Episode 6 The Clare Balding Show

Hello and welcome to the Clare Balding Show. We have a sofa packed

with the biggest stars in the world and in my case I mean it literally.

He is huge. Whatever you like in sport, we've got it, whether it is

speed, explosive power, or accuracy after extreme pressure. Where else

would you find Formula 1, darts and rugby union all on one show? Joining

me tonight, the boss of the Williams team and the driver whose CV reads

41 podium finishes and 11 victories, it is Claire Williams and Felipe

Massa! A South African rugby legend who represented his country a record

127 times and is widely regarded as one of the best second rowers of all

time, Victor Matfield is here. And I am also joined by the newly crowned

BDO champions, trainer Oliver and Scott Yates. Our first guests are

from Formula 1 royalty, Claire Williams and Felipe Massa!

Thank you for being here. Which glamorous location have you flown in

from, Felipe? I came from Monaco, I live there. Clare, where have you

come from? I came from wanted! I love that. -- Wantage. Your family

background is steeped in racing, was there any other interest, or was it

always cars? Growing up in the Williams household I couldn't avoid

falling in love with Formula 1 but it was never predestined that I

would work in Williams, let alone have the job I have, my dad never

wanted me working at Williams, it was never the case that I would end

up here but I love Formula 1 and cars and I'm pleased to have the job

I have. Were your family into it? That's what I wanted to do my whole

life. A little boy! That was my first race. How did you get on?

Started fifth and finished third. Does that still hurt! It drives you

on, all the time! There, your role is managerial and very much running

the team but have you ever driven competitively? No, people are very

disappointed when I say I've never been in a Formula 1 car but I have

no desire to. I properly shouldn't admit it but I think I should leave

it to the professionals. Imagine how embarrassingly would be if I smashed

up my dad's are! I leave it to the likes of Philly paid -- his car. I'm

not sure you and your son are meant to do this, Felipe, on the roof

terrace! This is an hour terrace in Monaco. -- an hour terrace. I can

just about overtake him. So this is your own furniture you are bringing.

My wife is not very happy -- you are reading. Damon Hill said that you

had to be bonkers to win Formula 1's Drivers' Championship. Do you think

there is an element of truth in that? Maybe a little bit. Does that

mean that Lewis Hamilton is bonkers? Yeah! Honest answer, when they crash

your car, is your first thought, I hope he's all right, or is it, what

has he done to the car, if it isn't a serious accident? They come in

quick succession, you know whether your driver is probably all right if

he comes on the radio and says he is fine and then you think, how much is

that going to cost us. You know everyone at the factory is going to

think brilliant, I can do over time next week. The most important thing

in all seriousness is safety. You had a horrible crash, didn't you

come at the Hungarian Grand Prix. What happened? I was in the

qualifying and I finished my lap, I was coming to the garage and Rubens

was in front and he lost a spring from his car and it was bouncing and

it just came in. So it is bad luck? But also very good luck because I am

here, I would say. APPLAUSE

What injuries did you suffer from that? This bone here broke, so I had

an operation to remove everything from this part here. After that they

had to put in a plate to make it strong like the bone. But I didn't

have any problem inside, you know! That accident was in 2009. The year

before that in 2008 you had won the final race of the season, the

Brazilian Grand Prix, your home Grand Prix and for however many

seconds you were the world champion. It wasn't enough, actually. Not long

enough. Only a few seconds. What happened? Another car was fighting,

he was a little bit too slow and Lewis passed him and he won the

championship. So Lewis Hamilton won the championship? Do you like him?

LAUGHTER I did not like him at that time, for

sure! Not him, I didn't like what happened. He's a very good driver,

so he deserves every championship he has won. For every driver, how many

people do you have in the team making his car go? A tentacle term!

Making it go -- technical term. 550 at Williams. Per driver? For the two

drivers, to get them both on the grid takes 550 people's efforts and

we are by no means the largest team in terms of personnel. Being with

another driver with whom you are competitive is interesting and

Formula 1 has been renowned per driver is not getting along, whether

it is James Hunt and Niki Lauda, or Mark Webber sitting here talking

about his relationship with Sebastian Vettel, and Lewis Hamilton

and Nico Rosberg. How do you manage that and are there drivers you know

you couldn't be a team-mate with because you wouldn't get on?

LAUGHTER I think the most important thing,

you need to be professional. I'm always working well with my

team-mates. But for sure you are very competitive, you want to be in

front and do everything you can to beat him, not just him but all of

the other drivers you are competing with. But in terms of team

management, that has to be one of the toughest things, not just not

standing the sight of each other but actually wanting to kill each other!

Fortunately I have done that haven't had that experience, we are

fortunate that Felipe and Valtteri get along. The Constructors'

Championship is important and it is good for us that they get that. You

need to work on your body language Elizabeth! LAUGHTER

That's pretty good, you should put up a photo of Lewis and Nico. We

have, don't worry. He is talking more now. Williams have won nine

Constructors' Championships now, what do you need to win number ten?

We have to keep working harder and smarter because we don't have the

budget of the teams who can plough in a huge amount of resources, the

likes of Mercedes and Ferrari have but it's three times the size of

ours. They are racing with 300 million a year. If we can't

accumulate that... I'm sorry, what is the prize money for winning the

Grand Prix? It isn't done per race, it is done where you finish in the

championship. What is the prize for winning the constructors? It is kind

of top-secret, Bernie would... Might not kill me, but he wouldn't talk to

me. So it isn't a case of saying we have won this and we can spend this?

50% of our income comes from the prize money and the remaining we

have defined in sponsorship. We are on the eve of the 2016 season, do

you set out with an ambition, order you take it as it comes? We want to

do everything we can to be there in front. It isn't easy but I really

believe we can do better in 2016. Can you be the world champion Raster

Mark yes, for sure. -- the world champion? Yes, for sure. It is time

to introduce our next guest, a South African rugby legend who has

appeared in 127 matches for the Springboks, he has appeared at four

World Cups, winning player of the tournament in 2007 when South Africa

won the trophy. Davies and gentlemen, Victor Matfield. --

ladies and gentlemen. Wow, that has changed the shape on

the sofa! You are very big! How much does size matter in rugby union?

Well, I'm feeling very intimidated sitting next to the great Felipe

Massa here, so I don't know if size really matters but yes, there are

some big boys in the game, especially the younger kids today,

they huge. -- they argued. -- they are huge. That, stand up. I

think it would be difficult for you to race in Formula 1. Do you think I

can play rugby? You can, that's what is about, everyone can play. There

are big guys playing in the second row and there are also small guys.

The scrum-half players are the really small ones. How is your body

holding up because you are recovering from an injury? Yes, I

had a knock last week and I broke my nose and got a bit of concussion. He

has a steel plate in his forehead! You have recovered really well

because if that was only a couple of weeks ago... You have now retired

from international rugby. When you look back at your international

career, the 2007 World Cup win, you were the player of the tournament,

man of the match in the final. You can't get better than that. No, it

was really special. After that I went to Toulon in France to go and

play, make some money in France and after about four months I told my

wife I wanted to go back to sub Africa and win more trophies with

South Africa. -- South Africa. What did she say? She wasn't very happy,

I went back for one third I could have been paid but I am so

competitive and I love Springboks rugby and what it stands for, so I

wanted to go back and do it. So interesting, the World Cup, the

emergence of a country like Japan. I'm sorry, I know. I realise

obviously that they beat you, and it was the biggest shock in World Cup

history ever. But good for the game? Yes... LAUGHTER

A view of our guys play in Japan and they said that they know what they

are doing, coached by Eddie Jones, who knows us very well. It's going

to be a tough game. I was one of the few guys who was thinking, this is

Japan, come on. A bit arrogant but that was our thoughts, they can be

good. They played really well. When we went through the game afterwards,

we didn't play that badly. We did our best, but they played really

well on the day, things worked for them and yes, a very famous game.

So, Eddie Jones, he is now the England coach. What is he like and

is he the right man for England? He was outstanding for us in 2007.

He knows the game. He is a very knowledgeable guy. He is probably

the one guy who can get England back on track again. I don't understand

how Argentina and Uruguay have a rugby team but Brazil do not

feature. We have a team. People like rugby in Brazil. You could start

this! The first Brazilian scrum-half! When pundits and fans

get together to discuss the best team in the world, you are nearly

always on that list. Part of the reason you are playing in a

line-out. It is not just about your height. One of the elements in the

line-outs are the calls. The fact that there is a code. You do not

have to give away anything. Would you choose fruit, vegetables or

politicians? Green backdrop -- In the beginning we used Afrikaans. One

of our coaches went to Ireland and they helped them to speak Afrikaans,

so it did not go well that weekend. Have you ever shouted salsa? If you

do, this is what happens. Salsa!

The other team is going, what are they doing? May we can do the salsa

after New Zealand do the Haka! We can hear everything the teams are

saying to the drivers. Do you ever use cold? We have different codes

for different things. Then we have some really obvious things. Let's

stick to the original plan. Let's go to plan B. Everybody knows what the

original plan is going to be. I will listen to it and sometimes I will

go, what on earth are they talking about, if nobody tells me the code

beforehand. Have you ever misunderstood the cold? No! Have you

ever ignored the cold? Yes! You have now joined Northampton. How

are you enjoying life in the UK? I must say the first few weeks you

just want to get into things, you are very much on the side listening

to how they do things. I have enjoyed the last few weeks. I hope

we can win a trophy this year and hopefully I can play a part. What is

it about British life that you have enjoyed discovering? I am still

waiting for the snow. I would enjoy that. Have you ever seen snow? I

have put my kids have not. Do you spend much time in the UK? Yes. I

like it. I don't like the weather. Do you like the food? Yes, I like...

It depends where I go. Do you give your driver a guide, published to

avoid etc? No. They went on a big pub crawl, Felipe and the engineers.

If you are late you have to pay a fine. If Felipe is five minutes

late, he has to pay 500 quid. They collect this over the year and then

they go out on a massive pub crawl in London. I was taking care of the

guys. They like to drink a lot. It is time to welcome my final guest,

the newly crowned 2016 BDO world darts champions, Trina Gulliver and

Scott waits. -- Scott Waites. With their trophies. Fantastic.

Congratulations both of you. Scott, a second for you, Trina, a 10th.

Extraordinary. Amazing. Have you ever watched darts? I don't watch

but I know what it is. Every time we come to the UK we watch it. We tried

so hard to get to one of the events but unfortunately we could not. I

want to go dance! It is brilliant. I have been. It is mega. I have not

seen Felipe. We are going to go. You now have new fans. Let's look at how

you won your titles. This is you checking out for a 3-2 victory

against Geeta Hedman. Trina Gulliver! There are tears of

joy or player. A champion for a record 10th time.

APPLAUSE. Amazing performance. You were very emotional. I was. I did

not think a 10th was ever going to come. My ninth was in 2011. It has

been five years when I have not done it. Was that because your level was

dropping of the others were becoming better? Both. In 2012 my mum was my

biggest fan. And in 2012 she passed away just before I played at

Lakeside. She said, wherever I am at that point in time you must go and

defend your title. And she said the rest of the family had to go as

well. I honoured that. But it has been difficult. But the standard of

the ladies is higher as well. Was that I am part of the emotion in

winning? Yes. Scott... Boo don't start me off. Scott, your final, in

many ways it was the easiest of the lot. You had some tough battles to

get there but in the final you won 7-1.

He is struggling with shoulder trouble. He is back to full fitness.

He is struggling with shoulder He is back to his best. And he is

world champion once again. Scott Waites wins.

The final did go your way, didn't it? Yes, it did. That is the first

time I have actually seen that. Jeff played well. He played also more

weak and for some reason he did not play as well. In the quarterfinal, I

went to the gym because it is January, and I was on the elliptical

trainer watching the darts and I was watching you. You are down and out.

You started coming back. 40 minutes later I am still there! It was an

amazing match. The crowd were massively behind you. I have never

heard the crowd so loud. It was phenomenal. It was just like a jet

engine. It must've been louder than a Ferrari! Sorry!

When you were winning your first world titles, the TV coverage did

not pay any attention to the women's game. You never got a sense of your

progress. And sometimes the crowd would not all state. Now everybody

is locked in. They are not literally locked in. No, they are unlocked in!

The atmosphere is great. They do stay. We are getting more media

attention for the ladies, which is great. That is a real big step

forward. Are you allowed to talk about how much money you get? No, I

can tell you how much I got. Being British I don't like talking about

money. Scott got ?100,000. I got 12. And that is an improvement. A big

improvement from what it used to be. It is going up. But it is not the

same. We are not asking for the same. We are asking for something

relevant. There are 14 men and 16 ladies. Percentages out. You are now

a full-time darts player. I am but I also keep my hand in with the

carpentry. Just the occasional job. Scott, you were straight back to

work after winning your title. You are a carpenter and joiner by trade.

Yes. I managed to get a day's holiday today. We had Eddie Edwards

on the show. He is a plasterer. I asked him if when he shows up for

jobs people know who he is. Some of them do and some are none the wiser.

Do people know it is you? Definitely. In my van I carry a load

of pictures. I am forever signing autographs. Whether they wanted to

or not! Keep the kids away from the fire. You have grown up around cars

but there is one aspect of driving you struggle with, isn't there? I

cant reverse! I really can't. And I cannot parallel park. I am really

good at driving in a straight line. But yes, so my boyfriend tends to

drive. But thank you for sharing. Do you let your wife drive? No. Never?

She drives, yet, sometimes. -- yes. She was complains because sometimes

she stops and then the traffic lights go green and then she is

stopping and I say go. Then she goes and then we stop again and she is

already thinking and I say, go. So we always... You are so lucky she is

never going to see this programme! Do not drive with Felipe. Have we

been in a car with -- before? Being in a car with a racing driver is an

experience. Brilliant. It was my little brother's christening and his

godfather, an Williams driver was in the car. I went in the car. We were

following mum and dad in the front. The driver put a week on the

accelerator and put his legs out the window and decided to overtake my

parents. I am in the car going, hang on! I thought the whole thing was

wonderful. Racing drivers are a little bonkers. No! I would never do

that. Are you a good driver? I am all right. The trouble is your wife

is going to see this, I suspect. Are you sure you don't want to say

something else? She is a lovely girl. Scott, who do you like to have

there to support you? My girlfriend comes around. She is really

supportive. My old man comes down as well. You will always see him

because he is always wearing the silliest shirt possible. I have won

three finals with him wearing his Mickey Mouse shirt. He doesn't half

Lockette plonker. My wife Sue is there for me. She is a good player

in our own right. She comes on tour a lot with me and plays in a lot of

competitions. Do you play against each other? We have done, yes. She

has beaten me on a couple of occasions. Just the twice. How many

times have you played? 400! We have reached the end of the show. Next

time I will be joined by Jimmy White am a Rachel and Gee Atherton and top

rugby referee Nigel Owens. Thanks to Claire Williams, Felipe Massa,

Victor Maitland, Scott Waites and Trina Gulliver.

Goodbye.