to make a decision to come out

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together. Once you've made that decision to come in, you've got to

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get there quickly. It is a difficult winger. If you are rushing in, you

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have two stop the ball going out, and sometimes happened so quickly,

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you can't get your hands out. Another penalty for Hull Kingston

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Rovers. Some good defending from second try! Thoroughly deserved.

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10-0 with lead now. Pressure has been good, but once again, rather

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than a scrum Saint Helens, defensively, it is an attacking

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penalty for Hull KR. Six points. What a terrific start he has had!

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Terrific start. Great goal-line play. Turns it back inside with a

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clever ball, and he is the right shape and size. An impossible tackle

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for Josh Jones to make there. Michael Dobson with a very clickable

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conversion attempt. And how Kingston Rovers lead from 6-0 to 12-0 now.

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How Kingston Rovers in control of this match now. Here it is in slow

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motion. The only chance you've got that is to try to get your body

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underneath the ball so they can't get it down. How Kingston Rovers

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leading him by 12 zero. Absolutely dominating this game at the moment.

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77% possession, 79% territory. again, four penalties and four

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errors. 20 minutes gone, and they have made eight errors. Some news on

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the touchline? Chris Welham, his head is clear. He has had the

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stuffing knocked out of him. Cheers the type of team back and take this

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kind of ammunition and comeback themselves. Jordan Turner has

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managed to make it to the 30 metre saying. None given, none taken, high

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questions of this defence. The last minute has been busy! Hull Kingston

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Rovers to score an awful lot, but they also concede an awful lot. 12

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Super League games this season. Looking for a little bit that

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right-hand side. Hull Kingston Rovers now, and the referee says no

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advantage. That again is a new role advantage rule until the ball stops,

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and if no advantage has been taken, it comes back to that original. In

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essence, it is a free play. It is a very exciting concept they have

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escape from that temporary imprisonment inside their own half,

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looking to bring it back to Saint Helen's territory again. Kick away

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by Dobson. It will bounce towards the goal line. A terrific kick. I

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wall of red is up there. And here we go again. Possession and position.

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They need to complete the set now. Good kick, good field position.

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is the past. -- here is the pass. go. St Helens are in a good

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that was! -- try that was! And however, we need to hear from the

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video referee. I think be obstruction related back to the

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passing field. We need to find out who was the last player on the ball.

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There is nothing at the mourn the - - at the moment. We need to go back.

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He goes forward as the ball is played. He is just standing his

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ground at that stage. He is in front of the ball. Let us see what

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happens to the defenders. Let us go back to that. As the ball is played,

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he steps forward. Hodgson is the player involved. He is there on the

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tackle. There is plenty of time to readjust. Let us run it right

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through to the grounding, please. There are still numbers in the

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tackle available. I think we know what the decision is. It is a try

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and! No obstruction. -- it is a finish. It was very simple. A great

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conversion because it get important Sia Soliola is in hot pursuit. How

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quickly the dynamics of a game can Welham. He has been given an

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Helens are trying to get back. This is a great game. They are just

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collect it. So, off we go again. St Helens are defending tight to make

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sure Hull Kingston Rovers cannot Puletua is back. He makes such a

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needs half-time to come. He is not communicating of getting into

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position. This is three tackles inside their own 10 metres for Hull

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good call. Just watch where he is. Nobody can question the referee's

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court because he is in the best Burns. Francis Meli is in trouble

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though. I think they have blown arm. I am not surprised. Look how

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hard he hit his head. That is a sickening shock, looking how loose

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his head is. He has got to go for that, surely? I think he has. This

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is a big decision in the context of this match. Sometimes there winner

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has to stand off or go in and make a decision what to do. -- sometimes

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the winger. A red card. From the moment he made contact you suspect

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he knew his game was over. The fact his arm is injured shows just how

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hard he hit Francis Meli around the it? I hope no-one is going to have

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at any arguments with that red card. St Helens are down to 12 men for

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the rest of this game. 47 minutes left to play. Hull Kingston Rovers

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Hull Kingston Rovers making their advantage count. Unfortunately, on

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the other side, just watch. You go in together all you stay out

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together. That is an easy, easy finish for Craig Hall. Couple of big

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moments in the game, then. Advantage grabbed by Craig Hall. And a chance

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here for Michael Dobson to make this a 12 point margin. 16-6 as it

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stands. Michael Dobson is quite phenomenal. He has hit the post

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without one, though, but 16-6. It might come back to haunt them. They

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have a man advantage and 810 point difference and Hull Kingston Rovers

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are sailing at the. Tom -- Jon Wilkin, that nervousness on the

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left-hand side. But hats off to Hull KR. They are attacking pretty well

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as well. 55 tries they have scored in the Super League. It is the fact

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they keep conceding that is their problem. Also, the Centre is a very

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specialised defensive position. you've got players playing out of

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position, Giles Jones plays second row, a difficult defensive position.

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Maybe, Young Percival will have to use the bench wisely. They will have

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to share the workload out. Saint Helens will have to work really hard

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with 12 people. But there are defence by Saint Helens. They have

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but Jordan Turner on the left-hand wing. They take all their time in

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left that will give to Saint Helens! Walked a scrum, take your time, good

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set of six. That has been missed by couple of weeks ago. And at the

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moment, well on course for a repeat here unless Saint Helens decide to

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be the master of miracles and pull something out of the hat here. Ten

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points the difference but a one-man That's the difference between a good

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and Paul kick: A great chase by James Green. An easy take. And bring

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at this. Easily inside the 40. It bounces. It bounces outside the 20.

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Helens who are hanging on by their fingernails in this Challenge Cup

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tie. Cannot afford to concede again. It is a very big hill but might just

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down now. Half-time. It is a penalty for Saint Helens. I am sure they

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will not take too much time over this. The whistle has sounded

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half-time. All they will want to do is put this ball out of play. Jon

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Wilkin will have a look around. He could have had the option of just

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tapping and kicking it out of touch, but they will go for final play now.

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It is going to go out of play. For the most part, Saint Helen's need to

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get themselves back in the game. Hull Kingston Rovers looking good at

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halftime, leading Saint Helens by talking to Robbie and heads into the

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dressing room. And it has been a very good first half for Hull KR who

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are 16-6 up on a Saint Helen's side who were down to 12 men. Down to 12

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men, and they have it all to do, haven't they? Yes. They have also

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had no possession, really. Apart from that, we have not seen any

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position. -- possession. I have to say, when we were watching from the

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studio, as soon as it happened, you said, red card! We thought, here

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comes they try. And then merrily absolutely hitting it. The referee

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knows it is high. It is the right decision. It has cost Hull KR a

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try. How do you deal, when you are down to 12 men, in chasing the

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game? You need to get the boys organised a little bit. Nathan has a

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chance now to organise them. It is probably more interesting for the

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attacking side. Allah they now attacked 12 men? It can create

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problems for both sides. Some fantastic comeback victories when

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some sites have been down to 12 some sites have been down to 12

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men. Let's go to the tries. Plenty to admire, actually. The guys in the

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commentary box mentioned how much ball they had. And this is a really

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delicate ball here. Dobson kicked very well, but they rush up. He

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reads that really well and puts his wing in. Continual field position

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and good kicking. There were plenty of big hits, even before the sending

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off. One of the big hits directly led to Hull KR's second try. It did.

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It is a really tough call for the Saint Helens Winger. The rules are

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that it will be a penalty with a shoulder charge. Again, they have an

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offload, and a little delicate, subtle play from the dummy half. He

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exposes the defender on the opposite side. It gets a 1-on-1 defence.

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looked like Saint Helens would not get into that game. Don't actually

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think they got into Hull KR's half, did they? For the first 20 minutes,

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they literally didn't. Eventually, when they did, they made the most of

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it. Great passing. They tried the same play that Hull KR scored off.

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And then it goes to Wilkin. And Gardner does it pretty easy. And we

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wondered about Michael Dobson, who was hobbling. He did, you took a big

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knock. He has been back in the last couple of weeks, but not sure

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whether it came to that. At that point, you was struggling. But

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Saints have not been up that end. When we saw merrily sent off, the

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other question we were asking, why did Craig Hall not pass the ball?

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Down to 12 men and you have to be patient. It is the runner outside

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the ballplayer that drags the defender in. And then, they are

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short on a winger. A little bit late to react. They need to be patient

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now. They don't need to go to an edge. They need to drag the defence

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in. This is where Dobson and Burns are going to have to play a classic

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game. They will have two commit a defender. They are talking about

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what they need to do now because their opposition got 12. 18 years

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since Saint Helens have gone out at this stage. If Hull KR are going to

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keep calm and not go like a ball and eight china shop, Michael Dobson

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will be keen in dictating their He will be hard to defend against.

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The scoreline tells us they are still in it, although they have a

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lot to do. They were going to put the big hits on, when they? They

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were. There are a lot more twists and turns in this game, without a

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doubt. One thing Saints have to do is to keep hold of the possession.

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Hopefully we are in for a great second half. It is a big year for

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rugby league on the BBC. It will culminate with the World Cup final.

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You will be able to watch it live. When you want to know about the

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World Cup and its history, there is only one man to turn to - Ray

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great British side did well. They won the trophy. The problem for me

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was that I had to find a television set to watch the game on. We didn't

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have one in was Street, but my auntie had one And Me, myself, my

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dad, we crowded into my Auntie's front room for the final. It was a

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great game. Great excitement, but it had a big problem. I have

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memories of it, but the best memory, I haven't. That's because every 12

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minutes the number for bus used to go past my aunty's house and it

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used to stop outside her house and there was interference. People will

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remember the screen would go white, like a blizzard. I never saw the

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try. The bus was there for three or four minutes. The next I saw was

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France kicking off when Graham Britain had taken the go and gone

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for the try. Let us hope there are no buses going past when we begin

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our were World Cup coverage! -- our work World Cup coverage! When you

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see that footage, do you get used bombs? -- do you get goose bumps?

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do. It's amazing. I can't wait for things to get going. I could not be

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happier with the group of players we have available. Obviously you

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watch all the games, but you must be watching more rugby then you

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have ever watched as every player tries to get into your squad?

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Absolutely. Everything is in place, like our training, hotels, travel.

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It is the players. You are right. I looked along the bench and saw

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James with his faults in a beat. That is quite worrying. -- with

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fit. They have. Crabtree had three operations and got himself into

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great shape. He started the season of really well. You will be able to

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see a World Cup Special on iPlayer. That man has got a big 40 minutes

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ahead of him now. This is not over because they have not had much ball.

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It is time now for the experienced players to step up and have a we be

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clinical kicking game. -- 8 really were happy with the announcement in

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the middle of their Hoddle. However, we are ready to go again. -- in the

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Meli was sent off for a very high tackle on Craig Hall. They have it

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in their DNA to recover lost causes, at St Helens. So we will not be

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when they have a full complement of players. They really need to roll

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their sleeves up now. Eden got in there to make a big tackle and a

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through. -- Neelie found a way had a crack at it. For technical

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reasons, we cannot hear from the video referee. Let us talk about it

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amongst ourselves. I think it is a try. That is my first reaction. It

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to make sure the grounding is Helens have found a way back into

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played. There are still 35 minutes held. He was being dragged to. --

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-- Wellens is back in the game again. Lance Hohaia got in the way

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Hodgson has got work to do. He come here. What do they do? Paterson

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steals the ball of welkin. Paterson took the ball of welkin! What a

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momentum changer. Hard trying to score on every play now. Solid in

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attack, solid in defence. Something will give again. Fifth tackle and 40

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metres away from his own line. They are looking for a good kick to

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finish again here. It might be the wind factor, but they are certainly

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starting their set with a little bit of wind pressure. How much work is

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loves coming to Hull Kingston Rovers! Great play by Saint Helens.

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What a start of the second half for Saint's! Percival just has to finish

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the play. Saw somebody on the ground, exploited that Ratko, Saints

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posted in numbers and had the getting away with a Challenge Cup

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win here. I think they have realised with a wind up their backs, it is

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very difficult to defend near your own goal-line. An early kick made

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Hull KR attack from distance. And now they are drifting, which makes

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it easier to defend with 12 men. first time Saint Helens have led

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today. And they do! 16 points for Hull Kingston Rovers, 18 for Saint

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Helens. Still plenty of begging to do, though. Takes the ball, sucks

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the two defenders in. Easy finish. And that is the Saint Helen 's

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chairman looking on. They will be looking for a good cup run. This

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Rovers back in possession here. happen themselves under pressure.

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minutes of the second half. A great and exciting game! The momentum was

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totally Saint Helens. Just throws a miracle pass. Behind for the first

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time, Hull Kingston Rovers. But what a position they find themselves in

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here! A St Helens line that assured opportunity was lost. Here's Dobson

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again now. Every time he hits the line, it is another ten, 15 steps

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before he is eventually stopped. Saint Helens hanging on again. And

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the way. Complete the sentence -- set and get a kick in and make the

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players looking tired now. A long way to go, though. 25 minutes, just

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under. And only one score is the difference here. A try to write the

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game off in the first half. And getting the one-man advantage. The

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here. It might have been knocked on. And another question is: Did he get

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the touchdown. I think he definitely got the touchdown. The question is

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was there a knock-on by a Hull KR player? The first knock-on was by

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Saint Helens. There is the first angle, just to make absolutely sure.

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It was a fabulous non-finish there. A fair finish. We are having a look

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at this again. Maybe he has not made a decision yet. Have a look at this.

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We know this probably doesn't matter in terms of whether it is a try or

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not. There's the Knockin. -- knock-on. Is he tried to see whether

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it goes backwards or not? This is the one in question. Yes, knock-on.

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Or does he go backwards? It would be very harsh on Saint Helens if your

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water that try. You can find any number of outcomes, but this one

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will be fairly straightforward here. He is going to tell us what that

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decision is in just a moment. Big moment in the game if this is given.

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will at least have the chance to have a go again. They put some big

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guns out there. Dobson can open up the fringes again. 24 minutes left

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to play. Hull Kingston Rovers are way through. They have set

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themselves up in a good position Kingston Rovers back in the lead!

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Again, it is the left-hand side defence for Saint Helens. Just

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Wellens defence, he takes the hook there. He just needed to move on.

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But it is easy to say difficult to do. 22-18 to Hull Kingston Rovers.

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The seasonal tips again back in their favour. Well Saint Helens have

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a response again here? Just over 20 minutes left to play. And nobody

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Eden. Just about hung on. In terms of an attacking runner, he had the

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potential to be as good as Billy the 5th. Here comes the last.

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Dobson is up there to make the tackle. He has plenty of support

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Dobson spinning it higher. Very make their way down the field. St

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Helens are down a man - 13 against well. Another important tackle from

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The referee is having a look. There are about 8,000 people here who are

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in disbelief. Definitely a few goes out of play, even though it

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did bounce. It is as we were, so to speak. Paul Wellens's instincts

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were at their best there, weren't they? He does get into the field of

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it is play on as well. Tackle one. So he has got away with it. Four

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get behind the ball. The players really being learned. -- being

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Helens. -- some really clever foot although to be fair, that is he's

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happy face and his sad face. -- according to the referee. Lance

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Hohaia gives him a calf around the so it is a penalty for Hull

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of the players's Psyche? It is a natural thing for them to do.

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a new penalty. We have outlawed the shoulder charge. Went the outside

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people are running at quite a pace, they can cause an impact and it is

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full-back. A tackle should have been made there. His team really

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needed that. Here is Dobson with a bit of momentum and since beat.

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He's trying to put St Helens back. on. Stuart Howarth is looking for

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the inside ball. Here is Wormsley again. -- Alex Walmsley again. What

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is stolen? Yes, it was. The referee said it was Yang's out. We need to

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see that again. -- it was appalled putting the high kicks up and

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causing trouble. That is the problem. They have to put a high

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ball Ong Greg Eden. -- they have to half minutes to play. The last

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tackle here. And Hull Kingston Rovers are very relieved. A bit more

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control with Dobson. Hull Kingston Rovers trying to force their way

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back downfield. A Wembley Challenge Cup final at stake. The very first

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step here today. The referee gave It's taken! The referee says yes!

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And how Kingston Rovers, 26-18 with ball down. Great dummy running

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there. Lovely little kick by Eden. A Helens now. We said that before.

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Here's Dobson. 26-18 the score at the moment. He's put it wide. A

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try, conversion and penalty might take us to extra time. This

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certainly was a crucial moment. Clever play by Greg Eaton. -- Eden.

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Never see Billy Slater doing that, do you? He very bravely took it.

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Three and a half minutes to go! They have to score twice and they need

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that ball back. The clock is with again. Her tackles, three minutes to

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go. It looks like Hull Kingston your opportunity. Is there a miracle

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back in the hands of Hull Kingston Rovers. Surely, that is it? Saint

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Helens a man short. Just running out of steam. Dobson has been named as

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man of the match. As voted for by her Majesty 's press. Michael

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Dobson, the official man of the match. Here's again. Last tackle. 40

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seconds left to play, and Dobson rolls it out of play. Michael

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Dobson, the Tetley's man of the match. The referee has not stopped

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the clock here, and I don't think Saint Helens are too bothered.

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has been a great effort by Saint Helens. After that definite red

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card, it has been an uphill struggle. But they've made it one

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hell of a struggle. The referee is just delaying the inevitable. 15

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seconds left to play. What's the point of him staying on the field?

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Red, red Robin is the anthem booming out of the terrace on the far side.

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The clock starts again. 15 seconds to go. Craig Hall kicks it out of

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play. This is it. Great win for Hull Kingston Rovers. The key point was

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that sending off. Just a little bit too much offensive skills for Saint

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Helens. They tried and played their best, but deservedly, Hull KR come

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out winners. The sending-off of Francis Meli was pivotal. A great

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response from Saints in the second half to get themselves into the lead

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at one stage, but Eden, Dobson, Salter making sure it is Hull

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Kingston Rovers who finally get through. So full-time, Hull Kingston

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Helens have gone out of the Challenge Cup in their opening

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round. Wigan the last side to knock deflating. But a win is a win. How

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keen was all start to the game? We didn't start very well. But pretty

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disappointed with that second half. How tough is it to play against 12

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men? People start of the playing a little bit. And we have to learn

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from that. How important is it for you to progress in this Challenge

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Cup? Massive. This is the first step in a long road. Congratulations,

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match. And there are the scores. You can see. A tight game between

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Sheffield and Dewsbury there as well. Just two points in it. The

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draw for the fifth round you can hear on BBC radio five live, half

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past three on Monday afternoon. And the next round you will be able to

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see live with us here on BBC1. 2:15 tough to you. I had my work cut out

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today. Just happy that the boys, though. They worked really hard.

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tough was that second half? Saints are a quality side. Full credit to

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them. But I am so proud of the boys are hanging in there and getting a

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win in the end. And a fantastic atmosphere. The fans here are

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amazing. I can't thank them enough. They are here every week, supporting

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us. A big thank you to the fans. Go get yourself patched up! A very

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happy dressing room, obviously. And so it should be! Saint Helens

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overcame a sticky period. And they should be pleased. A great boost for

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them as a team and club. Hopefully, they can go even further in the

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competition. That is a victorious dressing room, and that is the away

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dressing room. Can you guess what Nathan Brown may be saying?

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talked about the proud history of the club. He would be saying, we had

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opportunities in the second half. It was about opportunities they

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missed. A couple of opportunities where they had space or where they

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could have made an extra tackle. I think your talk about the focus on

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what they need to do for the rest of the season because their season has

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not finished. Michael Dobson may have got man of the match, but let's

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look at the man who was instrumental. That space there that

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has been opened up. To all four points in the game at that stage.

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Are we giving him credit for this cake? We didn't think the kick was

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on, but we thought his instincts were good. He finds space and

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creates opportunities. That was a brave act. I thought state -- Saints

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were starting to come home. Don't forget, his kicking in the first

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half was meticulous. Saints had closed down at play in essence. Had

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