Episode 19 Super League Show


Episode 19

Harry Gration presents the best of the action from round 19 of the Engage Super League. Including Warrington Wolves v St Helens and Wigan Warriors taking on Huddersfield Giants.


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Shirts to do the same. So if de Thaksin Shinawatra's sister wins,

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will you accept she has a legitimate mandate to govern?

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would say that she gets the first shot at governing the country,

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because she has already said she will not work with this or that

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party, so the numbers will determine who will form the

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government. If any party wins the most number of seats it gets the

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first shot. Obviously if it wins an outright majority all these

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questions are academic. Dear leader she wins a majority and forms a

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government, do you believe that government will, in essence, be

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controlled by her brother Thaksin Shinawatra? They are already

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campaigning on that - that somehow he will be in control and the

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priority will be to whitewash him. She says that she is considering a

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general amnesty and that... I think that comes after there has been a

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strong reaction against the proposal made earlier by a party

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member assigned to do this work that there will be a push to bring

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Thaksin Shinawatra back. But she is not saying that. Back I have spoken

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to her myself, she says they will be no special treatment for toxins

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in a white truck... Does that mean everyone on corruption charges will

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be whitewashed? I am asking you to tell me how you would react if

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Thaksin Shinawatra was able to come back. I am telling you that if

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Perse -- her party came out and said they would whitewash and there

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would be a strong reaction against it, so they are now going for a

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general amnesty. Airlines are expected to resume

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flights between Australia and New Zealand on Monday after a five-day

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disruption caused by an ash cloud from Puyehue-Cordon-Caulle volcano

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out of Chile. Hundreds of flights were cancelled. Some normality was

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restored a few days later but the cash came back again, causing many

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cancellations on Wednesday. China and Vietnam have again

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pledged to solve their dispute over the South China Sea through

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negotiation. Diplomats from both sides met in Beijing on Saturday

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but no details of the meeting were released. The countries have a

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history of territorial disputes, but they have recently become much

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more hostile. The President of Sudan, Omar al-

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Bashir, who is wanted by the Criminal Court on crimes against

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humanity, arrives in China in a few hours for a state visit. China is

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the largest buyer of the country's oil, and they have called the visit

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"reasonable". Omar al-Bashir it is standing against charges of war

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crimes. The ethnic Chinese population in

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Paris say they are being systematically attacked and robbed

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of which is driving them to seek greater police protection.

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Community leaders say that at least one robbery is being committed

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every day, often with violence. This is corroborated by city

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officials. This man runs a successful business,

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a driving school. He has been viciously attacked twice and had

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his nose broken. TRANSLATION: This kind of attack

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happens all the time, especially to Asians. My wife had her mobile

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phone stolen at least five times. Every day people are being attacked

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and beaten. These photographs were taken after the muggings. He showed

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me more than 80 police reports of attacks in less than a year. Many

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victims don't go to the police because they are illegal immigrants.

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The problem has become so bad that thousands of members of this

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normally shy community have been out on the streets calling for

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tougher policing. They are regularly attacked. Especially

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Chinese people - not because of racist reasons, but because

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criminals haiminals hartunity to earn money easily because Chinese

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people often carry cash - a lot of cash. Many Chinese people run shops

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or restaurants so they tend to be relatively prosperous. Officials

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say their attackers are often of immigrant descent themselves, from

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other communities. What is really shocking is that this is happening

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not in the notoriously violent suburbs, but here in Paris itself.

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In an area which, until a couple of years ago, was held up as a model

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of multicultural harmony. Now the police say they have put more

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officers on the streets but budgets are limited. Residents say they are

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not here when their owners needed - at night when the streets are

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deserted. -- when they are most needed. Victims say the muggings

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are becoming more violent and people are fed up with living in

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fear. You have news about the apparent

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demise of a notorious group of computer hackers?

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It is an unexpected development. This is a group of computer hackers

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which targeted major websites around the world and has now

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announced it is disbanding. It gained attention due to its high-

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profile targets and the sarcastic videos on its site. They have not

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given a reason for quitting, but they are being investigated by the

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FBI and Scotland Yard, which just last week arrested a British

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teenager as part of the inquiry. A senior security adviser of an

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internet security firm believes they faltered because the pressure

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was getting to them. I think it is fair to assume that with he turned

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up after going after several major corporations -- heat.... There are

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a lot of people looking for them. In the last few weeks, rival groups

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on the internet have been annoyed by these guys and have been tried

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to find out their identities and reveal them to the public and

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potentially to law enforcement. It may be that they heat was getting a

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little too hot and they decided to exit.

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There have been violent clashes in the Argentine capital of Buenos

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Aires following the relegation of the River Plate football club for

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the first time in its 110 year history. Fans clashed with riot

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police outside the stadium. An ugly end to River Plate's worst-ever

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season. These violent scenes at the end of the match reveal a club in

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turmoil, on and off the pitch. This was again which River Plate had to

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win by two clear goals to avoid the drop in to division before the

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first time in their long and illustrious history. -- division B.

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The match was held with tight security, and River Plate fans soon

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had something to celebrate. A powerful drive just six minutes

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into the match suggested that one of Argentina's great first teams

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may still pull off a great escape. In the second half the equaliser

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came to seal River Plate's fate and plunge them into the second year of

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Argentine football. A late penalty miss only compounded the misery --

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second here. -- second level. Water cannons were fired into the stands

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as River Plate's disillusioned supporters vented months of

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frustration at what they see as serious mismanagement by the club's

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hierarchy. The violence then spilled onto the streets around the

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stadium. Tear-gas was used and riot police were deployed. Some shops in

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the centre of the city were attacked and dozens of injuries

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have been reported. River Plate must now rebuild - a relegated team

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with a damaged reputation. You have been watching Newsday.

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The headlines: The Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao says that China

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will help European countries experiencing financial difficulties.

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During a visit to Britain he said that China has increased its

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investment in government bonds from some EU countries, demonstrating

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Beijing's continuing confidence in the eurozone.

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That's all from us from London and Singapore. There is much more on

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our website. It has been a day of contrasts

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today. For many we have seen some sunshine and it has been the

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warmest day of the year so far. 29.2 degrees is the top temperature

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in London. Cool and cloudy with rain into Scotland and Northern

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Ireland. Temperatures here down to 17 degrees. As we head into Monday

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it looks as though the humidity will rise yet again and it will

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turn thundery later today because of the heat. We sit with the blue

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skies to start across England and Wales to start. Scotland and

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Northern Ireland cloudy with some scattered showers abound. We will

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start dry across Wales with sunshine and a mild start to the

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day. A gentle breeze across Northern Ireland and dry to start.

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Across Scotland also largely dry and fairly cloudy for Monday

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morning. We have some remnants of the weak weather front across the

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south-eastern areas of Scotland. To the south of that the warm air will

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push northwards and the two will collide, triggering some heavy

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showers through Monday. For most on Monday you can see across England

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it is clear, blue skies. 24 degrees the temperature we start with in

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London. It goes up from there. We will start the day with some

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showers affecting the south-western part of England. These showers will

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advance north-east, perhaps pushing into Wales through the day. Then

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they showers will break out across south-east Scotland and towards the

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north-east of England as well. We will see another spell of showers

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pushing up from the near continent. They might have a bit of a

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lightning display. High teens across Scotland and Ireland. In

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England we could get up to 30 degrees - very hot indeed. The hot

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weather for south-eastern England is likely to trigger some showers

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as we head through Monday evening. Thunderstorms from the east and

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some torrential downpours. They will push eastwards as we go

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through the early hours of Tuesday. The yellow and green showing some

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intense downpours, and this is where the humidity will be. You can

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see 18-19 in the east and cooler for the west - 9-13 degrees. In

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Tuesday we will lose the last of those showers in the east. Then we

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are into a fresh air mass on Tuesday. Temperatures in the high

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teens-mid-20s. Largely dry on Tuesday with spells of sunshine.

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 59 seconds

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For the rest of the week it will be This is BBC News. The headlines:

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The Chinese Prime Minister has said that China will lend a helping hand

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to European countries experiencing financial difficulties. During a

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visit to Britain he said that China had continuing confidence in the

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eurozone and acknowledged that China's trade surplus was bad for

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global stability. Rebels in western Libya say they

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are consolidating their position near to Tripoli. Rebels in eastern

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area say that they are ready to discuss a political settlement with

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the government in Tripoli if Colonel Gaddafi and his circle

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leave power. The trial of the four surviving

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senior members of the Khmer Rouge has begun in the capital, Phnom

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Penh. The defendants face charges of genocide, crimes against

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humanity and war crimes over the best of 2 million people during Pol

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Pot's regime in the 70s. -- the death of.

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The Education Secretary has warned that teachers in England and Wales

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taking strike next Thursday will harm the reputation of their

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profession. Thousands of teachers are expected to walk out over

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changes to their pensions. Michael Gove says the action would be a

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mistake. They do not look like they are

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angry and planning for the ultimate action. Some of the teachers at

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this gathering in Surrey know they are on the brink of a mass walkout.

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They are among 750,000 workers who believe the march against the cuts

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was not enough. They are planning industrial action on Thursday,

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which could shut down the school system. It is something the

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Education Secretary believes parents will find it hard to

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forgive. Let's not have the sort of militancy that will disturb family

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life for hundreds of thousands of across the country and will mark a

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retrograde step for the profession. It's the dispute is over pensions.

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The Government believes that population changes make the current

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arrangements arms that -- unsustainable and a new deal on

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public sector pensions is crucial, especially if numbers are to adopt

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on reducing the deficit. But the teaching unions claimed the

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proposals mean paying more in and maybe getting less out when

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retirement comes. One has accused the Government of stealing. If the

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Government gets away with doing a Robert Maxwell on our pensions,

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there will be no honourable teaching profession. Good teachers

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will not want to enter the profession because it will not be

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worth it. Union negotiators are due here tomorrow to meet with the

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Cabinet Office minister Francis Maude. For the Association of

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Teachers and Lecturers is the first time in over 100 years that its

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members have gone on a national strike. But the Government has

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little room to manoeuvre on this. Rewriting the pensions funds, it

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says, it is a key part of its deficit reduction plan.

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That's it from me but now it is time for HARDtalk.

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Thailand's divisions are defined by colour. These range jetted

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opponents of the current government are followers of former Prime

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Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, ousted five years ago in a military coup.

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He has since been convicted of corruption and lives in Dubai. But

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his shadows still hangs over it Thai politics. Not least because

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his younger sister, Yingluck Shinawatra, is now leading the main

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opposition party into the elections. Though a political novice, she

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could beat Thailand's next Prime Minister. She would not sit down

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for a HARDtalk into view but I did manage to grab a few words. How

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confident are you of winning this election? I am confident. But there

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are still more -- two more weeks to go. We have to visit more people.

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We have to make sure that our policy has been explained. What is

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your basic message to the Thai people? We will help them to

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improve the wealth of the country. That is the way to generate income.

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Our policy is good for all people. Do you want your brother to come

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back to Thailand? My first priority will be to help the country. My

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brother would not get any benefits, special benefits. He will get the

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same as anybody. I will not set the policy for my family. I was set the

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policy for solving pylon's polis -- problems. Many of your supporters

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and many of the Red Shirts want to see your brother come home. If you

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are the leader, you could do that. I have to do the country benefit

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first. Thank you very much. Wander around the streets of

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central Bangkok and by day, amid all of the traffic and the high-

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rise construction and the shopping malls, and you get a sense of a

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fast-growing Asian economy. And yet just one year ago, these very

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streets were the scene of a bitter confrontation between protesters

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and the Thai army. Just over there you can see a building that is

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still under repair, having been burnt out a year ago. More than 90

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people were killed in that violence. The question is, could it happen

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again? My guest today is the Prime Minister of Thailand, Abhisit

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Vejajjiva. Could Thailand's development be derailed by

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Prime Minister Abhisit Vejajjiva, welcome to HARDtalk. Pleasure.

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Thailand's recent history has been disfigured by military coups, and

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political violence. Do you accept that this coming election is a

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massive test of Thailand's commitment to democracy? It is a

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test for that. I am confident that the country will prove to the rest

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of the world that our democracy is maturing and is resilient. You talk

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about the history of Thailand, having troubled political ties. We

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have also proven that the Thai economy has been remarkably

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resilient. We have turned things around from the impact of the

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global financial crisis very quickly. We have got very low

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unemployment. All indicators are showing the strength and stability

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of the economy. Sure. But the markets are also desperate to see

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long-term stability. I would say that right now they are not

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convinced. There is uncertainty. There is uncertainty every time

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there is an election because there is competition. There is an

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atmosphere of uncertainty in the markets. But after the elections

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things will become clearer. Yes. An interesting comment. The truth is,

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the opinion polls seem to have a clear message in the run-up to the

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elections. That is, you enjoy Democrat Party are behind. Why is

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that? We are slightly behind. I think we suffer like all government

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suffer in times where people face higher prices. They look to the

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government to help them. But we are taking our message out. We're

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saying that there is a lot we are already doing to help them in terms

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of subsidising cooking gas, making sure that diesel price does not get

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out of control. At the same time we have got concrete policies to

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increase people's income, the minimum wage... Let me stop you

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there. You have just mentioned a series of policy which struck me as

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reminiscent of the former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

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Appealing to the poor. The difference is that you do not

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appear to succeed. That is not true. Everybody needs to work for the

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people. The poor are the ones who need help first. When we address

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the economic crisis a couple of years ago, it was clear that our

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programme was designed to help the most vulnerable. Here is what one

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very senior Thai politicians said to me about you. He said, the

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problem is, Abhisit Vejajjiva never looked comfortable when he is in a

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rice paddy. Well... You find it difficult to connect with the poor

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rural Thai people. I find that odd. This is the eight election campaign

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I have been involved in. I need a lot of people, rural people mostly.

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You should have followed me out there. I thought you would come

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with me. You will see how we can get. It is not easy when you are

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very educated, have that sort of elite background. But I have spent

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20 years with the people. As soon as I graduated, I spent a year

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working at a university. When I was old enough the first thing I did

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was to run for a seat in Parliament. Ever since, all of my work has been

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connected with people. That is why it people understand that the

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programmes that we have implemented are not the ones they want to lose.

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But maybe they want a sense of radicalism that you are not able to

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offer. There is, it seems, a feeling in this country that the

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gap between rich and poor is simply too wide. You should look at the

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numbers. For the first time when we have economic crisis, we have

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engineered a recovery for the poor. It seems to me that what is at

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stake in these were let -- election is a tide judgement on five

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tumultuous years, going back to their 2006 Coupe, then the troubled

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history of Thaksin Shinawatra and the red shirts and everything that

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has come over those five years. I would like to ask you, do you

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regret any of the things you have done as leader of your party and

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Prime Minister with regard to the Red Shirts? Your decision to

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confront them? If you look at the to use that I have been through, I

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never started these confrontations. -- two years. I offered solutions.

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I negotiated. I made solid proposals about early elections at

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least three times. Every single time it was turned down because

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there was nothing for Thaksin Shinawatra, particularly by the

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amnesty, the red shirts, had elements of violence. You have

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accused them of terrorism? That was after they engaged with armed

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groups of people, firing and watching grenades at people and

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officials. But my point is this. I made solid offers about early

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elections, about how we might move the country for wit and address the

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inequality issue. Every time it was rejected because there was nothing

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for Thaksin Shinawatra. The bottom line is, that is what they want on

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the top of their agenda. The Red Shirts have been manipulated. We

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are trying to engage them into a dialogue. My point about the

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violence is this. You talk about the violence of the Red Shirts. Let

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us not forget there was also violence in 2008 sparked by the

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yellow shirts. They took over two of Thailand's airports. They

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besieged and attack the Prime Minister's office. There was a lot

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of violence before you came to power. What many critics of your

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government says, look at what Prime Minister Abhisit Vejajjiva has done

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to the Red Shirts. He has locked many of them are. Look at what he

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has done to the yellow shirts. He has not overseen the conviction and

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locking up of any of them. This is all according to the due process of

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law. I have not interviewed with any of these cases. All I have said

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is that they should speed things up. I have instructed the police and

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all of the agencies concerned that they should move these cases

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forward as best they can. Why do you believe they have moved so much

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quicker? The cases against the Red Shirts back in 2007 are probably

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more slow or as low as the yellow shirts in 2008. The reasons why

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recent cases in recent events have been faster is because most of the

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arrests were made on the spot. Whereas with the events of 2007-

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hour wait is over stop the investigations need to probe into

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the witnesses and so on. Could it be that there are some people

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inside the Democrat Party who joined the yellow shirts? Could

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that be a factor? I do not think so. I have instructed the police that

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they should move ahead. My Foreign Minister has been charged. There is

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no discrimination. Let me ask you about a basic truth in Thai

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politics. Thaksin Shinawatra was convicted of corruption. He went

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into self-imposed exile. Is it not true that Thaksin Shinawatra is

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still a spectre who hangs over this country and in particular over your

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political future? He has been Prime Minister for 5-6 years. A very

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dominating figure in politics. He almost silenced the opposition. He

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continues to dominate. Of course there has been some good things he

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has done. Those are programmes that I have no hesitation in continuing

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his they benefit the people. But that does not take away from the

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fact that on his record there are corruption charges and convictions,

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accusations of human rights abuse. Accusations of terrorism by some

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close to you. Do you believe that Thaksin Shinawatra is responsible

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for Quote unquote terrorism? He is responsible for inciting the red

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shirts to come. There are good reasons to believe that the

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violence that took place was something that he was well aware of

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and did not stop. Where does that leave Thailand today? The poll say

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that the party Pheu Thai Party led by his sister its may win this

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election. That is for the Thai people to decide. They will make

:29:38.:29:48.
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that decision and we will respect We will all respect that decision?

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Are you confident that is true. So if Yingluck Shinawatra wins, you

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will accept she has a legitimate Mandrake to govern this country?

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will say that she has the first shocked -- mandate. She has already

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said she will not work with this or that party, so the numbers will

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dictate who forms the government. If any party wins the most number

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of seats it gets there first shop. If it wins an outright majority

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these questions are academic -- shot. Do you believe that if she

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wins a majority that the government will, in essence, be controlled by

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her brother Thaksin Shinawatra? Well, they are already campaigning

:30:40.:30:44.

that somehow he will be in control and their priority is to whitewash

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him. She says that she is considering a general amnesty and

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that it will... I think that comes after there has been a strong

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reaction over the proposal made earlier by her party that there

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will be a law passed to bring Thaksin Shinawatra back. She is not

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saying that... The first thing she assigned on this issue... I spoke

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to her myself... She said that there will be no special treatment

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bought Thaksin Shinawatra... Does that mean that everybody who is on

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corruption charges will be whitewashed? I am asking you how

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you would react about the general amnesty. The pure Thai party came

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out and spoke clearly that they intended to whitewashed Thaksin

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Shinawatra -- Pheu Thai Party. he is allowed to come back, do you

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believe the army will accept it? hope that whoever wins the

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elections would not put his interests before the people's and

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the country's. I would strongly advise against such a move. It

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would bring instability and more conflict. It is the last thing

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people need. People on their issues addressed. Issues about high prices,

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about drugs. We should work to make sure there is a government to

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address those issues rather than stick with Thaksin Shinawatra's

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politics. You are being diplomatic and entering in your own way, but I

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think the people would like an answer - you think there is bound

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to be political instability if an effort is made to bring Thaksin

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Shinawatra back to this country. think, and I am saying this to the

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people of Thailand and the rest of the world, we should not encourage

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a government who puts one man's interest before the people's. We do

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not want it to happen and we hope on 3rd July the Thai people will

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show was it is not what they want. I spoke to the former Thai Prime

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Minister on this issue and he said that he hoped that the army would

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not intervene in the case of eight Pure type of position victory. --

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Pheu Thai Party opposition victory. It was a different situation. I

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came out against the group. I was probably the first leader in

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Thailand to come out against the coup. So they should not for one

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second consider intervention, if Yingluck Shinawatra and the pure

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Thai party win this election? is right. Let strengthen our

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democracy. -- pure Type party. had the cheek of the army going on

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television a few nights ago and saying - this is a quote - I want

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to tell the media, do not cause problems for this country. Do you

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think that sort of relationship between the military, public life

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and politics is acceptable? -- the chief of the military. You have to

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put things in perspective. We have an independent commission who is

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overseeing it. Why does the army need to run television... We passed

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a law that will now set up a commission that will we allocate

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these natural resources... This has got to change. You have said to the

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army - you will not be a dominant figure any more in the media. Would

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you like to take this opportunity to tell the army chief that he

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should not be going on television making veiled threats? I think that

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is very unfair on what he said. We have got stations and parts of the

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media, some people here in Thailand call it a fake media, which are

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inciting people to violence. That is the kind of activity he is

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warning about. Is that why you close down 13 community radio

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stations, which Human Rights Watch said was another egregious example

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of censorship in this country? station has been closed for its

:35:26.:35:30.

political views. Well, they all happened to be sympathetic to the

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Red Shirts. So many media sensitive to the Red Shirts are not... It is

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a remarkable coincidence - 13 radio stations and all of them were

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sympathetic. They were inciting violence against the state. I think

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many of them seemed to fall foul of the latest Majesty laws, didn't

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they? Me at is part of the Criminal Code and security law. -- that his

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our part. Just for those who were not familiar with the majesty laws,

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let's remind ourselves - article 112 of the criminal code says that

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whether the fames, insults or threatens the king, queen, era

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apparent, will be subject to imprisonment up to 15 years. Do you

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think that, when we are talking about reforming high society, that

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law needs to be looked at and changed? It is certainly being

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looked at in the form of making sure that enforcement of that law

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is not being abused. I set up a special advisory council to look

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into this because I think, in the past, the law had been either

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abused or too liberally interpreted. You say you are considering reforms

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and you have a committee looking at it, when reporters Without borders,

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a campaign group looking at press freedom, they say this law has been

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used to target all media that is close to or support the opposition.,

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that is not true. You have to look at the context. They're not being

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taken to court, they are not being prosecuted because of political

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views. It is hard to take your position seriously when so many

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independent observers from outside, and I quote ahead of human Rights

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Watch Asia, they say that you have become the most fervent sense that

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in recent high history. That is not true. When I was in the opposition

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are hardly had in the media space during Thaksin Shinawatra's time.

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These days you see opposition figures on newspapers, television,

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radio all the time. We cannot tolerate comments that incite

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violence or violate laws. Is it time, and this law is about doing

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damage to the king and his family, is it time to have an open and

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transparent debate about the future of the constitutional monarchy in

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this country's which is why I set up this special committee. -- this

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is why I set up the special committee. That is why. I am

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talking about the former Prime Minister - he says that, frankly,

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the mark and the people around him are revered and respected, but they

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have to learn that respect and it is time to be more open about the

:38:23.:38:28.

way the monarchy is run. And we are saying that these kind of

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discussions are OK. You want a full and frank discussion... To the rest

:38:36.:38:40.

of the world, first of all you have to make a distinction between

:38:40.:38:45.

academic opinions and political opinions about the role of the

:38:45.:38:51.

monarchy and comments that basic week are wild allegations that

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caused damage -- that basically our wild allegations. The monarchy has

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no self-protection mechanism. We don't want them to be party to

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conflict with the people. That is why this law exists. We want to

:39:07.:39:13.

make sure the law is not abused. The work towards that goal began

:39:13.:39:17.

during my government. Before we end, let's look forward for a few days.

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Neither of us can be sure how this election will turn out. It will

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probably be very close. I talked at the beginning about the history of

:39:26.:39:29.

political instability in this country. Do you fear there may be

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more instability? More violence after the selection? I know there

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are people who are willing to use violence and cause instability. I

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will do all I can to make sure it doesn't happen and I am confident

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that Thai democracy and Thai society and the people in Thailand

:39:49.:39:54.

will Brussels to be resilient. you will do all you can even if you

:39:54.:40:00.

lose? -- will prove to be. And if you win - you have talked about

:40:00.:40:03.

reform and your intentions to reform - how profound will the

:40:03.:40:09.

change be in the next 4-5 years Abhisit Vejjajiva is Prime

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Minister? I been I will tackle all the structural issues. Including

:40:14.:40:21.

the military? Well, the military - you mention that - it is funny.

:40:21.:40:25.

They have been dominating in some security policies in the south

:40:25.:40:28.

during Thaksin Shinawatra's years. We changed that and they co-

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operated. The work has already begun. I will move the country

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forward and tackle the more difficult issues, structural issues.

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Once that I didn't have sufficient time in my first termtoo. Five

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years, to face. Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva - thank you for

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:40:56.:41:12.

Abhisit Vejjajiva - thank you for being on HARDtalk.

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Many places have had heatwave conditions and they continue today.

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Very humid today, it will trigger some heavy thunderstorms. Scotland

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and Northern Ireland is cloudy with patchy rain. A hot it comes

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northwards and it will trigger some heavy showers. England and Wales

:41:29.:41:34.

start hot and sunny. Showers in the south-west. This hot weather

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extends up the eastern coast to Yorkshire and Lincolnshire. The

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highs are in the 30s. As we head through Monday evening they

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humidity Klein's in the south-east and will draw up some showers. --

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she admitted he climbs. Some hail and thunder may be likely from this.

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