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Tonight on BBC London News: Has the Mayor lost his fight for a new

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airport in the Thames estuary, following recommendations to expand

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Heathrow or Gatwick? It is not going to happen, is it?

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Well, you may be right in your pessimism, I can't rule that out,

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uncharacteristic though it would be. But it is up to us now to make the

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case. We'll talk to the Mayor live and

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look at the Heathrow recommendations in more detail. The latest proposals

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are for a new runway to the north`west of the airport, or an

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extension to the existing runway. But both would have serious

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logistical challenges, not least putting part of the M25 into a

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tunnel. We'll look at what today's report

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will mean for air travel in the south east.

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Plus a round up of the day's other news, including: The trial of two

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men accused of killing Lee Rigby hears the closing statements.

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A very good evening. It was the Mayor's bold vision for the future

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of aviation in the south east. Close down Heathrow, use the land to build

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thousands of much needed houses and create a brand new airport in the

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Thames Estuary. That vision hasn't been totally dismissed today, but it

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certainly doesn't appear to be one of the front runners. In his interim

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report, Sir Howard Davies earmarked Heathrow and Gatwick for possible

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expansion. Boris Johnson's been told his idea isn't off the table

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entirely, and a decision on its viability will be made in the first

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half of next year. We'll hear from the Mayor in a moment, but first,

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here's our Political Correspondent, Karl Mercer.

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He has had the maps out and has drawn up plans. But today it seems

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that Boris Johnson's ambition for an airport in or near the Thames

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estuary is struggling to keep its head above water. But as the mayor

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emerged from a lunch with medical journalist today, he was trying to

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put a positive spin on events. His plans have not reached the short

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list. Instead they will be looked at in more detail before a final

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decision next year. It is a good result. Do you really believe that?

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You have been bombed so far down the running order that it is not going

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to happen. Yellow map the well, you may be right in your pessimism,

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Karl. I can't rule that out, uncharacteristic though it would

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be. You might be right. But it is up to us now to make the case and I do

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think it is a brilliant case. It is a case he has not been shy in

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making. Expansion at Heathrow has been backed by the Davies commission

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today, but it has been the target of the mayor's vitriol for years. If I

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am elect did mayor in May I will campaign against the expansion of

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Heathrow. I want to make one final point which is relevant to this

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area! I will not support, in fact I will oppose a third runway! I would

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like to see all politicians accepting the need for expansion,

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which the madness, and being prepared to back the Airports

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Commission. And the business community needs to be able to get to

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and from global markets. There is an economic argument. The mail will

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continue to lobby for something out East, either in estuary on the Isle

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of Grain, where opinion is split. Most people can't believe they are

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even thinking about it. A hub airport in north Kent will bring

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untold benefits to up to half a million people when it is built in a

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few years' time. The mayor's fallback position was for expansion

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at Stansted, but that was also not on the short list, not something

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that worries the airport. We don't need any infrastructure changes to

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the airport to expand. But Sir Howard Davies highlighted the need

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for rail link improvements to the East in general and Stansted in

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particular. We are also looking at the road network. On the today's

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plans, Gatwick could be in line for a second runway before 2030. It is

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not the option the mayor is yet ready to consider.

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So let's remind ourselves of what's being recommended. Sir Howard Davies

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has told the government he favours three options to increase airport

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capacity. Two of them centre on Heathrow, the third on the idea of a

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second runway at Gatwick. Option one is a third runway at Heathrow to the

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north west of the airport. The second is to extend the length of

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Heathrow's northern runway to enable two independent runways to operate.

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Option three ` a new runway at Gatwick. But today's report puts

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Heathrow expansion back on the agenda. Our Transport Correspondent,

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Tom Edwards, is in Harmondsworth, an area that would be affected. Yes, we

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are in St Mary's church, and Heathrow primary school are getting

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ready for that Carol concert. This church could be demolished if the

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runway here goes ahead. Expansion at Heathrow is an issue that divides

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people here. Two people from West London, and two

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very different views on Heathrow expansion. Hello, can I help? At

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this car company in Isleworth, they employ 50 people and hundreds of

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drivers. They welcome the news that a third runway is now back on the

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table. Businesses will be ecstatic. Heathrow is the goose that laid the

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golden egg for this community. We have 1500 corporate customers. 90%

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of them are here because Heathrow is here. Geraldine Nicholson works at a

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local school. Expansion of the airport would leave her living on

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the edge of a runway. The communities are all linked. We all

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have children who live here who go to the various schools. All of them

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would be affected by noise pollution. You can't be near an

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airport that is going to expand and not be hit by that. Public transport

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will be affected, roads will be affected. It is not just about one

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village and people losing their homes, this is about the entire

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southern part of Hendon borough. `` Hillingdon borough. Harmondsworth

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village is one of those that could the destroyed. St Mary's church, two

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pubs, shops and homes would all go. The village of Sipson down the road,

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mostly now owned by the airport, would survive. The Heathrow control

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tower is a local landmark. Campaigners have already defeated

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one third runway that was planned for these fields here. It would have

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taken out the whole of the village of Sipson. The latest proposals are

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for a new runway to the north`west of the airport, or an extension to

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the existing runway. But both would have serious logistical challenges,

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not least putting part of the M25 into a tunnel. There are also

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recommendations to allow more night flights, and to use both runways at

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the same time if there are delays. It will be continuous and with a

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high standard of pressure. How will you make that pressure effective? By

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public meetings. The style has changed, but the sentiments haven't.

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The debate over expansion of airports in the south`east has been

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going on for generations. This was a commission that looked at it in

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1968. Please understand the disruption that we have all felt in

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terms of having our sleep disrupted. Today, any expansion at Heathrow has

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and will be met with a well orchestrated campaign. There will be

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fury in West London that a third runway is still on the agenda, that

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lots of people will lose their homes and even more will be under a new

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flight path in an area where noise is already a huge problem. I can

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foresee this is the beginning of a major campaign in 2014 to try and

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stop a third runway at Heathrow once again. Many who live here always

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knew that whatever anyone said, expansion would be considered again.

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Now, whatever happens at Heathrow, it will not please everyone.

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Let's speak to Councillor Keith Burrows, from Hillingdon Council.

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What was your reaction today to the idea that this area is under threat?

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We are fiercely disappointed and concerned that the Davies commission

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has put forward two options that will affect the whole of the area.

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They have put Heathrow back on the table. In terms of jobs, you concede

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that Heathrow is important to the area? They say it is important to

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the area and there are jobs, but if Heathrow was not here, there would

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still be the capability to create other jobs anyway. That is a bit of

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a red herring. It is just scaremongering. You have a lot of

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links to this church. What impact would it have if it had to be

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destroyed? If this had to be destroyed, this was where I was

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married in 2000. My daughter was christened here. If it came through

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here, it would have devastation for me personally, but also everyone who

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visits their loved ones in the graveyard. What now from a council

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point of view? The leader of the council always said that we would

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keep a fund available if the runway ever reappeared. As a council, we

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will continue to fight the third runway. We put the residents first

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full up long way to go with this. We can speak to the Mayor Boris

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Johnson, who joins us from City Hall. Good evening, or is it,

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because you have in putting on a brave face today, considering your

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big vision is not on a short list? Well, it is not as gloomy as that.

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If you look at what Sir Howard is proposing, he says he wants to hear

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more about the Isle of Grain site. He cannot yet rule it in or out. He

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cannot compare it with other airports with detailed plans for

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extending their runways. There is now a six`month period in which we

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can make the arguments for the Isle of Grain site. I think they are

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fantastic arguments based on a better environmental outcome, less

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noise pollution and more job creation. And long`term

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competitiveness for the UK economy. There will be an opportunity now to

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look very hard at the proposals coming from Heathrow, both the

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runway ideas you have heard in that report are extremely expensive and

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difficult and involve building these pontoons over the M25 . We hear you,

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but it is not on the short list and Sir Howard Davies did say that due

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to cost and environmental impact, it is not on the short list. But if you

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are so opposed to Heathrow expansion, why not just get behind

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the Gatwick option, which is on the short list? The Gatwick option is

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interesting and certainly less injurious than the Heathrow option,

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but it does not satisfy London and the UK's need for greater

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connectivity. Whatever happens, if you build a second runway at Gatwick

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and you keep Heathrow as it is, the airlines will keep going to

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Heathrow. You will not build up those extra links to the world that

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we need and that so many of your interviewees have talked about

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today. We have a situation now where it is easier to fly to China from

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Helsinki than it is from London, and that is because of the shortage of

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capacity and the lack of a big enough hub airport. The trouble with

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Heathrow is that it is in the wrong place. I do hear you and you have

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been loud and proud about your opposition to Heathrow expansion,

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but you do not want to be remembered as the mayor who could have done

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something to stop Heathrow expansion by backing Gatwick, but you did not

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because you were so distracted tidy idea of Boris Island? Well, we are

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going to fight for the right solution. That is my job. I have to

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stick up for what I think is right for London. I don't think Heathrow

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is the right way. By the way, another issue is that a third runway

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at Heathrow has been suggested many times before. In my view, it is not

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the deliverable. `` it is not deliverable. You said you're going

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to fight it. We have heard from Zac Goldsmith, who said he would force a

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by`election if expansion went ahead, or they would not stand

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again. Words aside, you say you are fighting it but what would you

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actually do if expansion gets the go`ahead? Would you stand down as

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mere? I do not see what that would achieve. `` mayor. My job is

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persuasion. Clearly, what we have to do is win the argument about the

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right way forward. At the moment, a lot of people support the idea of an

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SUV airport, even a lot of people in that part of the country, who see

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the economic benefits that it would bring. Loads people understand the

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advantage you would get from the housing land that you would liberate

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`` liberate at Heathrow. We have the chance to make the case. How would

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you fight it, Boris? In the way that I have been fighting it for the last

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four or five years. Six years, since I have been elected. We have been

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able to stop it so far. And I believe that we have the right set

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of arguments to get a fantastic result for this city. And have you

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told David Cameron your feelings? You can take it from me, unless I

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specifically tell you otherwise, I am in constant contact with members

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of the government. You spoke to him today? I do not believe in

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discussing my private conversations with friends and colleagues. But if

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it has an effect on London? My feelings are well known to you and I

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hope to others. Going down the route of Heathrow, I think it is wrong for

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the city. There are huge numbers of Londoners affected by noise

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pollution and we can sort this out and have a solution that is

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environmentally friendly. Mr Johnson, you have made that point

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and we thank you. Thank you for your time.

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Our political editor has been listening to that and following

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today's developments. He joins us from Westminster. The mayor is

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insisting that his ideas is being considered. But why this looks

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daunting for him is that contained in the detail of this report, Howard

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Davies was part of the way with the mayor. He describes this as an

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imaginative plan. He says that in the end, of all the options, this

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could bring the most benefit in terms of flights and noise. But it

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looks at the moment is to be completely impossible to deliver and

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the ideas are not there. The obstacles to great, says Davies. He

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does not see where the answers are going to come from. A potential cost

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`` of ?110 billion. What would that mean in terms of charges for the

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airline? In terms of Fayers? The impact on the affected area, the

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habitat, where will the compensatory habitat be for the birds in the

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estuary. ``? Will not be a prolonged legal wrangle about that? And

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finally, what do you do about Heathrow and the city of and

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Southend, which Davies predicts would also have to close? Biggest

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social and economic upheaval. The mayor said several times, at least

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we're still in the game and we can still make the case. But I'm not

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sure that he has a role to contribute formally to the enquiry

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because Howard Davies said today that he is not sure that Boris

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Johnson has got any more information on this one. They need to carry out

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an empirical process. And as you entered, the inevitable political

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battles overseas role to come. A number of people saying that this

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might at least persuade the party leaders to come and say before it be

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election where they stand. Zac Goldsmith, one of those opponents of

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expansion, as repeated today that he would trigger a by`election if after

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the next election the Conservatives favoured Heathrow. I've asked him

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today whether, if he was a principled, he should be going into

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this election as an independent, unless the Conservatives rule out in

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their manifesto expansion of Heathrow. I have already said that

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if we have Heathrow expansion in our manifesto, I would not stand as a

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conservative will stop if you ask me to go further, I cannot. There would

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be a clear choice between you, who actively rejects it, and other

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candidates standing and saying that they are going to wait and see. I'll

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understand and I would not agree to be a Conservative MP if there was

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going to be an agreement on Heathrow expansion. But the remains a

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question about how much this will be an election issue in 2015 if the

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three main parties are saying that we need to wait and see. It could

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neutralise this as an electoral issue, which is what David Cameron

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and George Osborne wanted. Tim Donovan, thank you. Coming up

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later, Arsenal's Jack Wilshere is charged by the FA for allegedly

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making an offensive gesture during a Premier League aim.

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`` game. The jury in the trial of two men

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accused of murdering soldierly Rigby in Woolwich in May has heard closing

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speeches. Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale both deny murder.

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Chris Rogers is outside the Old Bailey.

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Proceedings began today with a significant legal decision. The

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judge precisely over this case, Mr Justice Vos need, told the jury that

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they should no longer consider the count of conspiracy to murder a

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police officer. He added that some of the comments made by Michael

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Adebolajo from the witness box, such as being a soldier of Allah, trying

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to justify the killing, should not be considered as a defence to

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murder. The family have been here throughout the trial and they came

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today to hear the summing up. It began with the prosecution, with

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Richard Whitton QC reminding the jury that Islam, one of the world's

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great religions, is not on trial, nor could it be. They then showed

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images of the bloody knives found in Woolwich that date, saying that

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killing to make it political point, to put pressure on the government is

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murder and remains murder whether the government in question is good,

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bad or dreadful. The defence asked the jury question. Do you think that

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this the cruellest, most sadistic, most cowardly killing that has ever

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occurred in our nation's history? It is not. He told the jurors that the

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proper charge would have been treason, terrorism or maybe

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manslaughter. Michael Adebowale has not given evidence in this trial and

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his defence lawyer will sum up tomorrow.

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Jack Wilshere has been charged by the Football Association over an

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alleged gesture at their match with Manchester City last weekend. Sarah

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Orchard is here. Tell us, what happened? Arsenal lost 63 during

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that match. `` 65 and three. We do not have any footage of the gesture

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itself, but it was recorded on video and it has later been picked up by

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the Football Association. It is thought that the gesture was in the

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direction of the Manchester City fans, and the FA now has powers to

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actually charge people retrospectively and Premier League

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matches. Jack Wilshere now has until 6pm tomorrow night to respond to the

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charge. And meanwhile, Chelsea are in action tonight. They are in the

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League Cup quarterfinal, away at Sunderland. It matches between these

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two are having to go by, it will be a cracker. They met in the league

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earlier this once `` this month and that finished 4`3. Josie had been

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unbeaten in the last ten. To keep abreast of that, there is full

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commentary on our local radio stations. `` Chelsea had been.

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House prices in London have increased and 12% over the last year

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according to latest figures from the Office of National Statistics. The

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average cost of a home in the capital is ?437,000. Continuing our

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living in London series, Warren Nettleford reports on how some less

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fashionable bearers are seeing some of the steepest price rises. ``

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'Living in London'. Waltham Forest is one of London's

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poorest boroughs. More than a quarter of jobs here are low

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played. `` low`paid. Traders steadied with shoppers looking for a

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bargain. But if they were looking for a bargain in the housing market,

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it could be in for a shock. This house, three bedrooms, sash windows,

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how much is it worth? It could probably go for ?400,000. Probably

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?350,000. Well. ?525,000? ! Whatever next? Is that too much? Of course it

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is! This is one of London's most of the popular to Dirirsa sold the

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houses are in demand. For many, the area is fast becoming unaffordable.

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This is a ground floor conversion... Even though prices are high, estate

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agents say that there are no shortage of buyers. We have seen an

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increase in prices over the last three years. In the last 12 months,

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prices have increased in some parts by 50%. Applicant levels are very

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high. Open days are receiving between 30 and 40 applicants. Sophie

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lives with her son, Barney, and this is his room. It is also Sophie's

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room. She has the top bunk. They would like to move somewhere bigger

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but the prices mean that is not an option. Walthamstow is a strange

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bubble that has gone crazy. Everybody, apparently, wanted to buy

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in Stoke Newington but they could not afford to Sobiech coming here.

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It does not really help those of us who are already here and looking to

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upsize. `` so they are coming here. Boris Johnson mist is on target for

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house building last year. With the lack of supply, prices look set to

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increase. So for now, Sophie is having to stay put as the housing

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market looks set to move in one direction.

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Time for a look at the weather. By this time tomorrow, it will be

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blowing a gale and adjust our team to track it down. The weather this

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evening, not quite so wild. But there is some rain out there. The

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wind is fairly light, remaining that way overnight. The rain will be

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fairly light, eventually petering out by the end of the night. And as

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the cloud thins, the could be a bit of misting is by dawn. Minimum

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temperatures around five degrees. Tomorrow morning, flattering to

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deceive. Dry, bright, with maybe a sliver of blue. As we move into the

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afternoon, the wind will be freshening and more cloud will be

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arriving across the London area. Even so, it will be miles for the

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time of year. The top temperature tomorrow, 11 degrees. And then, when

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it starts getting dark, the rain will be arriving. By the time the

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rush hour is well on the way, the strong wind will be with us as well.

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You will see bright colours in the rain band. The wind could be gusting

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up to 40 mph, or up to 50 mph south of the Thames. Up to ten millimetres

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of rain generally. Here are and they are, some places could get 15

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million metres of rain. `` here and there. The rain will eventually move

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away tomorrow night, and brighter, colder weather will be with us on

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Thursday. The chance of light rain on Thursday but blue sky. Friday,

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dry and bright for the most part. The next batch of windy weather

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arriving after dark, taking us into the weekend. Sunday will be bright

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and breezy with some scattered showers. It is looking rather

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unsettled but not all the rain will fall during daylight hours. Watch

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out for those gusty winds tomorrow evening.

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Stay in tomorrow evening, I think. Peter, thank you. You can see more

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on the news `` off today's use on our website, and there will be back

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later during the ten o'clock News. From all of the team here, have a

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lovely.

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