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goodbye from me. On BBC One we now join the BBC's news teams

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heading off to the discount stores. Our Business Correspondent

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Tonight on BBC London, Mark Duggan Our Business Corresponden To

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Tonight on BBC London, Mark Duggan was lawfully killed. There were

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angry scenes outside court, and many people we have spoken to in

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Tottenham don't accept the Jews verdict. That cannot actually takes

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away the little faith we had in the system. How can you claim and with

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no gun in his hand? The Met has decided its firearms officers will

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now wear body cameras. We will ask if that is the best way to get more

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Londoners to trust the police. Also tonight, flooding in Surrey as the

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Thames burst its banks. Where would the people affected? It was really

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scary, the water was waist high, as you can see I am wet now. And deep

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underground, London's newest tube station is starting to take shape.

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`` Tube. Good evening. Mark Duggan's death

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sparked the worst rioting in a generation and shone a spotlight on

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how London's police. Rates. Today, as we have been hearing, a jury

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decided that Duggan was lawfully killed when police stopped the

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minicab he was in back in 2011. They also said it was more likely than

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not that he had thrown a gun from the taxi just before he was killed.

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But they said the police haven't done enough to gather intelligence

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before the operation. However, the jury did conclude that the officers

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stopped the minicab in the best way possible to try and avoid killing

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Mark Duggan. Let's start our coverage tonight in Tottenham with

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our special correspondent, Kurt Barling.

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The jury reached its verdict of eight to two that it was a lawful

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killing. Here in Tottenham there has been a lot of confusion about that

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verdict, and also a sense that many people simply don't access did.

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`` don't access it. We came for justice today. We are

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leaving with a great injustice. We are not going to hide, we don't feel

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we've got anything to hide for. The people who do need to hide, they

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know who they are. They cannot believe that this has been the

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outcome. No gun in his hand, and yet he was shot. Murdered. He was

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executed, and we still believe that, and we are going to fight until we

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have no breath in our body for Mark, for his children, and for those

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other deaths in custody that have had nothing. We are not giving up,

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no justice! He had an honest and reasonable

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belief... Assistant commissioner Mark rally

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being heavily shouted down by protesters at the High Court in

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central London. Talking to people in Tottenham tonight, it is hard to

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find anyone who actually agrees with this lawful killing verdict. I feel

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that conclusion is wrong. I mean, no`one can be killed lawfully on the

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road. I mean, it's depends on circumstances sometimes, but I say

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no, I don't buy it. It don't really surprise me. I think the police been

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getting away with a lot of things for so many years. And they should

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do something about it. Mark Duggan was a friend of mine, I have spent

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11 months in prison for the riots, and I will do another 11 months, 11

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years. It was not lawful at all, we know that. I personally believe he

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was set up, and I don't think they have the right to take his life

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away, and yet again the police have got away with something that they

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were wrong for doing. Of course, the jury itself, a jury

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of ten, were a jury of ordinary Londoners. They sat through four

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months of evidence, they listened to the evidence intently, I was in

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court many a day when they had to listen to all sorts of things from

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over 100 witnesses. They have come to what they believe is the

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common`sense conclusion by eight to two that Mark Duggan was lawfully

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kill. I am joined by Ken Hines, on the day after he was shot, Mark

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Duggan, you were here at the police station leading a vigil. Having

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listened to the verdict, knowing the case, are you confused like many

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other people about this verdict? I am beyond confused, I am shocked,

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mystified, horrified that such a verdict could come about. You know,

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it doesn't make sense. Since when can a person not have a gun on him

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and be shot dead and everything be lawful. These were Londoners who

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shot through this, ordinary Londoners who listened intently to

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the evidence. Can they be wrong? What I can go to is that I have read

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the transcript, I spent some time at the inquest. I can only go on what I

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have heard and what I have learned, and I have learned that this was an

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open and shut case of unlawful killing. Don't get me wrong, whether

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Mark had a weapon in the taxi, he did not have that in his hand at the

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time he was shot. He was not posing a threat. What does this tell you

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about the elation shipped between police and young people when they

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are stopped by police? `` the relationship. It is no surprise that

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people run away from the police, because that is something I have

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been fighting for some time so, so what I would say to you is that this

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is just going to put the relationship between young black men

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and the police further back. It will cause me and people like myself to

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do a lot more work to try to bring back some sort of peace and

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harmony. Ten, thank you very much. The IPCC still have to do the

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investigation. For the moment, as you can see in Tottenham, there is

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still a lot of uncertainty and confusion about that verdict.

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Central to the verdict was how much they believed the version of events

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given by the firearms officers involved in the shooting of Mark

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Duggan. In a few months, the Metropolitan Police firearms teams

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will start wearing video cameras to record the actions and use as

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potential evidence. Guy Smith has this report.

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Body cameras were first used in Britain by Devon and Cornwall

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police. Officers routinely given video equipment to gather evidence.

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It can protect them if a complaint is made when attending an incident,

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in this case domestic violence. But the technology can also hold the

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police to account for their actions. Recent high`profile cases,

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like plebgate, have highlighted the potential benefits. And today's

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conclusion on the fatal shooting of Mark Duggan in Tottenham is another

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example. From April, firearms officers with the Met are expected

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to be using them in operations. Peter is a former chief constable

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and head of the now`defunct national police improvement agency. I don't

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think we should be too squeamish about this. This is the application

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of the latest technology into an area of the highest conflict in

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policing. It makes absolute sense for the police to be videoing what

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they are doing. I think you officers will be frightened of it.

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This is a real`life situation in the right of states, where officers are

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routinely armed. A suspect is warned ten times to put his weapon down. ``

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in the United States. He doesn't, and he's fatally wounded. The video

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was later used to clear the officer of any wrongdoing. The video was

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viewed by the prosecuting attorney here, and they were able to see

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first`hand all of the necessary evidence that we needed in order to

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exonerate Brandon as far as any wrongdoing, any criminal wrongdoing.

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Yet back in the UK, Peter Nauru warns about how body cameras may be

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deployed in practice. If the commander was seeing the live feeds

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of a picture from a firearms officer and was then able, effectively, to

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direct the officer to take a shot, that would be taking away from the

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individual accountability of the officer and would change the whole

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firearms, and seem very thematically. This criminologist

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also has reservations. I can see why a camera might be thought of as a

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way to verify events. I can also see that there may be blind spots, there

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may be interpretations, questions about how the data is stored and

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used. I am concerned about mission creep, surveillance creep. Mark

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Duggan's death was highly controversial and led to the most

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violent disturbances in a generation. Recording on camera

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exactly what happened that day in August two years ago may have helped

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explain why armed police felt it necessary to shoot a man dead.

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Well, joining me now is a former senior Scotland Yard commander, Roy

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Ramm, and the MP for Tottenham, David Lammy, in your opinion, as

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someone close to the Duggan family, whose constituency the rights and

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killing took place in, is this verdict the right verdict? We have

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to respect the ten men and women, ordinary Londoners, who looked at

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this case for three months and came to the conclusion they did. But in

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looking at that conclusion, there are answers still that the family

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obviously want. The first thing is that they concluded that the

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investigation into what went up to the stop was not good enough. The

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second thing, that Mark Duggan was unarmed when he was shot. Now, that

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is a huge development, and that is why the Independent Police

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Complaints Commission needs to reopen, continue its case and come

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to a conclusion very, very quickly indeed, because there is dismay,

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shock and deep concern in the broader community tonight. You are

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clear about what the IPCC needs to do in the investigation, do you have

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faith in the IPCC that they can do what is required of them? Look, I

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must have faith in that organisation, but I have expressed

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deep concern about how independent the IPCC are, what the resources

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are, about police investigating themselves, and these concerns have

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actually been echoed by the Home Secretary. So would would be wrong

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to say there is confidence in the Independent Police Complaints

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Commission, there is not, but nevertheless they are looking at

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this, they have been looking at it for two years. They have said they

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are reopening the case tonight. They now need to get to a speedy result,

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because actually the jury has also raise questions, despite coming back

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with the lawful killing verdict. It sounds like you do not have faith in

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the IPCC. Roy Ramm, a sigh of relief at Scotland Yard is tonight, do you

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think? I think Scotland Yard would have wanted a clearer verdict. You

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know, the comments of the jury that they did not think Duggan had a

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weapon in his hand at the time he was shot as obviously left doubts in

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everybody's mind about exactly what went on. But I do think there is a

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sigh of relief insomuch that there is a vindication of the operation.

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There was much that was said about the way the operation was planned,

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and that overall they had belief in the officers' evidence, when he said

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that he felt life was at risk and he had an honest belief at that time. I

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think they will be much relieved. Let me put that to David Lammy, Roy

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Ramm, a senior former commander, saying there is vindication for

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officers denied. You think, in the eyes of the people of Tottenham, it

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is vindication for the actions of the police? The coroner is coming

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back tomorrow morning with further conclusions, so let's see what he

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has got to say. I think vindication is too strong. This jury did raise

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questions about the nature of the investigation, and that needs to be

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on the table, and that is why the IPCC have got much work to do. So of

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course, understandably, there are concerns, because effectively, yes,

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Mark Duggan was shot and killed, but he walked out of that minicab and

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was not carrying a gun. Let me just as Roy Ramm, the police learning

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lessons from previous cases, from this case, we have seen John Charles

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the Menezes, 2005, whenever there is a shooting, the police say they will

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learn lessons, but it seems like nothing is ever being done. Is this

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lip service from Scotland Yard? Let's be clear about the facts here.

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In 2011`12, there were something like 12,000 armed operations across

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the UK. Shots were fired by police in just five of those operations.

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Since 2000 and 72 today, the number of armed operations by police has

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been reduced. `` since 2007 to today. You have police officers in

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incredibly difficult situations, asking people to make split`second

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decisions. If we don't want to be involved... If people don't want to

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put themselves at risk, don't belong to gangs, don't carry firearms and

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don't move in that kind of circle, then he will not be at risk. Thank

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you very much. Still to come before seven, a

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mother's campaign on passports, she says some parents wrongly used of

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abducting their own children at airports.

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People living near rivers in Surrey have spent the day clearing water

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out of their homes, while women and children were evacuated from a

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caravan site in Shepperton. Flood warnings are still in place and

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further rainfall is expected which could cause levels to rise. Tarah

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Welsh is in Chertsey tonight, with the latest on the situation. Tarah.

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This area has been completely underwater all day. The streets, the

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houses and the gardens, and as you can see, lorries are picking up

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people's furniture so it doesn't get damaged. It's too late for some

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people here. This is not a lake but Susie's front garden. This is the

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only way to get in and out of their house. We are side deep in water so

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to get the end of our drive, it was impossible, so it's quite scary for

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something you normally take for granted. The Thames its banks last

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medal was every home on the street is underwater. You can see where it

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is seeping in at floor level here. The water is running through. We are

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just trying to prevent damage. We don't know what's going to come

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tonight. That's what is worrying everyone here, what is next. They

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have clubbed together to hire a digger to make a trench. Staff at

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the local garage are trying to get that of the flood water. They are

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gearing up for more problems. Usually come you can't see the river

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from here because it's just write out where those boats are, but the

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water has completely covered this flood plain and district. It even

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worse at the other end. It is knee deep, and the water is running so

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quickly that it's just not safe to stand in. That's where this site

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is, 25 women and children had to be evacuated from their homes last

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night. It was really scary. The water was waist high, as you can

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see, I'm wet now. Many homes have been left without power and heating

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and the toilets are blocked. People have had to fill their own sandbags

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and haven't had any help. OK, we were here yesterday delivering

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sandbags for them, and again at half six this morning, and we have

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delivered more and more sandbags to them. We have helped many people as

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they possibly can. The council is offering a shelter for people who

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need it, but some are leading to stay in hotels and others are

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staying put, but they all agree it will be sometime life returns to

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normal. Flooding here is affecting travel, particular trains, and

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elsewhere, too. Trains from Paddington are being delayed because

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of flooding in Oxford. There are still several flood warnings across

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the south`east and you can find out about them on the Environment

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Agency's website. It is just started to rain and more rain is expected to

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night which potentially means more misery for people tonight and

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tomorrow morning. OK, thanks very much. A mother from Surrey has

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launched a campaign to force the Home Office to put parent's names on

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children's passports. She claims divorced and unmarried parents have

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been wrongly accused of abducting their own children as the name on

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their children's passports doesn't match theirs. Here's Alex Bushill.

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Valerie Burgess said her family holiday to Ireland was ruined

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because as she is married, she doesn't have the same surname as her

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children. When they return to London, an ordeal Institute at

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border control at Heathrow. Unsettling for me and the children.

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I take the children, he looks at my passport, I'm not expecting

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anything, sees my name is different from the children, they have their

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father 's name, and instead of talking to me about it, turns

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directly to the children and said, who is this lady? At which point,

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they sheepishly said, my mum. Since 1998, children have had to travel

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under their own name on their own passport, and gone with the days of

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the offspring be named on their parents documents, but now this

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housewife wants to change that. It's simple and doesn't require

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legislation. Teresa May needs to agree to change the passports to

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include parents names in the existing passport at the point where

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you apply for your passport, you have the option. And then, you can

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provide the legal documents required and then you don't need to travel

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with them. She is divorced so her children don't have her family name

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and she's as half a million other people could also be affected. She

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says is not acceptable mothers are routinely wrongly accused of

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abducting their own children. In response, no one from the Home

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Office was available for comment. They sent me a statement which said

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border staff have a duty to protect children and may question any

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passenger and will also do so professionally and politely. This

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will not change whether or not parental names are added to

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passports. For mothers like Valerie, it's of little comfort, and she says

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she's been discriminated against simply because she is not married.

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What will be one of London's busiest stations is currently hidden from

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public view by big blue hoardings on Oxford Street. But our Transport

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Correspondent Tom Edwards has been given the chance to see how

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Tottenham Court Road's billion pound transformation is taking shape,

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years before it's fully reopen. Next to centrepoint, Portman Court Road

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station is being rebuilt. And today we were given a glimpse of what it

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will look like. This is an escalator shaft which were connected to the

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Northern line. There will also be a Crossrail interchange here. You will

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be able to cope with the predicted passenger 's growth, up to 200,000

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today. Places like Canary Wharf, big, spacious, lots of capacity,

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lots of space, lots of escalators. This area has changed beyond

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recognition. Shops and the famous story of venue are long gone.

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Demolished to make way for the new station. This was the site three

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years ago. The work is on time and on budget. So says Transport for

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London. Massive amounts of money are being invested in the Tube network

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in part paid for by higher fares. Transport for London claims it has

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had an impact with delays down 53% since 2003. But more huge changes

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are just around the corner. That station will be controlled by London

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Underground staff. 750 job losses are planned and all ticket offices

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will be closed. The result of an RMT union ballot is expected on Friday.

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It has concerns over staffing levels and safety, strikes loom. Weaker

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industrial reaction ahead and it could be a miserable year for Tube

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passengers. I hope not, that's not a matter for me. I want to ensure we

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need to implement the changes, run the place more efficiently,

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continued to drive the amazing improvement we have seen over recent

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years. We can only do that with our staff. While the modernisation of

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the Tube continues, other changes to the underground will be as equally

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challenging. Let's return to the top story and the lawful killing verdict

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on the death of Mark Duggan. There were angry scenes outside court

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earlier when Duggan's supporters shouted down a Metropolitan Police

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officer giving a statement. But we can now talk to Assistant

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Commissioner Mark Rowley. You can see from the reaction outside court

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earlier that trust in a Metropolitan Police is a long way from being

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re`established, two years on from the shooting. There's obviously a

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few people there very angry, very emotional, and given we are talking

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about the death of someone, whatever the circumstances, no death is what

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anybody wants. However dangerous the people we are facing, we set out to

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arrest people and take weapons of them. Obviously people are upset and

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concerned about it. A few people? Is that how big a problem you think

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this is? It's just a few people, is it? I said there were a few people

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outside court. The jury spent several months considering the

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evidence. Not the conjecture and room and things printed and

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hypothesised on the Internet. They consider the evidence and came to

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the conclusion this was a lawful killing. No operation starts with

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the intention of killing anybody and we must be sympathetic towards the

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family. The professionalism of the officers has been supported by the

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jury. There's still a lot of confusion about what happened even

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after today's verdict. Do you feel the conclusion today have helped the

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public to understand what happened and the precious officers were under

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under the day? `` pressures. We are running thousands of firearms

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operations are you several times a day, confronting threats, and be

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fire shots once or twice a year. Those incidents, the massive

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scrutiny. The split`second decisions made by officers in difficult

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situations, the jury analysed those, and concluded Mark Duggan had

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a weapon with him in the car before he was stopped, and when the officer

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decided to fire, that was lawful and reasonable in terms of what he did.

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OK, thank you very much for your time this evening. Now the weather

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with Sara. Though not surprised to hear there's

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more rain on the way. A low pressure system spinning more rain towards

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northern and western parts of the UK. For us, we will have rain in the

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form of showers to come, so this evening and overnight, more rain to

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come and it will be windy. Not a particularly piece of good news. As

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you will see, the showers coming through the night, we could see ten

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or 15 millimetres worth of rain, getting on for more than half an

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inch by tomorrow morning and that's not great news. That, things are

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starting to improve, becoming much more quiet in the coming days.

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Pressure tomorrow, so the showers dying away. In the afternoon,

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sunshine coming through and it will be dry. As we go through the

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afternoon, these temperatures will feel a bit cooler. It also sets the

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trend for the coming days because we have high pressure building towards

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the south of the UK. It's not going to kill off all weather fronts

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towards the weekend because we do have this weather system for late on

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Friday but by the time it gets to us, not too much rain left in that.

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We will have a fairly slow start on Saturday morning with some cloud but

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it will be dry in the afternoon and staying dry for the rest of the

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weekend. A number of flood warnings across the Thames, towards the West.

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Thank you very much. Before we go, a look again at tonight's main news

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headlines. An inquest jury has concluded by a majority of eight to

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two that the fatal police shooting of Mark Duggan in Tottenham in the

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summer of 2011 was lawful. The jurors decided that Mark Duggan did

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have a gun but it was not in his hand when he was shot. Mark Duggan's

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death sparked riots across London which spread to a number of cities

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across England. There were chaotic scenes at the Royal Courts of

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Justice as the decision was read out. More than 100 flood warnings

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are still in place across the country with more heavy rain

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expected this evening. A cyclist died earlier today after falling

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into floodwater just outside Oxford. That's it. The debate about Mark

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Duggan's shooting continues on our radio station. I'll be back later

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during the Ten O'Clock News on BBC One. Goodbye.

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