Episode 5 Super League Show


Episode 5

Highlights and analysis from the fifth round of the Super League. Including Leeds Rhinos v St Helens, Huddersfield v Bradford, Wigan v Castleford and Hull KR v Warrington.


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Hello. It was one of those weeks where just about every match in

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Round 5 had an incredible story attached to it. Rugby League

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proving itself to be unpredictable. Iestyn Harris and Robbie Hunter-

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Paul are here to make sense of the week's events. Here's what's coming

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It's a battle in black and white as Hull FC travel to Widnes Vikings.

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There's a clash of the Super League titans as St Helens host Leeds. And

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going back to the beginning. Wigan's Sean O'Loughlin finds his

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We start with the developments at Salford, whose coach Phil Veivers

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was relieved of his duties on Sunday. The City Reds have lost

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four of their opening five games, and have won just once since the

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end of July. Robbie, you're a former Salford player. They have a

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new ambitious owner. This is not surprising. To be honest, you would

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expect something like this to be on the cards. At this time of the

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season, you always tend to see something is going to happen. Maybe

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the supporters are calling for it, maybe they have some body lined up.

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That's the big question. I am a little bit surprised. You have to

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have a huge sympathy for Phil Veivers. He had no squad and could

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not recruit anybody. It's very, very harsh in my opinion. He had a

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lot to deal with it. The club were in administration for months and

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months. No recruitment. It's very difficult, there's a lot of doubt

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between the players. A lot of his time would been spent giving them

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confidence to keep working because the season was coming around. Five

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games in and he lost his job. I think it's very hard. I feel for

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Salford did not look great, did they? No, they didn't. There wasn't

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a lot in the game between the two sides. We played London last week.

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They played extremely well in that game and started to find some form.

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They are going to score plenty of points. Phil did not deserve to

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lose his job after this. They won last week and should have had more

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confidence going into this. Going into this one, I think they had a

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bit of disruption. Jodi was stuck in traffic. They had to make some

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last minute changes. That type of thing never helps the team in their

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preparations going into a match. Jodi was the player of the season

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last year and does a lot of work coming in off the edge. A great

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player. Yes, you can expect them to grow a bit. Maybe there was some

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uncertainty hanging over the club which rubbed off on the players

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themselves. Maybe this is not as big a shock as we think. Maybe

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these things have been going on in the system and at the start of the

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Who next? That's a very difficult question. The usual suspects. It's

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a good job to get. You would expect a big name? A big name? There's

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plenty of big-name players being bandied around. You would expect a

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big-name coach to come in. It's going to be a difficult job because

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they are a club who want instant success. To get instant success,

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you have got to work at it. Machin will want to do the World

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Cup Down Under. Yes, he wants to do the world Cup and then Super League

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is an option for him. There is a lot of work to do. They want some

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stability there and to get some performances in the next few weeks

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before they think about the long- term future. I bet his CV is going

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to Salford. Widnes fans have finally had the chance to see Kevin

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Brown in their famous black and white colours. The former

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Huddersfield half back made his injury-delayed debut for the

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Vikings on Saturday night, when Hull were the visitors to the

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Stobart Stadium. Widnes coach Denis Betts was delighted to have Brown

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available, but remained a little cautious. The boost of Kevin Brown

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coming into the side is going to be huge. You have got to be careful

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about what impact he is going to have. He will have impact on the

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side. He has not played for a long time. He has been out of the

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training environment for a couple of months because of his ankle

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injury. It's going to take time for him to bed in. He will be a big

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their first home win of this new season. It is a Hull side looking

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to recover from the second half capitulation against Warrington

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last week. Kevin Brown makes his long awaited debut for Widnes

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on the ball in these early stages so a big test for them. Here is

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Danny Hutton from dummy half. He has kept it alive. They are

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queueing up. It's a question of who. He gets the night's first try. It

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was all too easy here for Hull. Warner does well to get in the way.

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Westerner takes his chance. Here is Clarke. It has been lively stuff so

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far, hasn't it? Magner looking wider still. Into the hands of

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Paddy Flynn, who is over. Crashing in, Paddy Flynn. Try confirmed.

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Widnes had their response. Flynn with a very good finish given the

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number of defenders there trying to Danny Hutton. Squeezing into the

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left-hand side. Second try for Hull. Looks like they are meaning

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business here tonight. They have silenced this home crowd. One of

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their close season signings with of this defence. It is intercepted

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here by Paddy Flynn. Not so much as intercepted as thrown to him. The

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chase is on. Flynn moves away and scores a length of the field to try

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to send the home crowd into raptures. Apart from a 90 minutes

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or so he had to run, this was a gift. Just thrown into his hands by

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Seymour. Paddy Flynn had to put his foot down and finish. A really good

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chase. He came a long way but could not quite get there. Flynn, with

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Hull. You can see that two of them standing shoulder to shoulder. You

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can't do that. He gets a penalty. Gareth Hock. Terrific. Phelps with

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the corner. Has he got there? We remember last season. The corner

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flag was not in play but look at the end. But here Gareth Hock gets

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the opening in the first place. Was this a good enough finish? The feet

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again. Where is it coming down? Into the hands of Chris Dean. Kevin

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Brown's kick. Dean with the catch. Flat footed. There were plenty in

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white but what a determination from side. Kevin Brown has gone down and

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he looks to be in a bad way. Have a look at this. Johnson's swinging

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leg accidentally caught Kevin Brown and it looks like he might have

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played his last here. That is worrying for Denis Betts that his

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big signing is being helped off. Clarke. It is another chance. It is

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another try for Phelps. Second of the night for him. Three tries

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unanswered in the second half for Widnes. They are moving closer and

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closer to the promised land of pace. And a good finish, too. They

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are having a look again here. Obstruction. Was the defender

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jumping into the attacker there? Horne appeared around the back of

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it. Phil Bentham. They are going to roll this on to the ground. The

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referee looks like he's happy with the obstruction. This should be a

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Hull try. It is, and they are back in the game again. Here is Clarke.

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Cross standing to his right. He wants that ball. He pushes a couple

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away. He is over! Again, there is a question to be posed about the

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grounding this time. That looks OK. And the try is confirmed. It was

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less than OK here. It was Hull's a go from dummy half. Hull hanging

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on, just about keeping him at bay. Gareth Hock looks like he might

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have got the ball over. The referee is not sure. Have a look at the

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ground, he says. Double movement is a possibility. Gareth Hock again, a

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bundle of energy as he reaches for the line. Desperately trying to

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keep him away. Was that a double moment? The referee says no. Gareth

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Hock has his try and confirmation that witness will have their first

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A cracking win, Iestyn. A very good win, they finished bottom of the

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pile last year, two wins this time, moving forward. They look as though

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they have improved from the season before. It is looking positive for

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them. First game back, a nasty ankle injury. Very tough for Widnes,

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especially Kevin, looking at the social media, a lot of the players

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were wishing him the best of luck. An operation during the off-season,

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first game back. A marquee player, like they mention. Obviously going

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into the game, he was unlucky, the next one around, it's the ankle,

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really bad, and I think it is the same one he had the operation on in

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the first place, so I am disappointed for him. Iestyn, we

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saw the good and not so good side of Gareth Hock. A mercurial player.

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On his day, he is very good, look at the float, that is him at his

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best. We know he can do that. He does have a tendency to give away

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silly penalties, but it is a very good signing for the club. He is

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one of the players who can score Peter Gentle was extremely damning

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of his players afterwards, some familiar faces making the same

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mistakes, time to bring in players who will get the message. Tough

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words. He is setting out his stable, saying, guys, you have got to step

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up. Missing two marquee players, he has got it tough, Gareth Ellis back

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from Down Under, injured in the opening game, during the warm-up,

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and that is a big hole in their side. But he expects more from the

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players he has got at the moment. If you look at the statistics, they

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got out to a great start, they let the game slip from them, and that

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is really disappointing. Seymour was involved in a car crash at the

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weekend, his injuries are not thought to be life-threatening, but

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we wish him a speedy recovery. Hull KR were hoping for an improvement

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on the early form, one win from four, Warrington travelled east,

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and it was the result of the They have been under pressure, Hull

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KR, they have been feeling it internally, so this is a great win

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for them. Warrington hit back, licking their wounds a little bit,

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a few players out, but they have still got some great players,

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They had enough players to win the game, so they will be disappointed,

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Warrington did take the lead, but Hull KR just took over, didn't

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they? What a difference a week makes, off the back of last weekend,

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there were calls for the manager to go, but he has been able to turn

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them around. Hull KR, traditionally over the last few years, they have

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been unpredictable at the beginning of the season, then they come

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They defended really strongly. defended really well, to get to the

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top eight, you have to have He is very calm, a very experienced

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A mixed weekend for the whole clubs, we are three games into our review.

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Huddersfield Giants enjoyed four from four to get their weekend off

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to a flying start, but it did not Bradford got off to a dream start

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at the John Smith Stadium against half minutes gone at the John Smith

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Stadium, and the Bradford Bulls their first points of the afternoon.

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It looks like Joe Wardle has scored thanks to this close finish, but

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what a try for the Bradford Bulls, over, it looks like he has just

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Carney sold the dummy and went over. The try has been given! Bradford's

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momentum continued into the second half, the Giants' backline easily

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area, and the Giants look like they have put this one down, and they

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have, try given. Is the comeback on? Any hopes of a late surge was

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with a hat-trick. A great win for the Bradford Bulls, and an end to

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A great win that was being described for Bradford. A great win,

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not to put it into context, Bradford turned up on the day and

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were really hungry. I think he must have had a word about their

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performance the week before against Saint Helens, they were a different

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team today, so respectful of the ball. Huddersfield did not, they

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made a lot of knock-ons, but Bradford held the ball, and when

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opportunities came, they pounced upon them. They were really

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aggressive and took the game to the Giants, and that surprised them.

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Jarrod Sammut was fantastic, not just his three tries. He was all

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over the place, he is very unpredictable. We talked about

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Gareth Hock being unpredictable, but he is unpredictable in a

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different sense, he kicks, he chips, he is the first person to the

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breakdown, trying things all the time. He's the one player who

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played outside the system on the weekend. Jarrod Sammut's play comes

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off, he looks great. All credit to Bradford, they really came out with

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a great game plan, they took it to the Giants and got their reward in

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the end. Paul Anderson has not been pulling his punches, he saw this

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one coming with their performances. The Giants started their season on

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top form, came away from Saint Helens with a great win, but then

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they have been trailing off. Great defensive display against Wigan,

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but a tough game against Wakefield last week, he said that the better

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team lost. This week, just to reinforce that, they need to get

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back into that up cycle. It is going to be a very big week for the

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Giants, because they have got the champions at Headingley. Wigan had

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a tough trip on Saturday, Castleford was their destination,

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and it was just as tough as you thought it was going to be. It was,

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there have been a couple of scalps already. Leeds have been to

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Castleford and lost, Catalans came away with a draw, so we knew it was

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going to be tough. We scored some nice tries, and by half-time we

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were into a reasonably comfortable lead. We came out in the second

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half a little bit down on energy, some of the plays in the second

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half, a try from Chris Tuson, they I thought Carney was excellent for

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Castleford on the day. This brought them back into it at half-time, but

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we felt as if we were in full control. Jake Webster on the other

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side, they have made some good Some very good signings, with the

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When you have got that type of experience, you come up with what

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Webster has just done. They were very difficult to stop when they

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got on the front foot. Very impressed by Justin Carney, I have

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not seen him live before. When he got this ball and brushed two

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defenders off, he did that several times in the afternoon. We were

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talking about him this morning, saying how physical he was. He

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should not have been able to score that, he twists and turns and gets

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himself over. We are very lucky here, a little bit of fortune when

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it hits the post, but this is what Wigan has been about, finding a way

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A great match-winning try for us. You have got a few players out

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injured, how do you feel it is going? It is going really well.

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Smith is doing exceptionally well, finding the system, maturing into

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the system. We are using a lot of youngsters, which is great for us

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long-term. We are all about trying to get to the finals, and to be

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able to do that you have to have a squad and a group of players that

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you can trust. The only way you can get that is by allowing youngsters

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to play. We are coming up with results which are really important

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for us. There are few things that fans like to see more than a

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homegrown hero leading their team to glory. A vast number of

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graduates, past and present from the Saint Patrick's amateur club,

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and he has risen to the very top of I have always wanted to play for

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Wigan. It is great that I have had the opportunity to play with them.

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The production line at Saint Patrick's is a source of great

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 79 seconds

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All the kids look up to him. It doesn't just stop with the players.

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So many great players. You should have seen him boxing! I have a lot

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of memories from my time here. At Big Bang cue to the club and,

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really. He passed his 300 game marked guiding his new-look team to

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an impressive start. We lost a lot of good players this year. There is

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probably at timing all clubs when you start to lose those players,

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then it is up to the young lads to I think he's doing a great job at

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the moment. He's always doing well in training on the physical side of

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things. He has been put in a really good position. We don't feel like

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we're anywhere near at our best this season. We've had a few wins

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and a draw against Warrington. Rather disappointing to come from

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behind. Both teams could probably go on to win the game but we are

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picking up wins and if we can keep doing that, I think it will be a

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good shout. They're doing fantastic work particularly cross the North

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of England but Sean O'Loughlin is not one of the big characters.

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an unsung hero for you guys? Yes, everyone talks about experience

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being so important. You need to play to have experience at Bath on

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the physical capabilities. He is at the peak of his career and playing

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exceptionally good form for us this year. He is the main leader who

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leads from the front. Sensational yesterday and he has come right the

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way through the system and that's what Wigan has been, as a club for

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a long period of time. Allowing players to mature at the right age,

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give them time to become the top league players that they are.

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was Wakefield's turn to head to the South of France and a Saturday

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night date with Catalan Dragons. This one could have gone either way,

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game. Wakefield went in with a lot of confidence. The game itself was

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even toned. Giving away to Catalan is never easy. Every player will

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always say how to put it. In the middle of winter here, it's quite

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warm over there, and the fact of that makes the situation a bit

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different. It becomes a tough place to play. The environment you're

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playing in is quite volatile, as well. The French fans really get

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behind the team and the atmosphere is very different from Britain.

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0, and then Catalan came back at them. I think so. They went into

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the game with a lot of conference coming of that loss against

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Huddersfield last week. Maybe Catalan took their foot off the

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pedal. But obviously, they are classy. International French

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players as well as a host of good, experienced players from Super

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League and down under. Leon Pryce had a marvellous game as well. They

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will be game out of the bag. Looking at a lot of the games this

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weekend, a lot of teams had to come from behind. He has been a great

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player from them down the years. He's definitely one of the go to

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men and one of those players they have who has matured over the Super

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League years. Everything is created around him and he has the X Factor

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as well. He can go to the line and make the right pass. Scott is back

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with them training. Brilliant news but I hope he's not there this week

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though, because we are playing them. For Wakefield, they played all

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right, didn't they? Yes, they did. They haven't got points from the

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two games because they have performed very well so I think they

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will take that and create momentum going forward. Friday saw St Helens

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take on Leeds in what is always one of the marquee fixtures on the

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Super League calendar. The Rhinos have beaten Saints in four of the

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last six Grand Finals. But their last visit to Langtree Park left

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them with red faces to go with their red hair, after a real horror

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show. I can guarantee we won't try expect on a night like this?

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Gardner! An absolutely prodigious win. John Lomax! Are they are

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celebrating now. This is a tough night for Leeds. St Helens looking

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to shift again. Everybody is on tackles in the bag here, Leeds, so

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it's safe to have a position to be in there. Jones runs it forward and

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St Helens are caught offside. Here is the man who did not go back far

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enough and Kevin Sinfield is selecting to kick for goal here.

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They are going to take the two. Not getting back the full distance

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before he came back out again. Kevin Sinfield to open the scoring

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for Leeds. It should be relatively simple, and it is straightforward.

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Lomax! He has somehow found a way through. There seemed to be enough

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Leeds defenders there to make sure they could score. He put enough

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doubts in enough minds to make sure Peacock, he's having a good start

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to the season, Jamie Peacock. The referee has lost patience and it's

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another penalty for Leeds. Decided there was too much hanging on in

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hold. Kevin Sinfield has again elected to go for two here. This

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will put Leeds level. Slipping away, St Helens, the lead. Two points at

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Sinfield with the dummy. Plenty in support. McGuire. In at the corner.

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Is there a question of a foot in touch? The referee says no and the

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try is given. James Buchanan with the offload. A little dummy making

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it bigger. Soft hands and a very good finisher. It's been a real

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tough game here tonight. It remains just 8-4. Maguire's kick might have

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been taken late there. Was that a knock-on? The referee says play on.

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He's over. There was a little trouble at the end. Offside and

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grounding are the questions. There is no doubt there that they are on

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side. The touch is from McCarthy. The ball went to the ground. So he

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picked it up safely enough. Now, what about the grounding? That

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looks fine. It looks fine. Leeds put daylight between themselves and

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tries to take them on. A little bit of confusion for the St Helens

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defenders. That retreating defence Ryan to score his second. What a

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big, big try that will prove to be. And an excellent team try it was,

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too. In his electrifying bobbing and weaving style. Look how well he

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does here. He proves himself a class act at centre this season and

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a classic finish for Hall. It just gets worse for St Helens. Wheeler

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is injured and looking a little here. Watkins. He does well to keep

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the ball alive. He's going for his hat-trick here. I think the referee

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thinks it was as well, but it's not. Not entirely sure. Well, he has

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lost that ball. It bounces back into his hands but he loses it

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again just for good measure. No try. Easy decision for the video referee

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for Leeds. They go back 12 months to what happened on this ground.

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Leeds got humiliated but now has got ample revenge. Percival. The

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pass away. In at the corner. Too late to really matter. Too late to

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produce much of a celebration. Just a hint of satisfaction from a St

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Helens point of view. Percival showed could composure here. Very

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nearly put the pass behind but he found a bit of space again. Still

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there. He will go. Nelly finishes. Two in a blink of an eye. But again,

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much, much too late to make a difference to the outcome of the

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game. Great footwork by Percival. And again, just causing confusion

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amongst the Leeds defenders but it won't matter. It's an eye-catching

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way for St Helens to finish their night but it will undoubtedly be

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It wasn't one of the classic encounter between them but Leeds

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pretty much set the stall out, didn't they? Yes, they did.

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Following on from the week before, the intensity, it's a mentality

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Leeds like to have. Get in front. Lead from the front and they did

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that all evening. I thought the intensity they played, St Helens

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struggled to match it and they are probably setting the benchmark at

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the moment. Playing extremely well. They seem to be going back down the

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left too. A great combination for them. They are glued together

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really well. He puts up a good show when he gets the ball in his hands.

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I like this man. He's from Down Under. A great turn of pace. Good

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footwork as well. You need someone like that to finish the try off.

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Get it over the try-line every single time. Absolutely brilliant.

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St Helens have some injury problems as well. Nathan Brown, I'm not in

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the camp, but he's brought a different mentality to the players.

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It takes a while to gel. With the injuries he's had as well, it takes

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longer. Nathan Brown is extremely experienced as a coach, and I'm

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sure they will hit some form quickly. Peacock is like a fine

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wine. Yes, he didn't play international last year and had

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time off. He says he is as fresh as he ever has been. Putting you to

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shame, isn't he? So a significant victory for Leeds. Let's see how

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the weekend's results have affected the standings in the Super League

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Join us again next week for the You can catch up on the BBC iPlayer.

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It's been a great effort of matches this weekend. Absolutely wonderful.

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Predictably unpredictable. there a standard one for you,

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Iestyn? Not particularly. Hull against Warrington. Our result was

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pretty good as well. Castleford got back to 22-22. Pretty good for us.

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Highlights from round 5 of the 2013 Super League season. Defending champions Leeds Rhinos travel to St Helens. The two teams have met in four grand finals in recent seasons with Leeds winning on all four occasions. Huddersfield are at home to Bradford, Wigan travel to Castleford and Hull Kingston Rovers have a home game against Warrington.


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